Re: [OT] Credit check for new contract

[Tom Rutter]

Hi Tom, I had this done before when contracting to the tax office. I had
similar concerns but it turned out to be legitimate. Good luck!

On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 18:33, Tom P  wrote:

> Hi folks
>
> For the experienced contractors here who may know...
>
> I am in the process of starting a new contract and the recruitment agent
> has requested access to my credit file (via WorkPro). Is this normal? I’ve
> only had one contract in the past and the credit check was not done AFAIK.
>
> My credit file is clean so that’s not an issue but it contains sensitive
> information such as my credit card limits, etc, so I’m hesitant to release
> it unless absolutely necessary.
>
> Any info would be appreciated.
>
> Cheers
> Tom
> --
> Thanks
> Tom
>

RE: [OT] Credit check for new contract

[Dr Greg Low]

Best option? Try to get yourself to a point where you don’t need people like 
recruiters. Build a situation where customers find you instead.

That’s easier or harder depending upon your age and how quickly you want to 
achieve that.

It also means that you get to determine the rates, not someone else.

The best day to start working on that was 10 years ago. The next best day is 
today.

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

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From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  On Behalf 
Of mike smith
Sent: Wednesday, 2 June 2021 11:25 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: [OT] Credit check for new contract

And the same recruiters with those duplicate ads expect exclusivity from you.

Mike

On Wed, Jun 2, 2021, 21:19 Tony Wright 
mailto:tonyw...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I do start with the job boards. Seek and Linked in first. Most companies these 
days put their own ad up and then recruiters come along and put the same ad up 
with their name on it. Sometimes you see 4 or 5 ads for the same job. Quite 
annoying. And the majority of recruiter jobs otherwise probably don't exist. 
But occasionally you find a recruiter that does find you real work and they're 
the ones you give your time to if you can't find work yourself. Some of them 
are real slime balls though.

On Wed, 2 Jun 2021, 9:40 pm Tom P, 
mailto:tompbi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
If not recruiters, where do you start looking for work? Personally I’ve found 
it very difficult to find work but obviously many factors are involved.

Cheers
Tom


On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 21:25, Tony Wright 
mailto:tonyw...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Yea I get that. That's why I said it depends who's at the other end. Tbh I'm 
pretty sick of recruiters. They are a dime a dozen. I think at one stage about 
20% of my linked list was recruiters. My thinking was that I might need them 
one day. But I have culled them significantly, down to a few remaining agents 
that I believe add value. I don't often start with recruiters when I'm looking 
for work, they take too much of a cut for adding very little value.

On Wed, 2 Jun 2021, 9:17 pm DotNet Dude, 
mailto:adotnetd...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hey Tony,

Tom’s original question was about the recruiter asking for this info which is 
quite different from the bank you’re working for. Financial institutions do ask 
for the things you mention but I’d be suspicious and hesitant to pass info like 
that to a silly old recruiter.

I’ve never been comfortable with systems like WorkPro, particularly with credit 
files, which they let you just download as a PDF so the recruiter can easily 
forward. Not cool at all.

The whole recruitment model and the systems they use really needs a revamp to 
protect user privacy and security. I’m not convinced they are secure.


On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 20:33, Tony Wright 
mailto:tonyw...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Really? At the bank I have had sign over a right for them to receive every 
contact note for any shares I buy or sell. I also have to submit requests to 
buy or sell shares. That's an Apra requirement. I'm also not allowed to have 
directorships in more than one company, and it has to be an approved 
directorship. So it really does depend on who it is and what it means to you. A 
credit check to ensure that you aren't susceptible to bribery might be 
reasonable too depending on who it is. If it's some random numpty, sure, tell 
them to get stuffed, but some places really do need extra checks on their staff.

On Wed, 2 Jun 2021, 8:25 pm David Connors, 
mailto:da...@connors.com>> wrote:
Personally, I'd decline given the circumstances you've described. It would be 
like asking for this information from an employee and inappropriate if not 
probably illegal in the context of an FTE.

David Connors
da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363
Telegram: https://t.me/davidconnors
LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors


On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 19:20, Tom P 
mailto:tompbi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Yes as an individual contractor so I did find it very odd. I’ve asked for a 
reason so let’s see what they come back with.

Cheers
Tom

On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 19:06, David Connors 
mailto:da...@connors.com>> wrote:
If you're doing this as an individual contractor on a work for hire / hourly 
basis then this is pretty strange.

Even as a company, we almost always decline disclosure of financial information 
on the basis that we're privately held and send whoever is asking a letter of 
solvency from our tax accountants instead (they just want to know we're not 
going to go bust - but that's a very strange consideration if you're an 
individual contractor).

