Re: [OpenFontLibrary] press for oflb?

2012-07-12 Thread Jon Phillips
Great! Thanks Phil! Who else can help spread the word? Dust off those blogs
and let the world know about our project!

Jon

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Philipp Kammerer phil...@p3k-design.dewrote:

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 Jon Phillips wrote:
  Hi, can some people on this list help by blogging about open font
  library 0.5 and spreading the news?

 Certainly. I posted about OFLB on D* yesterday. You can find the entry
 among my other posts:

 https://wk3.org/u/p3kdesign


 The direct link: https://wk3.org/posts/389037
 But the post-view is sometimes buggy and might not look too nice.


 Have a nice day,

 Phil
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[OpenFontLibrary] press for oflb?

2012-07-11 Thread Jon Phillips
Hi, can some people on this list help by blogging about open font library
0.5 and spreading the news? We can do dev all day until we are blue in the
face, but who cares if no one knows about the work. If anyone on this list
with a blog or access to some twitter or facebook or identi.ca can help,
would appreciate promoting the release:

Here is our blog post about the release:

http://fabricatorz.com/2012/07/open-font-library-release-0-5

Who else can help blog and spread the word about this?

https://twitter.com/openfontlibrary/status/222411763868639232

https://twitter.com/openfontlibrary/status/222503545243570177

Geez, we only have 52 followers on twitter. Maybe no one cares about this
project? Is that possible?

Also, if you guys have not seen, http://freebassel.org. Bassel, the
inventor of Aiki Framework has been detained in Syria for  4 months
without a reason! We need to fight hard to get him out, get more publicity
for the project and grow!

Cheerz

Jon

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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Fwd: [Press] PRESS RELEASE: Open Font Library Release 0.5: Calling All Translators and Typophiles

2012-07-09 Thread Jon Phillips
0.6, good question :)

We need more users of the fonts, more social features and more outward
facing stuff IMO. More translations will help, but also think if we can see
more developers using the fonts, we are going to be in an even better
position.

We should circle back and update the launchpad. Also, any bugs found,
please file everyone!

I love releases!!!

Jon

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 4:44 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote:

 Thanks Jon!

 What do you suggest we do for 0.6?




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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFLB 0.5 Goals

2012-05-01 Thread Jon Phillips
It would be great to have your help. More coming soon. Are you on the
launchpad for the site?

http://launchpad.net/openfontlibrary

Jon

On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org wrote:
 On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 10:07:52PM -0700, Dave Crossland wrote:
 2. Ellen is a web user in Spain who wants to translate 100% of the
 Open Font Library into Spanish. She visits the site and sees a clear
 invitation to start contribution translations. She is taken to a
 guidebook page that explains the process, and she follows the
 instructions. In the 0.6 release 100% of the site is translated into
 Spanish thanks to Ellen, and she is clearly credited on the site and
 in the Press Release/Announcement information.

 I'd be interested in testing this, specially for right to left support,
 in case you want any testers.

 Regards,
  Khaled



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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFLB 0.5 Goals

2012-04-29 Thread Jon Phillips
Dreams can come true! Thanks Dave for continuing to work with us. And,
look forward to the momentum continuing this month.

Jon

On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote:
 Hi!

 Here are the 5 goals I want to meet for 0.5:

 1. Alice is a web user who visits
 http://openfontlibrary.org/en/font/alegreya and sees that the foundry
 link points to 
 http://openfontlibrary.org/en/font/www.huertatipografica.com.ar;
 which is an obvious 404 error. She looks for a link to report a
 problem with that page, finds it easily because it is near the content
 with an error, and she clicks it. She is taken to a page that explains
 how to report a problem and how long it will typically take.

 2. Ellen is a web user in Spain who wants to translate 100% of the
 Open Font Library into Spanish. She visits the site and sees a clear
 invitation to start contribution translations. She is taken to a
 guidebook page that explains the process, and she follows the
 instructions. In the 0.6 release 100% of the site is translated into
 Spanish thanks to Ellen, and she is clearly credited on the site and
 in the Press Release/Announcement information.

 3. Bob is a skilled professional PHP+MYSQL web developer who has never
 heard of Aiki before. He visits Open Font Library and sees on every
 page an invitation to contribute to the next release. He clicks the
 invitation and is taken to a page in the guidebook that clearly
 explains how to get a copy of the current site's source code running
 on his local machine, how to stay in sync with other developers, and
 how to contribute his patches so that they ship in the next release.
 Where to meet and chat to other developers online is clear. Where bugs
 and features requests are tracked is clear. Bob follows the
 instructions, and his patch is included in the 0.6 release.

 4. Charlie is a type designer in Turkey who wants to contribute
 Turkish glyphs to fonts in OFLB that need them. He visits the font
 page of his favorite families and finds a character map section that
 tells him what language coverage is like for various scripts, and
 which characters are missing to bring the font up to 100% coverage of
 languages it has begun supporting. He doesn't know what to do next,
 but sees an invitation to contribute to the font family. He clicks the
 link and is taken to a guidebook page that explains how to find the
 designer's contract information on a font family page and how to start
 a collaboration effort with a designer.

 5. Daniela is a graphic designer who attended a lecture about libre
 fonts and has made her first font that she wants to share with the
 world. She doesn't know anything about licensing or what is required
 to make a public release of a libre font. She visits OFLB and sees an
 invitation to upload and share a font. She clicks the invitation and
 is taken to a guidebook page that clearly explains the whole process,
 how long it will take, what she will need to do to prepare the upload,
 and then ends with a clear link taking her to the upload process start
 page. She uploads her font. At the end of the upload process she is
 taken to a guidebook page that explains how to make updates to her
 font.

 I've hired Fabricators to develop the Aiki-based OFLB site to make
 these stories become true :-)

 --
 Cheers
 Dave



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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] font assimilation

2012-04-10 Thread Jon Phillips
So the fonts are updated quiet often? That would be great to have an
automated upload and refresh to the files on open font library.

Spencer, please wait until we hear back a response on this. It might
make sense to build this script first. I want to asses how hard it is
first before proceeding.

Thanks!

Jon

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:01 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote:
 On 10 April 2012 08:09, Jon Phillips j...@fabricatorz.com wrote:
 Great, lets get them up! I've tasked one Fabricator, Spencer, to
 upload all the google web fonts.

 I publish updates to the fonts in the GFD collection every week, so
 this ought to be semi automated... its a lot of fonts.

 1 download them all and update them all with scripted HG commands $ hg pull

 2 remove GFD specific fluff (METADATA files, md5sum files, and the
 manually generated subset files, something like this, $ rm */METADATA
 */md5sum */*.latin* */*.greek* */*.cyrillic* */*.vietnamese*;

 3. zip each directory, $ zip -r9 $dir $dir;

 4 upload the ZIPs to the OFLB upload form page using curl -
 http://curl.haxx.se/docs/httpscripting.html

 5 as an advanced feature, the script should extract the description,
 designer name, category, and license from the METADATA files and use
 that in step 4

 6 another advanced feature would be for the script to do an md5sum of
 the ZIP and store that somewhere, and then each time the script is run
 it would check the new ZIPs md5sums and only upload updates that have
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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] font assimilation

2012-04-09 Thread Jon Phillips
I totally think making a list of fonts that exist and are compatible
with the site, and bringing them into the repository, and hopefully
the creators of the fonts, is a useful exercise. Please do!

We are releasing 0.4 today! Its already up!

Who can help get pre-existing fonts into the collection?

http://openfontlibrary.org/en/guidebook/existing_libre_open_fonts

We need a better page like http://openfontlibrary.org/guidebook/requests

We need more librarians to help update the guidebook. It needs love!
It is editable by librarans and admins.

Who is interested in helping?

Jon

On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 4:53 PM, vern adams v...@newtypography.co.uk wrote:

 On 28 Mar 2012, at 09:41, Robert Martinez wrote:

 It appears that google has no other business than to hoarde OFL licenced 
 fonts.

 That's a funny way to word it :)
 i think you'll find the google webfont directory is simply a library of  
 mostly OFL licensed fonts, made accessible via google's very smart font API. 
 The fonts themselves are freely available apart from the google API, e.g via 
 fontsquirrel.com

 -v


 Then there are collections like movable type 
 http://theleagueofmoveabletype.com/ waiting for their assimilation.
 My impression is that once the new OFLB is up we will have to feed a huge 
 amount into the system.

 Here is my question:
 Are there planned efforts to easily swallow other collections - or will we 
 rely on manual input?





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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] font assimilation

2012-04-09 Thread Jon Phillips
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 3:34 AM, Barry Schwartz
chemoelect...@chemoelectric.org wrote:
 Jon Phillips j...@fabricatorz.com quotes this exchange:

 On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 4:53 PM, vern adams v...@newtypography.co.uk wrote:
 
  On 28 Mar 2012, at 09:41, Robert Martinez wrote:
 
  It appears that google has no other business than to hoarde OFL licenced 
  fonts.
 
  That's a funny way to word it :)
  i think you'll find the google webfont directory is simply a library of  
  mostly OFL licensed fonts, made accessible via google's very smart font 
  API. The fonts themselves are freely available apart from the google API, 
  e.g via fontsquirrel.com

 Google does not simply hoard existing fonts, but provides versions
 tailored to use on the web, in Google’s OSes and applications,
 etc. This is definitely the case with my own fonts, where I have
 provided them with TrueType versions not available elsewhere, and
 where they have made improvements for Google Reader that I have not
 (to date) backported.

Can you provide those sources to us, or are they available on google webfonts?

That is good to know there is value add.

I wonder what the license is on those sources. Did you have to sign an
agreement to license them to google separately so they can create
derivatives at will?

Jon

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[OpenFontLibrary] Fwd: planet.freedesktop.org

2010-07-07 Thread Jon Phillips
fwiw


-- Forwarded message --
From: Mike Cooper myth...@osuosl.org
Date: Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: planet.freedesktop.org
To: Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org


I upgrades all 3 sites to the new Venus planet code.

I just copied the configs over from the old instances. I left the old
code in the sample place, in case you need to go back and get something.
The new stuff is in /var/www/$site/venus. A few sites in the
configurations gave errors when they were updating, so I commented them
out. You should probably go look at the *.ini files to see if you can
bring back any of those sites.

Enjoy
--Mike

On 06/23/2010 04:16 PM, Jon Phillips wrote:
 Excellent...the configs are in SVN too...I believe...also, can you
 update the http://planet.openclipart.org/ and the
 http://planet.openclipart.org/news

 both are running the same old software.

 Thanks man :)

 Jon

 On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Mike Cooper myth...@osuosl.org wrote:

 Oops, I meant the planet create.freedesktop.org, not
 planet.freedesktop.org . I got your email from an old ticket dealing
 with this planet (create.freedesktop.org) . It, oddly enough, was also
 dealing with the planet not updating for some reason. I am going to
 upgrade create.freedesktop.org to Venus, so that it actually works. I
 will let you know when it is done and updating again, that way you can
 look over what is being pulled into the planet since it stopped working
 so long ago. Most of the configuration will port right over, so don't
 worry about that.

 --Mike

 On 06/22/2010 01:40 PM, Jon Phillips wrote:

 Do I control those? I only control planet.openclipart.org and
 planet.openfontlibrary and the main http://create.freedesktop.org
 which are planets.

 Can those be upgraded?

 For freedesktop.org, talk to keith packard and the other site wranglers 
 please.

 Jon

 On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Mike Cooper myth...@osuosl.org wrote:


 Jon,

 I noticed today that the cron job that updates planet.freedesktop.org
 has been failing since about March. This coincides with us upgrading the
 version of Python on that machine that runs it.

 After some digging it seems that the software that was running the
 planet site before (planetplanet) has fallen out of development and
 isn't getting updated to the new version of Python. There is however a
 fork of the project called Venus that should work as a replacement.

 The fact that this has gone on so long leads me to believe that maybe
 planet.freedesktop.org has fallen out of use. Is this the case? If so
 then I can shut down the cron jobs and that particular site. However, if
 you would like I could try and update planetplanet to Venus so that the
 planet site will live again.

 Please let me know what you would like to do with this site,
 --Mike Cooper
 Student System Adminstrator
 OSU Open Source Lab















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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Path to Completion of Open Font Library

2010-07-07 Thread Jon Phillips
Dave has the admin password and can mail to you offlist...however, we
should limit how many have admin access soon ;) hahaha

We can create other user levels...like librarians for adminswe
have with ocal and it works well.

But you hack, so you get!

Jon

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:40 AM, Ben Weiner b...@readingtype.org.uk wrote:
 Hi,

 On 7 Jul 2010, at 00:33, Jon Phillips wrote:

 The site is at http://testvm2.openfontlibrary.org

 We've already set up the installation, with dave leading the charge on
 this. Thanks man!


 Thanks for this and the Launchpad tickets. Everything's getting professional 
 very quickly ;-)

 Is there a way to get a user name for the aiki site?

 Ben

 --

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 +44 (0) 7780 608 659





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[OpenFontLibrary] Path to Completion of Open Font Library

2010-07-06 Thread Jon Phillips
Hi all, I've been talking over with AikiFramework.org friends Bassel
and Christopher, and then have talked with Dave about this. So, here's
what we are going to do. Dave, Bassel, Christopher and myself are
going to bust out work hard and get an Aiki-based solution up and done
asap by Monday, July 19.

We of course would love to have help with this. We hang out in
#openclipart #aiki We need to port over the current site. We have all
the scripts to do this from converting Open Clip Art Library. We just
need action.

Also, we are going to use this for tracking bugs:

https://launchpad.net/openfontlibrary

The site is at http://testvm2.openfontlibrary.org

We've already set up the installation, with dave leading the charge on
this. Thanks man!

Let us know if you want to help out! We are in IRC. Attack!

Here is the plan of attack:

(1) Setup Aiki on test instance (DONE, thanks to Dave!)

