Re: motif keyboard? Burnaware 6
Never heard of that keyboard. What makes you think I use one please? Does this have anything to do with Burnaware Version 6? I still need the link for it please if you have it. Elizabeth At 01:46 AM 5/26/2014, you wrote: no, wondering if you used a motif keyboard
Re: Bose Soundlink 3
Well it's too bad some people are like that. I don't think audiophiles would like surround sound. Someone told me once that when you add more speakers to the mix with surround sound, there is some loss of quality. Heck, I even used to use a graphics equalizer with one piece of equipment I had, but when I bought surround sound, the equalizer made things sound distored, so I quit using it. Audiophiles don't like graphic equalizers. - Original Message - From: Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3 I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. People make fun of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be Bose joke, and hell, I've even seen death threats. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3 As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a Bose system or product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but that's nice to say their products are cheap, nasty and rubbish because that just isn't the case. The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very good to deal with, or it is here at any rate. I've been able to try before I buy the products I have in my own home, there was one product I didn't like and I told Bose so after the trial, they made arrangements to pick the product up from me and I was given a refund of the purchase price, no questions asked. I had a problem with my Bose Soundlink Air and a pickup of the old and delivery of the new replacement was arranged, again no questions asked, no hitches etc, I just had to identify who I was. On 25 May 2014, at 4:08 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: I guess people say that you get what you pay for, and maybe it's worth it. - Original Message - From: Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:25 PM Subject: Bose Soundlink 3 I wonder if anybody on list owns this speaker from Bose. It costs $300. I saw one briefly last evening at the Verizon store, as I was purchasing my new iPhone and was pretty impressed with the sound, given the size of the box. I really haven't looked all that much in to this sort of speaker. I have an older dock that works with the older style iPhone connectors, and it really sounds pretty good, but my better half has sort of taken it over for use in his class-room. So I'd like to know from those who have experienced this equipment, what did you think, and are there other units you'd recommend as good competition? I like the size and the volume and depth of sound, but am not thrilled with the $300 price tag, naturally. Mary ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: Bose Soundlink 3
I may even try to make a soundbar using three Infinity beta speakers end for end, and use the other two speakers as rear speakers, as I do now. - Original Message - From: Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3 I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. People make fun of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be Bose joke, and hell, I've even seen death threats. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3 As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a Bose system or product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but that's nice to say their products are cheap, nasty and rubbish because that just isn't the case. The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very good to deal with, or it is here at any rate. I've been able to try before I buy the products I have in my own home, there was one product I didn't like and I told Bose so after the trial, they made arrangements to pick the product up from me and I was given a refund of the purchase price, no questions asked. I had a problem with my Bose Soundlink Air and a pickup of the old and delivery of the new replacement was arranged, again no questions asked, no hitches etc, I just had to identify who I was. On 25 May 2014, at 4:08 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: I guess people say that you get what you pay for, and maybe it's worth it. - Original Message - From: Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:25 PM Subject: Bose Soundlink 3 I wonder if anybody on list owns this speaker from Bose. It costs $300. I saw one briefly last evening at the Verizon store, as I was purchasing my new iPhone and was pretty impressed with the sound, given the size of the box. I really haven't looked all that much in to this sort of speaker. I have an older dock that works with the older style iPhone connectors, and it really sounds pretty good, but my better half has sort of taken it over for use in his class-room. So I'd like to know from those who have experienced this equipment, what did you think, and are there other units you'd recommend as good competition? I like the size and the volume and depth of sound, but am not thrilled with the $300 price tag, naturally. Mary ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: Bose Soundlink 3
You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point. Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening, you're better off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo speakers for doing things like that and here's their point, for the cost of a surround-sound system you can buy better sound stereo amp and speakers. In short, surround-sound is for entertaining and enjoyable listening. On 26 May 2014, at 4:52 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: Well it's too bad some people are like that. I don't think audiophiles would like surround sound. Someone told me once that when you add more speakers to the mix with surround sound, there is some loss of quality. Heck, I even used to use a graphics equalizer with one piece of equipment I had, but when I bought surround sound, the equalizer made things sound distored, so I quit using it. Audiophiles don't like graphic equalizers. - Original Message - From: Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3 I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. People make fun of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be Bose joke, and hell, I've even seen death threats. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3 As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a Bose system or product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but that's nice to say their products are cheap, nasty and rubbish because that just isn't the case. The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very good to deal with, or it is here at any rate. I've been able to try before I buy the products I have in my own home, there was one product I didn't like and I told Bose so after the trial, they made arrangements to pick the product up from me and I was given a refund of the purchase price, no questions asked. I had a problem with my Bose Soundlink Air and a pickup of the old and delivery of the new replacement was arranged, again no questions asked, no hitches etc, I just had to identify who I was. On 25 May 2014, at 4:08 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: I guess people say that you get what you pay for, and maybe it's worth it. - Original Message - From: Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:25 PM Subject: Bose Soundlink 3 I wonder if anybody on list owns this speaker from Bose. It costs $300. I saw one briefly last evening at the Verizon store, as I was purchasing my new iPhone and was pretty impressed with the sound, given the size of the box. I really haven't looked all that much in to this sort of speaker. I have an older dock that works with the older style iPhone connectors, and it really sounds pretty good, but my better half has sort of taken it over for use in his class-room. So I'd like to know from those who have experienced this equipment, what did you think, and are there other units you'd recommend as good competition? I like the size and the volume and depth of sound, but am not thrilled with the $300 price tag, naturally. Mary ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: Bose Soundlink 3
I think there's a little more involved in a Soundbar than an assembly of speakers in certain positions, the Bose Soundbar I have uses some DSP effects and I'm sure they all do to an extent. On 26 May 2014, at 4:55 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: I may even try to make a soundbar using three Infinity beta speakers end for end, and use the other two speakers as rear speakers, as I do now. - Original Message - From: Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3 I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. People make fun of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be Bose joke, and hell, I've even seen death threats. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3 As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a Bose system or product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but that's nice to say their products are cheap, nasty and rubbish because that just isn't the case. The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very good to deal with, or it is here at any rate. I've been able to try before I buy the products I have in my own home, there was one product I didn't like and I told Bose so after the trial, they made arrangements to pick the product up from me and I was given a refund of the purchase price, no questions asked. I had a problem with my Bose Soundlink Air and a pickup of the old and delivery of the new replacement was arranged, again no questions asked, no hitches etc, I just had to identify who I was. On 25 May 2014, at 4:08 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: I guess people say that you get what you pay for, and maybe it's worth it. - Original Message - From: Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:25 PM Subject: Bose Soundlink 3 I wonder if anybody on list owns this speaker from Bose. It costs $300. I saw one briefly last evening at the Verizon store, as I was purchasing my new iPhone and was pretty impressed with the sound, given the size of the box. I really haven't looked all that much in to this sort of speaker. I have an older dock that works with the older style iPhone connectors, and it really sounds pretty good, but my better half has sort of taken it over for use in his class-room. So I'd like to know from those who have experienced this equipment, what did you think, and are there other units you'd recommend as good competition? I like the size and the volume and depth of sound, but am not thrilled with the $300 price tag, naturally. Mary ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: motif keyboard? Burnaware 6
sorry, thought I was on the motif list, but your message came from the audio list, sorry about this, and I have the burn aware, I'll upload it to my ftp - Original Message - From: Elizabeth thot...@earthlink.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 1:05 AM Subject: Re: motif keyboard? Burnaware 6 Never heard of that keyboard. What makes you think I use one please? Does this have anything to do with Burnaware Version 6? I still need the link for it please if you have it. Elizabeth At 01:46 AM 5/26/2014, you wrote: no, wondering if you used a motif keyboard
Re: motif keyboard? Burnaware 6
Thanks. At 03:09 AM 5/26/2014, you wrote: sorry, thought I was on the motif list, but your message came from the audio list, sorry about this, and I have the burn aware, I'll upload it to my ftp
listen to music in surrround sound
Hi this is Brian Sackrider and it is a matter of prefference on how to listen to music if you listen toyour music in stereo or in surround sound that is your prefference. I used to have a pioneer surround sound system it was the htp 55 and I did like to listen to music in surround sound I liked the concert hall effect and all of the seperation and the acoostic effects. in my opinion that is the only to listen to music in full surround sound you just can't get that kind of sound from stereo speakers iI do like to hear good stereo speakers but there is no compearason to listening to music in surroundsound. On 5/26/2014 2:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point. Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening, you're better off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo speakers for doing things like that and here's their point, for the cost of a surround-sound system you can buy better sound stereo amp and speakers. In short, surround-sound is for entertaining and enjoyable listening. On 26 May 2014, at 4:52 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: Well it's too bad some people are like that. I don't think audiophiles would like surround sound. Someone told me once that when you add more speakers to the mix with surround sound, there is some loss of quality. Heck, I even used to use a graphics equalizer with one piece of equipment I had, but when I bought surround sound, the equalizer made things sound distored, so I quit using it. Audiophiles don't like graphic equalizers. - Original Message - From: Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3 I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. People make fun of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be Bose joke, and hell, I've even seen death threats. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3 As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a Bose system or product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but that's nice to say their products are cheap, nasty and rubbish because that just isn't the case. The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very good to deal with, or it is here at any rate. I've been able to try before I buy the products I have in my own home, there was one product I didn't like and I told Bose so after the trial, they made arrangements to pick the product up from me and I was given a refund of the purchase price, no questions asked. I had a problem with my Bose Soundlink Air and a pickup of the old and delivery of the new replacement was arranged, again no questions asked, no hitches etc, I just had to identify who I was. On 25 May 2014, at 4:08 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: I guess people say that you get what you pay for, and maybe it's worth it. - Original Message - From: Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:25 PM Subject: Bose Soundlink 3 I wonder if anybody on list owns this speaker from Bose. It costs $300. I saw one briefly last evening at the Verizon store, as I was purchasing my new iPhone and was pretty impressed with the sound, given the size of the box. I really haven't looked all that much in to this sort of speaker. I have an older dock that works with the older style iPhone connectors, and it really sounds pretty good, but my better half has sort of taken it over for use in his class-room. So I'd like to know from those who have experienced this equipment, what did you think, and are there other units you'd recommend as good competition? I like the size and the volume and depth of sound, but am not thrilled with the $300 price tag, naturally. Mary ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: listen to music in surrround sound
The fact is - whether we like it or not - 99% of the recorded music on the Planet was never recorded for surround-sound systems, it was either recorded in stereo or Mono. On 26 May 2014, at 11:17 pm, brian sackrider n8...@comcast.net wrote: Hi this is Brian Sackrider and it is a matter of prefference on how to listen to music if you listen toyour music in stereo or in surround sound that is your prefference. I used to have a pioneer surround sound system it was the htp 55 and I did like to listen to music in surround sound I liked the concert hall effect and all of the seperation and the acoostic effects. in my opinion that is the only to listen to music in full surround sound you just can't get that kind of sound from stereo speakers iI do like to hear good stereo speakers but there is no compearason to listening to music in surroundsound. On 5/26/2014 2:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point. Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening, you're better off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo speakers for doing things like that and here's their point, for the cost of a surround-sound system you can buy better sound stereo amp and speakers. In short, surround-sound is for entertaining and enjoyable listening. On 26 May 2014, at 4:52 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: Well it's too bad some people are like that. I don't think audiophiles would like surround sound. Someone told me once that when you add more speakers to the mix with surround sound, there is some loss of quality. Heck, I even used to use a graphics equalizer with one piece of equipment I had, but when I bought surround sound, the equalizer made things sound distored, so I quit using it. Audiophiles don't like graphic equalizers. - Original Message - From: Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3 I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. People make fun of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be Bose joke, and hell, I've even seen death threats. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3 As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a Bose system or product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but that's nice to say their products are cheap, nasty and rubbish because that just isn't the case. The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very good to deal with, or it is here at any rate. I've been able to try before I buy the products I have in my own home, there was one product I didn't like and I told Bose so after the trial, they made arrangements to pick the product up from me and I was given a refund of the purchase price, no questions asked. I had a problem with my Bose Soundlink Air and a pickup of the old and delivery of the new replacement was arranged, again no questions asked, no hitches etc, I just had to identify who I was. On 25 May 2014, at 4:08 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: I guess people say that you get what you pay for, and maybe it's worth it. - Original Message - From: Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:25 PM Subject: Bose Soundlink 3 I wonder if anybody on list owns this speaker from Bose. It costs $300. I saw one briefly last evening at the Verizon store, as I was purchasing my new iPhone and was pretty impressed with the sound, given the size of the box. I really haven't looked all that much in to this sort of speaker. I have an older dock that works with the older style iPhone connectors, and it really sounds pretty good, but my better half has sort of taken it over for use in his class-room. So I'd like to know from those who have experienced this equipment, what did you think, and are there other units you'd recommend as good competition? I like the size and the volume and depth of sound, but am not thrilled with the $300 price tag, naturally. Mary ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax
Re: listen to music in surrround sound
