Re: My ISP block Tor Servers
Thus spake Koh Choon Lin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > >> If you can't or don't want to switch ISP you could > >> rent a server with uncensored net access and use > >> it as proxy. > > I am working in Singapore and the government branded Tor as "criminal > skills". Thus, I have to go through a proxy even to get the Tor > client! Heh. This reminds me of a lawfirm one of my friends used to work at. They told me when they tried to visit my website the content filter denied them with that same message: "Criminal skills". Never did get a copy of the censor page though. This was in the USA. Content filters are awesome. -- Mike Perry Mad Computer Scientist fscked.org evil labs
Re: My ISP block Tor Servers
Yes I am from U.A.E - Dubai, My ISP is "Etisalat", I dont thing they will listen to me cause they are blocking many ports, sites and services. What I was thinking of, why dont TOR network use a dynamic IP's for their servers, and use base64 to encode all tor network data , this will make it hard to identify a signature on TOR server to filter it. Thanks and keep on the good work, Dr.Death > - Original Message - > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: or-talk@freehaven.net > Subject: Re: My ISP block Tor Servers > Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:48:29 +0200 > > > > My ISP Blocked most of tor servers that provide the "cached-routers". > > > > any Idea how to bypass this issue ! > > IIRC there was a discussion about this a while back on the list, > and as of yet there are no easily accessible end-user ways of > working around this. (Please correct me if am wrong) > I think what you are doing is pretty much what was suggested: > > > i save the cached-routers file and rename it, when tor empty the original > > file i replace it with the one i have and it work again. > > -- > > btw: Unless I am mistaken Mr.Death is writing us from the Emirates > (at least that's what his E-Mail headers are saying), not from the > US, so talking about the legal details in the US is not only > offtopic, it's also useless. But go ahead, I am sure the UAE will > be impressed when you tell them what you think and they'll stop > filtering. Not. > http://www.opennetinitiative.net/studies/uae/ > > > Regards > > Herfel > -- > "Feel free" - 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... > Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail > == The Best Security Is Knowledge -- ___ Get your free email from http://bsdmail.com
Re: My ISP block Tor Servers
Hi Fabian, For now we just have one ISP. > If you can't or don't want to switch ISP you could > rent a server with uncensored net access and use > it as proxy. yeah this what i will do for now. Thanks, Dr.Death > > - Original Message - > From: "Fabian Keil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: or-talk@freehaven.net > Subject: Re: My ISP block Tor Servers > Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:47:17 +0200 > > > "Dr. Death" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > My ISP Blocked most of tor servers that provide the "cached-routers". > > > > any Idea how to bypass this issue ! > > Are you sure the blocks are intentional targeted > against Tor and don't have other reasons (some overly > aggressive heuristic to block worms for example)? > > If your ISP is intentionally blocking Tor and the contract > allows it, I assume the most effective bypass will be > to switch ISPs. Unless your ISP has a monopoly I don't > see a reason to pay for its censorship. > > If you can't or don't want to switch ISP you could > rent a server with uncensored net access and use > it as proxy. > > There are different example configurations in the Tor FAQ. > > Fabian > << signature.asc >> > == The Best Security Is Knowledge -- ___ Get your free email from http://bsdmail.com
Re: My ISP block Tor Servers
> If you can't or don't want to switch ISP you could > rent a server with uncensored net access and use > it as proxy. I am working in Singapore and the government branded Tor as "criminal skills". Thus, I have to go through a proxy even to get the Tor client! Koh Choon Lin
Re: My ISP block Tor Servers
"Dr. Death" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My ISP Blocked most of tor servers that provide the "cached-routers". > > any Idea how to bypass this issue ! Are you sure the blocks are intentional targeted against Tor and don't have other reasons (some overly aggressive heuristic to block worms for example)? If your ISP is intentionally blocking Tor and the contract allows it, I assume the most effective bypass will be to switch ISPs. Unless your ISP has a monopoly I don't see a reason to pay for its censorship. If you can't or don't want to switch ISP you could rent a server with uncensored net access and use it as proxy. There are different example configurations in the Tor FAQ. Fabian signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: My ISP block Tor Servers
