Re: U.S. begins censoring Internet at U.K.'s request
On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 04:28:17 + (UTC) John Case c...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: On Sun, 7 Nov 2010, Scott Bennett wrote: Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG What do those two acronyms (ASMELG, CFIAG) mean ? They're a summary of my pilot credentials. If you have to ask, then you're not a pilot, and spelling them out may not mean much to you. Other pilots occasionally subscribe to the same lists and news groups that I do, and they often have stories to share by email when they spot another pilot. Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * ** * A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army. * *-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ** *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: [OT] Re: U.S. begins censoring Internet at U.K.'s request
On 11/07/2010 01:10 PM, Curious Kid wrote: - Original Message From: F. Foxkitsune...@gmail.com To: or-talk@freehaven.net Sent: Sun, November 7, 2010 7:19:15 PM Subject: Re: U.S. begins censoring Internet at U.K.'s request It's awful soon to be saying it's war, given it's one website. It could just be an error of some kind, or someone could have taken the site offline on their end. It's just something I was taught: Don't be quick to imply malice on the part of others, since mistakes are far more common. A site going down after a takedown request is more likely than it actually being taken down? We should play cards sometime... Perhaps I just try not to jump toward pessimism and paranoia the second something goes bump in the night. In any case, my bigger point is: This was one website; it's not widespread censorship. Could it be a prelude to something bigger? Certainly possible. I'm just saying it's too early to start saying ZOMG TEH USA HAZ MAID WARZ ON THE INTARWEBZ!!1!!ELEVENTYONE! -- F. Fox *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: U.S. begins censoring Internet at U.K.'s request
On Sat, 06 Nov 2010 16:03:24 -0500 David Carlson carlson...@sbcglobal.net
wrote:
On 11/6/2010 1:02 PM, Scott Bennett wrote:
I wrote:
http://news.antiwar.com/2010/11/05/us-censors-muslim-websites-list-of-=
british-mps-who-supported-iraq-war/
Using exit chuckthecanuck gives a Google (!) error page, saying =
URL
not found. I'll add that exit to my ExcludeExitNodes list with a comm=
ent
that the reason is due to DNS hijacking that is probably related to U.=
S.
censorship.
I changed my mind. I'm adding {ca},{uk},{us} to my ExcludeExitNod=
es
list with an appropriate comment for later removal in case the U.S. eve=
r
calls off its War on the Internet. :-(
How do we know whether that article is accurate, and if it is, is it a
Have you tried it? The name servers still resolve the name to an address,
but attempts to reach the address, either by name or by IP address, in a web
browser yield only a Google error page.
single event or a result of a change in policy. How could it have been
implemented anyway?
Routing table fraud seems a likely modus operandi.
Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG
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Re: U.S. begins censoring Internet at U.K.'s request
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Scott Bennett benn...@cs.niu.edu wrote:
I wrote:
http://news.antiwar.com/2010/11/05/us-censors-muslim-websites-list-of-british-mps-who-supported-iraq-war/
Using exit chuckthecanuck gives a Google (!) error page, saying URL
not found. I'll add that exit to my ExcludeExitNodes list with a comment
that the reason is due to DNS hijacking that is probably related to U.S.
censorship.
I changed my mind. I'm adding {ca},{uk},{us} to my ExcludeExitNodes
list with an appropriate comment for later removal in case the U.S. ever
calls off its War on the Internet. :-(
I don't understand why excluding all exit nodes from the US, CA, and
UK, especially if you have only one exit node showing the error?
Altho, I may not understand or I misinterpreted your email
I had no issues with getting the website on google. I had to copy and
paste the url as it would not go directly from the email. Actually,
almost all the url's lately from the email;s don't go directly, I have
to cut and paste to get to them.
Jon
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Re: U.S. begins censoring Internet at U.K.'s request
On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 08:05 -0600, Jon torance...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Scott Bennett benn...@cs.niu.edu wrote:
I wrote:
http://news.antiwar.com/2010/11/05/us-censors-muslim-websites-list-of-british-mps-who-supported-iraq-war/
Using exit chuckthecanuck gives a Google (!) error page, saying URL
not found. I'll add that exit to my ExcludeExitNodes list with a comment
that the reason is due to DNS hijacking that is probably related to U.S.
censorship.
I changed my mind. I'm adding {ca},{uk},{us} to my ExcludeExitNodes
list with an appropriate comment for later removal in case the U.S. ever
calls off its War on the Internet. :-(
I don't understand why excluding all exit nodes from the US, CA, and
UK, especially if you have only one exit node showing the error?
Altho, I may not understand or I misinterpreted your email
I had no issues with getting the website on google. I had to copy and
paste the url as it would not go directly from the email. Actually,
almost all the url's lately from the email;s don't go directly, I have
to cut and paste to get to them.
