RE: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software
I used to use Nero as far back as Nero 7 and loved it, but versions after that became very bloated and inaccessible. Is the latest version accessible again? John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of PETER Scanlon Sent: 03 November 2014 03:33 To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: Re: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software Nero is really very good. I found Exact Audio Copy awkward. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Date: Monday, November 3, 2014 2:00 pm Subject: Re: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software I did post a link to the help center which should help you with Windows Media Player. So you use Nero? Heaven help you smile, that is reall ythe worst Ripper around, it used to be quite reasonable but it just doesn't read CD's properly, nor do most of the other free CD Ripping solutions out there to be honest, the only one which does is Exact Audio Copy still. .. On 3/11/2014 1:56 PM, Robert Byers wrote: I use to burn with it, in version 11, but can't get to work in 12. I now use Nero. On 3/11/2014 3:46 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: Curiosity now has the better of me so I'll take a look for myself, been a long while since I myself have had a look at the Media Player. On 3 Nov 2014, at 3:42 am, Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net wrote: Well that was my experience (Windows Media 12 does seem to work differently than Windows Media 11 (doesn't seem as cut and dry as 11 waas! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 3:03 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software Interesting to hear you say that, I know others who use Windows Media 12 think it is now with Windows 7 and I've not heard any noise when it comes to accessibility issues etc, I know people who use this extensively and no other. On 2/11/2014 7:55 AM, Tom Kaufman wrote: I'm not too sure about Windows Media Player anymore (Windows Media 11 was good; I used to use it) but when I got Windows 7 and tried to use the version of Windows Media there (think its 12) it wasn't quite so intuitive...at least not for me! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 11:43 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software Hi! Someone on list asked about free CD Ripping Software a little while ago, I answered with iTunes though of course I didn't realise at the time that there's probably an even better answer built right into Windows itself which I assume the questioner was using. The answer of course is Windows Media Player which when I last tried it was very accessible indeed. I didn't follow the conversation at the time so perhaps someone else on list suggested Windows Media Player anyway. ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: greatdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: greatdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane From my Braille Sense.
Re: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software
In the beginning - a very long time ago - I too used Nero but I found that it had problems when reading CD’S so a couple of people who are in the “Ripping Game”, then put my on to Exact Audio Copy which was written by a computer programmer who loves his music. The reason he wrote Exact Audio Copy was because of the fact that most CD Rippers don’t read the content of a CD byte for byte, they skip over errors on the CD, they don’t try and recover from reading CD errors and so on. Fortunately there are several utilities around that are equal or come close to what Exact Audio Copy does, for Windows there’s Easy CD Converter and for the Mac there’s XLD and Max, others for LYNUX of course. On 9 Nov 2014, at 6:58 am, John Gurd j.g...@ntlworld.com wrote: I used to use Nero as far back as Nero 7 and loved it, but versions after that became very bloated and inaccessible. Is the latest version accessible again? John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of PETER Scanlon Sent: 03 November 2014 03:33 To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: Re: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software Nero is really very good. I found Exact Audio Copy awkward. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Date: Monday, November 3, 2014 2:00 pm Subject: Re: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software I did post a link to the help center which should help you with Windows Media Player. So you use Nero? Heaven help you smile, that is reall ythe worst Ripper around, it used to be quite reasonable but it just doesn't read CD's properly, nor do most of the other free CD Ripping solutions out there to be honest, the only one which does is Exact Audio Copy still. .. On 3/11/2014 1:56 PM, Robert Byers wrote: I use to burn with it, in version 11, but can't get to work in 12. I now use Nero. On 3/11/2014 3:46 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: Curiosity now has the better of me so I'll take a look for myself, been a long while since I myself have had a look at the Media Player. On 3 Nov 2014, at 3:42 am, Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net wrote: Well that was my experience (Windows Media 12 does seem to work differently than Windows Media 11 (doesn't seem as cut and dry as 11 waas! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 3:03 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software Interesting to hear you say that, I know others who use Windows Media 12 think it is now with Windows 7 and I've not heard any noise when it comes to accessibility issues etc, I know people who use this extensively and no other. On 2/11/2014 7:55 AM, Tom Kaufman wrote: I'm not too sure about Windows Media Player anymore (Windows Media 11 was good; I used to use it) but when I got Windows 7 and tried to use the version of Windows Media there (think its 12) it wasn't quite so intuitive...at least not for me! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 11:43 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software Hi! Someone on list asked about free CD Ripping Software a little while ago, I answered with iTunes though of course I didn't realise at the time that there's probably an even better answer built right into Windows itself which I assume the questioner was using. The answer of course is Windows Media Player which when I last tried it was very accessible indeed. I didn't follow the conversation at the time so perhaps someone else on list suggested Windows Media Player anyway. ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: greatdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: greatdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane From my Braille Sense. ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software
And why should there be anythingthing there about Shortcut keys and Screen Readers? The software is accessible as is so therefore its assumed that the individual using the software has knowledge of both Windows and the Screen Reader in tern. On 3/11/2014 9:38 PM, Peter Scanlon wrote: Thanks for that. I don't see anything about Shortcut keys or using with screen readers. -Original Message- From: Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 6:02 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software Okay, my Friend Google smile came up with the following for you, its been a while since I've looked at this page but it is a good place to start for information on Exact Audio Copy. http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=Exact_Audio_Copy On 3/11/2014 5:27 PM, Peter Scanlon wrote: Well which particular settings should I change? Or is there a tutorial somewhere I can listen to? -Original Message- From: Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 5:18 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software I sggest the reason you find Exact Audio Copy that way is that you don't bother setting it up correctly? smile. On 3/11/2014 2:33 PM, PETER Scanlon wrote: Nero is really very good. I found Exact Audio Copy awkward. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Date: Monday, November 3, 2014 2:00 pm Subject: Re: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software I did post a link to the help center which should help you with Windows Media Player. So you use Nero? Heaven help you smile, that is reall ythe worst Ripper around, it used to be quite reasonable but it just doesn't read CD's properly, nor do most of the other free CD Ripping solutions out there to be honest, the only one which does is Exact Audio Copy still. .. On 3/11/2014 1:56 PM, Robert Byers wrote: I use to burn with it, in version 11, but can't get to work in 12. I now use Nero. On 3/11/2014 3:46 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: Curiosity now has the better of me so I'll take a look for myself, been a long while since I myself have had a look at the Media Player. On 3 Nov 2014, at 3:42 am, Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net wrote: Well that was my experience (Windows Media 12 does seem to work differently than Windows Media 11 (doesn't seem as cut and dry as 11 waas! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 3:03 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software Interesting to hear you say that, I know others who use Windows Media 12 — think it is now — with Windows 7 and I've not heard any noise when it comes to accessibility issues etc, I know people who use this extensively and no other. On 2/11/2014 7:55 AM, Tom Kaufman wrote: I'm not too sure about Windows Media Player anymore (Windows Media 11 was good; I used to use it) but when I got Windows 7 and tried to use the version of Windows Media there (think its 12) it wasn't quite so intuitive...at least not for me! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 11:43 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software Hi! Someone on list asked about free CD Ripping Software a little while ago, I answered with iTunes though of course I didn't realise at the time that there's probably an even better answer built right into Windows itself which I assume the questioner was using. The answer of course is Windows Media Player which — when I last tried it — was very accessible indeed. I didn't follow the conversation at the time so perhaps someone else on list suggested Windows Media Player anyway. ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: greatdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: greatdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane From my Braille Sense.