Hi, Folks. Another point: not all music is formatted to be actually surround-sound playable. For example, you may have a surround-sound system, but the CD may not have all the surround-sound channels. Matthew Chao At 09:17 AM 5/26/2014, you wrote: Hi this is Brian Sackrider and it is a matter of prefference on how to listen to music if you listen toyour music in stereo or in surround sound that is your prefference. I used to have a pioneer surround sound system it was the htp 55 and I did like to listen to music in surround sound I liked the concert hall effect and all of the seperation and the acoostic effects. in my opinion that is the only to listen to music in full surround sound you just can't get that kind of sound from stereo speakers iI do like to hear good stereo speakers but there is no compearason to listening to music in surroundsound. On 5/26/2014 2:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point. Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening, you're better off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo speakers for doing things like that and here's their point, for the cost of a surround-sound system you can buy better sound stereo amp and speakers. In short, surround-sound is for entertaining and enjoyable listening. On 26 May 2014, at 4:52 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: Well it's too bad some people are like that. I don't think audiophiles would like surround sound. Someone told me once that when you add more speakers to the mix with surround sound, there is some loss of quality. Heck, I even used to use a graphics equalizer with one piece of equipment I had, but when I bought surround sound, the equalizer made things sound distored, so I quit using it. Audiophiles don't like graphic equalizers. - Original Message - From: Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3 I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. People make fun of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be Bose joke, and hell, I've even seen death threats. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3 As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a Bose system or product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but that's nice to say their products are cheap, nasty and rubbish because that just isn't the case. The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very good to deal with, or it is here at any rate. I've been able to try before I buy the products I have in my own home, there was one product I didn't like and I told Bose so after the trial, they made arrangements to pick the product up from me and I was given a refund of the purchase price, no questions asked. I had a problem with my Bose Soundlink Air and a pickup of the old and delivery of the new replacement was arranged, again no questions asked, no hitches etc, I just had to identify who I was. On 25 May 2014, at 4:08 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: I guess people say that you get what you pay for, and maybe it's worth it. - Original Message - From: Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:25 PM Subject: Bose Soundlink 3 I wonder if anybody on list owns this speaker from Bose. It costs $300. I saw one briefly last evening at the Verizon store, as I was purchasing my new iPhone and was pretty impressed with the sound, given the size of the box. I really haven't looked all that much in to this sort of speaker. I have an older dock that works with the older style iPhone connectors, and it really sounds pretty good, but my better half has sort of taken it over for use in his class-room. So I'd like to know from those who have experienced this equipment, what did you think, and are there other units you'd recommend as good competition? I like the size and the volume and depth of sound, but am not thrilled with the $300 price tag, naturally. Mary ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: listen to music in surrround sound
In which case either 2 things will happen depending on how the user has set things up. Either the CD player will play through left and right channels - stereo - or it will be played using a simulated surround-sound mode using the Digital Signal Processor of the surround sound unit, in other words if your system is going to be used for music then a Surround sound system is most likely not your style. On 26 May 2014, at 11:56 pm, Matthew Chao mattc...@verizon.net wrote: Hi, Folks. Another point: not all music is formatted to be actually surround-sound playable. For example, you may have a surround-sound system, but the CD may not have all the surround-sound channels. Matthew Chao At 09:17 AM 5/26/2014, you wrote: Hi this is Brian Sackrider and it is a matter of prefference on how to listen to music if you listen toyour music in stereo or in surround sound that is your prefference. I used to have a pioneer surround sound system it was the htp 55 and I did like to listen to music in surround sound I liked the concert hall effect and all of the seperation and the acoostic effects. in my opinion that is the only to listen to music in full surround sound you just can't get that kind of sound from stereo speakers iI do like to hear good stereo speakers but there is no compearason to listening to music in surroundsound. On 5/26/2014 2:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point. Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening, you're better off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo speakers for doing things like that and here's their point, for the cost of a surround-sound system you can buy better sound stereo amp and speakers. In short, surround-sound is for entertaining and enjoyable listening. On 26 May 2014, at 4:52 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: Well it's too bad some people are like that. I don't think audiophiles would like surround sound. Someone told me once that when you add more speakers to the mix with surround sound, there is some loss of quality. Heck, I even used to use a graphics equalizer with one piece of equipment I had, but when I bought surround sound, the equalizer made things sound distored, so I quit using it. Audiophiles don't like graphic equalizers. - Original Message - From: Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3 I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. People make fun of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be Bose joke, and hell, I've even seen death threats. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3 As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a Bose system or product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but that's nice to say their products are cheap, nasty and rubbish because that just isn't the case. The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very good to deal with, or it is here at any rate. I've been able to try before I buy the products I have in my own home, there was one product I didn't like and I told Bose so after the trial, they made arrangements to pick the product up from me and I was given a refund of the purchase price, no questions asked. I had a problem with my Bose Soundlink Air and a pickup of the old and delivery of the new replacement was arranged, again no questions asked, no hitches etc, I just had to identify who I was. On 25 May 2014, at 4:08 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: I guess people say that you get what you pay for, and maybe it's worth it. - Original Message - From: Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:25 PM Subject: Bose Soundlink 3 I wonder if anybody on list owns this speaker from Bose. It costs $300. I saw one briefly last evening at the Verizon store, as I was purchasing my new iPhone and was pretty impressed with the sound, given the size of the box. I really haven't looked all that much in to this sort of speaker. I have an older dock that works with the older style iPhone connectors, and it really sounds pretty good, but my better half has sort of taken it over for use in his class-room. So I'd like to know from those who have experienced this equipment, what did you think, and are there other units you'd recommend as good competition? I like the size and the volume and depth of sound, but am not thrilled with the $300 price tag, naturally. Mary ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
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I agree. - Original Message - From: brian sackrider n8...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 8:17 AM Subject: listen to music in surrround sound Hi this is Brian Sackrider and it is a matter of prefference on how to listen to music if you listen toyour music in stereo or in surround sound that is your prefference. I used to have a pioneer surround sound system it was the htp 55 and I did like to listen to music in surround sound I liked the concert hall effect and all of the seperation and the acoostic effects. in my opinion that is the only to listen to music in full surround sound you just can't get that kind of sound from stereo speakers iI do like to hear good stereo speakers but there is no compearason to listening to music in surroundsound. On 5/26/2014 2:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point. Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening, you're better off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo speakers for doing things like that and here's their point, for the cost of a surround-sound system you can buy better sound stereo amp and speakers. In short, surround-sound is for entertaining and enjoyable listening. On 26 May 2014, at 4:52 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: Well it's too bad some people are like that. I don't think audiophiles would like surround sound. Someone told me once that when you add more speakers to the mix with surround sound, there is some loss of quality. Heck, I even used to use a graphics equalizer with one piece of equipment I had, but when I bought surround sound, the equalizer made things sound distored, so I quit using it. Audiophiles don't like graphic equalizers. - Original Message - From: Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3 I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. People make fun of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be Bose joke, and hell, I've even seen death threats. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3 As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a Bose system or product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but that's nice to say their products are cheap, nasty and rubbish because that just isn't the case. The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very good to deal with, or it is here at any rate. I've been able to try before I buy the products I have in my own home, there was one product I didn't like and I told Bose so after the trial, they made arrangements to pick the product up from me and I was given a refund of the purchase price, no questions asked. I had a problem with my Bose Soundlink Air and a pickup of the old and delivery of the new replacement was arranged, again no questions asked, no hitches etc, I just had to identify who I was. On 25 May 2014, at 4:08 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: I guess people say that you get what you pay for, and maybe it's worth it. - Original Message - From: Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:25 PM Subject: Bose Soundlink 3 I wonder if anybody on list owns this speaker from Bose. It costs $300. I saw one briefly last evening at the Verizon store, as I was purchasing my new iPhone and was pretty impressed with the sound, given the size of the box. I really haven't looked all that much in to this sort of speaker. I have an older dock that works with the older style iPhone connectors, and it really sounds pretty good, but my better half has sort of taken it over for use in his class-room. So I'd like to know from those who have experienced this equipment, what did you think, and are there other units you'd recommend as good competition? I like the size and the volume and depth of sound, but am not thrilled with the $300 price tag, naturally. Mary ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
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That may be true, but it's still a matter of choice, I believe. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 8:19 AM Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound The fact is - whether we like it or not - 99% of the recorded music on the Planet was never recorded for surround-sound systems, it was either recorded in stereo or Mono. On 26 May 2014, at 11:17 pm, brian sackrider n8...@comcast.net wrote: Hi this is Brian Sackrider and it is a matter of prefference on how to listen to music if you listen toyour music in stereo or in surround sound that is your prefference. I used to have a pioneer surround sound system it was the htp 55 and I did like to listen to music in surround sound I liked the concert hall effect and all of the seperation and the acoostic effects. in my opinion that is the only to listen to music in full surround sound you just can't get that kind of sound from stereo speakers iI do like to hear good stereo speakers but there is no compearason to listening to music in surroundsound. On 5/26/2014 2:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point. Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening, you're better off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo speakers for doing things like that and here's their point, for the cost of a surround-sound system you can buy better sound stereo amp and speakers. In short, surround-sound is for entertaining and enjoyable listening. On 26 May 2014, at 4:52 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: Well it's too bad some people are like that. I don't think audiophiles would like surround sound. Someone told me once that when you add more speakers to the mix with surround sound, there is some loss of quality. Heck, I even used to use a graphics equalizer with one piece of equipment I had, but when I bought surround sound, the equalizer made things sound distored, so I quit using it. Audiophiles don't like graphic equalizers. - Original Message - From: Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3 I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. People make fun of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be Bose joke, and hell, I've even seen death threats. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3 As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a Bose system or product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but that's nice to say their products are cheap, nasty and rubbish because that just isn't the case. The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very good to deal with, or it is here at any rate. I've been able to try before I buy the products I have in my own home, there was one product I didn't like and I told Bose so after the trial, they made arrangements to pick the product up from me and I was given a refund of the purchase price, no questions asked. I had a problem with my Bose Soundlink Air and a pickup of the old and delivery of the new replacement was arranged, again no questions asked, no hitches etc, I just had to identify who I was. On 25 May 2014, at 4:08 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: I guess people say that you get what you pay for, and maybe it's worth it. - Original Message - From: Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:25 PM Subject: Bose Soundlink 3 I wonder if anybody on list owns this speaker from Bose. It costs $300. I saw one briefly last evening at the Verizon store, as I was purchasing my new iPhone and was pretty impressed with the sound, given the size of the box. I really haven't looked all that much in to this sort of speaker. I have an older dock that works with the older style iPhone connectors, and it really sounds pretty good, but my better half has sort of taken it over for use in his class-room. So I'd like to know from those who have experienced this equipment, what did you think, and are there other units you'd recommend as good competition? I like the size and the volume and depth of sound, but am not thrilled with the $300 price tag, naturally. Mary ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
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And who has said that it wasn't? On 27 May 2014, at 12:35 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: That may be true, but it's still a matter of choice, I believe. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 8:19 AM Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound The fact is - whether we like it or not - 99% of the recorded music on the Planet was never recorded for surround-sound systems, it was either recorded in stereo or Mono. On 26 May 2014, at 11:17 pm, brian sackrider n8...@comcast.net wrote: Hi this is Brian Sackrider and it is a matter of prefference on how to listen to music if you listen toyour music in stereo or in surround sound that is your prefference. I used to have a pioneer surround sound system it was the htp 55 and I did like to listen to music in surround sound I liked the concert hall effect and all of the seperation and the acoostic effects. in my opinion that is the only to listen to music in full surround sound you just can't get that kind of sound from stereo speakers iI do like to hear good stereo speakers but there is no compearason to listening to music in surroundsound. On 5/26/2014 2:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point. Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening, you're better off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo speakers for doing things like that and here's their point, for the cost of a surround-sound system you can buy better sound stereo amp and speakers. In short, surround-sound is for entertaining and enjoyable listening. On 26 May 2014, at 4:52 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: Well it's too bad some people are like that. I don't think audiophiles would like surround sound. Someone told me once that when you add more speakers to the mix with surround sound, there is some loss of quality. Heck, I even used to use a graphics equalizer with one piece of equipment I had, but when I bought surround sound, the equalizer made things sound distored, so I quit using it. Audiophiles don't like graphic equalizers. - Original Message - From: Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3 I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. People make fun of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be Bose joke, and hell, I've even seen death threats. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3 As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a Bose system or product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but that's nice to say their products are cheap, nasty and rubbish because that just isn't the case. The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very good to deal with, or it is here at any rate. I've been able to try before I buy the products I have in my own home, there was one product I didn't like and I told Bose so after the trial, they made arrangements to pick the product up from me and I was given a refund of the purchase price, no questions asked. I had a problem with my Bose Soundlink Air and a pickup of the old and delivery of the new replacement was arranged, again no questions asked, no hitches etc, I just had to identify who I was. On 25 May 2014, at 4:08 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: I guess people say that you get what you pay for, and maybe it's worth it. - Original Message - From: Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:25 PM Subject: Bose Soundlink 3 I wonder if anybody on list owns this speaker from Bose. It costs $300. I saw one briefly last evening at the Verizon store, as I was purchasing my new iPhone and was pretty impressed with the sound, given the size of the box. I really haven't looked all that much in to this sort of speaker. I have an older dock that works with the older style iPhone connectors, and it really sounds pretty good, but my better half has sort of taken it over for use in his class-room. So I'd like to know from those who have experienced this equipment, what did you think, and are there other units you'd recommend as good competition? I like the size and the volume and depth of sound, but am not thrilled with the $300 price tag, naturally. Mary ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane **
