[OpenFontLibrary] [Fwd: [CREATE] Suggested dates for LGM 2009 Montreal]

[Jon Phillips]

Hi all, please see below about possible dates for LGM 2009. Please do
reply to this thread if concerns or high-fives on and/or join the Create
mailing list where we are hammering this all out.

http://create.freedesktop.org

Jon

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> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 17:23:39 -0500
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> Hi all,
> 
> Here are the best possible dates for LGM 2009.
> 
> May 6-7-8-9, 2009.
> 
> LGM would start on Wednesday morning and end on Saturday, end of the
> day! (maybe with a party?!?!)
> 
> Before we make that the official dates, anyone with serious concerns
> about those dates, please speak up asap!
> 
> Side note : we "could" move that from 7-10 including Sunday instead of
> Wednesday. But why not take Sunday to visit... or relax... of have a
> beer on a terrasse!!! :-) Or a poutine! ;-)
> 
> Anyway, you let me know!
> 
> Cheers!!!
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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] [Openfontlibrary] Fonts are software, so use a software license.

[Liam R E Quin]

On Fri, 2008-11-07 at 12:08 +0600, Christopher Fynn wrote:
[...]
> If eligible, might not one want to first publish a font outside the US 
> in a country where the font is protected as an artistic work and as 
> software?

"eligible" will generally mean the creator is a citizen of a non-US
country.  You don't generally get additional protection for publishing
a work in another country.

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[OpenFontLibrary] Font Myths

[Fontfreedom]

>> I don't see any reason typefaces first released in the UK or  Europe
>> would enjoy any copyright protection in the U.S. All  typefaces (not
>> fonts) are automatically and immediately public  domain in the U.S.
>
> Because it seems that under international  copyright conventions
> countries have agreed to respect each others  copyright. So if something
> is created in the UK and copyright there it  should also be copyright in
> the US ~ whether or not a creation of the  same sort created in the US
> would be copyright there. At least this is  how the working of the
> conventions was explained to me.
 
You guys really should see the Font Myths website:
 
 
MYTH # 3 - If Copyright Does Not Provide Font Protection,  Treaties Do So.  
In a font, the name, any programming code not describing the font design (and 
 possibly non-alphanumeric designs that are not common and don't carry  
information) are all that can be copyrighted. This leaves the door open in the  
USA 
to have anyone pay for the output of each character from a typesetter and  
redigitize it or extract the design from a font program (and rename it), easily 
 
duplicating the design. Most foundries have very similar fonts derived from 
work  largely designed by others.  
 


QUESTION As signatories to the Berne Convention,  isn't the USA obliged to 
provide full artistic copyright protection to typefaces  originating in 
countries with design protection? And weren't there recent  "accords" that 
strengthened the treaty?  
 


ANSWER NOPE!  
Other countries' copyright laws do not and never did supercede US laws  
regarding US acts and sales.  
Copyright is highly individualistic from country to country (and is even  
administered differently by each court in the cantons of Switzerland and  
provinces of Italy, for instance) unlike the international monolithic consensus 
 
these other guys would have you believe.  
Because of the strongly held, idiosyncratic beliefs of most nations, there  
was a core set of articles that most countries would subscribe to and there 
were  large numbers of articles that some countries felt were important, where 
others  were adamantly opposed. The only way to do the deal was to get a group 
of  nations to sign on to the "core" copyright treaty and as many of the other  
articles as they would assent to.  
An appropriate analogy might be that of a cafeteria, where each country's  
legislative body picked their own choice of vegetables to go with the basic  
meal.  
The US registered several "reservations" of articles. These were articles  
that they refused to sign on to as part of the treaty. This placed all other  
countries on notice that these rejected articles would not be enforced in the  
US. For the US, the rejection of these areas became law as well as the  
acceptance of other terms. As part of the signing of the treaty, each nation  
agreed 
to respect the "national sovreignty" of other countries in these areas.  
The only way to add articles to a treaty would be by treaty and full approval 
 of the senate.  
Any time a treaty is signed with another country, it must be ratified by the  
Senate. Their debate, passage and any reservations they include in the treaty 
 even supercede any other Federal or State laws in effect. So, there can be 
no  modification of this "higher level of treaty law" without a modification of 
the  terms of the treaty. No "accord" signed by the executive branch of the  
government has any standing to compete with law - especially treaty law!  
The executive branch of the government has no right to go against the direct  
wishes of Congress, regarding a law, duly passed by both houses and signed by 
 the President. This is why the Copyright Office's final regulations so 
closely  mirror the intent of Congress.  
Regardless of what "accords" have been signed by "whomever", the Copyright  
office has coordinated all current law in a publication that they call  
Circular 1 - Copyright Basics as published by the US Copyright Office (I  
believe,free to all upon request.) Page 7 says  
There is no such thing as an 'international copyright' that will  
automatically protect an author's writings throughout the entire world.  