David Connors
da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363
Telegram: https://t.me/davidconnors
LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors


On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 18:32, Tom P 
mailto:tompbi...@gmail.com>> 

Re: [OT] Credit check for new contract

[Tom P]

Understood, thanks. I do tend to live my own box, particularly during covid
in the last 18 months as I live in Victoria.

On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 at 06:08, David Connors  wrote:

> You need to network more. It is not uncommon for our customers to ask us
> if we know a dev, pm etc and I refer on people I know.
>
> Also get out to user groups ... Companies often stick their hand up at
> them saying they're hiring.
>
> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 9:40 pm, Tom P  wrote:
>
>> If not recruiters, where do you start looking for work? Personally I’ve
>> found it very difficult to find work but obviously many factors are
>> involved.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 21:25, Tony Wright  wrote:
>>
>>> Yea I get that. That's why I said it depends who's at the other end. Tbh
>>> I'm pretty sick of recruiters. They are a dime a dozen. I think at one
>>> stage about 20% of my linked list was recruiters. My thinking was that I
>>> might need them one day. But I have culled them significantly, down to a
>>> few remaining agents that I believe add value. I don't often start with
>>> recruiters when I'm looking for work, they take too much of a cut for
>>> adding very little value.
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021, 9:17 pm DotNet Dude,  wrote:
>>>
 Hey Tony,

 Tom’s original question was about the recruiter asking for this info
 which is quite different from the bank you’re working for. Financial
 institutions do ask for the things you mention but I’d be suspicious and
 hesitant to pass info like that to a silly old recruiter.

 I’ve never been comfortable with systems like WorkPro, particularly
 with credit files, which they let you just download as a PDF so the
 recruiter can easily forward. Not cool at all.

 The whole recruitment model and the systems they use really needs a
 revamp to protect user privacy and security. I’m not convinced they are
 secure.


 On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 20:33, Tony Wright  wrote:

> Really? At the bank I have had sign over a right for them to receive
> every contact note for any shares I buy or sell. I also have to submit
> requests to buy or sell shares. That's an Apra requirement. I'm also not
> allowed to have directorships in more than one company, and it has to be 
> an
> approved directorship. So it really does depend on who it is and what it
> means to you. A credit check to ensure that you aren't susceptible to
> bribery might be reasonable too depending on who it is. If it's some 
> random
> numpty, sure, tell them to get stuffed, but some places really do need
> extra checks on their staff.
>
> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021, 8:25 pm David Connors,  wrote:
>
>> Personally, I'd decline given the circumstances you've described. It
>> would be like asking for this information from an employee and
>> inappropriate if not probably illegal in the context of an FTE.
>>
>> David Connors
>> da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363
>> Telegram: https://t.me/davidconnors
>> LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 19:20, Tom P  wrote:
>>
>>> Yes as an individual contractor so I did find it very odd. I’ve
>>> asked for a reason so let’s see what they come back with.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 19:06, David Connors 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 If you're doing this as an individual contractor on a work for hire
 / hourly basis then this is pretty strange.

 Even as a company, we almost always decline disclosure of financial
 information on the basis that we're privately held and send whoever is
 asking a letter of solvency from our tax accountants instead (they just
 want to know we're not going to go bust - but that's a very strange
 consideration if you're an individual contractor).

 David Connors
 da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363
 Telegram: https://t.me/davidconnors
 LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors



 On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 18:32, Tom P  wrote:

> Hi folks
>
> For the experienced contractors here who may know...
>
> I am in the process of starting a new contract and the recruitment
> agent has requested access to my credit file (via WorkPro). Is this 
> normal?
> I’ve only had one contract in the past and the credit check was not 
> done
> AFAIK.
>
> My credit file is clean so that’s not an issue but it contains
> sensitive information such as my credit card limits, etc, so I’m 
> hesitant
> to release it unless absolutely necessary.
>
> Any info would be appreciated.
>
> Cheers
> Tom
>
 --

Re: [OT] Credit check for new contract

[David Connors]

You need to network more. It is not uncommon for our customers to ask us if
we know a dev, pm etc and I refer on people I know.

Also get out to user groups ... Companies often stick their hand up at them
saying they're hiring.