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This is perhaps so, but my test with the Bose Lifestyle V35 showed it split the music quite well despite not having the real 5.1 data. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Chao Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 9:57 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound Hi, Folks. Another point: not all music is formatted to be actually surround-sound playable. For example, you may have a surround-sound system, but the CD may not have all the surround-sound channels. Matthew Chao At 09:17 AM 5/26/2014, you wrote: Hi this is Brian Sackrider and it is a matter of prefference on how to listen to music if you listen toyour music in stereo or in surround sound that is your prefference. I used to have a pioneer surround sound system it was the htp 55 and I did like to listen to music in surround sound I liked the concert hall effect and all of the seperation and the acoostic effects. in my opinion that is the only to listen to music in full surround sound you just can't get that kind of sound from stereo speakers iI do like to hear good stereo speakers but there is no compearason to listening to music in surroundsound. On 5/26/2014 2:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point. Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening, you're better off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo speakers for doing things like that and here's their point, for the cost of a surround-sound system you can buy better sound stereo amp and speakers. In short, surround-sound is for entertaining and enjoyable listening. On 26 May 2014, at 4:52 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: Well it's too bad some people are like that. I don't think audiophiles would like surround sound. Someone told me once that when you add more speakers to the mix with surround sound, there is some loss of quality. Heck, I even used to use a graphics equalizer with one piece of equipment I had, but when I bought surround sound, the equalizer made things sound distored, so I quit using it. Audiophiles don't like graphic equalizers. - Original Message - From: Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3 I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. People make fun of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be Bose joke, and hell, I've even seen death threats. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3 As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a Bose system or product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but that's nice to say their products are cheap, nasty and rubbish because that just isn't the case. The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very good to deal with, or it is here at any rate. I've been able to try before I buy the products I have in my own home, there was one product I didn't like and I told Bose so after the trial, they made arrangements to pick the product up from me and I was given a refund of the purchase price, no questions asked. I had a problem with my Bose Soundlink Air and a pickup of the old and delivery of the new replacement was arranged, again no questions asked, no hitches etc, I just had to identify who I was. On 25 May 2014, at 4:08 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: I guess people say that you get what you pay for, and maybe it's worth it. - Original Message - From: Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:25 PM Subject: Bose Soundlink 3 I wonder if anybody on list owns this speaker from Bose. It costs $300. I saw one briefly last evening at the Verizon store, as I was purchasing my new iPhone and was pretty impressed with the sound, given the size of the box. I really haven't looked all that much in to this sort of speaker. I have an older dock that works with the older style iPhone connectors, and it really sounds pretty good, but my better half has sort of taken it over for use in his class-room. So I'd like to know from those who have experienced this equipment, what did you think, and are there other units you'd recommend as good competition? I like the size and the volume and depth of sound, but am not thrilled with the $300 price tag, naturally. Mary ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005
Re: listen to music in surrround sound
I'm sure nobody. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 9:36 AM Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound And who has said that it wasn't? On 27 May 2014, at 12:35 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: That may be true, but it's still a matter of choice, I believe. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 8:19 AM Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound The fact is - whether we like it or not - 99% of the recorded music on the Planet was never recorded for surround-sound systems, it was either recorded in stereo or Mono. On 26 May 2014, at 11:17 pm, brian sackrider n8...@comcast.net wrote: Hi this is Brian Sackrider and it is a matter of prefference on how to listen to music if you listen toyour music in stereo or in surround sound that is your prefference. I used to have a pioneer surround sound system it was the htp 55 and I did like to listen to music in surround sound I liked the concert hall effect and all of the seperation and the acoostic effects. in my opinion that is the only to listen to music in full surround sound you just can't get that kind of sound from stereo speakers iI do like to hear good stereo speakers but there is no compearason to listening to music in surroundsound. On 5/26/2014 2:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point. Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening, you're better off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo speakers for doing things like that and here's their point, for the cost of a surround-sound system you can buy better sound stereo amp and speakers. In short, surround-sound is for entertaining and enjoyable listening. On 26 May 2014, at 4:52 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: Well it's too bad some people are like that. I don't think audiophiles would like surround sound. Someone told me once that when you add more speakers to the mix with surround sound, there is some loss of quality. Heck, I even used to use a graphics equalizer with one piece of equipment I had, but when I bought surround sound, the equalizer made things sound distored, so I quit using it. Audiophiles don't like graphic equalizers. - Original Message - From: Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3 I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. People make fun of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be Bose joke, and hell, I've even seen death threats. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3 As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a Bose system or product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but that's nice to say their products are cheap, nasty and rubbish because that just isn't the case. The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very good to deal with, or it is here at any rate. I've been able to try before I buy the products I have in my own home, there was one product I didn't like and I told Bose so after the trial, they made arrangements to pick the product up from me and I was given a refund of the purchase price, no questions asked. I had a problem with my Bose Soundlink Air and a pickup of the old and delivery of the new replacement was arranged, again no questions asked, no hitches etc, I just had to identify who I was. On 25 May 2014, at 4:08 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: I guess people say that you get what you pay for, and maybe it's worth it. - Original Message - From: Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:25 PM Subject: Bose Soundlink 3 I wonder if anybody on list owns this speaker from Bose. It costs $300. I saw one briefly last evening at the Verizon store, as I was purchasing my new iPhone and was pretty impressed with the sound, given the size of the box. I really haven't looked all that much in to this sort of speaker. I have an older dock that works with the older style iPhone connectors, and it really sounds pretty good, but my better half has sort of taken it over for use in his class-room. So I'd like to know from those who have experienced this equipment, what did you think, and are there other units you'd recommend as good competition? I like the size and the volume and depth of sound, but am not thrilled with the $300 price tag, naturally. Mary ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79
RE: listen to music in surrround sound
Especially if you have a real good system. I would use the Lifestyle V35 if I had one. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of brian sackrider Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 9:17 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: listen to music in surrround sound Hi this is Brian Sackrider and it is a matter of prefference on how to listen to music if you listen toyour music in stereo or in surround sound that is your prefference. I used to have a pioneer surround sound system it was the htp 55 and I did like to listen to music in surround sound I liked the concert hall effect and all of the seperation and the acoostic effects. in my opinion that is the only to listen to music in full surround sound you just can't get that kind of sound from stereo speakers iI do like to hear good stereo speakers but there is no compearason to listening to music in surroundsound. On 5/26/2014 2:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point. Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening, you're better off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo speakers for doing things like that and here's their point, for the cost of a surround-sound system you can buy better sound stereo amp and speakers. In short, surround-sound is for entertaining and enjoyable listening. On 26 May 2014, at 4:52 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: Well it's too bad some people are like that. I don't think audiophiles would like surround sound. Someone told me once that when you add more speakers to the mix with surround sound, there is some loss of quality. Heck, I even used to use a graphics equalizer with one piece of equipment I had, but when I bought surround sound, the equalizer made things sound distored, so I quit using it. Audiophiles don't like graphic equalizers. - Original Message - From: Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3 I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. People make fun of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be Bose joke, and hell, I've even seen death threats. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3 As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a Bose system or product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but that's nice to say their products are cheap, nasty and rubbish because that just isn't the case. The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very good to deal with, or it is here at any rate. I've been able to try before I buy the products I have in my own home, there was one product I didn't like and I told Bose so after the trial, they made arrangements to pick the product up from me and I was given a refund of the purchase price, no questions asked. I had a problem with my Bose Soundlink Air and a pickup of the old and delivery of the new replacement was arranged, again no questions asked, no hitches etc, I just had to identify who I was. On 25 May 2014, at 4:08 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: I guess people say that you get what you pay for, and maybe it's worth it. - Original Message - From: Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:25 PM Subject: Bose Soundlink 3 I wonder if anybody on list owns this speaker from Bose. It costs $300. I saw one briefly last evening at the Verizon store, as I was purchasing my new iPhone and was pretty impressed with the sound, given the size of the box. I really haven't looked all that much in to this sort of speaker. I have an older dock that works with the older style iPhone connectors, and it really sounds pretty good, but my better half has sort of taken it over for use in his class-room. So I'd like to know from those who have experienced this equipment, what did you think, and are there other units you'd recommend as good competition? I like the size and the volume and depth of sound, but am not thrilled with the $300 price tag, naturally. Mary ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
RE: Bose Soundlink 3
Yes they do. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 2:59 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3 I think there's a little more involved in a Soundbar than an assembly of speakers in certain positions, the Bose Soundbar I have uses some DSP effects and I'm sure they all do to an extent. On 26 May 2014, at 4:55 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: I may even try to make a soundbar using three Infinity beta speakers end for end, and use the other two speakers as rear speakers, as I do now. - Original Message - From: Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3 I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. People make fun of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be Bose joke, and hell, I've even seen death threats. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3 As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a Bose system or product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but that's nice to say their products are cheap, nasty and rubbish because that just isn't the case. The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very good to deal with, or it is here at any rate. I've been able to try before I buy the products I have in my own home, there was one product I didn't like and I told Bose so after the trial, they made arrangements to pick the product up from me and I was given a refund of the purchase price, no questions asked. I had a problem with my Bose Soundlink Air and a pickup of the old and delivery of the new replacement was arranged, again no questions asked, no hitches etc, I just had to identify who I was. On 25 May 2014, at 4:08 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: I guess people say that you get what you pay for, and maybe it's worth it. - Original Message - From: Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:25 PM Subject: Bose Soundlink 3 I wonder if anybody on list owns this speaker from Bose. It costs $300. I saw one briefly last evening at the Verizon store, as I was purchasing my new iPhone and was pretty impressed with the sound, given the size of the box. I really haven't looked all that much in to this sort of speaker. I have an older dock that works with the older style iPhone connectors, and it really sounds pretty good, but my better half has sort of taken it over for use in his class-room. So I'd like to know from those who have experienced this equipment, what did you think, and are there other units you'd recommend as good competition? I like the size and the volume and depth of sound, but am not thrilled with the $300 price tag, naturally. Mary ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
RE: Burnaware 6
Elizabeth: Gary Ray here. I have been trying to use Burnaware 6.9 to copy music CDs. I keep getting a final product that is not a music CD. Are you using it to make copies of Music CDs? Please advise. Gary Ray -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 7:09 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Burnaware 6 I use a standard keyboard. What do you need my phone number for to contact me off list please? Surely not a date. (grin) I just need the link to download version 6 of Burnaware if you have it please. Elizabeth At 02:28 AM 5/25/2014, you wrote: alizabeth, what keyboard do you use, and do you have a phone number to contact you off list?
Re: Burnaware 6
You need to choose audio CD to make music CDs. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 26/05/2014 19:08, Gary Ray wrote: Elizabeth: Gary Ray here. I have been trying to use Burnaware 6.9 to copy music CDs. I keep getting a final product that is not a music CD. Are you using it to make copies of Music CDs? Please advise. Gary Ray -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 7:09 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Burnaware 6 I use a standard keyboard. What do you need my phone number for to contact me off list please? Surely not a date. (grin) I just need the link to download version 6 of Burnaware if you have it please. Elizabeth At 02:28 AM 5/25/2014, you wrote: alizabeth, what keyboard do you use, and do you have a phone number to contact you off list?
RE: Burnaware 6
Where can one obtain this program? Thanks. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Hallsworth Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 11:18 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Burnaware 6 You need to choose audio CD to make music CDs. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 26/05/2014 19:08, Gary Ray wrote: Elizabeth: Gary Ray here. I have been trying to use Burnaware 6.9 to copy music CDs. I keep getting a final product that is not a music CD. Are you using it to make copies of Music CDs? Please advise. Gary Ray -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 7:09 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Burnaware 6 I use a standard keyboard. What do you need my phone number for to contact me off list please? Surely not a date. (grin) I just need the link to download version 6 of Burnaware if you have it please. Elizabeth At 02:28 AM 5/25/2014, you wrote: alizabeth, what keyboard do you use, and do you have a phone number to contact you off list?
Re: Burnaware 6
hi, and it is under multimedia. Brian -Oprindelig meddelelse- From: Christopher Hallsworth Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 8:17 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Burnaware 6 You need to choose audio CD to make music CDs. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 26/05/2014 19:08, Gary Ray wrote: Elizabeth: Gary Ray here. I have been trying to use Burnaware 6.9 to copy music CDs. I keep getting a final product that is not a music CD. Are you using it to make copies of Music CDs? Please advise. Gary Ray -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 7:09 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Burnaware 6 I use a standard keyboard. What do you need my phone number for to contact me off list please? Surely not a date. (grin) I just need the link to download version 6 of Burnaware if you have it please. Elizabeth At 02:28 AM 5/25/2014, you wrote: alizabeth, what keyboard do you use, and do you have a phone number to contact you off list?
RE: Burnaware 6
I am not using it to make anything at all. I missed downloading it when the link to it was given by somebody a few days ago. So I do not have a copy of Burnaware 6. Somebody else will have to help you out. Elizabeth At 02:08 PM 5/26/2014, you wrote: Elizabeth: Gary Ray here. I have been trying to use Burnaware 6.9 to copy music CDs. I keep getting a final product that is not a music CD. Are you using it to make copies of Music CDs? Please advise. Gary Ray
Re: Burnaware 6
www.burnaware.com Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 26/05/2014 19:22, Dave McElroy wrote: Where can one obtain this program? Thanks. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Hallsworth Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 11:18 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Burnaware 6 You need to choose audio CD to make music CDs. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 26/05/2014 19:08, Gary Ray wrote: Elizabeth: Gary Ray here. I have been trying to use Burnaware 6.9 to copy music CDs. I keep getting a final product that is not a music CD. Are you using it to make copies of Music CDs? Please advise. Gary Ray -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 7:09 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Burnaware 6 I use a standard keyboard. What do you need my phone number for to contact me off list please? Surely not a date. (grin) I just need the link to download version 6 of Burnaware if you have it please. Elizabeth At 02:28 AM 5/25/2014, you wrote: alizabeth, what keyboard do you use, and do you have a phone number to contact you off list? .
Re: Burnaware 6
That website contains version 7 which is not accessible but not version 6 which is accessible. At least when I went there I could not find version 6. Please point me to it if I am incorrect. Elizabeth At 03:24 PM 5/26/2014, you wrote: www.burnaware.com Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 26/05/2014 19:22, Dave McElroy wrote: Where can one obtain this program? Thanks. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Hallsworth Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 11:18 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Burnaware 6 You need to choose audio CD to make music CDs. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 26/05/2014 19:08, Gary Ray wrote: Elizabeth: Gary Ray here. I have been trying to use Burnaware 6.9 to copy music CDs. I keep getting a final product that is not a music CD. Are you using it to make copies of Music CDs? Please advise. Gary Ray -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 7:09 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Burnaware 6 I use a standard keyboard. What do you need my phone number for to contact me off list please? Surely not a date. (grin) I just need the link to download version 6 of Burnaware if you have it please. Elizabeth At 02:28 AM 5/25/2014, you wrote: alizabeth, what keyboard do you use, and do you have a phone number to contact you off list? .
