RE: So, is Silverlight dead yet?
Hah! Yes, I should have put Mobile there. Please don't take that graph as being anything more than my way of informing this discussion that there are many different dimensions to view things through. I also left regular expressions off of that graph, which I apologize to the gods of System.Text for. Darren neimkedarren.nei...@live.com Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 16:04:00 +1000 Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet? From: p...@paulstovell.com To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com I notice Mobile is missing from your graph. What are you telling us Darren? :) On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Darren Neimke darren.nei...@live.com wrote: As I just posted on Paul's blog, maybe it's all a matter of perspective? Seems logical that within a Silverlight technical group like this that you'd focus on things down at that level of detail. From a different perspective you could easily see a lack of focus on any of these technologies? Here's the type of view I mean: http://twitpic.com/32us7s Darren neimkedarren.nei...@live.com From: m...@miguelmadero.com Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 15:34:52 +1100 Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet? To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Nice post. But I'm not sure MS is pushing that much (or even that little) for WPF internally or externally. On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Paul Stovell p...@paulstovell.com wrote: I took the liberty of graphing this: http://www.paulstovell.com/tool-for-the-job On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Stephen Price step...@littlevoices.com wrote: Wow. You mean, the right tool for the right job still applies? *feigned shocked look* I've been saying Silverlight is for Apps and HTML is for sites for ages. Nothing changed here. Should be interesting how they clarify the statement. :) On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Miguel Madero m...@miguelmadero.com wrote: I like how Shawn puts it, Silverlight is good for Apps; HTML is good for sites. That said, WPF is better for apps. So that leaves a handful of use cases for Silverlight, e.g. Web Apps, need of Mac support, easier deployment (not much different really), WP7 (which could've been just WPF for Phone), other devices (maybe?). On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Paul Stovell p...@paulstovell.com wrote: ...at least for non-phones: http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/30/rip-silverlight-on-the-web/ http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-our-strategy-with-silverlight-has-shifted/7834 http://wildermuth.com/2010/10/30/Post-PDC_HTML5_v_Silverlight_Debate Paul ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight -- Miguel A. Madero Reyes www.miguelmadero.com (blog) m...@miguelmadero.com ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight -- Paul Stovell ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight -- Miguel A. Madero Reyes www.miguelmadero.com (blog) m...@miguelmadero.com ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight -- Paul Stovell ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
RE: So, is Silverlight dead yet?
There's a couple of things here that I think are really, really sad. Firstly, a department within Microsoft comes out at an event, and they use plain English to show that they are supporting an exciting new technology. Next, a couple of groups - who make money from eyeballs - come out with inflammatory comments about what has been said. Finally, people like *you* (whomever is reading this right now) give justification to the comments made by those groups by going on about it. So in short, I don't really care who Mary Foley or TechCrunch are, or what qualifies them to publish stories with such an audacious and misleading title as: Microsoft: Our strategy with Silverlight has shiftedEvery minute and therefore money (via our eyeballs) we give to Mary and TechCrunch, is a minute that is not spent working out how to get the best out of these 2 technologiesThink about the people who are writing about this debate (debate? really?) and ask yourself what their motive is for writing in the first place Darren neimkedarren.nei...@live.com Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 10:51:38 +1000 Subject: So, is Silverlight dead yet? From: p...@paulstovell.com To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com ...at least for non-phones: http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/30/rip-silverlight-on-the-web/http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-our-strategy-with-silverlight-has-shifted/7834 http://wildermuth.com/2010/10/30/Post-PDC_HTML5_v_Silverlight_Debate Paul ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
RE: So, is Silverlight dead yet?
How do you form those opinions? I start by learning what not to listen to. Darren neimkedarren.nei...@live.com Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 13:06:24 +1000 Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet? From: p...@paulstovell.com To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Hi Darren, How do you form those opinions? Do you ignore the quote from Bob Muglia completely (what does a Microsoft VP know about anything Microsoft makes anyway?), or do you just ignore the opinion pieces over the top of it? We're in such a vendor-dominated ecosystem, I worry that regardless of what we think about the technology, it's the opinions in the market that matter most when deciding whether something is a good long-term bet. Paul On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Darren Neimke darren.nei...@live.com wrote: Thanks Scott, I haven't read all of your reply yet, but I did skim through it quickly. By the way, I knew that you'd win the award for the longest answer :-) My judgement is that, regardless of what the Win8, 9, or 10 team thinks. Regardless of what Mary, Peter and Paul think. At the end of the day, it's only my opinion that really matters to me - and I feel perfectly capable of having a clear view based on what I've seen and heard for myself. However, I do accept that there will be people - both inside and outside of Microsoft - who do feel the need to be given their opinions by the aforementioned crowd. Darren neimkedarren.nei...