RE: [OT] New surface laptop

[David Kean]

Yes it’s an OS problem which I believe based on whether Windows boots with the 
primary monitor as high-DPI or not.  I’ve not confirmed if this is fixed in 
Anniversary Update, as I just stopped connecting my surface to external 
monitors after I got a dedicated dev box.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Wood
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 9:32 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: [OT] New surface laptop

I have always had issues with DPI, external monitors and my Surface Pro 3.

The way I resolve,  is to only ever bootup/login to windows 10 with your 
external monitors plugged in.
Then you can plug, unplug all you wish, as long as that first login is with the 
screens in

But if you first login to the surface with no screens connected, then go and 
connect, it is crazy DPI problems. I have to then log off or reboot to make it 
look better.


I have 3 Dell U2414H screens daisy chained into the mini display port - no dock 
needed.

Greg




Greg Wood
e: g...@woodgreg.com
t: +61417044439


On 3 July 2017 at 21:08, Ken Schaefer 
> wrote:
Why would UI performance suck if the DPI were different? It’s just raw 
rendering data pumped out over displayPort – and surely driver only cares about 
how many horizontal vs. vertical pixels to render. If anything this would be a 
Microsoft OS problem surely?

FWIW, I haven’t experienced anything like David (I’ve got two different 4K 
monitors at home – 32” and 24”, plus 1080i monitors, and a whole bunch of 
different projectors, TV screens and monitors at work) – this is the first I’ve 
ever heard of this issue.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of David Kean
Sent: Monday, 3 July 2017 4:30 PM
To: ozDotNet >
Subject: RE: [OT] New surface laptop

(I work for Microsoft)

I purchased the i5, 256 GB one for my wife last week.

First impressions, screen is really bright. The Alcantara cover is very 
different to what I thought it would be (less material-like than I thought). 
Much lighter and smaller when closed to my original Surface Book (mind you this 
is the fastest Surface Book you can buy). Curves are really nice on the hands 
and must less sharp than its Surface Book cousin. I found my Surface Book 
lacking as dev-box (as I find with a  lot of laptops), and UI performance 
really sucked if you connected an external monitor that wasn’t the same DPI – I 
suspect this thing would suffer from the same thing.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Tom Rutter
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 1:20 PM
To: ozDotNet >
Subject: [OT] New surface laptop

Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(

Cheers

Re: [OT] New surface laptop

[Greg Wood]

I have always had issues with DPI, external monitors and my Surface Pro 3.

The way I resolve,  is to only ever bootup/login to windows 10 with your
external monitors plugged in.
Then you can plug, unplug all you wish, as long as that first login is with
the screens in

But if you first login to the surface with no screens connected, then go
and connect, it is crazy DPI problems. I have to then log off or reboot to
make it look better.


I have 3 Dell U2414H screens daisy chained into the mini display port - no
dock needed.

Greg




Greg Wood
e: g...@woodgreg.com
t: +61417044439


On 3 July 2017 at 21:08, Ken Schaefer  wrote:

> Why would UI performance suck if the DPI were different? It’s just raw
> rendering data pumped out over displayPort – and surely driver only cares
> about how many horizontal vs. vertical pixels to render. If anything this
> would be a Microsoft OS problem surely?
>
>
>
> FWIW, I haven’t experienced anything like David (I’ve got two different 4K
> monitors at home – 32” and 24”, plus 1080i monitors, and a whole bunch of
> different projectors, TV screens and monitors at work) – this is the first
> I’ve ever heard of this issue.
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-bounces@
> ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Kean
> *Sent:* Monday, 3 July 2017 4:30 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet 
> *Subject:* RE: [OT] New surface laptop
>
>
>
> (I work for Microsoft)
>
>
>
> I purchased the i5, 256 GB one for my wife last week.
>
>
>
> First impressions, screen is really bright. The Alcantara cover is very
> different to what I thought it would be (less material-like than I
> thought). Much lighter and smaller when closed to my original Surface Book
> (mind you this is the fastest Surface Book you can buy). Curves are really
> nice on the hands and must less sharp than its Surface Book cousin. I found
> my Surface Book lacking as dev-box (as I find with a  lot of laptops), and
> UI performance really sucked if you connected an external monitor that
> wasn’t the same DPI – I suspect this thing would suffer from the same thing.
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-bounces@
> ozdotnet.com ] *On Behalf Of *Tom Rutter
> *Sent:* Monday, July 3, 2017 1:20 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet 
> *Subject:* [OT] New surface laptop
>
>
>
> Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
>
> My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(
>
>
>
> Cheers
>

RE: [OT] New surface laptop

[Ken Schaefer]

Why would UI performance suck if the DPI were different? It’s just raw 
rendering data pumped out over displayPort – and surely driver only cares about 
how many horizontal vs. vertical pixels to render. If anything this would be a 
Microsoft OS problem surely?

FWIW, I haven’t experienced anything like David (I’ve got two different 4K 
monitors at home – 32” and 24”, plus 1080i monitors, and a whole bunch of 
different projectors, TV screens and monitors at work) – this is the first I’ve 
ever heard of this issue.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of David Kean
Sent: Monday, 3 July 2017 4:30 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: RE: [OT] New surface laptop

(I work for Microsoft)

I purchased the i5, 256 GB one for my wife last week.

