Re: [OpenFontLibrary] press for oflb?
Great! Thanks Phil! Who else can help spread the word? Dust off those blogs and let the world know about our project! Jon On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Philipp Kammerer phil...@p3k-design.dewrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Good morning everybody, Jon Phillips wrote: Hi, can some people on this list help by blogging about open font library 0.5 and spreading the news? Certainly. I posted about OFLB on D* yesterday. You can find the entry among my other posts: https://wk3.org/u/p3kdesign The direct link: https://wk3.org/posts/389037 But the post-view is sometimes buggy and might not look too nice. Have a nice day, Phil -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iEYEARECAAYFAk/+gzMACgkQc7dt7OAI1bCpYgCg2YHj25crW+YLMfe8A5BDaFZ6 +PAAnAwYefFE7vg/2Egp4z2czvFyeuNq =O4mO -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Jon Phillips 王✳爻气 http://fabricatorz.com ✳ skype: kidproto ✳ irc: rejon +1.415.830.3884 (global) ✳ +86-187-1003-9974 (beijing)
[OpenFontLibrary] press for oflb?
Hi, can some people on this list help by blogging about open font library 0.5 and spreading the news? We can do dev all day until we are blue in the face, but who cares if no one knows about the work. If anyone on this list with a blog or access to some twitter or facebook or identi.ca can help, would appreciate promoting the release: Here is our blog post about the release: http://fabricatorz.com/2012/07/open-font-library-release-0-5 Who else can help blog and spread the word about this? https://twitter.com/openfontlibrary/status/222411763868639232 https://twitter.com/openfontlibrary/status/222503545243570177 Geez, we only have 52 followers on twitter. Maybe no one cares about this project? Is that possible? Also, if you guys have not seen, http://freebassel.org. Bassel, the inventor of Aiki Framework has been detained in Syria for 4 months without a reason! We need to fight hard to get him out, get more publicity for the project and grow! Cheerz Jon -- Jon Phillips 王✳爻气 http://fabricatorz.com ✳ skype: kidproto ✳ irc: rejon +1.415.830.3884 (global) ✳ +86-187-1003-9974 (beijing)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Fwd: [Press] PRESS RELEASE: Open Font Library Release 0.5: Calling All Translators and Typophiles
0.6, good question :) We need more users of the fonts, more social features and more outward facing stuff IMO. More translations will help, but also think if we can see more developers using the fonts, we are going to be in an even better position. We should circle back and update the launchpad. Also, any bugs found, please file everyone! I love releases!!! Jon On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 4:44 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: Thanks Jon! What do you suggest we do for 0.6? -- Jon Phillips 王✳爻气 http://fabricatorz.com ✳ skype: kidproto ✳ irc: rejon +1.415.830.3884 (global) ✳ +86-187-1003-9974 (beijing)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFLB 0.5 Goals
It would be great to have your help. More coming soon. Are you on the launchpad for the site? http://launchpad.net/openfontlibrary Jon On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org wrote: On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 10:07:52PM -0700, Dave Crossland wrote: 2. Ellen is a web user in Spain who wants to translate 100% of the Open Font Library into Spanish. She visits the site and sees a clear invitation to start contribution translations. She is taken to a guidebook page that explains the process, and she follows the instructions. In the 0.6 release 100% of the site is translated into Spanish thanks to Ellen, and she is clearly credited on the site and in the Press Release/Announcement information. I'd be interested in testing this, specially for right to left support, in case you want any testers. Regards, Khaled -- Jon Phillips 王✳爻气 http://fabricatorz.com ✳ skype: kidproto ✳ irc: rejon +1.415.830.3884 (global) ✳ +86-187-1003-9974 (beijing)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFLB 0.5 Goals
Dreams can come true! Thanks Dave for continuing to work with us. And, look forward to the momentum continuing this month. Jon On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: Hi! Here are the 5 goals I want to meet for 0.5: 1. Alice is a web user who visits http://openfontlibrary.org/en/font/alegreya and sees that the foundry link points to http://openfontlibrary.org/en/font/www.huertatipografica.com.ar; which is an obvious 404 error. She looks for a link to report a problem with that page, finds it easily because it is near the content with an error, and she clicks it. She is taken to a page that explains how to report a problem and how long it will typically take. 2. Ellen is a web user in Spain who wants to translate 100% of the Open Font Library into Spanish. She visits the site and sees a clear invitation to start contribution translations. She is taken to a guidebook page that explains the process, and she follows the instructions. In the 0.6 release 100% of the site is translated into Spanish thanks to Ellen, and she is clearly credited on the site and in the Press Release/Announcement information. 3. Bob is a skilled professional PHP+MYSQL web developer who has never heard of Aiki before. He visits Open Font Library and sees on every page an invitation to contribute to the next release. He clicks the invitation and is taken to a page in the guidebook that clearly explains how to get a copy of the current site's source code running on his local machine, how to stay in sync with other developers, and how to contribute his patches so that they ship in the next release. Where to meet and chat to other developers online is clear. Where bugs and features requests are tracked is clear. Bob follows the instructions, and his patch is included in the 0.6 release. 4. Charlie is a type designer in Turkey who wants to contribute Turkish glyphs to fonts in OFLB that need them. He visits the font page of his favorite families and finds a character map section that tells him what language coverage is like for various scripts, and which characters are missing to bring the font up to 100% coverage of languages it has begun supporting. He doesn't know what to do next, but sees an invitation to contribute to the font family. He clicks the link and is taken to a guidebook page that explains how to find the designer's contract information on a font family page and how to start a collaboration effort with a designer. 5. Daniela is a graphic designer who attended a lecture about libre fonts and has made her first font that she wants to share with the world. She doesn't know anything about licensing or what is required to make a public release of a libre font. She visits OFLB and sees an invitation to upload and share a font. She clicks the invitation and is taken to a guidebook page that clearly explains the whole process, how long it will take, what she will need to do to prepare the upload, and then ends with a clear link taking her to the upload process start page. She uploads her font. At the end of the upload process she is taken to a guidebook page that explains how to make updates to her font. I've hired Fabricators to develop the Aiki-based OFLB site to make these stories become true :-) -- Cheers Dave -- Jon Phillips 王✳爻气 http://fabricatorz.com ✳ skype: kidproto ✳ irc: rejon +1.415.830.3884 (global) ✳ +86-187-1003-9974 (beijing)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] font assimilation
So the fonts are updated quiet often? That would be great to have an automated upload and refresh to the files on open font library. Spencer, please wait until we hear back a response on this. It might make sense to build this script first. I want to asses how hard it is first before proceeding. Thanks! Jon On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:01 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: On 10 April 2012 08:09, Jon Phillips j...@fabricatorz.com wrote: Great, lets get them up! I've tasked one Fabricator, Spencer, to upload all the google web fonts. I publish updates to the fonts in the GFD collection every week, so this ought to be semi automated... its a lot of fonts. 1 download them all and update them all with scripted HG commands $ hg pull 2 remove GFD specific fluff (METADATA files, md5sum files, and the manually generated subset files, something like this, $ rm */METADATA */md5sum */*.latin* */*.greek* */*.cyrillic* */*.vietnamese*; 3. zip each directory, $ zip -r9 $dir $dir; 4 upload the ZIPs to the OFLB upload form page using curl - http://curl.haxx.se/docs/httpscripting.html 5 as an advanced feature, the script should extract the description, designer name, category, and license from the METADATA files and use that in step 4 6 another advanced feature would be for the script to do an md5sum of the ZIP and store that somewhere, and then each time the script is run it would check the new ZIPs md5sums and only upload updates that have changed -- Jon Phillips 王✳爻气 http://fabricatorz.com ✳ skype: kidproto ✳ irc: rejon +1.415.830.3884 (global) ✳ +86-187-1003-9974 (beijing)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] font assimilation
I totally think making a list of fonts that exist and are compatible with the site, and bringing them into the repository, and hopefully the creators of the fonts, is a useful exercise. Please do! We are releasing 0.4 today! Its already up! Who can help get pre-existing fonts into the collection? http://openfontlibrary.org/en/guidebook/existing_libre_open_fonts We need a better page like http://openfontlibrary.org/guidebook/requests We need more librarians to help update the guidebook. It needs love! It is editable by librarans and admins. Who is interested in helping? Jon On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 4:53 PM, vern adams v...@newtypography.co.uk wrote: On 28 Mar 2012, at 09:41, Robert Martinez wrote: It appears that google has no other business than to hoarde OFL licenced fonts. That's a funny way to word it :) i think you'll find the google webfont directory is simply a library of mostly OFL licensed fonts, made accessible via google's very smart font API. The fonts themselves are freely available apart from the google API, e.g via fontsquirrel.com -v Then there are collections like movable type http://theleagueofmoveabletype.com/ waiting for their assimilation. My impression is that once the new OFLB is up we will have to feed a huge amount into the system. Here is my question: Are there planned efforts to easily swallow other collections - or will we rely on manual input? -- Jon Phillips 王✳爻气 http://fabricatorz.com ✳ skype: kidproto ✳ irc: rejon +1.415.830.3884 (global) ✳ +86-187-1003-9974 (beijing)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] font assimilation
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 3:34 AM, Barry Schwartz chemoelect...@chemoelectric.org wrote: Jon Phillips j...@fabricatorz.com quotes this exchange: On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 4:53 PM, vern adams v...@newtypography.co.uk wrote: On 28 Mar 2012, at 09:41, Robert Martinez wrote: It appears that google has no other business than to hoarde OFL licenced fonts. That's a funny way to word it :) i think you'll find the google webfont directory is simply a library of mostly OFL licensed fonts, made accessible via google's very smart font API. The fonts themselves are freely available apart from the google API, e.g via fontsquirrel.com Google does not simply hoard existing fonts, but provides versions tailored to use on the web, in Google’s OSes and applications, etc. This is definitely the case with my own fonts, where I have provided them with TrueType versions not available elsewhere, and where they have made improvements for Google Reader that I have not (to date) backported. Can you provide those sources to us, or are they available on google webfonts? That is good to know there is value add. I wonder what the license is on those sources. Did you have to sign an agreement to license them to google separately so they can create derivatives at will? Jon -- Jon Phillips 王✳爻气 http://fabricatorz.com ✳ skype: kidproto ✳ irc: rejon +1.415.830.3884 (global) ✳ +86-187-1003-9974 (beijing)
[OpenFontLibrary] Fwd: planet.freedesktop.org
fwiw -- Forwarded message -- From: Mike Cooper myth...@osuosl.org Date: Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 2:32 PM Subject: Re: planet.freedesktop.org To: Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org I upgrades all 3 sites to the new Venus planet code. I just copied the configs over from the old instances. I left the old code in the sample place, in case you need to go back and get something. The new stuff is in /var/www/$site/venus. A few sites in the configurations gave errors when they were updating, so I commented them out. You should probably go look at the *.ini files to see if you can bring back any of those sites. Enjoy --Mike On 06/23/2010 04:16 PM, Jon Phillips wrote: Excellent...the configs are in SVN too...I believe...also, can you update the http://planet.openclipart.org/ and the http://planet.openclipart.org/news both are running the same old software. Thanks man :) Jon On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Mike Cooper myth...@osuosl.org wrote: Oops, I meant the planet create.freedesktop.org, not planet.freedesktop.org . I got your email from an old ticket dealing with this planet (create.freedesktop.org) . It, oddly enough, was also dealing with the planet not updating for some reason. I am going to upgrade create.freedesktop.org to Venus, so that it actually works. I will let you know when it is done and updating again, that way you can look over what is being pulled into the planet since it stopped working so long ago. Most of the configuration will port right over, so don't worry about that. --Mike On 06/22/2010 01:40 PM, Jon Phillips wrote: Do I control those? I only control planet.openclipart.org and planet.openfontlibrary and the main http://create.freedesktop.org which are planets. Can those be upgraded? For freedesktop.org, talk to keith packard and the other site wranglers please. Jon On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Mike Cooper myth...@osuosl.org wrote: Jon, I noticed today that the cron job that updates planet.freedesktop.org has been failing since about March. This coincides with us upgrading the version of Python on that machine that runs it. After some digging it seems that the software that was running the planet site before (planetplanet) has fallen out of development and isn't getting updated to the new version of Python. There is however a fork of the project called Venus that should work as a replacement. The fact that this has gone on so long leads me to believe that maybe planet.freedesktop.org has fallen out of use. Is this the case? If so then I can shut down the cron jobs and that particular site. However, if you would like I could try and update planetplanet to Venus so that the planet site will live again. Please let me know what you would like to do with this site, --Mike Cooper Student System Adminstrator OSU Open Source Lab -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ http://status.net/ http://rejon.status.net + skype: kidproto +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.187.1003.9974 (china)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Path to Completion of Open Font Library
Dave has the admin password and can mail to you offlist...however, we should limit how many have admin access soon ;) hahaha We can create other user levels...like librarians for adminswe have with ocal and it works well. But you hack, so you get! Jon On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:40 AM, Ben Weiner b...@readingtype.org.uk wrote: Hi, On 7 Jul 2010, at 00:33, Jon Phillips wrote: The site is at http://testvm2.openfontlibrary.org We've already set up the installation, with dave leading the charge on this. Thanks man! Thanks for this and the Launchpad tickets. Everything's getting professional very quickly ;-) Is there a way to get a user name for the aiki site? Ben -- Ben Weiner | http://readingtype.org.uk/about/contact.html +44 (0) 7780 608 659 -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ http://status.net/ http://rejon.status.net + skype: kidproto +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.187.1003.9974 (china)
[OpenFontLibrary] Path to Completion of Open Font Library
Hi all, I've been talking over with AikiFramework.org friends Bassel and Christopher, and then have talked with Dave about this. So, here's what we are going to do. Dave, Bassel, Christopher and myself are going to bust out work hard and get an Aiki-based solution up and done asap by Monday, July 19. We of course would love to have help with this. We hang out in #openclipart #aiki We need to port over the current site. We have all the scripts to do this from converting Open Clip Art Library. We just need action. Also, we are going to use this for tracking bugs: https://launchpad.net/openfontlibrary The site is at http://testvm2.openfontlibrary.org We've already set up the installation, with dave leading the charge on this. Thanks man! Let us know if you want to help out! We are in IRC. Attack! Here is the plan of attack: (1) Setup Aiki on test instance (DONE, thanks to Dave!) (2) Make feature parity with current openfontlibrary.org (we need to make sure and have an assessment of this on the wiki. Dave + Rejon) (3) Import old database (bassel) (4) install beta tag at top of the site towards the bug tracker (Christopher) (5) test out the site for review and hopeful conversion to live (Christopher + All) We are in IRC right now if you want to help out! We want to get this tech stuff and management stuff out of the way so that everyone can focus on making awesome fonts. We've had great success with Open Clip Art Library, so now lets replicate and explain/show everyone here how to power-up with Aiki + Open Font Library :) Jon -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ http://status.net/ http://rejon.status.net + skype: kidproto +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.187.1003.9974 (china)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Path to Completion of Open Font Library
The site has 4 key features at the moment: 1. Users can upload a font family as a ZIP file, and the ZIP is unzipped on the server so both the ZIP and the files in the ZIP have URLs 2. Visitors can view a directory listing of fonts on the site 3. Visitors can view a profile page for each font family on the site, showing: 3a. Download links to the ZIP and individual files (JPEG/PNG are rendered in the page) 3b. An @font-face based preview of the font and a @font-face snippet generator 3c. A markdown-processed DIV with the contents of a FONTLOG.txt if included in the ZIP 4a. Users can mark a font family as a derivative of another font familiy on the site when they upload it 4b. Visitors see the family tree of a font family Great! All converted to action: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openfontlibrary/+bug/602502 (notice the 3 projects all helping each other) Jon -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ http://status.net/ http://rejon.status.net + skype: kidproto +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.187.1003.9974 (china)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Open Font Library v3: Drupal?
