Re: Sony Android TV Was Apple TV 4th Gen

[Dane Trethowan]

Oh by the way, you'll know a Sony Android Smart TV as the TV - at least 
in Australia anyway - has something like "Sony Android Smart TV" 
advertised/stamped on it.




On 17/02/2016 4:15 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

I'm on a very high traffic android list, and there has lately been
discussion of android tv boxes, but not an actual tv set, on that list.
People have had issues making certain services that are not  directly
from google, such as Netflix, work at all with talkback.  Devices
discussed include the nexus, Shield and another one that is something
like metracom, but I'm sure I've got that spelled wrong. How much did
this Sony android set set you back? No pun intended.

Mary




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Re: Sony Android TV Was Apple TV 4th Gen

[Dane Trethowan]

Great Pun Mary, enjoyed it .

I don't want to sound difficult but I'd rather not mention a price given 
the Australian Dollar is very low compared to the U.S. dollar and also 
for the fact that their may be far more Android TV'S available in the 
U.S. than in Australia - in fact I'm very sure of that -.


The model I'm getting is a 50 inch model and it has multiple 
inputs/outputs, an audio line-out for example plus digital out and HDMI.


You can also use a Bluetooth keyboard, Mouse or Airpad depending on your 
preference, personally I like to have all 3 devices on hand depending on 
what App I'm running obviously.


I don't know of the other boxes you've mentioned though I am interested, 
do these boxes come wiht Tuners to receive FTA TV built-in? Obviously 
the Sony set does along with a couple of USB ports and 4 HDMI input 
ports - how many damn HDMI ports does none need  -


Installing Apps is easy enough it seems, you can't get too far without 
having a Google account and thus access to the Google Play Store.  If 
you'd rather not install Apps that way and download them yourself then 
you can place them on a USB stick and use a File Browser App to find the 
downloaded Apps and install that way.




On 17/02/2016 4:15 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

I'm on a very high traffic android list, and there has lately been
discussion of android tv boxes, but not an actual tv set, on that list.
People have had issues making certain services that are not  directly
from google, such as Netflix, work at all with talkback.  Devices
discussed include the nexus, Shield and another one that is something
like metracom, but I'm sure I've got that spelled wrong. How much did
this Sony android set set you back? No pun intended.

Mary




--

**
Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves

Re: Sony Android TV Was Apple TV 4th Gen

[Mary Otten]

I'm on a very high traffic android list, and there has lately been
discussion of android tv boxes, but not an actual tv set, on that list.
People have had issues making certain services that are not  directly
from google, such as Netflix, work at all with talkback.  Devices
discussed include the nexus, Shield and another one that is something
like metracom, but I'm sure I've got that spelled wrong. How much did
this Sony android set set you back? No pun intended. 

Mary

Re: Apple TV 4th Gen

[Dane Trethowan]

BT Keyboard support has nothing whatever to do with BT Speakers .

You can of course connect an AirPlay device to the Apple TV right out of the 
box, you don’t even need to have the Apple TV connected to an existing Home 
Network.


> On 17 Feb 2016, at 9:13 AM, Stephanie Mitchell  
> wrote:
> 
> I also got appletv last week. I'm debating if I get netflix, foxtell, or 
> some other service. I'd like to connect a bt speaker to the tv and cant wait 
> for bt keyboard support.
> Steph 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Robert Williams  
> To: PC Audio Discussion List  
> Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 8:52 am
> Subject: Re: Apple TV 4th Gen
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have the both the 3rd and the 4th generation apple tvs and you do not  
>> need to have the tv on.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 16, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi John,
>>> 
>>> Your observation about the remote being easy to use is interesting. I
>>> think you are the first one who hasn't encountered a significant
>>> learning curve, especially when it comes  to actually having to type
>>> something in, such as a mixed case alphanumeric password. I'm holding
>>> out for bluetooth keyboard access, which is supposedly coming with the
>>> next major release of tv os, if I can believe what I read in the
>>> mainstream Apple-oriented press. 
>>> 
>>> That deal where voice over cuts out has happened to me with a 2nd
>>> generation apple tv. It happened a lot and only quit happening when we
>>> experimented and connected the apple tv directly to the hdmi in on our
>>> tv, rather than going through an a/v surround receiver or even a sound
>>> bar. When connected directly to the tv, the voiceover cut out problem
>>> completely disappeared. Unfortunately, that also meant the rest of the
>>> sound from the apple tv went to the tv speakers, which are God awful.
>>> Just food for thought. And I have heard others report varying results
>>> with the voiceover cut out problem. Some have it. Others don't. And I
>>> haven't a clue why.
>>> 
>>> I do have a question. Can you connect the apple tv 4th generation and
>>> use all of its features without actually having a tv in the mix? As an
>>> example, with my 2nd generation product, it was not possible to watch
>>> netflix unless the tv was actually turned on. Netflix would not play.
>>> There may have been others too, but Netflix is the one I specifically
>>> remember. So even though I didn't need the picture, the tv had to be
>>> physically on, not just the surround receiver and speakers.
>>> 
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> Mitchell Piano Studio
> Phone: 0450354342
> Web: www.mitchellpianostudio.com 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

