Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian
I do agree what rafe said. Community is an open group, so there's should nothing involving one person thought. For me, what FiMOS do is not really be accepted at the beginning, but if you think back, FiMOS is not like molloin dololars Canonical that can produce and ship the disk for free. When I were planning to do our own distro priject with bizkut (well not a really a distro, which is now has been freeze because of some problem), the idea are still the same but came out with limited edition netbooks. Reasons? Nakkan modal balik dulu. Mungkin peringkat awal mereka jual, tapi siapa tau akhirnya jadi seperti Sabily; an Ubuntu based that build up with an edition for that distro, but in the end they has been accused violated the trademark (which is clearly they did), and after transforming to Sabily, they manage to make their own version although still dependent to Ubuntu but still, they have their own repository. That's one one man job, tapi komuniti Ubuntu Muslim Edition di waktu itu menentukan. Walaupun marketing berbeza, tapi stratergy masih sama. Harap-harap pihak FiMOS dapat lepaskan source code supaya bertepatan dengan lesen GNU-GPL v3.0. Apa-apa pun good luck, the community will back up the project and let's the project bloom. Harap thred ni *kalau boleh* tamat di sini ajelah, penat den nak baca satu-satu. Ahaks! OshiriX? sampai sekarang aku jumpa siapa developer diorang. HAHA. (wait, I heard that distro has been made by one person only) :p On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 3:15 PM, riZer Enterprise rizerenterpr...@gmail.com wrote: are you coming for the first malaysian distro workshop? hope to see you all there and why not next time distro workshop in penang hehe... enjoy azhar 2011/3/12 rafe azsnal azs...@gmail.com dude. if you want to do know the way of the community, let it be open and known. lets get everyone involve and everyone to solve. no point of dragging it longer and longer... On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 1:05 AM, riZer Enterprise rizerenterpr...@gmail.com wrote: the best kita face to face 26.3 ok? have a good night 2011/3/12 rafe azsnal azs...@gmail.com bro, you are saying as if we have no brain and we can't think which is right and which is not... what to believed and what to not. what your actual problem with FIMOS? let us know maybe some of us here know more stories than you do.. On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 12:53 AM, riZer Enterprise rizerenterpr...@gmail.com wrote: orait orait katalah korang boleh accept ini. don't you think that you akan dijual seluruhnya. sanggupkah korang menggadaikan the only thing that we got untuk this crap. maksudnya korang sanggup lah beli proton saga walaupun korang kena tipu harga kat luar jauh lebih murah dari malaysia topeng macam2 ada babe. topeng muka baik lagi belambak. topeng nak pekena orang pun tak terkecuali. takpelah kalau korang puas hati dia ni bermaksud baik kepada komuniti dan korang confirm yang dia ni takkan menjual korang seluruhnya ok. kita tengok sapa pakai topeng nanti. azhar 2011/3/11 rafe azsnal azs...@gmail.com Dude, bila orang berbudi kita berbahasa. Community is not an individual but a group of people who share the same interest and passion toward completing a single or multiple objective. You can't change the world overnight. It take times and it takes effort to built and to succed. By not taking the +ve side of thing you are already a -ve person and your whole view are turn only to one side which limit the freedom of choice itself. One must be knowledgeable in what one have commented regardless or you might end up in a hole where you can't see the light anymore. And to note to that how sure are you when you put a statement above when you said open bravo and open core are limited by capacity toward the OSS movement? You better be ready to stand and defend your statement, where if you see and read in the mailing list a statement and explaination was clearly spoken upon. rafe On Mar 11, 2011 10:27 PM, riZer Enterprise rizerenterpr...@gmail.com wrote: anggaplah ini satu komen yang membina bukan nak condemned. condemntu kalau sakit hati sikit sikit tak pa sekurang kurangnya kita akan beringat http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/who-owns-linux/17 kalau kau taknak bantu komuniti jadi kau bukan lah geng open sos kau leh kuar ke open bravo or open core or whateva you are not in. go sell your stuff somewhere else. we community are the one who own it. ingat linux ni kita punya kalau kau nak manipulate orang silakan tapi you r not open source ok? azhar Pada 11 Mac 2011 9:05 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com menulis: Kita perlu bermula. Sama ada kita suka atau tidak dengan cara mereka, we have to make that mo... -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group
Re: [osdcmy] Minta petunjuk tentang LPIC-1
ala, simpan la gaji dalam 5 bulan, apply la ambik LPI.. aku plan pun macam tu sekarang..tapi nak kad lesen kereta dulu :p On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Soire Meira soire...@gmail.com wrote: sama la.. he3.. nk jgk Kad LPI tu.. tgh kumpul duit.. he3 Pada 12 Mac 2011 8:11 AM, Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar u...@umarzuki.orgmenulis: Kalau ada sponsor ini jam pun aku nak pergi On 03/12/2011 02:25 AM, Garfield WTF wrote: Bagi aku, ape-ape certification pun aku nak cuba. Asalkan exam fees cukup murah/free, ataupun ade org nak sponsor aku. hahahah -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- -- *Maui Sabily 2011* mauisab...@sabily.org *GPG KeyID*: DBDA3074 *GPG Fingerprint*: 3CCE D281 C894 4FB0 3D22 2141 75C6 E41F DBDA 3074 Soire Meira 2008 - 2011 EascobaNET, Inc 2006 - 2010 Ch0kL@Thack 2002 PaleoY2K 1998 - 2000 http://www.sabily.my http://www.sabily-my.tk Developer: Sabily NetBook Remix 10.10 Al-Qudshttp://mirror.spanasia.net/pub/simpleLinux/Pub/sabily.my/SabilyNR.iso Sabily Zakat Calc 0.2-1 Beta (Debian) https://launchpad.net/zakat-calc Asmawi Office 0.1 Alpha (Webase Presentiton) http://www.asmawioffice.tk/ Soire TV Radio http://www.soire.webs.com/ (Windows Only - continue version on Linux) BrutuSamaDia http://www.soire.webs.com/ (Remote Desktop Penetration Testing) Mauiware.AYU.0.6 http://www.soire.webs.com/ (Virus Cleanner Get Back Hidden Files) Malicious of Dark Knight - Hack To Learn, Don't Learn To Hack -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- Muhd Syazwan @ jipang_menjerit http://about.me/syazwan/bio http://blog.ubuntuseekers.com http://blog.syazwan.co.cc jipangmenje...@gmail.com jipang_menje...@ubuntuseekers.com One Online Radio :: Radio yang Suka Bercakap http://radio.syazwan.co.cc -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian
@Rizer, nop, this time's Inter-Distro Workshop is the 2nd ones. The 1st ones only Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSuse, Debian, FreeBSD/PCBSD Sabily attend. @Syazwan, OshiriX is powerful. A very good distro. The developer wanted to remain anonymous, which we all should respect his decision, coz his intention, is only to share what he made with the public, and not asking for fame. -- *GarfieldWTF http://garfield.in* Debian User Community (Malaysia) *http://debmal.my* - *CS Squad VPS Hosting http://cart.cs-squad.net/cart.php?gid=1* -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian
Bermula dari oshirix lah.. saya kenal linux... alhamdullilah~ On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Garfield WTF garfi...@debmal.my wrote: @Rizer, nop, this time's Inter-Distro Workshop is the 2nd ones. The 1st ones only Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSuse, Debian, FreeBSD/PCBSD Sabily attend. @Syazwan, OshiriX is powerful. A very good distro. The developer wanted to remain anonymous, which we all should respect his decision, coz his intention, is only to share what he made with the public, and not asking for fame. -- GarfieldWTF Debian User Community (Malaysia) http://debmal.my - CS Squad VPS Hosting -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- VISIT ME @ HTTP://WWW.MASOKIS.COM -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Minta petunjuk tentang LPIC-1
Ada sesiapa boleh kongsikan paper soalan2 untuk LPIC -1 ? atau buku yang bagus ? -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian
kalau dapat jumpa orang buat OshiriX tu, memang menuntut aku buat kernal compiling On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 9:39 PM, MASOKIS maso...@gmail.com wrote: Bermula dari oshirix lah.. saya kenal linux... alhamdullilah~ On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Garfield WTF garfi...@debmal.my wrote: @Rizer, nop, this time's Inter-Distro Workshop is the 2nd ones. The 1st ones only Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSuse, Debian, FreeBSD/PCBSD Sabily attend. @Syazwan, OshiriX is powerful. A very good distro. The developer wanted to remain anonymous, which we all should respect his decision, coz his intention, is only to share what he made with the public, and not asking for fame. -- GarfieldWTF Debian User Community (Malaysia) http://debmal.my - CS Squad VPS Hosting -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- VISIT ME @ HTTP://WWW.MASOKIS.COM -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- Muhd Syazwan @ jipang_menjerit http://about.me/syazwan/bio http://blog.ubuntuseekers.com http://blog.syazwan.co.cc jipangmenje...@gmail.com jipang_menje...@ubuntuseekers.com One Online Radio :: Radio yang Suka Bercakap http://radio.syazwan.co.cc -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Minta petunjuk tentang LPIC-1
boleh donlot nota dan soalan yang mungkin akan keluar/ atau konon mirip2 dari website ini - http://www.lpi.org/eng/certification/the_lpic_program On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 9:41 PM, MASOKIS maso...@gmail.com wrote: Ada sesiapa boleh kongsikan paper soalan2 untuk LPIC -1 ? atau buku yang bagus ? -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- When there are Thousand of People go against you and only one at your side, trust me, I'm the one - akusaiful. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian
