Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFL problems, IPA License annoyances
Le Mar 7 avril 2009 20:53, Alexandre Prokoudine a écrit : On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Dave Crossland wrote: And as I said, I would prefer to avoid a new version of OFL until there is a real world example of the OFLv1.1 being defective; until then, the FAQ updates are the best response. Amen to that? :) I don't want this to turn into a flamewar, but consider that new font projects are being started all the time. They're choosing their license now. Later for the usual reasons it will be very difficult to make them switch. It would be much nicer for them if they could start with an OFL version everyone agreed was solid (even if the disagreement is not tastefully expressed). -- Nicolas Mailhot
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFL problems, IPA License annoyances
Le Mar 7 avril 2009 10:09, Dave Crossland a écrit : 2009/4/7 Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net: They would have been better advised to lay minimal conditions in simple words and not let their lawyers pile up unrelated fell-good material in the licensing. Given I basically like the OFL, which is worded as you suggest, I agree :-) What do you think about Perens criticism of the OFL? I think he may have a point. Though addressing his point should not require full rewrite of the license, just of the problem paragraph (another bit should be clarifying the renaming clauses and make it clear they're an option authors can shoose not to exercise). Also, even if the OFL was perfected, the FSF has sufficient moral clout that we need a GPL-ish FSF-endorsed font license, because many people will just refuse to use anything else. -- Nicolas Mailhot
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFL problems, IPA License annoyances
2009/4/7 Ed Trager ed.tra...@gmail.com: this newly published IPA Font License in English finally clears the way for inclusion of the IPA fonts in Linux distributions ... Sounds like a good result, as long as it isn't promoted as best practice :-)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFL problems, IPA License annoyances
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Dave Crossland wrote: And as I said, I would prefer to avoid a new version of OFL until there is a real world example of the OFLv1.1 being defective; until then, the FAQ updates are the best response. Amen to that? :) Alexandre
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFL problems, IPA License annoyances
2009/4/7 Nicolas Spalinger nicolas_spalin...@sil.org: Though addressing his point should not require full rewrite of the license, just of the problem paragraph (another bit should be clarifying the renaming clauses and make it clear they're an option authors can shoose not to exercise). As indicated earlier, we feel this is sufficiently clarified in the OFL FAQ. And as I said, I would prefer to avoid a new version of OFL until there is a real world example of the OFLv1.1 being defective; until then, the FAQ updates are the best response.
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFL problems, IPA License annoyances
OTOH there's the great work of Arne Gotje on CJK fonts which may well provide the community with a .jp font family with more re-usable and community-known licensing. And also don't forget the work of the WenQuanYi project, http://wenq.org/ Thanks for pointing that out. (it's hard for me to follow the development of this project as my understanding of Japanese is well... extremely limited). But Japanese users may still argue that Gotje's project and the WenQuanYi project are both Chinese font projects and that there are stylistic differences among a subset of the Japanese Kanji ... Gotje is addressing the (actually very few ... ) stylistic differences directly using TTC. At this point in time, I'm not sure how or if the WQY project is dealing with the national glyph style differences ... Good point, I should ping Arne about this someday. Best - Ed -- Nicolas Spalinger, NRSI volunteer Debian/Ubuntu font teams / OpenFontLibrary http://planet.open-fonts.org signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFL problems, IPA License annoyances
Hi, All, I've added IPA license detection to Fontaine: r20 | edtrager | 2009-04-06 17:40:31 -0400 (Mon, 06 Apr 2009) | 1 line Added Information-technology Promotion Agency, Japan (IPA) license which is now an Open Source approved license (http://opensource.org/licenses/ipafont.html). Thanks to Dave Crossland for this information. - Ed On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: Hi, More licensing curmudgeon-ry from me I'm afraid :-) A new OSI approved font license is out, the Japanese IPA Font License: http://opensource.org/licenses/ipafont.html The OFLB is only going to run with the most popular free font licenses, to encourage license consolidation, so I doubt the OFLB will accept IFL fonts anyway. So, if you're not interested in font licensing, please note the existence of the license and mark this thread as read :-) I wonder if the story of its creation will be published to the same extent that the SIL OFL process has been documented; I guess that there was some kind of wrestling match between proprietary-minded font developers and freedom-minded customers. Some of the history is revealed with a quick search: Bruce Perens has been helpfully guiding the drafts of this - http://perens.com/blog/?s=open+font - although, sadly, his original objections which I share about only distributing derived versions as diff files - http://www.crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?17:mss:516:200902:ahjoeececbbcpiajppfi - apply to the final OSI approved license. Although I'm happy some Japanese fonts are being released with an OSI approved license, this diff requirement makes it a very poor license IMO. The draft Perens linked to at http://ipafont.ipa.go.jp/enduser_license_draft090304.pdf has the makings of a much better license, and is probably only interesting to me so I'll skip over my thoughts about it here. However, the key thing about the license is that it (appears to) patch the PDF loophole that Perens claims the SIL OFL has at http://perens.com/blog/2009/02/17/64/ loophole that would allow the conversion of any font under the license to public domain OFL S5: he Font Software, modified or unmodified, in part or in whole, must be distributed entirely under this license, and must not be distributed under any other license. The requirement for fonts to remain under this license does not apply to any document created using the Font Software. - http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsiid=OFL_web IFL S2.4: In the case of a Digital Document File containing Embedded Fonts created by embedding such fonts to the extent allowed under this Agreement, the Recipient may conduct Reproduction and Other Exploitation of the Digital Document File, without requiring the Recipient of such Digital Document File to comply with this Agreement. For the avoidance of doubt, such Recipient may not create and conduct Reproduction and Other Exploitation of a Derived Program from such Digital Document File except according to the terms of this Agreement. - http://opensource.org/licenses/ipafont.html I hope this will help in the updating of the GNU GPL Font Exception :-) Cheers Dave
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFL problems, IPA License annoyances
Well well, a positive result for license chat :) Awesome work ed! Regards, Dave On 6 Apr 2009, 10:44 PM, Ed Trager ed.tra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, All, I've added IPA license detection to Fontaine: r20 | edtrager | 2009-04-06 17:40:31 -0400 (Mon, 06 Apr 2009) | 1 line Added Information-technology Promotion Agency, Japan (IPA) license which is now an Open Source approved license (http://opensource.org/licenses/ipafont.html). Thanks to Dave Crossland for this information. - Ed On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: Hi, More licensing cur...