Sony Android TV Was Apple TV 4th Gen

[Dane Trethowan]

As far as I’m concerned the Apple Forth Generation TV means absolutely nothing 
whatever to me any longer now that I’ve decided to get my Sony Android Smart TV 
and I’m very glad I did the more I read about the Apple TV.

I do appreciate of course that a Sony Android Smart TV won’t be for everyone 
though it does have some clear advantages over its Apple TV and other 
competition in the market place.

Yes, there are blind people using these things so I know a fair deal about them 
already without having to have bought one and also the fact that I’m an Android 
user too with my Samsung Galaxy S6 and Android 5.11 Lollypop so I know of what 
to expect.

As far as I know Sony are the only company to manufacturing Android TV sets and 
I’m hoping this will change in time given that Google has released its Android 
TV Operating System which the Sony sets are using.

I can understand why other company’s such as Samsung are reluctant to go down 
that road right now having invested a huge amount in their own TV Hibred 
operating systems so full marks to Sony for jumping onto the Google Band wagon 
and giving us some accessible competition.


> On 17 Feb 2016, at 7:50 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> Your observation about the remote being easy to use is interesting. I
> think you are the first one who hasn't encountered a significant
> learning curve, especially when it comes  to actually having to type
> something in, such as a mixed case alphanumeric password. I'm holding
> out for bluetooth keyboard access, which is supposedly coming with the
> next major release of tv os, if I can believe what I read in the
> mainstream Apple-oriented press. 
> 
> That deal where voice over cuts out has happened to me with a 2nd
> generation apple tv. It happened a lot and only quit happening when we
> experimented and connected the apple tv directly to the hdmi in on our
> tv, rather than going through an a/v surround receiver or even a sound
> bar. When connected directly to the tv, the voiceover cut out problem
> completely disappeared. Unfortunately, that also meant the rest of the
> sound from the apple tv went to the tv speakers, which are God awful.
> Just food for thought. And I have heard others report varying results
> with the voiceover cut out problem. Some have it. Others don't. And I
> haven't a clue why.
> 
> I do have a question. Can you connect the apple tv 4th generation and
> use all of its features without actually having a tv in the mix? As an
> example, with my 2nd generation product, it was not possible to watch
> netflix unless the tv was actually turned on. Netflix would not play.
> There may have been others too, but Netflix is the one I specifically
> remember. So even though I didn't need the picture, the tv had to be
> physically on, not just the surround receiver and speakers.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

RE: Apple TV 4th Gen

[Hamit Campos]

That's right. If the TV has ARC audio return channel you can have the audio
go from the tv strangelyto the HDMI out of the AV that is sending the vid to
the TV. Odd right? But it works. Yeah HDCP this ticks off Leo Laporte and he
always ends any discussion of this kind of thing by saying thanks a lot
Holly Wood. He says they're paranoid. Same opinion applys for Microsoft.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Rick
Alfaro
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 6:16 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' 
Subject: RE: Apple TV 4th Gen

Hi Mary. Funny you should mention the speech dropout issue as I recently ran
into this myself but not with the Apple TV. It was with a mini pc that I had
connected to an HDMI port on my receiver. It was really annoying and totally
ruined the whole experience of using the PC. Like you, the problem was
solved when I connected the PC to one of the HDMI ports on the TV. In my
case however, sound continued to be routed to my home theater system because
the TV was connected to the receiver via HDMI as well.

