Iran + tor
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Re: Iran + tor
Hi I always wondered how Tor can help circumventing censorship. If I were a dictator I would force the ISPs to block access to the directory servers. If that's not enough one can retreive the list of all Tor nodes and block them. Can anyone explain me what I am missing? regards Alex signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Hetzner
Hi there, this morning I got a call from my hosting provider Hetzner (in Germany) and had a nice conversation with a guy who is handling the abuse mails. He wondered what was running on those 12 servers (that's a number he told me) which receive ~1 copyright-infringement mail per day. He just wanted to warn me (and I want to warn you ;-) about the fact that he wants to tell the management about the problems of these servers (high traffic, maybe bad image for the company); he says it'd be possible that Hetzner will forbid the use of TOR nodes by their policy. He also asked for an in-depth explanation of TOR, which I just sent him. I tried to explain that his company's image could benefit from just acting for freedom of speech and against censorship (by not stopping TOR nodes). Hopefully that'll be heard. It's not that important yet as there are other providers out there, but that could start a trend, especially when put under pressure by the German government. Greetings, Sören
Re: Hetzner
Hi! On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 04:40:09PM +0200, Sören Weber wrote: this morning I got a call from my hosting provider Hetzner (in Germany) and had a nice conversation with a guy who is handling the abuse mails. He wondered what was running on those 12 servers (that's a number he told me) which receive ~1 copyright-infringement mail per day. He just wanted to warn me (and I want to warn you ;-) about the fact that he wants to tell the management about the problems of these servers (high traffic, maybe bad image for the company); he says it'd be possible that Hetzner will forbid the use of TOR nodes by their policy. Did he mean any kind tor nodes or tor exits? He also asked for an in-depth explanation of TOR, which I just sent him. I tried to explain that his company's image could benefit from just acting for freedom of speech and against censorship (by not stopping TOR nodes). Hopefully that'll be heard. Hope so too. Perhaps also tell him about the role of tor in the recent uprises in the Iran. It's not that important yet as there are other providers out there, but that could start a trend, especially when put under pressure by the German government. Definitely. Greetings, Sören Kind regards, Hannah.
Re: Hetzner
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Hannah Schroeterhan...@pond.sub.org wrote: he says it'd be possible that Hetzner will forbid the use of TOR nodes by their policy. Did he mean any kind tor nodes or tor exits? I don't think that he had the knowledge about the differences of nodes. As far as he told me, he just contacted those people with a high amount of copyright infringements - so only exit nodes are the real problem for him. I tried to explain that his company's image could benefit from just acting for freedom of speech and against censorship (by not stopping TOR nodes). Hopefully that'll be heard. Hope so too. Perhaps also tell him about the role of tor in the recent uprises in the Iran. Thanks for that suggestion! I'll try to get this pointed out in the conversation. Greetings, Sören
Re: Hetzner
Hi! On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 05:11:36PM +0200, Sören Weber wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Hannah Schroeterhan...@pond.sub.org wrote: he says it'd be possible that Hetzner will forbid the use of TOR nodes by their policy. Did he mean any kind tor nodes or tor exits? I don't think that he had the knowledge about the differences of nodes. As far as he told me, he just contacted those people with a high amount of copyright infringements - so only exit nodes are the real problem for him. Ok, I understand. I tried to explain that his company's image could benefit from just acting for freedom of speech and against censorship (by not stopping TOR nodes). Hopefully that'll be heard. Hope so too. Perhaps also tell him about the role of tor in the recent uprises in the Iran. Thanks for that suggestion! I'll try to get this pointed out in the conversation. You're welcome. Greetings, Sören Kind regards, Hannah.
Re: Hetzner
Sören Weber soe...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Hannah Schroeterhan...@pond.sub.org wrote: he says it'd be possible that Hetzner will forbid the use of TOR nodes by their policy. Did he mean any kind tor nodes or tor exits? I don't think that he had the knowledge about the differences of nodes. As far as he told me, he just contacted those people with a high amount of copyright infringements - so only exit nodes are the real problem for him. Alleged copyright infringements. Fabian signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Hetzner
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Fabian Keilfreebsd-lis...@fabiankeil.de wrote: Alleged copyright infringements. Yes, of course. He stated that he doesn't believe that these mails are caused by the owners of the servers. Rather he thinks that Hetzner could lose its face in some way. Additionally these mails are semi-automatically processed, so they have to invest manpower to get them forwarded (I'd be happy if they would just throw them away. Same effect).