@live.com CC: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com From: scott.bar...@gmail.com Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet? Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 12:52:46 +1000 To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com I guess you can believe the below, clench your fists and sing in a righteous voice viva la silverlight walk away thinking all this PR and community aggravation is misguided and that the highest ranked executive aside from ballmer himself got it wrong despite being briefed on silverlight every 3 months ranging on topics from ubiquity to roadmap selection criteria. Sure I can buy that but to sit and swallow that this is all just a misguided youth getting all sugary high from some bad journalists and how blind loyalty to the Microsoft ux strategy that has yet to really be shown despite constant signs of abandonment throughout the last 2 years is now a taboo topic of choice... Yeah that I can't buy just yet. Win8 team don't want silverlight. I want it, we all on this list want it. Wpf is dead, I love working with wpf and I do so very day and think myself lucky .. But it's dead in terms of marketing and future investment.. The reality is this, right now the eyeball economy is bring used by factions internally as a beating stick on why se should or shouldn't continue to invest - I've personally seen 3 separate threads leaked with that pulse in place. Inside the teams we don't get to see data about how you all adopted it etc and so public opinion would often sway decisions ... As pathetic as that sounds. I sang loud and clear wpf is dead, journos picked up on it and ran with it. A month later the wpf team are working hard to proove my theories wrong. It's not like it's the first hey heard about it... It just finally got public momentum. As for Microsoft learning that the public can't be trusted with honesty? Hate to be the one that breaks this to all but that's the default posture held by majority of Microsoft teams.. Hence why MVP summits are often just a mix/pdc circle jerk with a different name.. Hate this all u like but this is doing a lot of good internally on silverlight vs HTML5 budget forecasts and resource allocations for the future.. Which means more toys for you all to play with if it sways to silverlights favor. There isn't an unlimited supply of engineers / marketing inside Microsoft .. Internally it cab become a zero sum game ;) --Sent from my mini iPad nano(excuse my spilling and grammar as I have giant man like fingers and this device as small keys) On 01/11/2010, at 12:27 PM, Darren Neimke darren.nei...@live.com wrote: It's worse than that. If anything, think about what *we've* effectively just told Microsoft: If you ever dare to try to tell us the truth, or give us information which is in the least bit honest, we will beat you up with a fu#$ing great big stick! Darren neimkedarren.nei...@live.com From: crai...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 13:24:34 +1100 Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet? To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com I agree. This whole Silverlight debate is a beat up over nothing. On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Darren Neimke darren.nei...@live.com wrote: There's a couple of things here that I think are really, really sad. Firstly, a department within Microsoft comes out at an event, and they use plain English to show that they are supporting an exciting new technology. Next, a couple of groups - who make money from eyeballs - come out with inflammatory comments about what has been said
RE: So, is Silverlight dead yet?
As I just posted on Paul's blog, maybe it's all a matter of perspective? Seems logical that within a Silverlight technical group like this that you'd focus on things down at that level of detail. From a different perspective you could easily see a lack of focus on any of these technologies? Here's the type of view I mean: http://twitpic.com/32us7s Darren neimkedarren.nei...@live.com From: m...@miguelmadero.com Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 15:34:52 +1100 Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet? To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Nice post. But I'm not sure MS is pushing that much (or even that little) for WPF internally or externally. On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Paul Stovell p...@paulstovell.com wrote: I took the liberty of graphing this: http://www.paulstovell.com/tool-for-the-job On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Stephen Price step...@littlevoices.com wrote: Wow. You mean, the right tool for the right job still applies? *feigned shocked look* I've been saying Silverlight is for Apps and HTML is for sites for ages. Nothing changed here. Should be interesting how they clarify the statement. :) On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Miguel Madero m...@miguelmadero.com wrote: I like how Shawn puts it, Silverlight is good for Apps; HTML is good for sites. That said, WPF is better for apps. So that leaves a handful of use cases for Silverlight, e.g. Web Apps, need of Mac support, easier deployment (not much different really), WP7 (which could've been just WPF for Phone), other devices (maybe?). On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Paul Stovell p...@paulstovell.com wrote: ...at least for non-phones: http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/30/rip-silverlight-on-the-web/ http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-our-strategy-with-silverlight-has-shifted/7834 http://wildermuth.com/2010/10/30/Post-PDC_HTML5_v_Silverlight_Debate Paul ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight -- Miguel A. Madero Reyes www.miguelmadero.com (blog) m...@miguelmadero.com ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight -- Paul Stovell ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight -- Miguel A. Madero Reyes www.miguelmadero.com (blog) m...@miguelmadero.com ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
RE: HTML5 vs WPF/SL - continued!