Sy tetap sokong tuan tajul . Regards, e1 Sent from GreenBerry® Smartphone -Original Message- From: Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin pislissnif...@gmail.com Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 10:31:43 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian Sabily violated and accused by Ubuntu? I think its just misunderstanding from Canonical Management, and after Sabily developer manage to meet Mark Shuttleworth personally, he don't have any problem if Sabily want to use the name Ubuntu Muslim Edition, eventhough we had change our name to Sabily. Surprisingly, he didn't know that we have been accused to use word Ubuntu Muslim Edition. After a discussion made in mailing list, everybody agreed to use Sabily as a project name, and Mark don't have any problem with that. Sabily is clearly derivatives from Ubuntu like edubuntu or kubuntu or any derivatives from Ubuntu. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile. -Original Message- From: Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini jipangmenje...@gmail.com Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 18:15:04 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian I do agree what rafe said. Community is an open group, so there's should nothing involving one person thought. For me, what FiMOS do is not really be accepted at the beginning, but if you think back, FiMOS is not like molloin dololars Canonical that can produce and ship the disk for free. When I were planning to do our own distro priject with bizkut (well not a really a distro, which is now has been freeze because of some problem), the idea are still the same but came out with limited edition netbooks. Reasons? Nakkan modal balik dulu. Mungkin peringkat awal mereka jual, tapi siapa tau akhirnya jadi seperti Sabily; an Ubuntu based that build up with an edition for that distro, but in the end they has been accused violated the trademark (which is clearly they did), and after transforming to Sabily, they manage to make their own version although still dependent to Ubuntu but still, they have their own repository. That's one one man job, tapi komuniti Ubuntu Muslim Edition di waktu itu menentukan. Walaupun marketing berbeza, tapi stratergy masih sama. Harap-harap pihak FiMOS dapat lepaskan source code supaya bertepatan dengan lesen GNU-GPL v3.0. Apa-apa pun good luck, the community will back up the project and let's the project bloom. Harap thred ni *kalau boleh* tamat di sini ajelah, penat den nak baca satu-satu. Ahaks! OshiriX? sampai sekarang aku jumpa siapa developer diorang. HAHA. (wait, I heard that distro has been made by one person only) :p On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 3:15 PM, riZer Enterprise rizerenterpr...@gmail.com wrote: are you coming for the first malaysian distro workshop? hope to see you all there and why not next time distro workshop in penang hehe... enjoy azhar 2011/3/12 rafe azsnal azs...@gmail.com dude. if you want to do know the way of the community, let it be open and known. lets get everyone involve and everyone to solve. no point of dragging it longer and longer... On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 1:05 AM, riZer Enterprise rizerenterpr...@gmail.com wrote: the best kita face to face 26.3 ok? have a good night 2011/3/12 rafe azsnal azs...@gmail.com bro, you are saying as if we have no brain and we can't think which is right and which is not... what to believed and what to not. what your actual problem with FIMOS? let us know maybe some of us here know more stories than you do.. On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 12:53 AM, riZer Enterprise rizerenterpr...@gmail.com wrote: orait orait katalah korang boleh accept ini. don't you think that you akan dijual seluruhnya. sanggupkah korang menggadaikan the only thing that we got untuk this crap. maksudnya korang sanggup lah beli proton saga walaupun korang kena tipu harga kat luar jauh lebih murah dari malaysia topeng macam2 ada babe. topeng muka baik lagi belambak. topeng nak pekena orang pun tak terkecuali. takpelah kalau korang puas hati dia ni bermaksud baik kepada komuniti dan korang confirm yang dia ni takkan menjual korang seluruhnya ok. kita tengok sapa pakai topeng nanti. azhar 2011/3/11 rafe azsnal azs...@gmail.com Dude, bila orang berbudi kita berbahasa. Community is not an individual but a group of people who share the same interest and passion toward completing a single or multiple objective. You can't change the world overnight. It take times and it takes effort to built and to succed. By not taking the +ve side of thing you are already a -ve person and your whole view are turn only to one side which limit the freedom of choice itself. One must be knowledgeable in what one have
Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian
Sokong? Cam mengundi je ;) P.S: Jangan lupa bawa ole2 dari Sarawak Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile. -Original Message- From: Mohd Hidzuan Zainul Hashim hidz...@gmail.com Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 14:34:16 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian Sy tetap sokong tuan tajul . Regards, e1 Sent from GreenBerry® Smartphone -Original Message- From: Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin pislissnif...@gmail.com Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 10:31:43 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian Sabily violated and accused by Ubuntu? I think its just misunderstanding from Canonical Management, and after Sabily developer manage to meet Mark Shuttleworth personally, he don't have any problem if Sabily want to use the name Ubuntu Muslim Edition, eventhough we had change our name to Sabily. Surprisingly, he didn't know that we have been accused to use word Ubuntu Muslim Edition. After a discussion made in mailing list, everybody agreed to use Sabily as a project name, and Mark don't have any problem with that. Sabily is clearly derivatives from Ubuntu like edubuntu or kubuntu or any derivatives from Ubuntu. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile. -Original Message- From: Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini jipangmenje...@gmail.com Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 18:15:04 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian I do agree what rafe said. Community is an open group, so there's should nothing involving one person thought. For me, what FiMOS do is not really be accepted at the beginning, but if you think back, FiMOS is not like molloin dololars Canonical that can produce and ship the disk for free. When I were planning to do our own distro priject with bizkut (well not a really a distro, which is now has been freeze because of some problem), the idea are still the same but came out with limited edition netbooks. Reasons? Nakkan modal balik dulu. Mungkin peringkat awal mereka jual, tapi siapa tau akhirnya jadi seperti Sabily; an Ubuntu based that build up with an edition for that distro, but in the end they has been accused violated the trademark (which is clearly they did), and after transforming to Sabily, they manage to make their own version although still dependent to Ubuntu but still, they have their own repository. That's one one man job, tapi komuniti Ubuntu Muslim Edition di waktu itu menentukan. Walaupun marketing berbeza, tapi stratergy masih sama. Harap-harap pihak FiMOS dapat lepaskan source code supaya bertepatan dengan lesen GNU-GPL v3.0. Apa-apa pun good luck, the community will back up the project and let's the project bloom. Harap thred ni *kalau boleh* tamat di sini ajelah, penat den nak baca satu-satu. Ahaks! OshiriX? sampai sekarang aku jumpa siapa developer diorang. HAHA. (wait, I heard that distro has been made by one person only) :p On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 3:15 PM, riZer Enterprise rizerenterpr...@gmail.com wrote: are you coming for the first malaysian distro workshop? hope to see you all there and why not next time distro workshop in penang hehe... enjoy azhar 2011/3/12 rafe azsnal azs...@gmail.com dude. if you want to do know the way of the community, let it be open and known. lets get everyone involve and everyone to solve. no point of dragging it longer and longer... On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 1:05 AM, riZer Enterprise rizerenterpr...@gmail.com wrote: the best kita face to face 26.3 ok? have a good night 2011/3/12 rafe azsnal azs...@gmail.com bro, you are saying as if we have no brain and we can't think which is right and which is not... what to believed and what to not. what your actual problem with FIMOS? let us know maybe some of us here know more stories than you do.. On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 12:53 AM, riZer Enterprise rizerenterpr...@gmail.com wrote: orait orait katalah korang boleh accept ini. don't you think that you akan dijual seluruhnya. sanggupkah korang menggadaikan the only thing that we got untuk this crap. maksudnya korang sanggup lah beli proton saga walaupun korang kena tipu harga kat luar jauh lebih murah dari malaysia topeng macam2 ada babe. topeng muka baik lagi belambak. topeng nak pekena orang pun tak terkecuali. takpelah kalau korang puas hati dia ni bermaksud baik kepada komuniti dan korang confirm yang dia ni takkan menjual korang seluruhnya ok. kita tengok sapa pakai topeng nanti. azhar 2011/3/11 rafe azsnal azs...@gmail.com Dude, bila orang berbudi kita berbahasa. Community is not an individual but a group
Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian
Saya mengucapkan agar projek FiMOS ni berjaya. Semoga mencapai sasaran yang hendak dicapai. Semoga pembangunan FiMOS ni berterusan. Saya cadangkan agar buka 1 IRC @ FORUM @ Mailing list tersendiri dari FiMOS. Supaya boleh dirujuk untuk tujuan dokumentasi, penyelidikan, aduan masalah dan sebagainya. Lagipun memudahkan pihak pembangun untuk merekod dan menapis informasi.sepanjang saya menuntut, saya minat untuk mengali hasil pembangunan anak tempatan. Saya pun tak tahu kenapa..cuma saya rasa, saya suka menkaji dan belajar. Bagi saya, OSS yang utama ialah sistem operasi iaitu linux. barulah dituruti dengan perisian. nak bawa nama sistem-operasi ni mesti susahkan ? saya pun tak manpu.. tapi saya dah ada mencuba banyak kali. sangat susah. Jadi, mungkin pihak FiMOS boleh tunjuk ajar sedikit sebanyak bagaimana RD dibuat. pandangan saya, semua komen harus diterima dan difikirkan. Ambil yang menjadi kekurangan itu untuk dibaiki. yang lain, boleh diabaikan sahaja. Sejarah mengajar kita untuk meperbaiki kesilapan. Saya juga minta maaf sebab my1os dahulu, niat saya nak belajar mcmana hendak remaster sesebuah distro... tapi ada yang salah faham pula.. tapi semua dah selesai, alhamdulillah :) saya juga dah cuba fahami (http://www.opensource.org/osd.html) maksud sumber-terbuka. semoga perjalanan FiMOS berjalan lancar. bergitu juga dengan pembangunan sistem operasi seperti oshirix , simpleLinux lain-lain lagi serta pembangunan perisian. Selamat maju jaya. :') P.s : maaf.. pakai taip je, tak sempat nak susun ayat . cuma nak melontarkan 1 pandangan. -- VISIT ME @ HTTP://WWW.MASOKIS.COM -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian
Assalamualaikum dan salam sejahtera, Sebentar tadi baru saya terfikir, sedang kita minta mana-mana Distros untuk release source codes mereka, kita sebenarnya meminta yang sememang telah disebarkan oleh setiap projek dan perisian OSS yang dalam Distros. Sebagai contoh :- 1) Apabila sesebuah Distros mengatakan mereka base on Linux, maka dengan sendirinya kita boleh dapatkan source codes Kernel Linux dan apa jua yang digunakan oleh Distro tersebut terus daripada projek websites. Kita hanya perlu tahu apa yang mereka gunakan dan thats it. Source codes sememang ada dimana. Soalan saya, kepada pengguna Linux Distro seperti Debian, Ubuntu, OpenSuse dan Fedora, siapa yang config repos atau yum atau apt untuk download source codes RPM atau DEB. Saya pun tak mahu sebab terlalu besar 2) Jika ada customization atau sebarang trademark dimasukkan dalam hasil Distro maka ia adalah hak punya pembuatnya dan pemilik trademark. Sebagai contoh, jika kita ambil CD ubuntu dan keluarkan semua dalam CD tersebut apa jua trademark Ubuntu, dan sebarkan semula sebagai CD Linux, maka kita tidak salah.. Sebab isi perut CD adalah perisian OSS. Kita telah keluarkan perkara yang Canonical akan marah, perkataan dan logo Ubuntu. Begitu juga dalam kes Centos. Semua trademark dan copyright dan apa jua software bukan OSS telah dikeluarkan dan disebarkan semula sebagai Centos. Red Hat tidak bising pun... Malah secara tidak rasmi membantu pihak komuniti Centos untuk kenal pasti mana Red Hat yang punya dan diminta dikeluarkan. Jadi soalan saya, jika saya ambil asal dulu CD ubuntu yang dah jadi CD Linux kemudian saya customize dan masukkan logo dan apa jua nama saya dan namakan Distro LinuxMalaysia, adakah saya salah? 3) Apa juga perisian yang dibuat sendiri pembangun adalah hak mereka. Sekiranya mereka putuskan apa yang mereka tulis dan compile adalah copyright mereka dan source codes hak mereka, maka itu hak mereka. Jika mereka sebarkan dalam CD Linux distros pun, kita masih tiada hak untuk menuntut mereka perlu tunjukkan source codes. Perisian tertutup yang dijalankan atas Linux yang sumber terbuka tiada kaitan apa pun dari segi lesen. Lesen anda adalah lesen anda dan lesen saya adalah lesen saya. Yang terdekat adalah Googlebuntu. Banyak lagi saya nak tulis tapi sudah jauh malam dan mengantuk, saya biarkan ini dulu untuk perbincangan. Wassalam. Harisfazillah Jamel -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian
it is misunderstanding, but after the Sabily guy met Shuttleworth. lagipun banyak sangat version, nak follow mana satu pun payah. the stories goes same with Ultimate Edition (Ubuntu Ultimate Edition) and some number of project that got 'buntu' at the back :p On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin pislissnif...@gmail.com wrote: Sabily violated and accused by Ubuntu? I think its just misunderstanding from Canonical Management, and after Sabily developer manage to meet Mark Shuttleworth personally, he don't have any problem if Sabily want to use the name Ubuntu Muslim Edition, eventhough we had change our name to Sabily. Surprisingly, he didn't know that we have been accused to use word Ubuntu Muslim Edition. After a discussion made in mailing list, everybody agreed to use Sabily as a project name, and Mark don't have any problem with that. Sabily is clearly derivatives from Ubuntu like edubuntu or kubuntu or any derivatives from Ubuntu. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile. -- *From: * Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini jipangmenje...@gmail.com *Sender: * osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com *Date: *Sat, 12 Mar 2011 18:15:04 +0800 *To: *osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com *ReplyTo: * osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com *Subject: *Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian I do agree what rafe said. Community is an open group, so there's should nothing involving one person thought. For me, what FiMOS do is not really be accepted at the beginning, but if you think back, FiMOS is not like molloin dololars Canonical that can produce and ship the disk for free. When I were planning to do our own distro priject with bizkut (well not a really a distro, which is now has been freeze because of some problem), the idea are still the same but came out with limited edition netbooks. Reasons? Nakkan modal balik dulu. Mungkin peringkat awal mereka jual, tapi siapa tau akhirnya jadi seperti Sabily; an Ubuntu based that build up with an edition for that distro, but in the end they has been accused violated the trademark (which is clearly they did), and after transforming to Sabily, they manage to make their own version although still dependent to Ubuntu but still, they have their own repository. That's one one man job, tapi komuniti Ubuntu Muslim Edition di waktu itu menentukan. Walaupun marketing berbeza, tapi stratergy masih sama. Harap-harap pihak FiMOS dapat lepaskan source code supaya bertepatan dengan lesen GNU-GPL v3.0. Apa-apa pun good luck, the community will back up the project and let's the project bloom. Harap thred ni *kalau boleh* tamat di sini ajelah, penat den nak baca satu-satu. Ahaks! OshiriX? sampai sekarang aku jumpa siapa developer diorang. HAHA. (wait, I heard that distro has been made by one person only) :p On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 3:15 PM, riZer Enterprise rizerenterpr...@gmail.com wrote: are you coming for the first malaysian distro workshop? hope to see you all there and why not next time distro workshop in penang hehe... enjoy azhar 2011/3/12 rafe azsnal azs...@gmail.com dude. if you want to do know the way of the community, let it be open and known. lets get everyone involve and everyone to solve. no point of dragging it longer and longer... On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 1:05 AM, riZer Enterprise rizerenterpr...@gmail.com wrote: the best kita face to face 26.3 ok? have a good night 2011/3/12 rafe azsnal azs...@gmail.com bro, you are saying as if we have no brain and we can't think which is right and which is not... what to believed and what to not. what your actual problem with FIMOS? let us know maybe some of us here know more stories than you do.. On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 12:53 AM, riZer Enterprise rizerenterpr...@gmail.com wrote: orait orait katalah korang boleh accept ini. don't you think that you akan dijual seluruhnya. sanggupkah korang menggadaikan the only thing that we got untuk this crap. maksudnya korang sanggup lah beli proton saga walaupun korang kena tipu harga kat luar jauh lebih murah dari malaysia topeng macam2 ada babe. topeng muka baik lagi belambak. topeng nak pekena orang pun tak terkecuali. takpelah kalau korang puas hati dia ni bermaksud baik kepada komuniti dan korang confirm yang dia ni takkan menjual korang seluruhnya ok. kita tengok sapa pakai topeng nanti. azhar 2011/3/11 rafe azsnal azs...@gmail.com Dude, bila orang berbudi kita berbahasa. Community is not an individual but a group of people who share the same interest and passion toward completing a single or multiple objective. You can't change the world overnight. It take times and it takes effort to built and to succed. By not taking the +ve side of thing you are already a -ve person and your whole view are turn only to one side which limit the freedom of choice itself.
Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian
itu dah besau sangat tu..kasi dalam FiMOS aje sudeh :p 2011/3/13 Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin pislissnif...@gmail.com Kita nak bincang dalam ruang lingkup OSS atau ruang lingkup FiMOS. Saya rasa better dalam tajuk baru, sebab nanti kita akan mengambil contoh FiMOS dan membuka semula isu My1OS atau FiMOS. Kita buka tajuk baru cemana? Sekadar cadangan Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile. -Original Message- From: Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 01:19:08 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian Assalamualaikum dan salam sejahtera, Sebentar tadi baru saya terfikir, sedang kita minta mana-mana Distros untuk release source codes mereka, kita sebenarnya meminta yang sememang telah disebarkan oleh setiap projek dan perisian OSS yang dalam Distros. Sebagai contoh :- 1) Apabila sesebuah Distros mengatakan mereka base on Linux, maka dengan sendirinya kita boleh dapatkan source codes Kernel Linux dan apa jua yang digunakan oleh Distro tersebut terus daripada projek websites. Kita hanya perlu tahu apa yang mereka gunakan dan thats it. Source codes sememang ada dimana. Soalan saya, kepada pengguna Linux Distro seperti Debian, Ubuntu, OpenSuse dan Fedora, siapa yang config repos atau yum atau apt untuk download source codes RPM atau DEB. Saya pun tak mahu sebab terlalu besar 2) Jika ada customization atau sebarang trademark dimasukkan dalam hasil Distro maka ia adalah hak punya pembuatnya dan pemilik trademark. Sebagai contoh, jika kita ambil CD ubuntu dan keluarkan semua dalam CD tersebut apa jua trademark Ubuntu, dan sebarkan semula sebagai CD Linux, maka kita tidak salah.. Sebab isi perut CD adalah perisian OSS. Kita telah keluarkan perkara yang Canonical akan marah, perkataan dan logo Ubuntu. Begitu juga dalam kes Centos. Semua trademark dan copyright dan apa jua software bukan OSS telah dikeluarkan dan disebarkan semula sebagai Centos. Red Hat tidak bising pun... Malah secara tidak rasmi membantu pihak komuniti Centos untuk kenal pasti mana Red Hat yang punya dan diminta dikeluarkan. Jadi soalan saya, jika saya ambil asal dulu CD ubuntu yang dah jadi CD Linux kemudian saya customize dan masukkan logo dan apa jua nama saya dan namakan Distro LinuxMalaysia, adakah saya salah? 3) Apa juga perisian yang dibuat sendiri pembangun adalah hak mereka. Sekiranya mereka putuskan apa yang mereka tulis dan compile adalah copyright mereka dan source codes hak mereka, maka itu hak mereka. Jika mereka sebarkan dalam CD Linux distros pun, kita masih tiada hak untuk menuntut mereka perlu tunjukkan source codes. Perisian tertutup yang dijalankan atas Linux yang sumber terbuka tiada kaitan apa pun dari segi lesen. Lesen anda adalah lesen anda dan lesen saya adalah lesen saya. Yang terdekat adalah Googlebuntu. Banyak lagi saya nak tulis tapi sudah jauh malam dan mengantuk, saya biarkan ini dulu untuk perbincangan. Wassalam. Harisfazillah Jamel -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- Muhd Syazwan @ jipang_menjerit http://about.me/syazwan/bio http://blog.ubuntuseekers.com http://blog.syazwan.co.cc jipangmenje...