On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 9:40 pm, Tom P  wrote:

> If not recruiters, where do you start looking for work? Personally I’ve
> found it very difficult to find work but obviously many factors are
> involved.
>
> Cheers
> Tom
>
>
> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 21:25, Tony Wright  wrote:
>
>> Yea I get that. That's why I said it depends who's at the other end. Tbh
>> I'm pretty sick of recruiters. They are a dime a dozen. I think at one
>> stage about 20% of my linked list was recruiters. My thinking was that I
>> might need them one day. But I have culled them significantly, down to a
>> few remaining agents that I believe add value. I don't often start with
>> recruiters when I'm looking for work, they take too much of a cut for
>> adding very little value.
>>
>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021, 9:17 pm DotNet Dude,  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Tony,
>>>
>>> Tom’s original question was about the recruiter asking for this info
>>> which is quite different from the bank you’re working for. Financial
>>> institutions do ask for the things you mention but I’d be suspicious and
>>> hesitant to pass info like that to a silly old recruiter.
>>>
>>> I’ve never been comfortable with systems like WorkPro, particularly with
>>> credit files, which they let you just download as a PDF so the recruiter
>>> can easily forward. Not cool at all.
>>>
>>> The whole recruitment model and the systems they use really needs a
>>> revamp to protect user privacy and security. I’m not convinced they are
>>> secure.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 20:33, Tony Wright  wrote:
>>>
 Really? At the bank I have had sign over a right for them to receive
 every contact note for any shares I buy or sell. I also have to submit
 requests to buy or sell shares. That's an Apra requirement. I'm also not
 allowed to have directorships in more than one company, and it has to be an
 approved directorship. So it really does depend on who it is and what it
 means to you. A credit check to ensure that you aren't susceptible to
 bribery might be reasonable too depending on who it is. If it's some random
 numpty, sure, tell them to get stuffed, but some places really do need
 extra checks on their staff.

 On Wed, 2 Jun 2021, 8:25 pm David Connors,  wrote:

> Personally, I'd decline given the circumstances you've described. It
> would be like asking for this information from an employee and
> inappropriate if not probably illegal in the context of an FTE.
>
> David Connors
> da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363
> Telegram: https://t.me/davidconnors
> LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
>
>
>
> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 19:20, Tom P  wrote:
>
>> Yes as an individual contractor so I did find it very odd. I’ve asked
>> for a reason so let’s see what they come back with.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Tom
>>
>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 19:06, David Connors  wrote:
>>
>>> If you're doing this as an individual contractor on a work for hire
>>> / hourly basis then this is pretty strange.
>>>
>>> Even as a company, we almost always decline disclosure of financial
>>> information on the basis that we're privately held and send whoever is
>>> asking a letter of solvency from our tax accountants instead (they just
>>> want to know we're not going to go bust - but that's a very strange
>>> consideration if you're an individual contractor).
>>>
>>> David Connors
>>> da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363
>>> Telegram: https://t.me/davidconnors
>>> LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 18:32, Tom P  wrote:
>>>
 Hi folks

 For the experienced contractors here who may know...

 I am in the process of starting a new contract and the recruitment
 agent has requested access to my credit file (via WorkPro). Is this 
 normal?
 I’ve only had one contract in the past and the credit check was not 
 done
 AFAIK.

 My credit file is clean so that’s not an issue but it contains
 sensitive information such as my credit card limits, etc, so I’m 
 hesitant
 to release it unless absolutely necessary.

 Any info would be appreciated.

 Cheers
 Tom

>>> --
 Thanks
 Tom

>>> --
>> Thanks
>> Tom
>>
> --
> Thanks
> Tom
>
-- 

David Connors
da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363
Telegram: https://t.me/davidconnors
LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors

Re: [OT] Credit check for new contract

[mike smith]

And the same recruiters with those duplicate ads expect exclusivity from
you.

Mike

On Wed, Jun 2, 2021, 21:19 Tony Wright  wrote:

> I do start with the job boards. Seek and Linked in first. Most companies
> these days put their own ad up and then recruiters come along and put the
> same ad up with their name on it. Sometimes you see 4 or 5 ads for the same
> job. Quite annoying. And the majority of recruiter jobs otherwise probably
> don't exist. But occasionally you find a recruiter that does find you real
> work and they're the ones you give your time to if you can't find work
> yourself. Some of them are real slime balls though.
>
> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021, 9:40 pm Tom P,  wrote:
>
>> If not recruiters, where do you start looking for work? Personally I’ve
>> found it very difficult to find work but obviously many factors are
>> involved.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 21:25, Tony Wright  wrote:
>>
>>> Yea I get that. That's why I said it depends who's at the other end. Tbh
>>> I'm pretty sick of recruiters. They are a dime a dozen. I think at one
>>> stage about 20% of my linked list was recruiters. My thinking was that I
>>> might need them one day. But I have culled them significantly, down to a
>>> few remaining agents that I believe add value. I don't often start with
>>> recruiters when I'm looking for work, they take too much of a cut for
>>> adding very little value.
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021, 9:17 pm DotNet Dude,  wrote:
>>>
 Hey Tony,

 Tom’s original question was about the recruiter asking for this info
 which is quite different from the bank you’re working for. Financial
 institutions do ask for the things you mention but I’d be suspicious and
 hesitant to pass info like that to a silly old recruiter.

