RE: Windows 2000 Cluster on oracle
Quoting Bernardus Deddy Hoeydiono [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I suggest if your O/S (Win2K) running well ,please don't apply the service if not necessary. Perhaps this is the advice most people followed that's why that Slammer worm took off. -- Lyndon Tiu -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Lyndon Tiu INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Windows 2000 Cluster on oracle
I had to apply the SP1 for Oracle to run. I built the PC from all off-the-shelf inexpensive parts ;) I will now let my Win NT4.0 Server die on its own... - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:09 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L upto you if you're sure that your Windows is OK. But, You have to carefull with the service pack in Windows 2K. I suggest if your O/S (Win2K) running well ,please don't apply the service if not necessary. BTW, What kind of server that you used and spec of the server ? Thank's Bernardus Deddy Hoeydiono. -Original Message- Kirti Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L My recent PC runs Win 2000 Server edition. I have two 9i Rel 2 databases running on it with no problems thus far. In the past several weeks (since I got it), it has not booted by itself. But my NT 4.0 Server (3 years old now), did that twice, in the middle of the night, when no one was watching ;) - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L As much as I hate defending Windoze, Win2k is in fact rather stable, at least Win2k server is. I have one system on Win2k that I reboot, oh, every 6 months or so. Death to NT though. Jared -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Deshpande, Kirti INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Windows 2000 Cluster on oracle
Precisely. Our partner's SA also followed this idea and that's why his Sun server crashed due to a NFS bug. Unfortunately, my database was on it. :( Richard -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:50 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Quoting Bernardus Deddy Hoeydiono [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I suggest if your O/S (Win2K) running well ,please don't apply the service if not necessary. Perhaps this is the advice most people followed that's why that Slammer worm took off. -- Lyndon Tiu -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Lyndon Tiu INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Richard Ji INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Windows 2000 Cluster on oracle
SUN to Windows ?. Why do you want to used Windows. I think SUN more more better than Windows. I suggest please don't used Windows. As you you known the Windows system is not stable. SUN more more stable than Windows. I think you have to think more than twice for using Windows. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 6:29 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sun to Windoz ..h ... are u sure ? - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 2:34 PM Hi, We are looking from migration from Sun box to Windows box. Is anyone used Windows clustering with oracle8i? Is this clustering stable or more frequent creating problem? Please advice Thx -Seema _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Seema Singh INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: BigP INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Bernardus Deddy Hoeydiono INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Windows 2000 Cluster on oracle
Seema, what do you mean by clustering? Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 5:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, We are looking from migration from Sun box to Windows box. Is anyone used Windows clustering with oracle8i? Is this clustering stable or more frequent creating problem? Please advice Thx -Seema _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Seema Singh INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mercadante, Thomas F INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Windows 2000 Cluster on oracle
We have had an excellent experience with our Windows2000 clusters. Since moving to a clustered environment on our Test, Beta and Production systems over 18 months ago we have had 0 ( Zero ) outages due to Windows. in fact I have yet to see a BSOD on over 20 database servers since going to Windows2000. Saying Windows is unstable shows a lack of understanding of what Windows2000 is today. Carrying the baggage of WindowsNT forward is a disservice. I say go for it. In fact we will be moving to 9i RAC by the end of this year and we are planning on using Windows as our Oracle platform. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 1:49 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L SUN to Windows ?. Why do you want to used Windows. I think SUN more more better than Windows. I suggest please don't used Windows. As you you known the Windows system is not stable. SUN more more stable than Windows. I think you have to think more than twice for using Windows. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 6:29 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sun to Windoz ..h ... are u sure ? - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 2:34 PM Hi, We are looking from migration from Sun box to Windows box. Is anyone used Windows clustering with oracle8i? Is this clustering stable or more frequent creating problem? Please advice Thx -Seema _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Seema Singh INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: BigP INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Bernardus Deddy Hoeydiono INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Tony Johnson INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Windows 2000 Cluster on oracle