RE: listen to music in surround sound
I often listen to music in surround sound effect for the sheer enveloping fun of it even though there can be a little loss in quality. I have a fairly old but very good home theatre set up with Bours Wilkins media wall speakers and a Linn Sizmik subwoofer with an Arcam AV600 receiver. Although stereo sounds more dynamic and accurate I often listen to music in surround sound simulation because it does it so well and is kind of magical. A really good Blue ray movie is so involving I've sometimes turned audio description off to get the full effect. The only music recording I have in genuine 5.1 is a recently acquired Pure Audio remaster of the Genesis album Selling England by The Pound. It's wonderful. I can't understand why more great albums haven't been done this way. I've also got an old Logitec Z5500 5.1 speaker set attached to my PC and with that system the surround simulation is far preferable to normal stereo because otherwise there's no real depth to the music. To be honest, though, for convenience, most of the time I just stream audio from my PC or iPhone while I do other things. Incidentally, my pet hate at the moment is the way so many modern recordings have the volume compressed so that all the music is exactly the same level. I'm always trying to turn the music up to try to squeeze a bit more dynamic range out of it which of course doesn't really work. John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Gary Wood Sent: 26 May 2014 16:19 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound I'm sure nobody. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 9:36 AM Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound And who has said that it wasn't? On 27 May 2014, at 12:35 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: That may be true, but it's still a matter of choice, I believe. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 8:19 AM Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound The fact is - whether we like it or not - 99% of the recorded music on the Planet was never recorded for surround-sound systems, it was either recorded in stereo or Mono. On 26 May 2014, at 11:17 pm, brian sackrider n8...@comcast.net wrote: Hi this is Brian Sackrider and it is a matter of prefference on how to listen to music if you listen toyour music in stereo or in surround sound that is your prefference. I used to have a pioneer surround sound system it was the htp 55 and I did like to listen to music in surround sound I liked the concert hall effect and all of the seperation and the acoostic effects. in my opinion that is the only to listen to music in full surround sound you just can't get that kind of sound from stereo speakers iI do like to hear good stereo speakers but there is no compearason to listening to music in surroundsound. On 5/26/2014 2:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point. Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening, you're better off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo speakers for doing things like that and here's their point, for the cost of a surround-sound system you can buy better sound stereo amp and speakers. In short, surround-sound is for entertaining and enjoyable listening. On 26 May 2014, at 4:52 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: Well it's too bad some people are like that. I don't think audiophiles would like surround sound. Someone told me once that when you add more speakers to the mix with surround sound, there is some loss of quality. Heck, I even used to use a graphics equalizer with one piece of equipment I had, but when I bought surround sound, the equalizer made things sound distored, so I quit using it. Audiophiles don't like graphic equalizers. - Original Message - From: Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3 I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. People make fun of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be Bose joke, and hell, I've even seen death threats. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3 As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a Bose system or product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but that's nice to say their products are cheap, nasty and rubbish because that just isn't the case. The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very good to deal
Re: listen to music in surrround sound
Ah, I see where you're coming from. Well an audiophile has never - to my knowledge at any rate - said there wasn't or isn't a choice, the only point most make is that Surround-Sound gear is not really the type of stuff for the lovers of good music and as I said earlier, the consumer can buy something that sounds very good in stereo for the price of a cheap surround-sound system so I take the point and the choice is yours. On 27 May 2014, at 1:18 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: I'm sure nobody. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 9:36 AM Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound And who has said that it wasn't? On 27 May 2014, at 12:35 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: That may be true, but it's still a matter of choice, I believe. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 8:19 AM Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound The fact is - whether we like it or not - 99% of the recorded music on the Planet was never recorded for surround-sound systems, it was either recorded in stereo or Mono. On 26 May 2014, at 11:17 pm, brian sackrider n8...@comcast.net wrote: Hi this is Brian Sackrider and it is a matter of prefference on how to listen to music if you listen toyour music in stereo or in surround sound that is your prefference. I used to have a pioneer surround sound system it was the htp 55 and I did like to listen to music in surround sound I liked the concert hall effect and all of the seperation and the acoostic effects. in my opinion that is the only to listen to music in full surround sound you just can't get that kind of sound from stereo speakers iI do like to hear good stereo speakers but there is no compearason to listening to music in surroundsound. On 5/26/2014 2:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point. Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening, you're better off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo speakers for doing things like that and here's their point, for the cost of a surround-sound system you can buy better sound stereo amp and speakers. In short, surround-sound is for entertaining and enjoyable listening. On 26 May 2014, at 4:52 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: Well it's too bad some people are like that. I don't think audiophiles would like surround sound. Someone told me once that when you add more speakers to the mix with surround sound, there is some loss of quality. Heck, I even used to use a graphics equalizer with one piece of equipment I had, but when I bought surround sound, the equalizer made things sound distored, so I quit using it. Audiophiles don't like graphic equalizers. - Original Message - From: Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3 I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. People make fun of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be Bose joke, and hell, I've even seen death threats. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3 As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a Bose system or product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but that's nice to say their products are cheap, nasty and rubbish because that just isn't the case. The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very good to deal with, or it is here at any rate. I've been able to try before I buy the products I have in my own home, there was one product I didn't like and I told Bose so after the trial, they made arrangements to pick the product up from me and I was given a refund of the purchase price, no questions asked. I had a problem with my Bose Soundlink Air and a pickup of the old and delivery of the new replacement was arranged, again no questions asked, no hitches etc, I just had to identify who I was. On 25 May 2014, at 4:08 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: I guess people say that you get what you pay for, and maybe it's worth it. - Original Message - From: Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:25 PM Subject: Bose Soundlink 3 I wonder if anybody on list owns this speaker from Bose. It costs $300. I saw one briefly last evening at the Verizon store, as I was purchasing my new iPhone and was pretty impressed with the sound, given the size of the box. I really haven't looked all
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Well John, I also find music in surround sound preferable than just stereo for the reasons you mentioned, for the enveloping quality of music done that way. - Original Message - From: John Gurd j.g...@ntlworld.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: RE: listen to music in surround sound I often listen to music in surround sound effect for the sheer enveloping fun of it even though there can be a little loss in quality. I have a fairly old but very good home theatre set up with Bours Wilkins media wall speakers and a Linn Sizmik subwoofer with an Arcam AV600 receiver. Although stereo sounds more dynamic and accurate I often listen to music in surround sound simulation because it does it so well and is kind of magical. A really good Blue ray movie is so involving I've sometimes turned audio description off to get the full effect. The only music recording I have in genuine 5.1 is a recently acquired Pure Audio remaster of the Genesis album Selling England by The Pound. It's wonderful. I can't understand why more great albums haven't been done this way. I've also got an old Logitec Z5500 5.1 speaker set attached to my PC and with that system the surround simulation is far preferable to normal stereo because otherwise there's no real depth to the music. To be honest, though, for convenience, most of the time I just stream audio from my PC or iPhone while I do other things. Incidentally, my pet hate at the moment is the way so many modern recordings have the volume compressed so that all the music is exactly the same level. I'm always trying to turn the music up to try to squeeze a bit more dynamic range out of it which of course doesn't really work. John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Gary Wood Sent: 26 May 2014 16:19 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound I'm sure nobody. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 9:36 AM Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound And who has said that it wasn't? On 27 May 2014, at 12:35 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: That may be true, but it's still a matter of choice, I believe. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 8:19 AM Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound The fact is - whether we like it or not - 99% of the recorded music on the Planet was never recorded for surround-sound systems, it was either recorded in stereo or Mono. On 26 May 2014, at 11:17 pm, brian sackrider n8...@comcast.net wrote: Hi this is Brian Sackrider and it is a matter of prefference on how to listen to music if you listen toyour music in stereo or in surround sound that is your prefference. I used to have a pioneer surround sound system it was the htp 55 and I did like to listen to music in surround sound I liked the concert hall effect and all of the seperation and the acoostic effects. in my opinion that is the only to listen to music in full surround sound you just can't get that kind of sound from stereo speakers iI do like to hear good stereo speakers but there is no compearason to listening to music in surroundsound. On 5/26/2014 2:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point. Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening, you're better off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo speakers for doing things like that and here's their point, for the cost of a surround-sound system you can buy better sound stereo amp and speakers. In short, surround-sound is for entertaining and enjoyable listening. On 26 May 2014, at 4:52 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: Well it's too bad some people are like that. I don't think audiophiles would like surround sound. Someone told me once that when you add more speakers to the mix with surround sound, there is some loss of quality. Heck, I even used to use a graphics equalizer with one piece of equipment I had, but when I bought surround sound, the equalizer made things sound distored, so I quit using it. Audiophiles don't like graphic equalizers. - Original Message - From: Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3 I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. People make fun of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be Bose joke, and hell, I've even seen death threats. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List
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Well the first system was a Pioneer. Then when digital came out, I decided on an Onkyo. It seems like systems I've cost around $300, U.S. for these. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 5:53 PM Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound Ah, I see where you're coming from. Well an audiophile has never - to my knowledge at any rate - said there wasn't or isn't a choice, the only point most make is that Surround-Sound gear is not really the type of stuff for the lovers of good music and as I said earlier, the consumer can buy something that sounds very good in stereo for the price of a cheap surround-sound system so I take the point and the choice is yours. On 27 May 2014, at 1:18 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: I'm sure nobody. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 9:36 AM Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound And who has said that it wasn't? On 27 May 2014, at 12:35 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: That may be true, but it's still a matter of choice, I believe. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 8:19 AM Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound The fact is - whether we like it or not - 99% of the recorded music on the Planet was never recorded for surround-sound systems, it was either recorded in stereo or Mono. On 26 May 2014, at 11:17 pm, brian sackrider n8...@comcast.net wrote: Hi this is Brian Sackrider and it is a matter of prefference on how to listen to music if you listen toyour music in stereo or in surround sound that is your prefference. I used to have a pioneer surround sound system it was the htp 55 and I did like to listen to music in surround sound I liked the concert hall effect and all of the seperation and the acoostic effects. in my opinion that is the only to listen to music in full surround sound you just can't get that kind of sound from stereo speakers iI do like to hear good stereo speakers but there is no compearason to listening to music in surroundsound. On 5/26/2014 2:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point. Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening, you're better off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo speakers for doing things like that and here's their point, for the cost of a surround-sound system you can buy better sound stereo amp and speakers. In short, surround-sound is for entertaining and enjoyable listening. On 26 May 2014, at 4:52 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: Well it's too bad some people are like that. I don't think audiophiles would like surround sound. Someone told me once that when you add more speakers to the mix with surround sound, there is some loss of quality. Heck, I even used to use a graphics equalizer with one piece of equipment I had, but when I bought surround sound, the equalizer made things sound distored, so I quit using it. Audiophiles don't like graphic equalizers. - Original Message - From: Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3 I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. People make fun of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be Bose joke, and hell, I've even seen death threats. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3 As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a Bose system or product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but that's nice to say their products are cheap, nasty and rubbish because that just isn't the case. The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very good to deal with, or it is here at any rate. I've been able to try before I buy the products I have in my own home, there was one product I didn't like and I told Bose so after the trial, they made arrangements to pick the product up from me and I was given a refund of the purchase price, no questions asked. I had a problem with my Bose Soundlink Air and a pickup of the old and delivery of the new replacement was arranged, again no questions asked, no hitches etc, I just had to identify who I was. On 25 May 2014, at 4:08 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: I guess people say that you get what you pay for, and maybe it's worth it. - Original Message - From: Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:25
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If you like listening to music through a surround-sound system with a DSP effect then fine! and you're underlining the point that an audiophile is making, you're listening to music in a way that wasn't normally intended for it to be listened to so the argument then goes that - because of the extra artificial effect applied by the DSP - you're not able to fully appreciate the purity of the music, quality of the music etc that you would otherwise experience from a better quality 2 channel system. There are exceptions to the rule of course and I'm talking here of quad recordings or SACD etc but again these are not very common and aren't in mainstream music recordings, you don't see Quad FM nowadays or you don't see SACD recordings in large numbers at your local record shops. On 27 May 2014, at 9:40 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: Well John, I also find music in surround sound preferable than just stereo for the reasons you mentioned, for the enveloping quality of music done that way. - Original Message - From: John Gurd j.g...@ntlworld.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: RE: listen to music in surround sound I often listen to music in surround sound effect for the sheer enveloping fun of it even though there can be a little loss in quality. I have a fairly old but very good home theatre set up with Bours Wilkins media wall speakers and a Linn Sizmik subwoofer with an Arcam AV600 receiver. Although stereo sounds more dynamic and accurate I often listen to music in surround sound simulation because it does it so well and is kind of magical. A really good Blue ray movie is so involving I've sometimes turned audio description off to get the full effect. The only music recording I have in genuine 5.1 is a recently acquired Pure Audio remaster of the Genesis album Selling England by The Pound. It's wonderful. I can't understand why more great albums haven't been done this way. I've also got an old Logitec Z5500 5.1 speaker set attached to my PC and with that system the surround simulation is far preferable to normal stereo because otherwise there's no real depth to the music. To be honest, though, for convenience, most of the time I just stream audio from my PC or iPhone while I do other things. Incidentally, my pet hate at the moment is the way so many modern recordings have the volume compressed so that all the music is exactly the same level. I'm always trying to turn the music up to try to squeeze a bit more dynamic range out of it which of course doesn't really work. John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Gary Wood Sent: 26 May 2014 16:19 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound I'm sure nobody. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 9:36 AM Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound And who has said that it wasn't? On 27 May 2014, at 12:35 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: That may be true, but it's still a matter of choice, I believe. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 8:19 AM Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound The fact is - whether we like it or not - 99% of the recorded music on the Planet was never recorded for surround-sound systems, it was either recorded in stereo or Mono. On 26 May 2014, at 11:17 pm, brian sackrider n8...@comcast.net wrote: Hi this is Brian Sackrider and it is a matter of prefference on how to listen to music if you listen toyour music in stereo or in surround sound that is your prefference. I used to have a pioneer surround sound system it was the htp 55 and I did like to listen to music in surround sound I liked the concert hall effect and all of the seperation and the acoostic effects. in my opinion that is the only to listen to music in full surround sound you just can't get that kind of sound from stereo speakers iI do like to hear good stereo speakers but there is no compearason to listening to music in surroundsound. On 5/26/2014 2:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point. Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening, you're better off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo speakers for doing things like that and here's their point, for the cost of a surround-sound system you can buy better sound stereo amp and speakers. In short, surround-sound is for entertaining and enjoyable listening. On 26 May 2014, at 4:52 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: Well it's too bad some people are like that. I don't think audiophiles would like
