RE: Desktop computer speakers
Hi Casey, I don't live in the US so can't tell you but I imagine Amazon might be a good start. John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Casey Sent: 24 August 2016 01:56 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers Hi sorry I didn't state this before I live in the united states. So where can I get one of thees cards and how much would I have to shell out for on in the states? Sorry I didn't say that before. a -- Casey
Re: Desktop computer speakers
Hi sorry I didn't state this before I live in the united states. So where can I get one of thees cards and how much would I have to shell out for on in the states? Sorry I didn't say that before. a -- Casey
Re: Desktop computer speakers
As I'm a full-time Mac user I might be able to answer some of these questions. Regarding a drive? The Mac OS will read Windows NTFS formatted and FAT formatted drives however - by default - the Mac cannot write to these drives so - if you need to write to a drive - you'll need something like NTFS For Mac from Paragon software. The utility is invisible to the user pretty much, it sists in the Mac System preferences. That's one of the reasons actually why I decided to store all my music on Dropbox, sync is pretty much automatic and I don't have to worry about what format is compatible and what isn't, can play music on just about any media player and so on. If you're using iTunes on your Windows PC then make sure you use the same iTuens ID with your Mac and be sure that both computers are registered, I think you might need iTunes Match as well to allow syncing of music across your registered devices.. Copy protection of DVD'S and the like is a problem but there are packages out there that handle it, DVD Remaster Pro for the Mac is one example and I have one for the Windows PC though can't remember the name of it off hand. On 24/08/2016 6:06 AM, John Gurd wrote: Hi Andy, I don't use a Mac as yet, but I'm sure you won't have a problem getting your music, MP3's and the like, onto your Mac. I was talking about media like DVDs that's got copyright protection built in. I think the only issue transferring data is that Apple Macs use a different file system on hard drives, so an external drive might need to be converted from NTFS to something an Apple or both machines can use. One thought might be to use a NAS to store stuff you want to access from both machines as they can be set up to be seen by both. Someone more qualified than I might point you in the right direction, and of course, as Dane would say, Google is your friend. :) John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: 23 August 2016 20:49 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers Hi John. Don't frighten me with words such as copywright protection! I've spent a load of cash on my Imac and Macbook pro, and audio, either through movies, books or music is my life. So I'd just hate to face restrictions from Apple that would make life even more difficult for me. A friend told me the other day that my Imac may not accept data from my external hard drives, which contain all of my stuff. If what you say turns out to be the case, then i'd probably keep and upgrade my Microsoft stuff, now that I've got JAWS 17. It is sad isn't it. I'd just love to do the stuff I do now with Microsoft on my new Apple equipment, but I've got this funny feeling! Very best wishes. Andy. - Original Message - From: "John Gurd" <j.g...@ntlworld.com> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 4:32 PM Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers Hi Andy You're right. It still annoys me that I can't connect all the equipment I want without a lot of rigmarole. Sonos will let me play music from the built-in iPhone app but not other apps such as NatureSpace which has really nice nature/relaxation tracks. A lot of Apple and Microsoft products don't integrate well - deliberately so in order to force you to stay with one company. And what a carry-on it can be getting music onto an iPhone from a PC these days! As for HDMI, it's great when it works, but it has a little thing built in called High-bandwidth Digital Copyright Protection (HDCP) which you will find will stop you doing some of the things you mentioned: like you can listen, but you certainly can't record and definitely not copy. And because of that, it refuses to play certain media such as Blu-ray if it detects you are using equipment not certified for HDCP. So frankly, life could be a lot simpler if it wasn't for the jealousy and rivalry of some big corporations. John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: 21 August 2016 21:15 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers Hi again John. God, it's getting even more complicated eh? I'd just love, like yourself, to keep it simple, but it simply isn't going to happen is it? Good quality audio from computers, TV's and interfacing that with AV units or amps has historically resulted in multiple complexities and it's only people like us who may know a little about these things that gain the benefits. One day you will with no understanding whatsoever about technology , be able to play audio from any device through your home system, without even thinking about it. I really couldn't tell you what was the best method of drawing all these threads together and with every year, it's getting even more complicated. Wouldn't it be nice to buy a good computer with high quality sound and
RE: Desktop computer speakers
Hi Andy, I don't use a Mac as yet, but I'm sure you won't have a problem getting your music, MP3's and the like, onto your Mac. I was talking about media like DVDs that's got copyright protection built in. I think the only issue transferring data is that Apple Macs use a different file system on hard drives, so an external drive might need to be converted from NTFS to something an Apple or both machines can use. One thought might be to use a NAS to store stuff you want to access from both machines as they can be set up to be seen by both. Someone more qualified than I might point you in the right direction, and of course, as Dane would say, Google is your friend. :) John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: 23 August 2016 20:49 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers Hi John. Don't frighten me with words such as copywright protection! I've spent a load of cash on my Imac and Macbook pro, and audio, either through movies, books or music is my life. So I'd just hate to face restrictions from Apple that would make life even more difficult for me. A friend told me the other day that my Imac may not accept data from my external hard drives, which contain all of my stuff. If what you say turns out to be the case, then i'd probably keep and upgrade my Microsoft stuff, now that I've got JAWS 17. It is sad isn't it. I'd just love to do the stuff I do now with Microsoft on my new Apple equipment, but I've got this funny feeling! Very best wishes. Andy. - Original Message - From: "John Gurd" <j.g...@ntlworld.com> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 4:32 PM Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers Hi Andy You're right. It still annoys me that I can't connect all the equipment I want without a lot of rigmarole. Sonos will let me play music from the built-in iPhone app but not other apps such as NatureSpace which has really nice nature/relaxation tracks. A lot of Apple and Microsoft products don't integrate well - deliberately so in order to force you to stay with one company. And what a carry-on it can be getting music onto an iPhone from a PC these days! As for HDMI, it's great when it works, but it has a little thing built in called High-bandwidth Digital Copyright Protection (HDCP) which you will find will stop you doing some of the things you mentioned: like you can listen, but you certainly can't record and definitely not copy. And because of that, it refuses to play certain media such as Blu-ray if it detects you are using equipment not certified for HDCP. So frankly, life could be a lot simpler if it wasn't for the jealousy and rivalry of some big corporations. John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: 21 August 2016 21:15 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers Hi again John. God, it's getting even more complicated eh? I'd just love, like yourself, to keep it simple, but it simply isn't going to happen is it? Good quality audio from computers, TV's and interfacing that with AV units or amps has historically resulted in multiple complexities and it's only people like us who may know a little about these things that gain the benefits. One day you will with no understanding whatsoever about technology , be able to play audio from any device through your home system, without even thinking about it. I really couldn't tell you what was the best method of drawing all these threads together and with every year, it's getting even more complicated. Wouldn't it be nice to buy a good computer with high quality sound and you could simply download audio from Itunes or otherwise, listen to it and edit it and post it again without any effort whatsoever! - Original Message - From: "John Gurd" <j.g...@ntlworld.com> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:08 PM Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers Hi Andy, That's a thought which I'll have to ponder some more. I know desktop speakers for PC are nearly always rubbish but the ones Dane linked to are an exception. But a separate amp or receiver for my PC is a possibility. My PC is in a den too as my wife banned PCs from the living room so instead I've got a high end set up in the Livingroom similar to yours minus the PC. Believe it or not in my PC room/den I used to have 2 PCs with 2 sound cards each going through a sound mixer and then output through an amplifier and stereo speakers. That was in the days when I used to broadcast on internet radio. The 2nd PC was a backup for when things went wrong with my main machine which sometimes happened. Anyway, I've simplified things since then getting rid of redundant equipment. I now have one of th
Re: Desktop computer speakers
Hi John. Don't frighten me with words such as copywright protection! I've spent a load of cash on my Imac and Macbook pro, and audio, either through movies, books or music is my life. So I'd just hate to face restrictions from Apple that would make life even more difficult for me. A friend told me the other day that my Imac may not accept data from my external hard drives, which contain all of my stuff. If what you say turns out to be the case, then i'd probably keep and upgrade my Microsoft stuff, now that I've got JAWS 17. It is sad isn't it. I'd just love to do the stuff I do now with Microsoft on my new Apple equipment, but I've got this funny feeling! Very best wishes. Andy. - Original Message - From: "John Gurd" <j.g...@ntlworld.com> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 4:32 PM Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers Hi Andy You're right. It still annoys me that I can't connect all the equipment I want without a lot of rigmarole. Sonos will let me play music from the built-in iPhone app but not other apps such as NatureSpace which has really nice nature/relaxation tracks. A lot of Apple and Microsoft products don't integrate well - deliberately so in order to force you to stay with one company. And what a carry-on it can be getting music onto an iPhone from a PC these days! As for HDMI, it's great when it works, but it has a little thing built in called High-bandwidth Digital Copyright Protection (HDCP) which you will find will stop you doing some of the things you mentioned: like you can listen, but you certainly can't record and definitely not copy. And because of that, it refuses to play certain media such as Blu-ray if it detects you are using equipment not certified for HDCP. So frankly, life could be a lot simpler if it wasn't for the jealousy and rivalry of some big corporations. John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: 21 August 2016 21:15 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers Hi again John. God, it's getting even more complicated eh? I'd just love, like yourself, to keep it simple, but it simply isn't going to happen is it? Good quality audio from computers, TV's and interfacing that with AV units or amps has historically resulted in multiple complexities and it's only people like us who may know a little about these things that gain the benefits. One day you will with no understanding whatsoever about technology , be able to play audio from any device through your home system, without even thinking about it. I really couldn't tell you what was the best method of drawing all these threads together and with every year, it's getting even more complicated. Wouldn't it be nice to buy a good computer with high quality sound and you could simply download audio from Itunes or otherwise, listen to it and edit it and post it again without any effort whatsoever! - Original Message - From: "John Gurd" <j.g...@ntlworld.com> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:08 PM Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers Hi Andy, That's a thought which I'll have to ponder some more. I know desktop speakers for PC are nearly always rubbish but the ones Dane linked to are an exception. But a separate amp or receiver for my PC is a possibility. My PC is in a den too as my wife banned PCs from the living room so instead I've got a high end set up in the Livingroom similar to yours minus the PC. Believe it or not in my PC room/den I used to have 2 PCs with 2 sound cards each going through a sound mixer and then output through an amplifier and stereo speakers. That was in the days when I used to broadcast on internet radio. The 2nd PC was a backup for when things went wrong with my main machine which sometimes happened. Anyway, I've simplified things since then getting rid of redundant equipment. I now have one of the few self-amplified 5.1 systems that can plug into a sound card without an amplifier. I also use a splitter to a little transmitter that lets me use the old-style wireless headphones and portable speakers so I can have audio from my PC in other rooms. The Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers sound reasonable for their price and age but as they're quite elderly I want something better. I was hoping to keep it simple but if I wanted to keep a 5.1 set up in my PC den you are probably right and I would have to think about an amp or receiver. It would also allow me to get the best out of my small collection of PC-based HD recordings. To be honest though although it's nice having the ability of outputting music in a 5.1 virtual mix like Dolby PL2 I spend less time than I used to doing that and I usually go to the living room for movies in surround sound, so maybe a good stere
RE: Desktop computer speakers