Just to extend yesterday's discussion about SL vs. X vs. Y... what do people on this list think about this site: http://www.projectemporia.com/ Use of Silverlight for a site like that? Good? Bad? Meh? Note that the site itself was created by teams which are internal to Microsoft: Project Emporia is an Alpha release from FUSE Labs and Microsoft Research Darren neimkedarren.nei...@live.com Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 14:01:58 +1000 Subject: Re: HTML5 vs WPF/SL - continued! From: winstonp...@gmail.com To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Good points... but I wonder, what's going to happen to smooth streaming actually, it sounds a lot like the HTTP Live Streaming standard that Apple made, which got people talking the other week when they had the ipod keynote live stream. On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Jose Fajardo jose.faja...@cynergysystems.com wrote: Eg. Let's say a lot of the really cool features of SL make it into MS's HTML5 stack... 1. Smooth Streaming ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
Re: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic
Great and gutsy email Corneliu... I agree with and fully support what you have said. Scott needs to walk away and take a good hard look. - Darren Neimke From: Corneliu Tusnea Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 9:06 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: RE: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic Sorry to tell you but I'm so sick of Scott's overly-opinionated attitude. He has(had) access to a fair bit of internal knowledge inside Microsoft that he saw through his own eyes and now he got out and he's spitting everywhere around him having no clue about the (moral) damage he does to people he used to work with ... and maybe even his friends (though I doubt he had too many). We all know there is no company that is perfect and everywhere there are communication issues and we are all people with different attitudes and different opinions and yes, sometimes we don't agree but that's why we are smart and can talk and come to agree or disagree and move on. I so much dislike his attitude and I've been there I know it all, it's doom day and all Microsoft should do the way I think cose they are all dead. I bet you he left Microsoft because someone refused repeatedly his request to move up the food/management chain in a position where he can take bigger decisions that he thinks can do .. which got him extremely frustrated :) I would not like to work with next to him in any project as I would feel the day he leaves he will turn around and spit on everyone's head. The article (just like his daily tweets that people hand on to like God's words) is yet another massive frustration throw up and I know everything attitude. Some comments are very good at exposing this. My 2 cents, (very personal opinion) Corneliu. PS I do take notes of his opinions when he stops being morally and verbally violent to the people around him and his ex-colleagues and a complete frustration declaration. This is simply called being polite to your peers. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of danlaz...@arcamis.com [danlaz...@arcamis.com] Sent: Tuesday, 14 September 2010 6:33 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic Via CodeProject 'Daily News' (14/09/2010) - http://www.riagenic.com/archives/363 Dr. Dan Lazner, PhD | Software Architect/Engineer/Developer ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
RE: Images invisible
It's all to do with the Red Queen Hypothesis... http://www.indiana.edu/~curtweb/Research/Red_Queen%20hyp.html At the top of the hill, the Red Queen begins to run, faster and faster. Alice runs after the Red Queen, but is further perplexed to find that neither one seems to be moving. When they stop running, they are in exactly the same place. Alice remarks on this, to which the Red Queen responds: Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do to keep in the same place :-) Kind Regards, Darren neimkedarren.nei...@live.com http://2010wave.blogspot.com From: g...@mira.net To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: Images invisible Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 14:18:30 +1000 You certainly find all the issues. Remind me to give you a ping if i'm ever looking for a beta tester. :p But, I’m not even trying to find issues, they just happen, continuously, unexpectedly. I don’t want any issues. I have been writing software for 30 years in COBOL, Algol, Fortran, IBM assembler, REXX, Clist, C, C++, Java, Mathematica, C#, VB6, VB.NET on ICL, Burroughs, Honeywell, Unix and Windows 3.1 to 7 and I have never had a worst experience before the arrival of XAML, Blend, Silverlight, WPF and WCF. I’m deadly serious, all you evangelists out there, all you keen demo makers and spruikers ... · I’m stuck using two major expensive and utterly different products on two screens at once (VS and Blend) to write my UI · Blend and VS produce different designer errors and compile failures on the same project · After more than 2 years of releases I’m still getting Catastrophic Error messages · The documentation is scattered everywhere (if it exists at all) for different controls and kits · I spend half my life web searching for answers to weird behaviour or incomprehensible fatal errors · I have to jump through hoops to bypass security lockdowns · The VS designer crashes 10 times a day in XAML and I have to uninstall VS plugins as an attempted cure · It takes hours to get any new control working acceptably · I spend hours tweaking weird unexpected sizing behaviour trying to get the appearance I desire · Even the Blend designer sizes weirdly · First there were too few controls, now there are too many and too many choices and I’m getting bloated with DLLs from everywhere and only using tiny bits of each of them · Writing binding code takes 20 times longer than in Winforms as all the code is pushed into converters · It takes 20 times longer to write anything in XAML compared to WinForms. One of my WPF edit screens has dozens of different data types and collections bound to it, and after a week of writing general purpose Type converters and validators I still haven’t got all of the two-way binding working acceptably. · Now all of my images have vanished. · Getting a new dev machine to compile Silverlight projects requires a nightmare of preparations · I live in constant fear that every time I boot my dev machine or open a Silverlight project that something incomprehensible will go wrong I’m fu*king fed up with Silverlight, WPF and WCF. Maybe VS2010, Framework 4 and Silverlight 4 will improve things, but I can’t migrate until a batch of releases is finalised over the coming several weeks. Oh well, back to work. Greg _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendarocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
RE: Any good books on Silverlight 3 4 and on MVVM