First impressions, screen is really bright. The Alcantara cover is very 
different to what I thought it would be (less material-like than I thought). 
Much lighter and smaller when closed to my original Surface Book (mind you this 
is the fastest Surface Book you can buy). Curves are really nice on the hands 
and must less sharp than its Surface Book cousin. I found my Surface Book 
lacking as dev-box (as I find with a  lot of laptops), and UI performance 
really sucked if you connected an external monitor that wasn’t the same DPI – I 
suspect this thing would suffer from the same thing.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Tom Rutter
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 1:20 PM
To: ozDotNet >
Subject: [OT] New surface laptop

Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(

Cheers

Re: [OT] New surface laptop

[Tom Rutter]

Sorry about that. Didn't mean to make another laptop thread, was only
asking about the surface laptop.
You are right about the good laptop myth though

On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 4:46 PM, Stephen Price 
wrote:

> We need to make laptop threads on topic. They happen so often we could
> almost make the list about them. :)
>
> My Dell xps 13 is ok but it felt lacking in performance. I suspect it's
> the aggressive power throttling. I may turn off the CPU stepping and see if
> it runs better.
>
> Recently got Razer Blade pro. Good except too heavy to be deemed portable
> and the sound is popping even after driver updates. Might just be a dud.
> Getting support on that which is delayed due to timezones.
>
> I don't think good laptops exist. They are a myth.
>
> On 3 Jul. 2017 11:20 am, Tom Rutter  wrote:
>
> Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
> My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(
>
> Cheers
>
>
>

Re: [OT] New surface laptop

[Tom Rutter]

Hah didn't even notice that before you mentioned it. It's as if the
designers did it just to make something wrong with the laptop. I've looked
at so many laptops now that I'm over it all...

On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 4:37 PM, DotNet Dude  wrote:

> Have you seen where the power button is on the keyboard? Lol no thanks
>
>
> On Monday, 3 July 2017, Tom Rutter  wrote:
>
>> Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
>> My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>

Re: [OT] New surface laptop

[David Connors]

I just refreshed to a Lenovo X1 Yoga Gen2. Very, very nice.

On Mon., 3 Jul. 2017, 4:46 pm Stephen Price, 
wrote:

> We need to make laptop threads on topic. They happen so often we could
> almost make the list about them. :)
>
> My Dell xps 13 is ok but it felt lacking in performance. I suspect it's
> the aggressive power throttling. I may turn off the CPU stepping and see if
> it runs better.
>
> Recently got Razer Blade pro. Good except too heavy to be deemed portable
> and the sound is popping even after driver updates. Might just be a dud.
> Getting support on that which is delayed due to timezones.
>
> I don't think good laptops exist. They are a myth.
>
> On 3 Jul. 2017 11:20 am, Tom Rutter  wrote:
>
> Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
> My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(
>
> Cheers
>
>
> --
David Connors
da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363

Re: [OT] New surface laptop

[Stephen Price]

We need to make laptop threads on topic. They happen so often we could almost 
make the list about them. :)

My Dell xps 13 is ok but it felt lacking in performance. I suspect it's the 
aggressive power throttling. I may turn off the CPU stepping and see if it runs 
better.

Recently got Razer Blade pro. Good except too heavy to be deemed portable and 
the sound is popping even after driver updates. Might just be a dud. Getting 
support on that which is delayed due to timezones.

I don't think good laptops exist. They are a myth.

On 3 Jul. 2017 11:20 am, Tom Rutter  wrote:
Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(

Cheers

Re: [OT] New surface laptop

[Bec C]

No Dell ++

On Monday, 3 July 2017, Greg Harris  wrote:

> *Strong recommendation not a DELL!*
> DELL took my working machine, broke it in a service call and would not
> take responsibility for the breakage!
> They knew it was not worth my time to take it any further!
> Now I will never buy a DELL again!
>
> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Tom Rutter  > wrote:
>
>> Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
>> My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>
>

Re: [OT] New surface laptop

[Greg Harris]

*Strong recommendation not a DELL!*
DELL took my working machine, broke it in a service call and would not take
responsibility for the breakage!
They knew it was not worth my time to take it any further!
Now I will never buy a DELL again!

On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Tom Rutter  wrote:

> Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
> My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(
>
> Cheers
>

Re: [OT] New surface laptop

[DotNet Dude]

Have you seen where the power button is on the keyboard? Lol no thanks

On Monday, 3 July 2017, Tom Rutter  wrote:

> Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
> My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(
>
> Cheers
>

RE: [OT] New surface laptop

[David Kean]

(I work for Microsoft)

I purchased the i5, 256 GB one for my wife last week.

First impressions, screen is really bright. The Alcantara cover is very 
different to what I thought it would be (less material-like than I thought). 
Much lighter and smaller when closed to my original Surface Book (mind you this 
is the fastest Surface Book you can buy). Curves are really nice on the hands 
and must less sharp than its Surface Book cousin. I found my Surface Book 
lacking as dev-box (as I find with a  lot of laptops), and UI performance 
really sucked if you connected an external monitor that wasn’t the same DPI – I 
suspect this thing would suffer from the same thing.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Tom Rutter
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 1:20 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: [OT] New surface laptop

Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(

Cheers