I am just adding a vote of confidence here. Aiki conversion of openclipart created all the scripts and techniques for converting a ccHost based site to Aiki, like OCAL. Bassel and others from OCAL can help with that, make it solid. I will make sure that an Aiki conversion happens, if that is selected as the driection, since I'm focusing on AikiFramework.org now. I think that swapping everything out for yet-another-cms like drupal would be a waste of time, when there are devs who would help, and pieces already ready for the conversion. We only stopped working on this when it appeared that the ccHost site was 90% complete pre-LGM. Let us know. Let's get it done for realidad. Jon On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Christopher Adams ch...@raysend.com wrote: The evident success of the Open Clipart Library would speak well to the prospect of deploying OFLB the same way. I know that more sites are coming online using aikiframework. The system has good momentum and the developers are hungry for more projects. +1 for Aiki - - christopher adams ℡ +886-953-036-630 TECHNE-RAYSEND.COM On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Robert Martinez m...@mray.de wrote: I have *some* experience with drupal. I strongly believe that OFLB can benefit from it since drupal really has its focus on communitites and is pretty mature and established (already in V6 imho). I have no information about Aiki and cannot compare it to drupal in terms of features or technical details. But there is one thing that in my eyes makes a huge diffrerence; by using drupal we offer lots of other people to easiliy participate in a familiar system. So all I want to note here is: +1 for drupal On 06/30/2010 07:23 PM, Dave Crossland wrote: Hi, When the site gets broken, the error message asks people to email me about it so I fix it. When I do this, I email people back and ask them if they are PHP developers and would like to help contribute. One of the kind souls who replied to this is Ron Williams of www.lithicmedia.com who is a PHP website developer who has volunteered on the Drupal core codebase. I spoke to him on the phone yesterday for about an hour and a half about the OFLB and his ideas for a new version based on Drupal. Ron showed me some of his work, which I like - http://www.tmgcustommedia.com/ http://codyfisher.com/ - and explained how he's hoping to contribute to projects with a long term impact, and he believes web fonts will become increasingly important in the next few years, so he'd like to join the OFLB effort. I took a look at what's coming with Drupal 7.x - http://drupal.org/node/774926 - and the new file_load(), file_save(), and file_validate() functions and hooks sound ideal for us. The built-in version control of nodes looks good too, and jQuery UI is baked in. The drush shell program also looks good, allowing us to script the bulk import of fonts into the site. I'm actually surprised at how much Drupal has evolved in recent years, I last used it in 2004 and heard earlier this year it still had a bad reputation. I also see the Software Freedom Law Center is supporting the core team. Since Jon Philips has withdrawn from OFLB, we've kinda lost the link to Aiki, and I'm happy to use Drupal. Thoughts? :-) -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ http://status.net/ http://rejon.status.net + skype: kidproto +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.187.1003.9974 (china)
[OpenFontLibrary] @rejon Next Steps...
Hi all, I wanted to let you know that I'm stepping back from various projects right now to so I can focus on my main involvements: Status.Net, Fabricatorz.com, and AikiFramework.org I primarily have stayed on here because I wanted to make sure the site transition happened. I talked with Dave about this at LGM, and I think its best for me and the community that I step back from any real or fake responsibilities I have with Open Font Library community. You guys have far more knowledge about fonts, and with the new site nearly complete, I feel like its a great time to support the leadership Dave is providing for the project and all the amazing work you guys are doing. So, effective immediately, I am stepping back from the project completely. Of course, I will be very supportive. If there is the need for advise, I'm always available. Also, if after the conversion, there is a desire to move to aiki, myself and bassel would be very supportive of helping the move to Aiki Framework. Anyway, I'm so excited post-LGM, I want to make sure to say that you guys all rock! I am so excited to see such a big focus on fonts and the open font movement! Its sooo cool guys! See you on the internets :) Jon -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ http://status.net/ http://rejon.status.net + skype: kidproto +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Meeting with Jon Phillips
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:56 AM, fontfree...@aol.com wrote: I wanted the group to know that I had a very positive meeting with Meeting with Jon Phillips yesterday in San Francisco. We discussed openfontlibrary, my new open font website in development, and numerous websites Jon and I are working on which have nothing to do with fonts. (web based vector design software, social networking, tech law, and more) In person, Jon is MUCH more down to earth than I had expected. Hahaha. Oh geez, my online persona is that bad? ;) We dined on canned peaches and a Charlston Chew. Eric Way (FontFreedom) Yes, always great to meetup! Jon -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ http://status.net/ http://rejon.status.net + skype: kidproto +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Server Side SVG
rsvg On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 11:37 PM, fontfree...@aol.com wrote: So, what was the name of that server side svg renderer written in C which you were mentioning today? C and C++ are my favorite tools to develop websites with, btw... PHP certainly has it's place, but apparently mere mortals are able to code in PHP as well. --Eric Way -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ http://status.net/ http://rejon.status.net + skype: kidproto +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OpenFontLibrary Digest, Vol 52, Issue 7
Thanks Eric, we all really appreciate that! Jon On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:36 PM, fontfree...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/14/2010 12:00:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, openfontlibrary-requ...@lists.freedesktop.org writes: From: Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com Subject: Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OpenFontLibrary: Proposed Meeting in San Francisco To: Open Font Library openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org Message-ID: o2z2285a9d21004132125t60b2ac4dg1bf01f5384422...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi, I will be in SF for TUG.org conference in June, I think, and up north for fontconf.com. For all of May (well, from the 8th) I will be in Brussels for LGM. What do you want to discuss? Pointing openfontlibrary.com to .org? :) Regards, Dave Dave! Ooops! I just did that...Openfontlibrary.com is now pointed to openfontlibrary.org. Dang, maybe it was just an accident...won't really know till...I...make up my mind... Eric Way fontfreedom at aol .com AIM: Fontfreedom -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ http://status.net/ http://rejon.status.net + skype: kidproto +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] upload requirement: correct licence meta information
its a hard one. The ideal scenario is to have humans help review. Jon 2010/3/9 Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com: On 9 March 2010 21:44, Robert Martinez m...@mray.de wrote: Is it possible to reliably check for licence meta information in the font files? I think we do check this pretty well. Ben would know best... -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ internet: @rejon + skype: kidproto +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Phone conversation with Ed Trager
aiki 2010/3/8 Robert Martinez m...@mray.de: On 03/08/2010 04:47 PM, Ed Trager wrote: Hi, everyone, On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/8/10, Dave Crossland wrote: Ed thinks about replacing ccHost with a custom webapp. To set the record straight, like many of you I've been wondering all these months what the holdup was with the cchost prototype? I contributed a bunch of code to that, and naturally would like to see the fruits of my labor --as well as the fruits of the labors of so many others-- realized. So this puzzlement was really the genesis of my conversation with Dave. And my suspicion going into the conversation was: is cchost part of the problem? Also, I was thinking is cchost the right platform for what we want to do? So, I was thinking, let's explore an alternative pathway: What do we want to do? Write that down as an outline. If the most important parts of what we want to do are simple and straightforward, then let's just write a custom web app to do it. But note that such a custom web app would still capitalize on stuff that we already collectively know how to do well anyway: i.e., PHP with MySQL and, on the Javascript side, jQuery. Also, for the login and security aspects I was thinking about using OpenId (OpenId.net). Also, I've been working on a bunch of jQuery-based code for web applications in my day job, and have also been thinking of using OpenId for some web apps in my day job. So I was visualizing how I might be able to apply and reuse some of what I have been doing in my paid work toward the OFLB project. Now if Aiki is a really good solution to the problems, then I won't argue against it. But is it a really good solution or not? I don't yet know, because I only heard about it yesterday when talking with Dave, and I don't yet know anything else about it. In the end, I only argue for using the right tool(s) for the job. So that could be Aiki or something else. But it looks more and more like cchost was really not the right tool, and from what I understand, modifying and customizing cchost was very laborious and frought with bugs. Ed suggests just talking about OFLB v2 again for the 4th time at LGM? Umm ... I wasn't even at LGM in the last couple of years ... Ed is offering to cut the code for this, so, don't be mean to him. :-) What's the point of being mean when I can be nasty? :) It's OK, Alexandre, I'll take it if you agree to let me dish it out too :-) Alexandre - Ed Was it ever considered to use drupal and enhance it? Ed seems to know it, and I got the feeling there are plenty of PHP savvy people here. In terms of reusing a live community and popular code base it might be a good idea. Just a thought! Please don't lynch me for bringing that up if it was a bad idea :) Robert -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ internet: @rejon + skype: kidproto +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] FontConf - the unconference on @font-face and web fonts.
Very cool! It might be able to be arranged :) On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Garrick Van Buren garr...@kernest.com wrote: I'm organizing an unconference on web fonts @font-face use - http://fontconf.com If you're passing through St. Paul, MN this summer - I'd love to have someone lead a session on the OFLB and the OFL (and related licenses). Details @ http://fontconf.com Thanks. --- Garrick Van Buren 612 325 9110 garr...@kernest.com --- Kernest.com Free and Commercial Web Fonts --- On Mar 10, 2010, at 10:56 PM, Khaled Hosny wrote: On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 05:00:57PM -0600, Barry Schwartz wrote: Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org skribis: Well, things are changing now with the advent of LuaTeX, thanks to its backward compatibility, it is taking slowly over TeX world (see ConTeXt for example, which is being rewritten in Lua), unlike ANT which never gained momentum. ANT, written almost entirely by one guy in an actual programming language, never gained momentum because people have had their minds numbed by TeX and glorified assembly languages. We have had issue after issue after issue of TUGboat, year after year, devoted to newer and more intricate ways to drive a nail with a sponge. The appeal is understandable; give me a chance to write in an assembly language, when I was still capable of such things, and I could get lost in it. Even fontforge is written in a mere glorified assembly language that is the main reason the program crashes, crashes, crashes, because the compiler is happy to compile stupid things that an OCaml compiler would never come close to accepting and which no one should have to worry about in 2010 in an application. I was not saying ANT is not good (well, I know no OCmal anyway), I'm just saying that in a very conservative world like TeX, if you don't maintain some level of backward compatibility (LuaTeX isn't fully backward compatible), people will not adopt your engine. BTW, AFAIU, Knuth didn't want to have a programing language in TeX; the macros was intended for users designing the layout of their books, every one was expected to write their own extended TeX engine in pascal, but nobody did :) This is all kind of off-topic, but it is too easy to get sucked into bit twiddling. Bit twiddling is a curse on mankind. OFLB can have all kinds of bells and whistles, but some graphic design and an effort to appeal to actual, non-TeXie font-users have made League of Moveable Type a more productive place to post fonts, from my point of view wherein, frankly, TeXies can be taken for granted. They'll use anything capable of doing text, even if it is buried under three layers of tarballing in an ftp directory on an obscure host. :) Back to the main point, lets just hope OFLB v2 will ever be online, then we can discuss all sorts of improving it, but I don't think it makes any sense right now. Regards, Khaled -- Khaled Hosny Arabic localiser and member of Arabeyes.org team Free font developer -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ internet: @rejon + skype: kidproto +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Phone conversation with Ed Trager
Dudes, we are relaunching OCAL 2.0 monday PST, and we are getting huge traffic and making great strides. Aiki is awesome, and we could easily port current awesome design, and ccHost, since we know how to do it, and get the same response IMO. My company has been doing the work, Fabricatorz.com, with Bassel running the whole thing. So, IMO, cchost is over and done, long live aiki. At this point its about doing the work, and we are in a configuration to do this, access ready, and system in place. S, the best thing we could get to make this real is support, filing bugs, and compensation for ronaldo and bassel's time, if we want to accelerate this. Of course, compensation is not a blocker, just nice icing. At the end of the day, i think we could turn around OFLB in 2 weeks, and get the same work burst, same look, and all the features desired of the current site. I would scrap any new new features for now, and push towards having OCAL 2.0 and OFLB 2.0 done by LGM2010 so we can stop talking talking and doing doing what we want, making great fonts and community. Anyway, let's get it doneof course, open to discussion about it. I don't really see any other viable timely options. ccHost dev is dead. Writing a new webapp is a death sentence for OFLB. The best option is to copy what we did for ocal, open up launchpad for oflb, and unite behind aiki as the core, since we know how and built aiki to handle just this type of content site. Cheers and I'm excited!!! Jon On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: On 8 March 2010 04:26, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/7/10, Dave Crossland wrote: Ed thinks about replacing ccHost with a custom webapp. Ed suggests just talking about OFLB v2 again for the 4th time at LGM? Ed is offering to cut the code for this, so, don't be mean to him. :-) -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ internet: @rejon + skype: kidproto +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Phone conversation with Ed Trager
We are in a productive mode these days, and I think making conversion to aiki is going to be faster and better longer term than working on a dead codebase, with a system that requires limited access to our main server. The point with Aiki is to allow various levels of access from the web to enable people rather than lock out with arcane codebase and limited server access. Jon On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Schrijver e...@authoritism.net wrote: But I don’t understand what is holding back just launching the ccHost version—why did I see a functioning prototype a year ago? Are there some hurdles that are proving difficult, and that could be overcome by scrapping it for a different system? Jon I admire your spirit and I think it is great you are willing to do this; (and congrats on the OCAL launch!) the thing I am a bit scared of is that in shifting systems you will run into unforeseen delays all over again; and right now the site just needs to be up, no? Eric Op 8 mrt 2010, om 10:46 heeft Jon Phillips het volgende geschreven: Dudes, we are relaunching OCAL 2.0 monday PST, and we are getting huge traffic and making great strides. Aiki is awesome, and we could easily port current awesome design, and ccHost, since we know how to do it, and get the same response IMO. My company has been doing the work, Fabricatorz.com, with Bassel running the whole thing. So, IMO, cchost is over and done, long live aiki. At this point its about doing the work, and we are in a configuration to do this, access ready, and system in place. S, the best thing we could get to make this real is support, filing bugs, and compensation for ronaldo and bassel's time, if we want to accelerate this. Of course, compensation is not a blocker, just nice icing. At the end of the day, i think we could turn around OFLB in 2 weeks, and get the same work burst, same look, and all the features desired of the current site. I would scrap any new new features for now, and push towards having OCAL 2.0 and OFLB 2.0 done by LGM2010 so we can stop talking talking and doing doing what we want, making great fonts and community. Anyway, let's get it doneof course, open to discussion about it. I don't really see any other viable timely options. ccHost dev is dead. Writing a new webapp is a death sentence for OFLB. The best option is to copy what we did for ocal, open up launchpad for oflb, and unite behind aiki as the core, since we know how and built aiki to handle just this type of content site. Cheers and I'm excited!!! Jon On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: On 8 March 2010 04:26, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/7/10, Dave Crossland wrote: Ed thinks about replacing ccHost with a custom webapp. Ed suggests just talking about OFLB v2 again for the 4th time at LGM? Ed is offering to cut the code for this, so, don't be mean to him. :-) -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ internet: @rejon + skype: kidproto +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china) -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ internet: @rejon + skype: kidproto +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] New Ubuntu Font
If someone drafts an email, I will join on and make sure it gets to shuttleworth and jono...we should try to engage them constructively. Jon Phillips us. +1-510-499-0894 cn. +86-134-3957-2035 http://rejon.org http://fabricatorz.com On Mar 5, 2010 7:32 AM, Garrick Van Buren garr...@kernest.com wrote: On Mar 5, 2010, at 9:25 AM, Nicolas Spalinger wrote: I think it's up to us as a community to thin... Excellent. I completely agree and am increasingly of opinion that commissioned-then-openly-licensed fonts will be the primary model for the majority of font development moving forward. --- Garrick Van Buren 612 325 9110 garr...@kernest.com --- Kernest.com Free and Commercial Web Fonts ---
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Pc.de New Fonts
Why don't you try to convince him first. Jon Phillips us. +1-510-499-0894 cn. +86-134-3957-2035 http://rejon.org http://fabricatorz.com On Feb 26, 2010 8:58 AM, Garrick Van Buren garr...@kernest.com wrote: Here's Sergiy's response ...Under preliminary arrangements these fonts shouldn't will available as OpenSource, these fonts can will available only with the price equal $0.00, and all rights to drawing belong to me Based on that I think the PC.DE fonts should be removed from the OFLB. --- Garrick Van Buren 612 325 9110 garr...@kernest.com --... Just noticed the “Pc.de New Fonts” submitted by erielarsonor: http://openfontlibrary.org/media/f...