On the topic of good Silverlight resources, I can highly recommend the new Design Toolbox tutorials: http://www.microsoft.com/design/toolbox/school/ Easily the highest quality (and most enjoyable) way that I have found to learn about developing Silverlight solutions so far. Kind Regards, Darren neimkedarren.nei...@live.com http://2010wave.blogspot.com From: david.bur...@readify.net To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 20:49:28 -0700 Subject: RE: Any good books on Silverlight 3 4 and on MVVM I’d recommend spending the same amount of time watching the videos from Mix10http://live.visitmix.com/Videos Especially these MVVM sessionsUnderstanding the MVVM pattern http://live.visitmix.com/MIX10/Sessions/EX14Building your own MVVM framework http://live.visitmix.com/MIX10/Sessions/EX15 There are a few sites that list all of the pure Silverlight sessions, but if you scan down through them you can easily pick out which ones would be the most relevant for you-David Burela From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Vinay Tripathi Sent: Monday, 29 March 2010 2:34 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Any good books on Silverlight 3 4 and on MVVM Hi , I was just wondering if you guys got any suggestions on some good books on Silverlight 3 4 and on MVVM? Regards, Vinay Tripathi National Australia Bank Ltd - ABN 12 004 044 937 This email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately notify us at postmas...@nab.com.au or by replying to the sender, and then destroy all copies of this email. Except where this email indicates otherwise, views expressed in this email are those of the sender and not of National Australia Bank Ltd. Advice in this email does not take account of your objectives, financial situation, or needs. It is important for you to consider these matters and, if the e-mail refers to a product(s), you should read the relevant Product Disclosure Statement(s)/other disclosure document(s) before making any decisions. If you do not want email marketing from us in future, forward this email with unsubscribe in the subject line to unsubscripti...@nab.com.au in order to stop marketing emails from this sender. National Australia Bank Ltd does not represent that this email is free of errors, viruses or interference. _ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_3___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
RE: Any good books on Silverlight 3 4 and on MVVM
You've read that Jordan? What are some of the things that make this a worthwhile resource? Kind Regards, Darren neimkedarren.nei...@live.com http://2010wave.blogspot.com From: jordan.kni...@readify.net To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 21:18:07 -0700 Subject: RE: Any good books on Silverlight 3 4 and on MVVM Check out http://joshsmithonwpf.wordpress.com/advanced-mvvm/ From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Vinay Tripathi Sent: Monday, 29 March 2010 2:34 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Any good books on Silverlight 3 4 and on MVVM Hi , I was just wondering if you guys got any suggestions on some good books on Silverlight 3 4 and on MVVM? Regards, Vinay Tripathi National Australia Bank Ltd - ABN 12 004 044 937 This email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately notify us at postmas...@nab.com.au or by replying to the sender, and then destroy all copies of this email. Except where this email indicates otherwise, views expressed in this email are those of the sender and not of National Australia Bank Ltd. Advice in this email does not take account of your objectives, financial situation, or needs. It is important for you to consider these matters and, if the e-mail refers to a product(s), you should read the relevant Product Disclosure Statement(s)/other disclosure document(s) before making any decisions. If you do not want email marketing from us in future, forward this email with unsubscribe in the subject line to unsubscripti...@nab.com.au in order to stop marketing emails from this sender. National Australia Bank Ltd does not represent that this email is free of errors, viruses or interference. _ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_1___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
RE: Silverlight site.
Not really sure what we're trying to achieve with this conversation. Kind Regards, Darren neimkedarren.nei...@live.com http://2010wave.blogspot.com Subject: RE: RE: RE: Silverlight site. Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:23:59 +1000 From: ross.mckin...@michaelhill.com.au To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com I must admit, I was underwhelmed. Ross McKinnon Michael Hill Jeweller A: 7 Smallwood Place, Murrarie QLD 4172, Australia P: +61 7 31663344 M: +61 413 128877 F: +61 7 33990949 E: ross.mckin...@michaelhill.com.au From: carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au [mailto:carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au] Sent: Friday, 12 March 2010 11:19 AM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: RE: RE: Silverlight site. I’d go even further than that. I’ve never worked for Microsoft so I don’t have a feel for the internal political struggles. My comments are purely as a developer. History tells us one of Microsoft’s greatest strengths lies in the creation and support of developer communities. From the dawn of (MS) time with Geekfest, throughout the monkey-boy Balmer days and until today, Microsoft’s mantra has been “developers developers developers developers developers...”. The developer community now has a life of it’s own, yet remains a cornerstone of Microsoft’s success. And Microsoft continues to innovate such that the community grows stronger, broader, and can react quicker than any other developer community. It’s an amazing thing to be a part of. Given all that, it is such a fantastic shame that Microsoft can’t get it together (and put the icing on the cake) as far as their developer product websites go. Somehow during the design of these sites, the message seems to become lost that developers are wonderful craftsmen and women with an insatiable desire for technical detail. It’s the ultimate let-down that we can’t point to a Microsoft showcase site and say “this is what it’s all about”; instead we are ignore these dungheap sites Microsoft deploy every now and again and focus back inwards to our communities a little embarrassed by it all. I’m a proud Microsoft developer and I do love the company. But websites like this take a little bit of the shine off my pride when I know it could be just that much better. Hopefully this hasn’t been the ramblings of old hand. I will continue to love the company, and hope for the day I can come out as such. My opinions are my own yadda yadda yadda, Carl. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes scott.bar...@readify.net Sent: Thursday, 11 March 2010 11:50 PM To: ozSilverlight ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: RE: RE: Silverlight site. My vote is to fold mscom/expression and mscom/silverlight into Silverlight.NET Tim is touching only the tip of the iceberg, as having 4 sites all talking about the same thing is just counter-productive and it kind of makes me chuckle a bit as given the problem of XAML was to ensure both sides of the isle (developer - designer) collaborate. Yet the first thing Microsoft does is segregate the audiences? J It retards the potential for skill pollination (teach devs to design, and devs teach design to code etc) and if anything all it really does is bolster internal political and egos within (currently 4 factions duking it out over ownership rights :D) Now the stark reality is most sites in Microsoft only follow a typical quantitative analysis for their given sites, which is essentially a popularity contest in terms of traffic. Yet, the closer i looked at the data the more I saw nobody was really doing a qualitative analysis as had they done that, they'd see about 80% of the sites are actually utter failures and are offering zero value to their consumer base J ..as long as the graphs keep ascending to the upper right, it's no questions asked... Silverlight.NET is really the only site that has value, the rest are just mediocrity being celebrated out loud. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Tim Heuer Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 1:40 AM To: ozSilverlight Subject: RE: RE: RE: Silverlight site. Welcome to the world of MSFT ;-0 Microsof.com/product are usually ‘marketing’ sites – displaying decision-maker information and case studies, etc. Silverlight.net serves as a developer community resources: forums, learning resources, samples, etc. -- *for developers* -th Tim Heuer | +1 (602) 405-4567 | Microsoft Silverlight blog: http://timheuer.com/blog/ | twitter: @timheuer From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Vishwanath Humpy Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 11:28 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: RE: RE: Silverlight site. What is the story with
RE: Silverlight site.
