RE: Sketchflow for ASP.Net
Who says that the mock-up technology needs to be the same as the implementation technology. That would be like saying using PowerPoint for a mock-up is in appropriate because it isn't based on WPF/Silverlight/HTML/Flash whatever. Regards Mitch Denny Readify | Chief Technology Officer Suite 408 Life.Lab Building | 198 Harbour Esplanade | Docklands | VIC 3008 | Australia M: +61 414 610 141 | E: mitch.de...@readify.netmailto:mitch.de...@readify.net | W: www.readify.nethttp://www.readify.net/ From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Mark Sent: Wednesday, 28 April 2010 1:46 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Sketchflow for ASP.Net We have a Silverlight application and the boss likes using SketchFlow to mock up stuff. We are now looking at writing an ASP.Net app and he wants to know if he can use SketchFlow to create the mock pages. I've not looked into it, but AFAIK it's XAML only so whilst he can create pages for demo, we can't reuse for our web pages. Is that correct? Is there another tool? I'd hope to use ASP.net MVC framework if that makes a difference. Cheers Mark ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
RE: Sketchflow for ASP.Net
The reality is most mockup tools either don't produce target platform code (Balsamiq) or produced relatively useless target platform code (Axure). If you have Sketchflow skills already then I'd consider sticking with it. One thing that will annoy you though is that sketchflow doesn't inherently allow for scrolling web 'pages'. If you don't have existing Sketchflow skills you need to consider that these 'rich' prototyping tools (Sketchflow and Catalyst) have pro's and con's: - Con: harder to learn and less productive than lightweight tools like Balsamiq - Pro: Able to take prototypes to a much richer level of interactivity (and fidelity) - giving them an advantage for really rich UIs (like you'd design for WPF or Silverlight.) Shane Shane Morris | http://www.automaticstudio.com.au/ Automatic Studio | mailto:sh...@automaticstudio.com.au sh...@automaticstudio.com.au | +61 438 818 888 From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Denny Sent: Wednesday, 28 April 2010 4:02 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: RE: Sketchflow for ASP.Net Who says that the mock-up technology needs to be the same as the implementation technology. That would be like saying using PowerPoint for a mock-up is in appropriate because it isn't based on WPF/Silverlight/HTML/Flash whatever. Regards Mitch Denny Readify | Chief Technology Officer Suite 408 Life.Lab Building | 198 Harbour Esplanade | Docklands | VIC 3008 | Australia M: +61 414 610 141 | E: mailto:mitch.de...@readify.net mitch.de...@readify.net | W: http://www.readify.net/ www.readify.net From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Mark Sent: Wednesday, 28 April 2010 1:46 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Sketchflow for ASP.Net We have a Silverlight application and the boss likes using SketchFlow to mock up stuff. We are now looking at writing an ASP.Net app and he wants to know if he can use SketchFlow to create the mock pages. I've not looked into it, but AFAIK it's XAML only so whilst he can create pages for demo, we can't reuse for our web pages. Is that correct? Is there another tool? I'd hope to use ASP.net MVC framework if that makes a difference. Cheers Mark ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
RE: Impediments to upgrading / WCF RIA Services
Hi Philip, Thanks for the response. Unfortunately I'm working for a big company - we're still on XP. I have been pushing them to upgrade certain strategic infrastructure, but it looks like we're stuck for the moment. Regards, Tony -Original Message- From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Philip Beadle Sent: Tuesday, 27 April 2010 7:07 PM To: 'ozSilverlight' Subject: RE: Impediments to upgrading / WCF RIA Services Build a new image for your 2010 work. If you use bootable vhds it's a treat on Win 7. -Original Message- From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of ton...@tpg.com.au Sent: Tuesday, 27 April 2010 2:30 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Impediments to upgrading / WCF RIA Services Hi all, We are currently experiencing some impediments to upgrading our Silverlight application and VS2010. Firstly, we have installed VS2010, which installs WCF RIA Services for 2010. This uninstalls WCF RIA Services for 2008. The problem is that we need the 2008 version to continue to operate while we upgrade other applications. That's because it's an LOB application that is quite a substantial piece of work. We have to actually allocate time to go through the upgrade process, with no guarantee that the result will be a working application. So the result is that we have uninstalled WCF RIA 2010 and reinstalled WCF RIA 2008. But of course this means that we need to use the VS 2008 environment. So 2010 is out for us at the moment. Has anyone successfully got both WCF RIA services 2008 and 2010 running side-by-side? I did make a copy of the assemblies and then register them in the GAC after 2010 was installed, and while this made the application compile, it still failed dismally. Regards, Tony ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
RE: Impediments to upgrading / WCF RIA Services
Im loving working for DNN, we just switched everything to VS2010, TFS 2010 :) -Original Message- From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Tony Wright Sent: Wednesday, 28 April 2010 6:38 PM To: 'ozSilverlight' Subject: RE: Impediments to upgrading / WCF RIA Services Hi Philip, Thanks for the response. Unfortunately I'm working for a big company - we're still on XP. I have been pushing them to upgrade certain strategic infrastructure, but it looks like we're stuck for the moment. Regards, Tony -Original Message- From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Philip Beadle Sent: Tuesday, 27 April 2010 7:07 PM To: 'ozSilverlight' Subject: RE: Impediments to upgrading / WCF RIA Services Build a new image for your 2010 work. If you use bootable vhds it's a treat on Win 7. -Original Message- From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of ton...@tpg.com.au Sent: Tuesday, 27 April 2010 2:30 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Impediments to upgrading / WCF RIA Services Hi all, We are currently experiencing some impediments to upgrading our Silverlight application and VS2010. Firstly, we have installed VS2010, which installs WCF RIA Services for 2010. This uninstalls WCF RIA Services for 2008. The problem is that we need the 2008 version to continue to operate while we upgrade other applications. That's because it's an LOB application that is quite a substantial piece of work. We have to actually allocate time to go through the upgrade process, with no guarantee that the result will be a working application. So the result is that we have uninstalled WCF RIA 2010 and reinstalled WCF RIA 2008. But of course this means that we need to use the VS 2008 environment. So 2010 is out for us at the moment. Has anyone successfully got both WCF RIA services 2008 and 2010 running side-by-side? I did make a copy of the assemblies and then register them in the GAC after 2010 was installed, and while this made the application compile, it still failed dismally. Regards, Tony ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