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I'm not really sure that I am listening to music with a DSP effect. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 6:58 PM Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound If you like listening to music through a surround-sound system with a DSP effect then fine! and you're underlining the point that an audiophile is making, you're listening to music in a way that wasn't normally intended for it to be listened to so the argument then goes that - because of the extra artificial effect applied by the DSP - you're not able to fully appreciate the purity of the music, quality of the music etc that you would otherwise experience from a better quality 2 channel system. There are exceptions to the rule of course and I'm talking here of quad recordings or SACD etc but again these are not very common and aren't in mainstream music recordings, you don't see Quad FM nowadays or you don't see SACD recordings in large numbers at your local record shops. On 27 May 2014, at 9:40 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: Well John, I also find music in surround sound preferable than just stereo for the reasons you mentioned, for the enveloping quality of music done that way. - Original Message - From: John Gurd j.g...@ntlworld.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: RE: listen to music in surround sound I often listen to music in surround sound effect for the sheer enveloping fun of it even though there can be a little loss in quality. I have a fairly old but very good home theatre set up with Bours Wilkins media wall speakers and a Linn Sizmik subwoofer with an Arcam AV600 receiver. Although stereo sounds more dynamic and accurate I often listen to music in surround sound simulation because it does it so well and is kind of magical. A really good Blue ray movie is so involving I've sometimes turned audio description off to get the full effect. The only music recording I have in genuine 5.1 is a recently acquired Pure Audio remaster of the Genesis album Selling England by The Pound. It's wonderful. I can't understand why more great albums haven't been done this way. I've also got an old Logitec Z5500 5.1 speaker set attached to my PC and with that system the surround simulation is far preferable to normal stereo because otherwise there's no real depth to the music. To be honest, though, for convenience, most of the time I just stream audio from my PC or iPhone while I do other things. Incidentally, my pet hate at the moment is the way so many modern recordings have the volume compressed so that all the music is exactly the same level. I'm always trying to turn the music up to try to squeeze a bit more dynamic range out of it which of course doesn't really work. John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Gary Wood Sent: 26 May 2014 16:19 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound I'm sure nobody. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 9:36 AM Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound And who has said that it wasn't? On 27 May 2014, at 12:35 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: That may be true, but it's still a matter of choice, I believe. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 8:19 AM Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound The fact is - whether we like it or not - 99% of the recorded music on the Planet was never recorded for surround-sound systems, it was either recorded in stereo or Mono. On 26 May 2014, at 11:17 pm, brian sackrider n8...@comcast.net wrote: Hi this is Brian Sackrider and it is a matter of prefference on how to listen to music if you listen toyour music in stereo or in surround sound that is your prefference. I used to have a pioneer surround sound system it was the htp 55 and I did like to listen to music in surround sound I liked the concert hall effect and all of the seperation and the acoostic effects. in my opinion that is the only to listen to music in full surround sound you just can't get that kind of sound from stereo speakers iI do like to hear good stereo speakers but there is no compearason to listening to music in surroundsound. On 5/26/2014 2:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point. Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening, you're better off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo speakers for doing things like that and here's their point, for the cost of a surround-sound system you can buy better sound stereo amp and
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Most likely you are I should think, there would be instructions for your system pertaining to what mode does what, if the sound is coming from multiple speakers other than the front stereo speakers then you're using the Digital Signal Processor of your system to create a Surround-Sound DSP effect of some kind for your music. I'm assuming of course that the music you're listening to is standard stereo. On 27 May 2014, at 11:57 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: I'm not really sure that I am listening to music with a DSP effect. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 6:58 PM Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound If you like listening to music through a surround-sound system with a DSP effect then fine! and you're underlining the point that an audiophile is making, you're listening to music in a way that wasn't normally intended for it to be listened to so the argument then goes that - because of the extra artificial effect applied by the DSP - you're not able to fully appreciate the purity of the music, quality of the music etc that you would otherwise experience from a better quality 2 channel system. There are exceptions to the rule of course and I'm talking here of quad recordings or SACD etc but again these are not very common and aren't in mainstream music recordings, you don't see Quad FM nowadays or you don't see SACD recordings in large numbers at your local record shops. On 27 May 2014, at 9:40 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: Well John, I also find music in surround sound preferable than just stereo for the reasons you mentioned, for the enveloping quality of music done that way. - Original Message - From: John Gurd j.g...@ntlworld.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: RE: listen to music in surround sound I often listen to music in surround sound effect for the sheer enveloping fun of it even though there can be a little loss in quality. I have a fairly old but very good home theatre set up with Bours Wilkins media wall speakers and a Linn Sizmik subwoofer with an Arcam AV600 receiver. Although stereo sounds more dynamic and accurate I often listen to music in surround sound simulation because it does it so well and is kind of magical. A really good Blue ray movie is so involving I've sometimes turned audio description off to get the full effect. The only music recording I have in genuine 5.1 is a recently acquired Pure Audio remaster of the Genesis album Selling England by The Pound. It's wonderful. I can't understand why more great albums haven't been done this way. I've also got an old Logitec Z5500 5.1 speaker set attached to my PC and with that system the surround simulation is far preferable to normal stereo because otherwise there's no real depth to the music. To be honest, though, for convenience, most of the time I just stream audio from my PC or iPhone while I do other things. Incidentally, my pet hate at the moment is the way so many modern recordings have the volume compressed so that all the music is exactly the same level. I'm always trying to turn the music up to try to squeeze a bit more dynamic range out of it which of course doesn't really work. John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Gary Wood Sent: 26 May 2014 16:19 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound I'm sure nobody. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 9:36 AM Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound And who has said that it wasn't? On 27 May 2014, at 12:35 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: That may be true, but it's still a matter of choice, I believe. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 8:19 AM Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound The fact is - whether we like it or not - 99% of the recorded music on the Planet was never recorded for surround-sound systems, it was either recorded in stereo or Mono. On 26 May 2014, at 11:17 pm, brian sackrider n8...@comcast.net wrote: Hi this is Brian Sackrider and it is a matter of prefference on how to listen to music if you listen toyour music in stereo or in surround sound that is your prefference. I used to have a pioneer surround sound system it was the htp 55 and I did like to listen to music in surround sound I liked the concert hall effect and all of the seperation and the acoostic effects. in my opinion that is the only to listen to music in full surround sound you just can't get that kind of sound
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To me, listening to music in surround sound doesn't sound simulated at all. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 6:58 PM Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound If you like listening to music through a surround-sound system with a DSP effect then fine! and you're underlining the point that an audiophile is making, you're listening to music in a way that wasn't normally intended for it to be listened to so the argument then goes that - because of the extra artificial effect applied by the DSP - you're not able to fully appreciate the purity of the music, quality of the music etc that you would otherwise experience from a better quality 2 channel system. There are exceptions to the rule of course and I'm talking here of quad recordings or SACD etc but again these are not very common and aren't in mainstream music recordings, you don't see Quad FM nowadays or you don't see SACD recordings in large numbers at your local record shops. On 27 May 2014, at 9:40 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: Well John, I also find music in surround sound preferable than just stereo for the reasons you mentioned, for the enveloping quality of music done that way. - Original Message - From: John Gurd j.g...@ntlworld.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: RE: listen to music in surround sound I often listen to music in surround sound effect for the sheer enveloping fun of it even though there can be a little loss in quality. I have a fairly old but very good home theatre set up with Bours Wilkins media wall speakers and a Linn Sizmik subwoofer with an Arcam AV600 receiver. Although stereo sounds more dynamic and accurate I often listen to music in surround sound simulation because it does it so well and is kind of magical. A really good Blue ray movie is so involving I've sometimes turned audio description off to get the full effect. The only music recording I have in genuine 5.1 is a recently acquired Pure Audio remaster of the Genesis album Selling England by The Pound. It's wonderful. I can't understand why more great albums haven't been done this way. I've also got an old Logitec Z5500 5.1 speaker set attached to my PC and with that system the surround simulation is far preferable to normal stereo because otherwise there's no real depth to the music. To be honest, though, for convenience, most of the time I just stream audio from my PC or iPhone while I do other things. Incidentally, my pet hate at the moment is the way so many modern recordings have the volume compressed so that all the music is exactly the same level. I'm always trying to turn the music up to try to squeeze a bit more dynamic range out of it which of course doesn't really work. John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Gary Wood Sent: 26 May 2014 16:19 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound I'm sure nobody. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 9:36 AM Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound And who has said that it wasn't? On 27 May 2014, at 12:35 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: That may be true, but it's still a matter of choice, I believe. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 8:19 AM Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound The fact is - whether we like it or not - 99% of the recorded music on the Planet was never recorded for surround-sound systems, it was either recorded in stereo or Mono. On 26 May 2014, at 11:17 pm, brian sackrider n8...@comcast.net wrote: Hi this is Brian Sackrider and it is a matter of prefference on how to listen to music if you listen toyour music in stereo or in surround sound that is your prefference. I used to have a pioneer surround sound system it was the htp 55 and I did like to listen to music in surround sound I liked the concert hall effect and all of the seperation and the acoostic effects. in my opinion that is the only to listen to music in full surround sound you just can't get that kind of sound from stereo speakers iI do like to hear good stereo speakers but there is no compearason to listening to music in surroundsound. On 5/26/2014 2:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point. Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening, you're better off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo speakers for doing things like that and here's their point, for the cost of a surround-sound system you can buy better sound stereo amp
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If the sound of stereo music is coming out of multiple channels - say front left-right, centre and rear left-right not to mention sub-woofer - then its simulated surround-sound of some description, an effect created by the Digital Signal Processor - DSP - of your equipment, how that effect is created and how it sounds etc again very much depends on the settings you're using for your system. If I want to listen to music in stereo - on my system at least - I have a few choices, Direct gives you Direct stereo, left and right channels only out of the left and right main speakers, there are other modes you can use which turn off various processors in the system to improve the clarity of the output sound but I won't go into those here as not all systems do this. On 27 May 2014, at 12:03 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: To me, listening to music in surround sound doesn't sound simulated at all. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 6:58 PM Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound If you like listening to music through a surround-sound system with a DSP effect then fine! and you're underlining the point that an audiophile is making, you're listening to music in a way that wasn't normally intended for it to be listened to so the argument then goes that - because of the extra artificial effect applied by the DSP - you're not able to fully appreciate the purity of the music, quality of the music etc that you would otherwise experience from a better quality 2 channel system. There are exceptions to the rule of course and I'm talking here of quad recordings or SACD etc but again these are not very common and aren't in mainstream music recordings, you don't see Quad FM nowadays or you don't see SACD recordings in large numbers at your local record shops. On 27 May 2014, at 9:40 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: Well John, I also find music in surround sound preferable than just stereo for the reasons you mentioned, for the enveloping quality of music done that way. - Original Message - From: John Gurd j.g...@ntlworld.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: RE: listen to music in surround sound I often listen to music in surround sound effect for the sheer enveloping fun of it even though there can be a little loss in quality. I have a fairly old but very good home theatre set up with Bours Wilkins media wall speakers and a Linn Sizmik subwoofer with an Arcam AV600 receiver. Although stereo sounds more dynamic and accurate I often listen to music in surround sound simulation because it does it so well and is kind of magical. A really good Blue ray movie is so involving I've sometimes turned audio description off to get the full effect. The only music recording I have in genuine 5.1 is a recently acquired Pure Audio remaster of the Genesis album Selling England by The Pound. It's wonderful. I can't understand why more great albums haven't been done this way. I've also got an old Logitec Z5500 5.1 speaker set attached to my PC and with that system the surround simulation is far preferable to normal stereo because otherwise there's no real depth to the music. To be honest, though, for convenience, most of the time I just stream audio from my PC or iPhone while I do other things. Incidentally, my pet hate at the moment is the way so many modern recordings have the volume compressed so that all the music is exactly the same level. I'm always trying to turn the music up to try to squeeze a bit more dynamic range out of it which of course doesn't really work. John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Gary Wood Sent: 26 May 2014 16:19 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound I'm sure nobody. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 9:36 AM Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound And who has said that it wasn't? On 27 May 2014, at 12:35 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: That may be true, but it's still a matter of choice, I believe. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 8:19 AM Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound The fact is - whether we like it or not - 99% of the recorded music on the Planet was never recorded for surround-sound systems, it was either recorded in stereo or Mono. On 26 May 2014, at 11:17 pm, brian sackrider n8...@comcast.net wrote: Hi this is Brian Sackrider and it is a matter of prefference on how to listen to music if you listen toyour music in