By joining the Berne Convention on March 1, 1989, the United States  gained 
protection for it's authors in all member nations of the Berne Union  with 
which the United States formerly had no copyright relations or had  bilateral 
treaty arrangements. Members of the Berne Union agree to a  certain minimum 
level 
of copyright protection and agree to treat nationals  of other member 
countries like their own nationals for purposes of  copyright. A work first 
published 
in the United States or another Berne  Union country (or first published in a 
non-Berne Union country, follower by  publication within 30 days in a Berne 
Union country) is eligible for  protection in all Berne member co

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OpenFontLibrary Digest, Vol 35, Issue 21

[jeremy schorderet]

SWITZERLAND INPUT

a lawyer teaches copyright at my school (Lausanne, switzerland)
what i heard:

70 years after author's death, the design/piece of art gets into public
domain





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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> >  >Why?
> >  >
> >  >Most developed countries including the US offer copyright protection to
> >  >foreign works under under the Berne Convention since 1989 and the
> >  >Universal Copyright Convention (UCC) since 1955.
> >  >
> >  >The works of an author who is a national or resident of a country that
> >  >is a member of these treaties, works first published in a member
> country
> >  >or published within 30 days of first publication in a Berne Union
> >  >country may claim protection under the treaties.
> >  >
> >  >So if something is copyright in a country where it was first published
> >  >the US should recognize that too if that country is also a member of
> the
> >  >Berne Convention.
>
> > I don't see any reason typefaces first released in the UK or Europe
> > would enjoy any copyright protection in the U.S. All typefaces (not
> > fonts) are automatically and immediately public domain in the U.S.
>
> Because it seems that under international copyright conventions
> countries have agreed to respect each others copyright. So if something
> is created in the UK and copyright there it should also be copyright in
> the US ~ whether or not a creation of the same sort created in the US
> would be copyright there. At least this is how the working of the
> conventions was explained to me.
>
>
> >  From what I've read, the only major country which allows copyright laws
> > to apply to typefaces is the U.K.
>
> Germany
>
>  says:
>
> <<
> Germany
> Typeface designs have been copyrightable as original works of art
> since 1981. The law passed then was not retroactive, however, German
> courts have upheld the intellectual property rights of font designers
> even for earlier cases. In one case the heirs of Paul Bauer (designer of
> Futura) sued the Bauer foundry for arbitrarily discontinuing a portion
> of their royalties, and won.
>
> Since 1981, many (perhaps most) designs have been copyrighted in Germany.
>  >>
>
>
> There is an international treaty on typeface design protection known as
> the Vienna agreement signed by eleven countries. least four countries
> have to ratify before it takes effect France ratified it in 1974 or
> 1975, and Germany in 1981 - not clear how many other countries have done
> this.
>
> [The Vienna Agreement for the Protection of Type Faces and Their
> International Deposit, reprinted in World Intellectual Property
> Organization (WIPO), Records of the Vienna Diplomatic Conference On The
> Protection Of Type Faces 1973 (1980). See also Andraee Fran(con, The
> Vienna Agreement for the Protection of Type Faces and their
> International Deposit, Copyright , May, 1976, at 129.]
>
> According to http://www.tjc.com/copyright/typeface.html (FN FN186):
> Typefaces are protected under the Italian Design Law of 1940, noted in
> J.H. Reichman, Design Protection in Domestic and Foreign Copyright Law:
>  From the Berne Revision of 1948 to the Copyright Act of 1976, 1983 Duke
> L.J. 1143, 1243 n.525 (1983)
>
>
>
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> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:14:23 +
> From: "Dave Crossland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Font, design copyrights
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> 2008/11/7 Christopher Fynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >> I don't see any reason typefaces first released in the UK or Europe
> >> would enjoy any copyright protection in the U.S. All typefaces (not
> >> fonts) are automatically and immediately public domain in the U.S.
> >
> > Because it seems that under international copyright conventions
> > countries have agreed to res