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Pc.de New Fonts
But, please someone follow up with the guy so he understands the issue...we have to break the shaming and nuking before reaching out that happens in Free Software so often...most of the time folks are just confused. Jon On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: On 26 February 2010 18:08, Peter Baker b.ta...@gmail.com wrote: Just noticed the “Pc.de New Fonts” submitted by erielarsonor It sounds to me as if he doesn't understand Open Source: if he did he wouldn't have posted a font on OFL He didn't post them, though. I'll hide the file now. -- Regards, Dave -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ internet: @rejon + skype: kidproto +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] A preview of the fonts on OFL (includes a backup of nearly all fonts and a way to download them)
Cool! Why don't we just install your script on the server and make it a cronjob? Also, please make a link to the original file locations on the site and a link to all the fonts too for each font listing. That would be very cool addition! Dave and Ben are meeting on monday in London to talk about the site. I met with dave last week too and talked about iteager to move it forward, but keep everything together when possible! Jon On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 4:50 AM, Robert Martinez m...@mray.de wrote: Iwan Gabovitch wrote: In case the link is down or you want to have the stuff on your hard drive, I created a .7z http://www.box.net/shared/3740jtfyrb (17MB) thanks, your zip is very handy! -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ internet: @rejon + skype: kidproto +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china) Sent from San Francisco, CA, United States
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] A preview of the fonts on OFL (includes a backup of nearly all fonts and a way to download them)
Cool, but I totally support efforts like Iwan's to push through our blockages...In fact, I hope we can support these efforts more on our site(s) too. Nicholas, do we have a package of our fonts? I have software which can do the packaging and we can put into a cronjob. Anyone interested in this? Jon On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Nicolas Spalinger nicolas_spalin...@sil.org wrote: [...] I also wonder, what are the chances of adding a tool into OFL to create previews of all font files and then adding the previews to the browse and font pages? Best regards Iwan Thanks for your efforts in providing previews. The tools which Ed Trager has worked on for the OFLB (pango-cairo-font-playground) provide support for generating previews beyond what convert from imagemagick currently allows us to do. Should allow us to get rid of the questions marks and empty boxes... :-) So integrated previewing is underway and will be available on the live site hopefully soon. BTW, OFL is the license and OFLB is the library :-) People who are yet not aware of it may also be interested by the review we run weekly for all the fonts in Debian: various metadata fields and to-be-improved previewing too: http://pkg-fonts.alioth.debian.org/review/ Cheers, -- Nicolas Spalinger, NRSI volunteer Debian/Ubuntu font teams / OpenFontLibrary http://planet.open-fonts.org -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ internet: @rejon + skype: kidproto +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china) Sent from San Francisco, CA, United States
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] A preview of the fonts on OFL (includes a backup of nearly all fonts and a way to download them)
svn checkout https://svn.openclipart.org/public/openclipart/packager/trunk packager But, that is configured for clipart currently. Bonus points if someone wants to genericize the package to work for fonts to at OFLB. Its architected pretty general and can just take in the big folder and package everything up into RPMs, DEBs, ZIPfiles, etc...so could do a release every month! Also, would anyone want to take on this task to help do monthly release of the fonts? Setting up a cronjob is a nice way to keep it always happening, and save like the last 30 days of files at a time in the package, then just take the 1st of the month and make a new package! For those who don't have access yet and want to contribute: http://openclipart.org/wiki/Developer_Management#New_Developers Cool! Jon On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: Where can we downloadthat software? On 13 Feb 2010, 11:01 PM, Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org wrote: Cool, but I totally support efforts like Iwan's to push through our blockages...In fact, I hope we can support these efforts more on our site(s) too. Nicholas, do we have a package of our fonts? I have software which can do the packaging and we can put into a cronjob. Anyone interested in this? Jon On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Nicolas Spalinger nicolas_spalin...@sil.org wrote: [...] ... -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ internet: @rejon + skype: kidproto +1.415... -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ internet: @rejon + skype: kidproto +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china) Sent from San Francisco, CA, United States
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] epic fail: French Anti-Piracy Organisation Hadopi Uses Pirated Font In Own Logo
Oh, what a great story for the open font library planet. Jon On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Nicolas Spalinger nicolas_spalin...@sil.org wrote: Chris Lilley wrote: Hello, An object lesson in being sure that fonts are used within the terms of their license. The design agency for Hadopi, the French agency overseeing the controversial 'three strikes' law that removes Internet access from households after three illegal download warnings, itself used a copy of an exclusive corporate typeface design made for France Telecom, stolen copies of which have appeared on warez sites. (The other font used was also unlicensed, but is at least *available* for licensing, and a copy was purchased some two months after the logo went into use). http://fontfeed.com/archives/french-anti-piracy-organisation-uses-pirated-font-in-ownlogo/ Hi Chris, Oh the delicious irony... I also really hope the buzz around this will result in more people becoming aware of the need to always respect the upstream designer's license whatever it may be: libre/open or more restricted as an exclusivity for a particular entity. Never assume but make an effort to look at the metadata. More details on the font family itself: http://www.typofonderie.com/alphabets/view/Bienvenue/?lang=en and the upstream designers: http://www.typofonderie.com/profile BTW, glad to see that the W3C discussions around fonts have led to a recognition of the need for metadata: DRE instead of DRM. Cheers, -- Nicolas Spalinger, NRSI volunteer Debian/Ubuntu font teams / OpenFontLibrary http://planet.open-fonts.org -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ internet: @rejon + skype: kidproto +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china) Sent from Wellington, Wgn, New Zealand
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] openfontlibrary.fontly.org down
cool, can you update here on what it will take? I find myself here at LCA in wellington with some spare cycles with andyfitz and some others...also wheels moving on some ocal upgrades. Good work sir! Jon On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: Hi, I sorted the redirect on openfontlibrary.fontly.org today, only to hear from Raph that the server got hacked and he will take it down for a full reinstall very shortly. Therefore I've changed the DNS so that openfontlibrary.fontly.org is a CNAME for openfontlibrary.org, and made a note to check for 404s in the HTTPD logs for some hand crafted redirects in a week or so. And I've copied off the essential data to the testvm.oflb.org server which I've made good progress with, but I'm about to drop offline for a week. I'll spend another little while with it and see how far I get -- Regards, Dave -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china) Sent from Wellington, Wgn, New Zealand
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] broken download page in Firefox?
Dave, can we get that htaccess up please? thanks Jon On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: Hi Emma! The fontly.org site is a beta for showing off the new site, its not 'real', so yes its buggy as hell: I am working on getting the new site ready for launch, and fully documented so that contribution is straightforward. This list will be the first to know when its sorted :) Cheers Dave -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china) Sent from Wellington, Wgn, New Zealand
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Tying wiki and library identities
Paul, what's your username. I can give you admin access to help defeat spamming. I think at this point, we just want to get the site done to be honest and possibly install more filters if necessary on the wiki. Cheers Jon On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 7:46 AM, Paul Flo Williams p...@frixxon.co.ukwrote: Are there plans to tie identities between the wiki and the library itself? I ask because the wiki is getting a lot of spam from people who are clearly registering with the sole intention of posting links to get a hooky degree sites. I was thinking that it might be an idea to stop spam by only approving accounts for the wiki when someone has either uploaded a font or at least introduced themselves on the mailing list. (Actually, at this stage I'd be tempted to grab a backup of the pages and start afresh with a new version of MediaWiki and clean user list.) -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china) Sent from San Francisco, CA, United States
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Greetings - 1st post
Great Dave. Cool, we will probably have some overlap in china, so lets sync up...dopplr or tripit.com holla! :) Jon 2010/1/7 Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com: From my phone: Ill do the htaccess in 24 hours, sure. Great work on the upload fix! I won't be at lca, will be in tokyo last 2 weeks of february, and shanghai/guangzhou first/last half of march, and kerala in april, and cape town before lgm, where I will be. Probably summer in uk, after that, not sure. On 7 Jan 2010, 12:29 PM, Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org wrote: Ok, cool. You will be LCA? I'm supposed to go to...maybe good work session. I'm trying to get that patch in place to fix uploads on OFLB right now. But, Dave, can we please put up an htaccess on the fontly site for now and direct traffic to the main site. If the new site can go up faster, than even better than spending time on htaccess. Jon On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: 2010/1/6 Schrijver e...@a... -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035... -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china) Sent from San Francisco, CA, United States
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Fwd: PT Sans licensing query
Yes, dual licensing is a good legal pathway in this case. Jon On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: Hi, Thoughts? I think this is okay and worth encouraging; does anyone have any other suggestions for me to pass on to Emil? :-) -- Forwarded message -- From: Yakupov, Emil Date: 2010/1/7 Subject: RE: PT Sans licensing query To: Dave Crossland Hi Dave, Hope you enjoy you tour in New Zealand. I also just come back from skiing in Bulgaria. Returning to our licensing question. When I told about my concern I meant not only possible future changes on OFL, but mostly possible changes in our minds. First of all -- we are going to distribute the fonts via Microsoft. I'm asking MS to consider possibility to include the fonts into one of the next recommended updates and I'm not sure that they will agree to bundle the font with OFL which is not modifiable. We also think about other similar channels and while some of them like to have exactly OFL, I can imagine that some of them who offer commercial software will not. And also you are right Russian-English aspect is the main and the most critical. In any case we need to present the License that fully corresponds in terms and statements to Russian federal low in the area of protection of intellectual property -- Chapter 4 of the The Civil Code. I think that the best and most flexible way will be the following. We place on our site, on the site of Federal Agency and on the sites of local governments of Russian Federation the distributive set that is bundled with Russian license that will play the role of main EULA together with supplementary English version which will serve information purposes. I place the draft English version below for you information. At the same time, if you agree, we will write on our site that the fonts are also available under SIL OFL and those who would like to bundle the fonts with for example Linux systems may get the OFL version of the font by a special request. OFL version will have the link to http://scripts.sil.org/OFL_web. Best Regards Emil FYI - FREE FONT LICENSING AGREEMENT for the fonts with Original Name: PT Sans GRANT OF LICENSE ParaType Ltd. grants you the right to use, copy, modify the fonts and distribute modified and unmodified copies of the fonts by any means, including placing on Web servers for free downloading, embedding in documents and Web pages, bundling with commercial and non commercial products, if it does not conflict with the conditions listed below: - You may bundle the font with commercial software, but you may not sell the fonts by itself. They are free. - You may distribute the fonts in modified or unmodified version only together with this Licensing Agreement. You have no right to modify the text of Licensing Agreement. It can be placed in a separate text file or inserted into the font file, but it must be easily viewed by users. - You may not distribute modified version of the font under the Original name or а combination of Original name with any other words without explicit written permission from ParaType. TERMINATION TERRITORY This license has no limits on time and territory, but it becomes null and void if any of the above conditions are not met. DISCLAIMER THE FONT SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED AS IS, WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ANY WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT OF COPYRIGHT, PATENT, TRADEMARK, OR OTHER RIGHT. IN NO EVENT SHALL PARATYPE BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY, INCLUDING ANY GENERAL, SPECIAL, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF THE USE OR INABILITY TO USE THE FONT SOFTWARE OR FROM OTHER DEALINGS IN THE FONT SOFTWARE. ParaType Ltd http://www.paratype.ru -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china) Sent from San Francisco, CA, United States
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Greetings - 1st post
Ok, cool. You will be LCA? I'm supposed to go to...maybe good work session. I'm trying to get that patch in place to fix uploads on OFLB right now. But, Dave, can we please put up an htaccess on the fontly site for now and direct traffic to the main site. If the new site can go up faster, than even better than spending time on htaccess. Jon On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: 2010/1/6 Schrijver e...@authoritism.net: first priority is to get away from the situation with 2 sites, just get something working out of the door… And then open up to commiters… I am blocking progress with this, and apologise; I am going to be in a city and have net access from the weekend for a week with nothing else but to sort this out. -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china) Sent from San Francisco, CA, United States
[OpenFontLibrary] OFLB file uploading fixed
Ok, I added the fix from OCAL and now file/font uploading works on the live open font library again...so embarrasing, but fix in place! Please upload fonts!!! Jon -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china) Sent from San Francisco, CA, United States
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OneClickOrgs beta - our environment is now ready