(2) Make feature parity with current openfontlibrary.org (we need to
make sure and have an assessment of this on the wiki. Dave + Rejon)

(3) Import old database (bassel)

(4) install beta tag at top of the site towards the bug tracker (Christopher)

(5) test out the site for review and hopeful conversion to live
(Christopher + All)


We are in IRC right now if you want to help out! We want to get this
tech stuff and management stuff out of the way so that everyone can
focus on making awesome fonts. We've had great success with Open Clip
Art Library, so now lets replicate and explain/show everyone here how
to power-up with Aiki + Open Font Library :)

Jon

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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Path to Completion of Open Font Library

2010-07-06 Thread Jon Phillips
 The site has 4 key features at the moment:

 1. Users can upload a font family as a ZIP file, and the ZIP is
 unzipped on the server so both the ZIP and the files in the ZIP have
 URLs

 2. Visitors can view a directory listing of fonts on the site

 3. Visitors can view a profile page for each font family on the site, showing:

 3a. Download links to the ZIP and individual files (JPEG/PNG are
 rendered in the page)
 3b. An @font-face based preview of the font and a @font-face snippet generator
 3c. A markdown-processed DIV with the contents of a FONTLOG.txt if
 included in the ZIP

 4a. Users can mark a font family as a derivative of another font
 familiy on the site when they upload it
 4b. Visitors see the family tree of a font family


Great! All converted to action:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/openfontlibrary/+bug/602502 (notice the 3
projects all helping each other)

Jon




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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Open Font Library v3: Drupal?

2010-06-30 Thread Jon Phillips
I am just adding a vote of confidence here. Aiki conversion of
openclipart created all the scripts and techniques for converting a
ccHost based site to Aiki, like OCAL. Bassel and others from OCAL can
help with that, make it solid.

I will make sure that an Aiki conversion happens, if that is selected
as the driection, since I'm focusing on AikiFramework.org now.

I think that swapping everything out for yet-another-cms like drupal
would be a waste of time, when there are devs who would help, and
pieces already ready for the conversion. We only stopped working on
this when it appeared that the ccHost site was 90% complete pre-LGM.

Let us know. Let's get it done for realidad.

Jon

On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Christopher Adams ch...@raysend.com wrote:
 The evident success of the Open Clipart Library would speak well to the
 prospect of deploying OFLB the same way. I know that more sites are coming
 online using aikiframework. The system has good momentum and the developers
 are hungry for more projects.
 +1 for Aiki

 - -
 christopher adams
 ℡ +886-953-036-630
 TECHNE-RAYSEND.COM

 On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Robert Martinez m...@mray.de wrote:

 I have *some* experience with drupal.
 I strongly believe that OFLB can benefit from it since drupal really has
 its focus on communitites and is pretty mature and established (already in
 V6 imho).

 I have no information about Aiki and cannot compare it to drupal in terms
 of features or technical details.
 But there is one thing that in my eyes makes a huge diffrerence; by using
 drupal we offer lots of other people to easiliy participate in a familiar
 system.

 So all I want to note here is:

 +1 for drupal


 On 06/30/2010 07:23 PM, Dave Crossland wrote:

 Hi,

 When the site gets broken, the error message asks people to email me
 about it so I fix it.

 When I do this, I email people back and ask them if they are PHP
 developers and would like to help contribute. One of the kind souls
 who replied to this is Ron Williams of www.lithicmedia.com who is a
 PHP website developer who has volunteered on the Drupal core codebase.

 I spoke to him on the phone yesterday for about an hour and a half
 about the OFLB and his ideas for a new version based on Drupal. Ron
 showed me some of his work, which I like -
 http://www.tmgcustommedia.com/ http://codyfisher.com/ - and explained
 how he's hoping to contribute to projects with a long term impact, and
 he believes web fonts will become increasingly important in the next
 few years, so he'd like to join the OFLB effort.

 I took a look at what's coming with Drupal 7.x -
 http://drupal.org/node/774926 - and the new file_load(), file_save(),
 and file_validate() functions and hooks sound ideal for us. The
 built-in version control of nodes looks good too, and jQuery UI is
 baked in. The drush shell program also looks good, allowing us to
 script the bulk import of fonts into the site. I'm actually surprised
 at how much Drupal has evolved in recent years, I last used it in 2004
 and heard earlier this year it still had a bad reputation. I also see
 the Software Freedom Law Center is supporting the core team.

 Since Jon Philips has withdrawn from OFLB, we've kinda lost the link
 to Aiki, and I'm happy to use Drupal.

 Thoughts? :-)








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[OpenFontLibrary] @rejon Next Steps...

2010-06-02 Thread Jon Phillips
Hi all,

I wanted to let you know that I'm stepping back from various projects
right now to so I can focus on my main involvements: Status.Net,
Fabricatorz.com, and AikiFramework.org

I primarily have stayed on here because I wanted to make sure the site
transition happened. I talked with Dave about this at LGM, and I think
its best for me and the community that I step back from any real or
fake responsibilities I have with Open Font Library community.

You guys have far more knowledge about fonts, and with the new site
nearly complete, I feel like its a great time to support the
leadership Dave is providing for the project and all the amazing work
you guys are doing.

So, effective immediately, I am stepping back from the project
completely. Of course, I will be very supportive. If there is the need
for advise, I'm always available. Also, if after the conversion, there
is a desire to move to aiki, myself and bassel would be very
supportive of helping the move to Aiki Framework.

Anyway, I'm so excited post-LGM, I want to make sure to say that you
guys all rock! I am so excited to see such a big focus on fonts and
the open font movement! Its sooo cool guys! See you on the internets
:)

Jon

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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Meeting with Jon Phillips

2010-04-26 Thread Jon Phillips
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:56 AM,  fontfree...@aol.com wrote:
 I wanted the group to know that I had a very positive meeting with Meeting
 with Jon Phillips yesterday in San Francisco.

 We discussed openfontlibrary, my new open font website in development, and
 numerous websites
 Jon and I are working on which have nothing to do with fonts. (web based
 vector design software, social networking, tech law, and more)

 In person, Jon is MUCH more down to earth than I had expected.

Hahaha. Oh geez, my online persona is that bad? ;)


 We dined on canned peaches and a Charlston Chew.


 Eric Way (FontFreedom)

Yes, always great to meetup!

Jon


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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Server Side SVG

2010-04-22 Thread Jon Phillips
rsvg

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 11:37 PM,  fontfree...@aol.com wrote:
 So, what was the name of that server side svg renderer written in C which
 you were mentioning today?

 C and C++ are my favorite tools to develop websites with, btw...

 PHP certainly has it's place, but apparently mere mortals are able to code
 in PHP as well.


 --Eric Way



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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OpenFontLibrary Digest, Vol 52, Issue 7

2010-04-14 Thread Jon Phillips
Thanks Eric, we all really appreciate that!

Jon

On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:36 PM,  fontfree...@aol.com wrote:
 In a message dated 4/14/2010 12:00:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
 openfontlibrary-requ...@lists.freedesktop.org writes:

 From: Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com
 Subject: Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OpenFontLibrary: Proposed Meeting in
     San Francisco
 To: Open Font Library openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org
 Message-ID:
     o2z2285a9d21004132125t60b2ac4dg1bf01f5384422...@mail.gmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

 Hi,

 I will be in SF for TUG.org conference in June, I think, and up north for
 fontconf.com. For all of May (well, from the 8th) I will be in Brussels for
 LGM.

 What do you want to discuss? Pointing openfontlibrary.com to .org? :)

 Regards, Dave

 Dave! Ooops! I just did that...Openfontlibrary.com is now pointed to
 openfontlibrary.org.
 Dang, maybe it was just an accident...won't really know till...I...make up
 my mind...

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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] upload requirement: correct licence meta information

2010-03-10 Thread Jon Phillips
its a hard one. The ideal scenario is to have humans help review.

Jon

2010/3/9 Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com:
 On 9 March 2010 21:44, Robert Martinez m...@mray.de wrote:

 Is it possible to reliably check for licence meta information in the font
 files?

 I think we do check this pretty well. Ben would know best...




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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Phone conversation with Ed Trager

2010-03-10 Thread Jon Phillips
aiki

2010/3/8 Robert Martinez m...@mray.de:
 On 03/08/2010 04:47 PM, Ed Trager wrote:

 Hi, everyone,

 On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine
 alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com  wrote:


 On 3/8/10, Dave Crossland wrote:



 Ed thinks about replacing ccHost with a custom webapp.




 To set the record straight, like many of you I've been wondering all
 these months what the holdup was with the cchost prototype?  I
 contributed a bunch of code to that, and naturally would like to see
 the fruits of my labor --as well as the fruits of the labors of so
 many others-- realized.

 So this puzzlement was really the genesis of my conversation with
 Dave.  And my suspicion going into the conversation was: is cchost
 part of the problem?

 Also, I was thinking is cchost the right platform for what we want to do?

 So, I was thinking, let's explore an alternative pathway:  What do we
 want to do?  Write that down as an outline.  If the most important
 parts of what we want to do are simple and straightforward, then let's
 just write a custom web app to do it.

 But note that such a custom web app would still capitalize on stuff
 that we already collectively know how to do well anyway: i.e., PHP
 with MySQL and, on the Javascript side, jQuery.

 Also, for the login and security aspects I was thinking about using
 OpenId (OpenId.net).

 Also, I've been working on a bunch of jQuery-based code for web
 applications in my day job, and have also been thinking of using
 OpenId for some web apps in my day job.  So I was visualizing how I
 might be able to apply and reuse some of what I have been doing in my
 paid work toward the OFLB project.

 Now if Aiki is a really good solution to the problems, then I won't
 argue against it.  But is it a really good solution or not?  I don't
 yet know, because I only heard about it yesterday when talking with
 Dave, and I don't yet know anything else about it.

 In the end, I only argue for using the right tool(s) for the job.  So
 that could be Aiki or something else.  But it looks more and more like
 cchost was really not the right tool, and from what I understand,
 modifying and customizing cchost was very laborious and frought with
 bugs.



 Ed suggests just talking about OFLB v2 again for the 4th time at LGM?




 Umm ... I wasn't even at LGM in the last couple of years ...



 Ed is offering to cut the code for this, so, don't be mean to him. :-)


 What's the point of being mean when I can be nasty? :)



 It's OK, Alexandre,  I'll take it if you agree to let me dish it out too :-)



 Alexandre



 - Ed


 Was it ever considered to use drupal and enhance it?
 Ed seems to know it, and I got the feeling there are plenty of PHP savvy 
 people here.
 In terms of reusing a live community and popular code base it might be a good 
 idea.

 Just a thought! Please don't lynch me for bringing that up if it was a bad 
 idea :)


 Robert




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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] FontConf - the unconference on @font-face and web fonts.

2010-03-10 Thread Jon Phillips
Very cool! It might be able to be arranged :)

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Garrick Van Buren garr...@kernest.com wrote:
 I'm organizing an unconference on web fonts  @font-face use - 
 http://fontconf.com

 If you're passing through St. Paul, MN this summer - I'd love to have someone 
 lead a session on the OFLB and the OFL (and related licenses).

 Details @ http://fontconf.com

 Thanks.

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 On Mar 10, 2010, at 10:56 PM, Khaled Hosny wrote:

 On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 05:00:57PM -0600, Barry Schwartz wrote:
 Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org skribis:
 Well, things are changing now with the advent of LuaTeX, thanks to its
 backward compatibility, it is taking slowly over TeX world (see ConTeXt
 for example, which is being rewritten in Lua), unlike ANT which never
 gained momentum.

 ANT, written almost entirely by one guy in an actual programming
 language, never gained momentum because people have had their minds
 numbed by TeX and glorified assembly languages. We have had issue
 after issue after issue of TUGboat, year after year, devoted to newer
 and more intricate ways to drive a nail with a sponge. The appeal is
 understandable; give me a chance to write in an assembly language,
 when I was still capable of such things, and I could get lost in
 it. Even fontforge is written in a mere glorified assembly language
 that is the main reason the program crashes, crashes, crashes, because
 the compiler is happy to compile stupid things that an OCaml compiler
 would never come close to accepting and which no one should have to
 worry about in 2010 in an application.

 I was not saying ANT is not good (well, I know no OCmal anyway), I'm
 just saying that in a very conservative world like TeX, if you don't
 maintain some level of backward compatibility (LuaTeX isn't fully
 backward compatible), people will not adopt your engine.

 BTW, AFAIU, Knuth didn't want to have a programing language in TeX; the
 macros was intended for users designing the layout of their books, every
 one was expected to write their own extended TeX engine in pascal, but
 nobody did :)

 This is all kind of off-topic, but it is too easy to get sucked into
 bit twiddling. Bit twiddling is a curse on mankind. OFLB can have all
 kinds of bells and whistles, but some graphic design and an effort to
 appeal to actual, non-TeXie font-users have made League of Moveable
 Type a more productive place to post fonts, from my point of view
 wherein, frankly, TeXies can be taken for granted. They'll use
 anything capable of doing text, even if it is buried under three
 layers of tarballing in an ftp directory on an obscure host.

 :)

 Back to the main point, lets just hope OFLB v2 will ever be online, then
 we can discuss all sorts of improving it, but I don't think it makes any
 sense right now.

 Regards,
 Khaled

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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Phone conversation with Ed Trager

2010-03-08 Thread Jon Phillips
Dudes, we are relaunching OCAL 2.0 monday PST, and we are getting huge
traffic and making great strides. Aiki is awesome, and we could easily port
current awesome design, and ccHost, since we know how to do it, and get the
same response IMO.

My company has been doing the work, Fabricatorz.com, with Bassel running the
whole thing.

So, IMO, cchost is over and done, long live aiki.

At this point its about doing the work, and we are in a configuration to do
this, access ready, and system in place.

S, the best thing we could get to make this real is support, filing
bugs, and compensation for ronaldo and bassel's time, if we want to
accelerate this. Of course, compensation is not a blocker, just nice icing.

At the end of the day, i think we could turn around OFLB in 2 weeks, and get
the same work burst, same look, and all the features desired of the current
site.

I would scrap any new new features for now, and push towards having OCAL 2.0
and OFLB 2.0 done by LGM2010 so we can stop talking talking and doing doing
what we want, making great fonts and community.

Anyway, let's get it doneof course, open to discussion about it.

I don't really see any other viable timely options. ccHost dev is dead.
Writing a new webapp is a death sentence for OFLB. The best option is to
copy what we did for ocal, open up launchpad for oflb, and unite behind aiki
as the core, since we know how and built aiki to handle just this type of
content site.

Cheers and I'm excited!!!
Jon

On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote:

 On 8 March 2010 04:26, Alexandre Prokoudine
 alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:
  On 3/7/10, Dave Crossland wrote:
 
  Ed thinks about replacing ccHost with a custom webapp.
 
  Ed suggests just talking about OFLB v2 again for the 4th time at LGM?

 Ed is offering to cut the code for this, so, don't be mean to him. :-)




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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Phone conversation with Ed Trager

2010-03-08 Thread Jon Phillips
We are in a productive mode these days, and I think making conversion to
aiki is going to be faster and better longer term than working on a dead
codebase, with a system that requires limited access to our main server. The
point with Aiki is to allow various levels of access from the web to enable
people rather than lock out with arcane codebase and limited server access.