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Font, design copyrights

[Dave Crossland]

2008/11/7 Christopher Fynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> I don't see any reason typefaces first released in the UK or Europe
>> would enjoy any copyright protection in the U.S. All typefaces (not
>> fonts) are automatically and immediately public domain in the U.S.
>
> Because it seems that under international copyright conventions
> countries have agreed to respect each others copyright. So if something
> is created in the UK and copyright there it should also be copyright in
> the US ~ whether or not a creation of the same sort created in the US
> would be copyright there. At least this is how the working of the
> conventions was explained to me.

This makes sense to me.


Please improve :-)

>Germany ... France ... Italy

After knowing which countries have typeface design copyright, the next
fact to establish is the length in time for each country. That's the
really important information, I think.

Best
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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Font, design copyrights

[Christopher Fynn]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>  >Why?
>  >
>  >Most developed countries including the US offer copyright protection to
>  >foreign works under under the Berne Convention since 1989 and the
>  >Universal Copyright Convention (UCC) since 1955.
>  >
>  >The works of an author who is a national or resident of a country that
>  >is a member of these treaties, works first published in a member country
>  >or published within 30 days of first publication in a Berne Union
>  >country may claim protection under the treaties.
>  >
>  >So if something is copyright in a country where it was first published
>  >the US should recognize that too if that country is also a member of the
>  >Berne Convention.

> I don't see any reason typefaces first released in the UK or Europe 
> would enjoy any copyright protection in the U.S. All typefaces (not 
> fonts) are automatically and immediately public domain in the U.S.

Because it seems that under international copyright conventions 
countries have agreed to respect each others copyright. So if something 
is created in the UK and copyright there it should also be copyright in 
the US ~ whether or not a creation of the same sort created in the US 
would be copyright there. At least this is how the working of the 
conventions was explained to me.


>  From what I've read, the only major country which allows copyright laws 
> to apply to typefaces is the U.K.

Germany

 says:

<<
Germany
 Typeface designs have been copyrightable as original works of art 
since 1981. The law passed then was not retroactive, however, German 
courts have upheld the intellectual property rights of font designers 
even for earlier cases. In one case the heirs of Paul Bauer (designer of 
Futura) sued the Bauer foundry for arbitrarily discontinuing a portion 
of their royalties, and won.

Since 1981, many (perhaps most) designs have been copyrighted in Germany.
 >>


There is an international treaty on typeface design protection known as 
the Vienna agreement signed by eleven countries. least four countries 
have to ratify before it takes effect France ratified it in 1974 or 
1975, and Germany in 1981 - not clear how many other countries have done 
this.

[The Vienna Agreement for the Protection of Type Faces and Their 
International Deposit, reprinted in World Intellectual Property 
Organization (WIPO), Records of the Vienna Diplomatic Conference On The 
Protection Of Type Faces 1973 (1980). See also Andraee Fran(con, The 
Vienna Agreement for the Protection of Type Faces and their 
International Deposit, Copyright , May, 1976, at 129.]

