[osdcmy-public] Re: MIMOS Tech Preview
1 kopi tiam session is all... ok, ok... i might as well blurt it out here. Apache License - Use at own risk. The story goes like this: Just now 2.30pm session touches on semantic web 3.0 knowledge management layer that Mimos has 'researched' and now make available for locals to receive as techno receipients. Before that there were many cliche type questions from the floor such as, "What is the patent or IP arrangement with Mimos if we are to capitalise on it?" "When is it ready?" "Where can i download it?" "Who else are using it?" "How ready is it?" "How much do we pay Mimos?" "What IP can i keep if its with Mimos?" "Where can i find out more online?" etc etc You catch my blue aura by now. So at exactly 3.10pm i cannot tahan anymore and have to raise my right hand with my left hand clutching my gift bag and pc notebook in case i have to make a reverse gate crash (exit) within 10 secs. I asked that infamous question. The speaker responded that its patent locked to realise the monetary value for the receipients first before opening it up. Then one official from the front row went up to the rostum to continue because he knows me and was afraid that i won't be satisfied with the answer. He added some more points but i was already timing my runway clearance distance. He ended with, "Does that answer your question?" I blurted back, "Doesn't matter", and stood down. I felt that was not the right forum and this OSDC is a more appropriate forum. I like to ask you guys here: 1) Does making your hard sweat and tears open source deprived you of patenting, copyright and intellectual property thereof? 2) De, de, does making your own added-on sourcecodes (fraction only mind you as you'll bound to exploit upon the shoulders of giants FOSS out there in those techno sectors) open and free reduce your capability to commercialise or monetise any of it? 3) An, an, and do you stand a chance in a disruptive marketplace when pharmaceuticals are forgoing patents, Microsoft forgoing MS Office next year in haste as Google is eating up its space for breakfast, and Oracle is figuring out if its fate is next? Tots to ponder. red1 red1 wrote: BRIAN RITCHIE wrote: LOL. I like the way you put it. Love to hear the continuation. That is not open source. Have to pay lah. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/pages/Open-Source-Developers-Club-Malaysia/80... You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: MIMOS Tech Preview
what are the odds that all those recipients are actually more interested in the grant than in the technology ? what are the odds that any of the recipients would still be doing semantic after 5 years ? to answer red1's question 1. copyright is given by default on publication - nothing erodes it unless you keep it in your own private drawer. open source software depends on copyright to assert it's freedom and authorship and redistribution (if oss is not redistributed there is no difference with a ms or oracle perpetual eula) 2. money is a form of exchange for the transaction of goods and services - irrelevant whether its oss, freeware, shareware, proprietary - willing buyer willing seller 3. i will give you a rhetorical answer to whether i will stand a chance ? - will i die someday ? On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 6:26 PM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: 1 kopi tiam session is all... ok, ok... i might as well blurt it out here. Apache License - Use at own risk. The story goes like this: Just now 2.30pm session touches on semantic web 3.0 knowledge management layer that Mimos has 'researched' and now make available for locals to receive as techno receipients. Before that there were many cliche type questions from the floor such as, What is the patent or IP arrangement with Mimos if we are to capitalise on it? When is it ready? Where can i download it? Who else are using it? How ready is it? How much do we pay Mimos? What IP can i keep if its with Mimos? Where can i find out more online? etc etc You catch my blue aura by now. So at exactly 3.10pm i cannot tahan anymore and have to raise my right hand with my left hand clutching my gift bag and pc notebook in case i have to make a reverse gate crash (exit) within 10 secs. I asked that infamous question. The speaker responded that its patent locked to realise the monetary value for the receipients first before opening it up. Then one official from the front row went up to the rostum to continue because he knows me and was afraid that i won't be satisfied with the answer. He added some more points but i was already timing my runway clearance distance. He ended with, Does that answer your question? I blurted back, Doesn't matter, and stood down. I felt that was not the right forum and this OSDC is a more appropriate forum. I like to ask you guys here: 1) Does making your hard sweat and tears open source deprived you of patenting, copyright and intellectual property thereof? 