Re: SP Designer 2013 Workflows
Is developing custom workflow actions for SPD Workflows a viable/good option? Haven't done much at all, but this like the way to add more complex but reusable options to SPD wf's Sent from my iPhone On Apr 23, 2013, at 3:49 PM, Mark Daunt mda...@datacogs.com wrote: Yeah, I hear you. SPD is only viable for really simple workflows. As soon as there is any level of complexity I have found it almost unworkable and pretty much a waste of time. In SPD 2010 it was not even easy to do a string comparison that was not case sensitive! There seems to always be little brick walls like that. Why is Visual Studio not an option for you? Mark From: Web Admin web.ad...@syd.catholic.edu.au Reply-To: ozMOSS ozmoss@ozmoss.com Date: Tuesday, 23 April 2013 3:32 PM To: ozMOSS ozmoss@ozmoss.com Subject: Re: SP Designer 2013 Workflows I wish I had that option. :) I'm having a world of trouble trying to publish them as the complexity builds with Email and Task and actions. Only solution is to strip them back and delete associated xsn before re-publishing. On 23 April 2013 15:25, Mark Daunt mda...@datacogs.com wrote: A bit. Enough to still avoid them like the plague. No debugging is a real show stopper for me. I find time spent troubleshooting those suckers is better spent doing it properly in Visual Studio. I like the new ability to create workflow in stand alone apps in VS2012 and deploy without having to add code to the server (no dlls in GAC etc, its all declarative like SPD but you can debug). That's where I'll be spending most of my workflow development time. From: Web Admin web.ad...@syd.catholic.edu.au Reply-To: ozMOSS ozmoss@ozmoss.com Date: Tuesday, 23 April 2013 3:15 PM To: ozMOSS ozmoss@ozmoss.com Subject: SP Designer 2013 Workflows Anyone else had a chance to tinker with workflows in SPD 2013? Regards, Paul ___ ozmoss mailing list ozmoss@ozmoss.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozmoss ___ ozmoss mailing list ozmoss@ozmoss.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozmoss ___ ozmoss mailing list ozmoss@ozmoss.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozmoss ___ ozmoss mailing list ozmoss@ozmoss.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozmoss
Re: SP Designer 2013 Workflows
Yeah, that can work in some situations. But requires binaries deployed to the server, so really more of a 2010 thing, and not viable for office 365. In Spd 2013 workflow there is a new action to call a web service so that could be really useful instead of custom actions. Mark On 23/04/2013, at 7:46 PM, Nigel Witherdin nigel_wither...@hotmail.commailto:nigel_wither...@hotmail.com wrote: Is developing custom workflow actions for SPD Workflows a viable/good option? Haven't done much at all, but this like the way to add more complex but reusable options to SPD wf's Sent from my iPhone On Apr 23, 2013, at 3:49 PM, Mark Daunt mda...@datacogs.commailto:mda...@datacogs.com wrote: Yeah, I hear you. SPD is only viable for really simple workflows. As soon as there is any level of complexity I have found it almost unworkable and pretty much a waste of time. In SPD 2010 it was not even easy to do a string comparison that was not case sensitive! There seems to always be little brick walls like that. Why is Visual Studio not an option for you? Mark From: Web Admin web.ad...@syd.catholic.edu.aumailto:web.ad...@syd.catholic.edu.au Reply-To: ozMOSS ozmoss@ozmoss.commailto:ozmoss@ozmoss.com Date: Tuesday, 23 April 2013 3:32 PM To: ozMOSS ozmoss@ozmoss.commailto:ozmoss@ozmoss.com Subject: Re: SP Designer 2013 Workflows I wish I had that option. :) I'm having a world of trouble trying to publish them as the complexity builds with Email and Task and actions. Only solution is to strip them back and delete associated xsn before re-publishing. On 23 April 2013 15:25, Mark Daunt mda...@datacogs.commailto:mda...@datacogs.com wrote: A bit. Enough to still avoid them like the plague. No debugging is a real show stopper for me. I find time spent troubleshooting those suckers is better spent doing it properly in Visual Studio. I like the new ability to create workflow in stand alone apps in VS2012 and deploy without having to add code to the server (no dlls in GAC etc, its all declarative like SPD but you can debug). That's where I'll be spending most of my workflow development time. From: Web Admin web.ad...@syd.catholic.edu.aumailto:web.ad...