Regarding what you experienced  with Netflix not playing when your TV wasn't
plugged in, unfortunately, that's the way it is due to the HDCP (hd copy
protection) present on any of these media streamers which is required by any
of the services that offer movies and copy protected music.



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
Otten
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 3:51 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Apple TV 4th Gen

Hi John,

Your observation about the remote being easy to use is interesting. I think
you are the first one who hasn't encountered a significant learning curve,
especially when it comes  to actually having to type something in, such as a
mixed case alphanumeric password. I'm holding out for bluetooth keyboard
access, which is supposedly coming with the next major release of tv os, if
I can believe what I read in the mainstream Apple-oriented press. 

That deal where voice over cuts out has happened to me with a 2nd generation
apple tv. It happened a lot and only quit happening when we experimented and
connected the apple tv directly to the hdmi in on our tv, rather than going
through an a/v surround receiver or even a sound bar. When connected
directly to the tv, the voiceover cut out problem completely disappeared.
Unfortunately, that also meant the rest of the sound from the apple tv went
to the tv speakers, which are God awful.
Just food for thought. And I have heard others report varying results with
the voiceover cut out problem. Some have it. Others don't. And I haven't a
clue why.

I do have a question. Can you connect the apple tv 4th generation and use
all of its features without actually having a tv in the mix? As an example,
with my 2nd generation product, it was not possible to watch netflix unless
the tv was actually turned on. Netflix would not play.
There may have been others too, but Netflix is the one I specifically
remember. So even though I didn't need the picture, the tv had to be
physically on, not just the surround receiver and speakers.

Mary

RE: a helping hand in starting up..or working on an internet radio station?

[Brett Boyer]

If you haven't tried broadcasting I would say that there are a lot of
internet radio stations out there. Some of them are really good. The rest,
in my opinion, mediocre. The reason I'm telling you this is because some of
these stations will actualy train you while others just give you time on
there server and they really don't care what you do with it.
Like I said I'm not sure if you're a broadcaster looking to start a new
station or if you're just looking in to getting in to broadcasting.
If you've never broadcasted before I can offer you some resources for
training yourself.
I help run a couple of stations.
The most recent one is the VIP Lounge. 
http://www.theviploungeradio.com
It's a music based community radio station out of the U.K. but we have
broadcasters from different parts of the world.
We also provide training and support for our presenters.
I also help run Panoramic Radio.
http://www.panoramicradio.com
That station is more of a whatever goes type station. It's very hands-off
and we pretty much just give you your time on the station and you can do
with it what you please.
Feel free to contact me off-list if you want some guidance and/or resources.
Take care
bb
  
-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of randy
tijerina
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 11:01 AM
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Subject: a helping hand in starting up..or working on an internet radio
station?

hi friendsI'm asking all the dj's out thereif it's possible...if
they could give me a novice.such as myself..a hand in the rops of internet
broadcasting?
I'm wanting to get my feet wet..but I don't know where to start...any
dj's out there care to help?

RE: Apple TV 4th Gen

[Rick Alfaro]

Hi Mary. Funny you should mention the speech dropout issue as I recently ran
into this myself but not with the Apple TV. It was with a mini pc that I had
connected to an HDMI port on my receiver. It was really annoying and totally
ruined the whole experience of using the PC. Like you, the problem was
solved when I connected the PC to one of the HDMI ports on the TV. In my
case however, sound continued to be routed to my home theater system because
the TV was connected to the receiver via HDMI as well.

Regarding what you experienced  with Netflix not playing when your TV wasn't
plugged in, unfortunately, that's the way it is due to the HDCP (hd copy
protection) present on any of these media streamers which is required by any
of the services that offer movies and copy protected music.