Saying Windows is unstable shows no lack of understanding. It is a fact. At least a fact for me. I try to keep my Win2000 as stable as possible, but since the kernel now contains fun things like *video* (not in the original plans for this New Technology), I must reboot at least once a week or face the possibility of system failure (video flakes, Windohs Exploder explodes and/or memory leaks, etc. -- sans BSOD). I reluctantly run some Oracle products on this machine for now. We are in the process of moving OMS and Names to a Linux box for stability. And the baggage of WindowsNT as you put it must be carried forward at least until Windohs2000 stops being built using NT technology, whatever the hell that means. This message is brought to you using e-mail technology. Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 10:54 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We have had an excellent experience with our Windows2000 clusters. Since moving to a clustered environment on our Test, Beta and Production systems over 18 months ago we have had 0 ( Zero ) outages due to Windows. in fact I have yet to see a BSOD on over 20 database servers since going to Windows2000. Saying Windows is unstable shows a lack of understanding of what Windows2000 is today. Carrying the baggage of WindowsNT forward is a disservice. I say go for it. In fact we will be moving to 9i RAC by the end of this year and we are planning on using Windows as our Oracle platform. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Windows 2000 Cluster on oracle
Windows is cheaper than SUN. Linux is cheaper than Windows. Quoting Tony Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: We have had an excellent experience with our Windows2000 clusters. Since moving to a clustered environment on our Test, Beta and Production systems over 18 months ago we have had 0 ( Zero ) outages due to Windows. in fact I have yet to see a BSOD on over 20 database servers since going to Windows2000. Saying Windows is unstable shows a lack of understanding of what Windows2000 is today. Carrying the baggage of WindowsNT forward is a disservice. I say go for it. In fact we will be moving to 9i RAC by the end of this year and we are planning on using Windows as our Oracle platform. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 1:49 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L SUN to Windows ?. Why do you want to used Windows. I think SUN more more better than Windows. I suggest please don't used Windows. As you you known the Windows system is not stable. SUN more more stable than Windows. I think you have to think more than twice for using Windows. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 6:29 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sun to Windoz ..h ... are u sure ? - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 2:34 PM Hi, We are looking from migration from Sun box to Windows box. Is anyone used Windows clustering with oracle8i? Is this clustering stable or more frequent creating problem? Please advice Thx -Seema _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Seema Singh INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: BigP INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Bernardus Deddy Hoeydiono INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Tony Johnson INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Lyndon Tiu -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Lyndon Tiu INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the
RE: Windows 2000 Cluster on oracle
As much as I hate defending Windoze, Win2k is in fact rather stable, at least Win2k server is. I have one system on Win2k that I reboot, oh, every 6 months or so. Death to NT though. Jared Bernardus Deddy Hoeydiono [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/05/2003 12:48 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: Windows 2000 Cluster on oracle SUN to Windows ?. Why do you want to used Windows. I think SUN more more better than Windows. I suggest please don't used Windows. As you you known the Windows system is not stable. SUN more more stable than Windows. I think you have to think more than twice for using Windows. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 6:29 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sun to Windoz ..h ... are u sure ? - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 2:34 PM Hi, We are looking from migration from Sun box to Windows box. Is anyone used Windows clustering with oracle8i? Is this clustering stable or more frequent creating problem? Please advice Thx -Seema _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Seema Singh INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: BigP INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Bernardus Deddy Hoeydiono INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Windows 2000 Cluster on oracle
-Original Message- As much as I hate defending Windoze, Win2k is in fact rather stable, at least Win2k server is. I have one system on Win2k that I reboot, oh, every 6 months or so. Death to NT though. The biggest problem that I have seen is (to me anyway) not one of stability (I'll leave that to the bare-metal boys to argue about) but that it is not really multi-user. I think it only supports two users. 1. You're an administrator and can do anything you want. 2. You're not an administrator and can't do squat. The idea of an application owner, somewhere in between -- someone who needs to stop and start the app; install patches and upgrades to the app; but only have access to his/her stuff and nobody else's stuff -- doesn't seem to be well supported. So the person who has a web app on the same box as your database has complete access (or can take it) to any of your stuff. Then there is the issue of all the missing Unix scripting utilities ... which I suppose you can install ... if you are *THE* administrator and not just *AN* administrator ... because we sure don't want *AN* administrator pissing off *THE* administrator ... which the Oracle DBA in a company of any size probably is not. And you have to listen to *THE* administrators constantly whine about the Oracle DBA being *AN* administrator, and accidentally revoking the DBA's admin privileges from time to time. Then there is the issue of doing all your admin stuff on a 28K dial-up line after hours; NOT where you want to use a GUI! But *THE* administrators have only made provision for their easy dial-up access; and screw anyone who might only be *AN* administrator. Windows is cheaper than SUN. Linux is cheaper than Windows. Try comparing prices for a large Dell Xeon box versus a Sun V880 box. The bigger you get, the more competitive the mainline Unix boys get. - -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Windows 2000 Cluster on oracle