Jon

On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Schrijver e...@authoritism.net wrote:

 But I don’t understand what is holding back just launching the ccHost
 version—why did I see a functioning prototype a year ago?
 Are there some hurdles that are proving difficult, and that could be
 overcome by scrapping it for a different system?

 Jon I admire your spirit and I think it is great you are willing to do
 this;
 (and congrats on the OCAL launch!)
 the thing I am a bit scared of is that in shifting systems you will run
 into unforeseen delays all over again; and right now the site just needs to
 be up, no?

 Eric

 Op 8 mrt 2010, om 10:46 heeft Jon Phillips het volgende geschreven:

 Dudes, we are relaunching OCAL 2.0 monday PST, and we are getting huge
 traffic and making great strides. Aiki is awesome, and we could easily port
 current awesome design, and ccHost, since we know how to do it, and get the
 same response IMO.

 My company has been doing the work, Fabricatorz.com, with Bassel running
 the whole thing.

 So, IMO, cchost is over and done, long live aiki.

 At this point its about doing the work, and we are in a configuration to do
 this, access ready, and system in place.

 S, the best thing we could get to make this real is support, filing
 bugs, and compensation for ronaldo and bassel's time, if we want to
 accelerate this. Of course, compensation is not a blocker, just nice icing.

 At the end of the day, i think we could turn around OFLB in 2 weeks, and
 get the same work burst, same look, and all the features desired of the
 current site.

 I would scrap any new new features for now, and push towards having OCAL
 2.0 and OFLB 2.0 done by LGM2010 so we can stop talking talking and doing
 doing what we want, making great fonts and community.

 Anyway, let's get it doneof course, open to discussion about it.

 I don't really see any other viable timely options. ccHost dev is dead.
 Writing a new webapp is a death sentence for OFLB. The best option is to
 copy what we did for ocal, open up launchpad for oflb, and unite behind aiki
 as the core, since we know how and built aiki to handle just this type of
 content site.

 Cheers and I'm excited!!!
 Jon

 On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote:

 On 8 March 2010 04:26, Alexandre Prokoudine
 alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:
  On 3/7/10, Dave Crossland wrote:
 
  Ed thinks about replacing ccHost with a custom webapp.
 
  Ed suggests just talking about OFLB v2 again for the 4th time at LGM?

 Ed is offering to cut the code for this, so, don't be mean to him. :-)




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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] New Ubuntu Font

2010-03-05 Thread Jon Phillips
If someone drafts an email, I will join on and make sure it gets to
shuttleworth and jono...we should try to engage them constructively.

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On Mar 5, 2010 7:32 AM, Garrick Van Buren garr...@kernest.com wrote:

On Mar 5, 2010, at 9:25 AM, Nicolas Spalinger wrote:

 I think it's up to us as a community to thin...
Excellent. I completely agree and am increasingly of opinion that
commissioned-then-openly-licensed fonts will be the primary model for the
majority of font development moving forward.


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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Pc.de New Fonts

2010-02-26 Thread Jon Phillips
Why don't you try to convince him first.

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On Feb 26, 2010 8:58 AM, Garrick Van Buren garr...@kernest.com wrote:

Here's Sergiy's response

...Under preliminary arrangements these fonts shouldn't will available as
OpenSource, these fonts can will available only with the price equal $0.00,
and all rights to drawing belong to me


Based on that I think the PC.DE fonts should be removed from the OFLB.




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 Just noticed the “Pc.de New Fonts” submitted by erielarsonor:
 http://openfontlibrary.org/media/f...


Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Pc.de New Fonts

2010-02-26 Thread Jon Phillips
But, please someone follow up with the guy so he understands the
issue...we have to break the shaming and nuking before reaching out
that happens in Free Software so often...most of the time folks are
just confused.

Jon

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote:
 On 26 February 2010 18:08, Peter Baker b.ta...@gmail.com wrote:

  Just noticed the “Pc.de New Fonts” submitted by erielarsonor

 It sounds to me as if he doesn't understand Open Source: if he did he
 wouldn't have posted a font on OFL

 He didn't post them, though.

 I'll hide the file now.

 --
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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] A preview of the fonts on OFL (includes a backup of nearly all fonts and a way to download them)

2010-02-13 Thread Jon Phillips
Cool! Why don't we just install your script on the server and make it a
cronjob? Also, please make a link to the original file locations on the site
and a link to all the fonts too for each font listing. That would be very
cool addition!

Dave and Ben are meeting on monday in London to talk about the site.

I met with dave last week too and talked about iteager to move it
forward, but keep everything together when possible!

Jon

On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 4:50 AM, Robert Martinez m...@mray.de wrote:

 Iwan Gabovitch wrote:

 In case the link is down or you want to have the stuff on your hard drive,
 I created a .7z http://www.box.net/shared/3740jtfyrb (17MB)

 thanks, your zip is very handy!




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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] A preview of the fonts on OFL (includes a backup of nearly all fonts and a way to download them)

2010-02-13 Thread Jon Phillips
Cool, but I totally support efforts like Iwan's to push through our
blockages...In fact, I hope we can support these efforts more on our site(s)
too.

Nicholas, do we have a package of our fonts?

I have software which can do the packaging and we can put into a cronjob.
Anyone interested in this?

Jon

On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Nicolas Spalinger 
nicolas_spalin...@sil.org wrote:

 [...]

  I also wonder, what are the chances of adding a tool into OFL to create
  previews of all font files and then adding the previews to the browse
  and font pages?
 
  Best regards
 
  Iwan

 Thanks for your efforts in providing previews.

 The tools which Ed Trager has worked on for the OFLB
 (pango-cairo-font-playground) provide support for generating previews
 beyond what convert from imagemagick currently allows us to do.
 Should allow us to get rid of the questions marks and empty boxes... :-)

 So integrated previewing is underway and will be available on the live
 site hopefully soon.

 BTW, OFL is the license and OFLB is the library :-)


 People who are yet not aware of it may also be interested by the review
 we run weekly for all the fonts in Debian: various metadata fields and
 to-be-improved previewing too:  http://pkg-fonts.alioth.debian.org/review/

 Cheers,


 --
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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] A preview of the fonts on OFL (includes a backup of nearly all fonts and a way to download them)

2010-02-13 Thread Jon Phillips
svn checkout https://svn.openclipart.org/public/openclipart/packager/trunk
packager


But, that is configured for clipart currently. Bonus points if someone
wants to genericize the package to work for fonts to at OFLB. Its
architected pretty general and can just take in the big folder and
package everything up into RPMs, DEBs, ZIPfiles, etc...so could do a
release every month!

Also, would anyone want to take on this task to help do monthly
release of the fonts?

Setting up a cronjob is a nice way to keep it always happening, and
save like the last 30 days of files at a time in the package, then
just take the 1st of the month and make a new package!


For those who don't have access yet and want to contribute:

http://openclipart.org/wiki/Developer_Management#New_Developers

Cool!

Jon


On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote:
 Where can we downloadthat software?

 On 13 Feb 2010, 11:01 PM, Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org wrote:

 Cool, but I totally support efforts like Iwan's to push through our
 blockages...In fact, I hope we can support these efforts more on our site(s)
 too.
 Nicholas, do we have a package of our fonts?
 I have software which can do the packaging and we can put into a cronjob.
 Anyone interested in this?
 Jon

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 nicolas_spalin...@sil.org wrote:   [...]  ...

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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] epic fail: French Anti-Piracy Organisation Hadopi Uses Pirated Font In Own Logo

2010-01-20 Thread Jon Phillips
Oh, what a great story for the open font library planet.

Jon

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Nicolas Spalinger
nicolas_spalin...@sil.org wrote:
 Chris Lilley wrote:
 Hello,

 An object lesson in being sure that fonts are used within the terms
 of their license. The design agency for Hadopi, the French agency
 overseeing the controversial 'three strikes' law that removes
 Internet access from households after three illegal download
 warnings, itself used a copy of an exclusive corporate typeface
 design made for France Telecom, stolen copies of which have appeared
 on warez sites. (The other font used was also unlicensed, but is at
 least *available* for licensing, and a copy was purchased some two
 months after the logo went into use).

 http://fontfeed.com/archives/french-anti-piracy-organisation-uses-pirated-font-in-ownlogo/


 Hi Chris,

 Oh the delicious irony...

 I also really hope the buzz around this will result in more people
 becoming aware of the need to always respect the upstream designer's
 license whatever it may be: libre/open or more restricted as an
 exclusivity for a particular entity. Never assume but make an effort to
 look at the metadata.

 More details on the font family itself:
 http://www.typofonderie.com/alphabets/view/Bienvenue/?lang=en
 and the upstream designers:
 http://www.typofonderie.com/profile

 BTW, glad to see that the W3C discussions around fonts have led to a
 recognition of the need for metadata: DRE instead of DRM.

 Cheers,

 --
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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] openfontlibrary.fontly.org down

2010-01-18 Thread Jon Phillips
cool, can you update here on what it will take? I find myself here at
LCA in wellington with some spare cycles with andyfitz and some
others...also wheels moving on some ocal upgrades.

Good work sir!

Jon


On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I sorted the redirect on openfontlibrary.fontly.org today, only to
 hear from Raph that the server got hacked and he will take it down for
 a full reinstall very shortly.

 Therefore I've changed the DNS so that openfontlibrary.fontly.org is a
 CNAME for openfontlibrary.org, and made a note to check for 404s in
 the HTTPD logs for some hand crafted redirects in a week or so.

 And I've copied off the essential data to the testvm.oflb.org server
 which I've made good progress with, but I'm about to drop offline for
 a week. I'll spend another little while with it and see how far I
 get

 --
 Regards,
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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] broken download page in Firefox?

2010-01-17 Thread Jon Phillips
Dave, can we get that htaccess up please? thanks

Jon

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote:
 Hi Emma!

 The fontly.org site is a beta for showing off the new site, its not
 'real', so yes its buggy as hell: I am working on getting the new site
 ready for launch, and fully documented so that contribution is
 straightforward.

 This list will be the first to know when its sorted :)

 Cheers
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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Tying wiki and library identities

2010-01-10 Thread Jon Phillips
Paul, what's your username. I can give you admin access to help defeat
spamming.

I think at this point, we just want to get the site done to be honest and
possibly install more filters if necessary on the wiki.

Cheers

Jon

On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 7:46 AM, Paul Flo Williams p...@frixxon.co.ukwrote:

 Are there plans to tie identities between the wiki and the library itself?
 I ask because the wiki is getting a lot of spam from people who are
 clearly registering with the sole intention of posting links to get a
 hooky degree sites.

 I was thinking that it might be an idea to stop spam by only approving
 accounts for the wiki when someone has either uploaded a font or at least
 introduced themselves on the mailing list.

 (Actually, at this stage I'd be tempted to grab a backup of the pages and
 start afresh with a new version of MediaWiki and clean user list.)





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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Greetings - 1st post

2010-01-07 Thread Jon Phillips
Great Dave.

Cool, we will probably have some overlap in china, so lets sync
up...dopplr or tripit.com holla! :)

Jon

2010/1/7 Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com:
 From my phone: Ill do the htaccess in 24 hours, sure. Great work on the 
 upload fix!

 I won't be at lca, will be in tokyo last 2 weeks of february, and 
 shanghai/guangzhou first/last half of march, and kerala in april, and cape 
 town before lgm, where I will be. Probably summer in uk, after that, not sure.

 On 7 Jan 2010, 12:29 PM, Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org wrote:

 Ok, cool. You will be LCA? I'm supposed to go to...maybe good work session.

 I'm trying to get that patch in place to fix uploads on OFLB right
 now. But, Dave, can we please put up an htaccess on the fontly site
 for now and direct traffic to the main site.

 If the new site can go up faster, than even better than spending time
 on htaccess.

 Jon

 On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote:  
 2010/1/6 Schrijver e...@a...

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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Fwd: PT Sans licensing query

2010-01-06 Thread Jon Phillips
Yes, dual licensing is a good legal pathway in this case.

Jon

On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote:
 Hi,

 Thoughts?

 I think this is okay and worth encouraging; does anyone have any other
 suggestions for me to pass on to Emil? :-)

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Yakupov, Emil Date: 2010/1/7
 Subject: RE: PT Sans licensing query
 To: Dave Crossland

 Hi Dave,
 Hope you enjoy you tour in New Zealand. I also just come back from
 skiing in Bulgaria.

 Returning to our licensing question. When I told about my concern I
 meant not only possible future changes on OFL, but mostly possible
 changes in our minds. First of all -- we are going to distribute the
 fonts via Microsoft. I'm asking MS to consider possibility to include
 the fonts into one of the next recommended updates and I'm not sure
 that they will agree to bundle the font with OFL which is not
 modifiable. We also think about other similar channels and while some
 of them like to have exactly OFL, I can imagine that some of them who
 offer commercial software will not.
 And also you are right Russian-English aspect is the main and the most
 critical. In any case we need to present the License that fully
 corresponds in terms and statements to Russian federal low in the area
 of protection of intellectual property -- Chapter 4 of the The Civil
 Code.

 I think that the best and most flexible way will be the following.
 We place on our site, on the site of Federal Agency and on the sites
 of local governments of Russian Federation the distributive set that
 is bundled with Russian license that will play the role of main EULA
 together with supplementary English version which will serve
 information purposes.
 I place the draft English version below for you information.

 At the same time, if you agree, we will write on our site that the
 fonts are also available under SIL OFL and those who would like to
 bundle the fonts with for example Linux systems may get the OFL
 version of the font by a special request. OFL version will have the
 link to http://scripts.sil.org/OFL_web.

 Best Regards
 Emil


 FYI
 -

 FREE FONT LICENSING AGREEMENT
 for the fonts with Original Name: PT Sans

 GRANT OF LICENSE
 ParaType Ltd. grants you the right to use, copy, modify the fonts and 
 distribute
 modified and unmodified copies of the fonts by any means, including placing
 on Web servers for free downloading, embedding in documents and Web pages,
 bundling with commercial and non commercial products, if it does not conflict
 with the conditions listed below:

 - You may bundle the font with commercial software, but you may not sell the
 fonts by itself. They are free.

 - You may distribute the fonts in modified or unmodified version only together
 with this Licensing Agreement. You have no right to modify the text of 
 Licensing
 Agreement. It can be placed in a separate text file or inserted into the font
 file, but it must be easily viewed by users.

