Re: [osdcmy] What Programming Language you start with? The one youlearn the logic and flow of programming
thats remind me to someone.he's programming student,but never understand the SDLC,waterfall,etc... -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/
Re: [osdcmy] What Programming Language you start with? The one youlearn the logic and flow of programming
I would like to disagree on this part. There is no need for them to get themselves updated with the latest programming languages or trend. Even if they teach COBOL and PASCAL in school today, I think that is something very good. It is not about teaching them how to use the language to develop software, it's about teaching them the concept. We have too many coders today who know how to write software, but fail miserably when it comes to quality. Why? Because when they started to learn programming, they learned how to build software with the programming language rather than the science behinds it. Best Regards, Zarul Shahrin On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Ghodmode ghodm...@ghodmode.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 12:05 PM, sweemeng ng swees...@gmail.com wrote: Make me wonder what happen with Computer Education in Malaysia Do you think it's a problem with Computer Education in Malaysia? I think it's a benefit of the IT field, and programming specifically. My reason for working in IT is that I must always continue learning. It keeps it interesting. I don't think schools could keep up anyway. It's the same in the US. Schools can't keep up with trends in programming. If they tried, it would be an unstable curriculum, changing course materials every semester. -- Ghodmode http://www.ghodmode.com/blog -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/ -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/
Re: [osdcmy] What Programming Language you start with? The one youlearn the logic and flow of programming
Agree with that statement. On Aug 1, 2011 9:28 PM, zarul shahrin zarulshah...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to disagree on this part. There is no need for them to get themselves updated with the latest programming languages or trend. Even if they teach COBOL and PASCAL in school today, I think that is something very good. It is not about teaching them how to use the language to develop software, it's about teaching them the concept. We have too many coders today who know how to write software, but fail miserably when it comes to quality. Why? Because when they started to learn programming, they learned how to build software with the programming language rather than the science behinds it. Best Regards, Zarul Shahrin On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Ghodmode ghodm...@ghodmode.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 12:05 PM, sweemeng ng swees...@gmail.com wrote: Make me wonder what happen with Computer Education in Malaysia Do you think it's a problem with Computer Education in Malaysia? I think it's a benefit of the IT field, and programming specifically. My reason for working in IT is that I must always continue learning. It keeps it interesting. I don't think schools could keep up anyway. It's the same in the US. Schools can't keep up with trends in programming. If they tried, it would be an unstable curriculum, changing course materials every semester. -- Ghodmode http://www.ghodmode.com/blog -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/ -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/ -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/
Re: [osdcmy] What Programming Language you start with? The one youlearn the logic and flow of programming
i learn C as my fundamental of programming. It was my first computer language. Special thanks to all my lecturer who always keep teach me and my parent who always in my heart. On 7/31/11, Ghodmode ghodm...@ghodmode.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 12:05 PM, sweemeng ng swees...@gmail.com wrote: Make me wonder what happen with Computer Education in Malaysia Do you think it's a problem with Computer Education in Malaysia? I think it's a benefit of the IT field, and programming specifically. My reason for working in IT is that I must always continue learning. It keeps it interesting. I don't think schools could keep up anyway. It's the same in the US. Schools can't keep up with trends in programming. If they tried, it would be an unstable curriculum, changing course materials every semester. -- Ghodmode http://www.ghodmode.com/blog -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/ -- VISIT ME @ HTTP://WWW.MASOKIS.COM -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/
Re: [osdcmy] What Programming Language you start with? The one youlearn the logic and flow of programming