Oh yeah, the thing I hate most about Windows as a server. Try to do remote administration from any machine regardless of the OS. Richard Ji -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 5:42 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L -Original Message- As much as I hate defending Windoze, Win2k is in fact rather stable, at least Win2k server is. I have one system on Win2k that I reboot, oh, every 6 months or so. Death to NT though. The biggest problem that I have seen is (to me anyway) not one of stability (I'll leave that to the bare-metal boys to argue about) but that it is not really multi-user. I think it only supports two users. 1. You're an administrator and can do anything you want. 2. You're not an administrator and can't do squat. The idea of an application owner, somewhere in between -- someone who needs to stop and start the app; install patches and upgrades to the app; but only have access to his/her stuff and nobody else's stuff -- doesn't seem to be well supported. So the person who has a web app on the same box as your database has complete access (or can take it) to any of your stuff. Then there is the issue of all the missing Unix scripting utilities ... which I suppose you can install ... if you are *THE* administrator and not just *AN* administrator ... because we sure don't want *AN* administrator pissing off *THE* administrator ... which the Oracle DBA in a company of any size probably is not. And you have to listen to *THE* administrators constantly whine about the Oracle DBA being *AN* administrator, and accidentally revoking the DBA's admin privileges from time to time. Then there is the issue of doing all your admin stuff on a 28K dial-up line after hours; NOT where you want to use a GUI! But *THE* administrators have only made provision for their easy dial-up access; and screw anyone who might only be *AN* administrator. Windows is cheaper than SUN. Linux is cheaper than Windows. Try comparing prices for a large Dell Xeon box versus a Sun V880 box. The bigger you get, the more competitive the mainline Unix boys get. - -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Richard Ji INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Windows 2000 Cluster on oracle
Stephen - I appreciate your comments. One of the hard things for me to understand is that if you're going to be working on W2K, better plan on being the administrator. At Unix sites we tend to have DBAs supported by sys admins. Some shops may indeed treat W2K that way. But usually if you are always asking the NT administrator to do tasks that the sys admins always insisted they do on Unix, you end up being viewed as some sort of novice or old crank that isn't self-sufficient like everyone else. At our company, to get around some issues of developers just messing around with production W2K servers like it was their own PC, we are looking to the ITIL standards and creating a staging server between test and production. This will be a mirror of production. Software and installation instructions will be provided by developers. A test install will be performed on staging, and some tests performed. If everything is okay, then it will be scheduled for a production install. If problems are encountered, it will be bounced back to the developers to get their act together. Has anyone tried this? Overkill/impractical? -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 4:42 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L -Original Message- As much as I hate defending Windoze, Win2k is in fact rather stable, at least Win2k server is. I have one system on Win2k that I reboot, oh, every 6 months or so. Death to NT though. The biggest problem that I have seen is (to me anyway) not one of stability (I'll leave that to the bare-metal boys to argue about) but that it is not really multi-user. I think it only supports two users. 1. You're an administrator and can do anything you want. 2. You're not an administrator and can't do squat. The idea of an application owner, somewhere in between -- someone who needs to stop and start the app; install patches and upgrades to the app; but only have access to his/her stuff and nobody else's stuff -- doesn't seem to be well supported. So the person who has a web app on the same box as your database has complete access (or can take it) to any of your stuff. Then there is the issue of all the missing Unix scripting utilities ... which I suppose you can install ... if you are *THE* administrator and not just *AN* administrator ... because we sure don't want *AN* administrator pissing off *THE* administrator ... which the Oracle DBA in a company of any size probably is not. And you have to listen to *THE* administrators constantly whine about the Oracle DBA being *AN* administrator, and accidentally revoking the DBA's admin privileges from time to time. Then there is the issue of doing all your admin stuff on a 28K dial-up line after hours; NOT where you want to use a GUI! But *THE* administrators have only made provision for their easy dial-up access; and screw anyone who might only be *AN* administrator. Windows is cheaper than SUN. Linux is cheaper than Windows. Try comparing prices for a large Dell Xeon box versus a Sun V880 box. The bigger you get, the more competitive the mainline Unix boys get. - -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Windows 2000 Cluster on oracle
My recent PC runs Win 2000 Server edition. I have two 9i Rel 2 databases running on it with no problems thus far. In the past several weeks (since I got it), it has not booted by itself. But my NT 4.0 Server (3 years old now), did that twice, in the middle of the night, when no one was watching ;) - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L As much as I hate defending Windoze, Win2k is in fact rather stable, at least Win2k server is. I have one system on Win2k that I reboot, oh, every 6 months or so. Death to NT though. Jared -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Deshpande, Kirti INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Windows 2000 Cluster on oracle