@gmail.com jipang_menje...@ubuntuseekers.com One Online Radio :: Radio yang Suka Bercakap http://radio.syazwan.co.cc -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 4:44 AM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini jipangmenje...@gmail.com wrote: it is misunderstanding, but after the Sabily guy met Shuttleworth. lagipun banyak sangat version, nak follow mana satu pun payah. the stories goes same with Ultimate Edition (Ubuntu Ultimate Edition) and some number of project that got 'buntu' at the back :p maybe this will help (it's not sabily, but one of the project got 'Ubuntu' name) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EasyPeasy#Trademark_issues On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin pislissnif...@gmail.com wrote: Sabily violated and accused by Ubuntu? I think its just misunderstanding from Canonical Management, and after Sabily developer manage to meet Mark Shuttleworth personally, he don't have any problem if Sabily want to use the name Ubuntu Muslim Edition, eventhough we had change our name to Sabily. Surprisingly, he didn't know that we have been accused to use word Ubuntu Muslim Edition. After a discussion made in mailing list, everybody agreed to use Sabily as a project name, and Mark don't have any problem with that. Sabily is clearly derivatives from Ubuntu like edubuntu or kubuntu or any derivatives from Ubuntu. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile. -- *From: * Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini jipangmenje...@gmail.com *Sender: * osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com *Date: *Sat, 12 Mar 2011 18:15:04 +0800 *To: *osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com *ReplyTo: * osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com *Subject: *Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian I do agree what rafe said. Community is an open group, so there's should nothing involving one person thought. For me, what FiMOS do is not really be accepted at the beginning, but if you think back, FiMOS is not like molloin dololars Canonical that can produce and ship the disk for free. When I were planning to do our own distro priject with bizkut (well not a really a distro, which is now has been freeze because of some problem), the idea are still the same but came out with limited edition netbooks. Reasons? Nakkan modal balik dulu. Mungkin peringkat awal mereka jual, tapi siapa tau akhirnya jadi seperti Sabily; an Ubuntu based that build up with an edition for that distro, but in the end they has been accused violated the trademark (which is clearly they did), and after transforming to Sabily, they manage to make their own version although still dependent to Ubuntu but still, they have their own repository. That's one one man job, tapi komuniti Ubuntu Muslim Edition di waktu itu menentukan. Walaupun marketing berbeza, tapi stratergy masih sama. Harap-harap pihak FiMOS dapat lepaskan source code supaya bertepatan dengan lesen GNU-GPL v3.0. Apa-apa pun good luck, the community will back up the project and let's the project bloom. Harap thred ni *kalau boleh* tamat di sini ajelah, penat den nak baca satu-satu. Ahaks! OshiriX? sampai sekarang aku jumpa siapa developer diorang. HAHA. (wait, I heard that distro has been made by one person only) :p On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 3:15 PM, riZer Enterprise rizerenterpr...@gmail.com wrote: are you coming for the first malaysian distro workshop? hope to see you all there and why not next time distro workshop in penang hehe... enjoy azhar 2011/3/12 rafe azsnal azs...@gmail.com dude. if you want to do know the way of the community, let it be open and known. lets get everyone involve and everyone to solve. no point of dragging it longer and longer... On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 1:05 AM, riZer Enterprise rizerenterpr...@gmail.com wrote: the best kita face to face 26.3 ok? have a good night 2011/3/12 rafe azsnal azs...@gmail.com bro, you are saying as if we have no brain and we can't think which is right and which is not... what to believed and what to not. what your actual problem with FIMOS? let us know maybe some of us here know more stories than you do.. On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 12:53 AM, riZer Enterprise rizerenterpr...@gmail.com wrote: orait orait katalah korang boleh accept ini. don't you think that you akan dijual seluruhnya. sanggupkah korang menggadaikan the only thing that we got untuk this crap. maksudnya korang sanggup lah beli proton saga walaupun korang kena tipu harga kat luar jauh lebih murah dari malaysia topeng macam2 ada babe. topeng muka baik lagi belambak. topeng nak pekena orang pun tak terkecuali. takpelah kalau korang puas hati dia ni bermaksud baik kepada komuniti dan korang confirm yang dia ni takkan menjual korang seluruhnya ok. kita tengok sapa pakai topeng nanti. azhar 2011/3/11 rafe azsnal azs...@gmail.com Dude, bila orang berbudi kita berbahasa. Community is not an individual but a group of people who share the same interest and passion toward completing a single or multiple objective. You can't change the world
Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian
Terus lapar kembali daku .. Ahakss. Regards, e1 Sent from GreenBerry® Smartphone -Original Message- From: Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 09:54:04 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian The problem with Ubuntu Muslim was the words Ubuntu. Ubuntu is the trademark and copyright of Canonical. The decision to use Sabily is the best decision. Sabily has its own branding. Bagus bila ada branding sendiri. Ubuntu base on Debian, Sabily base on Ubuntu. Thats the beauty of open sources software dan FiMOS base on Linux dan mungkin besar daripada Ubuntu. (Maaf saya tunggu FiMOS jelaskan, tapi bagi saya itu tidak penting, yang penting daripada CD FiMOS saya leh kaji dan dapatkan maklumat). Tapi ada isu jugak ni. Saya pun dalam isu trademark Ubuntu, nampaknya keras, Kalau dibaca betul2 Ubuntu tak bagi pun dalam banyak perkara sebut, distros yang telah diubah dan tidak serupa Ubuntu dipanggil Ubuntu atau dikatakan daripada Ubuntu. Adoi pening-pening. So bagi saya, jika FiMOS tidak sebut mereka daripada Ubuntu, langkah mereka ada betulnya. Ia adalah isu trademark dan copyright Ubuntu. Bukan isu hendak sembunyikan hal yang sebenarnya. Perkara ini unik dalam business yang menggunakan OSS. Don't used my name even you are using my car. Hehehe.. Leceh-leceh. Kerana Canonical tidak mahu Ubuntu wpun disebut sebagai asal pun, kerana ia boleh dianggap sebagai promosi dan pergunakan nama Ubuntu untuk perniagaan atau perkara lain daripada Ubuntu. Harap anda dapat maksud saya. Contoh kita adalah CentOS, memang terang2 kita tengok nama fail dan setting macam Redhat, namun mereka tidak dapat nak sebut pun nama Redhat atau bagitahu asal mereka daripada RedHat. Dalam OSS kita boleh ambil, pakej balik, edar balik dan yang paling penting kita boleh tahu dari mana hendak dapatkan source codes semua software OSS, tidak semesti daripada packager. Tanggung jawab mereka bagitahu, jangan lindung atau tukar nama apa2 OSS dalam edaran mereka. Dan tidak semesti mereka perlu buka mulut. Apabila kita dapat CD, maka kita boleh buka lihat dan fahamkan inti pati OS mereka. Mereka tidak berhak saman kita pun. Ia akan jadi kesalahan kepada FiMOS jika mereka marah kepada kita apabila kita hack, korek, edit dan ambil tahu OSS dalam CD mereka. Selagi mereka OK dan tidak bertindak saman atau katakan itu OSS mereka punya then kita tiada masalah dan mereka tiada masalah. Kalau sebaliknya berlaku then kita kena fight for it. Tapi kita perlu ingat, brand nama FiMOS adalah hak mereka, trademark dan copyright. Mereka berhak untuk pertahankan trandemark dan copyright itu. Mereka berhak saman kita jika kita salah guna trademark nama mereka. Malah mereka sebenarnya boleh saman kita kerana gunakan nama FiMOS dalam niat tidak baik. Rumitnya isu trademark ni. Tapi anda semua perlu tahu. kita sebenarnya boleh disaman malu. Dan bagi saya, jika ada berlaku kes dimana, packager FiMOS diambil oleh syarikat lain dan diubah dan dikeluarkan FiMOS dan diedarkan, mereka tidak boleh marah. :) tapi jika syarikat itu katakan OSS dalam CD itu hak mereka, maka FiMOS boleh mewakili kita untuk pertahankan OSS dalam packager yang asal daripada mereka. Rumitkan perkara-perkara dalam OSS ... Sebagai packager, tidak kira FiMOS, OShirix, SimpleLinux dan Sabily, anda semua berhak untuk pakejkan khidmat bayaran terhadap usaha edaran dan sokongan terhadap hasil distros anda. Berapa harganya pun, itu ikut kiraan masing-masing, kalau nak bagi free pun bagus. Tapi khidmat sokongan ini belanjanya besar. Gaji nak bayar, helpdesk nak bayar dan admin nak bayar. Its cost. So jangan sampai rugi dan lepas tu hilang.. Its happen too last Malaysian distros Bagi kita, jika rasa mahal support tu, Hmmm, pandai-pandailah runding harga.. Tawar menawar. :) Ada perkara mungkin kita tidak selesa dan tidak setuju, tapi dalam dunia OSS ni, ia tidak salah. Contoh, jika FiMOS tidak sediakan kemudahan download distros mereka, itu tidak salah, sebab mereka telah memilih untuk edarkan dengan cara kita perlu beli CD mereka dan perkhidmatan mereka. Mereka telah memilih cara edaran yang boleh diterima pakai dalam lesen OSS. Wahhh, pening-pening, saya pun mula-mula pening. Selepas naik motor berjam-jam hari2 pergi kerja dan lawat projek2, baru saya terfikir, ia tidak jadi satu kesalahan sebab kita masih ada satu perkara. Kita pun boleh buat macam mereka. I can build my own Linux. Atau dengan cara Centos pun boleh, beli CD mereka dan kemudian edarkan semula dengan keluarkan semua trademark FiMOS. Kita bebas untuk melakukan ia, tiada halangan daripada segi lesen OSS... Ramai antara anda mungkin tidak tempoh zaman saya mula-mula dengan Linux. Download 1 CD aje dekat seminggu. Its cost us. Waktu tu sekitar 1999 Internet mahal dan perlahan. Secara tidak langsung kita sebenarnya telah membayar edaran Linux. Ada juga syarikat waktu
Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian
Nampaknya hasil yang digubal di dalam linux Fimos menggunakan framework bisnes yang baik. Tapi kadangkala tidak difahami oleh pengguna biasa dan baru yang didedahkan oleh Ubuntu dalam idea mereka yang menekankan prinsip free sampai bila-bila. Fimos dah bergerak laju dihadapan depan pengurusan mereka menekankan support yang agak sukar dan membosankan pengguna baru yang ingin menggunakan Linux dan tidak mahu memikirkan masalah apabila menggunakan Linux. Langkah OSDC memantau pergerakan pembangunan Fimos adalah baik dan juga pemahaman kepada pengguna terhadap penggunaan Linux juga difikirkan perlu kerana jika di dalam Kementerian Pelajaran sendiri, licence untuk penggunaan produk adalah serendah RM 30 dengan hanya menunjukkan identiti anda sebagai pelajar atau kakitangan Kementerian Pelajaran anda layak mendapat harga produk daripada Microsoft daripada harga serendah RM 30. Cabaran Fimos untuk memasuki Kementerian Pelajaran (sehingga ke peringkat sekolah dan Matrikulasi) perlu dikaji semula memandangkan harga yang ditawarkan mereka sebelum ini adalah RM 111 (betulkan saya jika ianya salah) dan harga yang ditawarkan daripada Microsoft adalah serendah RM 30, manakala Kolej-kolej Matrikulasi dalam cadangan menggunakan Ubuntu sebagai Sistem Pengendali Ubuntu secara total memandangkan kestabilan dan keselesaan dalam Teachinng and Learning Material mereka. Tindakan fimos menggunakan nama selain daripada Ubuntu juga adalah betul (jika source code diambil daripada Ubuntu) kerana Canonical sendiri melarang sebarang penjualan Ubuntu Derivatives seperti yang dinyatakan di dalam Laman Web mereka. Persoalannya, kita mahu menyokong dan kita semestinya tidak mahu OS ini lenyap satu hari nanti dan langkah dan rapi dan support yang berterusan haruslah dirangka, manakala OSDC sebagai satu badan yang mempunyai rangkaian expert yang tinggi boleh membantu dalam pembangunan OS mereka. Sekadar pandangan biasa saya. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile. -Original Message- From: Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 09:54:04 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian The problem with Ubuntu Muslim was the words Ubuntu. Ubuntu is the trademark and copyright of Canonical. The decision to use Sabily is the best decision. Sabily has its own branding. Bagus bila ada branding sendiri. Ubuntu base on Debian, Sabily base on Ubuntu. Thats the beauty of open sources software dan FiMOS base on Linux dan mungkin besar daripada Ubuntu. (Maaf saya tunggu FiMOS jelaskan, tapi bagi saya itu tidak penting, yang penting daripada CD FiMOS saya leh kaji dan dapatkan maklumat). Tapi ada isu jugak ni. Saya pun dalam isu trademark Ubuntu, nampaknya keras, Kalau dibaca betul2 Ubuntu tak bagi pun dalam banyak perkara sebut, distros yang telah diubah dan tidak serupa Ubuntu dipanggil Ubuntu atau dikatakan daripada Ubuntu. Adoi pening-pening. So bagi saya, jika FiMOS tidak sebut mereka daripada Ubuntu, langkah mereka ada betulnya. Ia adalah isu trademark dan copyright Ubuntu. Bukan isu hendak sembunyikan hal yang sebenarnya. Perkara ini unik dalam business yang menggunakan OSS. Don't used my name even you are using my car. Hehehe.. Leceh-leceh. Kerana Canonical tidak mahu Ubuntu wpun disebut sebagai asal pun, kerana ia boleh dianggap sebagai promosi dan pergunakan nama Ubuntu untuk perniagaan atau perkara lain daripada Ubuntu. Harap anda dapat maksud saya. Contoh kita adalah CentOS, memang terang2 kita tengok nama fail dan setting macam Redhat, namun mereka tidak dapat nak sebut pun nama Redhat atau bagitahu asal mereka daripada RedHat. Dalam OSS kita boleh ambil, pakej balik, edar balik dan yang paling penting kita boleh tahu dari mana hendak dapatkan source codes semua software OSS, tidak semesti daripada packager. Tanggung jawab mereka bagitahu, jangan lindung atau tukar nama apa2 OSS dalam edaran mereka. Dan tidak semesti mereka perlu buka mulut. Apabila kita dapat CD, maka kita boleh buka lihat dan fahamkan inti pati OS mereka. Mereka tidak berhak saman kita pun. Ia akan jadi kesalahan kepada FiMOS jika mereka marah kepada kita apabila kita hack, korek, edit dan ambil tahu OSS dalam CD mereka. Selagi mereka OK dan tidak bertindak saman atau katakan itu OSS mereka punya then kita tiada masalah dan mereka tiada masalah. Kalau sebaliknya berlaku then kita kena fight for it. Tapi kita perlu ingat, brand nama FiMOS adalah hak mereka, trademark dan copyright. Mereka berhak untuk pertahankan trandemark dan copyright itu. Mereka berhak saman kita jika kita salah guna trademark nama mereka. Malah mereka sebenarnya boleh saman kita kerana gunakan nama FiMOS dalam niat tidak baik. Rumitnya isu trademark ni. Tapi anda semua perlu tahu. kita sebenarnya boleh disaman malu. Dan bagi saya, jika ada berlaku kes dimana, packager FiMOS diambil
Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian
Bukan ko sentiasa lapar dan 'mematahkan' benda ke E1? He he Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile. -Original Message- From: Mohd Hidzuan Zainul Hashim hidz...@gmail.com Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 02:12:16 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian Terus lapar kembali daku .. Ahakss. Regards, e1 Sent from GreenBerry® Smartphone -Original Message- From: Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 09:54:04 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian The problem with Ubuntu Muslim was the words Ubuntu. Ubuntu is the trademark and copyright of Canonical. The decision to use Sabily is the best decision. Sabily has its own branding. Bagus bila ada branding sendiri. Ubuntu base on Debian, Sabily base on Ubuntu. Thats the beauty of open sources software dan FiMOS base on Linux dan mungkin besar daripada Ubuntu. (Maaf saya tunggu FiMOS jelaskan, tapi bagi saya itu tidak penting, yang penting daripada CD FiMOS saya leh kaji dan dapatkan maklumat). Tapi ada isu jugak ni. Saya pun dalam isu trademark Ubuntu, nampaknya keras, Kalau dibaca betul2 Ubuntu tak bagi pun dalam banyak perkara sebut, distros yang telah diubah dan tidak serupa Ubuntu dipanggil Ubuntu atau dikatakan daripada Ubuntu. Adoi pening-pening. So bagi saya, jika FiMOS tidak sebut mereka daripada Ubuntu, langkah mereka ada betulnya. Ia adalah isu trademark dan copyright Ubuntu. Bukan isu hendak sembunyikan hal yang sebenarnya. Perkara ini unik dalam business yang menggunakan OSS. Don't used my name even you are using my car. Hehehe.. Leceh-leceh. Kerana Canonical tidak mahu Ubuntu wpun disebut sebagai asal pun, kerana ia boleh dianggap sebagai promosi dan pergunakan nama Ubuntu untuk perniagaan atau perkara lain daripada Ubuntu. Harap anda dapat maksud saya. Contoh kita adalah CentOS, memang terang2 kita tengok nama fail dan setting macam Redhat, namun mereka tidak dapat nak sebut pun nama Redhat atau bagitahu asal mereka daripada RedHat. Dalam OSS kita boleh ambil, pakej balik, edar balik dan yang paling penting kita boleh tahu dari mana hendak dapatkan source codes semua software OSS, tidak semesti daripada packager. Tanggung jawab mereka bagitahu, jangan lindung atau tukar nama apa2 OSS dalam edaran mereka. Dan tidak semesti mereka perlu buka mulut. Apabila kita dapat CD, maka kita boleh buka lihat dan fahamkan inti pati OS mereka. Mereka tidak berhak saman kita pun. Ia akan jadi kesalahan kepada FiMOS jika mereka marah kepada kita apabila kita hack, korek, edit dan ambil tahu OSS dalam CD mereka. Selagi mereka OK dan tidak bertindak saman atau katakan itu OSS mereka punya then kita tiada masalah dan mereka tiada masalah. Kalau sebaliknya berlaku then kita kena fight for it. Tapi kita perlu ingat, brand nama FiMOS adalah hak mereka, trademark dan copyright. Mereka berhak untuk pertahankan trandemark dan copyright itu. Mereka berhak saman kita jika kita salah guna trademark nama mereka. Malah mereka sebenarnya boleh saman kita kerana gunakan nama FiMOS dalam niat tidak baik. Rumitnya isu trademark ni. Tapi anda semua perlu tahu. kita sebenarnya boleh disaman malu. Dan bagi saya, jika ada berlaku kes dimana, packager FiMOS diambil oleh syarikat lain dan diubah dan dikeluarkan FiMOS dan diedarkan, mereka tidak boleh marah. :) tapi jika syarikat itu katakan OSS dalam CD itu hak mereka, maka FiMOS boleh mewakili kita untuk pertahankan OSS dalam packager yang asal daripada mereka. Rumitkan perkara-perkara dalam OSS ... Sebagai packager, tidak kira FiMOS, OShirix, SimpleLinux dan Sabily, anda semua berhak untuk pakejkan khidmat bayaran terhadap usaha edaran dan sokongan terhadap hasil distros anda. Berapa harganya pun, itu ikut kiraan masing-masing, kalau nak bagi free pun bagus. Tapi khidmat sokongan ini belanjanya besar. Gaji nak bayar, helpdesk nak bayar dan admin nak bayar. Its cost. So jangan sampai rugi dan lepas tu hilang.. Its happen too last Malaysian distros Bagi kita, jika rasa mahal support tu, Hmmm, pandai-pandailah runding harga.. Tawar menawar. :) Ada perkara mungkin kita tidak selesa dan tidak setuju, tapi dalam dunia OSS ni, ia tidak salah. Contoh, jika FiMOS tidak sediakan kemudahan download distros mereka, itu tidak salah, sebab mereka telah memilih untuk edarkan dengan cara kita perlu beli CD mereka dan perkhidmatan mereka. Mereka telah memilih cara edaran yang boleh diterima pakai dalam lesen OSS. Wahhh, pening-pening, saya pun mula-mula pening. Selepas naik motor berjam-jam hari2 pergi kerja dan lawat projek2, baru saya terfikir, ia tidak jadi satu kesalahan sebab kita masih ada satu perkara. Kita pun boleh buat macam mereka. I can build my own Linux. Atau dengan cara Centos pun boleh, beli CD
Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian
fuh...gile punye panjang explaination.tp menarik.banyak lgi nak kene berguru.hurm... pasal ubuntu n kat Matrikulasi tu,ade betul nyer.sbb skrng nie mostly matrikulasi ade bljr sal OSS kat sane,lam sabjek sains informatik.(demn,zaman ak dlu xde la bljr OSS).tp bagi ak,tu satu perkembangan yang baek. tp ade 1 soalan,ak xtau la sama ade mnde nie terjadik kat mane2 lam govt or swasta,tp kdg2 ak rase mcm kdg2 cepat berubah.kdg2,kite implement stuff baru2,software2 baru,technology baru lam company.tp sekejap je tahan.mcm xde plan for maybe 10 years. 2011/3/13 Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin pislissnif...@gmail.com: Bukan ko sentiasa lapar dan 'mematahkan' benda ke E1? He he Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile. -Original Message- From: Mohd Hidzuan Zainul Hashim hidz...@gmail.com Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 02:12:16 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian Terus lapar kembali daku .. Ahakss. Regards, e1 Sent from GreenBerry® Smartphone -Original Message- From: Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 09:54:04 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian The problem with Ubuntu Muslim was the words Ubuntu. Ubuntu is the trademark and copyright of Canonical. The decision to use Sabily is the best decision. Sabily has its own branding. Bagus bila ada branding sendiri. Ubuntu base on Debian, Sabily base on Ubuntu. Thats the beauty of open sources software dan FiMOS base on Linux dan mungkin besar daripada Ubuntu. (Maaf saya tunggu FiMOS jelaskan, tapi bagi saya itu tidak penting, yang penting daripada CD FiMOS saya leh kaji dan dapatkan maklumat). Tapi ada isu jugak ni. Saya pun dalam isu trademark Ubuntu, nampaknya keras, Kalau dibaca betul2 Ubuntu tak bagi pun dalam banyak perkara sebut, distros yang telah diubah dan tidak serupa Ubuntu dipanggil Ubuntu atau dikatakan daripada Ubuntu. Adoi pening-pening. So bagi saya, jika FiMOS tidak sebut mereka daripada Ubuntu, langkah mereka ada betulnya. Ia adalah isu trademark dan copyright Ubuntu. Bukan isu hendak sembunyikan hal yang sebenarnya. Perkara ini unik dalam business yang menggunakan OSS. Don't used my name even you are using my car. Hehehe.. Leceh-leceh. Kerana Canonical tidak mahu Ubuntu wpun disebut sebagai asal pun, kerana ia boleh dianggap sebagai promosi dan pergunakan nama Ubuntu untuk perniagaan atau perkara lain daripada Ubuntu. Harap anda dapat maksud saya. Contoh kita adalah CentOS, memang terang2 kita tengok nama fail dan setting macam Redhat, namun mereka tidak dapat nak sebut pun nama Redhat atau bagitahu asal mereka daripada RedHat. Dalam OSS kita boleh ambil, pakej balik, edar balik dan yang paling penting kita boleh tahu dari mana hendak dapatkan source codes semua software OSS, tidak semesti daripada packager. Tanggung jawab mereka bagitahu, jangan lindung atau tukar nama apa2 OSS dalam edaran mereka. Dan tidak semesti mereka perlu buka mulut. Apabila kita dapat CD, maka kita boleh buka lihat dan fahamkan inti pati OS mereka. Mereka tidak berhak saman kita pun. Ia akan jadi kesalahan kepada FiMOS jika mereka marah kepada kita apabila kita hack, korek, edit dan ambil tahu OSS dalam CD mereka. Selagi mereka OK dan tidak bertindak saman atau katakan itu OSS mereka punya then kita tiada masalah dan mereka tiada masalah. Kalau sebaliknya berlaku then kita kena fight for it. Tapi kita perlu ingat, brand nama FiMOS adalah hak mereka, trademark dan copyright. Mereka berhak untuk pertahankan trandemark dan copyright itu. Mereka berhak saman kita jika kita salah guna trademark nama mereka. Malah mereka sebenarnya boleh saman kita kerana gunakan nama FiMOS dalam niat tidak baik. Rumitnya isu trademark ni. Tapi anda semua perlu tahu. kita sebenarnya boleh disaman malu. Dan bagi saya, jika ada berlaku kes dimana, packager FiMOS diambil oleh syarikat lain dan diubah dan dikeluarkan FiMOS dan diedarkan, mereka tidak boleh marah. :) tapi jika syarikat itu katakan OSS dalam CD itu hak mereka, maka FiMOS boleh mewakili kita untuk pertahankan OSS dalam packager yang asal daripada mereka. Rumitkan perkara-perkara dalam OSS ... Sebagai packager, tidak kira FiMOS, OShirix, SimpleLinux dan Sabily, anda semua berhak untuk pakejkan khidmat bayaran terhadap usaha edaran dan sokongan terhadap hasil distros anda. Berapa harganya pun, itu ikut kiraan masing-masing, kalau nak bagi free pun bagus. Tapi khidmat sokongan ini belanjanya besar. Gaji nak bayar, helpdesk nak bayar dan admin nak bayar. Its cost. So jangan sampai rugi dan lepas tu hilang.. Its happen too last Malaysian distros Bagi kita, jika rasa mahal support tu, Hmmm, pandai-pandailah
Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian
Projek dalam OSS di Matrikulasi banyak onar dan duri. Tapi terima kasih harus diberikan kepada teman-teman di OSCC (walau dah takde tinggal nama) tapi planning dah berjalan selama 3 tahun yang lepas.. Agak perlahan tapi berjalan. Tak nak terlalu laju dan banyak issue yang perlu diselesaikan, terutama kesedaran dan kelebihan OSS dalam pendidikan pra universiti. Anda sendiri adalah pejuang OSS dan saya banyak berjumpa pelajar ex-matrikulasi meneruskan perjuangan mereka. Sebab apa? OSS bukan belajar berkenaan teknologi sahaja, bahkan berkisar kepada keikhlasan dan perkongisian ilmu yang tiada sempadan.. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile. -Original Message- From: darXness darXness darxl...@gmail.com Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:47:51 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian fuh...gile punye panjang explaination.tp menarik.banyak lgi nak kene berguru.hurm... pasal ubuntu n kat Matrikulasi tu,ade betul nyer.sbb skrng nie mostly matrikulasi ade bljr sal OSS kat sane,lam sabjek sains informatik.(demn,zaman ak dlu xde la bljr OSS).tp bagi ak,tu satu perkembangan yang baek. tp ade 1 soalan,ak xtau la sama ade mnde nie terjadik kat mane2 lam govt or swasta,tp kdg2 ak rase mcm kdg2 cepat berubah.kdg2,kite implement stuff baru2,software2 baru,technology baru lam company.tp sekejap je tahan.mcm xde plan for maybe 10 years. 2011/3/13 Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin pislissnif...@gmail.com: Bukan ko sentiasa lapar dan 'mematahkan' benda ke E1? He he Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile. -Original Message- From: Mohd Hidzuan Zainul Hashim hidz...@gmail.com Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 02:12:16 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian Terus lapar kembali daku .. Ahakss. Regards, e1 Sent from GreenBerry® Smartphone -Original Message- From: Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 09:54:04 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian The problem with Ubuntu Muslim was the words Ubuntu. Ubuntu is the trademark and copyright of Canonical. The decision to use Sabily is the best decision. Sabily has its own branding. Bagus bila ada branding sendiri. Ubuntu base on Debian, Sabily base on Ubuntu. Thats the beauty of open sources software dan FiMOS base on Linux dan mungkin besar daripada Ubuntu. (Maaf saya tunggu FiMOS jelaskan, tapi bagi saya itu tidak penting, yang penting daripada CD FiMOS saya leh kaji dan dapatkan maklumat). Tapi ada isu jugak ni. Saya pun dalam isu trademark Ubuntu, nampaknya keras, Kalau dibaca betul2 Ubuntu tak bagi pun dalam banyak perkara sebut, distros yang telah diubah dan tidak serupa Ubuntu dipanggil Ubuntu atau dikatakan daripada Ubuntu. Adoi pening-pening. So bagi saya, jika FiMOS tidak sebut mereka daripada Ubuntu, langkah mereka ada betulnya. Ia adalah isu trademark dan copyright Ubuntu. Bukan isu hendak sembunyikan hal yang sebenarnya. Perkara ini unik dalam business yang menggunakan OSS. Don't used my name even you are using my car. Hehehe.. Leceh-leceh. Kerana Canonical tidak mahu Ubuntu wpun disebut sebagai asal pun, kerana ia boleh dianggap sebagai promosi dan pergunakan nama Ubuntu untuk perniagaan atau perkara lain daripada Ubuntu. Harap anda dapat maksud saya. Contoh kita adalah CentOS, memang terang2 kita tengok nama fail dan setting macam Redhat, namun mereka tidak dapat nak sebut pun nama Redhat atau bagitahu asal mereka daripada RedHat. Dalam OSS kita boleh ambil, pakej balik, edar balik dan yang paling penting kita boleh tahu dari mana hendak dapatkan source codes semua software OSS, tidak semesti daripada packager. Tanggung jawab mereka bagitahu, jangan lindung atau tukar nama apa2 OSS dalam edaran mereka. Dan tidak semesti mereka perlu buka mulut. Apabila kita dapat CD, maka kita boleh buka lihat dan fahamkan inti pati OS mereka. Mereka tidak berhak saman kita pun. Ia akan jadi kesalahan kepada FiMOS jika mereka marah kepada kita apabila kita hack, korek, edit dan ambil tahu OSS dalam CD mereka. Selagi mereka OK dan tidak bertindak saman atau katakan itu OSS mereka punya then kita tiada masalah dan mereka tiada masalah. Kalau sebaliknya berlaku then kita kena fight for it. Tapi kita perlu ingat, brand nama FiMOS adalah hak mereka, trademark dan copyright. Mereka berhak untuk pertahankan trandemark dan copyright itu. Mereka berhak saman kita jika kita salah guna trademark nama mereka. Malah mereka sebenarnya boleh saman kita kerana gunakan nama FiMOS dalam niat tidak baik. Rumitnya isu trademark ni. Tapi
Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian
excellent point ! tajul has also pointed out a very valid point. ms windows and ms office are available to schools and students at a very discounted price. the larger problem is that all the it lab manuals / books are written based on ms products. therefore fimos need to address this larger overiding issue. it is very easy for ms to justify why students should be learning using their products - coz it is by far the market dominant software for desktop - and all the employers represented by their hr dept heads know only of microsoft - even if they cant differentiate between windows and office. imagine this interview for a clerical / account officer position : 1. interviewer : what software do you know ? 2. interviewee : i have learned fimos at school. 3. interviewer : fimos ? do you know how to use excel ? 4. interviewee : i dont know eksel. i only know fimos. school only teach fimos (interviewee starting to get 'gabra') 5. interviewee : they say fimos good. made in malaysia. very cheap. and no virus. 6. interviewer : malaysian product ? we have customers and suppliers all over the world and everybody uses excel. we use excel for quotations, purchase orders, bill of material, accounts, reconciliation, balance sheet, weekly sales reports, claims, overtime, planning schedule, manufacturing account. 7. interviewee : [thinking : aiya mampus lah aku... kenapa sekolah tak ajar benda jadah eksel ni ?] 8. interviewer : [thinking : bodoh punya gomen.. ini mesti projek crony. asyik2 bazir duit rakyat macam buat proton saga] hoping the best for fimos... but as you can see from the above fictional use case scenario, there is a huge challenge for oss in malaysia. on top of the mentality that malaysia products are no good and is a waste of rakyat's money. i believe that somewhere in this thread somebody mentioned that the proton saga was a waste of rakyat's money ;p - it is this attitude that malaysia products are inferior that are killing innovation in malaysia. 2011/3/13 darXness darXness darxl...@gmail.com fuh...gile punye panjang explaination.tp menarik.banyak lgi nak kene berguru.hurm... pasal ubuntu n kat Matrikulasi tu,ade betul nyer.sbb skrng nie mostly matrikulasi ade bljr sal OSS kat sane,lam sabjek sains informatik.(demn,zaman ak dlu xde la bljr OSS).tp bagi ak,tu satu perkembangan yang baek. tp ade 1 soalan,ak xtau la sama ade mnde nie terjadik kat mane2 lam govt or swasta,tp kdg2 ak rase mcm kdg2 cepat berubah.kdg2,kite implement stuff baru2,software2 baru,technology baru lam company.tp sekejap je tahan.mcm xde plan for maybe 10 years. 