Jon
The OP is presumably saying that the domain refered to in the
antiwar.com story is unreachable, not antiwar.com itself.
That's because it's been suspended by the registrar: tor-resolve returns
no IP for it and the .com root server reports that no such domain
exists. There may be cached entries floating around though.
GD
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Re: U.S. begins censoring Internet at U.K.'s request
On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 14:17:20 + Geoff Down geoffd...@fastmail.net
wrote:
On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 08:05 -0600, Jon torance...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Scott Bennett benn...@cs.niu.edu wrote:
I wrote:
http://news.antiwar.com/2010/11/05/us-censors-muslim-websites-list-of-british-mps-who-supported-iraq-war/
Using exit chuckthecanuck gives a Google (!) error page, saying URL
not found. I'll add that exit to my ExcludeExitNodes list with a comment
that the reason is due to DNS hijacking that is probably related to U.S.
censorship.
I changed my mind. I'm adding {ca},{uk},{us} to my ExcludeExitNodes
list with an appropriate comment for later removal in case the U.S. ever
calls off its War on the Internet. :-(
I don't understand why excluding all exit nodes from the US, CA, and
UK, especially if you have only one exit node showing the error?
Altho, I may not understand or I misinterpreted your email
I had no issues with getting the website on google. I had to copy and
paste the url as it would not go directly from the email. Actually,
almost all the url's lately from the email;s don't go directly, I have
to cut and paste to get to them.
Jon
The OP is presumably saying that the domain refered to in the
antiwar.com story is unreachable, not antiwar.com itself.
That's because it's been suspended by the registrar: tor-resolve returns
no IP for it and the .com root server reports that no such domain
exists. There may be cached entries floating around though.
Actually, before posting my original note, I had used tor-resolve to
look for an IP address, and it quickly returned 74.125.93.121. Doing a
reverse lookup of that address (also with tor-resolve -x) returned not the
original name but rather qw-in-f121.1e100.net. Plugging either the IP
address or the latter name into the URL got me the same Google error page.
Now, however, tor-resolve on the original name returns
[warn] Got SOCKS5 status response '4': host is unreachable
but the reverse lookup still gives the name shown above.
Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG
**
* Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu *
**
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* objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments *
* -- a standing army. *
*-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 *
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Re: U.S. begins censoring Internet at U.K.'s request
On 11/06/2010 11:02 AM, Scott Bennett wrote:
I wrote:
http://news.antiwar.com/2010/11/05/us-censors-muslim-websites-list-of-british-mps-who-supported-iraq-war/
Using exit chuckthecanuck gives a Google (!) error page, saying URL
not found. I'll add that exit to my ExcludeExitNodes list with a comment
that the reason is due to DNS hijacking that is probably related to U.S.
censorship.
I changed my mind. I'm adding {ca},{uk},{us} to my ExcludeExitNodes
list with an appropriate comment for later removal in case the U.S. ever
calls off its War on the Internet. :-(
Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG
- facepalms -
War on the Internet? Wow... read anything about China lately? ;o)
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Re: U.S. begins censoring Internet at U.K.'s request
On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 08:29 -0600, Scott Bennett benn...@cs.niu.edu
wrote:
On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 14:17:20 + Geoff Down
geoffd...@fastmail.net
wrote:
On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 08:05 -0600, Jon torance...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Scott Bennett benn...@cs.niu.edu wrote:
I wrote:
http://news.antiwar.com/2010/11/05/us-censors-muslim-websites-list-of-british-mps-who-supported-iraq-war/
Using exit chuckthecanuck gives a Google (!) error page, saying
URL
not found. I'll add that exit to my ExcludeExitNodes list with a comment
that the reason is due to DNS hijacking that is probably related to U.S.
censorship.
I changed my mind. I'm adding {ca},{uk},{us} to my ExcludeExitNodes
list with an appropriate comment for later removal in case the U.S. ever
calls off its War on the Internet. :-(
I don't understand why excluding all exit nodes from the US, CA, and
UK, especially if you have only one exit node showing the error?
Altho, I may not understand or I misinterpreted your email
I had no issues with getting the website on google. I had to copy and
paste the url as it would not go directly from the email. Actually,
almost all the url's lately from the email;s don't go directly, I have
to cut and paste to get to them.
Jon
The OP is presumably saying that the domain refered to in the
antiwar.com story is unreachable, not antiwar.com itself.
That's because it's been suspended by the registrar: tor-resolve returns
no IP for it and the .com root server reports that no such domain
exists. There may be cached entries floating around though.
Actually, before posting my original note, I had used tor-resolve to
look for an IP address, and it quickly returned 74.125.93.121. Doing a
reverse lookup of that address (also with tor-resolve -x) returned not
the
original name but rather qw-in-f121.1e100.net. Plugging either the IP
address or the latter name into the URL got me the same Google error
page.