According to http://www.tjc.com/copyright/typeface.html (FN FN186):
Typefaces are protected under the Italian Design Law of 1940, noted in 
J.H. Reichman, Design Protection in Domestic and Foreign Copyright Law: 
 From the Berne Revision of 1948 to the Copyright Act of 1976, 1983 Duke 
L.J. 1143, 1243 n.525 (1983)

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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] [Openfontlibrary] [Fwd: Re: "Fonts are protected are artistic works in the UK"]

[Dave Crossland]

2008/11/7 Christopher Fynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> As for copyright on font programs, the code of the font is copyrighted
>> the same as any other program. A font program will have the same
>> copyright term as any other program AFAIK. And a software licence can
>> be applied to it.
>
> But, according to , "typeface"
> refers to metal type - but  digital type is indeed an "artistic work".

That URL says,

"Protection for typefaces as artistic works under English copyright
law lasts for 25 years from the end of the year which they are first
marketed."
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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] [Openfontlibrary] [Fwd: Re: "Fonts are protected are artistic works in the UK"]

[Christopher Fynn]

Rob Myers wrote:

> But see here:

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyrights#Typefaces

> "England recognized copyright in typeface at least as early as
> 1916.[14] The current United Kingdom copyright statute, enacted in
> 1989, expressly refers to copyrights in typeface designs.[15] The
> British law also applies to designs produced before 1989."

> The part of the act that deals with the artistic design of typefaces is here:

> http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/plain/ukpga_19880048_en_content.htm#pt1-ch3-pb7

> This does indeed mention 25 years.

> As for copyright on font programs, the code of the font is copyrighted
> the same as any other program. A font program will have the same
> copyright term as any other program AFAIK. And a software licence can
> be applied to it.

But, according to , "typeface" 
refers to metal type - but  digital type is indeed an "artistic work".

- Chris

> This is a separate issue from copyright on the underlying typeface
> design. Most resources will talk about typeface designs when they
> actually mean font programs, and it's important to recognize when they
> are doing this.
> 
> - Rob.
> 
> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Christopher Fynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Dave Crossland wrote:
>>  > 2008/11/7 Christopher Fynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>  >> From: 
>>  >
>>  >
>> http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/plain/ukpga_19880048_en_2#pt1-ch1-pb4
>>  > is the actual law, and confirms this copyright lasts for 25 years.
>>  >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> But if a font is an "artistic work" then the link you gave says:
>>
>> <<"copyright in a literary, dramatic, musical or artistic work expires
>> at the end of the period of 50 years from the end of the calendar year
>> in which the author dies, subject to the following provisions of this
>> section.">>
>>
>> and
>>
>> <<"(3) If the work is computer-generated neither of the above provisions
>> applies and copyright expires at the end of the period of 50 years from
>> the end of the calendar year in which the work was made. ">>
>>
>> Both sections say 50 years not 25
>>
>>
>> The following, which does mention 25 years, does not apply to a font as
>> such:
>>
>> <<"
>> Duration of copyright in typographical arrangement of published editions
>>
>> Copyright in the typographical arrangement of a published edition
>> expires at the end of the period of 25 years from the end of the
>> calendar year in which the edition was first published.">>
>>
>> That is for new typeset editions of otherwise out of copyright books.
>>
>> 
>>
>> - C
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[OpenFontLibrary] Font, design copyrights

[Fontfreedom]

>Why?
>
>Most developed countries including the US offer  copyright protection to 
>foreign works under under the Berne Convention  since 1989 and the 
>Universal Copyright Convention (UCC) since  1955.
>
>The works of an author who is a national or resident of a  country that 
>is a member of these treaties, works first published in a  member country 
>or published within 30 days of first publication in a  Berne Union 
>country may claim protection under the  treaties.
>
>So if something is copyright in a country where it was  first published 
>the US should recognize that too if that country is also  a member of the 
>Berne Convention.
 