2011/3/13 Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin pislissnif...@gmail.com: Bukan ko sentiasa lapar dan 'mematahkan' benda ke E1? He he Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile. -Original Message- From: Mohd Hidzuan Zainul Hashim hidz...@gmail.com Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 02:12:16 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian Terus lapar kembali daku .. Ahakss. Regards, e1 Sent from GreenBerry® Smartphone -Original Message- From: Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 09:54:04 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian The problem with Ubuntu Muslim was the words Ubuntu. Ubuntu is the trademark and copyright of Canonical. The decision to use Sabily is the best decision. Sabily has its own branding. Bagus bila ada branding sendiri. Ubuntu base on Debian, Sabily base on Ubuntu. Thats the beauty of open sources software dan FiMOS base on Linux dan mungkin besar daripada Ubuntu. (Maaf saya tunggu FiMOS jelaskan, tapi bagi saya itu tidak penting, yang penting daripada CD FiMOS saya leh kaji dan dapatkan maklumat). Tapi ada isu jugak ni. Saya pun dalam isu trademark Ubuntu, nampaknya keras, Kalau dibaca betul2 Ubuntu tak bagi pun dalam banyak perkara sebut, distros yang telah diubah dan tidak serupa Ubuntu dipanggil Ubuntu atau dikatakan daripada Ubuntu. Adoi pening-pening. So bagi saya, jika FiMOS tidak sebut mereka daripada Ubuntu, langkah mereka ada betulnya. Ia adalah isu trademark dan copyright Ubuntu. Bukan isu hendak sembunyikan hal yang sebenarnya. Perkara ini unik dalam business yang menggunakan OSS. Don't used my name even you are using my car. Hehehe.. Leceh-leceh. Kerana Canonical tidak mahu Ubuntu wpun disebut sebagai asal pun, kerana ia boleh dianggap sebagai promosi dan pergunakan nama Ubuntu untuk perniagaan atau perkara lain daripada Ubuntu. Harap anda dapat maksud saya. Contoh kita adalah CentOS, memang terang2 kita tengok nama fail dan setting macam Redhat, namun
[osdcmy] Do CS need maths
http://ocirs.com/2011/03/11/computer-science-education-and-math/ based on this article. Actually I kinda agree with the author. It depends on the goal, if aim for research YES, if for industry, maybe no what you guys think -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Do CS need maths
We really need math in CS. They way Computer engineers and software developers think are like mathematician. All are numbers. We codes in 1 and 0. if then else. all can be calculate and formula can be created. and one thing. Computer programming is an art :) On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:40 AM, sweemeng ng swees...@gmail.com wrote: http://ocirs.com/2011/03/11/computer-science-education-and-math/ based on this article. Actually I kinda agree with the author. It depends on the goal, if aim for research YES, if for industry, maybe no what you guys think -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Do CS need maths
I'm not formally trained on CS. All my programming knowledge is self taught. So this is my opinion. Programming is not solely an art. It's both art and science. I experienced countless of times where knowing maths would be extremely useful. While it's true that you can program something without any understanding of math but I learned the hard way that to implement something efficiently and of high quality you still need maths. I once created a middleware that helped to bridge between a system with Hylafax which I needed to write a scheduler to poll fax status from Hylafax. My first implementation was straight forward, without any thought of mathematical model. It worked but it ate up resources needlessly. Though it didn't give any problem but it's not elegant because it wasted on computing resource which I might need in the future. Eventually I managed to find a mathematical model to implement a good scheduler - yes! math to the rescue. Still not buying on the importance of math? Consider yourself doing programming and need to choose a data structure. Without good math understanding how can you decide which data structure would be best on a given program? Want to analyse your newly and cool algorithm? Who you gonna call? Math, of course. Even when you code bussiness app, your business logic is basically a representation of mathematical model. Not to discourage new programmer, you can still code with knowing math in depth. But, IMHO as you progress into a more competent programmer you better catch up with math again. It certainly helps. Math has helped me, I'm sure it's useful to others too. On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote: We really need math in CS. They way Computer engineers and software developers think are like mathematician. All are numbers. We codes in 1 and 0. if then else. all can be calculate and formula can be created. and one thing. Computer programming is an art :) On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:40 AM, sweemeng ng swees...@gmail.com wrote: http://ocirs.com/2011/03/11/computer-science-education-and-math/ based on this article. Actually I kinda agree with the author. It depends on the goal, if aim for research YES, if for industry, maybe no what you guys think -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Minta petunjuk tentang LPIC-1
jgn cakap susah.. itu programming minda yg salah cakap senang tu..mudah je..ade kesan berbeza pd minda bawah sedar kita bukan kah Allah dah cakap disebalik kesusahan ade kesenangan itu sunnahtullah 2011/3/10 Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com Terbalik. RHCE lagi susah dari LPIC-1 :) Bagi saya, sijil dalam OSS lagi bernilai kerana permintaan tinggi namun ramai yang tidak ambil. Jadi demand memang ada dan boleh demand. 2011/3/10 MASOKIS maso...@gmail.com: Salam... Saya ditawarkan secara percuma untuk mengambil LPIC-1. Belum lagi membuat keputusan, sebab saya minat dgn MCTS-SQL 2008 sebenarnya. LPCI-1 ni, susah ke exam? dengar cerita.. kena mahir guna vi.. sgt susah dari RHCE. semua asas2 linux mesti dalam kepala... huhu.. mcm susah. tapi saya cubalah usaha pratik dlu awal2. harap boleh sesiapa share pengalaman ;) -- VISIT ME @ HTTP://WWW.MASOKIS.COM -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- Malaysia Open Source Software Conference 2011 MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 LinuxMalaysia Network http://www.facebook.com/Bukan.Sekadar.Internet.Sahaja -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Minta petunjuk tentang LPIC-1
salam, mcm bro yazid cakap tadi..as pengalaman pegi amik rhce..(kalau ikut instructor dia tak bagi reveal pasal exam and soklan yang keluar) so aku kasi le skit camne keadaan dia: - ada 2 part (part 1 - utk sys admin (rhct) part ii- troubleshooting) - lepas dua2 baru dapat rhce..kalu part 1 shj rhct - part 1 senang skit bagi yang mmg dah selalu play around dgn redhat n linux..part 2 dia kasi cd and run lepas tu pc tu akan terus problem..kite kene settlekan sampai bole boot balik and buat setup lain2 yang ada dalam soklan tu.. so basically mcm tu le dalam RHCE.. utk LPI plak tak silap aku..dia lebih kurang mcam amik MCSE rasanya..dia soklan objective or aneka pilihan rasanya..lepas tu ade gak simulation.. rasanya le..tak penah amik cuma aku penah amik CLA01 kat OSCC saja dulu.. - Original Message - From: MASOKIS maso...@gmail.com To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 2:51:02 PM Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Minta petunjuk tentang LPIC-1 LPIC ... semua kena tahu asas like-unix dalam kepala RHCE.. kena ada pengalaman dan boleh tgk manual. betul ke statement atas tu ? 2011/3/11 Hanif Nordan hanifnor...@gmail.com: aritu aku ada satu rpm ke ape fail die entah, tak ingat.. ianya contoh2 soalan ( rhce simulation ).. dalam tu ade 3/4 soalan.. aku ambik dalam pc kat bilik training iverson tahun lepas.. aku run.. pastu die tanya dah ready nak jawab ke tak, aku pun ok je, lepas tu die cerita satu situasi.. aku pun baca ala kadar.. lepas tekan enter, pc reboot.. lepas tu... pc terus keep on going reboot.. macam haram.. aku bagitau ke trainer die gelak je.. die tak tolong pun, mujur aku sempat savekan simulation tu.. balik rumah aku run on vm, carik2, rupanya soalan tu die pi removekan beberapa rpm dalam redhat then menyebabkan redhat fail nak boot.. step troubleshooting.. masuk single mode, ( mujur lepas single mode.. kalau tak lepas... tak tau la ) then check command apa yang takleh nak run, dapakan installer die, masukkan cd, install.. then reboot.. mmg sakit jiwa betul.. hahahhaa... -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- VISIT ME @ HTTP://WWW.MASOKIS.COM -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian
setuju dengan tajul juga tuan raja iskandar. kadang-kadang pihak universiti tak berani nak buat sebab mereka risau para graduan mereka tak dapat kerja pun satu hal juga. nanti dilabel universiti tak berkualiti. tak apa, perjalanan masih jauh, dan sampai masa nanti luas terbentang dan banyak exit untuk masuk ke IPT, insyaAllah. rasa kalau kita offer IPT yang boleh buat diploma/degree dengan LPI ok dak? kalau boleh, aku nak enroll masuk jadi 1st course student :p 2011/3/13 Raja Iskandar Shah rajaiskand...@gmail.com excellent point ! tajul has also pointed out a very valid point. ms windows and ms office are available to schools and students at a very discounted price. the larger problem is that all the it lab manuals / books are written based on ms products. therefore fimos need to address this larger overiding issue. it is very easy for ms to justify why students should be learning using their products - coz it is by far the market dominant software for desktop - and all the employers represented by their hr dept heads know only of microsoft - even if they cant differentiate between windows and office. imagine this interview for a clerical / account officer position : 1. interviewer : what software do you know ? 2. interviewee : i have learned fimos at school. 3. interviewer : fimos ? do you know how to use excel ? 4. interviewee : i dont know eksel. i only know fimos. school only teach fimos (interviewee starting to get 'gabra') 5. interviewee : they say fimos good. made in malaysia. very cheap. and no virus. 6. interviewer : malaysian product ? we have customers and suppliers all over the world and everybody uses excel. we use excel for quotations, purchase orders, bill of material, accounts, reconciliation, balance sheet, weekly sales reports, claims, overtime, planning schedule, manufacturing account. 