upto you if you're sure that your Windows is OK. But, You have to carefull with the service pack in Windows 2K. I suggest if your O/S (Win2K) running well ,please don't apply the service if not necessary. BTW, What kind of server that you used and spec of the server ? Thank's Bernardus Deddy Hoeydiono. -Original Message- Kirti Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L My recent PC runs Win 2000 Server edition. I have two 9i Rel 2 databases running on it with no problems thus far. In the past several weeks (since I got it), it has not booted by itself. But my NT 4.0 Server (3 years old now), did that twice, in the middle of the night, when no one was watching ;) - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L As much as I hate defending Windoze, Win2k is in fact rather stable, at least Win2k server is. I have one system on Win2k that I reboot, oh, every 6 months or so. Death to NT though. Jared -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Deshpande, Kirti INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Bernardus Deddy Hoeydiono INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Windows 2000 Cluster on oracle
Sun to Windoz ..h ... are u sure ? - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 2:34 PM Hi, We are looking from migration from Sun box to Windows box. Is anyone used Windows clustering with oracle8i? Is this clustering stable or more frequent creating problem? Please advice Thx -Seema _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Seema Singh INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: BigP INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Windows 2000 Cluster on oracle
Seema, Yes, there is. On NT4 it was called MS Cluster Service, not so much cluster 'scalability-wise', but it allowed for failover. Oracle supplied some software on top of that: Oracle Fail Safe. If you only want failover, it's sufficient to use those product, you don't need RAC or OPS. It worked OK for many shops: so I'm convinced it's W2K successor(s) will do the job also. I'm exclusively involved with Unix the last few years, so I don't now the exact current status. I do know though, that HP(!) Trucluster, as Mladen suggested, is a (Tru64) Unix product and has nothing to do with W2K. regards, Mario Broodbakker(HP) -Original Message- Sent: dinsdag 28 januari 2003 18:40 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi I wanted to migrate my database from SUN solaris to WINDOWS 2000 platform.Curetly I am having sun cluster as failover with shared disk. I wanted to setup similar kind of setup with windows 2000. Is any failover option available in Windows2000? Let me know if anyone does such kind of setup earlier ? Thx -Seema _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Seema Singh INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Broodbakker, Mario INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Windows 2000 Cluster on oracle
Yes you can go for Active-Active cluster configuration of RAC or else Active-Passive configuration of Oracle Fail Safe on Windows Cluster. Both of these are available on Windows 2000 cluster. Let me know, if you want more info. HTH, Rajesh -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 9:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi I wanted to migrate my database from SUN solaris to WINDOWS 2000 platform.Curetly I am having sun cluster as failover with shared disk. I wanted to setup similar kind of setup with windows 2000. Is any failover option available in Windows2000? Let me know if anyone does such kind of setup earlier ? Thx -Seema _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Seema Singh INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rajesh Dayal INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Windows 2000 Cluster on oracle
-Original Message- I wanted to migrate my database from SUN solaris to WINDOWS 2000 platform. - ... and there was a time when I thought it would be neat to put splinters in my bathroom tissue. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Windows 2000 Cluster on oracle
HP has such a software. It used to be know as Compaq TrueCluster. As for migrating from Solaris to Windows,it's a good decision. Many software packages do not work at all with Solaris or any Unix version. One that has become very popular lately is called slammer. It only works with Win2k and SQL Server. That should be motivation enough to migrate. Your life is about to get interesting. -Original Message- From: Seema Singh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 12:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Windows 2000 Cluster on oracle Hi I wanted to migrate my database from SUN solaris to WINDOWS 2000 platform.Curetly I am having sun cluster as failover with shared disk. I wanted to setup similar kind of setup with windows 2000. Is any failover option available in Windows2000? Let me know if anyone does such kind of setup earlier ? Thx -Seema _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Seema Singh INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Windows 2000 Cluster on oracle
LMAOROTF --- Gogala, Mladen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HP has such a software. It used to be know as Compaq TrueCluster. As for migrating from Solaris to Windows,it's a good decision. Many software packages do not work at all with Solaris or any Unix version. One that has become very popular lately is called slammer. It only works with Win2k and SQL Server. That should be motivation enough to migrate. Your life is about to get interesting. -Original Message- From: Seema Singh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 12:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Windows 2000 Cluster on oracle Hi I wanted to migrate my database from SUN solaris to WINDOWS 2000 platform.Curetly I am having sun cluster as failover with shared disk. I wanted to setup similar kind of setup with windows 2000. Is any failover option available in Windows2000? Let me know if anyone does such kind of setup earlier ? Thx -Seema _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Seema Singh INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: rich rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