 - You may not distribute modified version of the font under the Original name
 or а combination of Original name with any other words without explicit 
 written
 permission from ParaType.

 TERMINATION  TERRITORY
 This license has no limits on time and territory, but it becomes null and void
 if any of the above conditions are not met.

 DISCLAIMER
 THE FONT SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED AS IS, WITHOUT WARRANTY OF
 ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ANY
 WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR
 PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT OF COPYRIGHT, PATENT, TRADEMARK,
 OR OTHER RIGHT. IN NO EVENT SHALL PARATYPE BE LIABLE FOR ANY
 CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY, INCLUDING ANY GENERAL, SPECIAL,
 INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, WHETHER IN
 AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT
 OF THE USE OR INABILITY TO USE THE FONT SOFTWARE OR FROM OTHER
 DEALINGS IN THE FONT SOFTWARE.

 ParaType Ltd
 http://www.paratype.ru




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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Greetings - 1st post

2010-01-06 Thread Jon Phillips
Ok, cool. You will be LCA? I'm supposed to go to...maybe good work session.

I'm trying to get that patch in place to fix uploads on OFLB right
now. But, Dave, can we please put up an htaccess on the fontly site
for now and direct traffic to the main site.

If the new site can go up faster, than even better than spending time
on htaccess.

Jon

On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote:
 2010/1/6 Schrijver e...@authoritism.net:
 first priority is to get away from the situation with 2 sites, just get
 something working out of the door…
 And then open up to commiters…

 I am blocking progress with this, and apologise; I am going to be in a
 city and have net access from the weekend for a week with nothing else
 but to sort this out.




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[OpenFontLibrary] OFLB file uploading fixed

2010-01-06 Thread Jon Phillips
Ok, I added the fix from OCAL and now file/font uploading works on the
live open font library again...so embarrasing, but fix in place!

Please upload fonts!!!

Jon

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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OneClickOrgs beta - our environment is now ready

2010-01-06 Thread Jon Phillips
Sure, not sure status of this :)

I like structure, but I like working website a lot more :)

Jon

2009/12/11 Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net:
 Le vendredi 11 décembre 2009 à 11:20 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit :
 Le vendredi 11 décembre 2009 à 10:01 +, Ben Weiner a écrit :
  Hi Nicholas,

 Hi,

 
 http://nim.fedorapeople.org/repo-font-audit-fedora-devel-20091128T2150
  22Z.tar.xz
 
  Like it. Where can I get the scripts that do the font-related tests?


 http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/fontpackages.git

 (If someone want to tweak it I can give commit access)

 Archive releases here btw
 https://fedorahosted.org/releases/f/o/fontpackages/

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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Greetings - 1st post

2010-01-05 Thread Jon Phillips
pick up shovel.

On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine
alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 1/5/10, Bassel Safadi wrote:
 Hi vernon,
 welcome to open font library
 we are uploading a new version of open font library now.

 Are we? Really? Wow, I thought at the next LGM we would be only
 talking about it again :)

 Alexandre




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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Greetings - 1st post

2010-01-05 Thread Jon Phillips
Nothing should stop fonts coming in. I don't like how we are splitting
traffic and confusing people having a live site and test site though.

I propose we put htaccess on the fontly site and redirect to the live site
for now.

Ocal is doing the same and it promotes confusion. Should do...

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On Jan 5, 2010 12:55 PM, Joshua A.C. Newman jos...@joshuanewmandesign.com
wrote:

You have the shovel.

There are exits to the North and East.

-J

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Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 12:4...
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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Greetings - 1st post

2010-01-05 Thread Jon Phillips
Lets get going :)

Jon

On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine
alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 1/5/10, Jon Phillips wrote:
 pick up shovel.

 Which means exactly what? :)

 Alexandre




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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Greetings - 1st post

2010-01-05 Thread Jon Phillips
fcuk. high priority to fix.

On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Paul Flo Williams p...@frixxon.co.uk wrote:
 Nothing should stop fonts coming in. I don't like how we are splitting
 traffic and confusing people having a live site and test site though.

 The broken upload script on openfontlibrary.org is stopping fonts coming in.






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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Greetings - 1st post

2010-01-05 Thread Jon Phillips
Michi (and Bassel), isn't that the same bug you fixed michi? Michi,
since you are admin, can you fix this for us?

That is just intermediate fix. We don't like ccHost anymore, so
looking into that...and have some funding under our asses now to get
these things fixed.

Jon

On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org wrote:
 I agree. That is unacceptable.

 Jon

 On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Daniel Johnson il.basso.bu...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Not too high, apparently.  This was first reported about 5 months ago.

 On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org wrote:
 fcuk. high priority to fix.




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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Greetings - 1st post

2010-01-05 Thread Jon Phillips
I believe so, but dev. has stalled on it...so power to the commiters!

Jon

On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Antonio Roberts
anto...@hellocatfood.com wrote:
 Just to be sure, isn't this the beta of openfontlibrary?
 http://openfontlibrary.fontly.org/ If so, is the design still heading
 in that direction?

 Ant

 2010/1/5 Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org:
 Michi (and Bassel), isn't that the same bug you fixed michi? Michi,
 since you are admin, can you fix this for us?

 That is just intermediate fix. We don't like ccHost anymore, so
 looking into that...and have some funding under our asses now to get
 these things fixed.

 Jon

 On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org wrote:
 I agree. That is unacceptable.

 Jon

 On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Daniel Johnson il.basso.bu...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Not too high, apparently.  This was first reported about 5 months ago.

 On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org wrote:
 fcuk. high priority to fix.




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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] PT Sans

2009-12-29 Thread Jon Phillips
weird, did anyone email them to try and get them to use OFL? last
thing we need is more fragmentation.

Jon

2009/12/29 Andrey V. Panov pa...@canopus.iacp.dvo.ru:
 On 28 декабря 2009, Andrey V. Panov wrote:
 ParaType type foundry has released PT Sans typeface http://fonts.ru/public/
  (the text in Russian, it leads to zip archive). Its license which could be
  found in TTF names is mostly identical to OFL 1.0. The fonts contain
  Latin and Cyrillic including extended.


 In fact their license is based on OFL 1.1. They removed PREAMBLE and 
 DEFINITIONS
 sections, added has no limits on time and territory, but it to TERMINATION
 section (TERMINATION  TERRITORY in their version) and replaced Copyright
 Holder(s) with ParaType through the text.

 Here is ParaType's license:

 -
 Copyright © 2009 ParaType Ltd.
 with Reserved Names PT Sans and ParaType.

 FONT LICENSE

 PERMISSION  CONDITIONS
 Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy
 of the font software, to use, study, copy, merge, embed, modify, redistribute,
 and sell modified and unmodified copies of the font software, subject to the
 following conditions:

 1) Neither the font software nor any of its individual components, in original
 or modified versions, may be sold by itself.

 2) Original or modified versions of the font software may be bundled,
 redistributed and/or sold with any software, provided that each copy contains
 the above copyright notice and this license. These can be included either as
 stand-alone text files, human-readable headers or in the appropriate
 machine-readable metadata fields within text or binary files as long as those
 fields can be easily viewed by the user.

 3) No modified version of the font software may use the Reserved Name(s) or
 combinations of Reserved Names with other words unless explicit written
 permission is granted by the ParaType. This restriction only applies to the
 primary font name as presented to the users.

 4) The name of ParaType or the author(s) of the font software shall not be
 used to promote, endorse or advertise any modified version, except to
 acknowledge the contribution(s) of ParaType and the author(s) or with explicit
 written permission of ParaType.

 5) The font software, modified or unmodified, in part or in whole, must be
 distributed entirely under this license, and must not be distributed under any
 other license. The requirement for fonts to remain under this license does not
 apply to any document created using the Font Software.

 TERMINATION  TERRITORY
 This license has no limits on time and territory, but it becomes null and void
 if any of the above conditions are not met.

 DISCLAIMER
 THE FONT SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED AS IS, WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS
 OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ANY WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY,
 FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT OF COPYRIGHT, PATENT,
 TRADEMARK, OR OTHER RIGHT. IN NO EVENT SHALL PARATYPE BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM,
 DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY, INCLUDING ANY GENERAL, SPECIAL, INDIRECT,
 INCIDENTAL, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT
 OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF THE USE OR INABILITY TO USE THE FONT
 SOFTWARE OR FROM OTHER DEALINGS IN THE FONT SOFTWARE.


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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] The wiki

2009-10-11 Thread Jon Phillips
nuke, who is admin. I am, I can make a few people admins to help out.
Can you guys help patrol?

Jon

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Aaron Spaulding
professionalaa...@gmail.com wrote:
 Reverted, +1 for deleting the spammers account.

 On Oct 11, 2009, at 2:32 PM, Grzegorz Staniak wrote:

 Hi,

 Is there a wiki admin here on the list? Looks like the wiki
 has been compromised/spammed, go have a lokk at:

 http://openfontlibrary.org/wiki/Main_Page

 I don't think that's what's supposed to be the main page

 Best regards,
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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] latest?

2009-10-05 Thread Jon Phillips
Well, our VM is in order, just needs to get rocked out.

Highest priority on fixing upload though, right? Michi how did you
fix??? Thanks for helping.

Jon

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 3:55 AM, Ben Weiner b...@readingtype.org.uk wrote:
 Hi all,

 Jon Phillips wrote:

 All is well Dave, personal stuff takes precedence and I hope that all
 will be well soon...you know I've had my share this year...

 I'll see what I can do here in the coming day/week.

 One thing to do is to hand off those responsibilities to Ben and/or
 someone else who has some time to pick up the slack...I'll do what I
 can to move things forward too.


 OK, great. Though I'm happy to wait another little while for Dave to get his
 VM in order ;-)

 Happier doing that than doing the VM stuff myself, that is...

 Cheers,
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[OpenFontLibrary] latest?

2009-10-02 Thread Jon Phillips
What's the latest on things fellas on the site?

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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] latest?

2009-10-02 Thread Jon Phillips
ok, seeing if the fix we applied to OCAL can be done to OFLB.

BTW, we are considering/working on a move to a new framework,
http://aikiframework.com

And, are always in #openclipart if you guys want to work on somethings.

jon

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Daniel Johnson
il.basso.bu...@gmail.com wrote:
 What's the latest on things fellas on the site?

 Uploads on the production site remain broken.

 Cheers,
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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] latest?

2009-10-02 Thread Jon Phillips
All is well Dave, personal stuff takes precedence and I hope that all
will be well soon...you know I've had my share this year...

I'll see what I can do here in the coming day/week.

One thing to do is to hand off those responsibilities to Ben and/or
someone else who has some time to pick up the slack...I'll do what I
can to move things forward too.

Cheers!

Jon

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I am blocking progress, and I apologise totally, since I am letting the
 whole project down, but sadly I have had girlfriend drama and
 responsibilities to my family I have to take care of over the summer and
 haven't been at a computer much.

 Basically I need to do a documented install of cchost on the testvm, install
 the oflb theme and ed's tools, and migrate the fonts from v1.

 Regards, Dave

 On 2 Oct 2009, 8:52 PM, Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org wrote:

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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] oflb is back

2009-09-10 Thread Jon Phillips
Great! Is there anything we can do to insure this doesn't happen again...too
embarrasing :(

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On Sep 11, 2009 4:00 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine 
alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

We are back again :)

Alexandre


Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Downtime / What to do about it??

2009-08-31 Thread Jon Phillips
What would really help is if you point that url's DNS to osuosl like
openclipart, then it can function as a backup.

Otherwise, please transfer the name to one of us like Dave, myself,
Nicholas, etc.

That would be helping.

Jon

On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 4:13 PM, fontfree...@aol.com wrote:

 I happen to be feeling a bit frustrated with the  openfontlibrary.org
 downtime.

 I'm considering frame forwarding  openfontlibrary.net to
 http://openfontlibrary.fontly.org, but I don't really  want to pull the
 DNS off OSUOSL if
 OSUOSL is going to do something about making
 http://www.openfontlibrary.net
 work as a backup as would have hoped it would  have during
 openfontlibrary.org
 downtime.

 I HAVE NOW put up a new  status message containing a link to
 http://openfontlibrary.fontly.org
 on  http://www.openfontlibrary.com so that people fumbling around by
 domain
 looking  for openfontlibrary can at least find the beta site while the main
 site is down.

 FontFreedom
 **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy
 steps!
 (
 http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=115bcd
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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Downtime / What to do about it??

2009-08-31 Thread Jon Phillips
All is well Alexandre. Thanks for your hard work all the time my friend :)

Jon

On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine 
alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 3:13 AM, fontfree...@aol.com wrote:
  I happen to be feeling a bit frustrated with the  openfontlibrary.org
  downtime.

 FYI there is a thing called weekend. This is usually two last days of
 a week, namely Saturday and Sunday. This is when people take rest from
 previous five days of madness called solving other people's issues.
 So when you mail domain service around 8pm on Friday to tell them they
 didn't really passed control on the domain name to a new company
 chances are that the mail will be read on Monday morning only.
 Probably morning.

 This is how the world works.

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[OpenFontLibrary] Fwd: PHP error on live website

2009-08-10 Thread Jon Phillips
Hi all, any progress on this and/or the new site...I will have a bit
more time this month to help out...would like to of course see the
site go live.

Jon

-- Forwarded message --
From: Daniel Johnson il.basso.bu...@gmail.com
Date: 2009/8/6
Subject: [OpenFontLibrary] PHP error on live website
To: Open Font Library openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org


The old website is erroring out when uploading a file.  When trying
to update a font, I get this error:

/var/www/openfontlibrary.org/htdocs/cclib/cc-fileverify.php(226):
Uninitialized string offset: 0 [2009-08-06 17:30
pm][127.0.0.1][/media/file/replace/735]

I first noticed this at about 10:30 a.m. Eastern time today, and it is
still happening.  The zip file being uploaded has been verified to not
be corrupted.

Cheers,
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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] AdBard?

2009-06-02 Thread Jon Phillips
Go for it...but seems slightly ironic somehow that ads are still ads unless
they have free software friendly advertisers. More resources, means more
work done ...

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On Jun 3, 2009 8:59 AM, Raph Levien raph.lev...@gmail.com wrote:

I have no objections.

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Ed Trager ed.tra...@gmail.com wrote:  
Seems reasonable to me...


Re: [OpenFontLibrary] http://testvm.openfontlibrary.org/

2009-05-24 Thread Jon Phillips
Ok, actually Ben and Ed, I think better for you guys to login and look
at testvm, and import the site into OFLB SVN. I need to step back from
this right now for some high priority projects that I have to do to
pay the billz.