Hi Andy You're right. It still annoys me that I can't connect all the equipment I want without a lot of rigmarole. Sonos will let me play music from the built-in iPhone app but not other apps such as NatureSpace which has really nice nature/relaxation tracks. A lot of Apple and Microsoft products don't integrate well - deliberately so in order to force you to stay with one company. And what a carry-on it can be getting music onto an iPhone from a PC these days! As for HDMI, it's great when it works, but it has a little thing built in called High-bandwidth Digital Copyright Protection (HDCP) which you will find will stop you doing some of the things you mentioned: like you can listen, but you certainly can't record and definitely not copy. And because of that, it refuses to play certain media such as Blu-ray if it detects you are using equipment not certified for HDCP. So frankly, life could be a lot simpler if it wasn't for the jealousy and rivalry of some big corporations. John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: 21 August 2016 21:15 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers Hi again John. God, it's getting even more complicated eh? I'd just love, like yourself, to keep it simple, but it simply isn't going to happen is it? Good quality audio from computers, TV's and interfacing that with AV units or amps has historically resulted in multiple complexities and it's only people like us who may know a little about these things that gain the benefits. One day you will with no understanding whatsoever about technology , be able to play audio from any device through your home system, without even thinking about it. I really couldn't tell you what was the best method of drawing all these threads together and with every year, it's getting even more complicated. Wouldn't it be nice to buy a good computer with high quality sound and you could simply download audio from Itunes or otherwise, listen to it and edit it and post it again without any effort whatsoever! - Original Message - From: "John Gurd" <j.g...@ntlworld.com> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:08 PM Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers Hi Andy, That's a thought which I'll have to ponder some more. I know desktop speakers for PC are nearly always rubbish but the ones Dane linked to are an exception. But a separate amp or receiver for my PC is a possibility. My PC is in a den too as my wife banned PCs from the living room so instead I've got a high end set up in the Livingroom similar to yours minus the PC. Believe it or not in my PC room/den I used to have 2 PCs with 2 sound cards each going through a sound mixer and then output through an amplifier and stereo speakers. That was in the days when I used to broadcast on internet radio. The 2nd PC was a backup for when things went wrong with my main machine which sometimes happened. Anyway, I've simplified things since then getting rid of redundant equipment. I now have one of the few self-amplified 5.1 systems that can plug into a sound card without an amplifier. I also use a splitter to a little transmitter that lets me use the old-style wireless headphones and portable speakers so I can have audio from my PC in other rooms. The Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers sound reasonable for their price and age but as they're quite elderly I want something better. I was hoping to keep it simple but if I wanted to keep a 5.1 set up in my PC den you are probably right and I would have to think about an amp or receiver. It would also allow me to get the best out of my small collection of PC-based HD recordings. To be honest though although it's nice having the ability of outputting music in a 5.1 virtual mix like Dolby PL2 I spend less time than I used to doing that and I usually go to the living room for movies in surround sound, so maybe a good stereo speaker set up would do. I've used the external Sound Blaster USB X-Fi in the past. I've always liked the Creative Sound Blaster range and their latest top card is an internal one called the ZX. I use it and it's great! The reason I gave up the external card was it could only handle 5.1 if it was compressed to a lower bitrate. I think when USB3 becomes standard with HDMI out this will no longer be an issue for external cards. Optical toslink connections inherently can't handle 5.1 channels without reducing the sound quality. They are fine for stereo though. Anyway, I'll definitely consider the configuration you suggest. I'm even thinking of testing a Sonos Connect (which lives in the Livingroom system) as an experiment and connecting it to my PC. It has a line in as well as out and therefore could carry audio from my PC simultaneously to my room speakers and to the Sonos speakers in my bedroom. If it was succes
RE: Desktop computer speakers
Eo Laprte hates that. I've seen it happen. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of John Gurd Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 11:32 AM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers Hi Andy You're right. It still annoys me that I can't connect all the equipment I want without a lot of rigmarole. Sonos will let me play music from the built-in iPhone app but not other apps such as NatureSpace which has really nice nature/relaxation tracks. A lot of Apple and Microsoft products don't integrate well - deliberately so in order to force you to stay with one company. And what a carry-on it can be getting music onto an iPhone from a PC these days! As for HDMI, it's great when it works, but it has a little thing built in called High-bandwidth Digital Copyright Protection (HDCP) which you will find will stop you doing some of the things you mentioned: like you can listen, but you certainly can't record and definitely not copy. And because of that, it refuses to play certain media such as Blu-ray if it detects you are using equipment not certified for HDCP. So frankly, life could be a lot simpler if it wasn't for the jealousy and rivalry of some big corporations. John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: 21 August 2016 21:15 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers Hi again John. God, it's getting even more complicated eh? I'd just love, like yourself, to keep it simple, but it simply isn't going to happen is it? Good quality audio from computers, TV's and interfacing that with AV units or amps has historically resulted in multiple complexities and it's only people like us who may know a little about these things that gain the benefits. One day you will with no understanding whatsoever about technology , be able to play audio from any device through your home system, without even thinking about it. I really couldn't tell you what was the best method of drawing all these threads together and with every year, it's getting even more complicated. Wouldn't it be nice to buy a good computer with high quality sound and you could simply download audio from Itunes or otherwise, listen to it and edit it and post it again without any effort whatsoever! - Original Message - From: "John Gurd" <j.g...@ntlworld.com> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:08 PM Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers Hi Andy, That's a thought which I'll have to ponder some more. I know desktop speakers for PC are nearly always rubbish but the ones Dane linked to are an exception. But a separate amp or receiver for my PC is a possibility. My PC is in a den too as my wife banned PCs from the living room so instead I've got a high end set up in the Livingroom similar to yours minus the PC. Believe it or not in my PC room/den I used to have 2 PCs with 2 sound cards each going through a sound mixer and then output through an amplifier and stereo speakers. That was in the days when I used to broadcast on internet radio. The 2nd PC was a backup for when things went wrong with my main machine which sometimes happened. Anyway, I've simplified things since then getting rid of redundant equipment. I now have one of the few self-amplified 5.1 systems that can plug into a sound card without an amplifier. I also use a splitter to a little transmitter that lets me use the old-style wireless headphones and portable speakers so I can have audio from my PC in other rooms. The Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers sound reasonable for their price and age but as they're quite elderly I want something better. I was hoping to keep it simple but if I wanted to keep a 5.1 set up in my PC den you are probably right and I would have to think about an amp or receiver. It would also allow me to get the best out of my small collection of PC-based HD recordings. To be honest though although it's nice having the ability of outputting music in a 5.1 virtual mix like Dolby PL2 I spend less time than I used to doing that and I usually go to the living room for movies in surround sound, so maybe a good stereo speaker set up would do. I've used the external Sound Blaster USB X-Fi in the past. I've always liked the Creative Sound Blaster range and their latest top card is an internal one called the ZX. I use it and it's great! The reason I gave up the external card was it could only handle 5.1 if it was compressed to a lower bitrate. I think when USB3 becomes standard with HDMI out this will no longer be an issue for external cards. Optical toslink connections inherently can't handle 5.1 channels without reducing the sound quality. They are fine for stereo though. Anyway, I'll definitely consider the configuration you suggest. I'm even thin
RE: Desktop computer speakers
Hi Casey Yes, you can get the ZX today for £99 but I just realised that mine is the ZXR which unfortunately Creative are selling for £199, but I think you can get it elsewhere much cheaper. The difference is that the ZX is really for gaming and uses a pretty good Cirrus Logic DAC for all channels. However, the ZXR uses the same DAC rear and centre but for front stereo it uses a high end Burr-Brown DAC. Also as it is aimed at audiophiles and those interested in studio level recording it has a daughter board (which sports another set of audio inputs/outputs) that takes up an additional slot in the PC. It also has a small module with audio cable that allows it to be placed round the front of the PC with a volume control, built-in mike, a couple of headphone jacks and microphone jacks. So you get a lot of hardware for your bucks and it's debatable if you would use it all if you simply want to listen to music which to be honest is what I mostly do with it. There is no question that for outputting surround sound from a PC using analogue connections it is very good indeed. It can also drive headphones of up to 600 ohm. You could probably get away with something much cheaper if all you want to do is digital pass through. As for the other part of your query, the software control panel is mostly accessible - at least for the parts I use with Jaws. There are a couple of unlabelled controls and buttons but all of the audio processing effects and DSP effects can be adjusted. A separate app for setting up speaker configuration is tricky but not impossible. I tend to use the Windows set up wizard when I want to, say, change from 5.1 to 2.0 speaker configuration. Regards John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Casey Sent: 20 August 2016 17:27 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers Hi you talk3d about the sound blaster ZX internal card. Now can you use the control panel that is with this card to adjust any of its settings with your screen reader? Also can you still get one of thees sound blaster ZX cards today and for what price roughly? -- Casey
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Hi there I do have an FM transmitter that I used for years and years happily. Mine goes from 87.5Mhz up to 108Mhz and it served me very well till I got the current setup. Regards. Kulvinder Bhogal E-mail: kbhog...@btinternet.com Facetime: kulvinder.bho...@techie.com <mailto:kulvinder.bho...@techie.com> Skypename: bobba2006 > On 22 Aug 2016, at 00:59, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> wrote: > > Always interested to hear about that sort of thing given one of my favourite > hobbies is streaming audio/video about the house. > > There are dozens of similar devices about the place, I saw something similar > to what you described, the dongle plugs into the USB port as yours does and > from there it acts as a Sound Device so you output your Software player - VLC > for example - or set it to a system default sound device. > > The difference with this device and yours is that you use a FM tuner to > receive the output. > > Common place yes I hear you cry but the difference with this USB transmitter > was that the frequency range went down to 76MHZ therefore not all tuners > could easily receive it obviously but there are a hell of a lot of radios and > tuners that do go down that far. > > The obvious advantage of using a frequency below 88MHZ is that its not likely > to enterfere with anything else. > > Quality wasn't as good as other streaming methods I use but still, its better > than nothing at all. > > > > On 22/08/2016 8:22 AM, Kulvinder Singh Bhogal wrote: >> Hi there >> >> If I may just put my pence worth in here and mention a wireless solution >> that I have used for a year or two now and it is a USB digital audio sender >> from Lyndy Electronics, excuse the spelling since it has been a while. >> >> The USB dongle plugs in to any available port and the receiver wires up via >> RCA or quarter or eighth jack in to any amp that you have with the relevant >> connecters on it. >> >> Hope this is of use to those of you who still, like me, have equipment that >> has stood the test of time, smiles. >> >> Regards. >> >> Kulvinder Bhogal >> E-mail: kbhog...@btinternet.com >> Facetime: kulvinder.bho...@techie.com <mailto:kulvinder.bho...@techie.com> >> Skypename: bobba2006 >> >>> On 21 Aug 2016, at 22:33, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> wrote: >>> >>> That's true it doesn't so you have a clear choice, go vintage and try to >>> integrate the modern standards or just use modern equipment which >>> integrates. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 22/08/2016 6:22 AM, Byron Stephens wrote: >>>> That doesn't help someone who wants to go the other way and go vintage and >>>> use a system like the sx1980 from pioneer or the marantz 2500. And there >>>> is a dealer here in vancouver that sells and repairs all that stuff. I've >>>> fallen off the wagon by design. >>>> - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" >>>> <grtd...@internode.on.net> >>>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 1:18 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers >>>> >>>> >>>>> I think one of the greatest advances for connecting AVR equipment to a >>>>> computer is probably one of the simplist to understand for the average >>>>> user and that's the HDMI connection, say connect your computer to a HDMI >>>>> input on your modern-day AVR equipment, choose the HDMI output from your >>>>> computer, select the appropriate HDMI input on your AVR system and that's >>>>> it! no multiple leads to connect from your computers sound card or >>>>> device, no multiple settings to worry about and no accessibility issues >>>>> going through a control panel or App of a Sound device. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 22/08/2016 6:14 AM, Andy wrote: >>>>>> Hi again John. >>>>>> >>>>>> God, it's getting even more complicated eh? >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd just love, like yourself, to keep it simple, but it simply isn't >>>>>> going to happen is it? >>>>>> >>>>>> Good quality audio from computers, TV's and interfacing that with AV >>>>>> units or amps has historically resulted in multiple complexities and >>>>>> it's only people like us who may know a
