Re: [Openfontlibrary] Non-Copyleft Openfontlibrary
In a message dated 11/2/2008 10:26:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 01:17 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The single priority I have for openfontlibrary is: Creating a new openfontlibrary without any copyleft fonts. (and banning any new ones from appearing) Initially, Openfontlibrary was created as a place for fonts dedicated to the Public Domain. Things dedicated to the public domain are not copyleft. On the other hand, anyone can take a public domain resource (in the USA) and re-release it under the GPL, even if they are not the creator. That's where the first GNU tar program came from, for example -- by taking pdtar, without consulting the author. Here in Canada there's no such thing as public domain. Maybe it would be better if OFL made it clear which licence was in use for a given font, and let people search and filter by licence? Liam Canada does indeed have a public domain. In fact, there are even Canadian public domain websites... _http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071022-european-copyright-law-used-to- threaten-canadian-public-domain-site.html_ (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071022-european-copyright-law-used-to-threaten-canadian-public-domain-sit e.html) and let people search and filter by licence? That's a fine feature request...However, I still want there to be an open font site without any copyleft fonts, and which encourages people considering releasing their fonts to use alternatives to copyleft. **Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav0001) ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
Re: [Openfontlibrary] Non-Copyleft Openfontlibrary
2008/11/2 Liam R E Quin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Maybe it would be better if OFL In order to defuse confusion between Open Font License and the Open Font Library, I've been promoting OFLB as the acronym for the latter. I hope you'll consider this :-) ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
Re: [Openfontlibrary] Non-Copyleft Openfontlibrary
On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 11:24 +, Dave Crossland wrote: 2008/11/3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: let people search and filter by licence? That's the essence of the compromise I have suggested. That's a fine feature request...However, I still want there to be an open font site without any copyleft fonts, and which encourages people considering releasing their fonts to use alternatives to copyleft. Please consider selling the openfontlibrary.com and .net domains to me andusing a different domain for this. When ccHost v5 documentation is released, you'll be able to set up a similar site fairly easily. I hope we can work together to federate your site and the OFLB, if your site becomes established. Yet again, I strongly hope we can all work together so there is no need to do any of these things...just keep on keeping on, and expose elements as suggested. Jon ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA + Guangzhou + Beijing GLOBAL +1.415.830.3884 CHINA +86.1.360.282.8624 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org IM/skype: kidproto Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
Re: [Openfontlibrary] Non-Copyleft Openfontlibrary
On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 04:32 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/2/2008 10:26:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 01:17 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The single priority I have for openfontlibrary is: Creating a new openfontlibrary without any copyleft fonts. (and banning any new ones from appearing) Initially, Openfontlibrary was created as a place for fonts dedicated to the Public Domain. Things dedicated to the public domain are not copyleft. On the other hand, anyone can take a public domain resource (in the USA) and re-release it under the GPL, even if they are not the creator. That's where the first GNU tar program came from, for example -- by taking pdtar, without consulting the author. Here in Canada there's no such thing as public domain. Maybe it would be better if OFL made it clear which licence was in use for a given font, and let people search and filter by licence? Liam Canada does indeed have a public domain. In fact, there are even Canadian public domain websites... http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071022-european-copyright-law-used-to-threaten-canadian-public-domain-site.html Yes, agree. There is absolutely a canadian public domain...see one of my projects from cc still working on: http://creativecommons.org/projects/pdwiki Also, in any country that doesn't have or has encumbered PD, CC has coming out: http://creativecommons.org/projects/cczero partially driven by pdwiki and other demands. and let people search and filter by licence? That's a fine feature request...However, I still want there to be an open font site without any copyleft fonts, and which encourages people considering releasing their fonts to use alternatives to copyleft. Yes, ccHost allows this. Jon __ Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA + Guangzhou + Beijing GLOBAL +1.415.830.3884 CHINA +86.1.360.282.8624 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org IM/skype: kidproto Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
[Openfontlibrary] Canadian Public Domain
Here in Canada there's no such thing as public domain. http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/5809 Is my recollection that copyright actually expires before US copyright in canada. I seem to remember that they use to be on par, but that the united states increased there copyright length for some disney character. The above link is to a creative commons project aimed at canadian Public Domain ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
