Re: How does TOR deal with mac addresses
On 10-03-29 1:07 AM, Simon Ruderich wrote: On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:03:09PM -0400, Faraaz Damji wrote: Since he in Marco's original post referred to the client's ISP, just to clarify, your ISP can't even see leaked data sent through Tor. It would be encrypted before being sent through the Tor network. Just to clarify, you can leak DNS requests with a faulty setup which _can_ be seen by your ISP. Sorry, I was wrong on this; I was thinking about a smaller subset of leaks. -Faraaz *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: How does TOR deal with mac addresses
Faraaz Damji wrote: On 10-03-27 8:03 PM, Simon Ruderich wrote: On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 08:00:44PM +0530, emigrant wrote: On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 19:48 +0100, Marco Predicatori wrote: If you use Tor correctly, he can't figure out what site you are connecting to, and that's the whole point. thanks for the reply, what do you mean by using Tor correctly? If Tor is not correctly used you can still leak information regarding your identity. See this link on the main Tor page: https://www.torproject.org/download.html.en#Warning Since he in Marco's original post referred to the client's ISP, just to clarify, your ISP can't even see leaked data sent through Tor. It would be encrypted before being sent through the Tor network. I believe what you say is technically true but potentially misleading. The operative phrase in your statement is 'leaked' data sent through Tor. Yet much of the potential for leaked data that is warned about in that link is *not* sent through Tor (as I understand it). This is (part of) the hazard of using things like Flash, Java, PDF plugins, etc. To the extent these extensions bypass Tor, then the ISP *will* be able to see the leaked data. As always, if I misunderstand, I am willing to learn ... Jim *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: How does TOR deal with mac addresses
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:03:09PM -0400, Faraaz Damji wrote: Since he in Marco's original post referred to the client's ISP, just to clarify, your ISP can't even see leaked data sent through Tor. It would be encrypted before being sent through the Tor network. Just to clarify, you can leak DNS requests with a faulty setup which _can_ be seen by your ISP. Simon -- + privacy is necessary + using gnupg http://gnupg.org + public key id: 0x92FEFDB7E44C32F9 pgpJaJEP0lZdB.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How does TOR deal with mac addresses
On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 19:48 +0100, Marco Predicatori wrote: If you use Tor correctly, he can't figure out what site you are connecting to, and that's the whole point. thanks for the reply, what do you mean by using Tor correctly? *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: How does TOR deal with mac addresses
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 08:00:44PM +0530, emigrant wrote: On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 19:48 +0100, Marco Predicatori wrote: If you use Tor correctly, he can't figure out what site you are connecting to, and that's the whole point. thanks for the reply, what do you mean by using Tor correctly? If Tor is not correctly used you can still leak information regarding your identity. See this link on the main Tor page: https://www.torproject.org/download.html.en#Warning Hope this helps, Simon -- + privacy is necessary + using gnupg http://gnupg.org + public key id: 0x92FEFDB7E44C32F9 pgpuPYcRxxqie.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How does TOR deal with mac addresses
On 10-03-27 8:03 PM, Simon Ruderich wrote: On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 08:00:44PM +0530, emigrant wrote: On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 19:48 +0100, Marco Predicatori wrote: If you use Tor correctly, he can't figure out what site you are connecting to, and that's the whole point. thanks for the reply, what do you mean by using Tor correctly? If Tor is not correctly used you can still leak information regarding your identity. See this link on the main Tor page: https://www.torproject.org/download.html.en#Warning Since he in Marco's original post referred to the client's ISP, just to clarify, your ISP can't even see leaked data sent through Tor. It would be encrypted before being sent through the Tor network. Leaked data may compromise your anonymity if sniffed by an exit node, or by any intermediate router on the internet between the exit node and the destination. *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: How does TOR deal with mac addresses
Where exactly do you think the MAC address would get recorded? Your MAC Is only sent on your local LAN segment? i.e. your MAC only gets as far as your home router, and then your home router's MAC only gets as far as the ISP's end point... etc... On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 5:50 PM, emigrant fromwindowstoli...@gmail.com wrote: During ARPs the mac address would get recorded isn't it? So how does TOR protect anonymity with regard to mac addresses? Thank you very much. *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talk in the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: How does TOR deal with mac addresses
On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 18:07 +, Al MailingList wrote: and then your home router's MAC only gets as far as the ISP's end point... etc... you mean, the ISP would get my home routers mac address? if so that would be like he knows me very well. *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: How does TOR deal with mac addresses
On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 23:20:40 +0530, emigrant fromwindowstoli...@gmail.com wrote: :During ARPs the mac address would get recorded isn't it? :So how does TOR protect anonymity with regard to mac addresses? Tor works at the tcp layer, not the layers below it. -- Andrew Lewman The Tor Project pgp 0x31B0974B Website: https://www.torproject.org/ Blog: https://blog.torproject.org/ Identi.ca: torproject *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: How does TOR deal with mac addresses
emigrant writes: On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 18:07 +, Al MailingList wrote: and then your home router's MAC only gets as far as the ISP's end point... etc... you mean, the ISP would get my home routers mac address? if so that would be like he knows me very well. In the message you're replying to, the ISP means your ISP, not some other ISP. It's true that your ISP knows your home router's MAC address. Other ISPs don't. -- Seth Schoen Senior Staff Technologist sch...@eff.org Electronic Frontier Foundationhttp://www.eff.org/ 454 Shotwell Street, San Francisco, CA 94110 +1 415 436 9333 x107 *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: How does TOR deal with mac addresses
emigrant, on 03/26/2010 07:19 PM, wrote: On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 18:07 +, Al MailingList wrote: and then your home router's MAC only gets as far as the ISP's end point... etc... you mean, the ISP would get my home routers mac address? If you want to have a data link, yes. :-) if so that would be like he knows me very well. Probably he even knows your street address. Don't you get billed for your connection? So why would you worry about him knowing your MAC address? If you use Tor correctly, he can't figure out what site you are connecting to, and that's the whole point. -- http://www.predicatori.it/marco/ *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: How does TOR deal with mac addresses
On 3/26/2010 2:27 PM, Seth David Schoen wrote: In the message you're replying to, the ISP means your ISP, not some other ISP. It's true that your ISP knows your home router's MAC address. Other ISPs don't. As an aside, This is true, assuming the upstream protocol uses ethernet signaling, wasn't there some old point to point protocols where the MAC was ignored? I seem to remember something like that. I know ATM, FDDI, Bluetooth, and PPP/PPPOE use MAC addresses. SLIP, if my old brain is functioning, did not. I think there were others too. But I'm too old and salty to remember them all. Xerox sure got some mileage off of ethernet addressing huh? I'm wondering if they made any money on it. -- Michael Cozzi *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