2) De, de, does making your own added-on sourcecodes (fraction only mind you as you'll bound to exploit upon the shoulders of giants FOSS out there in those techno sectors) open and free reduce your capability to commercialise or monetise any of it? 3) An, an, and do you stand a chance in a disruptive marketplace when pharmaceuticals are forgoing patents, Microsoft forgoing MS Office next year in haste as Google is eating up its space for breakfast, and Oracle is figuring out if its fate is next? Tots to ponder. red1 red1 wrote: BRIAN RITCHIE wrote: LOL. I like the way you put it. Love to hear the continuation. That is not open source. Have to pay lah. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/pages/Open-Source-Developers-Club-Malaysia/80292283545 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: MIMOS Tech Preview
Wow my Ex-Uni siot.. UMS cayalah.. tak paham apa tu semantic. Like red1 said proprietary software baru merangkak masuk Web 2.0, U want to give them web 3.0? -wariola- On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:03 PM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: googled for it... some news here http://mis-asia.com/news/articles/mimos,-university-malaysia-sabah-launch-semantic-centre-of-excellence -- .: war|ola :. Use Fedora Linux for better computing experience http://fedoraproject.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/pages/Open-Source-Developers-Club-Malaysia/80292283545 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: MIMOS Tech Preview
the wikipedia article on semantic web is overated the w3c semantic web is palatable psst you want ahh ? i can give you one. banyak bagus. europe dan america punya. original punya. tak perlu ap. free some more ! http://semanticsearch.org/ i wonder what is the business case for mimos semantic web platform when you have a massively popular open source data framework like drupal ? bukan nak kata mimos tak bagus. tapi how to compete when any tom, dick and harry can set up their own drupal site to run semantic web rdf services in 15 minutes ? tak baca ke buku the world is flat or wisdom of the crowd ? must be too busy copy-and-paste from wikipedia and google. how are they going to compete against specialist indie (like krimnet) that can provide trendlines, associations, relationships, faceted search and multilingual ontologies running drupal using only 3 recycled pcs stuck under a corner table ? with a community of thousands. sometime in the future with molap and cubeless dimensions - so that you can slice and dice the data. what it means is that someday, instead of sending you a vcard of myself. i can send you a molap cube of my profile that you can etl to consume and validate in terms of academic, expertise, physical appearance, salary and make comparison to the profile of other people based on selected dimensions / elements / rules / attributes. you can even extend the data via association to my fellow college mates, family members, etc how does one compete against freedom ? On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:19 PM, sweemeng ng swees...@gmail.com wrote: The idea of semantic web is to give meaning to data, instead of giving structure on how it looks, or links to other data. We not just talking about looks, but meanings and relationship On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:16 PM, syamsul anuar wari...@gmail.com wrote: Wow my Ex-Uni siot.. UMS cayalah.. tak paham apa tu semantic. Like red1 said proprietary software baru merangkak masuk Web 2.0, U want to give them web 3.0? -wariola- On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:03 PM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: googled for it... some news here http://mis-asia.com/news/articles/mimos,-university-malaysia-sabah-launch-semantic-centre-of-excellence -- .: war|ola :. Use Fedora Linux for better computing experience http://fedoraproject.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/pages/Open-Source-Developers-Club-Malaysia/80292283545 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: MIMOS Tech Preview