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Always interested to hear about that sort of thing given one of my favourite hobbies is streaming audio/video about the house. There are dozens of similar devices about the place, I saw something similar to what you described, the dongle plugs into the USB port as yours does and from there it acts as a Sound Device so you output your Software player - VLC for example - or set it to a system default sound device. The difference with this device and yours is that you use a FM tuner to receive the output. Common place yes I hear you cry but the difference with this USB transmitter was that the frequency range went down to 76MHZ therefore not all tuners could easily receive it obviously but there are a hell of a lot of radios and tuners that do go down that far. The obvious advantage of using a frequency below 88MHZ is that its not likely to enterfere with anything else. Quality wasn't as good as other streaming methods I use but still, its better than nothing at all. On 22/08/2016 8:22 AM, Kulvinder Singh Bhogal wrote: Hi there If I may just put my pence worth in here and mention a wireless solution that I have used for a year or two now and it is a USB digital audio sender from Lyndy Electronics, excuse the spelling since it has been a while. The USB dongle plugs in to any available port and the receiver wires up via RCA or quarter or eighth jack in to any amp that you have with the relevant connecters on it. Hope this is of use to those of you who still, like me, have equipment that has stood the test of time, smiles. Regards. Kulvinder Bhogal E-mail: kbhog...@btinternet.com Facetime: kulvinder.bho...@techie.com <mailto:kulvinder.bho...@techie.com> Skypename: bobba2006 On 21 Aug 2016, at 22:33, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> wrote: That's true it doesn't so you have a clear choice, go vintage and try to integrate the modern standards or just use modern equipment which integrates. On 22/08/2016 6:22 AM, Byron Stephens wrote: That doesn't help someone who wants to go the other way and go vintage and use a system like the sx1980 from pioneer or the marantz 2500. And there is a dealer here in vancouver that sells and repairs all that stuff. I've fallen off the wagon by design. - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" <grtd...@internode.on.net> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 1:18 PM Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers I think one of the greatest advances for connecting AVR equipment to a computer is probably one of the simplist to understand for the average user and that's the HDMI connection, say connect your computer to a HDMI input on your modern-day AVR equipment, choose the HDMI output from your computer, select the appropriate HDMI input on your AVR system and that's it! no multiple leads to connect from your computers sound card or device, no multiple settings to worry about and no accessibility issues going through a control panel or App of a Sound device. On 22/08/2016 6:14 AM, Andy wrote: Hi again John. God, it's getting even more complicated eh? I'd just love, like yourself, to keep it simple, but it simply isn't going to happen is it? Good quality audio from computers, TV's and interfacing that with AV units or amps has historically resulted in multiple complexities and it's only people like us who may know a little about these things that gain the benefits. One day you will with no understanding whatsoever about technology , be able to play audio from any device through your home system, without even thinking about it. I really couldn't tell you what was the best method of drawing all these threads together and with every year, it's getting even more complicated. Wouldn't it be nice to buy a good computer with high quality sound and you could simply download audio from Itunes or otherwise, listen to it and edit it and post it again without any effort whatsoever! - Original Message - From: "John Gurd" <j.g...@ntlworld.com> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:08 PM Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers Hi Andy, That's a thought which I'll have to ponder some more. I know desktop speakers for PC are nearly always rubbish but the ones Dane linked to are an exception. But a separate amp or receiver for my PC is a possibility. My PC is in a den too as my wife banned PCs from the living room so instead I've got a high end set up in the Livingroom similar to yours minus the PC. Believe it or not in my PC room/den I used to have 2 PCs with 2 sound cards each going through a sound mixer and then output through an amplifier and stereo speakers. That was in the days when I used to broadcast on internet radio. The 2nd PC was a backup for when things went wrong with my main machine which sometimes h
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Hi there If I may just put my pence worth in here and mention a wireless solution that I have used for a year or two now and it is a USB digital audio sender from Lyndy Electronics, excuse the spelling since it has been a while. The USB dongle plugs in to any available port and the receiver wires up via RCA or quarter or eighth jack in to any amp that you have with the relevant connecters on it. Hope this is of use to those of you who still, like me, have equipment that has stood the test of time, smiles. Regards. Kulvinder Bhogal E-mail: kbhog...@btinternet.com Facetime: kulvinder.bho...@techie.com <mailto:kulvinder.bho...@techie.com> Skypename: bobba2006 > On 21 Aug 2016, at 22:33, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> wrote: > > That's true it doesn't so you have a clear choice, go vintage and try to > integrate the modern standards or just use modern equipment which integrates. > > > > On 22/08/2016 6:22 AM, Byron Stephens wrote: >> That doesn't help someone who wants to go the other way and go vintage and >> use a system like the sx1980 from pioneer or the marantz 2500. And there is >> a dealer here in vancouver that sells and repairs all that stuff. I've >> fallen off the wagon by design. >> - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" >> <grtd...@internode.on.net> >> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 1:18 PM >> Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers >> >> >>> I think one of the greatest advances for connecting AVR equipment to a >>> computer is probably one of the simplist to understand for the average user >>> and that's the HDMI connection, say connect your computer to a HDMI input >>> on your modern-day AVR equipment, choose the HDMI output from your >>> computer, select the appropriate HDMI input on your AVR system and that's >>> it! no multiple leads to connect from your computers sound card or device, >>> no multiple settings to worry about and no accessibility issues going >>> through a control panel or App of a Sound device. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 22/08/2016 6:14 AM, Andy wrote: >>>> Hi again John. >>>> >>>> God, it's getting even more complicated eh? >>>> >>>> I'd just love, like yourself, to keep it simple, but it simply isn't going >>>> to happen is it? >>>> >>>> Good quality audio from computers, TV's and interfacing that with AV units >>>> or amps has historically resulted in multiple complexities and it's only >>>> people like us who may know a little about these things that gain the >>>> benefits. >>>> >>>> One day you will with no understanding whatsoever about technology , be >>>> able to play audio from any device through your home system, without even >>>> thinking about it. >>>> >>>> I really couldn't tell you what was the best method of drawing all these >>>> threads together and with every year, it's getting even more complicated. >>>> >>>> Wouldn't it be nice to buy a good computer with high quality sound and you >>>> could simply download audio from Itunes or otherwise, listen to it and >>>> edit it and post it again without any effort whatsoever! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - Original Message - From: "John Gurd" <j.g...@ntlworld.com> >>>> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:08 PM >>>> Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Andy, >>>> That's a thought which I'll have to ponder some more. I know desktop >>>> speakers for PC are nearly always rubbish but the ones Dane linked to are >>>> an exception. But a separate amp or receiver for my PC is a possibility. >>>> >>>> My PC is in a den too as my wife banned PCs from the living room so >>>> instead I've got a high end set up in the Livingroom similar to yours >>>> minus the PC. >>>> >>>> Believe it or not in my PC room/den I used to have 2 PCs with 2 sound >>>> cards each going through a sound mixer and then output through an >>>> amplifier and stereo speakers. That was in the days when I used to >>>> broadcast on internet radio. The 2nd PC was a backup for when things went >>>> wrong with my main mac
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That's true it doesn't so you have a clear choice, go vintage and try to integrate the modern standards or just use modern equipment which integrates. On 22/08/2016 6:22 AM, Byron Stephens wrote: That doesn't help someone who wants to go the other way and go vintage and use a system like the sx1980 from pioneer or the marantz 2500. And there is a dealer here in vancouver that sells and repairs all that stuff. I've fallen off the wagon by design. - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" <grtd...@internode.on.net> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 1:18 PM Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers I think one of the greatest advances for connecting AVR equipment to a computer is probably one of the simplist to understand for the average user and that's the HDMI connection, say connect your computer to a HDMI input on your modern-day AVR equipment, choose the HDMI output from your computer, select the appropriate HDMI input on your AVR system and that's it! no multiple leads to connect from your computers sound card or device, no multiple settings to worry about and no accessibility issues going through a control panel or App of a Sound device. On 22/08/2016 6:14 AM, Andy wrote: Hi again John. God, it's getting even more complicated eh? I'd just love, like yourself, to keep it simple, but it simply isn't going to happen is it? Good quality audio from computers, TV's and interfacing that with AV units or amps has historically resulted in multiple complexities and it's only people like us who may know a little about these things that gain the benefits. One day you will with no understanding whatsoever about technology , be able to play audio from any device through your home system, without even thinking about it. I really couldn't tell you what was the best method of drawing all these threads together and with every year, it's getting even more complicated. Wouldn't it be nice to buy a good computer with high quality sound and you could simply download audio from Itunes or otherwise, listen to it and edit it and post it again without any effort whatsoever! - Original Message - From: "John Gurd" <j.g...@ntlworld.com> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:08 PM Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers Hi Andy, That's a thought which I'll have to ponder some more. I know desktop speakers for PC are nearly always rubbish but the ones Dane linked to are an exception. But a separate amp or receiver for my PC is a possibility. My PC is in a den too as my wife banned PCs from the living room so instead I've got a high end set up in the Livingroom similar to yours minus the PC. Believe it or not in my PC room/den I used to have 2 PCs with 2 sound cards each going through a sound mixer and then output through an amplifier and stereo speakers. That was in the days when I used to broadcast on internet radio. The 2nd PC was a backup for when things went wrong with my main machine which sometimes happened. Anyway, I've simplified things since then getting rid of redundant equipment. I now have one of the few self-amplified 5.1 systems that can plug into a sound card without an amplifier. I also use a splitter to a little transmitter that lets me use the old-style wireless headphones and portable speakers so I can have audio from my PC in other rooms. The Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers sound reasonable for their price and age but as they're quite elderly I want something better. I was hoping to keep it simple but if I wanted to keep a 5.1 set up in my PC den you are probably right and I would have to think about an amp or receiver. It would also allow me to get the best out of my small collection of PC-based HD recordings. To be honest though although it's nice having the ability of outputting music in a 5.1 virtual mix like Dolby PL2 I spend less time than I used to doing that and I usually go to the living room for movies in surround sound, so maybe a good stereo speaker set up would do. I've used the external Sound Blaster USB X-Fi in the past. I've always liked the Creative Sound Blaster range and their latest top card is an internal one called the ZX. I use it and it's great! The reason I gave up the external card was it could only handle 5.1 if it was compressed to a lower bitrate. I think when USB3 becomes standard with HDMI out this will no longer be an issue for external cards. Optical toslink connections inherently can't handle 5.1 channels without reducing the sound quality. They are fine for stereo though. Anyway, I'll definitely consider the configuration you suggest. I'm even thinking of testing a Sonos Connect (which lives in the Livingroom system) as an experiment and connecting it to my PC. It has a line in as well as out and therefore
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Yes, I agre so much - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" <grtd...@internode.on.net> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 9:18 PM Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers I think one of the greatest advances for connecting AVR equipment to a computer is probably one of the simplist to understand for the average user and that's the HDMI connection, say connect your computer to a HDMI input on your modern-day AVR equipment, choose the HDMI output from your computer, select the appropriate HDMI input on your AVR system and that's it! no multiple leads to connect from your computers sound card or device, no multiple settings to worry about and no accessibility issues going through a control panel or App of a Sound device. On 22/08/2016 6:14 AM, Andy wrote: Hi again John. God, it's getting even more complicated eh? I'd just love, like yourself, to keep it simple, but it simply isn't going to happen is it? Good quality audio from computers, TV's and interfacing that with AV units or amps has historically resulted in multiple complexities and it's only people like us who may know a little about these things that gain the benefits. One day you will with no understanding whatsoever about technology , be able to play audio from any device through your home system, without even thinking about it. I really couldn't tell you what was the best method of drawing all these threads together and with every year, it's getting even more complicated. Wouldn't it be nice to buy a good computer with high quality sound and you could simply download audio from Itunes or otherwise, listen to it and edit it and post it again without any effort whatsoever! - Original Message - From: "John Gurd" <j.g...