Jon

On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 3:54 AM, Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org wrote:
 Ok, then I'll just import the stuff. There is a script in the bin
 folder of ccHost which moves ccadmin.

 Yes, I'll document the steps on the public wiki like I did on ocal:

 http://openclipart.org/wiki/Website_Development

 I'll do it when I do the re-update. But really, need others to try and
 do their own local setup afterwards...ok, I'll just plow ahead...the
 dump and import is going to slow me down like 3-5 days I bet...

 Jon

 On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 3:46 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote:
 2009/5/12 Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org:
 On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 3:23 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote:
 2009/5/12 Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org:
 Heya guys, with victor's help and some tweaking, got OFLB up on the
 test site to a good state. I'm not seeing any errors,

 I'm not seeing any documentation :-(

 Without documentation we can't welcome contributors.

 Ok, so I will import the custom templates and things into the SVN that
 osuosl setup ok?

 Yes :-)

 Where do you want that to live?

 /var/www/openfontlibrary.org/public/openfontlibrary/www/openfontlibrary_files

 And, can you past the
 SVN modules for import from the test server you guys have been running
 so I can get the commands run by OSUOSL please?

 I don't understand what you want :(

 I'll write the documentation up on the update. I can't write
 documentation when experimenting with how to get this installed
 properly.

 Ideally, please keep a document of every command that you ran when
 installing the site. My HOW_THIS_SITE_WORKS.txt is a start at
 documenting the installation process, done this way.

 In my experience, if I wait until the installation is all done and
 then write a general summary, I forget important details.

 need to add some svn:externals fun so the custom files are
 updated this way as well

 :-)

 must remember to
 always move the ccadmin folder out of the way upon svn up as well.

 We should have a shell script at
 /var/www/openfontlibrary.org/UPGRADE.sh which does this.

 Yes, we need to get to this point before going live. Get me the things
 I ask for above, and I'll do that next. If you want the history of the
 old SVN maintained, please do an svn dump of the svn used on oflb at
 fontly, and make sure I can access it from that account you gave me.

 The fontly install has a shared account, openfontlibrary, so you have
 the same access as everyone else there :-)

 Then, I will have to have an osuosl admin import it into the osuosl
 repo so that it the history is maintained, make sense?

 Why can't we import it into the OSUOSL repo?

 If you don't care about history, then can just import the files right
 now into OFLB SVN on OSUOSL.

 The history is not that important, although keeping it would be ideal.




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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Site terminology: Fonts/Typefaces

2009-05-13 Thread Jon Phillips
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Sounds solved. Next. :)

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On May 13, 2009 7:01 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote:

We do have a mixed usage at the moment


[OpenFontLibrary] http://testvm.openfontlibrary.org/

2009-05-12 Thread Jon Phillips
Heya guys, with victor's help and some tweaking, got OFLB up on the
test site to a good state. I'm not seeing any errors, but I really
need you guys to look at and see if all is well:

http://testvm.openfontlibrary.org/

If all is well, then I will take the main site offline, backup the DB,
and then restart the process of updating the current site, then will
have OSUOSL move DNS to the new Virtual Machine they setup for the
site.

At that point, then will turn off the site maintenance screen, and the
new site will be live.

Then, I suggest banging on it for another 3-5 days, then can roll out
the plan for press.

What is next after that? Is there code that needs to be added or
updated, or access???

Also, I had an idea to sync with Mozilla folks about web-fonts, and
doing press around that and OFLB as a big boost pre firefox 3.5. if
interested, I can lay some groundwork with friends there.

Thoughts? Dave, have you updated the roadmap or plans on this? I might
be slightly off here on what you guys have discussed, but want to make
sure the site goes live and you guys have enought keys to hit the
ground running

Cheers!
Jon

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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] http://testvm.openfontlibrary.org/

2009-05-12 Thread Jon Phillips
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 3:23 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote:
 2009/5/12 Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org:
 Heya guys, with victor's help and some tweaking, got OFLB up on the
 test site to a good state. I'm not seeing any errors,

 I'm not seeing any documentation :-(

 Without documentation we can't welcome contributors.

Ok, so I will import the custom templates and things into the SVN that
osuosl setup ok? Where do you want that to live? And, can you past the
SVN modules for import from the test server you guys have been running
so I can get the commands run by OSUOSL please?

I'll write the documentation up on the update. I can't write
documentation when experimenting with how to get this installed
properly. Plus, I neeed to write some docs for the setup internally,
and how to setup locally for a developer, like I did for OCAL. Yes,
will do.

The highest priority if you want this done is to look at the site and
tell me what is ready or not ready. okay?

After you get me the SVN stuff, then will update so that its as simple
as svn up at the root of the install at OSUOSL. Right now, ccHost
updates fine this way, but need to add some svn:externals fun so the
custom files are updated this way as well. And, must remember to
always move the ccadmin folder out of the way upon svn up as well.

 I'll look at it now and won't change anything and try to write up how it 
 works.

Ok, how it works is not nearly as important and what is or is not
working so I can take this to being live.

 The main question for me is: Can we do an svn up on the ccHost
 directory to upgrade the ccHost code, while keeping our
 openfontlibrary_files directory managed by our SVN repository?


Yes, we need to get to this point before going live. Get me the things
I ask for above, and I'll do that next. If you want the history of the
old SVN maintained, please do an svn dump of the svn used on oflb at
fontly, and make sure I can access it from that account you gave me.
Then, I will have to have an osuosl admin import it into the osuosl
repo so that it the history is maintained, make sense?

Then, I'll make the SVN repo work on the testvm site, so changes there
get picked up via svn up. Also, will svn switch the working
directories on the fontly test setup so that if you guys or ben wants
to change there and commit, then can update the code on the osuosl
site.

If you don't care about history, then can just import the files right
now into OFLB SVN on OSUOSL.

Let me know. I'm trying to remove myself as a bottleneck here as fast
as possible, but making documentation at this point isn't going to
help this right now, just getting SVN and looking at what is or is not
working on testvm will help...but mainly svn.

Jon

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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] http://testvm.openfontlibrary.org/

2009-05-12 Thread Jon Phillips
Ok, then I'll just import the stuff. There is a script in the bin
folder of ccHost which moves ccadmin.

Yes, I'll document the steps on the public wiki like I did on ocal:

http://openclipart.org/wiki/Website_Development

I'll do it when I do the re-update. But really, need others to try and
do their own local setup afterwards...ok, I'll just plow ahead...the
dump and import is going to slow me down like 3-5 days I bet...

Jon

On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 3:46 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote:
 2009/5/12 Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org:
 On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 3:23 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote:
 2009/5/12 Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org:
 Heya guys, with victor's help and some tweaking, got OFLB up on the
 test site to a good state. I'm not seeing any errors,

 I'm not seeing any documentation :-(

 Without documentation we can't welcome contributors.

 Ok, so I will import the custom templates and things into the SVN that
 osuosl setup ok?

 Yes :-)

 Where do you want that to live?

 /var/www/openfontlibrary.org/public/openfontlibrary/www/openfontlibrary_files

 And, can you past the
 SVN modules for import from the test server you guys have been running
 so I can get the commands run by OSUOSL please?

 I don't understand what you want :(

 I'll write the documentation up on the update. I can't write
 documentation when experimenting with how to get this installed
 properly.

 Ideally, please keep a document of every command that you ran when
 installing the site. My HOW_THIS_SITE_WORKS.txt is a start at
 documenting the installation process, done this way.

 In my experience, if I wait until the installation is all done and
 then write a general summary, I forget important details.

 need to add some svn:externals fun so the custom files are
 updated this way as well

 :-)

 must remember to
 always move the ccadmin folder out of the way upon svn up as well.

 We should have a shell script at
 /var/www/openfontlibrary.org/UPGRADE.sh which does this.

 Yes, we need to get to this point before going live. Get me the things
 I ask for above, and I'll do that next. If you want the history of the
 old SVN maintained, please do an svn dump of the svn used on oflb at
 fontly, and make sure I can access it from that account you gave me.

 The fontly install has a shared account, openfontlibrary, so you have
 the same access as everyone else there :-)

 Then, I will have to have an osuosl admin import it into the osuosl
 repo so that it the history is maintained, make sense?

 Why can't we import it into the OSUOSL repo?

 If you don't care about history, then can just import the files right
 now into OFLB SVN on OSUOSL.

 The history is not that important, although keeping it would be ideal.




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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] http://testvm.openfontlibrary.org/

2009-05-12 Thread Jon Phillips
If you want to help me, please recreate some of those files on OFLB
wiki now and start updating the roadmap on the wiki, and prepping
outline of the press release about this.

Then, what else has to be done before public launch? A fire should be
lit under that stuff too so that this launch can happen pre-moz-ff 3.5

jon

On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 3:54 AM, Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org wrote:
 Ok, then I'll just import the stuff. There is a script in the bin
 folder of ccHost which moves ccadmin.

 Yes, I'll document the steps on the public wiki like I did on ocal:

 http://openclipart.org/wiki/Website_Development

 I'll do it when I do the re-update. But really, need others to try and
 do their own local setup afterwards...ok, I'll just plow ahead...the
 dump and import is going to slow me down like 3-5 days I bet...

 Jon

 On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 3:46 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote:
 2009/5/12 Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org:
 On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 3:23 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote:
 2009/5/12 Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org:
 Heya guys, with victor's help and some tweaking, got OFLB up on the
 test site to a good state. I'm not seeing any errors,

 I'm not seeing any documentation :-(

 Without documentation we can't welcome contributors.

 Ok, so I will import the custom templates and things into the SVN that
 osuosl setup ok?

 Yes :-)

 Where do you want that to live?

 /var/www/openfontlibrary.org/public/openfontlibrary/www/openfontlibrary_files

 And, can you past the
 SVN modules for import from the test server you guys have been running
 so I can get the commands run by OSUOSL please?

 I don't understand what you want :(

 I'll write the documentation up on the update. I can't write
 documentation when experimenting with how to get this installed
 properly.

 Ideally, please keep a document of every command that you ran when
 installing the site. My HOW_THIS_SITE_WORKS.txt is a start at
 documenting the installation process, done this way.

 In my experience, if I wait until the installation is all done and
 then write a general summary, I forget important details.

 need to add some svn:externals fun so the custom files are
 updated this way as well

 :-)

 must remember to
 always move the ccadmin folder out of the way upon svn up as well.

 We should have a shell script at
 /var/www/openfontlibrary.org/UPGRADE.sh which does this.

 Yes, we need to get to this point before going live. Get me the things
 I ask for above, and I'll do that next. If you want the history of the
 old SVN maintained, please do an svn dump of the svn used on oflb at
 fontly, and make sure I can access it from that account you gave me.

 The fontly install has a shared account, openfontlibrary, so you have
 the same access as everyone else there :-)

 Then, I will have to have an osuosl admin import it into the osuosl
 repo so that it the history is maintained, make sense?

 Why can't we import it into the OSUOSL repo?

 If you don't care about history, then can just import the files right
 now into OFLB SVN on OSUOSL.

 The history is not that important, although keeping it would be ideal.




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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Site terminology: Fonts/Typefaces

2009-05-12 Thread Jon Phillips
I will just say that most people think of is fonts. So good to use right
terms, but also important to consider commaner.

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On May 12, 2009 5:27 PM, Ben Weiner b...@readingtype.org.uk wrote:

Hi

Dave Crossland wrote:   At the LGM2009 Nicolas and I had some discussions
about the OFLB  termi...
I agree with the foregoing, but here is an explanation.

Believe it or not, the use of 'Typeface' was very carefully considered, at
least when we were thinking about the style and editorial tone of the OFLB.
I think we largely succeeded in carrying our decisions through to the site
pages and the new wiki docs.

'Typeface' refers to all the members of a visually related font family, so
the ccHost 'upload' page became a 'Typeface record' because users are
encouraged to produce multiple weights - a family, in other words - and
upload them to the same typeface record.

Typically the members of the family (each of which would traditionally have
been called a 'fount' or 'font') are regular/Roman, bold, italic, etc. There
could be different scripts in the family too; as long as they share a common
visual style, and by implication a common origin.

When we talk about 'fonts' on OFLB we should be referring to the files in
which the typeface family members are encoded. Font files can now contain
any number of typeface family members, so perhaps these multi-member files
should be called 'typeface files' instead.

Cheers,
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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] http://testvm.openfontlibrary.org/

2009-05-12 Thread Jon Phillips
Ok all good...just sell on cafepress or something, but wouldn't consider it
a blocker.

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On May 12, 2009 4:41 PM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote:

2009/5/12 Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org:

 Ok, then I'll just import the stuff. :-)  There is a script in the bin
folder of ccHost which m...
Okay cool.

 Yes, I'll document the steps on the public wiki like I did on ocal: 
http://openclipart.org/wiki...
Great!

 If you want to help me, please recreate some of those files on OFLB  wiki
now and start updating...
Okay, will do.

 Then, what else has to be done before public launch? A fire should be 
lit under that stuff too ...
After seeing Nicolas' cool OFL T shirt, I want to be able to sell T
shirts at the launch to raise money with our nice new logo :-)


Re: [OpenFontLibrary] any quick fixes?

2009-05-11 Thread Jon Phillips
Adding the list now :) Ben and Dave, is this borked on the fontly
install? I suggest updating cchost to latest trunk on the fontly copy
if possible and seeing if breakage.


Jon

On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Victor Stone fourstones@gmail.com wrote:
 upload_list_narrow is broken on your install - not sure yet what's
 going on there, but when I switched it to 'wide' in
 admin/skins/settings it works ok

 http://testvm.openfontlibrary.org/files

 is somebody hacking on ccskins/shared ?? (do make sure svn stat
 there's no conflicts)

 I did an update=1 and I got openid table - but I think I broke forms -
 looking into that...

 VS


 On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org wrote:
 hahaha :) hot.

 Jon

 2009/5/11 Victor Stone fourstones@gmail.com:
 gimme a few minutes I'm working with Michael on OCAL ;)

 VS

 On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org wrote:
 Another thing I noticed is that the old uploads paths are not updated
 either when I entered the new testvm.openfontlibrary.org for
 testing...as asked in the update screens:

 http://testvm.openfontlibrary.org/

 wrd. I'm in missouri! You should get out into the woods...that will
 help you sleep real well!

 2009/5/11 Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org:
 Ok, fixed the cchost_offline logging/errors folder and that works. had
 to feed the paths setting a full path. New code is much faster!