Re: [Openfontlibrary] Canadian Public Domain
Yes, that is my project: http://creativecommons.org/projects/pdwiki Jon On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 10:01 -0500, Brendan Ferguson wrote: Here in Canada there's no such thing as public domain. http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/5809 Is my recollection that copyright actually expires before US copyright in canada. I seem to remember that they use to be on par, but that the united states increased there copyright length for some disney character. The above link is to a creative commons project aimed at canadian Public Domain ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA + Guangzhou + Beijing GLOBAL +1.415.830.3884 CHINA +86.1.360.282.8624 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org IM/skype: kidproto Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
Re: [Openfontlibrary] Non-Copyleft Openfontlibrary
2008/11/2 Alexandre Prokoudine [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Fontfreedom wrote: Initially, Openfontlibrary was created as a place for fonts dedicated to the Public Domain. I really don't know what made you jump at this conslusion. When I was pinging rejon three years ago about creating a OCAL like website for fonts, I didn't have PD in mind, neither had rejon from what I remember. This was all about fonts with source code/projects, freely distributable and modifiable. To be fair, the site did say it was about PD fonts for a long time. The OFL code and all the text was copied from OCAL, which is why some people recall PD being a policy - it was inherited from OCAL initially, and has slowly been removed :-) Could we please be happy with PD, OFL and GPL and any other OSI approved license? The OSI approved some licenses the FSF considers non-free, although they are obscure, so it is better than use the FSF as an authority, or to be bipartisan, OSI boolean-AND FSF licenses as policy. ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
Re: [Openfontlibrary] ccHost compression
2008/11/3 Brendan Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: By headers Ed means the first few bytes of the file. So the file command does indeed identify PHP files perfectly: I will take your word on it. I am clearly not up to date on this. Pehraps the file manual will help? :-) $ man file Will it detect a PHP file with a .html file if I have enabled PHP support in .html files? Well, it detects PHP files when renamed as HTML files: $ cp index.php index.html $ file index.html index.html: PHP script text ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
Re: [Openfontlibrary] ccHost compression
2008/11/3 Brendan Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
It sounds like you are describing user security. This is really a server
security issue for me.
Take a PHP file. What headers will it have? NONE!
By headers Ed means the first few bytes of the file. So the file
command does indeed identify PHP files perfectly:
$ file web/www/index.php
web/www/index.php: PHP script text
$ cp web/www/index.{php,rpm}
$ file web/www/index.rpm
web/www/index.rpm: PHP script text
$
So I think we can use this program to reliably detect file types,
whatever extension they may have, and filter them accordingly.
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Re: [Openfontlibrary] ccHost compression
Hi, Just to add a bookend: ccHost ships with two means of filtering files. Both are additive - IOW nothing is allowed until explicitly permitted (I prefer thi, and ccHost is at v5...) The two methods: - clever: getID3 (php file identifying lib). Useless to OFLB ATM as nobody's added and fonts to the library. - less clever: signature recognition (called 'pseudo verify'). Already in place in the current OFLB live site for TTF, OTF, PFA etc (done by the brave souls who set up the site) and perfectly reasonable IMO. It basically does a head command on the file (so more basic than the file command). I tried to co-opt some of the file verification code in the new typeface page (reasoning that the site already knew from info added to the pseudo verify system which types of files belonged to each typeface) but gave up. Instead I just made my own list of file extensions to check against the filename (the 'get you home' solution :-). Cheers, Ben ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
[Openfontlibrary] openfontlibrary.com
http://www.openfontlibrary.com/ :-( ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
Re: [Openfontlibrary] Non-Copyleft Openfontlibrary
Hi, FontFreedom, ... but I really want to have a non-copyleft openfontlibrary. Why? If we are not using copyleft licenses, what are you proposing to use in place? The whole reason for copyright law is to provide legal protections to authors of creative works, is it not? We now have enthusiastic communities of authors who recognize the value of giving back to the community, of sharing and remixing creative works. Licenses like SIL's OFL license for fonts have been designed specifically to help these authors protect their works so that they can do what they really want to do with them -- share them with the community! The right to share a work with others is just as much a legal right as the right to not share a work. The license makes this clear. And, BTW, the original author of a work is, at least under U.S. law as I understand it, free to release his or her work under as many or as few different licenses as s/he wants. So, for example, I could release an original font creation under OFL for the community to use, and still sell it under a commercial license