More of a concern of what happen since then in Malaysia. Not expecting school to teach everything. My experience on CS education in Malaysia on the other hand, is the same as the opinions on many post on such a topic in OSDC.my list. The only issue with education here is, probably in many other place too. Is that we don't teach how to learn, On Jul 31, 2011 12:56 PM, Ghodmode ghodm...@ghodmode.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 12:05 PM, sweemeng ng swees...@gmail.com wrote: Make me wonder what happen with Computer Education in Malaysia Do you think it's a problem with Computer Education in Malaysia? I think it's a benefit of the IT field, and programming specifically. My reason for working in IT is that I must always continue learning. It keeps it interesting. I don't think schools could keep up anyway. It's the same in the US. Schools can't keep up with trends in programming. If they tried, it would be an unstable curriculum, changing course materials every semester. -- Ghodmode http://www.ghodmode.com/blog -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/ -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/
Re: [osdcmy] What Programming Language you start with? The one youlearn the logic and flow of programming
s/mIRC/ircII/g On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:38 PM, sweemeng ng swees...@gmail.com wrote: More of a concern of what happen since then in Malaysia. Not expecting school to teach everything. My experience on CS education in Malaysia on the other hand, is the same as the opinions on many post on such a topic in OSDC.my list. The only issue with education here is, probably in many other place too. Is that we don't teach how to learn, On Jul 31, 2011 12:56 PM, Ghodmode ghodm...@ghodmode.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 12:05 PM, sweemeng ng swees...@gmail.com wrote: Make me wonder what happen with Computer Education in Malaysia Do you think it's a problem with Computer Education in Malaysia? I think it's a benefit of the IT field, and programming specifically. My reason for working in IT is that I must always continue learning. It keeps it interesting. I don't think schools could keep up anyway. It's the same in the US. Schools can't keep up with trends in programming. If they tried, it would be an unstable curriculum, changing course materials every semester. -- Ghodmode http://www.ghodmode.com/blog -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/ -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/ -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/
Re: [osdcmy] What Programming Language you start with? The one youlearn the logic and flow of programming
Agreed Sent via BlackBerry® 9700 -Original Message- From: zarul shahrin zarulshah...@gmail.com Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 19:45:21 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [osdcmy] What Programming Language you start with? The one you learn the logic and flow of programming Me me me!! I learned to program through MIRC scripting and my first program was an auto-kick script. Frankly speaking - It was also the one that introduced me to the Linux world and made me replace my Windows 98 with Redhat 5 just a few weeks after getting my first computer. I was so obsessed with MIRC Scripting and Psybnc that I decided to learn Linux so that I could install bitchX and psybnc and also run my own IRC Server. Best Regards, Zarul Shahrin On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Ghodmode ghodm...@ghodmode.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote: Team What Programming Language you start with? The one you learn the logic and flow of programming Does basic on the TRS-80 Color Computer 3 in around 1988 count? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-80_Color_Computer#Color_Computer_3_.281986.E2.80.931991.29 How about Microsoft QuickBasic around 1990? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QuickBASIC The Wikipedia page says the last version was released in 1988, but I'm certain I didn't even have a computer that could run it until 1989. I actually bought the boxed version that would let me make EXE files... woohoo!! :) I didn't really start learning anything useful until I started with Perl in 2003, though. For someone starting today, I'd recommend Python. The batteries included concept and strict coding style guidelines make it easier to work with and learn from existing code. https://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=questionid=2322588064704 Its in Facebook QA module. Just for fun. You can answer by reply this email. I never know MIRC have script. Thats good, we can use any lang. to learn programming. -- Ghodmode http://www.ghodmode.com/blog -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/ -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/ -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/
Re: [osdcmy] What Programming Language you start with? The one youlearn the logic and flow of programming
Team Start myself with logo in year 1986 and later BASIC. Learn basic assembler during those day to hack my energy and shield for a game. Hehehe Hacking make us to learn programming. Upgrade myself to C during my Diploma study. Had a problem during that day. My C compiler on SVR4 Unix and others are using Windows. Hard for me to share the source. (how Im going to ftp?) During my work at a bank I learn basic Cobol for my work. Yep to adjust certain parameter and automation for my work. I had use NCR9800 VRX/E and DEC VMS. :) I had build a log monitoring using Visual Basic 3 and running it on Windows 3.1 I think. My main love is shell script. Loving doing it. Love to use it to automated daliy jobs. And we have build Documents Management System sharing between branches. The processing and compress with shell scripts and intergrated with HTTPS and