@ntlworld.com> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:08 PM Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers Hi Andy, That's a thought which I'll have to ponder some more. I know desktop speakers for PC are nearly always rubbish but the ones Dane linked to are an exception. But a separate amp or receiver for my PC is a possibility. My PC is in a den too as my wife banned PCs from the living room so instead I've got a high end set up in the Livingroom similar to yours minus the PC. Believe it or not in my PC room/den I used to have 2 PCs with 2 sound cards each going through a sound mixer and then output through an amplifier and stereo speakers. That was in the days when I used to broadcast on internet radio. The 2nd PC was a backup for when things went wrong with my main machine which sometimes happened. Anyway, I've simplified things since then getting rid of redundant equipment. I now have one of the few self-amplified 5.1 systems that can plug into a sound card without an amplifier. I also use a splitter to a little transmitter that lets me use the old-style wireless headphones and portable speakers so I can have audio from my PC in other rooms. The Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers sound reasonable for their price and age but as they're quite elderly I want something better. I was hoping to keep it simple but if I wanted to keep a 5.1 set up in my PC den you are probably right and I would have to think about an amp or receiver. It would also allow me to get the best out of my small collection of PC-based HD recordings. To be honest though although it's nice having the ability of outputting music in a 5.1 virtual mix like Dolby PL2 I spend less time than I used to doing that and I usually go to the living room for movies in surround sound, so maybe a good stereo speaker set up would do. I've used the external Sound Blaster USB X-Fi in the past. I've always liked the Creative Sound Blaster range and their latest top card is an internal one called the ZX. I use it and it's great! The reason I gave up the external card was it could only handle 5.1 if it was compressed to a lower bitrate. I think when USB3 becomes standard with HDMI out this will no longer be an issue for external cards. Optical toslink connections inherently can't handle 5.1 channels without reducing the sound quality. They are fine for stereo though. Anyway, I'll definitely consider the configuration you suggest. I'm even thinking of testing a Sonos Connect (which lives in the Livingroom system) as an experiment and connecting it to my PC. It has a line in as well as out and therefore could carry audio from my PC simultaneously to my room speakers and to the Sonos speakers in my bedroom. If it was successful I could add Sonos speakers elsewhere in the house. It has the added bonus of letting me use Apple Music and Amazon Prime music and controlling it from an iPhone app. I haven't thought this through properly so I'm going to experiment to see if there are any snags. Cheers John -Original Message-
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That doesn't help someone who wants to go the other way and go vintage and use a system like the sx1980 from pioneer or the marantz 2500. And there is a dealer here in vancouver that sells and repairs all that stuff. I've fallen off the wagon by design. - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" <grtd...@internode.on.net> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 1:18 PM Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers I think one of the greatest advances for connecting AVR equipment to a computer is probably one of the simplist to understand for the average user and that's the HDMI connection, say connect your computer to a HDMI input on your modern-day AVR equipment, choose the HDMI output from your computer, select the appropriate HDMI input on your AVR system and that's it! no multiple leads to connect from your computers sound card or device, no multiple settings to worry about and no accessibility issues going through a control panel or App of a Sound device. On 22/08/2016 6:14 AM, Andy wrote: Hi again John. God, it's getting even more complicated eh? I'd just love, like yourself, to keep it simple, but it simply isn't going to happen is it? Good quality audio from computers, TV's and interfacing that with AV units or amps has historically resulted in multiple complexities and it's only people like us who may know a little about these things that gain the benefits. One day you will with no understanding whatsoever about technology , be able to play audio from any device through your home system, without even thinking about it. I really couldn't tell you what was the best method of drawing all these threads together and with every year, it's getting even more complicated. Wouldn't it be nice to buy a good computer with high quality sound and you could simply download audio from Itunes or otherwise, listen to it and edit it and post it again without any effort whatsoever! - Original Message - From: "John Gurd" <j.g...@ntlworld.com> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:08 PM Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers Hi Andy, That's a thought which I'll have to ponder some more. I know desktop speakers for PC are nearly always rubbish but the ones Dane linked to are an exception. But a separate amp or receiver for my PC is a possibility. My PC is in a den too as my wife banned PCs from the living room so instead I've got a high end set up in the Livingroom similar to yours minus the PC. Believe it or not in my PC room/den I used to have 2 PCs with 2 sound cards each going through a sound mixer and then output through an amplifier and stereo speakers. That was in the days when I used to broadcast on internet radio. The 2nd PC was a backup for when things went wrong with my main machine which sometimes happened. Anyway, I've simplified things since then getting rid of redundant equipment. I now have one of the few self-amplified 5.1 systems that can plug into a sound card without an amplifier. I also use a splitter to a little transmitter that lets me use the old-style wireless headphones and portable speakers so I can have audio from my PC in other rooms. The Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers sound reasonable for their price and age but as they're quite elderly I want something better. I was hoping to keep it simple but if I wanted to keep a 5.1 set up in my PC den you are probably right and I would have to think about an amp or receiver. It would also allow me to get the best out of my small collection of PC-based HD recordings. To be honest though although it's nice having the ability of outputting music in a 5.1 virtual mix like Dolby PL2 I spend less time than I used to doing that and I usually go to the living room for movies in surround sound, so maybe a good stereo speaker set up would do. I've used the external Sound Blaster USB X-Fi in the past. I've always liked the Creative Sound Blaster range and their latest top card is an internal one called the ZX. I use it and it's great! The reason I gave up the external card was it could only handle 5.1 if it was compressed to a lower bitrate. I think when USB3 becomes standard with HDMI out this will no longer be an issue for external cards. Optical toslink connections inherently can't handle 5.1 channels without reducing the sound quality. They are fine for stereo though. Anyway, I'll definitely consider the configuration you suggest. I'm even thinking of testing a Sonos Connect (which lives in the Livingroom system) as an experiment and connecting it to my PC. It has a line in as well as out and therefore could carry audio from my PC simultaneously to my room speakers and to the Sonos speakers in my bedroom. If it was successful I could add Sonos speakers elsewhere in the house. It has the
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I think one of the greatest advances for connecting AVR equipment to a computer is probably one of the simplist to understand for the average user and that's the HDMI connection, say connect your computer to a HDMI input on your modern-day AVR equipment, choose the HDMI output from your computer, select the appropriate HDMI input on your AVR system and that's it! no multiple leads to connect from your computers sound card or device, no multiple settings to worry about and no accessibility issues going through a control panel or App of a Sound device. On 22/08/2016 6:14 AM, Andy wrote: Hi again John. God, it's getting even more complicated eh? I'd just love, like yourself, to keep it simple, but it simply isn't going to happen is it? Good quality audio from computers, TV's and interfacing that with AV units or amps has historically resulted in multiple complexities and it's only people like us who may know a little about these things that gain the benefits. One day you will with no understanding whatsoever about technology , be able to play audio from any device through your home system, without even thinking about it. I really couldn't tell you what was the best method of drawing all these threads together and with every year, it's getting even more complicated. Wouldn't it be nice to buy a good computer with high quality sound and you could simply download audio from Itunes or otherwise, listen to it and edit it and post it again without any effort whatsoever! - Original Message - From: "John Gurd" <j.g...@ntlworld.com> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:08 PM Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers Hi Andy, That's a thought which I'll have to ponder some more. I know desktop speakers for PC are nearly always rubbish but the ones Dane linked to are an exception. But a separate amp or receiver for my PC is a possibility. My PC is in a den too as my wife banned PCs from the living room so instead I've got a high end set up in the Livingroom similar to yours minus the PC. Believe it or not in my PC room/den I used to have 2 PCs with 2 sound cards each going through a sound mixer and then output through an amplifier and stereo speakers. That was in the days when I used to broadcast on internet radio. The 2nd PC was a backup for when things went wrong with my main machine which sometimes happened. Anyway, I've simplified things since then getting rid of redundant equipment. I now have one of the few self-amplified 5.1 systems that can plug into a sound card without an amplifier. I also use a splitter to a little transmitter that lets me use the old-style wireless headphones and portable speakers so I can have audio from my PC in other rooms. The Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers sound reasonable for their price and age but as they're quite elderly I want something better. I was hoping to keep it simple but if I wanted to keep a 5.1 set up in my PC den you are probably right and I would have to think about an amp or receiver. It would also allow me to get the best out of my small collection of PC-based HD recordings. To be honest though although it's nice having the ability of outputting music in a 5.1 virtual mix like Dolby PL2 I spend less time than I used to doing that and I usually go to the living room for movies in surround sound, so maybe a good stereo speaker set up would do. I've used the external Sound Blaster USB X-Fi in the past. I've always liked the Creative Sound Blaster range and their latest top card is an internal one called the ZX. I use it and it's great! The reason I gave up the external card was it could only handle 5.1 if it was compressed to a lower bitrate. I think when USB3 becomes standard with HDMI out this will no longer be an issue for external cards. Optical toslink connections inherently can't handle 5.1 channels without reducing the sound quality. They are fine for stereo though. Anyway, I'll definitely consider the configuration you suggest. I'm even thinking of testing a Sonos Connect (which lives in the Livingroom system) as an experiment and connecting it to my PC. It has a line in as well as out and therefore could carry audio from my PC simultaneously to my room speakers and to the Sonos speakers in my bedroom. If it was successful I could add Sonos speakers elsewhere in the house. It has the added bonus of letting me use Apple Music and Amazon Prime music and controlling it from an iPhone app. I haven't thought this through properly so I'm going to experiment to see if there are any snags. Cheers John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: 20 August 2016 13:39 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers Hi John. Sorry for butting into your conversation, but I simply must tell you about my own experien
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Hi again John. God, it's getting even more complicated eh? I'd just love, like yourself, to keep it simple, but it simply isn't going to happen is it? Good quality audio from computers, TV's and interfacing that with AV units or amps has historically resulted in multiple complexities and it's only people like us who may know a little about these things that gain the benefits. One day you will with no understanding whatsoever about technology , be able to play audio from any device through your home system, without even thinking about it. I really couldn't tell you what was the best method of drawing all these threads together and with every year, it's getting even more complicated. Wouldn't it be nice to buy a good computer with high quality sound and you could simply download audio from Itunes or otherwise, listen to it and edit it and post it again without any effort whatsoever! - Original Message - From: "John Gurd" <j.g...@ntlworld.com> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:08 PM Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers Hi Andy, That's a thought which I'll have to ponder some more. I know desktop speakers for PC are nearly always rubbish but the ones Dane linked to are an exception. But a separate amp or receiver for my PC is a possibility. My PC is in a den too as my wife banned PCs from the living room so instead I've got a high end set up in the Livingroom similar to yours minus the PC. Believe it or not in my PC room/den I used to have 2 PCs with 2 sound cards each going through a sound mixer and then output through an amplifier and stereo speakers. That was in the days when I used to broadcast on internet radio. The 2nd PC was a backup for when things went wrong with my main machine which sometimes happened. Anyway, I've simplified things since then getting rid of redundant equipment. I now have one of the few self-amplified 5.1 systems that can plug into a sound card without an amplifier. I also use a splitter to a little transmitter that lets me use the old-style wireless headphones and portable speakers so I can have audio from my PC in other rooms. The Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers sound reasonable for their price and age but as they're quite elderly I want something better. I was hoping to keep it simple but if I wanted to keep a 5.1 set up in my PC den you are probably right and I would have to think about an amp or receiver. It would also allow me to get the best out of my small collection of PC-based HD recordings. To be honest though although it's nice having the ability of outputting music in a 5.1 virtual mix like Dolby PL2 I spend less time than I used to doing that and I usually go to the living room for movies in surround sound, so maybe a good stereo speaker set up would do. I've used the external Sound Blaster USB X-Fi in the past. I've always liked the Creative Sound Blaster range and their latest top card is an internal one called the ZX. I use it and it's great! The reason I gave up the external card was it could only handle 5.1 if it was compressed to a lower bitrate. I think when USB3 becomes standard with HDMI out this will no longer be an issue for external cards. Optical toslink connections inherently can't handle 5.1 channels without reducing the sound quality. They are fine for stereo though. Anyway, I'll definitely consider the configuration you suggest. I'm even thinking of testing a Sonos Connect (which lives in the Livingroom system) as an experiment and connecting it to my PC. It has a line in as well as out and therefore could carry audio from my PC simultaneously to my room speakers and to the Sonos speakers in my bedroom. If it was successful I could add Sonos speakers elsewhere in the house. It has the added bonus of letting me use Apple Music and Amazon Prime music and controlling it from an iPhone app. I haven't thought this through properly so I'm going to experiment to see if there are any snags. Cheers John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: 20 August 2016 13:39 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers Hi John. Sorry for butting into your conversation, but I simply must tell you about my own experiences regarding high quality audio from my computers, before you spend more money on desk-top speakers for your computer, that will most probably end up disapointing you. Firstly, I buy most of my equipment from Richard Sound, in Jamaca Street, Glasgow. I've got a very good friend called Rob Horn who used to work for them but is now self employed and he sets all of this stuff up for me, when I need him. In my livingroom I have a Windows 7 computer, Soundblaster XFy sound card going into an Oncio AV Unit and there is also a 42 inch Philips plasma and Pioneer DVD recorder/player. The 5.1 spea