Sure, not sure status of this :) I like structure, but I like working website a lot more :) Jon 2009/12/11 Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net: Le vendredi 11 décembre 2009 à 11:20 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit : Le vendredi 11 décembre 2009 à 10:01 +, Ben Weiner a écrit : Hi Nicholas, Hi, http://nim.fedorapeople.org/repo-font-audit-fedora-devel-20091128T2150 22Z.tar.xz Like it. Where can I get the scripts that do the font-related tests? http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/fontpackages.git (If someone want to tweak it I can give commit access) Archive releases here btw https://fedorahosted.org/releases/f/o/fontpackages/ -- Nicolas Mailhot -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china) Sent from San Francisco, CA, United States
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Greetings - 1st post
pick up shovel. On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/5/10, Bassel Safadi wrote: Hi vernon, welcome to open font library we are uploading a new version of open font library now. Are we? Really? Wow, I thought at the next LGM we would be only talking about it again :) Alexandre -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china) Sent from San Francisco, CA, United States
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Greetings - 1st post
Nothing should stop fonts coming in. I don't like how we are splitting traffic and confusing people having a live site and test site though. I propose we put htaccess on the fontly site and redirect to the live site for now. Ocal is doing the same and it promotes confusion. Should do... Jon Phillips us. +1-510-499-0894 cn. +86-134-3957-2035 http://rejon.org http://fabricatorz.com On Jan 5, 2010 12:55 PM, Joshua A.C. Newman jos...@joshuanewmandesign.com wrote: You have the shovel. There are exits to the North and East. -J On Jan 5, 2010, at 3:51 PM, Jon Phillips wrote: pick up shovel. On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 12:4... Joshua Newman Design http://joshuanewmandesign.com/ 401.225.7222
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Greetings - 1st post
Lets get going :) Jon On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/5/10, Jon Phillips wrote: pick up shovel. Which means exactly what? :) Alexandre -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china) Sent from San Francisco, CA, United States
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Greetings - 1st post
fcuk. high priority to fix. On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Paul Flo Williams p...@frixxon.co.uk wrote: Nothing should stop fonts coming in. I don't like how we are splitting traffic and confusing people having a live site and test site though. The broken upload script on openfontlibrary.org is stopping fonts coming in. -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china) Sent from San Francisco, CA, United States
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Greetings - 1st post
Michi (and Bassel), isn't that the same bug you fixed michi? Michi, since you are admin, can you fix this for us? That is just intermediate fix. We don't like ccHost anymore, so looking into that...and have some funding under our asses now to get these things fixed. Jon On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org wrote: I agree. That is unacceptable. Jon On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Daniel Johnson il.basso.bu...@gmail.com wrote: Not too high, apparently. This was first reported about 5 months ago. On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org wrote: fcuk. high priority to fix. -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china) Sent from San Francisco, CA, United States -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china) Sent from San Francisco, CA, United States
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Greetings - 1st post
I believe so, but dev. has stalled on it...so power to the commiters! Jon On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Antonio Roberts anto...@hellocatfood.com wrote: Just to be sure, isn't this the beta of openfontlibrary? http://openfontlibrary.fontly.org/ If so, is the design still heading in that direction? Ant 2010/1/5 Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org: Michi (and Bassel), isn't that the same bug you fixed michi? Michi, since you are admin, can you fix this for us? That is just intermediate fix. We don't like ccHost anymore, so looking into that...and have some funding under our asses now to get these things fixed. Jon On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org wrote: I agree. That is unacceptable. Jon On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Daniel Johnson il.basso.bu...@gmail.com wrote: Not too high, apparently. This was first reported about 5 months ago. On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org wrote: fcuk. high priority to fix. -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china) Sent from San Francisco, CA, United States -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china) Sent from San Francisco, CA, United States -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china) Sent from San Francisco, CA, United States
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] PT Sans
weird, did anyone email them to try and get them to use OFL? last thing we need is more fragmentation. Jon 2009/12/29 Andrey V. Panov pa...@canopus.iacp.dvo.ru: On 28 декабря 2009, Andrey V. Panov wrote: ParaType type foundry has released PT Sans typeface http://fonts.ru/public/ (the text in Russian, it leads to zip archive). Its license which could be found in TTF names is mostly identical to OFL 1.0. The fonts contain Latin and Cyrillic including extended. In fact their license is based on OFL 1.1. They removed PREAMBLE and DEFINITIONS sections, added has no limits on time and territory, but it to TERMINATION section (TERMINATION TERRITORY in their version) and replaced Copyright Holder(s) with ParaType through the text. Here is ParaType's license: - Copyright © 2009 ParaType Ltd. with Reserved Names PT Sans and ParaType. FONT LICENSE PERMISSION CONDITIONS Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy of the font software, to use, study, copy, merge, embed, modify, redistribute, and sell modified and unmodified copies of the font software, subject to the following conditions: 1) Neither the font software nor any of its individual components, in original or modified versions, may be sold by itself. 2) Original or modified versions of the font software may be bundled, redistributed and/or sold with any software, provided that each copy contains the above copyright notice and this license. These can be included either as stand-alone text files, human-readable headers or in the appropriate machine-readable metadata fields within text or binary files as long as those fields can be easily viewed by the user. 3) No modified version of the font software may use the Reserved Name(s) or combinations of Reserved Names with other words unless explicit written permission is granted by the ParaType. This restriction only applies to the primary font name as presented to the users. 4) The name of ParaType or the author(s) of the font software shall not be used to promote, endorse or advertise any modified version, except to acknowledge the contribution(s) of ParaType and the author(s) or with explicit written permission of ParaType. 5) The font software, modified or unmodified, in part or in whole, must be distributed entirely under this license, and must not be distributed under any other license. The requirement for fonts to remain under this license does not apply to any document created using the Font Software. TERMINATION TERRITORY This license has no limits on time and territory, but it becomes null and void if any of the above conditions are not met. DISCLAIMER THE FONT SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED AS IS, WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ANY WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT OF COPYRIGHT, PATENT, TRADEMARK, OR OTHER RIGHT. IN NO EVENT SHALL PARATYPE BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY, INCLUDING ANY GENERAL, SPECIAL, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF THE USE OR INABILITY TO USE THE FONT SOFTWARE OR FROM OTHER DEALINGS IN THE FONT SOFTWARE. -- Andrey V. Panov http://canopus.iacp.dvo.ru/~panov/ -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china) Sent from San Francisco, CA, United States
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] The wiki
nuke, who is admin. I am, I can make a few people admins to help out. Can you guys help patrol? Jon On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Aaron Spaulding professionalaa...@gmail.com wrote: Reverted, +1 for deleting the spammers account. On Oct 11, 2009, at 2:32 PM, Grzegorz Staniak wrote: Hi, Is there a wiki admin here on the list? Looks like the wiki has been compromised/spammed, go have a lokk at: http://openfontlibrary.org/wiki/Main_Page I don't think that's what's supposed to be the main page Best regards, Grzegorz Staniak -- Grzegorz Staniak gstan...@gmail.com -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china) Sent from San Francisco, CA, United States
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] latest?
Well, our VM is in order, just needs to get rocked out. Highest priority on fixing upload though, right? Michi how did you fix??? Thanks for helping. Jon On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 3:55 AM, Ben Weiner b...@readingtype.org.uk wrote: Hi all, Jon Phillips wrote: All is well Dave, personal stuff takes precedence and I hope that all will be well soon...you know I've had my share this year... I'll see what I can do here in the coming day/week. One thing to do is to hand off those responsibilities to Ben and/or someone else who has some time to pick up the slack...I'll do what I can to move things forward too. OK, great. Though I'm happy to wait another little while for Dave to get his VM in order ;-) Happier doing that than doing the VM stuff myself, that is... Cheers, Ben -- Ben Weiner | http://readingtype.org.uk/about/contact.html -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china) Sent from San Francisco, CA, United States
[OpenFontLibrary] latest?
What's the latest on things fellas on the site? -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china) Sent from San Francisco, California, United States
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] latest?
ok, seeing if the fix we applied to OCAL can be done to OFLB. BTW, we are considering/working on a move to a new framework, http://aikiframework.com And, are always in #openclipart if you guys want to work on somethings. jon On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Daniel Johnson il.basso.bu...@gmail.com wrote: What's the latest on things fellas on the site? Uploads on the production site remain broken. Cheers, Daniel_J -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china) Sent from San Francisco, California, United States
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] latest?
All is well Dave, personal stuff takes precedence and I hope that all will be well soon...you know I've had my share this year... I'll see what I can do here in the coming day/week. One thing to do is to hand off those responsibilities to Ben and/or someone else who has some time to pick up the slack...I'll do what I can to move things forward too. Cheers! Jon On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: Hi, I am blocking progress, and I apologise totally, since I am letting the whole project down, but sadly I have had girlfriend drama and responsibilities to my family I have to take care of over the summer and haven't been at a computer much. Basically I need to do a documented install of cchost on the testvm, install the oflb theme and ed's tools, and migrate the fonts from v1. Regards, Dave On 2 Oct 2009, 8:52 PM, Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org wrote: What's the latest on things fellas on the site? -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china) Sent from San Francisco, California, United States -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china) Sent from San Francisco, California, United States
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] oflb is back
Great! Is there anything we can do to insure this doesn't happen again...too embarrasing :( Jon Phillips +1.415.830.3884 (global) +86.134.3957.2035 (beijing) j...@rejon.org On Sep 11, 2009 4:00 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, We are back again :) Alexandre
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Downtime / What to do about it??
What would really help is if you point that url's DNS to osuosl like openclipart, then it can function as a backup. Otherwise, please transfer the name to one of us like Dave, myself, Nicholas, etc. That would be helping. Jon On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 4:13 PM, fontfree...@aol.com wrote: I happen to be feeling a bit frustrated with the openfontlibrary.org downtime. I'm considering frame forwarding openfontlibrary.net to http://openfontlibrary.fontly.org, but I don't really want to pull the DNS off OSUOSL if OSUOSL is going to do something about making http://www.openfontlibrary.net work as a backup as would have hoped it would have during openfontlibrary.org downtime. I HAVE NOW put up a new status message containing a link to http://openfontlibrary.fontly.org on http://www.openfontlibrary.com so that people fumbling around by domain looking for openfontlibrary can at least find the beta site while the main site is down. FontFreedom **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! ( http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=115bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=115bcd%0A=JulystepsfooterNO115 ) -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china) Sent from San Francisco, California, United States
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Downtime / What to do about it??
All is well Alexandre. Thanks for your hard work all the time my friend :) Jon On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 3:13 AM, fontfree...@aol.com wrote: I happen to be feeling a bit frustrated with the openfontlibrary.org downtime. FYI there is a thing called weekend. This is usually two last days of a week, namely Saturday and Sunday. This is when people take rest from previous five days of madness called solving other people's issues. So when you mail domain service around 8pm on Friday to tell them they didn't really passed control on the domain name to a new company chances are that the mail will be read on Monday morning only. Probably morning. This is how the world works. Alexandre -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china) Sent from San Francisco, California, United States
[OpenFontLibrary] Fwd: PHP error on live website
Hi all, any progress on this and/or the new site...I will have a bit more time this month to help out...would like to of course see the site go live. Jon -- Forwarded message -- From: Daniel Johnson il.basso.bu...@gmail.com Date: 2009/8/6 Subject: [OpenFontLibrary] PHP error on live website To: Open Font Library openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org The old website is erroring out when uploading a file. When trying to update a font, I get this error: /var/www/openfontlibrary.org/htdocs/cclib/cc-fileverify.php(226): Uninitialized string offset: 0 [2009-08-06 17:30 pm][127.0.0.1][/media/file/replace/735] I first noticed this at about 10:30 a.m. Eastern time today, and it is still happening. The zip file being uploaded has been verified to not be corrupted. Cheers, Daniel -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] AdBard?
Go for it...but seems slightly ironic somehow that ads are still ads unless they have free software friendly advertisers. More resources, means more work done ... Jon Phillips +1.415.830.3884 (global) +86.132.6817.8381 (beijing) j...@rejon.org On Jun 3, 2009 8:59 AM, Raph Levien raph.lev...@gmail.com wrote: I have no objections. On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Ed Trager ed.tra...@gmail.com wrote: Seems reasonable to me...