htpasswd. Yes we had use Linux as our backend for the web server, ftp server, DNS server and centralize log. Thats during 1999 up to 2004 (the day I resign) With shell script I learn PHP4. Buy a book for dummies and learn from friends. Just for my knowledge. Gila tul buat PHP without framework. My next love is python. Learning its slowly due to my work load with projects. Want to build something with cloud... :) Morale of my story. Don't stop to learn programming. A lot can be learn from any language that you learn and write and compile. --- Team What Programming Language you start with? The one you learn the logic and flow of programming https://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=questionid=2322588064704 Its in Facebook QA module. Just for fun. You can answer by reply this email. I never know MIRC have script. Thats good, we can use any lang. to learn programming. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/
Re: [osdcmy] What Programming Language you start with? The one youlearn the logic and flow of programming
phew...1986?just born that year.hahaha agreed.dont stop learning programming.today we know how to use PHP5,tomorrow maybe PHP6.its something that moving with technology.never be the same. ps:u should make a book bout yourself En Haris.love to read it..:D On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote: Team Start myself with logo in year 1986 and later BASIC. Learn basic assembler during those day to hack my energy and shield for a game. Hehehe Hacking make us to learn programming. Upgrade myself to C during my Diploma study. Had a problem during that day. My C compiler on SVR4 Unix and others are using Windows. Hard for me to share the source. (how Im going to ftp?) During my work at a bank I learn basic Cobol for my work. Yep to adjust certain parameter and automation for my work. I had use NCR9800 VRX/E and DEC VMS. :) I had build a log monitoring using Visual Basic 3 and running it on Windows 3.1 I think. My main love is shell script. Loving doing it. Love to use it to automated daliy jobs. And we have build Documents Management System sharing between branches. The processing and compress with shell scripts and intergrated with HTTPS and htpasswd. Yes we had use Linux as our backend for the web server, ftp server, DNS server and centralize log. Thats during 1999 up to 2004 (the day I resign) With shell script I learn PHP4. Buy a book for dummies and learn from friends. Just for my knowledge. Gila tul buat PHP without framework. My next love is python. Learning its slowly due to my work load with projects. Want to build something with cloud... :) Morale of my story. Don't stop to learn programming. A lot can be learn from any language that you learn and write and compile. --- Team What Programming Language you start with? The one you learn the logic and flow of programming https://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=questionid=2322588064704 Its in Facebook QA module. Just for fun. You can answer by reply this email. I never know MIRC have script. Thats good, we can use any lang. to learn programming. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/ -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/
Re: [osdcmy] What Programming Language you start with? The one youlearn the logic and flow of programming
Book, hehehe will be soon. :) Hmm during years 86-89 we do had programming competition between computer clubs around Kuala Lumpur. One day event with schedule like 1) In the morning we had theory exam and quiz about programming language. 2) and another team will write a program base on any language whole day. at the end of the day we compile the teams marks and select the winner from the highest point. we never win but we could meet aweks.. hehehe my school is only a boys only school. On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 11:42 AM, darXness darXness darxl...@gmail.com wrote: phew...1986?just born that year.hahaha agreed.dont stop learning programming.today we know how to use PHP5,tomorrow maybe PHP6.its something that moving with technology.never be the same. ps:u should make a book bout yourself En Haris.love to read it..:D On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote: Team Start myself with logo in year 1986 and later BASIC. Learn basic assembler during those day to hack my energy and shield for a game. Hehehe Hacking make us to learn programming. Upgrade myself to C during my Diploma study. Had a problem during that day. My C compiler on SVR4 Unix and others are using Windows. Hard for me to share the source. (how Im going to ftp?) During my work at a bank I learn basic Cobol for my work. Yep to adjust certain parameter and automation for my work. I had use NCR9800 VRX/E and DEC VMS. :) I had build a log monitoring using Visual Basic 3 and running it on Windows 3.1 I think. My main love is shell script. Loving doing it. Love to use it to automated daliy jobs. And we have build Documents Management System sharing between branches. The processing and compress with shell scripts and intergrated with HTTPS and htpasswd. Yes we had use Linux as our backend for the web server, ftp server, DNS server and centralize log. Thats during 1999 up to 2004 (the day I resign) With shell script I learn PHP4. Buy a book for dummies and learn from friends. Just for my knowledge. Gila tul buat PHP without framework. My next love is python. Learning its slowly due to my work load with projects. Want to build something with cloud... :) Morale of my story. Don't stop to learn programming. A lot can be learn from any language that you learn and write and compile. --- Team What Programming Language you start with? The one you learn the logic and flow of programming https://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=questionid=2322588064704 Its in Facebook QA module. Just for fun. You can answer by reply this email. I never know MIRC have script. Thats good, we can use any lang. to learn programming. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/