Look, I appreciate the passion that is shown by the people on the list, and if a side effect of taking this indirect route to giving feedback is that it does affect some small change then that's great. Personally I think that the creative energy and enthusiasm could be used for better purposes. And after all, we are talking about the Microsoft Corporate Marketing site after all... I mean if you really wanted to criticise... where to start! :-)Kind Regards, Darren neimkedarren.nei...@live.com http://2010wave.blogspot.com Kind Regards, Darren neimkedarren.nei...@live.com http://2010wave.blogspot.com Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:29:09 +1100 Subject: Re: Silverlight site. From: jonathanparkerem...@gmail.com To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Maybe change? The download progress has changed from the default to Loading Silverlight Experience since yesterday. On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Darren Neimke darren.nei...@live.com wrote: Not really sure what we're trying to achieve with this conversation. Kind Regards, Darren Neimke darren.nei...@live.com http://2010wave.blogspot.com Subject: RE: RE: RE: Silverlight site. Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:23:59 +1000 From: ross.mckin...@michaelhill.com.au To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com I must admit, I was underwhelmed. Ross McKinnon Michael Hill Jeweller A: 7 Smallwood Place, Murrarie QLD 4172, Australia P: +61 7 31663344 M: +61 413 128877 F: +61 7 33990949 E: ross.mckin...@michaelhill.com.au From: carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au [mailto:carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au] Sent: Friday, 12 March 2010 11:19 AM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: RE: RE: Silverlight site. I’d go even further than that. I’ve never worked for Microsoft so I don’t have a feel for the internal political struggles. My comments are purely as a developer. History tells us one of Microsoft’s greatest strengths lies in the creation and support of developer communities. From the dawn of (MS) time with Geekfest, throughout the monkey-boy Balmer days and until today, Microsoft’s mantra has been “developers developers developers developers developers...”. The developer community now has a life of it’s own, yet remains a cornerstone of Microsoft’s success. And Microsoft continues to innovate such that the community grows stronger, broader, and can react quicker than any other developer community. It’s an amazing thing to be a part of. Given all that, it is such a fantastic shame that Microsoft can’t get it together (and put the icing on the cake) as far as their developer product websites go. Somehow during the design of these sites, the message seems to become lost that developers are wonderful craftsmen and women with an insatiable desire for technical detail. It’s the ultimate let-down that we can’t point to a Microsoft showcase site and say “this is what it’s all about”; instead we are ignore these dungheap sites Microsoft deploy every now and again and focus back inwards to our communities a little embarrassed by it all. I’m a proud Microsoft developer and I do love the company. But websites like this take a little bit of the shine off my pride when I know it could be just that much better. Hopefully this hasn’t been the ramblings of old hand. I will continue to love the company, and hope for the day I can come out as such. My opinions are my own yadda yadda yadda, Carl. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes scott.bar...@readify.net Sent: Thursday, 11 March 2010 11:50 PM To: ozSilverlight ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: RE: RE: Silverlight site. My vote is to fold mscom/expression and mscom/silverlight into Silverlight.NET Tim is touching only the tip of the iceberg, as having 4 sites all talking about the same thing is just counter-productive and it kind of makes me chuckle a bit as given the problem of XAML was to ensure both sides of the isle (developer - designer) collaborate. Yet the first thing Microsoft does is segregate the audiences? J It retards the potential for skill pollination (teach devs to design, and devs teach design to code etc) and if anything all it really does is bolster internal political and egos within (currently 4 factions duking it out over ownership rights :D) Now the stark reality is most sites in Microsoft only follow a typical quantitative analysis for their given sites, which is essentially a popularity contest in terms of traffic. Yet, the closer i looked at the data the more I saw nobody was really doing a qualitative analysis as had they done that, they'd see about 80% of the sites are actually utter failures and are offering zero value to their consumer base J ..as long as the graphs keep ascending to the upper right, it's no questions asked... Silverlight.NET is really
RE: ozsilverlight Digest, Vol 6, Issue 4
Maybe you should tell them that tweeting is the new blogging That was my view last year; I tweeted a couple of thousand tweets and didn't post a single blog entry... looking back though I regret that decision. This year I am back to blogging (and tweeting) again. Kind Regards, Darren Neimke darren.nei...@live.com http:// 2010wave.blogspot.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 11:24:03 +1100 Subject: Re: ozsilverlight Digest, Vol 6, Issue 4 From: winstonp...@gmail.com To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Maybe you should tell them that tweeting is the new blogging. Or maybe you can aggregate all your tweets and just paste it in a post and post that haha. _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
RE: sketchflow styles
I wonder why those need to be DynamicResource's? Is that just because that's
Blend's view of the world?