I don't see any reason typefaces first released in the UK or Europe would  
enjoy any copyright protection in the U.S. All typefaces (not fonts) are  
automatically and immediately public domain in the U.S.
>From what I've read, the only major country which allows copyright  laws to 
apply to typefaces is the U.K.
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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] [Openfontlibrary] [Fwd: Re: "Fonts are protected are artistic works in the UK"]

[Dave Crossland]

2008/11/7 Rob Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Please can we have reply-to-list as the default.

Done!
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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] [Openfontlibrary] [Fwd: Re: "Fonts are protected are artistic works in the UK"]

[Dave Crossland]

2008/11/7 Rob Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I am now totally confused by that section. What is an "article" in
> this context? :-)

I think its bits of lead rather than "text of a short document" :-)
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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] [Openfontlibrary] [Fwd: Re: "Fonts are protected are artistic works in the UK"]

[Rob Myers]

I am now totally confused by that section. What is an "article" in
this context? :-)

On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> "For further information and legal advice on copyright protection of
> typefaces and fonts, contact our lawyers online or call us on 020 7353
> 2732."
>
> I just did that, and they'll call me back next week.

Make sure they do distinguish carefully between underlying typographic
designs and their representation in font software in any discussion.

- Rob.
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Re: [Openfontlibrary] [Fwd: Re: "Fonts are protected are artistic works in the UK"]

[Dave Crossland]

2008/11/7 Rob Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/plain/ukpga_19880048_en_content.htm#pt1-ch3-pb7

AHA! I thought I wasn't mistaken, but, well, it has been known :-D

> This does mention 25 years. But only in the context of marketing materials.

Er, hang on.

"(1) This section applies to the copyright in an artistic work
consisting of the design of a typeface where articles specifically
designed or adapted for producing material in that typeface have been
marketed by or with the licence of the copyright owner.

(2) After the period of 25 years from the end of the calendar year in
which the first such articles are marketed, the work may be copied by
making further such articles, or doing anything for the purpose of
making such articles, and anything may be done in relation to articles
so made, without infringing copyright in the work. "

This seems to say to me, "copyright applies to the design of a
typeface as an artistic WORK (life+70...) and then ARTICLES (bits of
lead) are made for printing in that typeface, under licence of the
artistic copyright (life+70) owner. But! 25 years after the ARTICLES
are put on sale, the ARTWORK may be copied by making further such BITS
OF LEAD or doing anything for the purpose of making such articles, and
anything may be done in relation to articles so made, WITHOUT
infringing (life+70) copyright in the ARTWORK."

Which is to say, the Lord giveth, and He taketh away. Haha! :-)

"For further information and legal advice on copyright protection of
typefaces and fonts, contact our lawyers online or call us on 020 7353
2732."

I just did that, and they'll call me back next week.
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Re: [Openfontlibrary] [Fwd: Re: "Fonts are protected are artistic works in the UK"]

[Rob Myers]

(Accidentally sent off-list. Merged with a follow-up also accidentally
sent off list. Please can we have reply-to-list as the default.)

IANAL, TINLA.

The "typographic arrangement of a work" is the layout of a book, not
the design of a typeface. It is this that has a term of 25 years.

I assume the rationale is that it is an incentive/protection for
publishers who invest in nice design for books despite the underlying
texts being public domain or by authors who might switch to a
different publisher.

But see here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyrights#Typefaces

"England recognized copyright in typeface at least as early as
1916.[14] The current United Kingdom copyright statute, enacted in
1989, expressly refers to copyrights in typeface designs.[15] The
British law also applies to designs produced before 1989."

The part of the act that deals with the artistic design of typefaces is here:

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/plain/ukpga_19880048_en_content.htm#pt1-ch3-pb7

This does mention 25 years. But only in the context of marketing materials.

As for copyright on font programs, the code of the font is copyrighted
the same as any other program. A font program will have the same
copyright term as any other program AFAIK. And a software licence can
be applied to it.

This is a separate issue from copyright on the underlying typeface
design. Most resources will talk about typeface designs when they
actually mean font programs, and it's important to recognize when they
are doing this.