 Cheers

 Jon

 2009/5/11 Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org:
 wrd

 Ok, you already are admin, as fourstones. You are super user admin, and 
 also editorial staff ;)

 I did a fresh install of ccHost with SVN trunk but using the old ccHost 
 installed db from the current http://openfontlibrary.org

 I started out with fresh custom folder, named openfontlibrary_files on 
 this install.

 Jon

 2009/5/11 Victor Stone fourstones@gmail.com:
 NYC - can't sleep - I think I'm fourstones

 btw, there's another problem, looks like you didn't pick up
 cc_tbl_openids ??? I'll have to look into that too.

 VS

 On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 2:44 AM, Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org wrote:
 will have to fix the offline in the am..what's your user account on 
 there?

 werd...where you at?
 Jon

 2009/5/11 Victor Stone fourstones@gmail.com:
 Warning: error_log(../cchost_offline/cc-errors.txt)
 [function.error-log]: failed to open stream: Permission denied in
 /var/www/openfontlibrary.org/public/openfontlibrary/www/cchost/cchost_lib/cc-debug.php
 on line 476
 /var/www/openfontlibrary.org/public/openfontlibrary/www/cchost/cchost_lib/cc-template.php(966)
 : eval()'d code(16): Undefined index: upload_description_plain
 [2009-05-11 06:40 am][127.0.0.1][/files]


 two problems -

 1.  ../cchost_offline/cc-errors.txt is not writable from PHP
 2. I need an admin login to detect what's wrong

 VS

 On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 2:28 AM, Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org wrote:
 I did a fresh install for the OpenFont friends at
 http://testvm.openfontlibrary.org I noticed it used some new code. 
 The
 update when quite well, got the theme, but appears there is borkage
 here...any thoughts on fixing? I need to learn new template stuff...

 http://testvm.openfontlibrary.org/files

 any pointers good

 Jon

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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] New patron, but wants high profile link for small donation?

2009-04-13 Thread Jon Phillips
This is good. He contacted me outside of OCAL as well, and I felt like
it was a bit spammy at first. Then, I thought about more and
considered it that it would allow for funding development.

Is it ok in your opinion to take funds like this and not decide with
community consensus how they are spent?

I personally feel like if someone donates money through a person, that
they can be allocated however the person sees fit.

I think Inkscape and some other projects view this differently, but as
a web project, I think we have to consider how resources are
allocated.

I personally would love to see more of this to fund development. I'm
not sure how I feel about the main page, but think that smaller
irregular sums should be a on a sponsors/patrons page as you have
done.

For larger, regular sums, they could go on the main page footer or something.

I think the main thing is to have an agreement about the dates for this.

Jon


On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote:
 Hi!

 Chris Reynolds ch...@webhostingsearch.com contacted Alexandre and I
 last month, about becoming a sponsor of the site.

 He would like to donate US$500 in return for some kind of link to his
 business website. I proposed a link to the site on the patron's page
 for 6 months, and Chris has made this mock up:

 http://dave.lab6.com/acid/dump/2009/oflb-patron2.jpg

 He has also suggested a link on the main page of the old site, while it is up:

 http://dave.lab6.com/acid/dump/2009/oflb-patron1.jpg

 The value of affiliate marketing is quite large, and could be a source
 of income for the project, so I think we should be careful to keep
 high-visibility advertising copy available to patrons only at a
 premium. I would prefer to have a linked logo on the patrons page just
 like the other patrons have. $500 is much less than other patrons have
 donated, but then, an extra $500 will certainly help Ed Trager spend
 more time on integrating his work.

 Thoughts? :-)

 --
 Regards,
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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] New patron, but wants high profile link for small donation?

2009-04-13 Thread Jon Phillips
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote:
 2009/4/13 Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org:
 This is good. He contacted me outside of OCAL as well, and I felt like
 it was a bit spammy at first. Then, I thought about more and
 considered it that it would allow for funding development.

 Affiliate marketing is a bit spammy, yes; its for raising their page rank.

 Is it ok in your opinion to take funds like this and not decide with
 community consensus how they are spent?

 I think everything is open to community discussion :-)

 Right now I'm not sure what else the money would go to, though. We are
 waiting on Ed, the sooner he can do his bits, the better :-)

 I personally feel like if someone donates money through a person, that
 they can be allocated however the person sees fit.

 Well if *I* donate money, then *I* can say what it is for. But here
 the donor doesn't care, and so we ought to discuss this, at least a
 little.

 I think Inkscape and some other projects view this differently, but as
 a web project, I think we have to consider how resources are
 allocated.

 I personally would love to see more of this to fund development. I'm
 not sure how I feel about the main page, but think that smaller
 irregular sums should be a on a sponsors/patrons page as you have
 done.

 For larger, regular sums, they could go on the main page footer or something.

 Okay, the patron's page it will be, then.

 Chris just said to me,

 Unfortunately, linking logos has never been something we felt comfortable
 with. We are more fond of simple text links to our page because we have
 heard rumors that linked pictures can damage our website reputation and
 popularity in search engines. + your current patrons will probably prefer
 if there were less competitive banners on the page.

 I think the main thing is to have an agreement about the dates for this.

 Okay. I've said 6 months, what do you think is fair?

 I've made a link at http://openfontlibrary.fontly.org/patrons


3 months


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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] New patron, but wants high profile link for small donation?

2009-04-13 Thread Jon Phillips
Could treat like fundraiser and have set levels.

http://rejon.org/2009/04/seeking-fabricatorz-laoban-sound-system-20-sponsorships/

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Monday 13 April 2009, Dave Crossland wrote:
 Hi!

 Chris Reynolds ch...@webhostingsearch.com contacted Alexandre and I
 last month, about becoming a sponsor of the site.

 He would like to donate US$500 in return for some kind of link to his
 business website. I proposed a link to the site on the patron's page
 for 6 months, and Chris has made this mock up:

 http://dave.lab6.com/acid/dump/2009/oflb-patron2.jpg

 He has also suggested a link on the main page of the old site, while
 it is up:

 http://dave.lab6.com/acid/dump/2009/oflb-patron1.jpg

 This looks way too spammy in my eyes. Much better to say something
 like 5. Become a patron to support the project and then a link to the
 list of patrons.

 If you do want to mention a name on the front page then it should be
 something which randomly selects a patron, perhaps as a widget on the
 side bar, with a text like we thank our following patron for their
 donation to this project:. And then also have a minimum donated amount
 to get that privilege, but I have no idea what a good amount would be.

 Greetings
 Ben


 The value of affiliate marketing is quite large, and could be a
 source of income for the project, so I think we should be careful to
 keep high-visibility advertising copy available to patrons only at a
 premium. I would prefer to have a linked logo on the patrons page
 just like the other patrons have. $500 is much less than other
 patrons have donated, but then, an extra $500 will certainly help Ed
 Trager spend more time on integrating his work.

 Thoughts? :-)






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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFLB at LGM2009?

2009-04-07 Thread Jon Phillips
I'm definitely going. It would be great to have another voice
though...I talk too much ;)

Jon

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 6:52 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I've been putting off my LGM2009 flights/room bookings, and am now at
 the point where I have to say I really doubt I will be able to go.

 Since I'd like to have the OFLBv2 progress presented there, I wonder
 who is definitely going, and would like to to offer help to someone to
 present OFLB at LGM2009.

 The single hour slot for a bunch of shorter font talks worked well in
 the past, so perhaps that should be done again... :-)

 --
 Regards,
 Dave




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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Logo

2009-03-30 Thread Jon Phillips
Man, that logo is so good! You've really done a great job with it. I'm
really impressed.

I want to get some shirts made!

Jon

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 6:35 AM, Robert Martinez m...@mray.de wrote:
 Dave Crossland wrote:

 TODO: favicon :)


 Can do Sir. :P

 I'm glad you like the logo, and I hope my CSS does not break anything in the
 layout.
 Thanks for integrating it for me.




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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] openid

2009-03-22 Thread Jon Phillips
ccHost doesn't have openid yet...it would be good to have though!!!

On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 12:36 AM, Robert Martinez m...@mray.de wrote:
 just a thought for the future:

 we should offer contributors to dodge an extra account creation with support
 for openID.
 wikimedia seems to have an extension for this:
 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OpenID

 what about the cchost part of the page?




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[OpenFontLibrary] GSoC 2009

2009-03-09 Thread Jon Phillips
Would there be any interest in our two projects joining forces to try
and get a student each?

I can push on this, and think good to try and get someone on
this...although ,this year they will more than likely be more picky
about organizations...

http://socghop.appspot.com/

Jon


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From: Aaron Spike aa...@ekips.org
Date: Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 1:36 PM
Subject: [Inkscape-devel] GSoC 2009
To: Inkscape Devel List inkscape-de...@lists.sourceforge.net, Bryce
Harrington br...@bryceharrington.org


The time has arrived to apply for GSoC 2009. Since I haven't heard
otherwise I'm assuming I will be the admin? I will be completing an
organization app soon. Bryce, since you've held this role previously
please verbally confirm that you are passing the torch. :-)

Aaron Spike


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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] [Open Font Library] Upload Flagged

2009-03-04 Thread Jon Phillips
This is true :) They aren't motivating. And, this is true, we are all
volunteering.

I'll keep on getting the install ported, and hope you guys will be
inspired to help out. :)

At the end of the day though, have to get the work done in making the
project good, which you Dave, have really taking to the next level
with your sponsorship!

Jon

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote:
 I'm not sure these challenges are motivating, recalling Gustavo F... we do
 what we can.

 On 4 Mar 2009, 7:25 PM, Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org wrote:

 Ok, I challenge you to lead the audit. I also challenge Raph to help to.

 At the end of the day, whoever gets this done, and gets the site up
 I'm looking forward to.

 I personally will help get the site up asap, and am eager to get this
 project on regular track(s) as well :)

 Jon

 On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Nicolas Spalinger

 nicolas_spalin...@sil.org wrote:

 Jon Phillips wrote:  Actually, I think we should launch asap. If there
 are problematic  fonts,...

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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] SVN updated

2009-03-02 Thread Jon Phillips
ccHost will stay in its SVN repo, then we can use the new
openfontlibrary-public repo for the skins, plugins, files, etc...

Where are the new files at? Are they not in any SVN repo?

Maybe easy right now if I get access to that fontly server to take a
look at harmonizing these things...I'm on a roll right now...

I'm in #openclipart if you guys want to push on...

Jon

On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Ben Weiner b...@readingtype.org.uk wrote:
 Hi,

 Jon Phillips wrote:

 Basically, the next steps IMO would be to move the development version
 of OFLB over to SVN,

 For the dev instance, we exported ccHost 5.x.x and then checked out the
 temporary repository into it once it was set up. This seemed the least
 complex method. The active work has been confined to files under a single
 directory (which is how ccHost supports customisation). In future, would the
 whole site be kept in SVN?

  then can do an svn up on the site when Ben, Dave
 and I are online to get the site sync'd. When could we do this? I know
 there is more to do on the dev, but curious on the timeline...I'm sure
 there are things I should have documented better, but can do in
 realtime with you guys soon

 OK, that might be possible in the next couple of days. Not sure I'll be
 needed though.

 Thanks, Jon.

 Cheers
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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] 2009 TEXT LAYOUT AND TYPOGRAPHY WORKSHOP / MEETING SURVEY

2009-02-20 Thread Jon Phillips
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Ed Trager ed.tra...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi, Eric,

 No decision yet.  I suspect that LGM is probably the preferred venue, but I
 don't really have enough data to back that assumption.  So if a few more
 people want to voice their preference, then I promise to actually do
 something.  Sorry, I've been completely swamped with other projects, but if
 people want to help me out by quickly responding to the little survey below,
 then I think we can move things forward quite quickly :-)

 =
 2009 TEXT LAYOUT AND TYPOGRAPHY WORKSHOP / MEETING SURVEY
 =

 (1) VENUE.  I PREFER THE FOLLOWING VENUE:
  [ ]  LGM in Montreál  6-9 May 2009 (
 http://www.libregraphicsmeeting.org/2009/ )

LGM

  [ ]  Linux Found. Collab. Summit Apr 8-10, 2009 in San Fransisco
 http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/collaboration-summit
  [ ] OTHER (write in): __

 (2) ATTENDANCE:
  [ ] I plan to attend.

Y

  [ ] Sorry, can't make it.
  [ ] I want to be able to follow along remotely via streaming video and
 IRC, Skype conference call, and/or other digital access technology

 (3) PRESENTATION TOPICS:
  [ ] I want to present on (topic):
  [ ] I can't be there in person, but I want to submit a
 paper/presentation/video on:
  (topic): _
  (We can arrange to have someone present on your behalf, if you
 want)
  [ ] I want somebody to present on:_

I'll do whatever...can help with live hacking.

 (4) CODE:
  [ ] I want to hack on (project:) __ during
 the gathering

website!

 (5) FOOD AND BEVERAGE: Check all that you like or just write in something
 ...
  [ ] Sugar Shack
  [ ] Pizza
  [ ] Cheetos
  [ ] Pho
  [ ] Plaa chu-chi
  [ ] Kendall Jackson 2004 Taylor Peak Estate Merlot
  [ ] Gordon Biersch
  [ ] Unibroue


Pizza :)

 (6) ADD YOUR OWN STUFF HERE:


Jon is positve :)



 Best to everyone -- Ed

 On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Eric Mader ema...@icu-project.org wrote:

 Hi,

 Did the location for the 2009 Text Layout and Typography Workshop ever get
 decided?

 Regards,
 Eric Mader

 Ed Trager wrote:

 Hi, everyone,

 Is there interest in having a Text Layout and Typography Workgroup
 meeting at this year's upcoming LF Collaboration Summit April 8-10
 (Wed-Fri) in San Fransisco?  If so, please email back complete with
 agenda ideas.

 I will be happy to take the initial lead in organizing an agenda and
 reserving space with the Collaboration Summit folks if I hear back
 from interested folks.  In order to reserve space, I need to get some
 kind of ballpark head count, so respond if you are interested.

 Ideally I'd like to be able to communicate back to the organizers next
 week so we can reserve space in a timely manner.

 Best Wishes -- Ed Trager





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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] LaunchPad going 100% Affero

2009-01-30 Thread Jon Phillips
I've been thinking maybe good to move ocal bug tracking and features over to
launchpad once cchost revisions in...maybe can schedule a day to migrate
both ocal and oflb over to using launchpad once we have got the new versions
live.

This is cool dave.