Re: Iran + tor
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 08:32:21AM -0500, Scott Bennett wrote: If I were a dictator I would force the ISPs to block access to the directory servers. If that's not enough one can retreive the list of all Tor nodes and block them. Can anyone explain me what I am missing? See e.g. https://www.torproject.org/bridges For blocked directory servers: ## Use tunneled directory server connections when available ## (defaults to 0) TunnelDirConns 1 ## Avoid using directory servers that do not provide tunneled connections ## (defaults to 0) PreferTunneledDirConns 1 The text you're quoting must be years old. TunnelDirConns and PreferTunneledDirConns have defaulted to 1 starting in Tor 0.2.0.x. We made that change in part because Smartfilter and Websense (used in countries like Iran) learned how to detect the old unencrypted directory requests from Tor 0.1.2.x and earlier. --Roger
Re: Hetzner
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 08:28:47PM +0200, Sören Weber wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Fabian Keilfreebsd-lis...@fabiankeil.de wrote: Alleged copyright infringements. Yes, of course. He stated that he doesn't believe that these mails are caused by the owners of the servers. Rather he thinks that Hetzner could lose its face in some way. I've used to run a Tor exit with Hetzner a couple years ago, which resulted in several tet-a-tetes with the local (Bavaria) police. I don't think Hetzner will give a damn if you're running a middleman. Especially if it's throttled, so you're not making them lose money on you. According to my last inquiry they won't log connection info (though this might have changed, check for yourself). Additionally these mails are semi-automatically processed, so they have to invest manpower to get them forwarded (I'd be happy if they would just throw them away. Same effect). -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE
Re: Hetzner
does anyone know about the legal situation in germany? i'm running a middle node. that should be no problem, isn't it? rg michael On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 08:28:47PM +0200, Sören Weber wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Fabian Keilfreebsd-lis...@fabiankeil.de wrote: Alleged copyright infringements. Yes, of course. He stated that he doesn't believe that these mails are caused by the owners of the servers. Rather he thinks that Hetzner could lose its face in some way. I've used to run a Tor exit with Hetzner a couple years ago, which resulted in several tet-a-tetes with the local (Bavaria) police. I don't think Hetzner will give a damn if you're running a middleman. Especially if it's throttled, so you're not making them lose money on you. According to my last inquiry they won't log connection info (though this might have changed, check for yourself). Additionally these mails are semi-automatically processed, so they have to invest manpower to get them forwarded (I'd be happy if they would just throw them away. Same effect). -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE
Help Iranian dissidents by collecting and posting Bridge addresses? (here?)
Hi, I have been mounting a little movement to get people to run Tor and setup Tor Bridges to help those in Iran access the Internet. Then I found a great message which has been going around asking people to run Tor Bridges. So I thought: what about or-talk?. Would it be wise to ask people in or-talk to provide Bridge addresses to this topic? When people have submitted say 5 or 10 (or more) Bridge addresses I could collect them and post them to Twitter and lots of other sites. Is that wise? Here is the messages I found: -- Help the Iranian dissidents! Run a Tor Bridge and post your Bridge IP! It allows them access to the Internet...without proxies they have no voice! Tor Bridge: https://www.torproject.org/bridges What is Tor?: https://www.torproject.org/overview.html.en Get Tor: https://www.torproject.org/easy-download.html.en Anonymously post Bridge IP (use Tor for your anonymity): http://iran.whyweprotest.net/ Do not follw the Tor Bridge setup directions from the iran.whyweprotest website. Follow the setup directions from the Tor website, we now use Vidalia (Tor GUI): Tor Bridge: https://www.torproject.org/bridges Please help...without proxies (ie. Bridges) the Iranian dissidents have no voice! Posting your Tor Bridge: One of the best ways is to post your Tor Bridge IP address on Twitter with the tag #iranelection and #helpiranelection Below is a Google search string. Use it to find places to post your Tor Bridge IP address. Iran Government is blocking more and more sites all the time...keep moving and they can't stop it! Goolge search string: post + proxy + address + iran --
Re: Help Iranian dissidents by collecting and posting Bridge addresses? (here?)