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] http://testvm.openfontlibrary.org/
Ok, actually Ben and Ed, I think better for you guys to login and look at testvm, and import the site into OFLB SVN. I need to step back from this right now for some high priority projects that I have to do to pay the billz. Jon On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 3:54 AM, Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org wrote: Ok, then I'll just import the stuff. There is a script in the bin folder of ccHost which moves ccadmin. Yes, I'll document the steps on the public wiki like I did on ocal: http://openclipart.org/wiki/Website_Development I'll do it when I do the re-update. But really, need others to try and do their own local setup afterwards...ok, I'll just plow ahead...the dump and import is going to slow me down like 3-5 days I bet... Jon On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 3:46 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: 2009/5/12 Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org: On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 3:23 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: 2009/5/12 Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org: Heya guys, with victor's help and some tweaking, got OFLB up on the test site to a good state. I'm not seeing any errors, I'm not seeing any documentation :-( Without documentation we can't welcome contributors. Ok, so I will import the custom templates and things into the SVN that osuosl setup ok? Yes :-) Where do you want that to live? /var/www/openfontlibrary.org/public/openfontlibrary/www/openfontlibrary_files And, can you past the SVN modules for import from the test server you guys have been running so I can get the commands run by OSUOSL please? I don't understand what you want :( I'll write the documentation up on the update. I can't write documentation when experimenting with how to get this installed properly. Ideally, please keep a document of every command that you ran when installing the site. My HOW_THIS_SITE_WORKS.txt is a start at documenting the installation process, done this way. In my experience, if I wait until the installation is all done and then write a general summary, I forget important details. need to add some svn:externals fun so the custom files are updated this way as well :-) must remember to always move the ccadmin folder out of the way upon svn up as well. We should have a shell script at /var/www/openfontlibrary.org/UPGRADE.sh which does this. Yes, we need to get to this point before going live. Get me the things I ask for above, and I'll do that next. If you want the history of the old SVN maintained, please do an svn dump of the svn used on oflb at fontly, and make sure I can access it from that account you gave me. The fontly install has a shared account, openfontlibrary, so you have the same access as everyone else there :-) Then, I will have to have an osuosl admin import it into the osuosl repo so that it the history is maintained, make sense? Why can't we import it into the OSUOSL repo? If you don't care about history, then can just import the files right now into OFLB SVN on OSUOSL. The history is not that important, although keeping it would be ideal. -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86 132-6817-8381 (china) Sent from Missouri, United States -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86 132-6817-8381 (china) Sent from Beijing, China
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Site terminology: Fonts/Typefaces
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Sounds solved. Next. :) Jon Phillips +1.415.830.3884 (global) +86.132.6817.8381 (beijing) j...@rejon.org On May 13, 2009 7:01 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: We do have a mixed usage at the moment
[OpenFontLibrary] http://testvm.openfontlibrary.org/
Heya guys, with victor's help and some tweaking, got OFLB up on the test site to a good state. I'm not seeing any errors, but I really need you guys to look at and see if all is well: http://testvm.openfontlibrary.org/ If all is well, then I will take the main site offline, backup the DB, and then restart the process of updating the current site, then will have OSUOSL move DNS to the new Virtual Machine they setup for the site. At that point, then will turn off the site maintenance screen, and the new site will be live. Then, I suggest banging on it for another 3-5 days, then can roll out the plan for press. What is next after that? Is there code that needs to be added or updated, or access??? Also, I had an idea to sync with Mozilla folks about web-fonts, and doing press around that and OFLB as a big boost pre firefox 3.5. if interested, I can lay some groundwork with friends there. Thoughts? Dave, have you updated the roadmap or plans on this? I might be slightly off here on what you guys have discussed, but want to make sure the site goes live and you guys have enought keys to hit the ground running Cheers! Jon -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86 132-6817-8381 (china) Sent from Missouri, United States
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] http://testvm.openfontlibrary.org/
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 3:23 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: 2009/5/12 Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org: Heya guys, with victor's help and some tweaking, got OFLB up on the test site to a good state. I'm not seeing any errors, I'm not seeing any documentation :-( Without documentation we can't welcome contributors. Ok, so I will import the custom templates and things into the SVN that osuosl setup ok? Where do you want that to live? And, can you past the SVN modules for import from the test server you guys have been running so I can get the commands run by OSUOSL please? I'll write the documentation up on the update. I can't write documentation when experimenting with how to get this installed properly. Plus, I neeed to write some docs for the setup internally, and how to setup locally for a developer, like I did for OCAL. Yes, will do. The highest priority if you want this done is to look at the site and tell me what is ready or not ready. okay? After you get me the SVN stuff, then will update so that its as simple as svn up at the root of the install at OSUOSL. Right now, ccHost updates fine this way, but need to add some svn:externals fun so the custom files are updated this way as well. And, must remember to always move the ccadmin folder out of the way upon svn up as well. I'll look at it now and won't change anything and try to write up how it works. Ok, how it works is not nearly as important and what is or is not working so I can take this to being live. The main question for me is: Can we do an svn up on the ccHost directory to upgrade the ccHost code, while keeping our openfontlibrary_files directory managed by our SVN repository? Yes, we need to get to this point before going live. Get me the things I ask for above, and I'll do that next. If you want the history of the old SVN maintained, please do an svn dump of the svn used on oflb at fontly, and make sure I can access it from that account you gave me. Then, I will have to have an osuosl admin import it into the osuosl repo so that it the history is maintained, make sense? Then, I'll make the SVN repo work on the testvm site, so changes there get picked up via svn up. Also, will svn switch the working directories on the fontly test setup so that if you guys or ben wants to change there and commit, then can update the code on the osuosl site. If you don't care about history, then can just import the files right now into OFLB SVN on OSUOSL. Let me know. I'm trying to remove myself as a bottleneck here as fast as possible, but making documentation at this point isn't going to help this right now, just getting SVN and looking at what is or is not working on testvm will help...but mainly svn. Jon -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86 132-6817-8381 (china) Sent from Missouri, United States
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] http://testvm.openfontlibrary.org/
Ok, then I'll just import the stuff. There is a script in the bin folder of ccHost which moves ccadmin. Yes, I'll document the steps on the public wiki like I did on ocal: http://openclipart.org/wiki/Website_Development I'll do it when I do the re-update. But really, need others to try and do their own local setup afterwards...ok, I'll just plow ahead...the dump and import is going to slow me down like 3-5 days I bet... Jon On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 3:46 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: 2009/5/12 Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org: On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 3:23 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: 2009/5/12 Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org: Heya guys, with victor's help and some tweaking, got OFLB up on the test site to a good state. I'm not seeing any errors, I'm not seeing any documentation :-( Without documentation we can't welcome contributors. Ok, so I will import the custom templates and things into the SVN that osuosl setup ok? Yes :-) Where do you want that to live? /var/www/openfontlibrary.org/public/openfontlibrary/www/openfontlibrary_files And, can you past the SVN modules for import from the test server you guys have been running so I can get the commands run by OSUOSL please? I don't understand what you want :( I'll write the documentation up on the update. I can't write documentation when experimenting with how to get this installed properly. Ideally, please keep a document of every command that you ran when installing the site. My HOW_THIS_SITE_WORKS.txt is a start at documenting the installation process, done this way. In my experience, if I wait until the installation is all done and then write a general summary, I forget important details. need to add some svn:externals fun so the custom files are updated this way as well :-) must remember to always move the ccadmin folder out of the way upon svn up as well. We should have a shell script at /var/www/openfontlibrary.org/UPGRADE.sh which does this. Yes, we need to get to this point before going live. Get me the things I ask for above, and I'll do that next. If you want the history of the old SVN maintained, please do an svn dump of the svn used on oflb at fontly, and make sure I can access it from that account you gave me. The fontly install has a shared account, openfontlibrary, so you have the same access as everyone else there :-) Then, I will have to have an osuosl admin import it into the osuosl repo so that it the history is maintained, make sense? Why can't we import it into the OSUOSL repo? If you don't care about history, then can just import the files right now into OFLB SVN on OSUOSL. The history is not that important, although keeping it would be ideal. -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86 132-6817-8381 (china) Sent from Missouri, United States
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] http://testvm.openfontlibrary.org/
If you want to help me, please recreate some of those files on OFLB wiki now and start updating the roadmap on the wiki, and prepping outline of the press release about this. Then, what else has to be done before public launch? A fire should be lit under that stuff too so that this launch can happen pre-moz-ff 3.5 jon On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 3:54 AM, Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org wrote: Ok, then I'll just import the stuff. There is a script in the bin folder of ccHost which moves ccadmin. Yes, I'll document the steps on the public wiki like I did on ocal: http://openclipart.org/wiki/Website_Development I'll do it when I do the re-update. But really, need others to try and do their own local setup afterwards...ok, I'll just plow ahead...the dump and import is going to slow me down like 3-5 days I bet... Jon On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 3:46 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: 2009/5/12 Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org: On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 3:23 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: 2009/5/12 Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org: Heya guys, with victor's help and some tweaking, got OFLB up on the test site to a good state. I'm not seeing any errors, I'm not seeing any documentation :-( Without documentation we can't welcome contributors. Ok, so I will import the custom templates and things into the SVN that osuosl setup ok? Yes :-) Where do you want that to live? /var/www/openfontlibrary.org/public/openfontlibrary/www/openfontlibrary_files And, can you past the SVN modules for import from the test server you guys have been running so I can get the commands run by OSUOSL please? I don't understand what you want :( I'll write the documentation up on the update. I can't write documentation when experimenting with how to get this installed properly. Ideally, please keep a document of every command that you ran when installing the site. My HOW_THIS_SITE_WORKS.txt is a start at documenting the installation process, done this way. In my experience, if I wait until the installation is all done and then write a general summary, I forget important details. need to add some svn:externals fun so the custom files are updated this way as well :-) must remember to always move the ccadmin folder out of the way upon svn up as well. We should have a shell script at /var/www/openfontlibrary.org/UPGRADE.sh which does this. Yes, we need to get to this point before going live. Get me the things I ask for above, and I'll do that next. If you want the history of the old SVN maintained, please do an svn dump of the svn used on oflb at fontly, and make sure I can access it from that account you gave me. The fontly install has a shared account, openfontlibrary, so you have the same access as everyone else there :-) Then, I will have to have an osuosl admin import it into the osuosl repo so that it the history is maintained, make sense? Why can't we import it into the OSUOSL repo? If you don't care about history, then can just import the files right now into OFLB SVN on OSUOSL. The history is not that important, although keeping it would be ideal. -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86 132-6817-8381 (china) Sent from Missouri, United States -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86 132-6817-8381 (china) Sent from Missouri, United States
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Site terminology: Fonts/Typefaces
I will just say that most people think of is fonts. So good to use right terms, but also important to consider commaner. Jon Phillips +1.415.830.3884 (global) +86.132.6817.8381 (beijing) j...@rejon.org On May 12, 2009 5:27 PM, Ben Weiner b...@readingtype.org.uk wrote: Hi Dave Crossland wrote: At the LGM2009 Nicolas and I had some discussions about the OFLB termi... I agree with the foregoing, but here is an explanation. Believe it or not, the use of 'Typeface' was very carefully considered, at least when we were thinking about the style and editorial tone of the OFLB. I think we largely succeeded in carrying our decisions through to the site pages and the new wiki docs. 'Typeface' refers to all the members of a visually related font family, so the ccHost 'upload' page became a 'Typeface record' because users are encouraged to produce multiple weights - a family, in other words - and upload them to the same typeface record. Typically the members of the family (each of which would traditionally have been called a 'fount' or 'font') are regular/Roman, bold, italic, etc. There could be different scripts in the family too; as long as they share a common visual style, and by implication a common origin. When we talk about 'fonts' on OFLB we should be referring to the files in which the typeface family members are encoded. Font files can now contain any number of typeface family members, so perhaps these multi-member files should be called 'typeface files' instead. Cheers, Ben -- Ben Weiner | http://readingtype.org.uk/about/contact.html
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] http://testvm.openfontlibrary.org/
Ok all good...just sell on cafepress or something, but wouldn't consider it a blocker. Jon Phillips +1.415.830.3884 (global) +86.132.6817.8381 (beijing) j...@rejon.org On May 12, 2009 4:41 PM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: 2009/5/12 Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org: Ok, then I'll just import the stuff. :-) There is a script in the bin folder of ccHost which m... Okay cool. Yes, I'll document the steps on the public wiki like I did on ocal: http://openclipart.org/wiki... Great! If you want to help me, please recreate some of those files on OFLB wiki now and start updating... Okay, will do. Then, what else has to be done before public launch? A fire should be lit under that stuff too ... After seeing Nicolas' cool OFL T shirt, I want to be able to sell T shirts at the launch to raise money with our nice new logo :-)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] any quick fixes?
Adding the list now :) Ben and Dave, is this borked on the fontly install? I suggest updating cchost to latest trunk on the fontly copy if possible and seeing if breakage. Jon On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Victor Stone fourstones@gmail.com wrote: upload_list_narrow is broken on your install - not sure yet what's going on there, but when I switched it to 'wide' in admin/skins/settings it works ok http://testvm.openfontlibrary.org/files is somebody hacking on ccskins/shared ?? (do make sure svn stat there's no conflicts) I did an update=1 and I got openid table - but I think I broke forms - looking into that... VS On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org wrote: hahaha :) hot. Jon 2009/5/11 Victor Stone fourstones@gmail.com: gimme a few minutes I'm working with Michael on OCAL ;) VS On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org wrote: Another thing I noticed is that the old uploads paths are not updated either when I entered the new testvm.openfontlibrary.org for testing...as asked in the update screens: http://testvm.openfontlibrary.org/ wrd. I'm in missouri! You should get out into the woods...that will help you sleep real well! 2009/5/11 Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org: Ok, fixed the cchost_offline logging/errors folder and that works. had to feed the paths setting a full path. New code is much faster! Cheers Jon 2009/5/11 Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org: wrd Ok, you already are admin, as fourstones. You are super user admin, and also editorial staff ;) I did a fresh install of ccHost with SVN trunk but using the old ccHost installed db from the current http://openfontlibrary.org I started out with fresh custom folder, named openfontlibrary_files on this install. Jon 2009/5/11 Victor Stone fourstones@gmail.com: NYC - can't sleep - I think I'm fourstones btw, there's another problem, looks like you didn't pick up cc_tbl_openids ??? I'll have to look into that too. VS On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 2:44 AM, Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org wrote: will have to fix the offline in the am..what's your user account on there? werd...where you at? Jon 2009/5/11 Victor Stone fourstones@gmail.com: Warning: error_log(../cchost_offline/cc-errors.txt) [function.error-log]: failed to open stream: Permission denied in /var/www/openfontlibrary.org/public/openfontlibrary/www/cchost/cchost_lib/cc-debug.php on line 476 /var/www/openfontlibrary.org/public/openfontlibrary/www/cchost/cchost_lib/cc-template.php(966) : eval()'d code(16): Undefined index: upload_description_plain [2009-05-11 06:40 am][127.0.0.1][/files] two problems - 1. ../cchost_offline/cc-errors.txt is not writable from PHP 2. I need an admin login to detect what's wrong VS On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 2:28 AM, Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org wrote: I did a fresh install for the OpenFont friends at http://testvm.openfontlibrary.org I noticed it used some new code. The update when quite well, got the theme, but appears there is borkage here...any thoughts on fixing? I need to learn new template stuff... http://testvm.openfontlibrary.org/files any pointers good Jon -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86 132-6817-8381 (china) Sent from Missouri, United States -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86 132-6817-8381 (china) Sent from Missouri, United States -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86 132-6817-8381 (china) Sent from Missouri, United States -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86 132-6817-8381 (china) Sent from Missouri, United States -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86 132-6817-8381 (china) Sent from Missouri, United States -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86 132-6817-8381 (china) Sent from Missouri, United States -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86 132-6817-8381 (china) Sent from Missouri, United States
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] New patron, but wants high profile link for small donation?