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Let's take channel separation on its own as that's an interesting one. No, the cheaper devices such as Logitech or the cheaper JBL probably couldn't give a damn about that but in the higher end devices such as those from B its taken svery seriously. In the A7 for example the DSP circuitry handles all that and it does a surprising job for such a small unit as the A7 is. Some systems such as Sonos and a lot of the bose expect you to purchase two units if you actually want stereo and Sonos in particular don't do an incredible job of telling people that it seems. On 21/08/2016 12:29 PM, Hamit Campos wrote: Amen bro. Yeah I kinda figured Logitech didn't really care. Just cause there audio catalog ain't all that big. They're more about mice keyboards and so on. So understood. Gimics is another problem. I think Bose may do some of that. Some SRS like stuff. Some bose speakers like the SL Mini and stuff like that don't have enough channel ceperation. The OEI headphones thankfully do a bit more. So yeah there's that too. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 8:57 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers Okay I’ll put it another way and this is just my two cents worth again in the discussion. Logitech and so on are not known for audio products in general, yes they’ve made some good products that are classic but generally Logitech aren’t interested in Audio Quality as such, with Logitech its about what they can sell and how much of it can be sold whereas people like B, Kef and so on have a name for audio quality, you see the name of Kef etc in the Hi-Fi magazines and you hear those names talked about at Audiophile clubs and functions. Logitech also like gimmicks as do a lot of other company’s it seems and yes, I’ll mention Sonos here too as they like gimmicks too, the “Trueplay” option would appear to be one. Now I’m not a gimmick person, all I want is good quality audio and no, I can’t afford the best and I know I can’t so I want to get the best I can afford so I read reviews, white papers, specifications and so on and those great quality names like B, Kef and so on keep coming up and not so much for bells, whistles and gimmicks but for good quality sound. On 21 Aug 2016, at 10:21 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: Ah I've not heard any of these others in person. I almost heard the K 1s. Kef is it? But sadly I didn't end up going to Kevan's place. A homy of mine. So I didn't get to hear them in person. The Logitech I've heard cause another homy had some and a music appreciation teacher also had some. But of all the things I've heard in person I loved Bose. From what I've heard JBL is epic too. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:08 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers Since I've been looking at B, Kef and the like I've not even considered Bose or Logitech, Yes I've owned Bose speakers, no point denying it and I've owned Logitech. If you like Bose and logitech then that's fine but they do indeed sound second rate when we're talking premium stuff from Kef and the like. Kef and B aren't all that more expensive so when all is said and done, its worth the wait even if you have to save your penny's, I very much enjoy my B A7 and as I've already said, for the Desktop speakers it will be a toss-up between Kef and B On 21/08/2016 5:10 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: I've heard some. They were good enough I suppose. They weren't chrisp enough for me though, and the bass wasn't theater like enough. Hence though they are a fake 5.1 system I got the Bose Companion 5 system. S Sure they're not true 5.1, but they are USB and what's more they are Bose. So they are crisp and cinema like. Those other 1s were Logitech. I've heard 2 systems. I will admit also that those that the Logitech had good channel separation for 5.1. But I guess were I to do surround I'd go the AV road. Going the AV road you could now even do Dolby Atmos surround sound. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 10:30 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers I can’t comment on the 5.1 desktop speakers, I never used any of those and - by the time I even thought about using some - they’d gone of the market but thankfully good stereo desktop computer speakers seem to be entering the market again if you know where to look. Yamaha make some stuff which might be worth a look too. On 20 Aug 2016, at 6:38 PM, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote: The information on these speakers is really interesting
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Ah Clypsch that's another brand I've not heard in person. Nor on youtube. I've heard of them though because HP's good trusty old M495C had speakers from them as an option. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Byron Stephens Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 8:59 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers I know klipsch are right up there with quality stuff. I've yet to get a pare of their promedia 2.1 set. - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" <grtd...@internode.on.net> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 5:57 PM Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers Okay I’ll put it another way and this is just my two cents worth again in the discussion. Logitech and so on are not known for audio products in general, yes they’ve made some good products that are classic but generally Logitech aren’t interested in Audio Quality as such, with Logitech its about what they can sell and how much of it can be sold whereas people like B, Kef and so on have a name for audio quality, you see the name of Kef etc in the Hi-Fi magazines and you hear those names talked about at Audiophile clubs and functions. Logitech also like gimmicks as do a lot of other company’s it seems and yes, I’ll mention Sonos here too as they like gimmicks too, the “Trueplay” option would appear to be one. Now I’m not a gimmick person, all I want is good quality audio and no, I can’t afford the best and I know I can’t so I want to get the best I can afford so I read reviews, white papers, specifications and so on and those great quality names like B, Kef and so on keep coming up and not so much for bells, whistles and gimmicks but for good quality sound. > On 21 Aug 2016, at 10:21 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Ah I've not heard any of these others in person. I almost heard the K 1s. > Kef is it? But sadly I didn't end up going to Kevan's place. A homy > of mine. So I didn't get to hear them in person. The Logitech I've > heard cause another homy had some and a music appreciation teacher > also had some. But of all the things I've heard in person I loved > Bose. From what I've heard JBL is epic too. > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of > Dane Trethowan > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:08 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers > > Since I've been looking at B, Kef and the like I've not even > considered Bose or Logitech, Yes I've owned Bose speakers, no point > denying it and I've owned Logitech. If you like Bose and logitech > then that's fine but they do indeed sound second rate when we're > talking premium stuff from Kef and the like. > > > Kef and B aren't all that more expensive so when all is said and > done, its worth the wait even if you have to save your penny's, I very > much enjoy my B A7 and as I've already said, for the Desktop > speakers it will be a toss-up between Kef and B > > > > > On 21/08/2016 5:10 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: >> I've heard some. They were good enough I suppose. They weren't chrisp >> enough for me though, and the bass wasn't theater like enough. Hence >> though they are a fake 5.1 system I got the Bose Companion 5 system. >> S Sure they're not true 5.1, but they are USB and what's more they >> are Bose. So they are crisp and cinema like. Those other 1s were Logitech. >> I've heard 2 systems. I will admit also that those that the Logitech >> had good channel separation for 5.1. But I guess were I to do >> surround I'd go the AV road. Going the AV road you could now even do >> Dolby Atmos surround sound. >> -Original Message- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >> Dane Trethowan >> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 10:30 AM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers >> >> I can’t comment on the 5.1 desktop speakers, I never used any of >> those and - by the time I even thought about using some - they’d gone >> of the market but thankfully good stereo desktop computer speakers >> seem to be entering the market again if you know where to look. >> >> Yamaha make some stuff which might be worth a look too. >> >> >>> On 20 Aug 2016, at 6:38 PM, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote: >>> >>> The information on these speakers is really interesting. I've never >>> heard of the egg series. It got me wondering about the 5.1 Egg set >>> rang
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Amen bro. Yeah I kinda figured Logitech didn't really care. Just cause there audio catalog ain't all that big. They're more about mice keyboards and so on. So understood. Gimics is another problem. I think Bose may do some of that. Some SRS like stuff. Some bose speakers like the SL Mini and stuff like that don't have enough channel ceperation. The OEI headphones thankfully do a bit more. So yeah there's that too. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 8:57 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers Okay I’ll put it another way and this is just my two cents worth again in the discussion. Logitech and so on are not known for audio products in general, yes they’ve made some good products that are classic but generally Logitech aren’t interested in Audio Quality as such, with Logitech its about what they can sell and how much of it can be sold whereas people like B, Kef and so on have a name for audio quality, you see the name of Kef etc in the Hi-Fi magazines and you hear those names talked about at Audiophile clubs and functions. Logitech also like gimmicks as do a lot of other company’s it seems and yes, I’ll mention Sonos here too as they like gimmicks too, the “Trueplay” option would appear to be one. Now I’m not a gimmick person, all I want is good quality audio and no, I can’t afford the best and I know I can’t so I want to get the best I can afford so I read reviews, white papers, specifications and so on and those great quality names like B, Kef and so on keep coming up and not so much for bells, whistles and gimmicks but for good quality sound. > On 21 Aug 2016, at 10:21 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Ah I've not heard any of these others in person. I almost heard the K 1s. Kef > is it? But sadly I didn't end up going to Kevan's place. A homy of mine. So > I didn't get to hear them in person. The Logitech I've heard cause another > homy had some and a music appreciation teacher also had some. But of all the > things I've heard in person I loved Bose. From what I've heard JBL is epic > too. > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of > Dane Trethowan > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:08 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers > > Since I've been looking at B, Kef and the like I've not even considered > Bose or Logitech, Yes I've owned Bose speakers, no point denying it and I've > owned Logitech. If you like Bose and logitech then that's fine but they do > indeed sound second rate when we're talking premium stuff from Kef and the > like. > > > Kef and B aren't all that more expensive so when all is said and done, its > worth the wait even if you have to save your penny's, I very much enjoy my > B A7 and as I've already said, for the Desktop speakers it will be a > toss-up between Kef and B > > > > > On 21/08/2016 5:10 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: >> I've heard some. They were good enough I suppose. They weren't chrisp >> enough for me though, and the bass wasn't theater like enough. Hence though >> they are a fake 5.1 system I got the Bose Companion 5 system. S Sure they're >> not true 5.1, but they are USB and what's more they are Bose. So they are >> crisp and cinema like. Those other 1s were Logitech. I've heard 2 systems. I >> will admit also that those that the Logitech had good channel separation for >> 5.1. But I guess were I to do surround I'd go the AV road. Going the AV road >> you could now even do Dolby Atmos surround sound. >> -Original Message- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >> Dane Trethowan >> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 10:30 AM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers >> >> I can’t comment on the 5.1 desktop speakers, I never used any of those and - >> by the time I even thought about using some - they’d gone of the market but >> thankfully good stereo desktop computer speakers seem to be entering the >> market again if you know where to look. >> >> Yamaha make some stuff which might be worth a look too. >> >> >>> On 20 Aug 2016, at 6:38 PM, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote: >>> >>> The information on these speakers is really interesting. I've never heard >>> of the egg series. It got me wondering about the 5.1 Egg set range for my >>> PC but then I realised that particular range need an amplifier. At some >>> p