Jon

On Jan 30, 2009 11:27 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote:

Hi,

Glad to see that Canonical/Ubuntu Launchpad is being 100% Affero
licensed this summer:

https://dev.launchpad.net/OpenSourcing

Depending on how ccHost fares in the future, perhaps in 2010 the next
major revision to OFLB could be based on Launchpad.

Cheers,
Dave


Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Logo

2009-01-21 Thread Jon Phillips
I think the F is most recognizable. Its just the truth on fonts. Even
in China this is recognizable. There is always going to be a problem
with a character, even if one picks a number or a symbol. Agree, looks
good, lock and load.

Jon

On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Robert Martinez m...@mray.de wrote:
 Hi there,

 sorry for the delay. Along with some other issues I had to recover my
 webpage.
 I think the input from the mailing list was productive input so far.
 But the latest  idea to use a non-latin character turns out to be more
 problematic.

 I tried to fit many non-latin characters to the book, but all characters
 that are too big in width just don't fit in well. Nor do almost any other
 characters with a round bottom fit into the groove of the book. This narrows
 things down quite a bit.
 But that isn't my main reason for staying with the f.

 A non-latin character certainly has the charme of a certain place in the
 world where it is used. But in the end it can and will be interpreted in a
 way that excludes many people. An ö would exclude non-german speaking
 people, the  ñ  would exclude non-spanish speaking people and so on...

 Then there is the problem that a too venturesome character runs the risk of
 not being noticed as such. If there is only one strange character, people
 might just think it is a broken W  or a bent P or whatever just to be
 unique!, or it might even be seen as some abstract form like the
 nike-hook.

 Reflecting on all of those issues - and the fact that the f fits nicely to
 the book and to the meaning font (and the open library beneath it), I
 would prefer to stay with the standard f that everybody knows and uses.

 non-messed up links to the latest mockup:
 http://mray.de/openfontlibrary4.png

 ..and the SVG:
 http://mray.de/OFL-logo.svg


 greetings from Germany,
 Robert




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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] timeline + going live

2009-01-19 Thread Jon Phillips
On Sat, 2009-01-17 at 09:23 +, Dave Crossland wrote:
 2009/1/16 Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org:
  Let's just set a date, say FEB 18 (SUNDAY), to do a rollout and head
  towards it.
 
  Magazines will follow on what we do. If you guys are into, I'm into
  pushing on this on multiple levels. Good?
 
  Lets get this thing lauched!
 
 Sadly I think setting dates sets us up to fail against those dates.
 
 Better we just start the promotion when the site is up. The lead time
 of 3 months or 6 months is fine.

Ok, yes, dates don't work so well for open source. 

Dave, can you lead the charge on updating the roadmap towards launch and
then into next 3-6 months? That would be cool, give the launch some
shape, and let others on here jump into action.

Jon

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[OpenFontLibrary] Fwd: [Inkscape-devel] GSoC2009

2009-01-19 Thread Jon Phillips
I'll be damned! I think we should really try to get this this year. I
think we will have best results to join forces and ask for 2 students
for OCAL and 2 for OFLB. I know all the folks running this at google
and will do my best to see the possibilities...keep all posted! :)


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From: Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Subject: [Inkscape-devel] GSoC2009
To: Inkscape Devel List inkscape-de...@lists.sourceforge.net


Hi,

From what Leslie wrote in the mentors list it's quite obvious that
this year all organizations willing to participate should make an
early start to get best proposals, because amount of projects is
somewhat cut (no details given at this point) in comparison to last
year.

Since a number of principal developers had agreed that we indeed
should take part at GSoC2009, I've just dared to publish news to
encourage potential students looking at list of projects and
blueprints and thinking about participating. If you find it necessary
to edit the news text, please do so :)

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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Relaunch Status?

2009-01-17 Thread Jon Phillips
I agree, I really like this logo. It is a real advancement on the
previous. It stands up in b/w and is original. Great work! I really like
the layout of it as proposed for the new site too...I think good to
adopt it with the redesign!

I can see t-shirts a plenty with this cool logo on it!

Jon

On Sat, 2009-01-17 at 15:50 +, James Weiner wrote:
 I have to say I really like Robert's logo! despite the angle of the F  
 feeling a little odd at first I think it works for me because it's  
 different and interesting.
 
 I think I'm happy with it although maybe seeing some other examples of  
 perhaps more exciting font usage would be good to see.
 
 I'm not sure the logo needs to put across ALL the different things  
 OFLB is trying to do - I think that logo is as effective as the OFLB  
 name.
 
 Ben and others - your thoughts?
 
 James
 
 On 17 Jan 2009, at 15:36, Robert Martinez wrote:
 
  Dave Crossland wrote:
  2009/1/16 Robert Martinez m...@mray.de:
 
  I made this for the last contest (but wayyy too late), and after  
  browsing
  the amazing new page I fiddled around again:
 
  http://freegital.de/sites/freegital.de/files/openfontlibrary.png
 
 
  I like it although the font used in the F isn't quite right, the
  perspective transformation doesn't do it well... but I think it could
  work nicely if the character in the middle was different, such as an
  extended latin :-)
 
  James and Ben Weiner did the graphic redesign, so I hope they can  
  comment.
 
 
  I'm very interested in what they think, too.
  Their look is the key - the logo should fit.
 
  Concerning the choice for the f -  it represents the font, where  
  the  book beneath it is the open library part of openfontlibrary.
  because of that I would prefer not to use a more sexy but unrelated  
  charater.
 
  The transformation is a 30° skew, exactly like the book. That indeed  
  gives the letter more surface than an actual rotation in a  
  isometric space.
  So I tried bold semi-condensed, wich works much better :)
 
  http://freegital.de/sites/freegital.de/files/openfontlibrary2.png
 
 
 
 
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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] timeline + going live

2009-01-16 Thread Jon Phillips
Let's just set a date, say FEB 18 (SUNDAY), to do a rollout and head
towards it.

Magazines will follow on what we do. If you guys are into, I'm into
pushing on this on multiple levels. Good?

Lets get this thing lauched!

Jon

On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 16:05 -0500, Liam R E Quin wrote:
  I expect this to be complete by the end of the month, but, maybe the
  end of next month is something to tell magazines and so on if you have
  that in mind.
 
 Generally printed magazines have a lead time closer to 3 months
 for news items.  Or did last time I checked.
 
 So press submitted now might make it into
 March if you're lucky but more likely April or May issues
 of magazines like Creative Arts, Web Designer, etc.
 
 Liam
 
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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Relaunch Status?

2009-01-16 Thread Jon Phillips
Is there an updated roadmap as well? That would be good to have so
others can chip in on site, promotion, howtos, etc.

This looks outdated:

http://openfontlibrary.org/wiki/Roadmap

Jon

On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 19:07 +, Dave Crossland wrote:
 2009/1/15 Robert Martinez m...@mray.de:
 
  I figured out that there seems to be a relaunch for OFL. So what is the
  status?
  I'm looking forward to it very much and would like to know when it is going
  to happen.
 
 I'd say end of February to be sure; you can see the beta at
 http://openfontlibrary.fontly.org :-)
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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Fwd: [CREATE] LGM 2009 update

2009-01-15 Thread Jon Phillips
I think it makes most sense to consolidate and have it at the LGM
summit, esp. in this economy.

I will try to attend events in SF though, as I live here part of the
time.

Jon

On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 16:12 +, Dave Crossland wrote:
 2009/1/15 Ed Trager ed.tra...@gmail.com:
 
  For me personally Montreal would be easier to get to.
 
 I can't make it to SF :-(
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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] font face firefox friendly?

2009-01-06 Thread Jon Phillips
On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 21:00 +, Dave Crossland wrote:
 2009/1/6  fontfree...@aol.com:
 
 Dave Crossland wrote:
 FF3.1
 
  So...you are focusing quite a bit of the new site on a feature not present
  in MSIE, and only present in a beta version of Firefox. Hopefully
  more browsers will support this in the future
 
 MSIE has web fonts for its DRM format, which the W3C has rejected, so
 no one else will ever support it. So we have to just wait for IE to
 support non-DRM formats.
 
 Opera's latest beta has support. Safari ships with support for nearly
 a year. Chrome is rumoured to have support.
 
 Web fonts is coming.

I agree. This is a GREAT strategy Dave IMO.

Looking forward to focusing the launch and press around this. I will
help to make sure this really takes off too.

Which reminds me, need to press on OSUOSL.

Jon

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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Norm Walsh's Fonts FAQ

2009-01-06 Thread Jon Phillips
This is cool...yes, if we have anything we can relicense CC BY-SA, lets
do it!

Jon

On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 22:12 +, Dave Crossland wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Happy days.
 
 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Norman Walsh n...@nwalsh.com
 Date: 2009/1/6
 Subject: Re: Serious Enquiry about maintaining the Fonts FAQ
 To: Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com
 
 
 Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com writes:
 
  I'd be interested in having your Fonts FAQ licensed under a free
  culture license such as the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike
  3.0 license, which Wikipedia may switch to shortly (because the
  current WP license, the GNU FDL, is too complex; probably you know all
  this.)
 
  This would be so that our community could bring the FAQ up to date,
  and publish it on our website.
 
 That seems like a good idea. Consider it so licensed.
 
 Let me know when you've got it up in a new place and I'll update my
 pointers.
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[OpenFontLibrary] OSUOSL Latest

2008-12-09 Thread Jon Phillips
Hi all, I just talked with Ramareth from OSUOSL about their latest. They
have been backlogged on tasks and want to now move Create, Open Clip Art
Library and Open Font Library to their own Virtual Machine running
Gentoo.

This is great for us since we will have more flexibility, can install
software, etc. We won't have root, but much more control

This won't effect the current plans with Admin / Dev / SVN accounts, but
more about our day-to-day and if we need custom software.

Our sites put something like 80% load on the infrastructure they are on
now, so moving to VM will put us on their cluster infrastructure so they
can add more blades as need becool!

Cheers all!

Jon

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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OSUOSL Latest

2008-12-09 Thread Jon Phillips
On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 19:55 +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
 2008/12/9 Jon Phillips wrote:
  Hi all, I just talked with Ramareth from OSUOSL about their latest. They
  have been backlogged on tasks and want to now move Create, Open Clip Art
  Library and Open Font Library to their own Virtual Machine running
  Gentoo.
 
 If that helps finally adding my SSH key after half a year of
 procrastination, why not? :-)

Ha ;) That is like multiple levels of procrastination. I'll take the
blame though!

Jon

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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OSUOSL Latest

2008-12-09 Thread Jon Phillips
Yes, please do send in the htpasswd all! 

On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 16:59 +, Dave Crossland wrote:
 2008/12/9 Jon Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  This is great for us since we will have more flexibility, can install
  software, etc. We won't have root, but much more control
 
 That's great - for the interactive typesetter on oflb.fonly.org we
 would need to install some server side software.
 
  This won't effect the current plans with Admin / Dev / SVN accounts, but
  more about our day-to-day and if we need custom software.
 
 Everyone, please send me a HTPASSWD username/hash for access to the
 upcoming SVN account! :-)
 
  Our sites put something like 80% load on the infrastructure they are on
  now, so moving to VM will put us on their cluster infrastructure so they
  can add more blades as need becool!
 
 Sounds good :-)
 
 Cheers,
 Dave
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[OpenFontLibrary] [Fwd: Re: [Cctools-cchost] Wordpress music blogs as Sample Pools]

2008-11-23 Thread Jon Phillips
Hi all, this is another option so those that want to have their own
current site based on wordpress and interoperate with open font library
which is based on ccHost.

FYI!
Jon

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 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Keston
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 Subject: Re: [Cctools-cchost] Wordpress music blogs as Sample Pools
 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:53:10 -0800
 
 On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 2:56 AM, Jon Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Oh, this would be good to get into the documentation on the wiki.
 
 http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Cchost/concepts/Sample_Pools#Converting_Wordpress_Blogs_into_Sample_Pool
 
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Re: [Openfontlibrary] ccHost compression

2008-11-04 Thread Jon Phillips
On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 08:20 +, Dave Crossland wrote:
 2008/11/3 Ed Trager [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  The PHP getId3() library is at http://getid3.sourceforge.net/.  It
  might be worth looking into how to expand this library to recognize
  the TTF and OTF file headers, perhaps?  The idea here seems quite
  similar to what the *Nix file command does.  If someone were to look
  at the *nix file command source code, I bet you could fairly easily
  find a reference to the magic file header bytes that are used to
  detect TTF/OTF files and then add this to the getId3() stuff, assuming
  that getId3() is well-written.
 
 Ben Weiner has been looking at ways to extract metadata from font
 files directly, but I think he gave up because he couldn't complete it
 in the time he had to allocate to it. He was looking at the TTX
 tools for this, I think.
 
 Anyway, since none of our files have ID3 tags inside them, it seems to
 me that OFLB can get rid of getID3() and replace it with a PHP wrapper
 around the file command, perhaps combined with TTX.

getID3() reads/writes metadata to diff. file formats with standard type
of metadata per format and not just ID3...that is just for mp3.

The project has a bad misleading name ;)

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Re: [Openfontlibrary] Non-Copyleft Openfontlibrary

2008-11-04 Thread Jon Phillips
I disagree. We make it clear what fonts should be under. And, if one
submits their fonts and not under the terms allowed, we should delete
the fonts and/or look to support the option if their is sufficient
uptake for the license after review.

The last thing we need is license proliferation, spreading more
confusion to users of the site, and incompatibilities between uploaded
fonts.

The other option is to add a custom field for selecting your own, like
what google code project does.

We have to ask ourselves the question: take a stand on the licenses, or
allow for as many fonts and their licensing quirks as possible, and
possible problems.

ASIDE: This is one of the reasons why on OCAL we did go only PD ;) I'm
not arguing for it.

So, we often debate this, but we should come to some general consensus
about the goal(s) of the site:

* allow as many fonts as possible and develop thriving font community,
but with possible confusion

* take a stand and allow for only the major 2-3 font license + PD
options to serve as beacon of font freedom.

Others are doing the great font site well already, but no one does these
two options, and I would argue this project is best served as the font
community for FLOSSD world.

However, one could say that if that is true, we should allow for all
fonts possible from FLOSSD and either allow for font licenses or push
the font licenses determined as best suited to foster non-proliferation.

Ok, this is becoming a new thread. ;)

FontFreedom man, you can take credit at least for getting us to talk
about these things :)

Jon

On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 09:24 +, Dave Crossland wrote:
 2008/11/4 Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  Do not trust the OFLB license labelling.
 
