RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[Hamit Campos]

Ah the 7's using 4.2? Epic.

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Subject: SV: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Hi,
Yep. 4.2 to be precise.

Brian

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Sendt: 8. september 2016 21:16
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Emne: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Once upon a time that may have been true but Apple devices - as far as I know - 
are using the newer Bluetooth 4.x standards which cut down on power usage.



On 9/09/2016 1:53 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
> Hi!
> Hmm, i thought it was Bluetooth that was was a power hog not Airplay.
> But i may have heard wrong.
> /A
>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 02:58, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
>>
>> Hmm, interesting.
>> I have seen AirPlay devices that are around which are in perfect sync with 
>> Airplay - that is to say there’s no delay between source and target when 
>> streaming - so I thought Apple may have perhaps used that method.
>> Then again AirPlay streaming does take a fair amount of power so perhaps 
>> that’s why Apple chose Bluetooth.
>>
>>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:53 AM, Tim Noonan  wrote:
>>>
>>> The Airpots are still using Bluetooth, but wrapped in all sorts of Apple 
>>> secret sauce.
>>>
>>> Probably some aspects from the now announced BT 5.0 spec.
>>>
>>> Here is a fuller description of the justification for removing the 
>>> headphone jack and the Airpod tech and design.
>>>
>>> Inside iPhone 7: Why Apple Killed The Headphone Jack - BuzzFeed News 
>>> https://t.co/TV2Kps3Mvz
>>>
>>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 9:15 AM, Hamit Campos  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue 
>>> tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they 
>>> didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like 
>>> wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. 
>>> Leo Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting 
>>> that they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to 
>>> be wider at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. 
>>> Cords always tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple 
>>> themselves use for the ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and 
>>> break something like I've done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like 
>>> that. I agree it's not fare for those that have bought mad expensive stuff 
>>> that is corded but oh well se la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Dane Trethowan
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM
>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List 
>>> Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
>>>
>>> Indeed it has and no real surprises.
>>> The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus 
>>> stereo speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - 
>>> and that can only be a plus.
>>> According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice 
>>> additions, a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of 
>>> Airbuds, interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet 
>>> another standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them.
>>> No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can 
>>> plug in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay.
>>> I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the 
>>> Arcam DAC .
>>>
>>> **
>>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
>>> halfwits in this world behind.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tim Noonan
>>> Consultant  Speaker  Coach
>>>
>>> Phone:   +61 419 779 669
>>> Email:   t...@timnoonan.com.au
>>> Skype:   VoiceReadings
>>> Twitter: twitter.com/TimNoonan
>>>
>>> Coaching & Consulting:  www.timnoonan.com.au
>>> Inspirational Speaking: www.visionarycommunications.com.au
>>> Gemwater Bottles:   www.timnoonan.com.au/water
>>> Voice Readings: www.voicereadings.com
>>>
>>>
>> **
>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
>> halfwits in this world behind.
>>
>>
>>
>

SV: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[Brian Olesen]

Hi,
Oh sure there is a lightning connector.

Best regards
Brian

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Sendt: 9. september 2016 03:56
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Emne: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Was it specified whether there is still a lightning connector, or is charging 
done wirelessly as well?  

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


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From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:04 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' 
Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

To be honest I don't really much care. Other than the fact that oh so now what? 
What of the analog head phones I have? But I for 1 wanna cut the cord anyways. 
Wires are annoying. They tangel they can break and so on. So what evs.

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From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of John Gurd
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 5:39 AM
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Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Ah, but now with the removal of the 3.5mm jack you'll be able to listen 
underwater... (smiles)

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From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL
Sent: 08 September 2016 01:52
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Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Actually, there's a difference between "whining" and legitimate complaints 
about a feature that one values that is now lost. If I were gaining something 
substantial by losing the headphone jack I'd feel better about it, but I'm 
losing a substantial capability -- the ability to use headphones and charge my 
phone at the same time. As I said, I take train trips lasting several hours and 
listen to books, etc, while charging my phone. 

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From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:38 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Whilst I don�t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound one 
at that - thus I believe I�m in a position to comment as I have done.
There are ways around the charging problem  as you put it, I�ve seen cases 
already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors.
As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon would 
be up to the job not that I�ve had absolute personal experience in this area 
given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing condition but 
that�s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this list.
I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just whine 
about it all.

> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL  wrote:
> 
> What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of 
> hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the 
> ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. 
> I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of 
> "thinness". 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit 
> Campos
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM
> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
> 
> Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue 
> tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they 
> didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like 
> wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo 
> Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that 
> they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider 
> at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always 
> tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the 
> ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've 
> done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare 
> for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se 
> la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List 
> Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
> 
> Indeed it has and no real surprises.
> The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo 
> speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that 
> can only be a plus.
> According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice 

SV: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[Brian Olesen]

Hi,
Yep. 4.2 to be precise.