@syd.catholic.edu.au Reply-To: ozMOSS ozmoss@ozmoss.commailto:ozmoss@ozmoss.com Date: Tuesday, 23 April 2013 3:15 PM To: ozMOSS ozmoss@ozmoss.commailto:ozmoss@ozmoss.com Subject: SP Designer 2013 Workflows Anyone else had a chance to tinker with workflows in SPD 2013? Regards, Paul ___ ozmoss mailing list ozmoss@ozmoss.commailto:ozmoss@ozmoss.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozmoss ___ ozmoss mailing list ozmoss@ozmoss.commailto:ozmoss@ozmoss.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozmoss ___ ozmoss mailing list ozmoss@ozmoss.commailto:ozmoss@ozmoss.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozmoss ___ ozmoss mailing list ozmoss@ozmoss.commailto:ozmoss@ozmoss.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozmoss ___ ozmoss mailing list ozmoss@ozmoss.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozmoss
Re: SP Designer 2013 Workflows
Hi Paul, Yeah I've been going with the 2010 workflows and no Visio. Was looking at installing Workflow Manager but not sure if the SP2013 Office 365 client will support that yet. Things are looking desperately limited on that front, especially with regards to public sites. :\ Regards, Paul On 23 April 2013 15:37, Paul Turner paul.tur...@smsmt.com wrote: Yeah I have done a lot. There is a new Visio designer that fully integrates into SPD and the shapes have all the properties available to set in the visual designer. Remembering also that there are 2 options: SharePoint 2010 workflow SharePoint 2013 workflow ß Requires Workflow Manager and Services Bus You cannot convert from 2010 to 2013 automatically, they are completely different. Regards *Paul Turner* *Practice Lead - SharePoint* *SMS Management Technology* * **M 0412 748 168* *paul.tur...@smsmt.com* paul.tur...@smsmt.com* ** **www.smsmt.com* http://www.smsmt.com/* * *About SMS: Level 29, Westpac House, 91 King William Street, Adelaide SA 5000** **SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest publicly listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and transform business through Consulting, Technology and Systems Integration* * * *[image: btn_viewmy_160x33]* http://au.linkedin.com/in/paulturnerau** * * *P** **please consider the environment before printing this email*** *From:* ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com [mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] *On Behalf Of *Web Admin *Sent:* Tuesday, 23 April 2013 3:02 PM *To:* ozMOSS *Subject:* Re: SP Designer 2013 Workflows I wish I had that option. :) I'm having a world of trouble trying to publish them as the complexity builds with Email and Task and actions. Only solution is to strip them back and delete associated xsn before re-publishing. On 23 April 2013 15:25, Mark Daunt mda...@datacogs.com wrote: A bit. Enough to still avoid them like the plague. No debugging is a real show stopper for me. I find time spent troubleshooting those suckers is better spent doing it properly in Visual Studio. I like the new ability to create workflow in stand alone apps in VS2012 and deploy without having to add code to the server (no dlls in GAC etc, its all declarative like SPD but you can debug). That's where I'll be spending most of my workflow development time. *From: *Web Admin web.ad...@syd.catholic.edu.au *Reply-To: *ozMOSS ozmoss@ozmoss.com *Date: *Tuesday, 23 April 2013 3:15 PM *To: *ozMOSS ozmoss@ozmoss.com *Subject: *SP Designer 2013 Workflows Anyone else had a chance to tinker with workflows in SPD 2013? Regards, Paul ___ ozmoss mailing list ozmoss@ozmoss.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozmoss NOTICE - This communication is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking any action in reliance on, this communication by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies and telephone SMS Management Technology on 1300 842 767 immediately. Any views expressed in this Communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of SMS Management Technology. Except as required by law, SMS Management Technology does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free from errors, virus, interception or interference. ___ ozmoss mailing list ozmoss@ozmoss.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozmoss image001.png___ ozmoss mailing list ozmoss@ozmoss.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozmoss
RE: SP Designer 2013 Workflows
