Re: [OpenFontLibrary] @font face: when
Ie has supported it for 10 years, and a gpl eot converter is in the works. I expect ff and opera to ship within 6 months. Regards, Dave On 6 Jun 2009, 2:40 AM, Chris Hills c...@chaz6.com wrote: On 06/06/09 01:28, fontfree...@aol.com wrote: 99% by the end of the year seems a tad optimistic,... I have tested it in Arora (Qt 4.5) and Midori (WebKitGtk 1.1.8) and both work, so Safari is not the only browser. I suspect it is also supported in Konqueror (KHTML) - and a quick Google seems to confirm that it does. These are released software, not betas. I've made sure I have the newest Firefox today -- still no @font-face support. It should be supported in the 3.6a1pre nightlies, and it is working in the current Opera 10 beta (however, it still does not support SVG fonts). Any idea when Firefox / MSIE / Google Chrome / Opera / etc will start supporting @font-face? ... Whenever the next major version of Firefox after 3.5 is released, and whenever Opera 10 final is released. I can not tell you when that will be. Regards, Chris Hills
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] theleagueofmoveabletype.com is switching to the Open Font License
2009/6/5 ricardo lafuente boll...@sollec.org: i'd say we could pitch this to most designers who release freeware fonts. I spent a few days doing this about a year and a half ago; most emails attached to freeware fonts are now stale, and none of the freeware font authors I reached were interested in the OFL. some might look at it the right way if the arguments for open-ness are well-articulated enough. Well yes, perhaps I'd be better at it a year and a half later :-) which reminds me, it would be nice to have a document with a good set of arguments clearing out that the OFL doesn't mean people will be able to 'steal' your stuff any more than a proprietary license (it will actually make you more friends :) As NS already mentioned, he and I and Ed (and others, I forget) worked on a ODT/PDF Go For OFL! letter which got permission from various orgs to use their logo to lend credibility to the letter. if anyone's also up for it, i'd be interested in group-drafting a FAQ of sorts for designers who might be reluctant to step towards libre licensing of their work, clearing up common misunderstandings and allaying some fears they might have regarding that. Jump into the wiki :-) do you think building up this kind of traditional-designer-oriented argumentary makes sense? Totally :-) quick list of designers that could later be approached: * Jos Buivenga from exljbris (who releases some fonts as freeware as a marketing device for selling extended families) * Manfred Klein I didn't speak to either of these guys. * Ray Larabie (the 'free font' legend, maybe he can be convinced to OFL some of his older creations?) I spoke to him; not interested, but kindly explained at length why. * LettError (did some funky font experiments, again could be convinced to OFL some older stuff) Erik is on this list; I doubt he would OFL anything, but, I suppose the free beer fonts on the letterror site might have a better chance. * Hoefler and Frere-Jones (this could be a long shot, but they've built such a huge collection of work that their older stuff could also be opened up) They don't even allow embedding outlines in PDFs so, er, good luck :-) * House Industries (same as previous) * Underware (even a longer shot, but who knows what experiments they might have hidden in their drawers) I've asked some famous type designers about if they have a secret stash of half made type designs in the course of writing a yet to be published essay, and indeed some do. However, given that the purpose of this is to have half-formed projects that can be tailored to suit an incoming brief faster than the competition, I don't see why they would want to publish these things. I also think that they will believe they would lose some reputation for publishing half-done stuff. i'll shut up for now. Again, most are long shots, but if even one designer would consider it, that would be good enough. I would emphasise that stepping towards the traditional type designer world would be, IMHO, a good if not necessary strategic move for the OFLB and OFL awareness in general. I think I've reached a conclusion about this. Existing type designers want to know how they can get paid for doing type design for a living if they respect users' freedom. And they don't want to know how a couple can work for me, they want to know how all of the existing ones can flip their business around and earn they same kind of money. And the answer is, they can't, and so, they are not interested. The key word there is, existing :-)