> My ISP Blocked most of tor servers that provide the "cached-routers". > > any Idea how to bypass this issue ! IIRC there was a discussion about this a while back on the list, and as of yet there are no easily accessible end-user ways of working around this. (Please correct me if am wrong) I think what you are doing is pretty much what was suggested: > i save the cached-routers file and rename it, when tor empty the original > file i replace it with the one i have and it work again. -- btw: Unless I am mistaken Mr.Death is writing us from the Emirates (at least that's what his E-Mail headers are saying), not from the US, so talking about the legal details in the US is not only offtopic, it's also useless. But go ahead, I am sure the UAE will be impressed when you tell them what you think and they'll stop filtering. Not. http://www.opennetinitiative.net/studies/uae/ Regards Herfel -- "Feel free" - 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail
Re: My ISP block Tor Servers
Regardless of whether it's illegal, pressure from activists could certainly do something like when the ISP blocked allofmp3.com and then piratebay blocked users of that ISP. This isn't something ISPs should do and there are tons of people sympathetic to this cause. We should get all the info first though, could be the government ISP is blocking it and there's not much we can do. Comrade Ringo Kamens On 4/16/07, Eugene Y. Vasserman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 (This is way off-topic) Net neutrality is a legal gray area. While it would piss me off too to have my ISP block services, I don't think there's a law preventing it. Unless the contract specified they would NOT block sites, they are not violating contract. This, of course, depends on the exact contract wording, but this is my intuition. What the FCC established (for AT&T) was terms for a merger, not law. It is my understanding that the FCC could establish such a rule for all ISPs if it chose, but it is currently choosing not to. This may itself be a legal gray area. So, while blocking Tor is annoying, I don't think there's anything illegal about it. Tor is a service, not a website, so it does not even count as censorship. Either way, I should shut up, since this is off-topic. Thanks, Eugene Thus spake Ringo Kamens: > Chances are they didn't establish in the contract they could block > sites. Also, it does piss me off and I think I could start a letter > writing campaign and pressure them for violating net neutrality. Even > though I don't think net neutrality is solidified in law, many rulings > from the FCC and SEC require it. (For instance the ATT merger stated > they had to uphold net neutrality) > Comrade Ringo Kamens > > On 4/16/07, Eugene Y. Vasserman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why exactly would blocking Tor be illegal (and in which country)? > > Thus spake Ringo Kamens: >> Which ISP is it? This certainly seems illegal. I've also experienced >> similar issues on school networks. >> Comrade Ringo Kamens > >> On 4/16/07, Dr. Death <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> My ISP Blocked most of tor servers that provide the "cached-routers". > >>> any Idea how to bypass this issue ! > >>> I use a vpn connection to connect to another ISP and wait until tor >>> get the >>> circuit complete. > >>> i save the cached-routers file and rename it, when tor empty the > original >>> file i replace it with the one i have and it work again. > > > >>> == >>> The Best Security Is Knowledge > > >>> -- >>> ___ >>> Get your free email from http://bsdmail.com > > >> - -- Eugene Y. Vasserman http://www.cs.umn.edu/~eyv/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGJBX+4S3hfPlRZlkRA9MvAJ4zRdTiS1X/FqGiUKW/l0hf7ImUagCfeNW+ qWIOiGETb+/2a6/FwMND84k= =toVn -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: My ISP block Tor Servers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 (This is way off-topic) Net neutrality is a legal gray area. While it would piss me off too to have my ISP block services, I don't think there's a law preventing it. Unless the contract specified they would NOT block sites, they are not violating contract. This, of course, depends on the exact contract wording, but this is my intuition. What the FCC established (for AT&T) was terms for a merger, not law. It is my understanding that the FCC could establish such a rule for all ISPs if it chose, but it is currently choosing not to. This may itself be a legal gray area. So, while blocking Tor is annoying, I don't think there's anything illegal about it. Tor is a service, not a website, so it does not even count as censorship. Either way, I should shut up, since this is off-topic. Thanks, Eugene Thus spake Ringo Kamens: > Chances are they didn't establish in the contract they could block > sites. Also, it does piss me off and I think I could start a letter > writing campaign and pressure them for violating net neutrality. Even > though I don't think net neutrality is solidified in law, many