Re: [Opensim-dev] If MIcrosoft buys LL, impact on OpenSIm?
On Sep 30, 2010, at 3:45 PM, Kesick, Nicholas Charles wrote: It seems you know very little about Windows Server operations, and who’s to say Microsoft would come in and change all of the underlying OSes? I wouldn’t recommend runing LINUX with Opensim on anything less than 4GB (production), and Windows Server Core is a very robust and light system, of which I would still run on 4GB. Server Core weighs less on my server than Fedora or Ubuntu Server. I ran a 4 region opensim system on an Amazon small instance for some time without issues. (1 amazon compute unit and not much more that 1GB ram) on ubuntu. Linux is everywhere in the cloud. It also is run all the way from tiny embedded systems to some of the largest servers that exist. But consider first, the advantage of connection speeds that would be available to Second Life with Microsoft as the owner. MS is not known for great server farms. Many of their major server farms do not run MS. Right now Linden Labs has been building server centers and their fiber “LL Net”. Now Micorosft walks in. Here’s 400x the server power with datacenters in many states, and 1x the bandwidth around the world. Tada! Lag time between client and server gone, especially with international users. Did the customers pipes suddenly get bigger? Microsoft also has the assets to help the education sector, which has been having more and more trouble staying with Second Life because of a lack of support. But why would they be interested? So, don’t just write it off because of the OS. Remember the other assets they have, like internet connections and good management skills. I am not impressed with MS products and certainly not with their lock in and predatory practices. I will be one of the ones attempting to build/use OpenSim alternatives if this deal goes through. - s___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] If MIcrosoft buys LL, impact on OpenSIm?
On 9/30/2010 3:45 PM, Kesick, Nicholas Charles wrote: It seems you know very little about Windows Server operations, and who's to say Microsoft would come in and change all of the underlying OSes? I wouldn't recommend runing LINUX with Opensim on anything less than 4GB (production), and Windows Server Core is a very robust and light system, of which I would still run on 4GB. Server Core weighs less on my server than Fedora or Ubuntu Server. But consider first, the advantage of connection speeds that would be available to Second Life with Microsoft as the owner. Right now Linden Labs has been building server centers and their fiber LL Net. Now Micorosft walks in. Here's 400x the server power with datacenters in many states, and 1x the bandwidth around the world. Tada! Lag time between client and server gone, especially with international users. Microsoft also has the assets to help the education sector, which has been having more and more trouble staying with Second Life because of a lack of support. So, don't just write it off because of the OS. Remember the other assets they have, like internet connections and good management skills. - Nicholas Kesick Now at kesick...@students.ecu.edu mailto:kesick...@students.ecu.edu! Oh, I do, and I shall. I managed a Windows Server 2003-based Active Directory network for the City, and then had my own Win Serv 2003 Active Directory network at home while first setting up my application hosting service. Despite having a hardware firewall and allowing automatic updates, I had to clear out worms every 3 weeks and was on the edge of buying more RAM. I have since switched to Linux-based hosting and have never looked back. And I have successfully run OpenSim on three 1GB RAM Pentium 4 @ 3.0GHz. I ran two regions each, yes, but sacrificing quantity for quality is a lot cheaper than shelling out for new servers. ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
[Opensim-dev] Srikata ClientView, any users?
Hi, Is there anyone who uses, or works with, the Sirikata ClientView in OpenSim? That code is likely nonfunctional in the core version and responsible for a huge number of warnings. If there are no users, we should remove it. Melanie ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] Srikata ClientView, any users?
+1 on removal, I cant imagine anyone is actually using it, I don't think its ever worked or been complete enough for anyone to use with Sirikata, it gives 100's of the current warnings when you compile opensim, i suspect its mostly just incomplete stubs. On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Melanie mela...@t-data.com wrote: Hi, Is there anyone who uses, or works with, the Sirikata ClientView in OpenSim? That code is likely nonfunctional in the core version and responsible for a huge number of warnings. If there are no users, we should remove it. Melanie ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev -- Michael Emory Cerquoni - Nebadon Izumi @ http://osgrid.org ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] Srikata ClientView, any users?
I'd like to see one skeleton client stack stay in core as it makes it a lot easier to start a new one rather than studying the LL stack and helps 3rd party client stack developers track changes in the IClientAPI interface. MXPClientView is useful for this but I'm not sure it still works as it hasn't been tested for quite a while. Perhaps either the HTTP or IRC stacks would be sufficient as a skeleton example. On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Melanie mela...@t-data.com wrote: Hi, Is there anyone who uses, or works with, the Sirikata ClientView in OpenSim? That code is likely nonfunctional in the core version and responsible for a huge number of warnings. If there are no users, we should remove it. Melanie ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] Srikata ClientView, any users?
Another option is we can remove the CLS Compliant attributes..or add one to the assembly and disable the event nonusage warning. Teravus On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Dahlia Trimble dahliatrim...@gmail.comwrote: I'd like to see one skeleton client stack stay in core as it makes it a lot easier to start a new one rather than studying the LL stack and helps 3rd party client stack developers track changes in the IClientAPI interface. MXPClientView is useful for this but I'm not sure it still works as it hasn't been tested for quite a while. Perhaps either the HTTP or IRC stacks would be sufficient as a skeleton example. On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Melanie mela...@t-data.com wrote: Hi, Is there anyone who uses, or works with, the Sirikata ClientView in OpenSim? That code is likely nonfunctional in the core version and responsible for a huge number of warnings. If there are no users, we should remove it. Melanie ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] Limit of users
Were you running 0.6.9 or one of the more recent builds? My experience is that 0.6.9 has a limit of around 50 while 0.7.x can support many more active avatars. I've run hundreds of very active avatars with baking and constant motion on 0.7.x servers. -- mb On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Marcelo Anderson marceloanderso...@gmail.com wrote: I'm using a server with 12GB of RAM and a Quad Core processor, both with available resources when the region server connect maximum of 55 users. That number usually ranges between 45-50 users of mean in 30 minutes of experiment. If there is available memory and processor where is the problem? I have 80 machines trying to connect but could not connect all at once. If the limit is not the hardware can be software? I am using OpenSuse OS and mono 4.2. Is there any variable to be configured? Thanks. ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