This is good. He contacted me outside of OCAL as well, and I felt like it was a bit spammy at first. Then, I thought about more and considered it that it would allow for funding development. Is it ok in your opinion to take funds like this and not decide with community consensus how they are spent? I personally feel like if someone donates money through a person, that they can be allocated however the person sees fit. I think Inkscape and some other projects view this differently, but as a web project, I think we have to consider how resources are allocated. I personally would love to see more of this to fund development. I'm not sure how I feel about the main page, but think that smaller irregular sums should be a on a sponsors/patrons page as you have done. For larger, regular sums, they could go on the main page footer or something. I think the main thing is to have an agreement about the dates for this. Jon On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: Hi! Chris Reynolds ch...@webhostingsearch.com contacted Alexandre and I last month, about becoming a sponsor of the site. He would like to donate US$500 in return for some kind of link to his business website. I proposed a link to the site on the patron's page for 6 months, and Chris has made this mock up: http://dave.lab6.com/acid/dump/2009/oflb-patron2.jpg He has also suggested a link on the main page of the old site, while it is up: http://dave.lab6.com/acid/dump/2009/oflb-patron1.jpg The value of affiliate marketing is quite large, and could be a source of income for the project, so I think we should be careful to keep high-visibility advertising copy available to patrons only at a premium. I would prefer to have a linked logo on the patrons page just like the other patrons have. $500 is much less than other patrons have donated, but then, an extra $500 will certainly help Ed Trager spend more time on integrating his work. Thoughts? :-) -- Regards, Dave -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86 132-6817-8381 (china) Sent from Beijing, 11, China
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] New patron, but wants high profile link for small donation?
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: 2009/4/13 Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org: This is good. He contacted me outside of OCAL as well, and I felt like it was a bit spammy at first. Then, I thought about more and considered it that it would allow for funding development. Affiliate marketing is a bit spammy, yes; its for raising their page rank. Is it ok in your opinion to take funds like this and not decide with community consensus how they are spent? I think everything is open to community discussion :-) Right now I'm not sure what else the money would go to, though. We are waiting on Ed, the sooner he can do his bits, the better :-) I personally feel like if someone donates money through a person, that they can be allocated however the person sees fit. Well if *I* donate money, then *I* can say what it is for. But here the donor doesn't care, and so we ought to discuss this, at least a little. I think Inkscape and some other projects view this differently, but as a web project, I think we have to consider how resources are allocated. I personally would love to see more of this to fund development. I'm not sure how I feel about the main page, but think that smaller irregular sums should be a on a sponsors/patrons page as you have done. For larger, regular sums, they could go on the main page footer or something. Okay, the patron's page it will be, then. Chris just said to me, Unfortunately, linking logos has never been something we felt comfortable with. We are more fond of simple text links to our page because we have heard rumors that linked pictures can damage our website reputation and popularity in search engines. + your current patrons will probably prefer if there were less competitive banners on the page. I think the main thing is to have an agreement about the dates for this. Okay. I've said 6 months, what do you think is fair? I've made a link at http://openfontlibrary.fontly.org/patrons 3 months -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86 132-6817-8381 (china) Sent from Beijing, 11, China
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] New patron, but wants high profile link for small donation?
Could treat like fundraiser and have set levels. http://rejon.org/2009/04/seeking-fabricatorz-laoban-sound-system-20-sponsorships/ On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday 13 April 2009, Dave Crossland wrote: Hi! Chris Reynolds ch...@webhostingsearch.com contacted Alexandre and I last month, about becoming a sponsor of the site. He would like to donate US$500 in return for some kind of link to his business website. I proposed a link to the site on the patron's page for 6 months, and Chris has made this mock up: http://dave.lab6.com/acid/dump/2009/oflb-patron2.jpg He has also suggested a link on the main page of the old site, while it is up: http://dave.lab6.com/acid/dump/2009/oflb-patron1.jpg This looks way too spammy in my eyes. Much better to say something like 5. Become a patron to support the project and then a link to the list of patrons. If you do want to mention a name on the front page then it should be something which randomly selects a patron, perhaps as a widget on the side bar, with a text like we thank our following patron for their donation to this project:. And then also have a minimum donated amount to get that privilege, but I have no idea what a good amount would be. Greetings Ben The value of affiliate marketing is quite large, and could be a source of income for the project, so I think we should be careful to keep high-visibility advertising copy available to patrons only at a premium. I would prefer to have a linked logo on the patrons page just like the other patrons have. $500 is much less than other patrons have donated, but then, an extra $500 will certainly help Ed Trager spend more time on integrating his work. Thoughts? :-) -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86 132-6817-8381 (china) Sent from Beijing, 11, China
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFLB at LGM2009?
I'm definitely going. It would be great to have another voice though...I talk too much ;) Jon On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 6:52 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: Hi, I've been putting off my LGM2009 flights/room bookings, and am now at the point where I have to say I really doubt I will be able to go. Since I'd like to have the OFLBv2 progress presented there, I wonder who is definitely going, and would like to to offer help to someone to present OFLB at LGM2009. The single hour slot for a bunch of shorter font talks worked well in the past, so perhaps that should be done again... :-) -- Regards, Dave -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86 132-6817-8381 (china) Sent from Beijing, 11, China
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Logo
Man, that logo is so good! You've really done a great job with it. I'm really impressed. I want to get some shirts made! Jon On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 6:35 AM, Robert Martinez m...@mray.de wrote: Dave Crossland wrote: TODO: favicon :) Can do Sir. :P I'm glad you like the logo, and I hope my CSS does not break anything in the layout. Thanks for integrating it for me. -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86 132-6817-8381 (china) Sent from: Beijing 11 China.
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] openid
ccHost doesn't have openid yet...it would be good to have though!!! On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 12:36 AM, Robert Martinez m...@mray.de wrote: just a thought for the future: we should offer contributors to dodge an extra account creation with support for openID. wikimedia seems to have an extension for this: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OpenID what about the cchost part of the page? -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86 132-6817-8381 (china) Sent from: Beijing Beijing China.
[OpenFontLibrary] GSoC 2009
Would there be any interest in our two projects joining forces to try and get a student each? I can push on this, and think good to try and get someone on this...although ,this year they will more than likely be more picky about organizations... http://socghop.appspot.com/ Jon -- Forwarded message -- From: Aaron Spike aa...@ekips.org Date: Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 1:36 PM Subject: [Inkscape-devel] GSoC 2009 To: Inkscape Devel List inkscape-de...@lists.sourceforge.net, Bryce Harrington br...@bryceharrington.org The time has arrived to apply for GSoC 2009. Since I haven't heard otherwise I'm assuming I will be the admin? I will be completing an organization app soon. Bryce, since you've held this role previously please verbally confirm that you are passing the torch. :-) Aaron Spike -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ Inkscape-devel mailing list inkscape-de...@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] [Open Font Library] Upload Flagged
This is true :) They aren't motivating. And, this is true, we are all volunteering. I'll keep on getting the install ported, and hope you guys will be inspired to help out. :) At the end of the day though, have to get the work done in making the project good, which you Dave, have really taking to the next level with your sponsorship! Jon On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: I'm not sure these challenges are motivating, recalling Gustavo F... we do what we can. On 4 Mar 2009, 7:25 PM, Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org wrote: Ok, I challenge you to lead the audit. I also challenge Raph to help to. At the end of the day, whoever gets this done, and gets the site up I'm looking forward to. I personally will help get the site up asap, and am eager to get this project on regular track(s) as well :) Jon On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Nicolas Spalinger nicolas_spalin...@sil.org wrote: Jon Phillips wrote: Actually, I think we should launch asap. If there are problematic fonts,... -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] SVN updated
ccHost will stay in its SVN repo, then we can use the new openfontlibrary-public repo for the skins, plugins, files, etc... Where are the new files at? Are they not in any SVN repo? Maybe easy right now if I get access to that fontly server to take a look at harmonizing these things...I'm on a roll right now... I'm in #openclipart if you guys want to push on... Jon On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Ben Weiner b...@readingtype.org.uk wrote: Hi, Jon Phillips wrote: Basically, the next steps IMO would be to move the development version of OFLB over to SVN, For the dev instance, we exported ccHost 5.x.x and then checked out the temporary repository into it once it was set up. This seemed the least complex method. The active work has been confined to files under a single directory (which is how ccHost supports customisation). In future, would the whole site be kept in SVN? then can do an svn up on the site when Ben, Dave and I are online to get the site sync'd. When could we do this? I know there is more to do on the dev, but curious on the timeline...I'm sure there are things I should have documented better, but can do in realtime with you guys soon OK, that might be possible in the next couple of days. Not sure I'll be needed though. Thanks, Jon. Cheers Ben -- Ben Weiner | http://readingtype.org.uk/about/contact.html -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] 2009 TEXT LAYOUT AND TYPOGRAPHY WORKSHOP / MEETING SURVEY
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Ed Trager ed.tra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Eric, No decision yet. I suspect that LGM is probably the preferred venue, but I don't really have enough data to back that assumption. So if a few more people want to voice their preference, then I promise to actually do something. Sorry, I've been completely swamped with other projects, but if people want to help me out by quickly responding to the little survey below, then I think we can move things forward quite quickly :-) = 2009 TEXT LAYOUT AND TYPOGRAPHY WORKSHOP / MEETING SURVEY = (1) VENUE. I PREFER THE FOLLOWING VENUE: [ ] LGM in Montreál 6-9 May 2009 ( http://www.libregraphicsmeeting.org/2009/ ) LGM [ ] Linux Found. Collab. Summit Apr 8-10, 2009 in San Fransisco http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/collaboration-summit [ ] OTHER (write in): __ (2) ATTENDANCE: [ ] I plan to attend. Y [ ] Sorry, can't make it. [ ] I want to be able to follow along remotely via streaming video and IRC, Skype conference call, and/or other digital access technology (3) PRESENTATION TOPICS: [ ] I want to present on (topic): [ ] I can't be there in person, but I want to submit a paper/presentation/video on: (topic): _ (We can arrange to have someone present on your behalf, if you want) [ ] I want somebody to present on:_ I'll do whatever...can help with live hacking. (4) CODE: [ ] I want to hack on (project:) __ during the gathering website! (5) FOOD AND BEVERAGE: Check all that you like or just write in something ... [ ] Sugar Shack [ ] Pizza [ ] Cheetos [ ] Pho [ ] Plaa chu-chi [ ] Kendall Jackson 2004 Taylor Peak Estate Merlot [ ] Gordon Biersch [ ] Unibroue Pizza :) (6) ADD YOUR OWN STUFF HERE: Jon is positve :) Best to everyone -- Ed On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Eric Mader ema...@icu-project.org wrote: Hi, Did the location for the 2009 Text Layout and Typography Workshop ever get decided? Regards, Eric Mader Ed Trager wrote: Hi, everyone, Is there interest in having a Text Layout and Typography Workgroup meeting at this year's upcoming LF Collaboration Summit April 8-10 (Wed-Fri) in San Fransisco? If so, please email back complete with agenda ideas. I will be happy to take the initial lead in organizing an agenda and reserving space with the Collaboration Summit folks if I hear back from interested folks. In order to reserve space, I need to get some kind of ballpark head count, so respond if you are interested. Ideally I'd like to be able to communicate back to the organizers next week so we can reserve space in a timely manner. Best Wishes -- Ed Trager -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] LaunchPad going 100% Affero
I've been thinking maybe good to move ocal bug tracking and features over to launchpad once cchost revisions in...maybe can schedule a day to migrate both ocal and oflb over to using launchpad once we have got the new versions live. This is cool dave. Jon On Jan 30, 2009 11:27 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: Hi, Glad to see that Canonical/Ubuntu Launchpad is being 100% Affero licensed this summer: https://dev.launchpad.net/OpenSourcing Depending on how ccHost fares in the future, perhaps in 2010 the next major revision to OFLB could be based on Launchpad. Cheers, Dave
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Logo
I think the F is most recognizable. Its just the truth on fonts. Even in China this is recognizable. There is always going to be a problem with a character, even if one picks a number or a symbol. Agree, looks good, lock and load. Jon On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Robert Martinez m...@mray.de wrote: Hi there, sorry for the delay. Along with some other issues I had to recover my webpage. I think the input from the mailing list was productive input so far. But the latest idea to use a non-latin character turns out to be more problematic. I tried to fit many non-latin characters to the book, but all characters that are too big in width just don't fit in well. Nor do almost any other characters with a round bottom fit into the groove of the book. This narrows things down quite a bit. But that isn't my main reason for staying with the f. A non-latin character certainly has the charme of a certain place in the world where it is used. But in the end it can and will be interpreted in a way that excludes many people. An ö would exclude non-german speaking people, the ñ would exclude non-spanish speaking people and so on... Then there is the problem that a too venturesome character runs the risk of not being noticed as such. If there is only one strange character, people might just think it is a broken W or a bent P or whatever just to be unique!, or it might even be seen as some abstract form like the nike-hook. Reflecting on all of those issues - and the fact that the f fits nicely to the book and to the meaning font (and the open library beneath it), I would prefer to stay with the standard f that everybody knows and uses. non-messed up links to the latest mockup: http://mray.de/openfontlibrary4.png ..and the SVG: http://mray.de/OFL-logo.svg greetings from Germany, Robert -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ San Francisco + Beijing GLOBAL +1.415.830.3884 - USA 510.499.0894 - CHINA 86.1.360.282.8624 IM/skype: kidproto - Jabber/gtalk: j...@rejon.org http://rejon.org/bio - http://rejon.org/bio/cv - http://rejon.org/projects
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] timeline + going live
On Sat, 2009-01-17 at 09:23 +, Dave Crossland wrote: 2009/1/16 Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org: Let's just set a date, say FEB 18 (SUNDAY), to do a rollout and head towards it. Magazines will follow on what we do. If you guys are into, I'm into pushing on this on multiple levels. Good? Lets get this thing lauched! Sadly I think setting dates sets us up to fail against those dates. Better we just start the promotion when the site is up. The lead time of 3 months or 6 months is fine. Ok, yes, dates don't work so well for open source. Dave, can you lead the charge on updating the roadmap towards launch and then into next 3-6 months? That would be cool, give the launch some shape, and let others on here jump into action. Jon -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ San Francisco + Beijing GLOBAL +1.415.830.3884 . USA +1.510.499.0894 . CHINA +86.1.360.282.8624 IM/skype: kidproto - Jabber: re...@gristle.org http://rejon.org/bio . http://rejon.org/bio/cv . http://rejon.org/projects
[OpenFontLibrary] Fwd: [Inkscape-devel] GSoC2009
I'll be damned! I think we should really try to get this this year. I think we will have best results to join forces and ask for 2 students for OCAL and 2 for OFLB. I know all the folks running this at google and will do my best to see the possibilities...keep all posted! :) -- Forwarded message -- From: Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 3:41 PM Subject: [Inkscape-devel] GSoC2009 To: Inkscape Devel List inkscape-de...@lists.sourceforge.net Hi, From what Leslie wrote in the mentors list it's quite obvious that this year all organizations willing to participate should make an early start to get best proposals, because amount of projects is somewhat cut (no details given at this point) in comparison to last year. Since a number of principal developers had agreed that we indeed should take part at GSoC2009, I've just dared to publish news to encourage potential students looking at list of projects and blueprints and thinking about participating. If you find it necessary to edit the news text, please do so :) Alexandre -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Inkscape-devel mailing list inkscape-de...@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ San Francisco + Beijing GLOBAL +1.415.830.3884 - USA 510.499.0894 - CHINA 86.1.360.282.8624 IM/skype: kidproto - Jabber/gtalk: j...@rejon.org http://rejon.org/bio - http://rejon.org/bio/cv - http://rejon.org/projects
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Relaunch Status?