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
Otten
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 3:51 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Apple TV 4th Gen

Hi John,

Your observation about the remote being easy to use is interesting. I
think you are the first one who hasn't encountered a significant
learning curve, especially when it comes  to actually having to type
something in, such as a mixed case alphanumeric password. I'm holding
out for bluetooth keyboard access, which is supposedly coming with the
next major release of tv os, if I can believe what I read in the
mainstream Apple-oriented press. 

That deal where voice over cuts out has happened to me with a 2nd
generation apple tv. It happened a lot and only quit happening when we
experimented and connected the apple tv directly to the hdmi in on our
tv, rather than going through an a/v surround receiver or even a sound
bar. When connected directly to the tv, the voiceover cut out problem
completely disappeared. Unfortunately, that also meant the rest of the
sound from the apple tv went to the tv speakers, which are God awful.
Just food for thought. And I have heard others report varying results
with the voiceover cut out problem. Some have it. Others don't. And I
haven't a clue why.

I do have a question. Can you connect the apple tv 4th generation and
use all of its features without actually having a tv in the mix? As an
example, with my 2nd generation product, it was not possible to watch
netflix unless the tv was actually turned on. Netflix would not play.
There may have been others too, but Netflix is the one I specifically
remember. So even though I didn't need the picture, the tv had to be
physically on, not just the surround receiver and speakers.

Mary

Re: Apple TV 4th Gen

[Stephanie Mitchell]

I also got appletv last week. I'm debating if I get netflix, foxtell, or 
some other service. I'd like to connect a bt speaker to the tv and cant wait 
for bt keyboard support.
Steph 

- Original Message -
From: Robert Williams  
To: PC Audio Discussion List  
Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 8:52 am
Subject: Re: Apple TV 4th Gen

>
>
> 
> I have the both the 3rd and the 4th generation apple tvs and you do not  need 
> to have the tv on.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Feb 16, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi John,
> > 
> > Your observation about the remote being easy to use is interesting. I
> > think you are the first one who hasn't encountered a significant
> > learning curve, especially when it comes  to actually having to type
> > something in, such as a mixed case alphanumeric password. I'm holding
> > out for bluetooth keyboard access, which is supposedly coming with the
> > next major release of tv os, if I can believe what I read in the
> > mainstream Apple-oriented press. 
> > 
> > That deal where voice over cuts out has happened to me with a 2nd
> > generation apple tv. It happened a lot and only quit happening when we
> > experimented and connected the apple tv directly to the hdmi in on our
> > tv, rather than going through an a/v surround receiver or even a sound
> > bar. When connected directly to the tv, the voiceover cut out problem
> > completely disappeared. Unfortunately, that also meant the rest of the
> > sound from the apple tv went to the tv speakers, which are God awful.
> > Just food for thought. And I have heard others report varying results
> > with the voiceover cut out problem. Some have it. Others don't. And I
> > haven't a clue why.
> > 
> > I do have a question. Can you connect the apple tv 4th generation and
> > use all of its features without actually having a tv in the mix? As an
> > example, with my 2nd generation product, it was not possible to watch
> > netflix unless the tv was actually turned on. Netflix would not play.
> > There may have been others too, but Netflix is the one I specifically
> > remember. So even though I didn't need the picture, the tv had to be
> > physically on, not just the surround receiver and speakers.
> > 
> > Mary
> > 
> > 
> 

Mitchell Piano Studio
Phone: 0450354342
Web: www.mitchellpianostudio.com 

Re: Apple TV 4th Gen

[Robert Williams]