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Darren Neimke
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 02:24:32 +
To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
Subject: Re: sketchflow styles
From: vhu...@rediffmail.com
I understand now. It is nothing special. Just the fontfamily and fontsize is
inhereted from parent panel.
I created a new style very easily by copying one of the others from
SketchStyles.xaml.
This can be done I suppose for any UI element that doesn't have a default
sketch style :
Style x:Key=BasicListView-Sketch TargetType={x:Type ListView}
d:StyleDefaultContent=Basic Text
Setter Property=FontFamily Value={DynamicResource
FontFamily-Sketch}/
Setter Property=FontSize Value=16/
Setter Property=Foreground Value={DynamicResource
BaseForeground-Sketch}/
/Style
On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 06:47:18 +0530 wrote
I am doing a sketchflow prototypes and blend is now my friend since the good
advice the other day. Wpf but I dont think that matters much.
I put a listview inside a tabcontrol / tabitem and the listview seems to
automatically inheret the sketchflow style from the tab or something. It
automatically using the sketchflow font etc for both the column header and
cells.
I put a listview on other screen without a tabcontrol in the same sketchflow
project it doesn't automatically have the sketchflow style.
I like it works automatically as this saves me from creating a style and looks
strange as default style when everything else is sketch.
I tested and if I put a tabcontrol / item around the other listview it has the
sketch style.
I wonder how / why this happens in a tabcontrol / tabitem and I wonder how I
can do it without a tabcontrol?
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RE: Our new silverlight site
And why would/should they want to know. I just want my music! For example, I could care less what technology this site uses: http://listen.grooveshark.com/ It could just as easily be built using any one of several technologies. It's the user experience (how they've implemented it) that is impressive. Kind Regards, Darren Neimke darren.nei...@live.com From: jordan.kni...@readify.net To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 10:23:19 +1100 Subject: RE: Our new silverlight site I find mum and dad users don't even know what tech they are using. Do you have flash installed?. What?. Can you play youtube videos? From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Shane Morris Sent: Wednesday, 2 December 2009 8:48 AM To: ozSilverlight Subject: RE: Our new silverlight site I don’t find that sad. Average users should not have to think about whether something is Flash or Silverlight. We think the technology is cool, users should just think the site is cool. Hopefully users today don’t say ‘nice PHP web site’? J Shane Shane Morris | User Experience Evangelist | Microsoft Australia | shan...@microsoft.com | blogs.msdn.com/shanemo From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Winston Pang Sent: Wednesday, 2 December 2009 7:51 AM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: Re: Our new silverlight site One thing I find sad about all this stuff is, the average user is going to say Nice Flash website. :( On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:10 AM, Miguel Madero m...@miguelmadero.com wrote: I just noticed that you integrated 3 videos with the deep zoom. It looks cool. On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:59 AM, Miguel Madero m...@miguelmadero.com wrote: Wow that's nice :) On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:30 PM, rjemp...@gmail.com wrote: The company history page is another interesting use of deep zoom : http://www.michaelhill.com.au/#CompanyHistory Click the pause button to skip the video On 01/12/2009 10:45am, Miguel Madero m...@miguelmadero.com wrote: Thanks for sharing. What do you mean by Application lifetime objects / client side services? It's nice the way you use deepzoom. Altough I was thinking I could zoom in out of the products and then I noticed that it was mainly to preload. That's nice. It would be good to know a bit more on some topics, for example security, how you used deep zoom, SEO and analytics. I agree with most of the comments around navigation, slot transitions and movies. It's some valuable feedback. Miguel. On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Tatham Oddie tat...@oddie.com.au wrote: Sounds like some really cool technical work you’ve done! From an interaction perspective, Nick’s response correlates with Twitter as well: Thanks, Tatham Oddie au mob: +61 414 275 989, us cell: +1 213 422 7068, skype: tathamoddie, landline: +61 2 8011 3982, fax: +61 2 9475 5172 my business: tixi.com.au – Ticketing without the dramas From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph Sent: Tuesday, 1 December 2009 10:55 AM To: ozSilverlight Subject: RE: Our new silverlight site Ross Since as you said this was a bit of a “cheap marketing email” I’m going to retaliate by providing what I hope will be constructive criticism: - I hate menus that disappear! The way the menus disappear completely makes the site hard to use. I flipped windows whilst the site was loading (sorry short attention span) and when I came back the menus had already gone – took me a while to find them. - The site’s infuriatingly slow – all the ui transitions are too slow for my liking. - There are some positioning issues whereby the close icon is half cut off by the edge of the screen - When you go into looking at one of the products (http://www.michaelhill.com/#ProductList?ProductMenuItemId=8ProductMenuSubItemId=ParentScreenId=3) it’s then not clear where to go from there. General feedback – visually it’s quite pleasing. Navigation leaves quite a bit to be desired. Nick Randolph | Built To Roam | Microsoft MVP - Device Application Development | +61 412 413 425 The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built To Roam does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views
RE: Installing Silverlight