Now, however, tor-resolve on the original name returns
[warn] Got SOCKS5 status response '4': host is unreachable
but the reverse lookup still gives the name shown above.
Both domain 1e100.net and IP 74.125.93.121 beong to Google - hence the
Google error message. Whether the censored domain was originally hosted
there, or the DNS record was temporarily changed before deletion, I
couldn't say.
GD
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Re: U.S. begins censoring Internet at U.K.'s request
On 11/06/2010 11:02 AM, Scott Bennett wrote:
I wrote:
http://news.antiwar.com/2010/11/05/us-censors-muslim-websites-list-of-british-mps-who-supported-iraq-war/
Using exit chuckthecanuck gives a Google (!) error page, saying URL
not found. I'll add that exit to my ExcludeExitNodes list with a comment
that the reason is due to DNS hijacking that is probably related to U.S.
censorship.
I changed my mind. I'm adding {ca},{uk},{us} to my ExcludeExitNodes
list with an appropriate comment for later removal in case the U.S. ever
calls off its War on the Internet. :-(
Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG
A more pragmatic response than my first one:
It's awful soon to be saying it's war, given it's one website. It could
just be an error of some kind, or someone could have taken the site
offline on their end.
It's just something I was taught: Don't be quick to imply malice on the
part of others, since mistakes are far more common.
--
F. Fox
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[OT] Re: U.S. begins censoring Internet at U.K.'s request
- Original Message From: F. Fox kitsune...@gmail.com To: or-talk@freehaven.net Sent: Sun, November 7, 2010 7:19:15 PM Subject: Re: U.S. begins censoring Internet at U.K.'s request It's awful soon to be saying it's war, given it's one website. It could just be an error of some kind, or someone could have taken the site offline on their end. It's just something I was taught: Don't be quick to imply malice on the part of others, since mistakes are far more common. A site going down after a takedown request is more likely than it actually being taken down? We should play cards sometime... Here is more, this time from CNN, except CNN presents net censorship as a good thing. http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/11/05/uk.lawmaker.hit.list/?hpt=T2 CNN has targeted that website for a long time. A search yields several CNN results that rebuke the site. Here is a Google cache of claims from the site operator that CNN aired different questions than the ones he was asked during a telephone interview. http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:FV_0VxaglCIJ:www.revolutionmuslim.com/2010/10/press-release-by-anjem-choudary.html+revolutionmuslim+cnncd=4hl=enct=clnkclient=firefox-a *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: U.S. begins censoring Internet at U.K.'s request
On Sun, 7 Nov 2010, Scott Bennett wrote: Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG What do those two acronyms (ASMELG, CFIAG) mean ? *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
U.S. begins censoring Internet at U.K.'s request
http://news.antiwar.com/2010/11/05/us-censors-muslim-websites-list-of-british-mps-who-supported-iraq-war/ Using exit chuckthecanuck gives a Google (!) error page, saying URL not found. I'll add that exit to my ExcludeExitNodes list with a comment that the reason is due to DNS hijacking that is probably related to U.S. censorship. Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * ** * A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army. * *-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ** *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: U.S. begins censoring Internet at U.K.'s request
I wrote:
http://news.antiwar.com/2010/11/05/us-censors-muslim-websites-list-of-british-mps-who-supported-iraq-war/
Using exit chuckthecanuck gives a Google (!) error page, saying URL
not found. I'll add that exit to my ExcludeExitNodes list with a comment
that the reason is due to DNS hijacking that is probably related to U.S.
censorship.
I changed my mind. I'm adding {ca},{uk},{us} to my ExcludeExitNodes
list with an appropriate comment for later removal in case the U.S. ever
calls off its War on the Internet. :-(
Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG
**
* Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu *
**
* A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good *
* objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments *
* -- a standing army. *
*-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 *
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Re: U.S. begins censoring Internet at U.K.'s request
On 11/6/2010 1:02 PM, Scott Bennett wrote:
I wrote:
http://news.antiwar.com/2010/11/05/us-censors-muslim-websites-list-of-british-mps-who-supported-iraq-war/
Using exit chuckthecanuck gives a Google (!) error page, saying URL
not found. I'll add that exit to my ExcludeExitNodes list with a comment
that the reason is due to DNS hijacking that is probably related to U.S.
censorship.
I changed my mind. I'm adding {ca},{uk},{us} to my ExcludeExitNodes
list with an appropriate comment for later removal in case the U.S. ever
calls off its War on the Internet. :-(
Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG
**
* Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu *
**
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* objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments *
* -- a standing army. *
*-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 *
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How do we know whether that article is accurate, and if it is, is it a
single event or a result of a change in policy. How could it have been
implemented anyway?
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