I have the both the 3rd and the 4th generation apple tvs and you do not  need 
to have the tv on.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 16, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> Your observation about the remote being easy to use is interesting. I
> think you are the first one who hasn't encountered a significant
> learning curve, especially when it comes  to actually having to type
> something in, such as a mixed case alphanumeric password. I'm holding
> out for bluetooth keyboard access, which is supposedly coming with the
> next major release of tv os, if I can believe what I read in the
> mainstream Apple-oriented press. 
> 
> That deal where voice over cuts out has happened to me with a 2nd
> generation apple tv. It happened a lot and only quit happening when we
> experimented and connected the apple tv directly to the hdmi in on our
> tv, rather than going through an a/v surround receiver or even a sound
> bar. When connected directly to the tv, the voiceover cut out problem
> completely disappeared. Unfortunately, that also meant the rest of the
> sound from the apple tv went to the tv speakers, which are God awful.
> Just food for thought. And I have heard others report varying results
> with the voiceover cut out problem. Some have it. Others don't. And I
> haven't a clue why.
> 
> I do have a question. Can you connect the apple tv 4th generation and
> use all of its features without actually having a tv in the mix? As an
> example, with my 2nd generation product, it was not possible to watch
> netflix unless the tv was actually turned on. Netflix would not play.
> There may have been others too, but Netflix is the one I specifically
> remember. So even though I didn't need the picture, the tv had to be
> physically on, not just the surround receiver and speakers.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 

RE: a helping hand in starting up..or working on an internet radio station?

[Humberto Rodriguez]

Hello Randy:

To start up a radio station is not that difficult, most people use either
Shoutcast or Icecast as the software generating the stream.  You would
choose whether to contract a streaming service or do it yourself in your own
dedicated or PVS server.

To be a DJ with pre-recorded talk programs is the easiest and most flexible
way.  To make them live is much more demanding, has to be done at exact
times and the quality depends then not only of your server, but also of your
internet connection and transmission to the server.  Being an actual DJ,
that is presenting music programs, has the difficulty of having to pay
royalties, something that on Jan 1, 2016 became much more expensive,
prohibitive for amateur enthusiasts.

I have run an internet radio station for years that has become very
successful with presenters from 24 countries and listeners from 108
countries, but is all in Spanish, it is called http://radiogeneral.com and
soon, I will be starting another one totally in English and consisting
entirely of pre-recorded talk shows or Old Time Radio programs, that will be
called "Radio Broadcast Training Service of the US" whose domain will be
www.rbts.us and if you are interested  in doing a weekly pre-recorded talk
show, get in touch with me.  You would have to record it, edit the audio and
upload it to the server using FTP.

If anyone on the list is interested in doing a weekly pre-recorded talk show
in Spanish for Radio General, please contact me also.  It does not matter if
your Spanish isn't perfect, is accented or grammatically flawed, as long as
it is understandable and pleasing to the ear, it is fine.

Regards,

Humberto

Humberto Rodriguez
Fort White, Florida


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of randy
tijerina
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 2:01 PM
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Subject: a helping hand in starting up..or working on an internet radio
station?

hi friendsI'm asking all the dj's out thereif it's 
possible...if they could give me a novice.such as myself..a hand in 
the rops of internet broadcasting?
I'm wanting to get my feet wet..but I don't know where to 
start...any dj's out there care to help?

Re: Apple TV 4th Gen

[Les Gordon]

mary, with the new apple tv you can use the hdmi and if connected to a 
surround sound receiver you do not need to have your tv on. you can just 
listen to the audio through the receiver. also the problem with voice over 
cutting out. the software could be corrupted and might need a fresh install 
of software. a full factory reset can sometimes fix those problems. i have 
the apple tv 3rd gen and also 4th gen and never any problems with voiceover 
cutting out.


- Original Message - 
From: "Mary Otten" 

To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: Apple TV 4th Gen



Hi John,

Your observation about the remote being easy to use is interesting. I
think you are the first one who hasn't encountered a significant
learning curve, especially when it comes  to actually having to type
something in, such as a mixed case alphanumeric password. I'm holding
out for bluetooth keyboard access, which is supposedly coming with the
next major release of tv os, if I can believe what I read in the
mainstream Apple-oriented press.

That deal where voice over cuts out has happened to me with a 2nd
generation apple tv. It happened a lot and only quit happening when we
experimented and connected the apple tv directly to the hdmi in on our
tv, rather than going through an a/v surround receiver or even a sound
bar. When connected directly to the tv, the voiceover cut out problem
completely disappeared. Unfortunately, that also meant the rest of the
sound from the apple tv went to the tv speakers, which are God awful.
Just food for thought. And I have heard others report varying results
with the voiceover cut out problem. Some have it. Others don't. And I
haven't a clue why.