Hi Tim, apparently the list moderator (whomever that is) rejected the images that I forwarded to the list - so I've emailed them directly to you. As mentioned, the issue with not being able to install Silverlight is possibly related to my use of Firefox and NoScript (maybe). I would suggest that you guys do some testing around this scenario as the NoScript plugin has (at the time of writing) 56+ million downloads. I have no problem reproducing this behavior on any of my machines that run this configuration (which is all of them). To see how the workflow should work, try viewing a page which has a Flash plugin and see how that interaction works - e.g.: I can simply click on the Flash NoScript block image and it will immediately allow the Flash movie to start playing. Kind Regards, Darren Neimke darren.nei...@live.com From: darren.nei...@live.com To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: Installing Silverlight Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:35:05 +1030 I will, just watching some Stargate. I suspect that it *could* have something to do with the fact that I run: * Firefox as my browser * NoScript Not sure about that... just guessing for now... back to Stargate Kind Regards, Darren Neimke darren.nei...@live.com mob: 0439 855 046 From: Tim Heuer Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:05 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: RE: Installing Silverlight Feel free to send directly to me timhe...@microsoft.com ? I may be sporadic in my reply as I?m traveling at TechEd Europe and in between presenting/booth/etc. -th Tim Heuer | (602) 405-4567 | Microsoft Silverlight blog: http://timheuer.com/blog/ | twitter: @timheuer From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Darren Neimke Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:16 AM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: Installing Silverlight I've forwarded a screenshot of the error message to this list but it is currently in the hands of the moderator... apparently. Kind Regards, Darren Neimke darren.nei...@live.com mob: 0439 855 046 From: Tim Heuer Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:36 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: RE: Installing Silverlight What is the failure message ID and error say? -th Tim Heuer | (602) 405-4567 | Microsoft Silverlight blog: http://timheuer.com/blog/ | twitter: @timheuer From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Darren Neimke Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:02 AM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Installing Silverlight I've been reluctant to ask this but... does anybody else have trouble installing Silverlight? I do. I don't have any of the Silverlight dev bits installed, so I'm coming at it as a user... if I try to view this page for example: http://blogs.msdn.com/stevecla01/archive/2009/11/09/sql-azure-sql-server-playing-together.aspx I download the exe, I unblock the download file, Run as Administrator... and it fails. Kind Regards, Darren Neimke darren.nei...@live.com mob: 0439 855 046 ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ attachment: Emoticon1.gif___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
RE: websitespark
Excellent initiative. This is a massive step towards cleaning up software licensing issues. As a budding MicroISV, this means that I can easily gain access to the tools that I need to develop and manage my software solutions. I'd like to learn more about the DotNetPanel control panel and I'd like to know why this wasn't linked to Azure in any way. Kind Regards, Darren Neimke darren.nei...@live.com From: jor...@microsoft.com To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: websitespark Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 01:03:02 + As per http://blogs.technet.com/jorke/archive/2009/09/24/announcing-websitespark-in-australia.aspx I would love to hear your comments. (apologies if duplicated) I am VERY excited to announce the launch of a new *SPARK program at Microsoft for Australia; WebSiteSpark you’ll see that the gu has already post about this. WebSiteSpark is aimed specifically at those who are developing in the web platform and we’re giving them a jumpstart to get started on the Microsoft Platform. The Australian launch of WebSiteSpark will be on the 8th of October at Web Directions South – Hope to see you there! So very simply, here are the Gets and Gives: What to we give you? Software licenses that you can use for three years AT NO COST. Once enrolled, you can download and immediately use the following software from Microsoft: •3 licenses of Visual Studio 2008 Professional Edition •1 license of Expression Studio 3 (which includes Expression Blend, Sketchflow, and Web) •2 licenses of Expression Web 3 •4 processor licenses of Windows Web Server 2008 R2 •4 processor licenses of SQL Server 2008 Web Edition •DotNetPanel control panel (enabling easy remote/hosted management of your servers) The Windows Server and SQL Server licenses can be used for both development and production deployment. You can either self-host the servers on your own, or use the licenses with a hoster. WebsiteSpark makes it easy to find hosters who are also enrolled in the program, and who can use your licenses to provide you with either dedicated or virtual dedicated servers to host your sites on. In addition to software, WebsiteSpark provides partner opportunities to grow and build your business through referrals and product support training. Who can get WebSiteSpark? This is really simple: 1.Your company builds web sites and web application on behalf of others. 2.Your company currently has less than 10 employees. If you meet these requirements you can sign up today. As part of the enrollment process you can pick a network referral partner such as a hoster or enter a code that you have received at an event or from a Microsoftie. Once you have that code you can enrol and start downloading the software – If you’re in Australia you can send an email to me: jor...@microsoft.com and i’ll hook you up – otherwise websp...@microsoft.com . After 3 years? You have no obligation to continue using the software just a $100 fee for the use of the program. By this time we hope you would have made a decision on whether you’re happy to continue to work with Microsoft and be part of the Microsoft Partner Network. What’s happening in Australia? The official launch of WebSiteSpark in Australia will be at Web Directions South on the 8th of October and from the start we’ve partnered with two of Australia’s best hosting companies to provide the network services, Melbourne IT (under WebCentral) and Westnet – you’ll see more information around these guys as they give WebSiteSpark participants special offers. So as you can see this is an AWESOME initiative – and I’m very excited to be a part of this. If you have any questions / comments – please email me: jor...@microsoft.com – follow me on twitter: @jorke and follow the @websitespark twitter account. you’ll see some press releases going out today all about this :) - jorke Jorke Odolphi | Web Platform Architect Evangelist | http://blogs.technet.com/jorke Microsoft Australia | e: jor...@microsoft.com | im: jodol...@hotmail.com| twitter.com/jorke +61 2 8817 9126 | +61 488717714 _ Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try Bing™ now http://www.bing.com?form=MFEHPGpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MFEHPG_Core_tagline_try bing_1x1attachment: Picture (Device Independent Bitmap) 1.jpg___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