 I’ve never been comfortable with systems like WorkPro, particularly
 with credit files, which they let you just download as a PDF so the
 recruiter can easily forward. Not cool at all.

 The whole recruitment model and the systems they use really needs a
 revamp to protect user privacy and security. I’m not convinced they are
 secure.


 On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 20:33, Tony Wright  wrote:

> Really? At the bank I have had sign over a right for them to receive
> every contact note for any shares I buy or sell. I also have to submit
> requests to buy or sell shares. That's an Apra requirement. I'm also not
> allowed to have directorships in more than one company, and it has to be 
> an
> approved directorship. So it really does depend on who it is and what it
> means to you. A credit check to ensure that you aren't susceptible to
> bribery might be reasonable too depending on who it is. If it's some 
> random
> numpty, sure, tell them to get stuffed, but some places really do need
> extra checks on their staff.
>
> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021, 8:25 pm David Connors,  wrote:
>
>> Personally, I'd decline given the circumstances you've described. It
>> would be like asking for this information from an employee and
>> inappropriate if not probably illegal in the context of an FTE.
>>
>> David Connors
>> da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363
>> Telegram: https://t.me/davidconnors
>> LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 19:20, Tom P  wrote:
>>
>>> Yes as an individual contractor so I did find it very odd. I’ve
>>> asked for a reason so let’s see what they come back with.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 19:06, David Connors 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 If you're doing this as an individual contractor on a work for hire
 / hourly basis then this is pretty strange.

 Even as a company, we almost always decline disclosure of financial
 information on the basis that we're privately held and send whoever is
 asking a letter of solvency from our tax accountants instead (they just
 want to know we're not going to go bust - but that's a very strange
 consideration if you're an individual contractor).

 David Connors
 da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363
 Telegram: https://t.me/davidconnors
 LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors



 On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 18:32, Tom P  wrote:

> Hi folks
>
> For the experienced contractors here who may know...
>
> I am in the process of starting a new contract and the recruitment
> agent has requested access to my credit file (via WorkPro). Is this 
> normal?
> I’ve only had one contract in the past and the credit check was not 
> done
> AFAIK.
>
> My credit file is clean so that’s not an issue but it contains
> sensitive information such as 

Re: [OT] Credit check for new contract

[Tony Wright]

I do start with the job boards. Seek and Linked in first. Most companies
these days put their own ad up and then recruiters come along and put the
same ad up with their name on it. Sometimes you see 4 or 5 ads for the same
job. Quite annoying. And the majority of recruiter jobs otherwise probably
don't exist. But occasionally you find a recruiter that does find you real
work and they're the ones you give your time to if you can't find work
yourself. Some of them are real slime balls though.

On Wed, 2 Jun 2021, 9:40 pm Tom P,  wrote:

> If not recruiters, where do you start looking for work? Personally I’ve
> found it very difficult to find work but obviously many factors are
> involved.
>
> Cheers
> Tom
>
>
> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 21:25, Tony Wright  wrote:
>
>> Yea I get that. That's why I said it depends who's at the other end. Tbh
>> I'm pretty sick of recruiters. They are a dime a dozen. I think at one
>> stage about 20% of my linked list was recruiters. My thinking was that I
>> might need them one day. But I have culled them significantly, down to a
>> few remaining agents that I believe add value. I don't often start with
>> recruiters when I'm looking for work, they take too much of a cut for
>> adding very little value.
>>
>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021, 9:17 pm DotNet Dude,  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Tony,
>>>
>>> Tom’s original question was about the recruiter asking for this info
>>> which is quite different from the bank you’re working for. Financial
>>> institutions do ask for the things you mention but I’d be suspicious and
>>> hesitant to pass info like that to a silly old recruiter.
>>>
>>> I’ve never been comfortable with systems like WorkPro, particularly with
>>> credit files, which they let you just download as a PDF so the recruiter
>>> can easily forward. Not cool at all.
>>>
>>> The whole recruitment model and the systems they use really needs a
>>> revamp to protect user privacy and security. I’m not convinced they are
>>> secure.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 20:33, Tony Wright  wrote:
>>>
 Really? At the bank I have had sign over a right for them to receive
 every contact note for any shares I buy or sell. I also have to submit
 requests to buy or sell shares. That's an Apra requirement. I'm also not
 allowed to have directorships in more than one company, and it has to be an
 approved directorship. So it really does depend on who it is and what it
 means to you. A credit check to ensure that you aren't susceptible to
 bribery might be reasonable too depending on who it is. If it's some random
 numpty, sure, tell them to get stuffed, but some places really do need
 extra checks on their staff.