RE: Impediments to upgrading / WCF RIA Services
TFS2010 and VS2010 is where real men/women code now... I just discovered Resharper 5.0 ..so combine the two and It feels like playing a game with cheat codes... TAB + DOT + ship Did you mean tab =() ship? -Original Message- From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Philip Beadle Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:10 PM To: 'ozSilverlight' Subject: RE: Impediments to upgrading / WCF RIA Services Im loving working for DNN, we just switched everything to VS2010, TFS 2010 :) -Original Message- From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Tony Wright Sent: Wednesday, 28 April 2010 6:38 PM To: 'ozSilverlight' Subject: RE: Impediments to upgrading / WCF RIA Services Hi Philip, Thanks for the response. Unfortunately I'm working for a big company - we're still on XP. I have been pushing them to upgrade certain strategic infrastructure, but it looks like we're stuck for the moment. Regards, Tony -Original Message- From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Philip Beadle Sent: Tuesday, 27 April 2010 7:07 PM To: 'ozSilverlight' Subject: RE: Impediments to upgrading / WCF RIA Services Build a new image for your 2010 work. If you use bootable vhds it's a treat on Win 7. -Original Message- From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of ton...@tpg.com.au Sent: Tuesday, 27 April 2010 2:30 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Impediments to upgrading / WCF RIA Services Hi all, We are currently experiencing some impediments to upgrading our Silverlight application and VS2010. Firstly, we have installed VS2010, which installs WCF RIA Services for 2010. This uninstalls WCF RIA Services for 2008. The problem is that we need the 2008 version to continue to operate while we upgrade other applications. That's because it's an LOB application that is quite a substantial piece of work. We have to actually allocate time to go through the upgrade process, with no guarantee that the result will be a working application. So the result is that we have uninstalled WCF RIA 2010 and reinstalled WCF RIA 2008. But of course this means that we need to use the VS 2008 environment. So 2010 is out for us at the moment. Has anyone successfully got both WCF RIA services 2008 and 2010 running side-by-side? I did make a copy of the assemblies and then register them in the GAC after 2010 was installed, and while this made the application compile, it still failed dismally. Regards, Tony ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
RE: Sketchflow for ASP.Net
:) From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of jason schluter Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:39 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: Sketchflow for ASP.Net Oh Scott, While you really should be showing this PPT to your therapist J I can see it clearly would have been great. Thankfully as a dev I just need www.silverlight.nethttp://www.silverlight.net Jason Blender3DLive From: scott.bar...@readify.net To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 02:01:01 -0700 Subject: RE: Sketchflow for ASP.Net +1 agreed. PowerPoint FTW! :) - I don't know but that seems to always be my default win when I run into a Sketchflow wall :) Attached is an example of how I've used PPT in the past for website..(it was original my idea for how we should of done Microsoft.com/Silverlight back in the day - enjoy). Scott. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Shane Morris (Automatic Studio) Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 4:20 PM To: 'ozSilverlight' Subject: RE: Sketchflow for ASP.Net The reality is most mockup tools either don't produce target platform code (Balsamiq) or produced relatively useless target platform code (Axure). If you have Sketchflow skills already then I'd consider sticking with it. One thing that will annoy you though is that sketchflow doesn't inherently allow for scrolling web 'pages'. If you don't have existing Sketchflow skills you need to consider that these 'rich' prototyping tools (Sketchflow and Catalyst) have pro's and con's: - Con: harder to learn and less productive than lightweight tools like Balsamiq - Pro: Able to take prototypes to a much richer level of interactivity (and fidelity) - giving them an advantage for really rich UIs (like you'd design for WPF or Silverlight...) Shane Shane Morris | Automatic Studiohttp://www.automaticstudio.com.au/ | sh...@automaticstudio.com.aumailto:sh...@automaticstudio.com.au | +61 438 818 888 From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Denny Sent: Wednesday, 28 April 2010 4:02 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: RE: Sketchflow for ASP.Net Who says that the mock-up technology needs to be the same as the implementation technology. That would be like saying using PowerPoint for a mock-up is in appropriate because it isn't based on WPF/Silverlight/HTML/Flash whatever. Regards Mitch Denny Readify | Chief Technology Officer Suite 408 Life.Lab Building | 198 Harbour Esplanade | Docklands | VIC 3008 | Australia M: +61 414 610 141 | E: mitch.de...@readify.netmailto:mitch.de...@readify.net | W: www.readify.nethttp://www.readify.net/ From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Mark Sent: Wednesday, 28 April 2010 1:46 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Sketchflow for ASP.Net We have a Silverlight application and the boss likes using SketchFlow to mock up stuff. We are now looking at writing an ASP.Net app and he wants to know if he can use SketchFlow to create the mock pages. I've not looked into it, but AFAIK it's XAML only so whilst he can create pages for demo, we can't reuse for our web pages. Is that correct? Is there another tool? I'd hope to use ASP.net MVC framework if that makes a difference. Cheers Mark ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
