RE: Which product to buy?

2002-05-14 Thread Mark H. Wood

On Tue, 14 May 2002, Franck Martin wrote:
[snip]
 Who can't see that this message is digitaly signed and do you know why?

I can see that it is signed, but pine doesn't know what to do with an
Application/X-PKCS7-SIGNATURE bodypart.

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Re: Which product to buy?

2002-05-13 Thread Erwann ABALEA

On Mon, 13 May 2002, Franck Martin wrote:

 I like to buy a certificate from verisign or thawte that allows me to
 sign other certificates. The test certificate produced have the
 extension CA:FALSE. I'm not sure if I can sign anything with this kind
 of certificate, please advise...

No. These certificates are not intended to sign any other entity. If you
order a standard certificate, you definitely won't have a CA certificate.
:)

 What happens when the certificate expires, how to renew it without
 having to renew other certificates?

When your own certificate expires, you only need to renew it. What else
would you like to renew?

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Re: Which product to buy?

2002-05-13 Thread Dean Povey

I like to buy a certificate from verisign or thawte that allows me to
sign other certificates. The test certificate produced have the
extension CA:FALSE. I'm not sure if I can sign anything with this kind
of certificate, please advise...

No you can't sign anything with that.

What you need is what I think they call a cross-signing cert, last time 
I looked (about 2 years ago) you needed about 100K US to buy one.

What happens when the certificate expires, how to renew it without
having to renew other certificates?

You can't.  Your CA certificate life cycle must be longer than any 
certificates issued by it.

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Re: Which product to buy?

2002-05-13 Thread Franck Martin




Does anybody sell certificate that allow you to sign certificates?



Will there be still a trust problem



A signs B that signs C



User X trust A and receives C, is C trusted too?



If B expires, but C dates are still ok, and I renew B (with which opennssl command by the way) is C still valid or do I have to renew C too?



Cheers.

Franck



On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 08:11, Erwann ABALEA wrote:

On Mon, 13 May 2002, Franck Martin wrote:

 I like to buy a certificate from verisign or thawte that allows me to
 sign other certificates. The test certificate produced have the
 extension CA:FALSE. I'm not sure if I can sign anything with this kind
 of certificate, please advise...

No. These certificates are not intended to sign any other entity. If you
order a standard certificate, you definitely won't have a CA certificate.
:)

 What happens when the certificate expires, how to renew it without
 having to renew other certificates?

When your own certificate expires, you only need to renew it. What else
would you like to renew?







RE: Which product to buy?

2002-05-13 Thread Franck Martin

In theory, you should be able to save the message and issue the
following command:

openssl smime -verify -in message.txt

But I had various level of luck with this command... Let me know how
does it work for you... And if anybody can make it work?

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-Original Message-
From: Christopher Curtis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, 14 May 2002 10:25 
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Subject: RE: Which product to buy?


On Tue, 14 May 2002, Franck Martin wrote:

 BTW:
 Who can't see that this message is digitaly signed and do you know
why?

PINE tells me that there is a PKCS#7 attachment, but I don't have the
tools installed to verify it ...

rgds,
Chris


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RE: Which product to buy?

2002-05-13 Thread Franck Martin

1) I had report of outlook XP carshing for same reasons I read
somewhere that outlook is trying to get the cert above in the trust... I
can't find anything else on the subject. Do you have an idea why does it
hangs?

2) This is the reason why I sign my messages in clear text, so that any
mail client can read my message. You should be able to save the message
and process it with openssl. I'm not sure here about all the required
commands.

openssl smime -verify -in message.txt

But I think openssl is bugged or not finished on this part...

Franck Martin
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From: GOLDING,CHARLTON (Non-HP-Corvallis,ex1)
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Sent: Tuesday, 14 May 2002 10:44 
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Subject: RE: Which product to buy?


Franck,

Well two things.

1. When I get some of these signed messages (not just yours) and when
those
have certs my system doesn't like, this can make outlook hang.  I expect
win32 things to hang, blue screen or whatever so this isn't a complaint,
just a reality of the OS.  For those messages on a win32 system I
usually
have to delete them to get the email reader to work again.  

2. An older version of pine on one of my systems doesn't seem to have
any
awareness of certificates and ignores them.  It came around before
Certificate/signed email was a common thing so doesn't have code to deal
with the signature.  Other email readers, or even email host
applications
might very well strip certificates like they do some attachments.

Chet



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