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I know klipsch are right up there with quality stuff. I've yet to get a pare of their promedia 2.1 set. - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" <grtd...@internode.on.net> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 5:57 PM Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers Okay I’ll put it another way and this is just my two cents worth again in the discussion. Logitech and so on are not known for audio products in general, yes they’ve made some good products that are classic but generally Logitech aren’t interested in Audio Quality as such, with Logitech its about what they can sell and how much of it can be sold whereas people like B, Kef and so on have a name for audio quality, you see the name of Kef etc in the Hi-Fi magazines and you hear those names talked about at Audiophile clubs and functions. Logitech also like gimmicks as do a lot of other company’s it seems and yes, I’ll mention Sonos here too as they like gimmicks too, the “Trueplay” option would appear to be one. Now I’m not a gimmick person, all I want is good quality audio and no, I can’t afford the best and I know I can’t so I want to get the best I can afford so I read reviews, white papers, specifications and so on and those great quality names like B, Kef and so on keep coming up and not so much for bells, whistles and gimmicks but for good quality sound. On 21 Aug 2016, at 10:21 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: Ah I've not heard any of these others in person. I almost heard the K 1s. Kef is it? But sadly I didn't end up going to Kevan's place. A homy of mine. So I didn't get to hear them in person. The Logitech I've heard cause another homy had some and a music appreciation teacher also had some. But of all the things I've heard in person I loved Bose. From what I've heard JBL is epic too. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:08 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers Since I've been looking at B, Kef and the like I've not even considered Bose or Logitech, Yes I've owned Bose speakers, no point denying it and I've owned Logitech. If you like Bose and logitech then that's fine but they do indeed sound second rate when we're talking premium stuff from Kef and the like. Kef and B aren't all that more expensive so when all is said and done, its worth the wait even if you have to save your penny's, I very much enjoy my B A7 and as I've already said, for the Desktop speakers it will be a toss-up between Kef and B On 21/08/2016 5:10 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: I've heard some. They were good enough I suppose. They weren't chrisp enough for me though, and the bass wasn't theater like enough. Hence though they are a fake 5.1 system I got the Bose Companion 5 system. S Sure they're not true 5.1, but they are USB and what's more they are Bose. So they are crisp and cinema like. Those other 1s were Logitech. I've heard 2 systems. I will admit also that those that the Logitech had good channel separation for 5.1. But I guess were I to do surround I'd go the AV road. Going the AV road you could now even do Dolby Atmos surround sound. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 10:30 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers I can’t comment on the 5.1 desktop speakers, I never used any of those and - by the time I even thought about using some - they’d gone of the market but thankfully good stereo desktop computer speakers seem to be entering the market again if you know where to look. Yamaha make some stuff which might be worth a look too. On 20 Aug 2016, at 6:38 PM, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote: The information on these speakers is really interesting. I've never heard of the egg series. It got me wondering about the 5.1 Egg set range for my PC but then I realised that particular range need an amplifier. At some point I'll have to replace my elderly Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers and there is nothing comparable on the market at the moment. A good stereo PC set may be the way to go. John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: 17 August 2016 19:20 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Desktop computer speakers Hi! It seems the mainstream speaker manufacturers are entering the computer desktop speaker market in droves and its probably about time too given the low quality of computer speakers these days. We've discussed the B M1 speakers in the past and now there's another model from Kef that shows us a thing or two when it comes to listening to music and good audio quali
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Okay I’ll put it another way and this is just my two cents worth again in the discussion. Logitech and so on are not known for audio products in general, yes they’ve made some good products that are classic but generally Logitech aren’t interested in Audio Quality as such, with Logitech its about what they can sell and how much of it can be sold whereas people like B, Kef and so on have a name for audio quality, you see the name of Kef etc in the Hi-Fi magazines and you hear those names talked about at Audiophile clubs and functions. Logitech also like gimmicks as do a lot of other company’s it seems and yes, I’ll mention Sonos here too as they like gimmicks too, the “Trueplay” option would appear to be one. Now I’m not a gimmick person, all I want is good quality audio and no, I can’t afford the best and I know I can’t so I want to get the best I can afford so I read reviews, white papers, specifications and so on and those great quality names like B, Kef and so on keep coming up and not so much for bells, whistles and gimmicks but for good quality sound. > On 21 Aug 2016, at 10:21 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Ah I've not heard any of these others in person. I almost heard the K 1s. Kef > is it? But sadly I didn't end up going to Kevan's place. A homy of mine. So > I didn't get to hear them in person. The Logitech I've heard cause another > homy had some and a music appreciation teacher also had some. But of all the > things I've heard in person I loved Bose. From what I've heard JBL is epic > too. > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane > Trethowan > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:08 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers > > Since I've been looking at B, Kef and the like I've not even considered > Bose or Logitech, Yes I've owned Bose speakers, no point denying it and I've > owned Logitech. If you like Bose and logitech then that's fine but they do > indeed sound second rate when we're talking premium stuff from Kef and the > like. > > > Kef and B aren't all that more expensive so when all is said and done, its > worth the wait even if you have to save your penny's, I very much enjoy my > B A7 and as I've already said, for the Desktop speakers it will be a > toss-up between Kef and B > > > > > On 21/08/2016 5:10 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: >> I've heard some. They were good enough I suppose. They weren't chrisp >> enough for me though, and the bass wasn't theater like enough. Hence though >> they are a fake 5.1 system I got the Bose Companion 5 system. S Sure they're >> not true 5.1, but they are USB and what's more they are Bose. So they are >> crisp and cinema like. Those other 1s were Logitech. I've heard 2 systems. I >> will admit also that those that the Logitech had good channel separation for >> 5.1. But I guess were I to do surround I'd go the AV road. Going the AV road >> you could now even do Dolby Atmos surround sound. >> -Original Message- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >> Dane Trethowan >> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 10:30 AM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers >> >> I can’t comment on the 5.1 desktop speakers, I never used any of those and - >> by the time I even thought about using some - they’d gone of the market but >> thankfully good stereo desktop computer speakers seem to be entering the >> market again if you know where to look. >> >> Yamaha make some stuff which might be worth a look too. >> >> >>> On 20 Aug 2016, at 6:38 PM, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote: >>> >>> The information on these speakers is really interesting. I've never heard >>> of the egg series. It got me wondering about the 5.1 Egg set range for my >>> PC but then I realised that particular range need an amplifier. At some >>> point I'll have to replace my elderly Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers and there >>> is nothing comparable on the market at the moment. A good stereo PC set may >>> be the way to go. >>> >>> John >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>> Dane Trethowan >>> Sent: 17 August 2016 19:20 >>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>> Subject: Desktop computer speakers >>> >>> Hi! >>> >>> It seems the mainstream speaker manufacturers are entering the computer >>> desktop spe
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Ah I've not heard any of these others in person. I almost heard the K 1s. Kef is it? But sadly I didn't end up going to Kevan's place. A homy of mine. So I didn't get to hear them in person. The Logitech I've heard cause another homy had some and a music appreciation teacher also had some. But of all the things I've heard in person I loved Bose. From what I've heard JBL is epic too. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:08 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers Since I've been looking at B, Kef and the like I've not even considered Bose or Logitech, Yes I've owned Bose speakers, no point denying it and I've owned Logitech. If you like Bose and logitech then that's fine but they do indeed sound second rate when we're talking premium stuff from Kef and the like. Kef and B aren't all that more expensive so when all is said and done, its worth the wait even if you have to save your penny's, I very much enjoy my B A7 and as I've already said, for the Desktop speakers it will be a toss-up between Kef and B On 21/08/2016 5:10 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: > I've heard some. They were good enough I suppose. They weren't chrisp > enough for me though, and the bass wasn't theater like enough. Hence though > they are a fake 5.1 system I got the Bose Companion 5 system. S Sure they're > not true 5.1, but they are USB and what's more they are Bose. So they are > crisp and cinema like. Those other 1s were Logitech. I've heard 2 systems. I > will admit also that those that the Logitech had good channel separation for > 5.1. But I guess were I to do surround I'd go the AV road. Going the AV road > you could now even do Dolby Atmos surround sound. > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of > Dane Trethowan > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 10:30 AM > To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers > > I can’t comment on the 5.1 desktop speakers, I never used any of those and - > by the time I even thought about using some - they’d gone of the market but > thankfully good stereo desktop computer speakers seem to be entering the > market again if you know where to look. > > Yamaha make some stuff which might be worth a look too. > > >> On 20 Aug 2016, at 6:38 PM, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote: >> >> The information on these speakers is really interesting. I've never heard of >> the egg series. It got me wondering about the 5.1 Egg set range for my PC >> but then I realised that particular range need an amplifier. At some point >> I'll have to replace my elderly Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers and there is >> nothing comparable on the market at the moment. A good stereo PC set may be >> the way to go. >> >> John >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >> Dane Trethowan >> Sent: 17 August 2016 19:20 >> To: PC Audio Discussion List >> Subject: Desktop computer speakers >> >> Hi! >> >> It seems the mainstream speaker manufacturers are entering the computer >> desktop speaker market in droves and its probably about time too given the >> low quality of computer speakers these days. >> We've discussed the B M1 speakers in the past and now there's another >> model from Kef that shows us a thing or two when it comes to listening to >> music and good audio quality from your speakers, the Kef Eggs It shouldn't >> be too difficult for anyone to guess the shape of these speakers . >> Like the B M1's the Eggs can plug directly into a computer via its USB >> port but the system also boasts an Optical In digital connection for other >> devices such as a TV, Digital radio etc and a sub-wooffer out should you >> need one. >> I've not had a chance to listen to these speakers here but the review >> linked to below seems to suggest that a sub-woofer may not be >> required in most situations and - having heard a lot of Kef speakers >> myself - that's how I also imagine things >> http://www.whathifi.com/kef/egg/review >> >> > ** > Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the > halfwits in this world behind. > > > > >
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Since I've been looking at B, Kef and the like I've not even considered Bose or Logitech, Yes I've owned Bose speakers, no point denying it and I've owned Logitech. If you like Bose and logitech then that's fine but they do indeed sound second rate when we're talking premium stuff from Kef and the like. Kef and B aren't all that more expensive so when all is said and done, its worth the wait even if you have to save your penny's, I very much enjoy my B A7 and as I've already said, for the Desktop speakers it will be a toss-up between Kef and B On 21/08/2016 5:10 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: I've heard some. They were good enough I suppose. They weren't chrisp enough for me though, and the bass wasn't theater like enough. Hence though they are a fake 5.1 system I got the Bose Companion 5 system. S Sure they're not true 5.1, but they are USB and what's more they are Bose. So they are crisp and cinema like. Those other 1s were Logitech. I've heard 2 systems. I will admit also that those that the Logitech had good channel separation for 5.1. But I guess were I to do surround I'd go the AV road. Going the AV road you could now even do Dolby Atmos surround sound. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 10:30 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers I can’t comment on the 5.1 desktop speakers, I never used any of those and - by the time I even thought about using some - they’d gone of the market but thankfully good stereo desktop computer speakers seem to be entering the market again if you know where to look. Yamaha make some stuff which might be worth a look too. On 20 Aug 2016, at 6:38 PM, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote: The information on these speakers is really interesting. I've never heard of the egg series. It got me wondering about the 5.1 Egg set range for my PC but then I realised that particular range need an amplifier. At some point I'll have to replace my elderly Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers and there is nothing comparable on the market at the moment. A good stereo PC set may be the way to go. John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: 17 August 2016 19:20 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Desktop computer speakers Hi! It seems the mainstream speaker manufacturers are entering the computer desktop speaker market in droves and its probably about time too given the low quality of computer speakers these days. We've discussed the B M1 speakers in the past and now there's another model from Kef that shows us a thing or two when it comes to listening to music and good audio quality from your speakers, the Kef Eggs It shouldn't be too difficult for anyone to guess the shape of these speakers . Like the B M1's the Eggs can plug directly into a computer via its USB port but the system also boasts an Optical In digital connection for other devices such as a TV, Digital radio etc and a sub-wooffer out should you need one. I've not had a chance to listen to these speakers here but the review linked to below seems to suggest that a sub-woofer may not be required in most situations and - having heard a lot of Kef speakers myself - that's how I also imagine things http://www.whathifi.com/kef/egg/review ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind.