rulings > from the FCC and SEC require it. (For instance the ATT merger stated > they had to uphold net neutrality) > Comrade Ringo Kamens > > On 4/16/07, Eugene Y. Vasserman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why exactly would blocking Tor be illegal (and in which country)? > > Thus spake Ringo Kamens: >> Which ISP is it? This certainly seems illegal. I've also experienced >> similar issues on school networks. >> Comrade Ringo Kamens > >> On 4/16/07, Dr. Death <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> My ISP Blocked most of tor servers that provide the "cached-routers". > >>> any Idea how to bypass this issue ! > >>> I use a vpn connection to connect to another ISP and wait until tor >>> get the >>> circuit complete. > >>> i save the cached-routers file and rename it, when tor empty the > original >>> file i replace it with the one i have and it work again. > > > >>> == >>> The Best Security Is Knowledge > > >>> -- >>> ___ >>> Get your free email from http://bsdmail.com > > >> - -- Eugene Y. Vasserman http://www.cs.umn.edu/~eyv/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGJBX+4S3hfPlRZlkRA9MvAJ4zRdTiS1X/FqGiUKW/l0hf7ImUagCfeNW+ qWIOiGETb+/2a6/FwMND84k= =toVn -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: My ISP block Tor Servers
Chances are they didn't establish in the contract they could block sites. Also, it does piss me off and I think I could start a letter writing campaign and pressure them for violating net neutrality. Even though I don't think net neutrality is solidified in law, many rulings from the FCC and SEC require it. (For instance the ATT merger stated they had to uphold net neutrality) Comrade Ringo Kamens On 4/16/07, Eugene Y. Vasserman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Why exactly would blocking Tor be illegal (and in which country)? Thus spake Ringo Kamens: > Which ISP is it? This certainly seems illegal. I've also experienced > similar issues on school networks. > Comrade Ringo Kamens > > On 4/16/07, Dr. Death <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi, >> My ISP Blocked most of tor servers that provide the "cached-routers". >> >> any Idea how to bypass this issue ! >> >> I use a vpn connection to connect to another ISP and wait until tor >> get the >> circuit complete. >> >> i save the cached-routers file and rename it, when tor empty the original >> file i replace it with the one i have and it work again. >> >> >> >> == >> The Best Security Is Knowledge >> >> >> -- >> ___ >> Get your free email from http://bsdmail.com >> - -- Eugene Y. Vasserman http://www.cs.umn.edu/~eyv/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGJBOi4S3hfPlRZlkRA9yYAJ0V6XDkqj0jKcAiloiUTvzR73F19wCfU0+u NWI7FJfxjBJ0CvgJIYDmGkQ= =4Iq7 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: My ISP block Tor Servers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Why exactly would blocking Tor be illegal (and in which country)? Thus spake Ringo Kamens: > Which ISP is it? This certainly seems illegal. I've also experienced > similar issues on school networks. > Comrade Ringo Kamens > > On 4/16/07, Dr. Death <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi, >> My ISP Blocked most of tor servers that provide the "cached-routers". >> >> any Idea how to bypass this issue ! >> >> I use a vpn connection to connect to another ISP and wait until tor >> get the >> circuit complete. >> >> i save the cached-routers file and rename it, when tor empty the original >> file i replace it with the one i have and it work again. >> >> >> >> == >> The Best Security Is Knowledge >> >> >> -- >> ___ >> Get your free email from http://bsdmail.com >> - -- Eugene Y. Vasserman http://www.cs.umn.edu/~eyv/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGJBOi4S3hfPlRZlkRA9yYAJ0V6XDkqj0jKcAiloiUTvzR73F19wCfU0+u NWI7FJfxjBJ0CvgJIYDmGkQ= =4Iq7 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: My ISP block Tor Servers
Which ISP is it? This certainly seems illegal. I've also experienced similar issues on school networks. Comrade Ringo Kamens On 4/16/07, Dr. Death <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, My ISP Blocked most of tor servers that provide the "cached-routers". any Idea how to bypass this issue ! I use a vpn connection to connect to another ISP and wait until tor get the circuit complete. i save the cached-routers file and rename it, when tor empty the original file i replace it with the one i have and it work again. == The Best Security Is Knowledge -- ___ Get your free email from http://bsdmail.com
My ISP block Tor Servers
Hi, My ISP Blocked most of tor servers that provide the "cached-routers". any Idea how to bypass this issue ! I use a vpn connection to connect to another ISP and wait until tor get the circuit complete. i save the cached-routers file and rename it, when tor empty the original file i replace it with the one i have and it work again. == The Best Security Is Knowledge -- ___ Get your free email from http://bsdmail.com