I agree, I really like this logo. It is a real advancement on the previous. It stands up in b/w and is original. Great work! I really like the layout of it as proposed for the new site too...I think good to adopt it with the redesign! I can see t-shirts a plenty with this cool logo on it! Jon On Sat, 2009-01-17 at 15:50 +, James Weiner wrote: I have to say I really like Robert's logo! despite the angle of the F feeling a little odd at first I think it works for me because it's different and interesting. I think I'm happy with it although maybe seeing some other examples of perhaps more exciting font usage would be good to see. I'm not sure the logo needs to put across ALL the different things OFLB is trying to do - I think that logo is as effective as the OFLB name. Ben and others - your thoughts? James On 17 Jan 2009, at 15:36, Robert Martinez wrote: Dave Crossland wrote: 2009/1/16 Robert Martinez m...@mray.de: I made this for the last contest (but wayyy too late), and after browsing the amazing new page I fiddled around again: http://freegital.de/sites/freegital.de/files/openfontlibrary.png I like it although the font used in the F isn't quite right, the perspective transformation doesn't do it well... but I think it could work nicely if the character in the middle was different, such as an extended latin :-) James and Ben Weiner did the graphic redesign, so I hope they can comment. I'm very interested in what they think, too. Their look is the key - the logo should fit. Concerning the choice for the f - it represents the font, where the book beneath it is the open library part of openfontlibrary. because of that I would prefer not to use a more sexy but unrelated charater. The transformation is a 30° skew, exactly like the book. That indeed gives the letter more surface than an actual rotation in a isometric space. So I tried bold semi-condensed, wich works much better :) http://freegital.de/sites/freegital.de/files/openfontlibrary2.png -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ San Francisco + Beijing GLOBAL +1.415.830.3884 . USA +1.510.499.0894 . CHINA +86.1.360.282.8624 IM/skype: kidproto - Jabber: re...@gristle.org http://rejon.org/bio . http://rejon.org/bio/cv . http://rejon.org/projects
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] timeline + going live
Let's just set a date, say FEB 18 (SUNDAY), to do a rollout and head towards it. Magazines will follow on what we do. If you guys are into, I'm into pushing on this on multiple levels. Good? Lets get this thing lauched! Jon On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 16:05 -0500, Liam R E Quin wrote: I expect this to be complete by the end of the month, but, maybe the end of next month is something to tell magazines and so on if you have that in mind. Generally printed magazines have a lead time closer to 3 months for news items. Or did last time I checked. So press submitted now might make it into March if you're lucky but more likely April or May issues of magazines like Creative Arts, Web Designer, etc. Liam -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ San Francisco + Beijing GLOBAL +1.415.830.3884 . USA +1.510.499.0894 . CHINA +86.1.360.282.8624 IM/skype: kidproto - Jabber: re...@gristle.org http://rejon.org/bio . http://rejon.org/bio/cv . http://rejon.org/projects
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Relaunch Status?
Is there an updated roadmap as well? That would be good to have so others can chip in on site, promotion, howtos, etc. This looks outdated: http://openfontlibrary.org/wiki/Roadmap Jon On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 19:07 +, Dave Crossland wrote: 2009/1/15 Robert Martinez m...@mray.de: I figured out that there seems to be a relaunch for OFL. So what is the status? I'm looking forward to it very much and would like to know when it is going to happen. I'd say end of February to be sure; you can see the beta at http://openfontlibrary.fontly.org :-) -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ San Francisco + Beijing GLOBAL +1.415.830.3884 . USA +1.510.499.0894 . CHINA +86.1.360.282.8624 IM/skype: kidproto - Jabber: re...@gristle.org http://rejon.org/bio . http://rejon.org/bio/cv . http://rejon.org/projects
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Fwd: [CREATE] LGM 2009 update
I think it makes most sense to consolidate and have it at the LGM summit, esp. in this economy. I will try to attend events in SF though, as I live here part of the time. Jon On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 16:12 +, Dave Crossland wrote: 2009/1/15 Ed Trager ed.tra...@gmail.com: For me personally Montreal would be easier to get to. I can't make it to SF :-( -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ San Francisco + Beijing GLOBAL +1.415.830.3884 . USA +1.510.499.0894 . CHINA +86.1.360.282.8624 IM/skype: kidproto - Jabber: re...@gristle.org http://rejon.org/bio . http://rejon.org/bio/cv . http://rejon.org/projects
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] font face firefox friendly?
On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 21:00 +, Dave Crossland wrote: 2009/1/6 fontfree...@aol.com: Dave Crossland wrote: FF3.1 So...you are focusing quite a bit of the new site on a feature not present in MSIE, and only present in a beta version of Firefox. Hopefully more browsers will support this in the future MSIE has web fonts for its DRM format, which the W3C has rejected, so no one else will ever support it. So we have to just wait for IE to support non-DRM formats. Opera's latest beta has support. Safari ships with support for nearly a year. Chrome is rumoured to have support. Web fonts is coming. I agree. This is a GREAT strategy Dave IMO. Looking forward to focusing the launch and press around this. I will help to make sure this really takes off too. Which reminds me, need to press on OSUOSL. Jon -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ San Francisco + Beijing GLOBAL +1.415.830.3884 - CHINA +86.1.360.282.8624 IM/skype: kidproto - Jabber: re...@gristle.org BIO http://rejon.org/bio - CV http://rejon.org/bio/cv
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Norm Walsh's Fonts FAQ
This is cool...yes, if we have anything we can relicense CC BY-SA, lets do it! Jon On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 22:12 +, Dave Crossland wrote: Hi, Happy days. -- Forwarded message -- From: Norman Walsh n...@nwalsh.com Date: 2009/1/6 Subject: Re: Serious Enquiry about maintaining the Fonts FAQ To: Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com writes: I'd be interested in having your Fonts FAQ licensed under a free culture license such as the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 license, which Wikipedia may switch to shortly (because the current WP license, the GNU FDL, is too complex; probably you know all this.) This would be so that our community could bring the FAQ up to date, and publish it on our website. That seems like a good idea. Consider it so licensed. Let me know when you've got it up in a new place and I'll update my pointers. -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ San Francisco + Beijing GLOBAL +1.415.830.3884 - CHINA +86.1.360.282.8624 IM/skype: kidproto - Jabber: re...@gristle.org BIO http://rejon.org/bio - CV http://rejon.org/bio/cv
[OpenFontLibrary] OSUOSL Latest
Hi all, I just talked with Ramareth from OSUOSL about their latest. They have been backlogged on tasks and want to now move Create, Open Clip Art Library and Open Font Library to their own Virtual Machine running Gentoo. This is great for us since we will have more flexibility, can install software, etc. We won't have root, but much more control This won't effect the current plans with Admin / Dev / SVN accounts, but more about our day-to-day and if we need custom software. Our sites put something like 80% load on the infrastructure they are on now, so moving to VM will put us on their cluster infrastructure so they can add more blades as need becool! Cheers all! Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco + Beijing GLOBAL +1.415.830.3884 CHINA +86.1.360.282.8624 http://rejon.org IM/skype: kidproto Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OSUOSL Latest
On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 19:55 +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: 2008/12/9 Jon Phillips wrote: Hi all, I just talked with Ramareth from OSUOSL about their latest. They have been backlogged on tasks and want to now move Create, Open Clip Art Library and Open Font Library to their own Virtual Machine running Gentoo. If that helps finally adding my SSH key after half a year of procrastination, why not? :-) Ha ;) That is like multiple levels of procrastination. I'll take the blame though! Jon Alexandre -- Jon Phillips San Francisco + Beijing GLOBAL +1.415.830.3884 CHINA +86.1.360.282.8624 http://rejon.org IM/skype: kidproto Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OSUOSL Latest
Yes, please do send in the htpasswd all! On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 16:59 +, Dave Crossland wrote: 2008/12/9 Jon Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This is great for us since we will have more flexibility, can install software, etc. We won't have root, but much more control That's great - for the interactive typesetter on oflb.fonly.org we would need to install some server side software. This won't effect the current plans with Admin / Dev / SVN accounts, but more about our day-to-day and if we need custom software. Everyone, please send me a HTPASSWD username/hash for access to the upcoming SVN account! :-) Our sites put something like 80% load on the infrastructure they are on now, so moving to VM will put us on their cluster infrastructure so they can add more blades as need becool! Sounds good :-) Cheers, Dave -- Jon Phillips San Francisco + Beijing GLOBAL +1.415.830.3884 CHINA +86.1.360.282.8624 http://rejon.org IM/skype: kidproto Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OpenFontLibrary] [Fwd: Re: [Cctools-cchost] Wordpress music blogs as Sample Pools]
Hi all, this is another option so those that want to have their own current site based on wordpress and interoperate with open font library which is based on ccHost. FYI! Jon Forwarded Message From: Victor Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jon Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Keston [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Cctools-cchost] Wordpress music blogs as Sample Pools Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:53:10 -0800 On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 2:56 AM, Jon Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, this would be good to get into the documentation on the wiki. http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Cchost/concepts/Sample_Pools#Converting_Wordpress_Blogs_into_Sample_Pool VS - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Cctools-cchost mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/cctools-cchost -- Jon Phillips San Francisco + Beijing GLOBAL +1.415.830.3884 CHINA +86.1.360.282.8624 http://rejon.org IM/skype: kidproto Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Openfontlibrary] ccHost compression
On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 08:20 +, Dave Crossland wrote: 2008/11/3 Ed Trager [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The PHP getId3() library is at http://getid3.sourceforge.net/. It might be worth looking into how to expand this library to recognize the TTF and OTF file headers, perhaps? The idea here seems quite similar to what the *Nix file command does. If someone were to look at the *nix file command source code, I bet you could fairly easily find a reference to the magic file header bytes that are used to detect TTF/OTF files and then add this to the getId3() stuff, assuming that getId3() is well-written. Ben Weiner has been looking at ways to extract metadata from font files directly, but I think he gave up because he couldn't complete it in the time he had to allocate to it. He was looking at the TTX tools for this, I think. Anyway, since none of our files have ID3 tags inside them, it seems to me that OFLB can get rid of getID3() and replace it with a PHP wrapper around the file command, perhaps combined with TTX. getID3() reads/writes metadata to diff. file formats with standard type of metadata per format and not just ID3...that is just for mp3. The project has a bad misleading name ;) Jon ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA + Guangzhou + Beijing GLOBAL +1.415.830.3884 CHINA +86.1.360.282.8624 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org IM/skype: kidproto Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
Re: [Openfontlibrary] Non-Copyleft Openfontlibrary
I disagree. We make it clear what fonts should be under. And, if one submits their fonts and not under the terms allowed, we should delete the fonts and/or look to support the option if their is sufficient uptake for the license after review. The last thing we need is license proliferation, spreading more confusion to users of the site, and incompatibilities between uploaded fonts. The other option is to add a custom field for selecting your own, like what google code project does. We have to ask ourselves the question: take a stand on the licenses, or allow for as many fonts and their licensing quirks as possible, and possible problems. ASIDE: This is one of the reasons why on OCAL we did go only PD ;) I'm not arguing for it. So, we often debate this, but we should come to some general consensus about the goal(s) of the site: * allow as many fonts as possible and develop thriving font community, but with possible confusion * take a stand and allow for only the major 2-3 font license + PD options to serve as beacon of font freedom. Others are doing the great font site well already, but no one does these two options, and I would argue this project is best served as the font community for FLOSSD world. However, one could say that if that is true, we should allow for all fonts possible from FLOSSD and either allow for font licenses or push the font licenses determined as best suited to foster non-proliferation. Ok, this is becoming a new thread. ;) FontFreedom man, you can take credit at least for getting us to talk about these things :) Jon On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 09:24 +, Dave Crossland wrote: 2008/11/4 Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Do not trust the OFLB license labelling. I've updated the site to warn people to check font files themselves, eg, http://openfontlibrary.org/media/files/tarzeau/321 ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA + Guangzhou + Beijing GLOBAL +1.415.830.3884 CHINA +86.1.360.282.8624 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org IM/skype: kidproto Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
Re: [Openfontlibrary] oflb.org and switching domains
Just because of one person we should change urls? I don't agree whatsoever and its bad SEO tech and bad policy to move that easily. Good to have other domains, but all you need is one clear canonical url and not confuse people. Jon On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 12:39 +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Dave Crossland wrote: Hi, I've bought these domains just now: openfontlibrary.info oflb.info oflb.org I suggest we make all the domains redirect to oflb.org and get that promoted as the main URL + easier to type in - not self-explanatory when you see it , then fewer new people will think to go to openfontlibrary.com. Just because of that? Are we *afraid* already? :-) Alexandre ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA + Guangzhou + Beijing GLOBAL +1.415.830.3884 CHINA +86.1.360.282.8624 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org IM/skype: kidproto Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
Re: [Openfontlibrary] Non-Copyleft Openfontlibrary