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I've heard some. They were good enough I suppose. They weren't chrisp enough for me though, and the bass wasn't theater like enough. Hence though they are a fake 5.1 system I got the Bose Companion 5 system. S Sure they're not true 5.1, but they are USB and what's more they are Bose. So they are crisp and cinema like. Those other 1s were Logitech. I've heard 2 systems. I will admit also that those that the Logitech had good channel separation for 5.1. But I guess were I to do surround I'd go the AV road. Going the AV road you could now even do Dolby Atmos surround sound. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 10:30 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers I can’t comment on the 5.1 desktop speakers, I never used any of those and - by the time I even thought about using some - they’d gone of the market but thankfully good stereo desktop computer speakers seem to be entering the market again if you know where to look. Yamaha make some stuff which might be worth a look too. > On 20 Aug 2016, at 6:38 PM, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > The information on these speakers is really interesting. I've never heard of > the egg series. It got me wondering about the 5.1 Egg set range for my PC but > then I realised that particular range need an amplifier. At some point I'll > have to replace my elderly Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers and there is nothing > comparable on the market at the moment. A good stereo PC set may be the way > to go. > > John > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane > Trethowan > Sent: 17 August 2016 19:20 > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Desktop computer speakers > > Hi! > > It seems the mainstream speaker manufacturers are entering the computer > desktop speaker market in droves and its probably about time too given the > low quality of computer speakers these days. > We've discussed the B M1 speakers in the past and now there's another model > from Kef that shows us a thing or two when it comes to listening to music and > good audio quality from your speakers, the Kef Eggs It shouldn't be too > difficult for anyone to guess the shape of these speakers . > Like the B M1's the Eggs can plug directly into a computer via its USB port > but the system also boasts an Optical In digital connection for other devices > such as a TV, Digital radio etc and a sub-wooffer out should you need one. > I've not had a chance to listen to these speakers here but the review linked > to below seems to suggest that a sub-woofer may not be required in most > situations and - having heard a lot of Kef speakers myself - that's how I > also imagine things http://www.whathifi.com/kef/egg/review > > ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind.
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Of course when we talk today's modern desktop computer speakers all that crap about Sound Cards and accessibility goes right out the Window - thank Goodness for that - as the speakers have their own sound device built right into them which can be directly controlled from Windows, Mac, LYNUX etc. On 21/08/2016 2:26 AM, Casey wrote: Hi you talk3d about the sound blaster ZX internal card. Now can you use the control panel that is with this card to adjust any of its settings with your screen reader? Also can you still get one of thees sound blaster ZX cards today and for what price roughly?
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Hi you talk3d about the sound blaster ZX internal card. Now can you use the control panel that is with this card to adjust any of its settings with your screen reader? Also can you still get one of thees sound blaster ZX cards today and for what price roughly? -- Casey
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Yes, the Kef Egg system is beautiful so - for me - its a toss-up between the B M1 and the Kef Eggs and there's another Yamaha system which I can't remember the model number of that I like. The B M1 are superb however the others are more flexible given they have digital inputs, the Kef system can support an extra sub-woofer should you really want one - and - in the case of the Yamaha - you can sync it to other systems via an App, stream to them etc. On 21/08/2016 1:08 AM, John Gurd wrote: Hi Andy, That's a thought which I'll have to ponder some more. I know desktop speakers for PC are nearly always rubbish but the ones Dane linked to are an exception. But a separate amp or receiver for my PC is a possibility. My PC is in a den too as my wife banned PCs from the living room so instead I've got a high end set up in the Livingroom similar to yours minus the PC. Believe it or not in my PC room/den I used to have 2 PCs with 2 sound cards each going through a sound mixer and then output through an amplifier and stereo speakers. That was in the days when I used to broadcast on internet radio. The 2nd PC was a backup for when things went wrong with my main machine which sometimes happened. Anyway, I've simplified things since then getting rid of redundant equipment. I now have one of the few self-amplified 5.1 systems that can plug into a sound card without an amplifier. I also use a splitter to a little transmitter that lets me use the old-style wireless headphones and portable speakers so I can have audio from my PC in other rooms. The Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers sound reasonable for their price and age but as they're quite elderly I want something better. I was hoping to keep it simple but if I wanted to keep a 5.1 set up in my PC den you are probably right and I would have to think about an amp or receiver. It would also allow me to get the best out of my small collection of PC-based HD recordings. To be honest though although it's nice having the ability of outputting music in a 5.1 virtual mix like Dolby PL2 I spend less time than I used to doing that and I usually go to the living room for movies in surround sound, so maybe a good stereo speaker set up would do. I've used the external Sound Blaster USB X-Fi in the past. I've always liked the Creative Sound Blaster range and their latest top card is an internal one called the ZX. I use it and it's great! The reason I gave up the external card was it could only handle 5.1 if it was compressed to a lower bitrate. I think when USB3 becomes standard with HDMI out this will no longer be an issue for external cards. Optical toslink connections inherently can't handle 5.1 channels without reducing the sound quality. They are fine for stereo though. Anyway, I'll definitely consider the configuration you suggest. I'm even thinking of testing a Sonos Connect (which lives in the Livingroom system) as an experiment and connecting it to my PC. It has a line in as well as out and therefore could carry audio from my PC simultaneously to my room speakers and to the Sonos speakers in my bedroom. If it was successful I could add Sonos speakers elsewhere in the house. It has the added bonus of letting me use Apple Music and Amazon Prime music and controlling it from an iPhone app. I haven't thought this through properly so I'm going to experiment to see if there are any snags. Cheers John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: 20 August 2016 13:39 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers Hi John. Sorry for butting into your conversation, but I simply must tell you about my own experiences regarding high quality audio from my computers, before you spend more money on desk-top speakers for your computer, that will most probably end up disapointing you. Firstly, I buy most of my equipment from Richard Sound, in Jamaca Street, Glasgow. I've got a very good friend called Rob Horn who used to work for them but is now self employed and he sets all of this stuff up for me, when I need him. In my livingroom I have a Windows 7 computer, Soundblaster XFy sound card going into an Oncio AV Unit and there is also a 42 inch Philips plasma and Pioneer DVD recorder/player. The 5.1 speaker system is provided by a Quad Light system and although this set up is rather expensive, it's magnificent, particularly because it's bloody loud and I have no local neibours to disturb by the noise. But generally, I don't use this system when on my own with no friends or house guests at home, so I have a second set-up. in my little Den, I have a Windows 7 computer, Soundblaster XFy sound card, going into another Oncio AV unit, but this time the left and right channels are going into a splitter and send out 2 channel sterio to my study and the dining room. I have a spare socket for outdoor speakers but as it's always raining up here, what
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Hi Andy, That's a thought which I'll have to ponder some more. I know desktop speakers for PC are nearly always rubbish but the ones Dane linked to are an exception. But a separate amp or receiver for my PC is a possibility. My PC is in a den too as my wife banned PCs from the living room so instead I've got a high end set up in the Livingroom similar to yours minus the PC. Believe it or not in my PC room/den I used to have 2 PCs with 2 sound cards each going through a sound mixer and then output through an amplifier and stereo speakers. That was in the days when I used to broadcast on internet radio. The 2nd PC was a backup for when things went wrong with my main machine which sometimes happened. Anyway, I've simplified things since then getting rid of redundant equipment. I now have one of the few self-amplified 5.1 systems that can plug into a sound card without an amplifier. I also use a splitter to a little transmitter that lets me use the old-style wireless headphones and portable speakers so I can have audio from my PC in other rooms. The Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers sound reasonable for their price and age but as they're quite elderly I want something better. I was hoping to keep it simple but if I wanted to keep a 5.1 set up in my PC den you are probably right and I would have to think about an amp or receiver. It would also allow me to get the best out of my small collection of PC-based HD recordings. To be honest though although it's nice having the ability of outputting music in a 5.1 virtual mix like Dolby PL2 I spend less time than I used to doing that and I usually go to the living room for movies in surround sound, so maybe a good stereo speaker set up would do. I've used the external Sound Blaster USB X-Fi in the past. I've always liked the Creative Sound Blaster range and their latest top card is an internal one called the ZX. I use it and it's great! The reason I gave up the external card was it could only handle 5.1 if it was compressed to a lower bitrate. I think when USB3 becomes standard with HDMI out this will no longer be an issue for external cards. Optical toslink connections inherently can't handle 5.1 channels without reducing the sound quality. They are fine for stereo though. Anyway, I'll definitely consider the configuration you suggest. I'm even thinking of testing a Sonos Connect (which lives in the Livingroom system) as an experiment and connecting it to my PC. It has a line in as well as out and therefore could carry audio from my PC simultaneously to my room speakers and to the Sonos speakers in my bedroom. If it was successful I could add Sonos speakers elsewhere in the house. It has the added bonus of letting me use Apple Music and Amazon Prime music and controlling it from an iPhone app. I haven't thought this through properly so I'm going to experiment to see if there are any snags. Cheers John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: 20 August 2016 13:39 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers Hi John. Sorry for butting into your conversation, but I simply must tell you about my own experiences regarding high quality audio from my computers, before you spend more money on desk-top speakers for your computer, that will most probably end up disapointing you. Firstly, I buy most of my equipment from Richard Sound, in Jamaca Street, Glasgow. I've got a very good friend called Rob Horn who used to work for them but is now self employed and he sets all of this stuff up for me, when I need him. In my livingroom I have a Windows 7 computer, Soundblaster XFy sound card going into an Oncio AV Unit and there is also a 42 inch Philips plasma and Pioneer DVD recorder/player. The 5.1 speaker system is provided by a Quad Light system and although this set up is rather expensive, it's magnificent, particularly because it's bloody loud and I have no local neibours to disturb by the noise. But generally, I don't use this system when on my own with no friends or house guests at home, so I have a second set-up. in my little Den, I have a Windows 7 computer, Soundblaster XFy sound card, going into another Oncio AV unit, but this time the left and right channels are going into a splitter and send out 2 channel sterio to my study and the dining room. I have a spare socket for outdoor speakers but as it's always raining up here, what is the point, of outdoor speakers. I've just purchased an Imac 27 inch and my friend Rob is coming over by ferry next week to plug that into my Oncio unit also. What I'm really saying I suppose John is before you buy stand alone desk-top speakers, consider going down the American way of including an AV unit and USB Sound Card. The Yanks have been doing this for years while we continue to spend good money on rubbish. Both of my systems John give me much joy and of course I use things like
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I can’t comment on the 5.1 desktop speakers, I never used any of those and - by the time I even thought about using some - they’d gone of the market but thankfully good stereo desktop computer speakers seem to be entering the market again if you know where to look. Yamaha make some stuff which might be worth a look too. > On 20 Aug 2016, at 6:38 PM, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > The information on these speakers is really interesting. I've never heard of > the egg series. It got me wondering about the 5.1 Egg set range for my PC but > then I realised that particular range need an amplifier. At some point I'll > have to replace my elderly Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers and there is nothing > comparable on the market at the moment. A good stereo PC set may be the way > to go. > > John > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane > Trethowan > Sent: 17 August 2016 19:20 > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Desktop computer speakers > > Hi! > > It seems the mainstream speaker manufacturers are entering the computer > desktop speaker market in droves and its probably about time too given the > low quality of computer speakers these days. > We've discussed the B M1 speakers in the past and now there's another model > from Kef that shows us a thing or two when it comes to listening to music and > good audio quality from your speakers, the Kef Eggs It shouldn't be too > difficult for anyone to guess the shape of these speakers . > Like the B M1's the Eggs can plug directly into a computer via its USB port > but the system also boasts an Optical In digital connection for other devices > such as a TV, Digital radio etc and a sub-wooffer out should you need one. > I've not had a chance to listen to these speakers here but the review linked > to below seems to suggest that a sub-woofer may not be required in most > situations and - having heard a lot of Kef speakers myself - that's how I > also imagine things http://www.whathifi.com/kef/egg/review > > ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind.