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 18:26 -0700, Chris Humphry wrote: Hi, I have been mounting a little movement to get people to run Tor and setup Tor Bridges to help those in Iran access the Internet. Then I found a great message which has been going around asking people to run Tor Bridges. So I thought: what about or-talk?. Would it be wise to ask people in or-talk to provide Bridge addresses to this topic? When people have submitted say 5 or 10 (or more) Bridge addresses I could collect them and post them to Twitter and lots of other sites. Is that wise? No. I'm sure the Iranian government is monitoring it at this point. Posting a bridge IP there will just let them block it. It would probably be best to email it to a trusted Iranian organization or group, using OpenPGP encryption. They can disseminate it from there. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Help Iranian dissidents by collecting and posting Bridge addresses? (here?)
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 06:26:43PM -0700, Chris Humphry wrote: Please help...without proxies (ie. Bridges) the Iranian dissidents have no voice! Yeah, see, I'm not sure whether this is true. If ordinary bridges are working, then probably ordinary Tor relays are working too. Or said another way, if ordinary Tor relays aren't working, probably ordinary bridges won't work either. We've heard rumors they're blocking all encrypted traffic. Does this mean everything that does an SSL handshake no matter the port? Or does it mean the blocked port 443? If the former, an automated system like Tor is going to have a tough time keeping up -- at least without the tweaks we've been pondering over the past few days. ;) If the latter, then setting up a bunch of bridges on port 80 (even though everything's still encrypted) might be the ticket. Lots of misinformation going around, and not so much information. --Roger
Re: Help Iranian dissidents by collecting and posting Bridge addresses? (here?)
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 22:11 -0400, Roger Dingledine wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 06:26:43PM -0700, Chris Humphry wrote: Please help...without proxies (ie. Bridges) the Iranian dissidents have no voice! Yeah, see, I'm not sure whether this is true. If ordinary bridges are working, then probably ordinary Tor relays are working too. Or said another way, if ordinary Tor relays aren't working, probably ordinary bridges won't work either. We've heard rumors they're blocking all encrypted traffic. Does this mean everything that does an SSL handshake no matter the port? Or does it mean the blocked port 443? If the former, an automated system like Tor is going to have a tough time keeping up -- at least without the tweaks we've been pondering over the past few days. ;) If the latter, then setting up a bunch of bridges on port 80 (even though everything's still encrypted) might be the ticket. Lots of misinformation going around, and not so much information. If things get really bad, people can just resort to setting up DNS or even ICMP tunnels. Internet censorship is probably the largest-scale game of whack-a-mole ever played. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Hetzner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 17, 2009, at 8:28 PM, Sören Weber wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Fabian Keilfreebsd-lis...@fabiankeil.de wrote: Alleged copyright infringements. Yes, of course. He stated that he doesn't believe that these mails are caused by the owners of the servers. Rather he thinks that Hetzner could lose its face in some way. Additionally these mails are semi-automatically processed, so they have to invest manpower to get them forwarded (I'd be happy if they would just throw them away. Same effect). Hi Sören, thanks for your efforts so far! It would be great if Hetzner learned a bit more about Tor, so if you want, you may point them in the direction of tor-assistants. There are a few Germans who would be able to talk to them, if you think they still have trouble understanding how Tor works. I think it would be a good idea to educate the hosting providers before they decide to dislike Tor. Thanks! Sebastian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iEYEARECAAYFAko51qkACgkQCADWu989zuaRPACg9kPJDHGZxIYQxKWdMJ0sR6A/ wBIAniNAx7gEe4uMdKQHGEeUE5NnSpH6 =Frl4 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