- Rob.
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Re: [Openfontlibrary] design service

[Dave Crossland]

2008/11/6 minombresbond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> El Wed, 5 Nov 2008 23:33:02 +
> "Dave Crossland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:
>
>> Here in the UK there is a 25 year copyright on them. Maybe in Germany
>> and other places too.
>
> that registration process is like a registration of song, art,
> literature etc.?

No registration required, its the run of the mill automatic copyright.

> the copyrigth is for the artwork presented, for the glyphs
> like-a-form? Have the designers used the registry? is practical?
> can I register my bookman revival glyps like a original work?

The EU design right registration is the only registration process that
seems to matter; Microsoft tried to register a copy of Frutiger and
Linotype objected and MS was refused, so it seems you can't register a
revival, no.
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Re: [Openfontlibrary] design service

[Dave Crossland]

2008/11/6 Liam R E Quin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>> Publish all 200 Mbytes on wiki? :-)
>
> I'm already hosting gigabytes of images on www.fromoldbooks.org...

I recommend contributing to Liam's site, but I note that
www.dreamhost.com sells a lot of non-low-latency bandwidth *very*
cheap  :-)
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Re: [Openfontlibrary] design service

[Dave Crossland]

2008/11/6 Karl Berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 'patented typeface' are few exceptional cases
>
> Yes, it is exceptional.
>
> (is there any?)
>
> Yes.  Lucida is one.

That has expired, I believe.
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Re: [Openfontlibrary] design service

[Dave Crossland]

2008/11/6 Olivier BERTEN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Answering to my self since I can't figure out how to create an account on
> the wiki...

There is a note about this at the top of the main page; due to spam,
please login as "username" with password "password" to then create an
account :-)
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Re: [Openfontlibrary] [Fwd: Re: "Fonts are protected are artistic works in the UK"]

[Dave Crossland]

2008/11/7 Christopher Fynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/plain/ukpga_19880048_en_2#pt1-ch1-pb4
>>  is the actual law, and confirms this copyright lasts for 25 years.
>
> But if a font is an "artistic work" then the link you gave says:
> Both sections say 50 years not 25

That law is changed by
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si1995/Uksi_19953297_en_3.htm#mdiv5 which
ups it to 70-from-death for artworks and 50 for computer generated
works.

> The following, which does mention 25 years, does not apply to a font as
> such:
>
> Duration of copyright in typographical arrangement of published editions

I was mistaken! Oops. :-)

I've updated http://openfontlibrary.org/wiki/Font_design accordingly
and created http://openfontlibrary.org/wiki/Public_domain to which I
hope other will add :-)
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[Openfontlibrary] [Fwd: Re: "Fonts are protected are artistic works in the UK"]

[Christopher Fynn]

Dave Crossland wrote:
 > 2008/11/7 Christopher Fynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
 >> From: 
 >
 > 
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/plain/ukpga_19880048_en_2#pt1-ch1-pb4
 > is the actual law, and confirms this copyright lasts for 25 years.
 >




But if a font is an "artistic work" then the link you gave says:

<<"copyright in a literary, dramatic, musical or artistic work expires
at the end of the period of 50 years from the end of the calendar year
in which the author dies, subject to the following provisions of this
section.">>

and

<<"(3) If the work is computer-generated neither of the above provisions
applies and copyright expires at the end of the period of 50 years from
the end of the calendar year in which the work was made. ">>

Both sections say 50 years not 25


The following, which does mention 25 years, does not apply to a font as 
such:

<<"
Duration of copyright in typographical arrangement of published editions

Copyright in the typographical arrangement of a published edition
expires at the end of the period of 25 years from the end of the
calendar year in which the edition was first published.">>

That is for new typeset editions of otherwise out of copyright books.

 also says a digital font is
counted as an "artisic work" not a "typeface".

- C

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Re: [Openfontlibrary] "Fonts are protected are artistic works in the UK"

[Dave Crossland]

2008/11/7 Christopher Fynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> From: 

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/plain/ukpga_19880048_en_2#pt1-ch1-pb4
is the actual law, and confirms this copyright lasts for 25 years.
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