 On Wed, 2 Jun 2021, 8:25 pm David Connors,  wrote:

> Personally, I'd decline given the circumstances you've described. It
> would be like asking for this information from an employee and
> inappropriate if not probably illegal in the context of an FTE.
>
> David Connors
> da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363
> Telegram: https://t.me/davidconnors
> LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
>
>
>
> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 19:20, Tom P  wrote:
>
>> Yes as an individual contractor so I did find it very odd. I’ve asked
>> for a reason so let’s see what they come back with.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Tom
>>
>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 19:06, David Connors  wrote:
>>
>>> If you're doing this as an individual contractor on a work for hire
>>> / hourly basis then this is pretty strange.
>>>
>>> Even as a company, we almost always decline disclosure of financial
>>> information on the basis that we're privately held and send whoever is
>>> asking a letter of solvency from our tax accountants instead (they just
>>> want to know we're not going to go bust - but that's a very strange
>>> consideration if you're an individual contractor).
>>>
>>> David Connors
>>> da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363
>>> Telegram: https://t.me/davidconnors
>>> LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 18:32, Tom P  wrote:
>>>
 Hi folks

 For the experienced contractors here who may know...

 I am in the process of starting a new contract and the recruitment
 agent has requested access to my credit file (via WorkPro). Is this 
 normal?
 I’ve only had one contract in the past and the credit check was not 
 done
 AFAIK.

 My credit file is clean so that’s not an issue but it contains
 sensitive information such as my credit card limits, etc, so I’m 
 hesitant
 to release it unless absolutely necessary.

 Any info would be appreciated.

 Cheers
 Tom

>>> --
 Thanks
 Tom

>>> --
>> Thanks

Re: [OT] Credit check for new contract

[Tom P]

If not recruiters, where do you start looking for work? Personally I’ve
found it very difficult to find work but obviously many factors are
involved.

Cheers
Tom


On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 21:25, Tony Wright  wrote:

> Yea I get that. That's why I said it depends who's at the other end. Tbh
> I'm pretty sick of recruiters. They are a dime a dozen. I think at one
> stage about 20% of my linked list was recruiters. My thinking was that I
> might need them one day. But I have culled them significantly, down to a
> few remaining agents that I believe add value. I don't often start with
> recruiters when I'm looking for work, they take too much of a cut for
> adding very little value.
>
> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021, 9:17 pm DotNet Dude,  wrote:
>
>> Hey Tony,
>>
>> Tom’s original question was about the recruiter asking for this info
>> which is quite different from the bank you’re working for. Financial
>> institutions do ask for the things you mention but I’d be suspicious and
>> hesitant to pass info like that to a silly old recruiter.
>>
>> I’ve never been comfortable with systems like WorkPro, particularly with
>> credit files, which they let you just download as a PDF so the recruiter
>> can easily forward. Not cool at all.
>>
>> The whole recruitment model and the systems they use really needs a
>> revamp to protect user privacy and security. I’m not convinced they are
>> secure.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 20:33, Tony Wright  wrote:
>>
>>> Really? At the bank I have had sign over a right for them to receive
>>> every contact note for any shares I buy or sell. I also have to submit
>>> requests to buy or sell shares. That's an Apra requirement. I'm also not
>>> allowed to have directorships in more than one company, and it has to be an
>>> approved directorship. So it really does depend on who it is and what it
>>> means to you. A credit check to ensure that you aren't susceptible to
>>> bribery might be reasonable too depending on who it is. If it's some random
>>> numpty, sure, tell them to get stuffed, but some places really do need
>>> extra checks on their staff.
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021, 8:25 pm David Connors,  wrote:
>>>
 Personally, I'd decline given the circumstances you've described. It
 would be like asking for this information from an employee and
 inappropriate if not probably illegal in the context of an FTE.

 David Connors
 da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363
 Telegram: https://t.me/davidconnors
 LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors



 On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 19:20, Tom P  wrote:

> Yes as an individual contractor so I did find it very odd. I’ve asked
> for a reason so let’s see what they come back with.
>
> Cheers
> Tom
>
> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 19:06, David Connors  wrote:
>
>> If you're doing this as an individual contractor on a work for hire /
>> hourly basis then this is pretty strange.
>>
>> Even as a company, we almost always decline disclosure of financial
>> information on the basis that we're privately held and send whoever is
>> asking a letter of solvency from our tax accountants instead (they just
>> want to know we're not going to go bust - but that's a very strange
>> consideration if you're an individual contractor).
>>
>> David Connors
>> da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363
>> Telegram: https://t.me/davidconnors
>> LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 18:32, Tom P  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks
>>>
>>> For the experienced contractors here who may know...
>>>
>>> I am in the process of starting a new contract and the recruitment
>>> agent has requested access to my credit file (via WorkPro). Is this 
>>> normal?
>>> I’ve only had one contract in the past and the credit check was not done
>>> AFAIK.
>>>
>>> My credit file is clean so that’s not an issue but it contains
>>> sensitive information such as my credit card limits, etc, so I’m 
>>> hesitant
>>> to release it unless absolutely necessary.
>>>
>>> Any info would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Tom
>>>
>> --
>>> Thanks
>>> Tom
>>>
>> --
> Thanks
> Tom
>
 --
Thanks
Tom