Yep, if you use 365 for SharePoint you are very restricted and you can't even create sub-sites on public sites in the UI (only in SPD, at least on my tenant anyway). Regards Paul Turner Practice Lead - SharePoint SMS Management Technology M 0412 748 168 paul.tur...@smsmt.commailto:paul.tur...@smsmt.com www.smsmt.comhttp://www.smsmt.com/ About SMS: Level 29, Westpac House, 91 King William Street, Adelaide SA 5000 SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest publicly listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and transform business through Consulting, Technology and Systems Integration [btn_viewmy_160x33]http://au.linkedin.com/in/paulturnerau P please consider the environment before printing this email From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com [mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Web Admin Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2013 7:36 AM To: ozMOSS Subject: Re: SP Designer 2013 Workflows Hi Paul, Yeah I've been going with the 2010 workflows and no Visio. Was looking at installing Workflow Manager but not sure if the SP2013 Office 365 client will support that yet. Things are looking desperately limited on that front, especially with regards to public sites. :\ Regards, Paul On 23 April 2013 15:37, Paul Turner paul.tur...@smsmt.commailto:paul.tur...@smsmt.com wrote: Yeah I have done a lot. There is a new Visio designer that fully integrates into SPD and the shapes have all the properties available to set in the visual designer. Remembering also that there are 2 options: SharePoint 2010 workflow SharePoint 2013 workflow -- Requires Workflow Manager and Services Bus You cannot convert from 2010 to 2013 automatically, they are completely different. Regards Paul Turner Practice Lead - SharePoint SMS Management Technology M 0412 748 168 paul.tur...@smsmt.commailto:paul.tur...@smsmt.com www.smsmt.comhttp://www.smsmt.com/ About SMS: Level 29, Westpac House, 91 King William Street, Adelaide SA 5000 SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest publicly listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and transform business through Consulting, Technology and Systems Integration [btn_viewmy_160x33]http://au.linkedin.com/in/paulturnerau P please consider the environment before printing this email From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.commailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com [mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.commailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Web Admin Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2013 3:02 PM To: ozMOSS Subject: Re: SP Designer 2013 Workflows I wish I had that option. :) I'm having a world of trouble trying to publish them as the complexity builds with Email and Task and actions. Only solution is to strip them back and delete associated xsn before re-publishing. On 23 April 2013 15:25, Mark Daunt mda...@datacogs.commailto:mda...@datacogs.com wrote: A bit. Enough to still avoid them like the plague. No debugging is a real show stopper for me. I find time spent troubleshooting those suckers is better spent doing it properly in Visual Studio. I like the new ability to create workflow in stand alone apps in VS2012 and deploy without having to add code to the server (no dlls in GAC etc, its all declarative like SPD but you can debug). That's where I'll be spending most of my workflow development time. From: Web Admin web.ad...@syd.catholic.edu.aumailto:web.ad...@syd.catholic.edu.au Reply-To: ozMOSS ozmoss@ozmoss.commailto:ozmoss@ozmoss.com Date: Tuesday, 23 April 2013 3:15 PM To: ozMOSS ozmoss@ozmoss.commailto:ozmoss@ozmoss.com Subject: SP Designer 2013 Workflows Anyone else had a chance to tinker with workflows in SPD 2013? Regards, Paul ___ ozmoss mailing list ozmoss@ozmoss.commailto:ozmoss@ozmoss.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozmoss NOTICE - This communication is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking any action in reliance on, this communication by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies and telephone SMS Management Technology on 1300 842 767 immediately. Any views expressed in this Communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of SMS Management Technology. Except as required by law, SMS Management Technology does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free from errors, virus, interception or interference. ___ ozmoss mailing list ozmoss@ozmoss.commailto:ozmoss@ozmoss.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozmoss inline:
Re: SP Designer 2013 Workflows
Yup. Crazy. We're having to do nutty stuff with the page library and
folders to create a pseudo hierarchy.