Brian

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Sendt: 8. september 2016 21:16
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Emne: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Once upon a time that may have been true but Apple devices - as far as I 
know - are using the newer Bluetooth 4.x standards which cut down on 
power usage.



On 9/09/2016 1:53 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
> Hi!
> Hmm, i thought it was Bluetooth that was was a power hog not Airplay.
> But i may have heard wrong.
> /A
>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 02:58, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
>>
>> Hmm, interesting.
>> I have seen AirPlay devices that are around which are in perfect sync with 
>> Airplay - that is to say there’s no delay between source and target when 
>> streaming - so I thought Apple may have perhaps used that method.
>> Then again AirPlay streaming does take a fair amount of power so perhaps 
>> that’s why Apple chose Bluetooth.
>>
>>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:53 AM, Tim Noonan  wrote:
>>>
>>> The Airpots are still using Bluetooth, but wrapped in all sorts of Apple 
>>> secret sauce.
>>>
>>> Probably some aspects from the now announced BT 5.0 spec.
>>>
>>> Here is a fuller description of the justification for removing the 
>>> headphone jack and the Airpod tech and design.
>>>
>>> Inside iPhone 7: Why Apple Killed The Headphone Jack - BuzzFeed News 
>>> https://t.co/TV2Kps3Mvz
>>>
>>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 9:15 AM, Hamit Campos  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue 
>>> tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they 
>>> didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like 
>>> wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. 
>>> Leo Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting 
>>> that they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to 
>>> be wider at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. 
>>> Cords always tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple 
>>> themselves use for the ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and 
>>> break something like I've done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like 
>>> that. I agree it's not fare for those that have bought mad expensive stuff 
>>> that is corded but oh well se la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
>>> Trethowan
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM
>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List 
>>> Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
>>>
>>> Indeed it has and no real surprises.
>>> The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus 
>>> stereo speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - 
>>> and that can only be a plus.
>>> According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice 
>>> additions, a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of 
>>> Airbuds, interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet 
>>> another standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them.
>>> No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can 
>>> plug in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay.
>>> I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the 
>>> Arcam DAC .
>>>
>>> **
>>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
>>> halfwits in this world behind.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tim Noonan
>>> Consultant  Speaker  Coach
>>>
>>> Phone:   +61 419 779 669
>>> Email:   t...@timnoonan.com.au
>>> Skype:   VoiceReadings
>>> Twitter: twitter.com/TimNoonan
>>>
>>> Coaching & Consulting:  www.timnoonan.com.au
>>> Inspirational Speaking: www.visionarycommunications.com.au
>>> Gemwater Bottles:   www.timnoonan.com.au/water
>>> Voice Readings: www.voicereadings.com
>>>
>>>
>> **
>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
>> halfwits in this world behind.
>>
>>
>>
>

SV: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[Brian Olesen]

Hi,
There is an adapter included. And there is a pair of lightning ear bots 
included as well.

Brian

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Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Hamit Campos
Sendt: 8. september 2016 17:04
Til: 'PC Audio Discussion List' 
Emne: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

To be honest I don't really much care. Other than the fact that oh so now what? 
What of the analog head phones I have? But I for 1 wanna cut the cord anyways. 
Wires are annoying. They tangel they can break and so on. So what evs.

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From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of John Gurd
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 5:39 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' 
Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Ah, but now with the removal of the 3.5mm jack you'll be able to listen 
underwater... (smiles)

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From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL
Sent: 08 September 2016 01:52
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Actually, there's a difference between "whining" and legitimate complaints 
about a feature that one values that is now lost. If I were gaining something 
substantial by losing the headphone jack I'd feel better about it, but I'm 
losing a substantial capability -- the ability to use headphones and charge my 
phone at the same time. As I said, I take train trips lasting several hours and 
listen to books, etc, while charging my phone. 

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:38 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Whilst I don�t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound one 
at that - thus I believe I�m in a position to comment as I have done.
There are ways around the charging problem  as you put it, I�ve seen cases 
already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors.
As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon would 
be up to the job not that I�ve had absolute personal experience in this area 
given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing condition but 
that�s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this list.
I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just whine 
about it all.

> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL  wrote:
> 
> What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of 
> hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the 
> ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. 
> I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of 
> "thinness". 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit 
> Campos
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM
> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
> 
> Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue 
> tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they 
> didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like 
> wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo 
> Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that 
> they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider 
> at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always 
> tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the 
> ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've 
> done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare 
> for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se 
> la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List 
> Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
> 
> Indeed it has and no real surprises.
> The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo 
> speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that 
> can only be a plus.
> According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, 
> a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, 
> interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another 
> standard? I wasn�t presented with much information on them.
> No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug 
> in DAC�s if better sound is what we�re after or we have AirPlay.