Re: [OT] Credit check for new contract

[Tony Wright]

Yea I get that. That's why I said it depends who's at the other end. Tbh
I'm pretty sick of recruiters. They are a dime a dozen. I think at one
stage about 20% of my linked list was recruiters. My thinking was that I
might need them one day. But I have culled them significantly, down to a
few remaining agents that I believe add value. I don't often start with
recruiters when I'm looking for work, they take too much of a cut for
adding very little value.

On Wed, 2 Jun 2021, 9:17 pm DotNet Dude,  wrote:

> Hey Tony,
>
> Tom’s original question was about the recruiter asking for this info which
> is quite different from the bank you’re working for. Financial institutions
> do ask for the things you mention but I’d be suspicious and hesitant to
> pass info like that to a silly old recruiter.
>
> I’ve never been comfortable with systems like WorkPro, particularly with
> credit files, which they let you just download as a PDF so the recruiter
> can easily forward. Not cool at all.
>
> The whole recruitment model and the systems they use really needs a revamp
> to protect user privacy and security. I’m not convinced they are secure.
>
>
> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 20:33, Tony Wright  wrote:
>
>> Really? At the bank I have had sign over a right for them to receive
>> every contact note for any shares I buy or sell. I also have to submit
>> requests to buy or sell shares. That's an Apra requirement. I'm also not
>> allowed to have directorships in more than one company, and it has to be an
>> approved directorship. So it really does depend on who it is and what it
>> means to you. A credit check to ensure that you aren't susceptible to
>> bribery might be reasonable too depending on who it is. If it's some random
>> numpty, sure, tell them to get stuffed, but some places really do need
>> extra checks on their staff.
>>
>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021, 8:25 pm David Connors,  wrote:
>>
>>> Personally, I'd decline given the circumstances you've described. It
>>> would be like asking for this information from an employee and
>>> inappropriate if not probably illegal in the context of an FTE.
>>>
>>> David Connors
>>> da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363
>>> Telegram: https://t.me/davidconnors
>>> LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 19:20, Tom P  wrote:
>>>
 Yes as an individual contractor so I did find it very odd. I’ve asked
 for a reason so let’s see what they come back with.

 Cheers
 Tom

 On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 19:06, David Connors  wrote:

> If you're doing this as an individual contractor on a work for hire /
> hourly basis then this is pretty strange.
>
> Even as a company, we almost always decline disclosure of financial
> information on the basis that we're privately held and send whoever is
> asking a letter of solvency from our tax accountants instead (they just
> want to know we're not going to go bust - but that's a very strange
> consideration if you're an individual contractor).
>
> David Connors
> da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363
> Telegram: https://t.me/davidconnors
> LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
>
>
>
> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 18:32, Tom P  wrote:
>
>> Hi folks
>>
>> For the experienced contractors here who may know...
>>
>> I am in the process of starting a new contract and the recruitment
>> agent has requested access to my credit file (via WorkPro). Is this 
>> normal?
>> I’ve only had one contract in the past and the credit check was not done
>> AFAIK.
>>
>> My credit file is clean so that’s not an issue but it contains
>> sensitive information such as my credit card limits, etc, so I’m hesitant
>> to release it unless absolutely necessary.
>>
>> Any info would be appreciated.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Tom
>>
> --
>> Thanks
>> Tom
>>
> --
 Thanks
 Tom

>>>

Re: [OT] Credit check for new contract

[DotNet Dude]

Hey Tony,

Tom’s original question was about the recruiter asking for this info which
is quite different from the bank you’re working for. Financial institutions
do ask for the things you mention but I’d be suspicious and hesitant to
pass info like that to a silly old recruiter.

I’ve never been comfortable with systems like WorkPro, particularly with
credit files, which they let you just download as a PDF so the recruiter
can easily forward. Not cool at all.

The whole recruitment model and the systems they use really needs a revamp
to protect user privacy and security. I’m not convinced they are secure.