And don't get me started on the workaround for anonymous viewing of list
items cause you can't disable the ViewFormPagesLockDown feature. :{
AND there's no facility to send an email OOTB.
No surprise people are moving to Google sites in droves.
On 24 April 2013 10:22, Paul Turner paul.tur...@smsmt.com wrote:
Yep, if you use 365 for SharePoint you are very restricted and you can’t
even create sub-sites on public sites in the UI (only in SPD, at least on
my tenant anyway).
** **
** **
Regards
*Paul Turner*
*Practice Lead - SharePoint*
*SMS Management Technology*
*
**M 0412 748 168*
*paul.tur...@smsmt.com* paul.tur...@smsmt.com* **
**www.smsmt.com* http://www.smsmt.com/* *
*About SMS: Level 29, Westpac House, 91 King William Street, Adelaide SA
5000**
**SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest
publicly listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and
transform business through Consulting, Technology and Systems Integration*
* *
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*From:* ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com [mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] *On
Behalf Of *Web Admin
*Sent:* Wednesday, 24 April 2013 7:36 AM
*To:* ozMOSS
*Subject:* Re: SP Designer 2013 Workflows
** **
Hi Paul,
** **
Yeah I've been going with the 2010 workflows and no Visio. Was looking at
installing Workflow Manager but not sure if the SP2013 Office 365 client
will support that yet. Things are looking desperately limited on that
front, especially with regards to public sites. :\
Regards,
** **
Paul
** **
On 23 April 2013 15:37, Paul Turner paul.tur...@smsmt.com wrote:
Yeah I have done a lot. There is a new Visio designer that fully
integrates into SPD and the shapes have all the properties available to set
in the visual designer. Remembering also that there are 2 options:
SharePoint 2010 workflow
SharePoint 2013 workflow ß Requires Workflow Manager and Services Bus
You cannot convert from 2010 to 2013 automatically, they are completely
different.
Regards
*Paul Turner*
*Practice Lead - SharePoint*
*SMS Management Technology*
*
**M 0412 748 168*
*paul.tur...@smsmt.com* paul.tur...@smsmt.com* **
**www.smsmt.com* http://www.smsmt.com/* *
*About SMS: Level 29, Westpac House, 91 King William Street, Adelaide SA
5000**
**SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest
publicly listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and
transform business through Consulting, Technology and Systems Integration*
* *
*[image: btn_viewmy_160x33]* http://au.linkedin.com/in/paulturnerau
* *
*P** **please consider the environment before printing this email*
*From:* ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com [mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] *On
Behalf Of *Web Admin
*Sent:* Tuesday, 23 April 2013 3:02 PM
*To:* ozMOSS
*Subject:* Re: SP Designer 2013 Workflows
I wish I had that option. :)
I'm having a world of trouble trying to publish them as the complexity
builds with Email and Task and actions. Only solution is to strip them back
and delete associated xsn before re-publishing.
On 23 April 2013 15:25, Mark Daunt mda...@datacogs.com wrote:
A bit. Enough to still avoid them like the plague. No debugging is a
real show stopper for me. I find time spent troubleshooting those suckers
is better spent doing it properly in Visual Studio. I like the new ability
to create workflow in stand alone apps in VS2012 and deploy without having
to add code to the server (no dlls in GAC etc, its all declarative like SPD
but you can debug). That's where I'll be spending most of my workflow
development time.
*From: *Web Admin web.ad...@syd.catholic.edu.au
*Reply-To: *ozMOSS ozmoss@ozmoss.com
*Date: *Tuesday, 23 April 2013 3:15 PM
*To: *ozMOSS ozmoss@ozmoss.com
*Subject: *SP Designer 2013 Workflows
Anyone else had a chance to tinker with workflows in SPD 2013?
Regards,
Paul
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RE: SP Designer 2013 Workflows
I managed to create some lists types not there by installing saved list
templates then creating them by typing the URL manually :) Was quite impressed
I got it working that far. I was quite happy with the functionality until I
found you cannot download documents anon only open them in office web apps with
still no option to download them. The solution from Ms was to use skydrive!.