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Re youchristian hamit ? -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] För Hamit Campos Skickat: den 20 augusti 2016 15:15 Till: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Ämne: RE: Desktop computer speakers Amen to all you said. The only thing I'd do different could I do it is I'd use the HDMI port. To get digital audio. But that's just me. I'd love Onkyo's 7.1.4 system. That thing sounds so epic! -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 8:39 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers Hi John. Sorry for butting into your conversation, but I simply must tell you about my own experiences regarding high quality audio from my computers, before you spend more money on desk-top speakers for your computer, that will most probably end up disapointing you. Firstly, I buy most of my equipment from Richard Sound, in Jamaca Street, Glasgow. I've got a very good friend called Rob Horn who used to work for them but is now self employed and he sets all of this stuff up for me, when I need him. In my livingroom I have a Windows 7 computer, Soundblaster XFy sound card going into an Oncio AV Unit and there is also a 42 inch Philips plasma and Pioneer DVD recorder/player. The 5.1 speaker system is provided by a Quad Light system and although this set up is rather expensive, it's magnificent, particularly because it's bloody loud and I have no local neibours to disturb by the noise. But generally, I don't use this system when on my own with no friends or house guests at home, so I have a second set-up. in my little Den, I have a Windows 7 computer, Soundblaster XFy sound card, going into another Oncio AV unit, but this time the left and right channels are going into a splitter and send out 2 channel sterio to my study and the dining room. I have a spare socket for outdoor speakers but as it's always raining up here, what is the point, of outdoor speakers. I've just purchased an Imac 27 inch and my friend Rob is coming over by ferry next week to plug that into my Oncio unit also. What I'm really saying I suppose John is before you buy stand alone desk-top speakers, consider going down the American way of including an AV unit and USB Sound Card. The Yanks have been doing this for years while we continue to spend good money on rubbish. Both of my systems John give me much joy and of course I use things like Goldwave and Tune-in radio so I can record everything going through the card. If I wanted to, on my JAWS computers, I could pump all of my audio music through the AV unit and send JAWS to little shitty speakers, more or less, such as the ones you are considering. This means that all of my recordings are free of sounds coming from JAWS. I do a lot of recording on my computers and listen to 5 Live and 6 Music as well as Radio Scotland and these days John, the Broadcast quality is very good, so why would I want to listen to all of my hard work, through stand alone cheep speakers. Start thinking about an AV unit, an external sound card, nice speakers, either sterio or 5.1 and a couple of cables. John, you deserve it, so be nice to yourself and buy some toys. Very best wishes and kind regards Andy Logue. >From Scotland with love. - Original Message - From: "John Gurd" <j.g...@ntlworld.com> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 9:38 AM Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers The information on these speakers is really interesting. I've never heard of the egg series. It got me wondering about the 5.1 Egg set range for my PC but then I realised that particular range need an amplifier. At some point I'll have to replace my elderly Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers and there is nothing comparable on the market at the moment. A good stereo PC set may be the way to go. John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: 17 August 2016 19:20 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Desktop computer speakers Hi! It seems the mainstream speaker manufacturers are entering the computer desktop speaker market in droves and its probably about time too given the low quality of computer speakers these days. We've discussed the B M1 speakers in the past and now there's another model from Kef that shows us a thing or two when it comes to listening to music and good audio quality from your speakers, the Kef Eggs It shouldn't be too difficult for anyone to guess the shape of these speakers . Like the B M1's the Eggs can plug directly into a computer via its USB port but the system also boasts an Optical In digital connection for other devices such as a TV, Digital radio etc and a sub-wooffer out should you need one. I'
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Amen to all you said. The only thing I'd do different could I do it is I'd use the HDMI port. To get digital audio. But that's just me. I'd love Onkyo's 7.1.4 system. That thing sounds so epic! -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 8:39 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers Hi John. Sorry for butting into your conversation, but I simply must tell you about my own experiences regarding high quality audio from my computers, before you spend more money on desk-top speakers for your computer, that will most probably end up disapointing you. Firstly, I buy most of my equipment from Richard Sound, in Jamaca Street, Glasgow. I've got a very good friend called Rob Horn who used to work for them but is now self employed and he sets all of this stuff up for me, when I need him. In my livingroom I have a Windows 7 computer, Soundblaster XFy sound card going into an Oncio AV Unit and there is also a 42 inch Philips plasma and Pioneer DVD recorder/player. The 5.1 speaker system is provided by a Quad Light system and although this set up is rather expensive, it's magnificent, particularly because it's bloody loud and I have no local neibours to disturb by the noise. But generally, I don't use this system when on my own with no friends or house guests at home, so I have a second set-up. in my little Den, I have a Windows 7 computer, Soundblaster XFy sound card, going into another Oncio AV unit, but this time the left and right channels are going into a splitter and send out 2 channel sterio to my study and the dining room. I have a spare socket for outdoor speakers but as it's always raining up here, what is the point, of outdoor speakers. I've just purchased an Imac 27 inch and my friend Rob is coming over by ferry next week to plug that into my Oncio unit also. What I'm really saying I suppose John is before you buy stand alone desk-top speakers, consider going down the American way of including an AV unit and USB Sound Card. The Yanks have been doing this for years while we continue to spend good money on rubbish. Both of my systems John give me much joy and of course I use things like Goldwave and Tune-in radio so I can record everything going through the card. If I wanted to, on my JAWS computers, I could pump all of my audio music through the AV unit and send JAWS to little shitty speakers, more or less, such as the ones you are considering. This means that all of my recordings are free of sounds coming from JAWS. I do a lot of recording on my computers and listen to 5 Live and 6 Music as well as Radio Scotland and these days John, the Broadcast quality is very good, so why would I want to listen to all of my hard work, through stand alone cheep speakers. Start thinking about an AV unit, an external sound card, nice speakers, either sterio or 5.1 and a couple of cables. John, you deserve it, so be nice to yourself and buy some toys. Very best wishes and kind regards Andy Logue. >From Scotland with love. - Original Message - From: "John Gurd" <j.g...@ntlworld.com> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 9:38 AM Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers The information on these speakers is really interesting. I've never heard of the egg series. It got me wondering about the 5.1 Egg set range for my PC but then I realised that particular range need an amplifier. At some point I'll have to replace my elderly Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers and there is nothing comparable on the market at the moment. A good stereo PC set may be the way to go. John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: 17 August 2016 19:20 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Desktop computer speakers Hi! It seems the mainstream speaker manufacturers are entering the computer desktop speaker market in droves and its probably about time too given the low quality of computer speakers these days. We've discussed the B M1 speakers in the past and now there's another model from Kef that shows us a thing or two when it comes to listening to music and good audio quality from your speakers, the Kef Eggs It shouldn't be too difficult for anyone to guess the shape of these speakers . Like the B M1's the Eggs can plug directly into a computer via its USB port but the system also boasts an Optical In digital connection for other devices such as a TV, Digital radio etc and a sub-wooffer out should you need one. I've not had a chance to listen to these speakers here but the review linked to below seems to suggest that a sub-woofer may not be required in most situations and - having heard a lot of Kef speakers myself - that's how I also imagine things http://www.whathifi.com/kef/egg/review
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Hi John. Sorry for butting into your conversation, but I simply must tell you about my own experiences regarding high quality audio from my computers, before you spend more money on desk-top speakers for your computer, that will most probably end up disapointing you. Firstly, I buy most of my equipment from Richard Sound, in Jamaca Street, Glasgow. I've got a very good friend called Rob Horn who used to work for them but is now self employed and he sets all of this stuff up for me, when I need him. In my livingroom I have a Windows 7 computer, Soundblaster XFy sound card going into an Oncio AV Unit and there is also a 42 inch Philips plasma and Pioneer DVD recorder/player. The 5.1 speaker system is provided by a Quad Light system and although this set up is rather expensive, it's magnificent, particularly because it's bloody loud and I have no local neibours to disturb by the noise. But generally, I don't use this system when on my own with no friends or house guests at home, so I have a second set-up. in my little Den, I have a Windows 7 computer, Soundblaster XFy sound card, going into another Oncio AV unit, but this time the left and right channels are going into a splitter and send out 2 channel sterio to my study and the dining room. I have a spare socket for outdoor speakers but as it's always raining up here, what is the point, of outdoor speakers. I've just purchased an Imac 27 inch and my friend Rob is coming over by ferry next week to plug that into my Oncio unit also. What I'm really saying I suppose John is before you buy stand alone desk-top speakers, consider going down the American way of including an AV unit and USB Sound Card. The Yanks have been doing this for years while we continue to spend good money on rubbish. Both of my systems John give me much joy and of course I use things like Goldwave and Tune-in radio so I can record everything going through the card. If I wanted to, on my JAWS computers, I could pump all of my audio music through the AV unit and send JAWS to little shitty speakers, more or less, such as the ones you are considering. This means that all of my recordings are free of sounds coming from JAWS. I do a lot of recording on my computers and listen to 5 Live and 6 Music as well as Radio Scotland and these days John, the Broadcast quality is very good, so why would I want to listen to all of my hard work, through stand alone cheep speakers. Start thinking about an AV unit, an external sound card, nice speakers, either sterio or 5.1 and a couple of cables. John, you deserve it, so be nice to yourself and buy some toys. Very best wishes and kind regards Andy Logue. From Scotland with love. - Original Message - From: "John Gurd" <j.g...@ntlworld.com> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 9:38 AM Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers The information on these speakers is really interesting. I've never heard of the egg series. It got me wondering about the 5.1 Egg set range for my PC but then I realised that particular range need an amplifier. At some point I'll have to replace my elderly Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers and there is nothing comparable on the market at the moment. A good stereo PC set may be the way to go. John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: 17 August 2016 19:20 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Desktop computer speakers Hi! It seems the mainstream speaker manufacturers are entering the computer desktop speaker market in droves and its probably about time too given the low quality of computer speakers these days. We've discussed the B M1 speakers in the past and now there's another model from Kef that shows us a thing or two when it comes to listening to music and good audio quality from your speakers, the Kef Eggs It shouldn't be too difficult for anyone to guess the shape of these speakers . Like the B M1's the Eggs can plug directly into a computer via its USB port but the system also boasts an Optical In digital connection for other devices such as a TV, Digital radio etc and a sub-wooffer out should you need one. I've not had a chance to listen to these speakers here but the review linked to below seems to suggest that a sub-woofer may not be required in most situations and - having heard a lot of Kef speakers myself - that's how I also imagine things http://www.whathifi.com/kef/egg/review
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The information on these speakers is really interesting. I've never heard of the egg series. It got me wondering about the 5.1 Egg set range for my PC but then I realised that particular range need an amplifier. At some point I'll have to replace my elderly Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers and there is nothing comparable on the market at the moment. A good stereo PC set may be the way to go. John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: 17 August 2016 19:20 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Desktop computer speakers Hi! It seems the mainstream speaker manufacturers are entering the computer desktop speaker market in droves and its probably about time too given the low quality of computer speakers these days. We've discussed the B M1 speakers in the past and now there's another model from Kef that shows us a thing or two when it comes to listening to music and good audio quality from your speakers, the Kef Eggs It shouldn't be too difficult for anyone to guess the shape of these speakers . Like the B M1's the Eggs can plug directly into a computer via its USB port but the system also boasts an Optical In digital connection for other devices such as a TV, Digital radio etc and a sub-wooffer out should you need one. I've not had a chance to listen to these speakers here but the review linked to below seems to suggest that a sub-woofer may not be required in most situations and - having heard a lot of Kef speakers myself - that's how I also imagine things http://www.whathifi.com/kef/egg/review
Desktop computer speakers
Hi! It seems the mainstream speaker manufacturers are entering the computer desktop speaker market in droves and its probably about time too given the low quality of computer speakers these days. We've discussed the B M1 speakers in the past and now there's another model from Kef that shows us a thing or two when it comes to listening to music and good audio quality from your speakers, the Kef Eggs It shouldn't be too difficult for anyone to guess the shape of these speakers . Like the B M1's the Eggs can plug directly into a computer via its USB port but the system also boasts an Optical In digital connection for other devices such as a TV, Digital radio etc and a sub-wooffer out should you need one. I've not had a chance to listen to these speakers here but the review linked to below seems to suggest that a sub-woofer may not be required in most situations and - having heard a lot of Kef speakers myself - that's how I also imagine things http://www.whathifi.com/kef/egg/review