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Okay...I'll jump in on this; please understand I don't claim to know a whole lot about it, but if one is listening to music in surround sound (and it wasn't originally produced that way) isn't this a little like trying to listen to music in stereo that wasn't recorded that way:? Believe me, I've heard music that was re-enhanced for stereo; for the most part, it just don't get it for me! I love stereo, but all too often, I've heard music that was, shall we say re-channeled (for lack of a better term) to make it _sound_ like it's in stereo; it just doesn't work! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Gary Wood Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:03 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound To me, listening to music in surround sound doesn't sound simulated at all. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 6:58 PM Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound If you like listening to music through a surround-sound system with a DSP effect then fine! and you're underlining the point that an audiophile is making, you're listening to music in a way that wasn't normally intended for it to be listened to so the argument then goes that - because of the extra artificial effect applied by the DSP - you're not able to fully appreciate the purity of the music, quality of the music etc that you would otherwise experience from a better quality 2 channel system. There are exceptions to the rule of course and I'm talking here of quad recordings or SACD etc but again these are not very common and aren't in mainstream music recordings, you don't see Quad FM nowadays or you don't see SACD recordings in large numbers at your local record shops. On 27 May 2014, at 9:40 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: Well John, I also find music in surround sound preferable than just stereo for the reasons you mentioned, for the enveloping quality of music done that way. - Original Message - From: John Gurd j.g...@ntlworld.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: RE: listen to music in surround sound I often listen to music in surround sound effect for the sheer enveloping fun of it even though there can be a little loss in quality. I have a fairly old but very good home theatre set up with Bours Wilkins media wall speakers and a Linn Sizmik subwoofer with an Arcam AV600 receiver. Although stereo sounds more dynamic and accurate I often listen to music in surround sound simulation because it does it so well and is kind of magical. A really good Blue ray movie is so involving I've sometimes turned audio description off to get the full effect. The only music recording I have in genuine 5.1 is a recently acquired Pure Audio remaster of the Genesis album Selling England by The Pound. It's wonderful. I can't understand why more great albums haven't been done this way. I've also got an old Logitec Z5500 5.1 speaker set attached to my PC and with that system the surround simulation is far preferable to normal stereo because otherwise there's no real depth to the music. To be honest, though, for convenience, most of the time I just stream audio from my PC or iPhone while I do other things. Incidentally, my pet hate at the moment is the way so many modern recordings have the volume compressed so that all the music is exactly the same level. I'm always trying to turn the music up to try to squeeze a bit more dynamic range out of it which of course doesn't really work. John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Gary Wood Sent: 26 May 2014 16:19 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound I'm sure nobody. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 9:36 AM Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound And who has said that it wasn't? On 27 May 2014, at 12:35 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: That may be true, but it's still a matter of choice, I believe. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 8:19 AM Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound The fact is - whether we like it or not - 99% of the recorded music on the Planet was never recorded for surround-sound systems, it was either recorded in stereo or Mono. On 26 May 2014, at 11:17 pm, brian sackrider n8...@comcast.net wrote: Hi this is Brian Sackrider and it is a matter of prefference on how to listen to music if you listen toyour music in stereo or in surround sound that is your
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I haven't had the ability to listen in surround sound for a long time. Indeed, most of my experience was with an analog system years ago, made by ADS. And it was awesome. I also had the Carver sonic holography unit, which was good, but not as good as the ads, which actually required two speakers in the rear. The thing is, if you like classical music, full orchestra etc, there is no way you get anything approaching a concert hall experience with two stereo speakers, unless there is some magic happening in the background, ala the Carver holography. I have been impressed with Polk Audio in the past and also with the Magna planar speakers, which I really wanted in the worst way. Talk about 3-dimensional sound! But the listening environment demanded by that set up is not one that your average guy or gal can manage. That's why I' m intrigued by sound bars and various digital signal processing techniques. I want to simulate the concert hall experience in my living-room. And 2 speakers will never do that. Mary
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That's pretty much the case yes, On 27 May 2014, at 12:10 pm, Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net wrote: Okay...I'll jump in on this; please understand I don't claim to know a whole lot about it, but if one is listening to music in surround sound (and it wasn't originally produced that way) isn't this a little like trying to listen to music in stereo that wasn't recorded that way:? Believe me, I've heard music that was re-enhanced for stereo; for the most part, it just don't get it for me! I love stereo, but all too often, I've heard music that was, shall we say re-channeled (for lack of a better term) to make it _sound_ like it's in stereo; it just doesn't work! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Gary Wood Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:03 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound To me, listening to music in surround sound doesn't sound simulated at all. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 6:58 PM Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound If you like listening to music through a surround-sound system with a DSP effect then fine! and you're underlining the point that an audiophile is making, you're listening to music in a way that wasn't normally intended for it to be listened to so the argument then goes that - because of the extra artificial effect applied by the DSP - you're not able to fully appreciate the purity of the music, quality of the music etc that you would otherwise experience from a better quality 2 channel system. There are exceptions to the rule of course and I'm talking here of quad recordings or SACD etc but again these are not very common and aren't in mainstream music recordings, you don't see Quad FM nowadays or you don't see SACD recordings in large numbers at your local record shops. On 27 May 2014, at 9:40 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: Well John, I also find music in surround sound preferable than just stereo for the reasons you mentioned, for the enveloping quality of music done that way. - Original Message - From: John Gurd j.g...@ntlworld.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: RE: listen to music in surround sound I often listen to music in surround sound effect for the sheer enveloping fun of it even though there can be a little loss in quality. I have a fairly old but very good home theatre set up with Bours Wilkins media wall speakers and a Linn Sizmik subwoofer with an Arcam AV600 receiver. Although stereo sounds more dynamic and accurate I often listen to music in surround sound simulation because it does it so well and is kind of magical. A really good Blue ray movie is so involving I've sometimes turned audio description off to get the full effect. The only music recording I have in genuine 5.1 is a recently acquired Pure Audio remaster of the Genesis album Selling England by The Pound. It's wonderful. I can't understand why more great albums haven't been done this way. I've also got an old Logitec Z5500 5.1 speaker set attached to my PC and with that system the surround simulation is far preferable to normal stereo because otherwise there's no real depth to the music. To be honest, though, for convenience, most of the time I just stream audio from my PC or iPhone while I do other things. Incidentally, my pet hate at the moment is the way so many modern recordings have the volume compressed so that all the music is exactly the same level. I'm always trying to turn the music up to try to squeeze a bit more dynamic range out of it which of course doesn't really work. John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Gary Wood Sent: 26 May 2014 16:19 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound I'm sure nobody. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 9:36 AM Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound And who has said that it wasn't? On 27 May 2014, at 12:35 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: That may be true, but it's still a matter of choice, I believe. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 8:19 AM Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound The fact is - whether we like it or not - 99% of the recorded music on the Planet was never recorded for surround-sound systems, it was either recorded in stereo or Mono. On 26 May 2014, at 11:17 pm, brian sackrider n8...@comcast.net wrote: Hi
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Yeah. Sure as hell didn't on the lifestyle V35. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Gary Wood Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:03 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound To me, listening to music in surround sound doesn't sound simulated at all. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 6:58 PM Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound If you like listening to music through a surround-sound system with a DSP effect then fine! and you're underlining the point that an audiophile is making, you're listening to music in a way that wasn't normally intended for it to be listened to so the argument then goes that - because of the extra artificial effect applied by the DSP - you're not able to fully appreciate the purity of the music, quality of the music etc that you would otherwise experience from a better quality 2 channel system. There are exceptions to the rule of course and I'm talking here of quad recordings or SACD etc but again these are not very common and aren't in mainstream music recordings, you don't see Quad FM nowadays or you don't see SACD recordings in large numbers at your local record shops. On 27 May 2014, at 9:40 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: Well John, I also find music in surround sound preferable than just stereo for the reasons you mentioned, for the enveloping quality of music done that way. - Original Message - From: John Gurd j.g...@ntlworld.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: RE: listen to music in surround sound I often listen to music in surround sound effect for the sheer enveloping fun of it even though there can be a little loss in quality. I have a fairly old but very good home theatre set up with Bours Wilkins media wall speakers and a Linn Sizmik subwoofer with an Arcam AV600 receiver. Although stereo sounds more dynamic and accurate I often listen to music in surround sound simulation because it does it so well and is kind of magical. A really good Blue ray movie is so involving I've sometimes turned audio description off to get the full effect. The only music recording I have in genuine 5.1 is a recently acquired Pure Audio remaster of the Genesis album Selling England by The Pound. It's wonderful. I can't understand why more great albums haven't been done this way. I've also got an old Logitec Z5500 5.1 speaker set attached to my PC and with that system the surround simulation is far preferable to normal stereo because otherwise there's no real depth to the music. To be honest, though, for convenience, most of the time I just stream audio from my PC or iPhone while I do other things. Incidentally, my pet hate at the moment is the way so many modern recordings have the volume compressed so that all the music is exactly the same level. I'm always trying to turn the music up to try to squeeze a bit more dynamic range out of it which of course doesn't really work. John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Gary Wood Sent: 26 May 2014 16:19 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound I'm sure nobody. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 9:36 AM Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound And who has said that it wasn't? On 27 May 2014, at 12:35 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: That may be true, but it's still a matter of choice, I believe. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 8:19 AM Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound The fact is - whether we like it or not - 99% of the recorded music on the Planet was never recorded for surround-sound systems, it was either recorded in stereo or Mono. On 26 May 2014, at 11:17 pm, brian sackrider n8...@comcast.net wrote: Hi this is Brian Sackrider and it is a matter of prefference on how to listen to music if you listen toyour music in stereo or in surround sound that is your prefference. I used to have a pioneer surround sound system it was the htp 55 and I did like to listen to music in surround sound I liked the concert hall effect and all of the seperation and the acoostic effects. in my opinion that is the only to listen to music in full surround sound you just can't get that kind of sound from stereo speakers iI do like to hear good stereo speakers but there is no compearason to listening to music in surroundsound. On 5/26/2014 2:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: You're right, they don't
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What you say about the concert hall is right however, in a concert hall the audio is usually in the front of you, that's where the stage is as far as I'm away so that's where the audio usually comes from. The same applies when listening in stereo, the speakers are usually in front of you for good stereo listening. The old analogue Surround-Sound? I still have my original Denon AVR2000 which supported all the Quad modes for front left-right and rear left-right but for the most part the recordings made were not true surround-sound or quad back then, some sort of DSP was needed to decode the source to generate the effect. We've progressed to the point where each channel - in true Surround-Sound or Quad mode - has its own path to each speaker which was unheard of say 20 years ago. If you look at the more expensive Surround-Sound receivers you may even see direct analogue connections for each channel, the cheaper receivers use the HDMI connection to decode each channel digitally. I have a whole heap of CD'S - SACD, Quad and Video Audio - which make full use of the direct channel paths, the Quad CD'S I did myself, I mastered them from Quad Carts - the old 8 track cartridges, versions of them came out that used a track for each channel in the quad recording -. On 27 May 2014, at 12:21 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: I haven't had the ability to listen in surround sound for a long time. Indeed, most of my experience was with an analog system years ago, made by ADS. And it was awesome. I also had the Carver sonic holography unit, which was good, but not as good as the ads, which actually required two speakers in the rear. The thing is, if you like classical music, full orchestra etc, there is no way you get anything approaching a concert hall experience with two stereo speakers, unless there is some magic happening in the background, ala the Carver holography. I have been impressed with Polk Audio in the past and also with the Magna planar speakers, which I really wanted in the worst way. Talk about 3-dimensional sound! But the listening environment demanded by that set up is not one that your average guy or gal can manage. That's why I' m intrigued by sound bars and various digital signal processing techniques. I want to simulate the concert hall experience in my living-room. And 2 speakers will never do that. Mary ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
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Yes, of course, the audio source is on the stage, which is in front of you. But your living-room does not come close to approximating the dimensions of even a small concert hall. So that's where the dsp and magic of multiple speakers comes in. I don't pretend to know how they do it. But I know that even my old ADS analog time delay system did wonderous things for lps of classical music. It came a lot closer to the concert hall experience than just a two-channel set up in my living-room. Mary On Tue, 27 May 2014 12:30:11 +1000, Dane Trethowan wrote: What you say about the concert hall is right however, in a concert hall the audio is usually in the front of you, that's where the stage is as far as I'm away so that's where the audio usually comes from. The same applies when listening in stereo, the speakers are usually in front of you for good stereo listening. The old analogue Surround-Sound? I still have my original Denon AVR2000 which supported all the Quad modes for front left-right and rear left-right but for the most part the recordings made were not true surround-sound or quad back then, some sort of DSP was needed to decode the source to generate the effect. We've progressed to the point where each channel - in true Surround-Sound or Quad mode - has its own path to each speaker which was unheard of say 20 years ago. If you look at the more expensive Surround-Sound receivers you may even see direct analogue connections for each channel, the cheaper receivers use the HDMI connection to decode each channel digitally. I have a whole heap of CD'S - SACD, Quad and Video Audio - which make full use of the direct channel paths, the Quad CD'S I did myself, I mastered them from Quad Carts - the old 8 track cartridges, versions of them came out that used a track for each channel in the quad recording -. On 27 May 2014, at 12:21 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: I haven't had the ability to listen in surround sound for a long time. Indeed, most of my experience was with an analog system years ago, made by ADS. And it was awesome. I also had the Carver sonic holography unit, which was good, but not as good as the ads, which actually required two speakers in the rear. The thing is, if you like classical music, full orchestra etc, there is no way you get anything approaching a concert hall experience with two stereo speakers, unless there is some magic happening in the background, ala the Carver holography. I have been impressed with Polk Audio in the past and also with the Magna planar speakers, which I really wanted in the worst way. Talk about 3-dimensional sound! But the listening environment demanded by that set up is not one that your average guy or gal can manage. That's why I' m intrigued by sound bars and various digital signal processing techniques. I want to simulate the concert hall experience in my living-room. And 2 speakers will never do that. Mary ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
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Even so, music for the most part is not recorded to take advantage of the concert hall effect, even on our classical stations here its just recorded in plain old fashioned stereo and I ought to know smile. On 27 May 2014, at 12:38 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: Yes, of course, the audio source is on the stage, which is in front of you. But your living-room does not come close to approximating the dimensions of even a small concert hall. So that's where the dsp and magic of multiple speakers comes in. I don't pretend to know how they do it. But I know that even my old ADS analog time delay system did wonderous things for lps of classical music. It came a lot closer to the concert hall experience than just a two-channel set up in my living-room. Mary On Tue, 27 May 2014 12:30:11 +1000, Dane Trethowan wrote: What you say about the concert hall is right however, in a concert hall the audio is usually in the front of you, that's where the stage is as far as I'm away so that's where the audio usually comes from. The same applies when listening in stereo, the speakers are usually in front of you for good stereo listening. The old analogue Surround-Sound? I still have my original Denon AVR2000 which supported all the Quad modes for front left-right and rear left-right but for the most part the recordings made were not true surround-sound or quad back then, some sort of DSP was needed to decode the source to generate the effect. We've progressed to the point where each channel - in true Surround-Sound or Quad mode - has its own path to each speaker which was unheard of say 20 years ago. If you look at the more expensive Surround-Sound receivers you may even see direct analogue connections for each channel, the cheaper receivers use the HDMI connection to decode each channel digitally. I have a whole heap of CD'S - SACD, Quad and Video Audio - which make full use of the direct channel paths, the Quad CD'S I did myself, I mastered them from Quad Carts - the old 8 track cartridges, versions of them came out that used a track for each channel in the quad recording -. On 27 May 2014, at 12:21 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: I haven't had the ability to listen in surround sound for a long time. Indeed, most of my experience was with an analog system years ago, made by ADS. And it was awesome. I also had the Carver sonic holography unit, which was good, but not as good as the ads, which actually required two speakers in the rear. The thing is, if you like classical music, full orchestra etc, there is no way you get anything approaching a concert hall experience with two stereo speakers, unless there is some magic happening in the background, ala the Carver holography. I have been impressed with Polk Audio in the past and also with the Magna planar speakers, which I really wanted in the worst way. Talk about 3-dimensional sound! But the listening environment demanded by that set up is not one that your average guy or gal can manage. That's why I' m intrigued by sound bars and various digital signal processing techniques. I want to simulate the concert hall experience in my living-room. And 2 speakers will never do that. Mary ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