Goes to show how well our top Gomen research people know what is actually happening in the world. Just a bunch of fancy icons, possibly snazzy presentations and throw a couple of techi-like jargons and you'll get the impression they know something. Might be harsh, but it's like congratulating each other for job never done. Eric On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Raja Iskandar Shahrajaiskand...@gmail.com wrote: the wikipedia article on semantic web is overated the w3c semantic web is palatable psst you want ahh ? i can give you one. banyak bagus. europe dan america punya. original punya. tak perlu ap. free some more ! http://semanticsearch.org/ i wonder what is the business case for mimos semantic web platform when you have a massively popular open source data framework like drupal ? bukan nak kata mimos tak bagus. tapi how to compete when any tom, dick and harry can set up their own drupal site to run semantic web rdf services in 15 minutes ? tak baca ke buku the world is flat or wisdom of the crowd ? must be too busy copy-and-paste from wikipedia and google. how are they going to compete against specialist indie (like krimnet) that can provide trendlines, associations, relationships, faceted search and multilingual ontologies running drupal using only 3 recycled pcs stuck under a corner table ? with a community of thousands. sometime in the future with molap and cubeless dimensions - so that you can slice and dice the data. what it means is that someday, instead of sending you a vcard of myself. i can send you a molap cube of my profile that you can etl to consume and validate in terms of academic, expertise, physical appearance, salary and make comparison to the profile of other people based on selected dimensions / elements / rules / attributes. you can even extend the data via association to my fellow college mates, family members, etc how does one compete against freedom ? On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:19 PM, sweemeng ng swees...@gmail.com wrote: The idea of semantic web is to give meaning to data, instead of giving structure on how it looks, or links to other data. We not just talking about looks, but meanings and relationship On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:16 PM, syamsul anuar wari...@gmail.com wrote: Wow my Ex-Uni siot.. UMS cayalah.. tak paham apa tu semantic. Like red1 said proprietary software baru merangkak masuk Web 2.0, U want to give them web 3.0? -wariola- On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:03 PM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: googled for it... some news here http://mis-asia.com/news/articles/mimos,-university-malaysia-sabah-launch-semantic-centre-of-excellence -- .: war|ola :. Use Fedora Linux for better computing experience http://fedoraproject.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/pages/Open-Source-Developers-Club-Malaysia/80292283545 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: MIMOS Tech Preview
the Cory Doctrow article on Semantic Web is better and more intersting reading. Metacrap: Putting the torch to seven straw-men of the meta-utopia http://www.well.com/~doctorow/metacrap.htm Semantic web is a big project. And MIMOS going it 'on their own' (propritry vs open source) is doomed to irrelevance. I'm gonna be cynical here, but what has MIMOS achieved since its creation? It was set up (in late 80's) to do micro-electronics research, as Msia was then becoming a leader for the packaging of IC's as companies like Mototrola, Intel, AMD, TI, Harris setup shop here. Back in the late 80's/90's when I was doing contract work for a major semicon company, I asked their senior engineers what they thought of MIMOS, .. bunch of jokers was what I got. Since then, Taiwan and Korea has their own wafer foundries (yeah we have one in Sarawak, that does'nt count... but that's another story). But we were ahead of them then. To their credit, they introduced internet to M'sia, Jaring, but what else? I do remember they announcing doing research on 8-bit processors at a time when the rest of the world has moved onto 16, 32 bit. Then there's a few other things they tried to do, but what happened to Digicert, its a MIMOS Verisign look alike, spin-off, what's its uptake? Throw in the multi-lingual environ we have in Msia, how do you link mata-data then? Thats why we need the power of the 'commons'... So MIMOS can pull off Semantic Web 3.0 on its own? I doubt it. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:19 PM, sweemeng ngswees...@gmail.com wrote: The idea of semantic web is to give meaning to data, instead of giving structure on how it looks, or links to other data. We not just talking about looks, but meanings and relationship On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:16 PM, syamsul anuar wari...@gmail.com wrote: Wow my Ex-Uni siot.. UMS cayalah.. tak paham apa tu semantic. Like red1 said proprietary software baru merangkak masuk Web 2.0, U want to give them web 3.0? -wariola- On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:03 PM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: googled for it... some news here http://mis-asia.com/news/articles/mimos,-university-malaysia-sabah-launch-semantic-centre-of-excellence -- .: war|ola :. Use Fedora Linux for better computing experience http://fedoraproject.org -- #--- regds, Boh Heong, Yap --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/pages/Open-Source-Developers-Club-Malaysia/80292283545 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: MIMOS Tech Preview