On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 20:16 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/4/2008 4:07:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However I don't want to see any version of that font being sold for profit or falling under a commercial or proprietary license - or someone making minor modifications and copyrighting them. That would just be allowing someone else to cynically take financial advantage of all my hard work without doing much of anything themselves or it could mean that I couldn't make some improvement in my own font because someone might claim the improvement was already copyright. I'm would be foolish to donate land for a public park without ensuring that and noone could come along, erect a small fence and claim it as their own personal or commercial property. Releasing a font under GPL or OFL license simply ensures the font can freely be used or modified by anyone and that no one can claim proprietary or commercial rights. If somebody does want a similar font to sell under a commercial license I'm perfectly willing to develop one for them for a fair price. My vision is more along the lines of: Someone takes a basic, high quality font with a copycenter license or public domain dedication. They use that as a base, making it into the banana font and Sarah's Swirly Sans Serif, then sells those as commercial fonts. If you look at the programming post, you will see how the best programmers know how to use snippets of other people's work to create their own. I also imagine someone may grab glyphs, etc. from several different open fonts, combine them into one, with their own style... The CC-BY License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ This license requires attribution - and for any *reuse* or distribution, requires that the original license terms must be made clear to others. Does this mean if someone uses a font under this license to print a book (which could be considered a kind of reuse) that the original license terms must be printed or indicated in the book? Does there have to be an attribution? Rejon, you work for CC, can you explain this to us? CC Licenses are somewhat long, have some quirks, and mainly people get confused between CC-BY, CC-BY-SA, CC-BY-SA-ND, etc...I've seen too many webpages content which simply say you may reuse this (whatever it is I created) under a Creative Commons license, but then failing to say which one, which leaves people in the dark as to what the author is saying they can and cannot do with the content. CC discourages use of cc licenses for fonts. I am not a fulltime employee of cc anymore and am only really work on a couple of projects more like freelance/contractor right now for cc. The CC website does a good job of explaining the differences between the licenses far better than I: http://creativecommons.org/about/license/ I would break cc licenses down as: Free (CC BY, CC BY-SA), non-free (the other 4). Then all current licenses require attribution (aka a linkback and/or credit to the author(s). Jon snip / -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA + Guangzhou + Beijing GLOBAL +1.415.830.3884 CHINA +86.1.360.282.8624 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org IM/skype: kidproto Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
Re: [Openfontlibrary] Non-Copyleft Openfontlibrary
On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 11:24 +, Dave Crossland wrote: 2008/11/3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: let people search and filter by licence? That's the essence of the compromise I have suggested. That's a fine feature request...However, I still want there to be an open font site without any copyleft fonts, and which encourages people considering releasing their fonts to use alternatives to copyleft. Please consider selling the openfontlibrary.com and .net domains to me andusing a different domain for this. When ccHost v5 documentation is released, you'll be able to set up a similar site fairly easily. I hope we can work together to federate your site and the OFLB, if your site becomes established. Yet again, I strongly hope we can all work together so there is no need to do any of these things...just keep on keeping on, and expose elements as suggested. Jon ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA + Guangzhou + Beijing GLOBAL +1.415.830.3884 CHINA +86.1.360.282.8624 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org IM/skype: kidproto Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
Re: [Openfontlibrary] Non-Copyleft Openfontlibrary
On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 04:32 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/2/2008 10:26:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 01:17 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The single priority I have for openfontlibrary is: Creating a new openfontlibrary without any copyleft fonts. (and banning any new ones from appearing) Initially, Openfontlibrary was created as a place for fonts dedicated to the Public Domain. Things dedicated to the public domain are not copyleft. On the other hand, anyone can take a public domain resource (in the USA) and re-release it under the GPL, even if they are not the creator. That's where the first GNU tar program came from, for example -- by taking pdtar, without consulting the author. Here in Canada there's no such thing as public domain. Maybe it would be better if OFL made it clear which licence was in use for a given font, and let people search and filter by licence? Liam Canada does indeed have a public domain. In fact, there are even Canadian public domain websites... http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071022-european-copyright-law-used-to-threaten-canadian-public-domain-site.html Yes, agree. There is absolutely a canadian public domain...see one of my projects from cc still working on: http://creativecommons.org/projects/pdwiki Also, in any country that doesn't have or has encumbered PD, CC has coming out: http://creativecommons.org/projects/cczero partially driven by pdwiki and other demands. and let people search and filter by licence? That's a fine feature request...However, I still want there to be an open font site without any copyleft fonts, and which encourages people considering releasing their fonts to use alternatives to copyleft. Yes, ccHost allows this. Jon __ Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA + Guangzhou + Beijing GLOBAL +1.415.830.3884 CHINA +86.1.360.282.8624 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org IM/skype: kidproto Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
Re: [Openfontlibrary] Canadian Public Domain
Yes, that is my project: http://creativecommons.org/projects/pdwiki Jon On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 10:01 -0500, Brendan Ferguson wrote: Here in Canada there's no such thing as public domain. http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/5809 Is my recollection that copyright actually expires before US copyright in canada. I seem to remember that they use to be on par, but that the united states increased there copyright length for some disney character. The above link is to a creative commons project aimed at canadian Public Domain ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA + Guangzhou + Beijing GLOBAL +1.415.830.3884 CHINA +86.1.360.282.8624 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org IM/skype: kidproto Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
Re: [Openfontlibrary] ccHost compression
Yes, I think worthy. We have done this for SVG on http://openclipart.org Its for more than just id3 now ;) Should be more like readWriteMetadataWithPHP() ;) Jon On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 16:46 -0500, Ed Trager wrote: Hi, Brendan, The PHP getId3() library is at http://getid3.sourceforge.net/. It might be worth looking into how to expand this library to recognize the TTF and OTF file headers, perhaps? The idea here seems quite similar to what the *Nix file command does. If someone were to look at the *nix file command source code, I bet you could fairly easily find a reference to the magic file header bytes that are used to detect TTF/OTF files and then add this to the getId3() stuff, assuming that getId3() is well-written. - Ed On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Brendan Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you point me to the page for this script? I would like to read more about it. ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA + Guangzhou + Beijing GLOBAL +1.415.830.3884 CHINA +86.1.360.282.8624 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org IM/skype: kidproto Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
Re: [Openfontlibrary] Non-Copyleft Openfontlibrary
On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 01:17 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The single priority I have for openfontlibrary is: Creating a new openfontlibrary without any copyleft fonts. (and banning any new ones from appearing) Initially, Openfontlibrary was created as a place for fonts dedicated to the Public Domain. Things dedicated to the public domain are not copyleft. Copycenter licenses such as the BSD license, the MIT license, etc would also not be copyleft. I'm mostly afraid openfontlibrary is moving in the direction of becoming the (however small) sourceforge of fonts. (Sourceforge is a popular open source software website featuring mostly copyleft software.) If anyone would suggest the best way to make this happen, I'm all ears... Remember, I own the openfontlibrary.com and .net domains, the non-copyleft version of openfontlibrary could go there. I started talking privately with (rejon) about this idea last year, but that never really went anywhere. Oh, I think that would not be a very good way to split traffic. I understand your points, but in the end I think better off to be more inclusive rather than more exclusive. Yes, originally I pushed very hard for PD only fonts like we have PD only content for openclipart.org My thinking on the subject might have changed now slightly in that I'm most interested in supporting the spectrum of usability. I personally would like to see openfontlibrary (OFLB) be the place for fonts on the free and open desktop. However, in the interest of the project, and contributors, I'm most willing to work together with interested parties to create something together by consensus and especially when I don't know something. The good thing about our setup is that we can support both PD and what the majority of font developers in the FLOSS world (or rather those that speak up / dig in ) suppport: PD and SIL OFL. I understand the majority (but not all) of the people involved with this project are pro-copyleft, but I really want to have a non-copyleft openfontlibrary. FF Well, I personally lean more towards more complete freedom as in Public Domain or something more like CC attribution license, but in this project, we have decided to expand the licensing options for the preference of the community. Regardless, I strongly hope that we can work towards commons solution because we don't want to create site proliferation (aka, we have hard enough time keeping forward momentum on the current site, but which is happening now thanks to the efforts of Dave, Ben, George, etc). Cheers Jon __ Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA + Guangzhou + Beijing GLOBAL +1.415.830.3884 CHINA +86.1.360.282.8624 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org IM/skype: kidproto Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
Re: [Openfontlibrary] openfontlibrary.com now pointing to openfontlibrary.org
Good you got them...why do you have them in inframe? The best would be for you to update the DNS on them to be the same ame Server:NS1.AUTH.OSUOSL.ORG Name Server:NS2.AUTH.OSUOSL.ORG Then, we can file a ticket to OSUOSL.org to make them work properly. Can you do that on those two domains. In the future, when we have some type of conservatorship, etc, can we all agree to move those domains and openfontlibrary.org over to that org? Cheers! Jon On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 21:31 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some domain speculators have been sending me emails, trying to sell me openfontlibrary.com, so... I've just bought the .com version of the openfontlibrary domain name, pointing it to openfontlibrary.org. (I own the .net, that's why they've been offering it to me.) FF __ Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics – check it out! ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA + Guangzhou + Beijing GLOBAL +1.415.830.3884 CHINA +86.1.360.282.8624 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org IM/skype: kidproto Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
Re: [Openfontlibrary] cchost5 and OFL
Ok, added you to sender filter so your posts will go through, but you won't get mails from openfontlibrary list unless you subscribe. Jon On Thu, 2008-10-02 at 18:53 +0200, Victor Stone wrote: (it should be noted that my posts are being bounced by OFLB list - I'm x-posting to cchost because of relevant info) On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Ben Weiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [condensing several messages] Jon Phillips wrote: It would be great to get this somewhere public before weekend is over. IIRC there were other changes in the rest of the site: some xml files (like guidelines.xml) were also modified to turn ccHost from a music-oriented site to a fonts-oriented site. Yes, right, but nothing core ccHost was modified. Everything is just skins, plugins, and xml files. OK, good to hear that ;-) Even if they don't all work in v5. Actually 'nothing' is too strong a word - compared to the skins (a complete redo) the changes to core should be low impact. However, there ARE changes to core that will affect many plugins - like events that are no longer being triggered on very upload record. Again - point me at code and I can spot them in seconds. You can add filetypes in the admin pages. Right: may I ask: add as in add to the list of filetypes or as in pick 1-n choices from a list of predefined filetypes? Filetypes should be added in the psuedo-verifier from the admin screens - this was a late add to v4 and nothing has changed. I know devs are quick to jump into php code to add file types but this is a really big mistake (not that it costs lives or anything, just a time waster). VS -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA + Guangzhou + Beijing GLOBAL +1.415.830.3884 CHINA +86.1.360.282.8624 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org IM/skype: kidproto Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
Re: [Openfontlibrary] cchost5 and OFL
On Thu, 2008-10-02 at 12:04 +0200, Nicolas Spalinger wrote: Dave Crossland wrote: 2008/10/2 Ben Weiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: can you tell me the degree to which cchost 4 was hacked (ie, the through-the-web interface was not used) to set it up for OFL? I'm really struggling, in the absence of docs, to get my head around cchost 5. AFAIK the only significant delta between ccHost 4 release and OFLB's ccHost is that the OFL license plugin was added, and the text in the theme was changed to be about fonts instead of music. Alex and Nicolas might also be able to comment on this. Hi guys, I should have time this week-end to clean up and publish my OFL integration patch along with some installation documentation... (A few path and variables had to be adjusted against v5 trunk). It would be great to get this somewhere public before weekend is over. IIRC there were other changes in the rest of the site: some xml files (like guidelines.xml) were also modified to turn ccHost from a music-oriented site to a fonts-oriented site. Yes, right, but nothing core ccHost was modified. Everything is just skins, plugins, and xml files. Could someone with access to the OFLB server please provide a dump of the current db (and a tarball of the vhost) so we can look at the configuration? Thanks. I can't get to until sat. beijing time. Is this ok? the v4 docs pages warning me that v5 will be different! http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Preparing_for_ccHost_5.0 may help Tis true! If you post up what you have done publicly somewhere, then I can look at as well... I want to do the move to ccHost 5 and see where we are at...victor showed me how before, so I just need to do a test of...and doing OFLB might be much easier before doing OCAL... Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA + Guangzhou + Beijing GLOBAL +1.415.830.3884 CHINA +86.1.360.282.8624 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org IM/skype: kidproto Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
Re: [Openfontlibrary] cchost5 and OFL
On Thu, 2008-10-02 at 11:23 +0100, Ben Weiner wrote: Hi there, Nicolas Spalinger wrote: Hi guys, I should have time this week-end to clean up and publish my OFL integration patch along with some installation documentation... (A few path and variables had to be adjusted against v5 trunk). I may not need it in publishable condition... IIRC there were other changes in the rest of the site: some xml files (like guidelines.xml) were also modified to turn ccHost from a music-oriented site to a fonts-oriented site. OK. For starters, I'm looking for a method in the TTW interface that allows me to add file types. Is that part of your patch? http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Preparing_for_ccHost_5.0 may help Only if you know 4. I was /hoping/ to skip it ;-) You can add filetypes in the admin pages. Jon Thanks all, Ben -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA + Guangzhou + Beijing GLOBAL +1.415.830.3884 CHINA +86.1.360.282.8624 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org IM/skype: kidproto Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