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I must confess that I've never to this day heard surround-sound; in some ways, I'd like to hear what it sounds like; aw but then I'd probably want it and it's just not practical in this house! It might be that someday I'll investigate getting a sound bar for the TV in the living room; that should help some as it's _got_ to sound better than the sound I get from the TV now; not that it's absolutely terrible or anything like that; my major complaint is that the sound tends to make the television vibrate; that's annoying! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:43 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound Even so, music for the most part is not recorded to take advantage of the concert hall effect, even on our classical stations here its just recorded in plain old fashioned stereo and I ought to know smile. On 27 May 2014, at 12:38 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: Yes, of course, the audio source is on the stage, which is in front of you. But your living-room does not come close to approximating the dimensions of even a small concert hall. So that's where the dsp and magic of multiple speakers comes in. I don't pretend to know how they do it. But I know that even my old ADS analog time delay system did wonderous things for lps of classical music. It came a lot closer to the concert hall experience than just a two-channel set up in my living-room. Mary On Tue, 27 May 2014 12:30:11 +1000, Dane Trethowan wrote: What you say about the concert hall is right however, in a concert hall the audio is usually in the front of you, that's where the stage is as far as I'm away so that's where the audio usually comes from. The same applies when listening in stereo, the speakers are usually in front of you for good stereo listening. The old analogue Surround-Sound? I still have my original Denon AVR2000 which supported all the Quad modes for front left-right and rear left-right but for the most part the recordings made were not true surround-sound or quad back then, some sort of DSP was needed to decode the source to generate the effect. We've progressed to the point where each channel - in true Surround-Sound or Quad mode - has its own path to each speaker which was unheard of say 20 years ago. If you look at the more expensive Surround-Sound receivers you may even see direct analogue connections for each channel, the cheaper receivers use the HDMI connection to decode each channel digitally. I have a whole heap of CD'S - SACD, Quad and Video Audio - which make full use of the direct channel paths, the Quad CD'S I did myself, I mastered them from Quad Carts - the old 8 track cartridges, versions of them came out that used a track for each channel in the quad recording -. On 27 May 2014, at 12:21 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: I haven't had the ability to listen in surround sound for a long time. Indeed, most of my experience was with an analog system years ago, made by ADS. And it was awesome. I also had the Carver sonic holography unit, which was good, but not as good as the ads, which actually required two speakers in the rear. The thing is, if you like classical music, full orchestra etc, there is no way you get anything approaching a concert hall experience with two stereo speakers, unless there is some magic happening in the background, ala the Carver holography. I have been impressed with Polk Audio in the past and also with the Magna planar speakers, which I really wanted in the worst way. Talk about 3-dimensional sound! But the listening environment demanded by that set up is not one that your average guy or gal can manage. That's why I' m intrigued by sound bars and various digital signal processing techniques. I want to simulate the concert hall experience in my living-room. And 2 speakers will never do that. Mary ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Sample Of Bose Soundlink Air
As requested. This sample was taken from Sky.Fm's Up Tempo Smooth Jazz Channel using the Sky.FM App for IOS, I then used AirPlay on the iPhone to stream the content from the iPhone to the Bose Soundlink Air and this is the result. I've made the sample available in 2 formats as follows. Flac https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10565527/Soundlink%20Air%20Sample.flac MP3 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10565527/Soundlink%20Air%20Sample.mp3 If link doesn't work the first time then try again in a few minutes, file may still be uploading to Dropbox. ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
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I'd be quite surprised if you've never heard surround-sound before, I'm sure you've been to a movie theatre? On 27 May 2014, at 1:06 pm, Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net wrote: I must confess that I've never to this day heard surround-sound; in some ways, I'd like to hear what it sounds like; aw but then I'd probably want it and it's just not practical in this house! It might be that someday I'll investigate getting a sound bar for the TV in the living room; that should help some as it's _got_ to sound better than the sound I get from the TV now; not that it's absolutely terrible or anything like that; my major complaint is that the sound tends to make the television vibrate; that's annoying! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:43 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound Even so, music for the most part is not recorded to take advantage of the concert hall effect, even on our classical stations here its just recorded in plain old fashioned stereo and I ought to know smile. On 27 May 2014, at 12:38 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: Yes, of course, the audio source is on the stage, which is in front of you. But your living-room does not come close to approximating the dimensions of even a small concert hall. So that's where the dsp and magic of multiple speakers comes in. I don't pretend to know how they do it. But I know that even my old ADS analog time delay system did wonderous things for lps of classical music. It came a lot closer to the concert hall experience than just a two-channel set up in my living-room. Mary On Tue, 27 May 2014 12:30:11 +1000, Dane Trethowan wrote: What you say about the concert hall is right however, in a concert hall the audio is usually in the front of you, that's where the stage is as far as I'm away so that's where the audio usually comes from. The same applies when listening in stereo, the speakers are usually in front of you for good stereo listening. The old analogue Surround-Sound? I still have my original Denon AVR2000 which supported all the Quad modes for front left-right and rear left-right but for the most part the recordings made were not true surround-sound or quad back then, some sort of DSP was needed to decode the source to generate the effect. We've progressed to the point where each channel - in true Surround-Sound or Quad mode - has its own path to each speaker which was unheard of say 20 years ago. If you look at the more expensive Surround-Sound receivers you may even see direct analogue connections for each channel, the cheaper receivers use the HDMI connection to decode each channel digitally. I have a whole heap of CD'S - SACD, Quad and Video Audio - which make full use of the direct channel paths, the Quad CD'S I did myself, I mastered them from Quad Carts - the old 8 track cartridges, versions of them came out that used a track for each channel in the quad recording -. On 27 May 2014, at 12:21 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: I haven't had the ability to listen in surround sound for a long time. Indeed, most of my experience was with an analog system years ago, made by ADS. And it was awesome. I also had the Carver sonic holography unit, which was good, but not as good as the ads, which actually required two speakers in the rear. The thing is, if you like classical music, full orchestra etc, there is no way you get anything approaching a concert hall experience with two stereo speakers, unless there is some magic happening in the background, ala the Carver holography. I have been impressed with Polk Audio in the past and also with the Magna planar speakers, which I really wanted in the worst way. Talk about 3-dimensional sound! But the listening environment demanded by that set up is not one that your average guy or gal can manage. That's why I' m intrigued by sound bars and various digital signal processing techniques. I want to simulate the concert hall experience in my living-room. And 2 speakers will never do that. Mary ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: listen to music in surround sound
You'd be surprised just how practical Surround-Sound or at least the effects can be in any room, that's why Soundbars and so forth have been invented, you just put the unit in your room at let the DSP do its thing. On 27 May 2014, at 1:06 pm, Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net wrote: I must confess that I've never to this day heard surround-sound; in some ways, I'd like to hear what it sounds like; aw but then I'd probably want it and it's just not practical in this house! It might be that someday I'll investigate getting a sound bar for the TV in the living room; that should help some as it's _got_ to sound better than the sound I get from the TV now; not that it's absolutely terrible or anything like that; my major complaint is that the sound tends to make the television vibrate; that's annoying! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:43 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound Even so, music for the most part is not recorded to take advantage of the concert hall effect, even on our classical stations here its just recorded in plain old fashioned stereo and I ought to know smile. On 27 May 2014, at 12:38 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: Yes, of course, the audio source is on the stage, which is in front of you. But your living-room does not come close to approximating the dimensions of even a small concert hall. So that's where the dsp and magic of multiple speakers comes in. I don't pretend to know how they do it. But I know that even my old ADS analog time delay system did wonderous things for lps of classical music. It came a lot closer to the concert hall experience than just a two-channel set up in my living-room. Mary On Tue, 27 May 2014 12:30:11 +1000, Dane Trethowan wrote: What you say about the concert hall is right however, in a concert hall the audio is usually in the front of you, that's where the stage is as far as I'm away so that's where the audio usually comes from. The same applies when listening in stereo, the speakers are usually in front of you for good stereo listening. The old analogue Surround-Sound? I still have my original Denon AVR2000 which supported all the Quad modes for front left-right and rear left-right but for the most part the recordings made were not true surround-sound or quad back then, some sort of DSP was needed to decode the source to generate the effect. We've progressed to the point where each channel - in true Surround-Sound or Quad mode - has its own path to each speaker which was unheard of say 20 years ago. If you look at the more expensive Surround-Sound receivers you may even see direct analogue connections for each channel, the cheaper receivers use the HDMI connection to decode each channel digitally. I have a whole heap of CD'S - SACD, Quad and Video Audio - which make full use of the direct channel paths, the Quad CD'S I did myself, I mastered them from Quad Carts - the old 8 track cartridges, versions of them came out that used a track for each channel in the quad recording -. On 27 May 2014, at 12:21 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: I haven't had the ability to listen in surround sound for a long time. Indeed, most of my experience was with an analog system years ago, made by ADS. And it was awesome. I also had the Carver sonic holography unit, which was good, but not as good as the ads, which actually required two speakers in the rear. The thing is, if you like classical music, full orchestra etc, there is no way you get anything approaching a concert hall experience with two stereo speakers, unless there is some magic happening in the background, ala the Carver holography. I have been impressed with Polk Audio in the past and also with the Magna planar speakers, which I really wanted in the worst way. Talk about 3-dimensional sound! But the listening environment demanded by that set up is not one that your average guy or gal can manage. That's why I' m intrigued by sound bars and various digital signal processing techniques. I want to simulate the concert hall experience in my living-room. And 2 speakers will never do that. Mary ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter:
Re: listen to music in surround sound
Good point, Mary. - Original Message - From: Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 9:21 PM Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound I haven't had the ability to listen in surround sound for a long time. Indeed, most of my experience was with an analog system years ago, made by ADS. And it was awesome. I also had the Carver sonic holography unit, which was good, but not as good as the ads, which actually required two speakers in the rear. The thing is, if you like classical music, full orchestra etc, there is no way you get anything approaching a concert hall experience with two stereo speakers, unless there is some magic happening in the background, ala the Carver holography. I have been impressed with Polk Audio in the past and also with the Magna planar speakers, which I really wanted in the worst way. Talk about 3-dimensional sound! But the listening environment demanded by that set up is not one that your average guy or gal can manage. That's why I' m intrigued by sound bars and various digital signal processing techniques. I want to simulate the concert hall experience in my living-room. And 2 speakers will never do that. Mary
Re: listen to music in surround sound
Well Tom, one thing I did, I collected old-time radio tapes for several years during the 80's. I used a graphics equalizer at the time, and I created a stereo effect by puttinng one voice on the left channel by raising the left lever, and for the other person, I raised the right lever to give that effect, and it amazed me when listening to it later, even though I knew what I had done. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 9:21 PM Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound That's pretty much the case yes, On 27 May 2014, at 12:10 pm, Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net wrote: Okay...I'll jump in on this; please understand I don't claim to know a whole lot about it, but if one is listening to music in surround sound (and it wasn't originally produced that way) isn't this a little like trying to listen to music in stereo that wasn't recorded that way:? Believe me, I've heard music that was re-enhanced for stereo; for the most part, it just don't get it for me! I love stereo, but all too often, I've heard music that was, shall we say re-channeled (for lack of a better term) to make it _sound_ like it's in stereo; it just doesn't work! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Gary Wood Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:03 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound To me, listening to music in surround sound doesn't sound simulated at all. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 6:58 PM Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound If you like listening to music through a surround-sound system with a DSP effect then fine! and you're underlining the point that an audiophile is making, you're listening to music in a way that wasn't normally intended for it to be listened to so the argument then goes that - because of the extra artificial effect applied by the DSP - you're not able to fully appreciate the purity of the music, quality of the music etc that you would otherwise experience from a better quality 2 channel system. There are exceptions to the rule of course and I'm talking here of quad recordings or SACD etc but again these are not very common and aren't in mainstream music recordings, you don't see Quad FM nowadays or you don't see SACD recordings in large numbers at your local record shops. On 27 May 2014, at 9:40 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: Well John, I also find music in surround sound preferable than just stereo for the reasons you mentioned, for the enveloping quality of music done that way. - Original Message - From: John Gurd j.g...@ntlworld.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: RE: listen to music in surround sound I often listen to music in surround sound effect for the sheer enveloping fun of it even though there can be a little loss in quality. I have a fairly old but very good home theatre set up with Bours Wilkins media wall speakers and a Linn Sizmik subwoofer with an Arcam AV600 receiver. Although stereo sounds more dynamic and accurate I often listen to music in surround sound simulation because it does it so well and is kind of magical. A really good Blue ray movie is so involving I've sometimes turned audio description off to get the full effect. The only music recording I have in genuine 5.1 is a recently acquired Pure Audio remaster of the Genesis album Selling England by The Pound. It's wonderful. I can't understand why more great albums haven't been done this way. I've also got an old Logitec Z5500 5.1 speaker set attached to my PC and with that system the surround simulation is far preferable to normal stereo because otherwise there's no real depth to the music. To be honest, though, for convenience, most of the time I just stream audio from my PC or iPhone while I do other things. Incidentally, my pet hate at the moment is the way so many modern recordings have the volume compressed so that all the music is exactly the same level. I'm always trying to turn the music up to try to squeeze a bit more dynamic range out of it which of course doesn't really work. John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Gary Wood Sent: 26 May 2014 16:19 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound I'm sure nobody. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 9:36 AM Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound And who has said that it wasn't? On 27 May 2014, at 12:35 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: That may be true, but it's still a matter of
Re: listen to music in surround sound