Boh Yap wrote: the Cory Doctrow article on Semantic Web is better and more intersting reading. Metacrap: Putting the torch to seven straw-men of the meta-utopia http://www.well.com/~doctorow/metacrap.htm Semantic web is a big project. And MIMOS going it 'on their own' (propritry vs open source) is doomed to irrelevance. Thanks Boh for throwing more straw for the cap. Some memory relapse is clearing for me - the tomorrow do i hear is to have gurus on board delivering on the theory of it. I also saw alot of techno stack graphs, and one favorite reused one is the 4 quadrant thingy of whether you re brown, dead, blue or green. Oh yes, there is always this ending slide that says Unlimited Potential with a photo of Anthony Robbins and the slogan You have to change. Then the speaker admited (without provocation) Forget about the old MIMOS. Now we have changed to a new MIMOS. More friendly. You must change too. Even though i have not encountered MIMOS like you did, i will wonder what they mean by that 'old MIMOS'. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/pages/Open-Source-Developers-Club-Malaysia/80292283545 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: MIMOS Tech Preview
me like the bit on It's not a bald spot, it's a *solar panel for a sex-machine*. this morning heard the interview with the mimos ceo on bfm radio. kena trap about rd funding amount that they have received ... first he blurted 'sensitive' then fumbled and mumbled.. aiyoo... felt sorry for the guy On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:18 AM, Boh Yap bhy...@gmail.com wrote: the Cory Doctrow article on Semantic Web is better and more intersting reading. Metacrap: Putting the torch to seven straw-men of the meta-utopia http://www.well.com/~doctorow/metacrap.htmhttp://www.well.com/%7Edoctorow/metacrap.htm Semantic web is a big project. And MIMOS going it 'on their own' (propritry vs open source) is doomed to irrelevance. I'm gonna be cynical here, but what has MIMOS achieved since its creation? It was set up (in late 80's) to do micro-electronics research, as Msia was then becoming a leader for the packaging of IC's as companies like Mototrola, Intel, AMD, TI, Harris setup shop here. Back in the late 80's/90's when I was doing contract work for a major semicon company, I asked their senior engineers what they thought of MIMOS, .. bunch of jokers was what I got. Since then, Taiwan and Korea has their own wafer foundries (yeah we have one in Sarawak, that does'nt count... but that's another story). But we were ahead of them then. To their credit, they introduced internet to M'sia, Jaring, but what else? I do remember they announcing doing research on 8-bit processors at a time when the rest of the world has moved onto 16, 32 bit. Then there's a few other things they tried to do, but what happened to Digicert, its a MIMOS Verisign look alike, spin-off, what's its uptake? Throw in the multi-lingual environ we have in Msia, how do you link mata-data then? Thats why we need the power of the 'commons'... So MIMOS can pull off Semantic Web 3.0 on its own? I doubt it. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:19 PM, sweemeng ngswees...@gmail.com wrote: The idea of semantic web is to give meaning to data, instead of giving structure on how it looks, or links to other data. We not just talking about looks, but meanings and relationship On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:16 PM, syamsul anuar wari...@gmail.com wrote: Wow my Ex-Uni siot.. UMS cayalah.. tak paham apa tu semantic. Like red1 said proprietary software baru merangkak masuk Web 2.0, U want to give them web 3.0? -wariola- On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:03 PM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: googled for it... some news here http://mis-asia.com/news/articles/mimos,-university-malaysia-sabah-launch-semantic-centre-of-excellence -- .: war|ola :. Use Fedora Linux for better computing experience http://fedoraproject.org -- #--- regds, Boh Heong, Yap --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/pages/Open-Source-Developers-Club-Malaysia/80292283545 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