Re: Launch my new Silverlight newcloudapp
Very very cool John. Where's the voting link? Kind Regards, Darren Neimke darren.nei...@live.com mob: 0439 855 046 From: John OBrien Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 3:00 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Launch my new Silverlight newcloudapp If anyone is interested my Traffic in the cloud Silverlight (2 L ) app just launched: http://tc.soulsolutions.com.au/ It provides a geo / deepzoom interface on public traffic cameras throughout the world. Windows Azure makes sets of frames into a sprite (as suggested by Jose at remix) so you get a little bit of history / animation on each camera. You can sign in (liveID) and add your own. I've added a bunch from Sydney, Brisbane and Seattle. Full post here with source code snippets (DeepEarth): http://soulsolutions.com.au/traffic And please vote for me if you like it! John. Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists
RE: Silverlight 3 to be released July 10
To help keep this conversation focussed on the theme of the list... One of the things that I do like about what you are doing Scott is that you are asking your customers about what they want; you do seem to be listening. For me, MS has become a top-down behemoth that too often seems not to listen. If they did bother to ask - and listen - more often, there's probably some chance that Bing would have more Silverlight in it. Kind Regards, Darren Neimke darren.nei...@live.com Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 21:21:18 -0700 From: scbar...@microsoft.com Subject: RE: Silverlight 3 to be released July 10 To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Silverlight puts the Bling in Bing J From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Steven Berry Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 9:10 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: Silverlight 3 to be released July 10 Wow from Wave to Bing to Silverlight 3, its all happening… Good old RIA bashing…. Lol, just a passing phase, think next gen RIA in Bing will be Silverlight, don’t think they prepped the code in Silverlight prior to Bing release, being a search engine I think the use of Flash or Silverlight can and cant be used in a good way, but either way, whats presented to the user whether Silverlight or Flash doesn’t really matter does it? As long as its usable (But then again the old HD video war who got in first brings back memories. H264). From: Nick Hodge [mailto:nho...@microsoft.com] Sent: Tuesday, 2 June 2009 1:28 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: Silverlight 3 to be released July 10 Also note that much of the video on the web is in the proprietary flv format … which is opaque to Silverlight Thankfully, H.264 is coming on youtube + Silverlight 3 … oh, oops, don’t mention the war. From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Tuesday, 2 June 2009 1:19 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: Silverlight 3 to be released July 10 Oh, wait... Bing is not totally without Silverlight goodness. Found some Silverlight islands on the page. Ok, I'm happier now. :) It's hard to find them though... Oh, I think its because its only on the US page. Australia page doesn't have them.(yet) On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Craig Dunn craig.d...@gmail.com wrote: The 'map', graph and grid are Flash too :-( http://www.bing.com/travel/flight/flexibleTravel?datelimit2=2009-06-01depDate2=06/02/2009passengers2=1view=mapdepPort=PDXdestPort=ORDmapsubmitBtn2.x=12mapsubmitBtn2.y=14 (link courtesy of @shanselman) On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Scott Barnes scbar...@microsoft.com wrote: Which video playback ? i.e. the “videos” section is based on what site who owns it nominates. For us to go in an hijack these and play them inside Silverlight well there’s a whole set of legal pain that we’d rather avoid. From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 6:57 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: Silverlight 3 to be released July 10 While we are on the subject of new releases, I draw your attention to the new Microsoft search site, Bing.com. I'm a little surprised that Silverlight is not being used for video playback, rather Flash. They could have put code in there to check if you have Silverlight and fall back to Flash rather than just use Flash exclusively? Come on! We want Silverlight! :) comments? is this sending the wrong message out? I can totally understand Silverlight is not everywhere yet but what a perfect opportunity to get it everywhere. Give them an option to go with Silverlight and if they say no, then fall back to Flash. cheers, Stephen p.s. Insert soapbox/ tags above as appropriate. :) On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Tim Heuer timhe...@microsoft.com wrote: No you didn't (at least that's my opinion)...but the interwebs are clogged with people agreeing with one person that there is a comparison. I suspect people actually didn't read his article but rather just the titilating headline. I agree that Silverlight could be a client to the wave protocol/communication platform at some point. -th tim heuer | (602) 405-4567 | im: t...@timheuer.com blog: http://timheuer.com/blog/ | twitter: @timheuer From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes [scbar...@microsoft.com] Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 5:48 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: Silverlight 3 to be released July 10 I don’t understand why people are comparing the two? Google Wave = Protocol, client is just the “default” skin if you will. Developers will always game companies like Microsoft, Google, Apple etc if the said solution is popular. Providing a shared