On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 20:33, Tony Wright  wrote:

> Really? At the bank I have had sign over a right for them to receive every
> contact note for any shares I buy or sell. I also have to submit requests
> to buy or sell shares. That's an Apra requirement. I'm also not allowed to
> have directorships in more than one company, and it has to be an approved
> directorship. So it really does depend on who it is and what it means to
> you. A credit check to ensure that you aren't susceptible to bribery might
> be reasonable too depending on who it is. If it's some random numpty, sure,
> tell them to get stuffed, but some places really do need extra checks on
> their staff.
>
> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021, 8:25 pm David Connors,  wrote:
>
>> Personally, I'd decline given the circumstances you've described. It
>> would be like asking for this information from an employee and
>> inappropriate if not probably illegal in the context of an FTE.
>>
>> David Connors
>> da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363
>> Telegram: https://t.me/davidconnors
>> LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 19:20, Tom P  wrote:
>>
>>> Yes as an individual contractor so I did find it very odd. I’ve asked
>>> for a reason so let’s see what they come back with.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 19:06, David Connors  wrote:
>>>
 If you're doing this as an individual contractor on a work for hire /
 hourly basis then this is pretty strange.

 Even as a company, we almost always decline disclosure of financial
 information on the basis that we're privately held and send whoever is
 asking a letter of solvency from our tax accountants instead (they just
 want to know we're not going to go bust - but that's a very strange
 consideration if you're an individual contractor).

 David Connors
 da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363
 Telegram: https://t.me/davidconnors
 LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors



 On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 18:32, Tom P  wrote:

> Hi folks
>
> For the experienced contractors here who may know...
>
> I am in the process of starting a new contract and the recruitment
> agent has requested access to my credit file (via WorkPro). Is this 
> normal?
> I’ve only had one contract in the past and the credit check was not done
> AFAIK.
>
> My credit file is clean so that’s not an issue but it contains
> sensitive information such as my credit card limits, etc, so I’m hesitant
> to release it unless absolutely necessary.
>
> Any info would be appreciated.
>
> Cheers
> Tom
>
 --
> Thanks
> Tom
>
 --
>>> Thanks
>>> Tom
>>>
>>

Re: [OT] Credit check for new contract

[Tony Wright]

Really? At the bank I have had sign over a right for them to receive every
contact note for any shares I buy or sell. I also have to submit requests
to buy or sell shares. That's an Apra requirement. I'm also not allowed to
have directorships in more than one company, and it has to be an approved
directorship. So it really does depend on who it is and what it means to
you. A credit check to ensure that you aren't susceptible to bribery might
be reasonable too depending on who it is. If it's some random numpty, sure,
tell them to get stuffed, but some places really do need extra checks on
their staff.

On Wed, 2 Jun 2021, 8:25 pm David Connors,  wrote:

> Personally, I'd decline given the circumstances you've described. It would
> be like asking for this information from an employee and inappropriate if
> not probably illegal in the context of an FTE.
>
> David Connors
> da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363
> Telegram: https://t.me/davidconnors
> LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
>
>
>
> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 19:20, Tom P  wrote:
>
>> Yes as an individual contractor so I did find it very odd. I’ve asked for
>> a reason so let’s see what they come back with.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Tom
>>
>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 19:06, David Connors  wrote:
>>
>>> If you're doing this as an individual contractor on a work for hire /
>>> hourly basis then this is pretty strange.
>>>
>>> Even as a company, we almost always decline disclosure of financial
>>> information on the basis that we're privately held and send whoever is
>>> asking a letter of solvency from our tax accountants instead (they just
>>> want to know we're not going to go bust - but that's a very strange
>>> consideration if you're an individual contractor).
>>>
>>> David Connors
>>> da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363
>>> Telegram: https://t.me/davidconnors
>>> LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 18:32, Tom P  wrote:
>>>
 Hi folks

 For the experienced contractors here who may know...

 I am in the process of starting a new contract and the recruitment
 agent has requested access to my credit file (via WorkPro). Is this normal?
 I’ve only had one contract in the past and the credit check was not done
 AFAIK.

 My credit file is clean so that’s not an issue but it contains
 sensitive information such as my credit card limits, etc, so I’m hesitant
 to release it unless absolutely necessary.

 Any info would be appreciated.

 Cheers
 Tom

>>> --
 Thanks
 Tom

>>> --
>> Thanks
>> Tom
>>
>

Re: [OT] Credit check for new contract

[David Connors]

Personally, I'd decline given the circumstances you've described. It would
be like asking for this information from an employee and inappropriate if
not probably illegal in the context of an FTE.