From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com [mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of
Web Admin
Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2013 10:19 AM
To: ozMOSS
Subject: Re: SP Designer 2013 Workflows
Yup. Crazy. We're having to do nutty stuff with the page library and folders to
create a pseudo hierarchy.
And don't get me started on the workaround for anonymous viewing of list items
cause you can't disable the ViewFormPagesLockDown feature. :{
AND there's no facility to send an email OOTB.
No surprise people are moving to Google sites in droves.
On 24 April 2013 10:22, Paul Turner
paul.tur...@smsmt.commailto:paul.tur...@smsmt.com wrote:
Yep, if you use 365 for SharePoint you are very restricted and you can't even
create sub-sites on public sites in the UI (only in SPD, at least on my tenant
anyway).
Regards
Paul Turner
Practice Lead - SharePoint
SMS Management Technology
M 0412 748 168
paul.tur...@smsmt.commailto:paul.tur...@smsmt.com
www.smsmt.comhttp://www.smsmt.com/
About SMS: Level 29, Westpac House, 91 King William Street, Adelaide SA 5000
SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest publicly
listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and transform
business through Consulting, Technology and Systems Integration
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From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.commailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com
[mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.commailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf
Of Web Admin
Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2013 7:36 AM
To: ozMOSS
Subject: Re: SP Designer 2013 Workflows
Hi Paul,
Yeah I've been going with the 2010 workflows and no Visio. Was looking at
installing Workflow Manager but not sure if the SP2013 Office 365 client will
support that yet. Things are looking desperately limited on that front,
especially with regards to public sites. :\
Regards,
Paul
On 23 April 2013 15:37, Paul Turner
paul.tur...@smsmt.commailto:paul.tur...@smsmt.com wrote:
Yeah I have done a lot. There is a new Visio designer that fully integrates
into SPD and the shapes have all the properties available to set in the visual
designer. Remembering also that there are 2 options:
SharePoint 2010 workflow
SharePoint 2013 workflow -- Requires Workflow Manager and Services Bus
You cannot convert from 2010 to 2013 automatically, they are completely
different.
Regards
Paul Turner
Practice Lead - SharePoint
SMS Management Technology
M 0412 748 168
paul.tur...@smsmt.commailto:paul.tur...@smsmt.com
www.smsmt.comhttp://www.smsmt.com/
About SMS: Level 29, Westpac House, 91 King William Street, Adelaide SA 5000
SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest publicly
listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and transform
business through Consulting, Technology and Systems Integration
[btn_viewmy_160x33]http://au.linkedin.com/in/paulturnerau
P please consider the environment before printing this email
From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.commailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com
[mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.commailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf
Of Web Admin
Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2013 3:02 PM
To: ozMOSS
Subject: Re: SP Designer 2013 Workflows
I wish I had that option. :)
I'm having a world of trouble trying to publish them as the complexity builds
with Email and Task and actions. Only solution is to strip them back and delete
associated xsn before re-publishing.
On 23 April 2013 15:25, Mark Daunt
mda...@datacogs.commailto:mda...@datacogs.com wrote:
A bit. Enough to still avoid them like the plague. No debugging is a real
show stopper for me. I find time spent troubleshooting those suckers is better
spent doing it properly in Visual Studio. I like the new ability to create
workflow in stand alone apps in VS2012 and deploy without having to add code to
the server (no dlls in GAC etc, its all declarative like SPD but you can
debug). That's where I'll be spending most of my workflow development time.
From: Web Admin
web.ad...@syd.catholic.edu.aumailto:web.ad...@syd.catholic.edu.au
Reply-To: ozMOSS ozmoss@ozmoss.commailto:ozmoss@ozmoss.com
Date: Tuesday, 23 April 2013 3:15 PM
To: ozMOSS ozmoss@ozmoss.commailto:ozmoss@ozmoss.com
Subject: SP Designer 2013 Workflows
Anyone else had a chance to tinker with workflows in SPD 2013?
Regards,
Paul
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