Re: [osdcmy] What Programming Language you start with? The one youlearn the logic and flow of programming
Make me wonder what happen with Computer Education in Malaysia On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote: Book, hehehe will be soon. :) Hmm during years 86-89 we do had programming competition between computer clubs around Kuala Lumpur. One day event with schedule like 1) In the morning we had theory exam and quiz about programming language. 2) and another team will write a program base on any language whole day. at the end of the day we compile the teams marks and select the winner from the highest point. we never win but we could meet aweks.. hehehe my school is only a boys only school. On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 11:42 AM, darXness darXness darxl...@gmail.com wrote: phew...1986?just born that year.hahaha agreed.dont stop learning programming.today we know how to use PHP5,tomorrow maybe PHP6.its something that moving with technology.never be the same. ps:u should make a book bout yourself En Haris.love to read it..:D On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote: Team Start myself with logo in year 1986 and later BASIC. Learn basic assembler during those day to hack my energy and shield for a game. Hehehe Hacking make us to learn programming. Upgrade myself to C during my Diploma study. Had a problem during that day. My C compiler on SVR4 Unix and others are using Windows. Hard for me to share the source. (how Im going to ftp?) During my work at a bank I learn basic Cobol for my work. Yep to adjust certain parameter and automation for my work. I had use NCR9800 VRX/E and DEC VMS. :) I had build a log monitoring using Visual Basic 3 and running it on Windows 3.1 I think. My main love is shell script. Loving doing it. Love to use it to automated daliy jobs. And we have build Documents Management System sharing between branches. The processing and compress with shell scripts and intergrated with HTTPS and htpasswd. Yes we had use Linux as our backend for the web server, ftp server, DNS server and centralize log. Thats during 1999 up to 2004 (the day I resign) With shell script I learn PHP4. Buy a book for dummies and learn from friends. Just for my knowledge. Gila tul buat PHP without framework. My next love is python. Learning its slowly due to my work load with projects. Want to build something with cloud... :) Morale of my story. Don't stop to learn programming. A lot can be learn from any language that you learn and write and compile. --- Team What Programming Language you start with? The one you learn the logic and flow of programming https://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=questionid=2322588064704 Its in Facebook QA module. Just for fun. You can answer by reply this email. I never know MIRC have script. Thats good, we can use any lang. to learn programming. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/ -- Just a random living organic computer code generator -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/
Re: [osdcmy] What Programming Language you start with? The one youlearn the logic and flow of programming
Yes, I feel sad. Computer syllabus today for primary and secondary schools make us as a users not as a programmers or technical person. Anyone, do you learn how to calculate numbers using only 0 and 1 and later convert to Hex. Do you learn logic with LOGO. Do you learn Arithmetic Reasoning for * / + - Yes math and english are needed and a must to learn programming language. We, my generation, learn it in form 1. (me lambat sikit form 2 in 1986) On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 12:05 PM, sweemeng ng swees...@gmail.com wrote: Make me wonder what happen with Computer Education in Malaysia -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/
Re: [osdcmy] What Programming Language you start with? The one youlearn the logic and flow of programming
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 12:05 PM, sweemeng ng swees...@gmail.com wrote: Make me wonder what happen with Computer Education in Malaysia Do you think it's a problem with Computer Education in Malaysia? I think it's a benefit of the IT field, and programming specifically. My reason for working in IT is that I must always continue learning. It keeps it interesting. I don't think schools could keep up anyway. It's the same in the US. Schools can't keep up with trends in programming. If they tried, it would be an unstable curriculum, changing course materials every semester. -- Ghodmode http://www.ghodmode.com/blog -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/
