Re: [Openstack] Host OS CentOS 6.4 or Ubuntu 12.04

2013-07-14 Thread Peter Funk
Hello,

Samuel Winchenbach wrote as an answer to Haitao Jiang:
 I
  agree with Logan that it is personal preference.
...
 I am sure for every complaint I have about Ubuntu someone has an equal
 complaint about CentOS.

Samuel is right.  Here is an example for such a complaint: 

Two or three months ago I had system freezes on a
particular hardware with CentOS 6.4 with the original
2.6.32 kernel package shipped with CentOS 6.4.

These same systems are now running stable for at least
two months with kernel 3.6.6-1.el6.elrepo.x86_64

Having used several distributions (Slackware, SuSE,
Red Hat, Debian, Ubuntu, CentOS to name a few) since 1994 
here and at customers all over the world my advice is:

Try a particular distribution and version on your
particular hardware for at least 2 weeks.  Put heavy
load on disks, cpus, memory and network during this
period.  If it doesn't freeze or otherwise shows bad
behaviour stay with this distribution.  Otherwise
try to fix it or pick another distro and start over.
If this doesn't succeed either try to find the cause
(depending on your time and skills available to do so)
or toss the hardware and start over again.

And this advice has absolutely nothing to do with OpenStack.
Sorry: I simply couldn't resist.

Best Regards, Peter Funk
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Re: [Openstack] Host OS CentOS 6.4 or Ubuntu 12.04

2013-07-12 Thread Logan McNaughton
Honestly a lot of it has to do with personal preference, or what your
organization is comfortable with.

As far as guests go, CentOS has no official guest images (qcow2/raw).
Ubuntu has very good official images. So does Red Hat but those aren't free.

As far as ease to deploy, Ubuntu's recommend strategy is using MAAS/Juju.
Red hat recently released RDO (openstack.red hat.com), which uses an
installer called Packstack. You'll just need to research those options and
pick one. Another good option for CentOS deployment is Mirantis' Fuel (
fuel.mirantis.com).

Currently Fuel only supports CentOS/RHEL but they say Ubuntu support is
coming.
On Jul 12, 2013 11:42 AM, Haitao Jiang jianghai...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would like to get some feedback on which OS to choose for OpenStack
 Host OS, CentOS 6.4 or Ubuntu 12.04. Just from technical point of
 view, e.g.

 - Ease of deploy

 - Support of new features

 - Performance benchmarks

 - Community support

 - Number of bugs

 etc.

 My impression so far is that Ubuntu is more up to date with the
 support of OpenStack, it has newer kernel and packages. For examples,
 like Python version. Ubuntu also seems has more community support etc.
 But at the same time, Redhat is rank as one of contributors to the
 OpenStack code base.

 Any input or comment will be welcomed and appreciated

 Thanks

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Re: [Openstack] Host OS CentOS 6.4 or Ubuntu 12.04

2013-07-12 Thread Samuel Winchenbach
I
 agree with Logan that it is personal preference.

I will give you my opinion:  I created a 4 node cluster using Ubuntu and if
I had to do it again I would use CentOS.  I find CentOS configuration much
more consistent; Ubuntu uses a combination of Upstart and rc scripts which
can be quite a nightmare when you need things to startup and shutdown in a
certain order.  Ubuntu tends to have much more frequent package (including
kernels!) updates which may be good for certain use-cases but I find it
tedious to maintain.

I am sure for every complaint I have about Ubuntu someone has an equal
complaint about CentOS.

- Sam


On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Logan McNaughton lo...@bacoosta.comwrote:

 Honestly a lot of it has to do with personal preference, or what your
 organization is comfortable with.

 As far as guests go, CentOS has no official guest images (qcow2/raw).
 Ubuntu has very good official images. So does Red Hat but those aren't free.

 As far as ease to deploy, Ubuntu's recommend strategy is using
 MAAS/Juju. Red hat recently released RDO (openstack.red hat.com), which
 uses an installer called Packstack. You'll just need to research those
 options and pick one. Another good option for CentOS deployment is
 Mirantis' Fuel (fuel.mirantis.com).

 Currently Fuel only supports CentOS/RHEL but they say Ubuntu support is
 coming.
 On Jul 12, 2013 11:42 AM, Haitao Jiang jianghai...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would like to get some feedback on which OS to choose for OpenStack
 Host OS, CentOS 6.4 or Ubuntu 12.04. Just from technical point of
 view, e.g.

 - Ease of deploy

 - Support of new features

 - Performance benchmarks

 - Community support

 - Number of bugs

 etc.

 My impression so far is that Ubuntu is more up to date with the
 support of OpenStack, it has newer kernel and packages. For examples,
 like Python version. Ubuntu also seems has more community support etc.
 But at the same time, Redhat is rank as one of contributors to the
 OpenStack code base.

 Any input or comment will be welcomed and appreciated

 Thanks

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