 I've updated the site to warn people to check font files themselves, eg,
 
 http://openfontlibrary.org/media/files/tarzeau/321
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Re: [Openfontlibrary] oflb.org and switching domains

2008-11-04 Thread Jon Phillips
Just because of one person we should change urls? I don't agree
whatsoever and its bad SEO tech and bad policy to move that easily.

Good to have other domains, but all you need is one clear canonical url
and not confuse people.

Jon

On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 12:39 +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Dave Crossland wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I've bought these domains just now:
 
  openfontlibrary.info
  oflb.info
  oflb.org
 
  I suggest we make all the domains redirect to oflb.org and get that
  promoted as the main URL
 
 + easier to type in
 - not self-explanatory when you see it
 
 , then fewer new people will think to go to
  openfontlibrary.com.
 
 Just because of that? Are we *afraid* already? :-)
 
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Re: [Openfontlibrary] Non-Copyleft Openfontlibrary

2008-11-04 Thread Jon Phillips
On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 20:16 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In a message dated 11/4/2008 4:07:09 AM Pacific Standard Time,  [EMAIL 
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 writes:
 However I don't want to see any version of that  font being sold for 
 profit or falling under a commercial or proprietary  license - or someone 
 making minor modifications and copyrighting them.  That would just be 
 allowing someone else to cynically take financial  advantage of all my 
 hard work without doing much of anything themselves  or it could mean 
 that I couldn't make some improvement in my own font  because someone 
 might claim the improvement was already  copyright.
 
 
 I'm would be foolish to donate land for a  public park without ensuring 
 that and noone could come along, erect a  small fence and claim it as 
 their own personal or commercial  property.
 
 Releasing a font under GPL or OFL license simply  ensures the font can 
 freely be used or modified by anyone and that no  one can claim 
 proprietary or commercial rights.
 
 If  somebody does want a similar font to sell under a commercial license 
 I'm  perfectly willing to develop one for them for a fair price.
 My vision is more  along the lines of:
 
 Someone takes a basic, high quality font with a  copycenter license or public 
 domain dedication.
 They use that as a base,  making it into the banana font and Sarah's Swirly 
 Sans Serif, then sells those  as commercial fonts. If you look at the 
 programming post, you will see how the  best programmers know how to use 
 snippets of 
 other people's work to create their  own. I also imagine someone may grab 
 glyphs, etc. from several different open  fonts, combine them into one, with 
 their 
 own style...
 
  The CC-BY  License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/
 
 This license  requires attribution - and for any *reuse* or distribution, 
 requires  that the original license terms must be made clear to  others.
 
 Does this mean if someone uses a font under this license  to print a book
 (which could be considered a kind of reuse) that the  original license 
 terms must be printed or indicated in the book? Does  there have to be an 
 attribution?
 
 Rejon, you work for CC, can you  explain this to us?
 CC Licenses are somewhat long, have some quirks, and  mainly people get 
 confused between CC-BY, CC-BY-SA, CC-BY-SA-ND, etc...I've seen  too many 
 webpages  
 content which simply say you may reuse this (whatever it  is I created) under 
 a Creative Commons license, but then failing to say which  one, which leaves 
 people in the dark as to what the author is saying they can  and cannot do 
 with the content.

CC discourages use of cc licenses for fonts. I am not a fulltime
employee of cc anymore and am only really work on a couple of projects
more like freelance/contractor right now for cc.

The CC website does a good job of explaining the differences between the
licenses far better than I: http://creativecommons.org/about/license/

I would break cc licenses down as: Free (CC BY, CC BY-SA), non-free (the
other 4).

Then all current licenses require attribution (aka a linkback and/or
credit to the author(s).

Jon

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Re: [Openfontlibrary] Non-Copyleft Openfontlibrary

2008-11-03 Thread Jon Phillips
On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 11:24 +, Dave Crossland wrote:
 2008/11/3  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
   let people search and filter by licence?
 
 That's the essence of the compromise I have suggested.
 
  That's a fine feature request...However, I still want there to be an open
  font site without any copyleft fonts, and which encourages people
  considering releasing their fonts to use alternatives to copyleft.
 
 Please consider selling the openfontlibrary.com and .net domains to me
 andusing a different domain for this.
 
 When ccHost v5 documentation is released, you'll be able to set up a
 similar site fairly easily. I hope we can work together to federate
 your site and the OFLB, if your site becomes established.

Yet again, I strongly hope we can all work together so there is no need
to do any of these things...just keep on keeping on, and expose elements
as suggested.

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Re: [Openfontlibrary] Non-Copyleft Openfontlibrary

2008-11-03 Thread Jon Phillips
On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 04:32 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In a message dated 11/2/2008 10:26:10 PM Pacific Standard Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 01:17 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  The single priority I have for openfontlibrary is:
 Creating a new
  openfontlibrary without any copyleft fonts. (and banning any
 new ones
  from appearing)   Initially, Openfontlibrary was created as
 a place
  for fonts dedicated to the Public Domain. Things dedicated
 to the
  public domain are not copyleft.
 
 On the other hand, anyone can take a public domain resource
 (in
 the USA) and re-release it under the GPL, even if they are not
 the creator. That's where the first GNU tar program came
 from,
 for example -- by taking pdtar, without consulting the author.
 
 Here in Canada there's no such thing as public domain.
 
 Maybe it would be better if OFL made it clear which licence
 was
 in use for a given font, and let people search and filter by
 licence?
 
 Liam
 
 Canada does indeed have a public domain.
 In fact, there are even Canadian public domain websites...
 http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071022-european-copyright-law-used-to-threaten-canadian-public-domain-site.html

Yes, agree. There is absolutely a canadian public domain...see one of my
projects from cc still working on:
http://creativecommons.org/projects/pdwiki

Also, in any country that doesn't have or has encumbered PD, CC has
coming out: http://creativecommons.org/projects/cczero partially driven
by pdwiki and other demands.

 and let people search and filter by licence?
  
 That's a fine feature request...However, I still want there to be an
 open font site without any copyleft fonts, and which encourages people
 considering releasing their fonts to use alternatives to copyleft.
 

Yes, ccHost allows this.

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Re: [Openfontlibrary] Canadian Public Domain

2008-11-03 Thread Jon Phillips
Yes, that is my project:

http://creativecommons.org/projects/pdwiki

Jon

On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 10:01 -0500, Brendan Ferguson wrote:
 
  Here in Canada there's no such thing as public domain.
 
 http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/5809
 
 Is my recollection that copyright actually expires before US copyright  
 in canada. I seem to remember that they use to be on par, but that the  
 united states increased there copyright length for some disney  
 character.
 
 The above link is to a creative commons project aimed at canadian  
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Re: [Openfontlibrary] ccHost compression

2008-11-03 Thread Jon Phillips
Yes, I think worthy. We have done this for SVG on http://openclipart.org

Its for more than just id3 now ;) Should be more like
readWriteMetadataWithPHP() 

;)

Jon

On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 16:46 -0500, Ed Trager wrote:
 Hi, Brendan,
 
 The PHP getId3() library is at http://getid3.sourceforge.net/.  It
 might be worth looking into how to expand this library to recognize
 the TTF and OTF file headers, perhaps?  The idea here seems quite
 similar to what the *Nix file command does.  If someone were to look
 at the *nix file command source code, I bet you could fairly easily
 find a reference to the magic file header bytes that are used to
 detect TTF/OTF files and then add this to the getId3() stuff, assuming
 that getId3() is well-written.
 
 - Ed
 
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Re: [Openfontlibrary] Non-Copyleft Openfontlibrary

2008-11-02 Thread Jon Phillips
On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 01:17 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The single priority I have for openfontlibrary is:
  
 Creating a new openfontlibrary without any copyleft fonts. (and
 banning any new ones from appearing)
  
 Initially, Openfontlibrary was created as a place for fonts dedicated
 to the Public Domain. Things dedicated to the public domain are not
 copyleft. Copycenter licenses such as the BSD license, the MIT
 license, etc would also not be copyleft.
  
 I'm mostly afraid openfontlibrary is moving in the direction of
 becoming the (however small) sourceforge of fonts. (Sourceforge is a
 popular open source software website featuring mostly copyleft
 software.)

 If anyone would suggest the best way to make this happen, I'm all
 ears...
  
 Remember, I own the openfontlibrary.com and .net domains, the
 non-copyleft version of openfontlibrary could go there. I started
 talking privately with (rejon) about this idea last year, but that
 never really went anywhere.

Oh, I think that would not be a very good way to split traffic. I
understand your points, but in the end I think better off to be more
inclusive rather than more exclusive. Yes, originally I pushed very hard
for PD only fonts like we have PD only content for openclipart.org 

My thinking on the subject might have changed now slightly in that I'm
most interested in supporting the spectrum of usability.

I personally would like to see openfontlibrary (OFLB) be the place for
fonts on the free and open desktop. However, in the interest of the
project, and contributors, I'm most willing to work together with
interested parties to create something together by consensus and
especially when I don't know something.

The good thing about our setup is that we can support both PD and what
the majority of font developers in the FLOSS world (or rather those that
speak up / dig in ) suppport: PD and SIL OFL.

 I understand the majority (but not all) of the people involved with
 this project are pro-copyleft, but I really want to have a
 non-copyleft openfontlibrary.
  
 FF

Well, I personally lean more towards more complete freedom as in Public
Domain or something more like CC attribution license, but in this
project, we have decided to expand the licensing options for the
preference of the community.

Regardless, I strongly hope that we can work towards commons solution
because we don't want to create site proliferation (aka, we have hard
enough time keeping forward momentum on the current site, but which is
happening now thanks to the efforts of Dave, Ben, George, etc).

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Re: [Openfontlibrary] openfontlibrary.com now pointing to openfontlibrary.org

2008-10-28 Thread Jon Phillips
Good you got them...why do you have them in inframe?

The best would be for you to update the DNS on them to be the same

ame Server:NS1.AUTH.OSUOSL.ORG
Name Server:NS2.AUTH.OSUOSL.ORG


Then, we can file a ticket to OSUOSL.org to make them work properly. Can
you do that on those two domains.

In the future, when we have some type of conservatorship, etc, can we
all agree to move those domains and openfontlibrary.org over to that
org? 

Cheers!

Jon

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 Some domain speculators have been sending me emails, trying to sell me
 openfontlibrary.com, so...
 I've just bought the .com version of the openfontlibrary domain name,
 pointing it to openfontlibrary.org.
 (I own the .net, that's why they've been offering it to me.)
  
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Re: [Openfontlibrary] cchost5 and OFL

2008-10-03 Thread Jon Phillips
Ok, added you to sender filter so your posts will go through, but you
won't get mails from openfontlibrary list unless you subscribe.

Jon

On Thu, 2008-10-02 at 18:53 +0200, Victor Stone wrote:
 (it should be noted that my posts are being bounced by OFLB list - I'm
 x-posting to cchost because of relevant info)
 
 On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Ben Weiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  [condensing several messages]
 
  Jon Phillips wrote:
 
  It would be great to get this somewhere public before weekend is over.
 
   IIRC there were other changes in the rest of the site:
   some xml files (like guidelines.xml) were also modified to turn ccHost
   from a music-oriented site to a fonts-oriented site.
 
  Yes, right, but nothing core ccHost was modified. Everything is just
  skins, plugins, and xml files.
 
 
  OK, good to hear that ;-) Even if they don't all work  in v5.
 
 Actually 'nothing' is too strong a word - compared to the skins (a
 complete redo) the changes to core should be low impact. However,
 there ARE changes to core that will affect many plugins - like events
 that are no longer being triggered on very upload record.
 
 Again - point me at code and I can spot them in seconds.
 
 
  You can add filetypes in the admin pages.
 
  Right: may I ask: add as in add to the list of filetypes or as in pick 1-n
  choices from a list of predefined filetypes?
 
 Filetypes should be added in the psuedo-verifier from the admin
 screens - this was a late add to v4 and nothing has changed. I know
 devs are quick to jump into php code to add file types but this is a
 really big mistake (not that it costs lives or anything, just a time
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Re: [Openfontlibrary] cchost5 and OFL

2008-10-02 Thread Jon Phillips
On Thu, 2008-10-02 at 12:04 +0200, Nicolas Spalinger wrote:
 Dave Crossland wrote:
  2008/10/2 Ben Weiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  can you tell me the degree to
  which cchost 4 was hacked (ie, the through-the-web interface
  was not used) to set it up for OFL? I'm really struggling, in
  the absence of docs, to get my head around cchost 5.
  
  AFAIK the only significant delta between ccHost 4 release and OFLB's
  ccHost is that the OFL license plugin was added, and the text in the
  theme was changed to be about fonts instead of music. Alex and Nicolas
  might also be able to comment on this.
 
 
 Hi guys,
 
 I should have time this week-end to clean up and publish my OFL
 integration patch along with some installation documentation... (A few
 path and variables had to be adjusted against v5 trunk).

It would be great to get this somewhere public before weekend is over.

 IIRC there were other changes in the rest of the site:
 some xml files (like guidelines.xml) were also modified to turn ccHost
 from a music-oriented site to a fonts-oriented site.

Yes, right, but nothing core ccHost was modified. Everything is just
skins, plugins, and xml files.

 Could someone with access to the OFLB server please provide a dump of
 the current db (and a tarball of the vhost) so we can look at the
 configuration? Thanks.

I can't get to until sat. beijing time. Is this ok?
 
  the v4 docs pages warning me that v5 will be different!
  
  http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Preparing_for_ccHost_5.0 may help

Tis true! If you post up what you have done publicly somewhere, then I
can look at as well...

I want to do the move to ccHost 5 and see where we are at...victor
showed me how before, so I just need to do a test of...and doing OFLB
might be much easier before doing OCAL...

Jon

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Re: [Openfontlibrary] cchost5 and OFL

2008-10-02 Thread Jon Phillips
On Thu, 2008-10-02 at 11:23 +0100, Ben Weiner wrote:
 Hi there,
 
 Nicolas Spalinger wrote:
  Hi guys,
 
  I should have time this week-end to clean up and publish my OFL
  integration patch along with some installation documentation... (A few
  path and variables had to be adjusted against v5 trunk).

 I may not need it in publishable condition...
  IIRC there were other changes in the rest of the site:
  some xml files (like guidelines.xml) were also modified to turn ccHost
  from a music-oriented site to a fonts-oriented site.

 OK. For starters, I'm looking for a method in the TTW interface that 
 allows me to add file types. Is that part of your patch?
  http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Preparing_for_ccHost_5.0 may help
  
 Only if you know 4. I was /hoping/ to skip it ;-)

You can add filetypes in the admin pages. 

Jon

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