for customers who may want some form of paid support or other service in return for payment. So licenses like the OFL provide clarity in terms of what authors want to allow or disallow. Public Domain on the other hand seems to me very fuzzy and unclear. What legal rights are reserved or not reserved? It's not clear to me. What are the author's wishes? Heck, who even *is* the author of a Public Domain font? Maybe if we knew who the author or authors really are, we would find out that they don't want their fonts under Public Domain once they recognize the advantages and legal protections that copyright law is supposed to provide. I therefore personally think that Public Domain should be discouraged. I certainly would not put anything I created under Public Domain. I would much rather put it under a license that makes it very clear that I want to share my work with the community. - Ed Trager ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
Re: [Openfontlibrary] ccHost compression
Hi, Brendan, The PHP getId3() library is at http://getid3.sourceforge.net/. It might be worth looking into how to expand this library to recognize the TTF and OTF file headers, perhaps? The idea here seems quite similar to what the *Nix file command does. If someone were to look at the *nix file command source code, I bet you could fairly easily find a reference to the magic file header bytes that are used to detect TTF/OTF files and then add this to the getId3() stuff, assuming that getId3() is well-written. - Ed On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Brendan Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you point me to the page for this script? I would like to read more about it. ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
Re: [Openfontlibrary] Canadian Public Domain
On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 10:01 -0500, Brendan Ferguson wrote: Here in Canada there's no such thing as public domain. http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/5809 Hmm, dated 2006 and no comments. Is my recollection that copyright actually expires before US copyright in canada. It depends... In the US, works released in the US before 1923 are out of copyright, as are _some_ works produced more recently, and of course all works released into the public domain. In Canada, in general, it's the lessor of 50 years after publication or 70 years after death, but that's an oversimplification. Strictly speaking my understanding is that in Canada we have no such thing as public domain in the US legal sense. A work is either in copyright, or out of copyright because the rights expired. The copyright holder can of course give people permission, but could also withdraw that permisison. The term public domain is soemtimes used in Canada to refer to the body of works whose copyright has expired, I think. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
Re: [Openfontlibrary] openfontlibrary.com
Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Dave Crossland wrote: http://www.openfontlibrary.com/ *shrugs shoulders* Well, the best of luck to them. Indeed. May the best project win. Or peaceful coexistence ensue. Is the name a problem, project identity-wise? - Rob. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
Re: [Openfontlibrary] Non-Copyleft Openfontlibrary
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 11:33 PM, Ed Trager wrote: The whole reason for copyright law is to provide legal protections to authors of creative works, is it not? It is not. Sure, it's what copyright laws usually pretend to be, but never actually care to become. Alexandre ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
Re: [Openfontlibrary] openfontlibrary.com
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Dave Crossland wrote: http://www.openfontlibrary.com/ *shrugs shoulders* Well, the best of luck to them. Alexandre ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
Re: [Openfontlibrary] openfontlibrary.com
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:02 AM, Rob Myers wrote: Is the name a problem, project identity-wise? I do foresee general confusion, but I won't argue over that till I'm blue in the face. I have better things to do. I just hope that initiator of the second project is a reasonable person who won't put spokes into our wheels just because we are driving copyleft-path way and thus will use these domains only for redirecting to somewhere else :-) Alexandre ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
Re: [Openfontlibrary] ccHost compression
Yes, I think worthy. We have done this for SVG on http://openclipart.org Its for more than just id3 now ;) Should be more like readWriteMetadataWithPHP() ;) Jon On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 16:46 -0500, Ed Trager wrote: Hi, Brendan, The PHP getId3() library is at http://getid3.sourceforge.net/. It might be worth looking into how to expand this library to recognize the TTF and OTF file headers, perhaps? The idea here seems quite similar to what the *Nix file command does. If someone were to look at the *nix file command source code, I bet you could fairly easily find a reference to the magic file header bytes that are used to detect TTF/OTF files and then add this to the getId3() stuff, assuming that getId3() is well-written. - Ed On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Brendan Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you point me to the page for this script? I would like to read more about it. ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA + Guangzhou + Beijing GLOBAL +1.415.830.3884 CHINA +86.1.360.282.8624 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org IM/skype: kidproto Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