David Connors
da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363
Telegram: https://t.me/davidconnors
LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors



On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 19:20, Tom P  wrote:

> Yes as an individual contractor so I did find it very odd. I’ve asked for
> a reason so let’s see what they come back with.
>
> Cheers
> Tom
>
> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 19:06, David Connors  wrote:
>
>> If you're doing this as an individual contractor on a work for hire /
>> hourly basis then this is pretty strange.
>>
>> Even as a company, we almost always decline disclosure of financial
>> information on the basis that we're privately held and send whoever is
>> asking a letter of solvency from our tax accountants instead (they just
>> want to know we're not going to go bust - but that's a very strange
>> consideration if you're an individual contractor).
>>
>> David Connors
>> da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363
>> Telegram: https://t.me/davidconnors
>> LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 18:32, Tom P  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks
>>>
>>> For the experienced contractors here who may know...
>>>
>>> I am in the process of starting a new contract and the recruitment agent
>>> has requested access to my credit file (via WorkPro). Is this normal? I’ve
>>> only had one contract in the past and the credit check was not done AFAIK.
>>>
>>> My credit file is clean so that’s not an issue but it contains sensitive
>>> information such as my credit card limits, etc, so I’m hesitant to release
>>> it unless absolutely necessary.
>>>
>>> Any info would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Tom
>>>
>> --
>>> Thanks
>>> Tom
>>>
>> --
> Thanks
> Tom
>

Re: [OT] Credit check for new contract

[Tom P]

Yes as an individual contractor so I did find it very odd. I’ve asked for a
reason so let’s see what they come back with.

Cheers
Tom

On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 19:06, David Connors  wrote:

> If you're doing this as an individual contractor on a work for hire /
> hourly basis then this is pretty strange.
>
> Even as a company, we almost always decline disclosure of financial
> information on the basis that we're privately held and send whoever is
> asking a letter of solvency from our tax accountants instead (they just
> want to know we're not going to go bust - but that's a very strange
> consideration if you're an individual contractor).
>
> David Connors
> da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363
> Telegram: https://t.me/davidconnors
> LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
>
>
>
> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 18:32, Tom P  wrote:
>
>> Hi folks
>>
>> For the experienced contractors here who may know...
>>
>> I am in the process of starting a new contract and the recruitment agent
>> has requested access to my credit file (via WorkPro). Is this normal? I’ve
>> only had one contract in the past and the credit check was not done AFAIK.
>>
>> My credit file is clean so that’s not an issue but it contains sensitive
>> information such as my credit card limits, etc, so I’m hesitant to release
>> it unless absolutely necessary.
>>
>> Any info would be appreciated.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Tom
>>
> --
>> Thanks
>> Tom
>>
> --
Thanks
Tom

Re: [OT] Credit check for new contract

[David Connors]

If you're doing this as an individual contractor on a work for hire /
hourly basis then this is pretty strange.

Even as a company, we almost always decline disclosure of financial
information on the basis that we're privately held and send whoever is
asking a letter of solvency from our tax accountants instead (they just
want to know we're not going to go bust - but that's a very strange
consideration if you're an individual contractor).

David Connors
da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363
Telegram: https://t.me/davidconnors
LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors



On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 18:32, Tom P  wrote:

> Hi folks
>
> For the experienced contractors here who may know...
>
> I am in the process of starting a new contract and the recruitment agent
> has requested access to my credit file (via WorkPro). Is this normal? I’ve
> only had one contract in the past and the credit check was not done AFAIK.
>
> My credit file is clean so that’s not an issue but it contains sensitive
> information such as my credit card limits, etc, so I’m hesitant to release
> it unless absolutely necessary.
>
> Any info would be appreciated.
>
> Cheers
> Tom
> --
> Thanks
> Tom
>

Re: [OT] Credit check for new contract

[Tony Wright]

Hmm. It does seem a bit odd, but they might be concerned about fraud if
you're handling significant financial transactions.

I work for a bank and they never asked me for that.

But if I was asked, I'd probably supply it if I wanted the job. Depends on
who they are I guess.

On Wed, 2 Jun 2021, 6:33 pm Tom P,  wrote:

> Hi folks
>
> For the experienced contractors here who may know...
>
> I am in the process of starting a new contract and the recruitment agent
> has requested access to my credit file (via WorkPro). Is this normal? I’ve
> only had one contract in the past and the credit check was not done AFAIK.
>
> My credit file is clean so that’s not an issue but it contains sensitive
> information such as my credit card limits, etc, so I’m hesitant to release
> it unless absolutely necessary.
>
> Any info would be appreciated.
>
> Cheers
> Tom
> --
> Thanks
> Tom
>

[OT] Credit check for new contract

[Tom P]

Hi folks

For the experienced contractors here who may know...

I am in the process of starting a new contract and the recruitment agent
has requested access to my credit file (via WorkPro). Is this normal? I’ve
only had one contract in the past and the credit check was not done AFAIK.

My credit file is clean so that’s not an issue but it contains sensitive
information such as my credit card limits, etc, so I’m hesitant to release
it unless absolutely necessary.

Any info would be appreciated.

Cheers
Tom
-- 
Thanks
Tom