7. interviewee : [thinking : aiya mampus lah aku... kenapa sekolah tak ajar benda jadah eksel ni ?] 8. interviewer : [thinking : bodoh punya gomen.. ini mesti projek crony. asyik2 bazir duit rakyat macam buat proton saga] hoping the best for fimos... but as you can see from the above fictional use case scenario, there is a huge challenge for oss in malaysia. on top of the mentality that malaysia products are no good and is a waste of rakyat's money. i believe that somewhere in this thread somebody mentioned that the proton saga was a waste of rakyat's money ;p - it is this attitude that malaysia products are inferior that are killing innovation in malaysia. 2011/3/13 darXness darXness darxl...@gmail.com fuh...gile punye panjang explaination.tp menarik.banyak lgi nak kene berguru.hurm... pasal ubuntu n kat Matrikulasi tu,ade betul nyer.sbb skrng nie mostly matrikulasi ade bljr sal OSS kat sane,lam sabjek sains informatik.(demn,zaman ak dlu xde la bljr OSS).tp bagi ak,tu satu perkembangan yang baek. tp ade 1 soalan,ak xtau la sama ade mnde nie terjadik kat mane2 lam govt or swasta,tp kdg2 ak rase mcm kdg2 cepat berubah.kdg2,kite implement stuff baru2,software2 baru,technology baru lam company.tp sekejap je tahan.mcm xde plan for maybe 10 years. 2011/3/13 Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin pislissnif...@gmail.com: Bukan ko sentiasa lapar dan 'mematahkan' benda ke E1? He he Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile. -Original Message- From: Mohd Hidzuan Zainul Hashim hidz...@gmail.com Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 02:12:16 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian Terus lapar kembali daku .. Ahakss. Regards, e1 Sent from GreenBerry® Smartphone -Original Message- From: Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 09:54:04 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian The problem with Ubuntu Muslim was the words Ubuntu. Ubuntu is the trademark and copyright of Canonical. The decision to use Sabily is the best decision. Sabily has its own branding. Bagus bila ada branding sendiri. Ubuntu base on Debian, Sabily base on Ubuntu. Thats the beauty of open sources software dan FiMOS base on Linux dan mungkin besar daripada Ubuntu. (Maaf saya tunggu FiMOS jelaskan, tapi bagi saya itu tidak penting, yang penting daripada CD FiMOS saya leh kaji dan dapatkan maklumat). Tapi ada isu jugak ni. Saya pun dalam isu trademark Ubuntu, nampaknya keras, Kalau dibaca betul2 Ubuntu tak bagi pun dalam banyak perkara sebut, distros yang telah diubah dan tidak serupa Ubuntu dipanggil Ubuntu atau dikatakan daripada Ubuntu. Adoi pening-pening. So bagi saya, jika FiMOS tidak sebut mereka daripada Ubuntu, langkah mereka ada
Re: [osdcmy] Do CS need maths
ahaks...
for a mathematician a simpler answer is n*(n+1)/2
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 1:57 PM, darXness darXness darxl...@gmail.comwrote:
math n CS...
IMHO,without math,programming cant go to the next
part.if,else,while,and most of the programming part is derived from
math.and we actually learn that in school.but under Math,not
programming.slowly,we implement in our program.without we knowing,we
actually doint math.just pick some of the code:
while(i = 0;i5;i++){
i;
}
see?we actually doing plus operation there.:D
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 1:26 PM, E A Faisal eafai...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not formally trained on CS. All my programming knowledge is self
taught.
So this is my opinion.
Programming is not solely an art. It's both art and science. I
experienced
countless of times where knowing maths would be extremely useful. While
it's
true that you can program something without any understanding of math but
I
learned the hard way that to implement something efficiently and of high
quality you still need maths. I once created a middleware that helped to
bridge between a system with Hylafax which I needed to write a scheduler
to
poll fax status from Hylafax. My first implementation was straight
forward,
without any thought of mathematical model. It worked but it ate up
resources
needlessly. Though it didn't give any problem but it's not elegant
because
it wasted on computing resource which I might need in the future.
Eventually
I managed to find a mathematical model to implement a good scheduler -
yes!
math to the rescue.
Still not buying on the importance of math? Consider yourself doing
programming and need to choose a data structure. Without good math
understanding how can you decide which data structure would be best on a
given program? Want to analyse your newly and cool algorithm? Who you
gonna
call? Math, of course. Even when you code bussiness app, your business
logic
is basically a representation of mathematical model.
Not to discourage new programmer, you can still code with knowing math in
depth. But, IMHO as you progress into a more competent programmer you
better
catch up with math again. It certainly helps. Math has helped me, I'm
sure
it's useful to others too.
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel
linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote:
We really need math in CS. They way Computer engineers and software
developers think are like mathematician. All are numbers.
We codes in 1 and 0. if then else. all can be calculate and formula
can be created.
and one thing.
Computer programming is an art :)
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:40 AM, sweemeng ng swees...@gmail.com
wrote:
http://ocirs.com/2011/03/11/computer-science-education-and-math/
based on this article. Actually I kinda agree with the author. It
depends on
the goal, if aim for research YES, if for industry, maybe no
what you guys think
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian
2011/3/13 Raja Iskandar Shah rajaiskand...@gmail.com: interviewer : what software do you know ? interviewee : i have learned fimos at school. interviewer : fimos ? do you know how to use excel ? interviewee : i dont know eksel. i only know fimos. school only teach fimos (interviewee starting to get 'gabra') interviewee : they say fimos good. made in malaysia. very cheap. and no virus. interviewer : malaysian product ? we have customers and suppliers all over the world and everybody uses excel. we use excel for quotations, purchase orders, bill of material, accounts, reconciliation, balance sheet, weekly sales reports, claims, overtime, planning schedule, manufacturing account. interviewee : [thinking : aiya mampus lah aku... kenapa sekolah tak ajar benda jadah eksel ni ?] interviewer : [thinking : bodoh punya gomen.. ini mesti projek crony. asyik2 bazir duit rakyat macam buat proton saga] I think now you can see that the problem is not the tools but the education system itself. To continue this example, what those schools should teach is not Excel or OpenOffice calc, or Windows vs FiMOS but spreadsheet, word processor or operating system and pick one tools as 'referenced implementation' of these concepts. The same goes to programming language course or we would be forever getting a graduate who only know .NET or Java or even worse ... VB. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian
worst, VB6.. On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Mohd Kamal Bin Mustafa ka...@smach.netwrote: 2011/3/13 Raja Iskandar Shah rajaiskand...@gmail.com: interviewer : what software do you know ? interviewee : i have learned fimos at school. interviewer : fimos ? do you know how to use excel ? interviewee : i dont know eksel. i only know fimos. school only teach fimos (interviewee starting to get 'gabra') interviewee : they say fimos good. made in malaysia. very cheap. and no virus. interviewer : malaysian product ? we have customers and suppliers all over the world and everybody uses excel. we use excel for quotations, purchase orders, bill of material, accounts, reconciliation, balance sheet, weekly sales reports, claims, overtime, planning schedule, manufacturing account. interviewee : [thinking : aiya mampus lah aku... kenapa sekolah tak ajar benda jadah eksel ni ?] interviewer : [thinking : bodoh punya gomen.. ini mesti projek crony. asyik2 bazir duit rakyat macam buat proton saga] I think now you can see that the problem is not the tools but the education system itself. To continue this example, what those schools should teach is not Excel or OpenOffice calc, or Windows vs FiMOS but spreadsheet, word processor or operating system and pick one tools as 'referenced implementation' of these concepts. The same goes to programming language course or we would be forever getting a graduate who only know .NET or Java or even worse ... VB. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian
Hell I don't excel, don't even know how to calculate stuff properly or using macro, and I always curse that my vim short cut doesn't work when I use it On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 3:40 PM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: Raja, fictitous indeed. Windows needs no learning. Give me an example function in excel that my 11 yr old son cannot show you. On 3/13/11 11:34 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah wrote: imagine this interview for a clerical / account officer position : 1. interviewer : what software do you know ? 2. interviewee : i have learned fimos at school. 3. interviewer : fimos ? do you know how to use excel ? 4. interviewee : i dont know eksel. i only know fimos. school only teach fimos (interviewee starting to get 'gabra') 5. interviewee : they say fimos good. made in malaysia. very cheap. and no virus. 6. interviewer : malaysian product ? we have customers and suppliers all over the world and everybody uses excel. we use excel for quotations, purchase orders, bill of material, accounts, reconciliation, balance sheet, weekly sales reports, claims, overtime, planning schedule, manufacturing account. 7. interviewee : [thinking : aiya mampus lah aku... kenapa sekolah tak ajar benda jadah eksel ni ?] 8. interviewer : [thinking : bodoh punya gomen.. ini mesti projek crony. asyik2 bazir duit rakyat macam buat proton saga] hoping the best for fimos... but as you can see from the above fictional use case scenario, there is a huge challenge for oss in malaysia. on top of the mentality that malaysia products are no good and is a waste of rakyat's money. i believe that somewhere in this thread somebody mentioned that the proton saga was a waste of rakyat's money ;p - it is this attitude that malaysia products are inferior that are killing innovation in malaysia. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