AAnother thing: It would seem that having the stage in front of you would be stereo, liike Dane says, but I remember being in the band in school, and our music surrounded us, and especially when we were in the marching band. I like to feel like I'm in the middle of my music, rather than in back of it. - Original Message - From: Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 9:38 PM Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound Yes, of course, the audio source is on the stage, which is in front of you. But your living-room does not come close to approximating the dimensions of even a small concert hall. So that's where the dsp and magic of multiple speakers comes in. I don't pretend to know how they do it. But I know that even my old ADS analog time delay system did wonderous things for lps of classical music. It came a lot closer to the concert hall experience than just a two-channel set up in my living-room. Mary On Tue, 27 May 2014 12:30:11 +1000, Dane Trethowan wrote: What you say about the concert hall is right however, in a concert hall the audio is usually in the front of you, that's where the stage is as far as I'm away so that's where the audio usually comes from. The same applies when listening in stereo, the speakers are usually in front of you for good stereo listening. The old analogue Surround-Sound? I still have my original Denon AVR2000 which supported all the Quad modes for front left-right and rear left-right but for the most part the recordings made were not true surround-sound or quad back then, some sort of DSP was needed to decode the source to generate the effect. We've progressed to the point where each channel - in true Surround-Sound or Quad mode - has its own path to each speaker which was unheard of say 20 years ago. If you look at the more expensive Surround-Sound receivers you may even see direct analogue connections for each channel, the cheaper receivers use the HDMI connection to decode each channel digitally. I have a whole heap of CD'S - SACD, Quad and Video Audio - which make full use of the direct channel paths, the Quad CD'S I did myself, I mastered them from Quad Carts - the old 8 track cartridges, versions of them came out that used a track for each channel in the quad recording -. On 27 May 2014, at 12:21 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: I haven't had the ability to listen in surround sound for a long time. Indeed, most of my experience was with an analog system years ago, made by ADS. And it was awesome. I also had the Carver sonic holography unit, which was good, but not as good as the ads, which actually required two speakers in the rear. The thing is, if you like classical music, full orchestra etc, there is no way you get anything approaching a concert hall experience with two stereo speakers, unless there is some magic happening in the background, ala the Carver holography. I have been impressed with Polk Audio in the past and also with the Magna planar speakers, which I really wanted in the worst way. Talk about 3-dimensional sound! But the listening environment demanded by that set up is not one that your average guy or gal can manage. That's why I' m intrigued by sound bars and various digital signal processing techniques. I want to simulate the concert hall experience in my living-room. And 2 speakers will never do that. Mary ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: listen to music in surround sound
What you're doing is pretty much the sort of thing a modern day DSP is capable of in a Surround-Sound system so try this when you get a moment. Get one of those old time radio shows and play it on your Surround-Sound system but set the mode to Mono Movie or similar, try different modes and see what happens or - depending on your system - you can adjust the effect levels to your need. On 27 May 2014, at 1:35 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: Well Tom, one thing I did, I collected old-time radio tapes for several years during the 80's. I used a graphics equalizer at the time, and I created a stereo effect by puttinng one voice on the left channel by raising the left lever, and for the other person, I raised the right lever to give that effect, and it amazed me when listening to it later, even though I knew what I had done. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 9:21 PM Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound That's pretty much the case yes, On 27 May 2014, at 12:10 pm, Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net wrote: Okay...I'll jump in on this; please understand I don't claim to know a whole lot about it, but if one is listening to music in surround sound (and it wasn't originally produced that way) isn't this a little like trying to listen to music in stereo that wasn't recorded that way:? Believe me, I've heard music that was re-enhanced for stereo; for the most part, it just don't get it for me! I love stereo, but all too often, I've heard music that was, shall we say re-channeled (for lack of a better term) to make it _sound_ like it's in stereo; it just doesn't work! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Gary Wood Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:03 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound To me, listening to music in surround sound doesn't sound simulated at all. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 6:58 PM Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound If you like listening to music through a surround-sound system with a DSP effect then fine! and you're underlining the point that an audiophile is making, you're listening to music in a way that wasn't normally intended for it to be listened to so the argument then goes that - because of the extra artificial effect applied by the DSP - you're not able to fully appreciate the purity of the music, quality of the music etc that you would otherwise experience from a better quality 2 channel system. There are exceptions to the rule of course and I'm talking here of quad recordings or SACD etc but again these are not very common and aren't in mainstream music recordings, you don't see Quad FM nowadays or you don't see SACD recordings in large numbers at your local record shops. On 27 May 2014, at 9:40 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: Well John, I also find music in surround sound preferable than just stereo for the reasons you mentioned, for the enveloping quality of music done that way. - Original Message - From: John Gurd j.g...@ntlworld.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: RE: listen to music in surround sound I often listen to music in surround sound effect for the sheer enveloping fun of it even though there can be a little loss in quality. I have a fairly old but very good home theatre set up with Bours Wilkins media wall speakers and a Linn Sizmik subwoofer with an Arcam AV600 receiver. Although stereo sounds more dynamic and accurate I often listen to music in surround sound simulation because it does it so well and is kind of magical. A really good Blue ray movie is so involving I've sometimes turned audio description off to get the full effect. The only music recording I have in genuine 5.1 is a recently acquired Pure Audio remaster of the Genesis album Selling England by The Pound. It's wonderful. I can't understand why more great albums haven't been done this way. I've also got an old Logitec Z5500 5.1 speaker set attached to my PC and with that system the surround simulation is far preferable to normal stereo because otherwise there's no real depth to the music. To be honest, though, for convenience, most of the time I just stream audio from my PC or iPhone while I do other things. Incidentally, my pet hate at the moment is the way so many modern recordings have the volume compressed so that all the music is exactly the same level. I'm always trying to turn the music up to try to squeeze a bit more dynamic range out of it which of course doesn't really work. John -Original Message- From:
Re: listen to music in surround sound
Well I live in apartment, so I don't have room for both a good stereo system for music, and a surround system for TV and movies. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:10 PM Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound You'd be surprised just how practical Surround-Sound or at least the effects can be in any room, that's why Soundbars and so forth have been invented, you just put the unit in your room at let the DSP do its thing. On 27 May 2014, at 1:06 pm, Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net wrote: I must confess that I've never to this day heard surround-sound; in some ways, I'd like to hear what it sounds like; aw but then I'd probably want it and it's just not practical in this house! It might be that someday I'll investigate getting a sound bar for the TV in the living room; that should help some as it's _got_ to sound better than the sound I get from the TV now; not that it's absolutely terrible or anything like that; my major complaint is that the sound tends to make the television vibrate; that's annoying! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:43 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound Even so, music for the most part is not recorded to take advantage of the concert hall effect, even on our classical stations here its just recorded in plain old fashioned stereo and I ought to know smile. On 27 May 2014, at 12:38 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: Yes, of course, the audio source is on the stage, which is in front of you. But your living-room does not come close to approximating the dimensions of even a small concert hall. So that's where the dsp and magic of multiple speakers comes in. I don't pretend to know how they do it. But I know that even my old ADS analog time delay system did wonderous things for lps of classical music. It came a lot closer to the concert hall experience than just a two-channel set up in my living-room. Mary On Tue, 27 May 2014 12:30:11 +1000, Dane Trethowan wrote: What you say about the concert hall is right however, in a concert hall the audio is usually in the front of you, that's where the stage is as far as I'm away so that's where the audio usually comes from. The same applies when listening in stereo, the speakers are usually in front of you for good stereo listening. The old analogue Surround-Sound? I still have my original Denon AVR2000 which supported all the Quad modes for front left-right and rear left-right but for the most part the recordings made were not true surround-sound or quad back then, some sort of DSP was needed to decode the source to generate the effect. We've progressed to the point where each channel - in true Surround-Sound or Quad mode - has its own path to each speaker which was unheard of say 20 years ago. If you look at the more expensive Surround-Sound receivers you may even see direct analogue connections for each channel, the cheaper receivers use the HDMI connection to decode each channel digitally. I have a whole heap of CD'S - SACD, Quad and Video Audio - which make full use of the direct channel paths, the Quad CD'S I did myself, I mastered them from Quad Carts - the old 8 track cartridges, versions of them came out that used a track for each channel in the quad recording -. On 27 May 2014, at 12:21 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: I haven't had the ability to listen in surround sound for a long time. Indeed, most of my experience was with an analog system years ago, made by ADS. And it was awesome. I also had the Carver sonic holography unit, which was good, but not as good as the ads, which actually required two speakers in the rear. The thing is, if you like classical music, full orchestra etc, there is no way you get anything approaching a concert hall experience with two stereo speakers, unless there is some magic happening in the background, ala the Carver holography. I have been impressed with Polk Audio in the past and also with the Magna planar speakers, which I really wanted in the worst way. Talk about 3-dimensional sound! But the listening environment demanded by that set up is not one that your average guy or gal can manage. That's why I' m intrigued by sound bars and various digital signal processing techniques. I want to simulate the concert hall experience in my living-room. And 2 speakers will never do that. Mary ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime
Re: Sample Of Bose Soundlink Air
Thanks. I think I'll go there and listen. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:08 PM Subject: Sample Of Bose Soundlink Air As requested. This sample was taken from Sky.Fm's Up Tempo Smooth Jazz Channel using the Sky.FM App for IOS, I then used AirPlay on the iPhone to stream the content from the iPhone to the Bose Soundlink Air and this is the result. I've made the sample available in 2 formats as follows. Flac https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10565527/Soundlink%20Air%20Sample.flac MP3 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10565527/Soundlink%20Air%20Sample.mp3 If link doesn't work the first time then try again in a few minutes, file may still be uploading to Dropbox. ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
RE: listen to music in surround sound
Well call me a purest, but I just don't know if that type of thing would do it for me! If I'm going to listen to OTR, I think I'd prefer to hear it as I would have heard it on a big ole radio like they had back then! Having said that, maybe it'd be fun to hear what it would sound like...you know; just for the fun of it! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Gary Wood Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 11:36 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound Well Tom, one thing I did, I collected old-time radio tapes for several years during the 80's. I used a graphics equalizer at the time, and I created a stereo effect by puttinng one voice on the left channel by raising the left lever, and for the other person, I raised the right lever to give that effect, and it amazed me when listening to it later, even though I knew what I had done. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 9:21 PM Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound That's pretty much the case yes, On 27 May 2014, at 12:10 pm, Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net wrote: Okay...I'll jump in on this; please understand I don't claim to know a whole lot about it, but if one is listening to music in surround sound (and it wasn't originally produced that way) isn't this a little like trying to listen to music in stereo that wasn't recorded that way:? Believe me, I've heard music that was re-enhanced for stereo; for the most part, it just don't get it for me! I love stereo, but all too often, I've heard music that was, shall we say re-channeled (for lack of a better term) to make it _sound_ like it's in stereo; it just doesn't work! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Gary Wood Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:03 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound To me, listening to music in surround sound doesn't sound simulated at all. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 6:58 PM Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound If you like listening to music through a surround-sound system with a DSP effect then fine! and you're underlining the point that an audiophile is making, you're listening to music in a way that wasn't normally intended for it to be listened to so the argument then goes that - because of the extra artificial effect applied by the DSP - you're not able to fully appreciate the purity of the music, quality of the music etc that you would otherwise experience from a better quality 2 channel system. There are exceptions to the rule of course and I'm talking here of quad recordings or SACD etc but again these are not very common and aren't in mainstream music recordings, you don't see Quad FM nowadays or you don't see SACD recordings in large numbers at your local record shops. On 27 May 2014, at 9:40 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: Well John, I also find music in surround sound preferable than just stereo for the reasons you mentioned, for the enveloping quality of music done that way. - Original Message - From: John Gurd j.g...@ntlworld.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: RE: listen to music in surround sound I often listen to music in surround sound effect for the sheer enveloping fun of it even though there can be a little loss in quality. I have a fairly old but very good home theatre set up with Bours Wilkins media wall speakers and a Linn Sizmik subwoofer with an Arcam AV600 receiver. Although stereo sounds more dynamic and accurate I often listen to music in surround sound simulation because it does it so well and is kind of magical. A really good Blue ray movie is so involving I've sometimes turned audio description off to get the full effect. The only music recording I have in genuine 5.1 is a recently acquired Pure Audio remaster of the Genesis album Selling England by The Pound. It's wonderful. I can't understand why more great albums haven't been done this way. I've also got an old Logitec Z5500 5.1 speaker set attached to my PC and with that system the surround simulation is far preferable to normal stereo because otherwise there's no real depth to the music. To be honest, though, for convenience, most of the time I just stream audio from my PC or iPhone while I do other things. Incidentally, my pet hate at the moment is the way so many modern recordings have the volume compressed so that all the music is exactly the same level. I'm always trying to turn the music up to try to squeeze a bit more dynamic range out of it
RE: listen to music in surround sound
Believe it or not, I can't remember the last time I went to a movie theater to see a movie! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 11:10 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound I'd be quite surprised if you've never heard surround-sound before, I'm sure you've been to a movie theatre? On 27 May 2014, at 1:06 pm, Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net wrote: I must confess that I've never to this day heard surround-sound; in some ways, I'd like to hear what it sounds like; aw but then I'd probably want it and it's just not practical in this house! It might be that someday I'll investigate getting a sound bar for the TV in the living room; that should help some as it's _got_ to sound better than the sound I get from the TV now; not that it's absolutely terrible or anything like that; my major complaint is that the sound tends to make the television vibrate; that's annoying! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:43 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound Even so, music for the most part is not recorded to take advantage of the concert hall effect, even on our classical stations here its just recorded in plain old fashioned stereo and I ought to know smile. On 27 May 2014, at 12:38 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: Yes, of course, the audio source is on the stage, which is in front of you. But your living-room does not come close to approximating the dimensions of even a small concert hall. So that's where the dsp and magic of multiple speakers comes in. I don't pretend to know how they do it. But I know that even my old ADS analog time delay system did wonderous things for lps of classical music. It came a lot closer to the concert hall experience than just a two-channel set up in my living-room. Mary On Tue, 27 May 2014 12:30:11 +1000, Dane Trethowan wrote: What you say about the concert hall is right however, in a concert hall the audio is usually in the front of you, that's where the stage is as far as I'm away so that's where the audio usually comes from. The same applies when listening in stereo, the speakers are usually in front of you for good stereo listening. The old analogue Surround-Sound? I still have my original Denon AVR2000 which supported all the Quad modes for front left-right and rear left-right but for the most part the recordings made were not true surround-sound or quad back then, some sort of DSP was needed to decode the source to generate the effect. We've progressed to the point where each channel - in true Surround-Sound or Quad mode - has its own path to each speaker which was unheard of say 20 years ago. If you look at the more expensive Surround-Sound receivers you may even see direct analogue connections for each channel, the cheaper receivers use the HDMI connection to decode each channel digitally. I have a whole heap of CD'S - SACD, Quad and Video Audio - which make full use of the direct channel paths, the Quad CD'S I did myself, I mastered them from Quad Carts - the old 8 track cartridges, versions of them came out that used a track for each channel in the quad recording -. On 27 May 2014, at 12:21 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: I haven't had the ability to listen in surround sound for a long time. Indeed, most of my experience was with an analog system years ago, made by ADS. And it was awesome. I also had the Carver sonic holography unit, which was good, but not as good as the ads, which actually required two speakers in the rear. The thing is, if you like classical music, full orchestra etc, there is no way you get anything approaching a concert hall experience with two stereo speakers, unless there is some magic happening in the background, ala the Carver holography. I have been impressed with Polk Audio in the past and also with the Magna planar speakers, which I really wanted in the worst way. Talk about 3-dimensional sound! But the listening environment demanded by that set up is not one that your average guy or gal can manage. That's why I' m intrigued by sound bars and various digital signal processing techniques. I want to simulate the concert hall experience in my living-room. And 2 speakers will never do that. Mary ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954