I do have a question. Can you connect the apple tv 4th generation and
use all of its features without actually having a tv in the mix? As an
example, with my 2nd generation product, it was not possible to watch
netflix unless the tv was actually turned on. Netflix would not play.
There may have been others too, but Netflix is the one I specifically
remember. So even though I didn't need the picture, the tv had to be
physically on, not just the surround receiver and speakers.

Mary

Re: Apple TV 4th Gen

[Mary Otten]

Hi John,

Your observation about the remote being easy to use is interesting. I
think you are the first one who hasn't encountered a significant
learning curve, especially when it comes  to actually having to type
something in, such as a mixed case alphanumeric password. I'm holding
out for bluetooth keyboard access, which is supposedly coming with the
next major release of tv os, if I can believe what I read in the
mainstream Apple-oriented press. 

That deal where voice over cuts out has happened to me with a 2nd
generation apple tv. It happened a lot and only quit happening when we
experimented and connected the apple tv directly to the hdmi in on our
tv, rather than going through an a/v surround receiver or even a sound
bar. When connected directly to the tv, the voiceover cut out problem
completely disappeared. Unfortunately, that also meant the rest of the
sound from the apple tv went to the tv speakers, which are God awful.
Just food for thought. And I have heard others report varying results
with the voiceover cut out problem. Some have it. Others don't. And I
haven't a clue why.

I do have a question. Can you connect the apple tv 4th generation and
use all of its features without actually having a tv in the mix? As an
example, with my 2nd generation product, it was not possible to watch
netflix unless the tv was actually turned on. Netflix would not play.
There may have been others too, but Netflix is the one I specifically
remember. So even though I didn't need the picture, the tv had to be
physically on, not just the surround receiver and speakers.

Mary

a helping hand in starting up..or working on an internet radio station?

[randy tijerina]

hi friendsI'm asking all the dj's out thereif it's 
possible...if they could give me a novice.such as myself..a hand in 
the rops of internet broadcasting?
I'm wanting to get my feet wet..but I don't know where to 
start...any dj's out there care to help?

Apple TV 4th Gen

[John Gurd]

I got the Apple TV 4th gen last week. I had been resisting because the 3rd
Gen audio was so poor. 

 

I have to say the 4th gen sounds much better. This is based exclusively on
my use of the Apple Music service. Maybe it's just down to the better WIFI
capacity, I don't know, but the audio sound is full and more detailed and
much more acceptable. I haven't tried any movies yet.

 

One thing I noticed with the 3rd gen TV (especially since the last few
updates) and that is that Voice Over was terrible. I don't mean the audio
quality. I mean much of the time the beginning of any menu or selection was
cut off to the point where it was unintelligible. The speech was delayed and
had weird pitch-altering effects. I assumed (probably correctly) that the
hardware could not handle the extra work of Voice Over. Well, it's a lot
better in the 4th gen, but it's still present at times. If you pause and
then flick to another selection the first bit of the spoken item can get
truncated. Sometimes you have to flick away and back again to hear it
properly. I'm using the UK Voice which is Daniel so maybe it doesn't happen
with other voices. 

 

The remote is quite easy to use and because it's based on swiping it is a
lot like using any other IOS device. If I discover anything else of note
I'll let you know.

 

John

 

 

SV: another pair of headphones to consider

[Brian Olesen]

Hi,
Nope. I've just board the y50 which actually are super clear although
scenheiser has a little bit more top end.

Brian

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Mary Otten
Sendt: 16. februar 2016 00:10
Til: PC Audio Discussion List
Emne: another pair of headphones to consider

Has anybody tried the AKG k712? They apparently came out around the same
time as the B P7. I only ran across them today on the amazon.com site.
Apparently, they are not unlike the q701, in that they are open back. So you
won't make friends if listening in a public place.
Comparison between these and the 701 was generally favorable, with people
prefering the k712 headband and material the ear cups are padded with. There
is a substancial price difference, $350 versus $179 if memory serves. That's
on the U.S. Amazon site. I'd love to try these, since I have and really like
the Q701 already. One commenter said he thought the q701 sound stage was
exagerated. I didsgree, but beauty is in the ear of the beholder.

Mary