[OpenFontLibrary] More about @font-face
Ie has supported it for 10 years, and a gpl eot converter is in the works. I expect ff and opera to ship within 6 months. @font face does not work with IE...What do you mean supported it? Is there a 3rd party downloadable plugin somewhere so it will work? @font face does not work with MSIE 6 or MSIE 7 or MSIE 8. Maybe it will be in MSIE 9? I have tested it in Arora (Qt 4.5) and Midori (WebKitGtk 1.1.8)... I've never heard of these browsers...They do not appear on the lists of popular browsers. Great that they work though. I suspect it is also supported in Konqueror (KHTML) Last year, that browser had 0.01% of the market. Now, it has lost ground...less than 0.01%. _http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=0qptimeframe=Mqpsp=124_ (http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=0qptimeframe=Mqpsp=124) Since it does work with Safari the Mac is popular in the design community, maybe some Mac web designers creating Apple oriented sites will start using it. A problem is: Even when a released browser does start supporting a new feature, many people use older browser versions. For the current May/June 2009, the top three browsers are: _http://marketshare.hitslink.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=2_ (http://marketshare.hitslink.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=2) #1 MSIE 7 (40%) #2 Firefox 3.0 (20%) #3 MSIE 6 (16%) MSIE 6 is something many web designers are still told sites MUST work perfectly with. FF **Stay connected and tighten your budget with a great mobile device for under $50. Take a Peek! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100122638x1221845911x1201401556/aol?redir=http://www.getpeek.com/aol)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] More about @font-face
2009/6/6 fontfree...@aol.com: Ie has supported it for 10 years, and a gpl eot converter is in the works. I expect ff and opera to ship within 6 months. @font face does not work with IE... Yes it does. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms533034.aspx What do you mean supported it? Since IE4, IE has supporting CSS @font-face, but only for one font format, EOT. It is possible to generate EOT files with no restrictions so that they can be downloaded from any site and uploaded to any site and will only be shown in IE. I've never heard of these browsers...They do not appear on the lists of popular browsers. Great that they work though. They are all WebKit based - same as Safari, and Google Chrome.
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] More about @font-face
fontfree...@aol.com wrote:
@font face does not work with IE...What do you mean supported it? Is
there a 3rd party downloadable plugin somewhere so it will work? @font
face does not work with MSIE 6 or MSIE 7 or MSIE 8. Maybe it will be in
MSIE 9?
Of course it does, but only with EOT format fonts. Does W3C mandate a
particular font format in that part of the CSS spec? In fact wasn't it
someone from Microsoft who originally proposed @font-face embedding that
was first included in the CSS 1.5 draft spec?
!--[if IE]
style type=text/css
@font-face {
font-family: OFLFreeFont;
font-style: normal;
font-weight: normal;
src: url(fon ts/OFLFreeFont.eot);
}
/style
![endif]--
!--[if !IE]--
style type=text/css
@font-face {
font-family: OFLFreeFont;
font-style: normal;
font-weight: normal;
src: url(fonts/OFLFreeFont.ttf);
}
/style
!--![endif]--
- C
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] More about @font-face
fontfree...@aol.com wrote:
@font face does not work with IE...What do you mean supported it? Is
there a 3rd party downloadable plugin somewhere so it will work? @font
face does not work with MSIE 6 or MSIE 7 or MSIE 8. Maybe it will be in
MSIE 9?
Of course it does, but only with EOT format fonts. Does W3C mandate a
particular font format in that part of the CSS spec? In fact wasn't it
someone from Microsoft who originally proposed @font-face embedding that
was first included in the CSS 1.5 draft spec?
!--[if IE]
style type=text/css
@font-face {
font-family: OFLFreeFont;
font-style: normal;
font-weight: normal;
src: url(fonts/OFLFreeFont.eot);
}
/style
![endif]--
!--[if !IE]--
style type=text/css
@font-face {
font-family: OFLFreeFont;
font-style: normal;
font-weight: normal;
src: url(fonts/OFLFreeFont.ttf);
}
/style
!--![endif]--
- C