RE: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software
Thanks Dane. It was me who asked the question a while back. I've since found a solution, but I'll keep windows media player in mind. I haven't tried the latest version. Dan -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 11:43 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software Hi! Someone on list asked about free CD Ripping Software a little while ago, I answered with iTunes though of course I didn’t realise at the time that there’s probably an even better answer built right into Windows itself which I assume the questioner was using. The answer of course is Windows Media Player which - when I last tried it - was very accessible indeed. I didn’t follow the conversation at the time so perhaps someone else on list suggested Windows Media Player anyway. ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software
I'm glad you've found what you need. I use Easy CD Converter when I'm ripping under Windows these days but that's not all that often at all as I''m mainly on the Mac and Easy CD Converter - to my knowledge at least - is still not free though worth every penny I've paid for it, a piece of software which has very much surprised me in the way its come forward in leaps and bounds since I first saw it. On 4/11/2014 6:54 AM, Dan Kerstetter wrote: Thanks Dane. It was me who asked the question a while back. I've since found a solution, but I'll keep windows media player in mind. I haven't tried the latest version. Dan -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 11:43 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software Hi! Someone on list asked about free CD Ripping Software a little while ago, I answered with iTunes though of course I didn’t realise at the time that there’s probably an even better answer built right into Windows itself which I assume the questioner was using. The answer of course is Windows Media Player which - when I last tried it - was very accessible indeed. I didn’t follow the conversation at the time so perhaps someone else on list suggested Windows Media Player anyway. ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software
Dan, I got in on this thread very late. Frankly, as I see it, the best and most accessible free burning program is called burnaware free. The current version 7.x is not accessible; however, prior versions are very accessible. If interested, I'll be glad to send it to you for evaluation. I would be glad to send you the link if you wish. Just let me know. Don Roberts On 11/3/2014 11:54 AM, Dan Kerstetter wrote: Thanks Dane. It was me who asked the question a while back. I've since found a solution, but I'll keep windows media player in mind. I haven't tried the latest version. Dan -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 11:43 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software Hi! Someone on list asked about free CD Ripping Software a little while ago, I answered with iTunes though of course I didn’t realise at the time that there’s probably an even better answer built right into Windows itself which I assume the questioner was using. The answer of course is Windows Media Player which - when I last tried it - was very accessible indeed. I didn’t follow the conversation at the time so perhaps someone else on list suggested Windows Media Player anyway. ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
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Interesting to hear you say that, I know others who use Windows Media 12 - think it is now - with Windows 7 and I've not heard any noise when it comes to accessibility issues etc, I know people who use this extensively and no other. On 2/11/2014 7:55 AM, Tom Kaufman wrote: I'm not too sure about Windows Media Player anymore (Windows Media 11 was good; I used to use it) but when I got Windows 7 and tried to use the version of Windows Media there (think its 12) it wasn't quite so intuitive...at least not for me! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 11:43 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software Hi! Someone on list asked about free CD Ripping Software a little while ago, I answered with iTunes though of course I didn’t realise at the time that there’s probably an even better answer built right into Windows itself which I assume the questioner was using. The answer of course is Windows Media Player which - when I last tried it - was very accessible indeed. I didn’t follow the conversation at the time so perhaps someone else on list suggested Windows Media Player anyway. ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
RE: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software
Well that was my experience (Windows Media 12 does seem to work differently than Windows Media 11 (doesn't seem as cut and dry as 11 waas! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 3:03 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software Interesting to hear you say that, I know others who use Windows Media 12 - think it is now - with Windows 7 and I've not heard any noise when it comes to accessibility issues etc, I know people who use this extensively and no other. On 2/11/2014 7:55 AM, Tom Kaufman wrote: I'm not too sure about Windows Media Player anymore (Windows Media 11 was good; I used to use it) but when I got Windows 7 and tried to use the version of Windows Media there (think its 12) it wasn't quite so intuitive...at least not for me! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 11:43 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software Hi! Someone on list asked about free CD Ripping Software a little while ago, I answered with iTunes though of course I didn’t realise at the time that there’s probably an even better answer built right into Windows itself which I assume the questioner was using. The answer of course is Windows Media Player which - when I last tried it - was very accessible indeed. I didn’t follow the conversation at the time so perhaps someone else on list suggested Windows Media Player anyway. ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software
Curiosity now has the better of me so I’ll take a look for myself, been a long while since I myself have had a look at the Media Player. On 3 Nov 2014, at 3:42 am, Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net wrote: Well that was my experience (Windows Media 12 does seem to work differently than Windows Media 11 (doesn't seem as cut and dry as 11 waas! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 3:03 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software Interesting to hear you say that, I know others who use Windows Media 12 - think it is now - with Windows 7 and I've not heard any noise when it comes to accessibility issues etc, I know people who use this extensively and no other. On 2/11/2014 7:55 AM, Tom Kaufman wrote: I'm not too sure about Windows Media Player anymore (Windows Media 11 was good; I used to use it) but when I got Windows 7 and tried to use the version of Windows Media there (think its 12) it wasn't quite so intuitive...at least not for me! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 11:43 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software Hi! Someone on list asked about free CD Ripping Software a little while ago, I answered with iTunes though of course I didn’t realise at the time that there’s probably an even better answer built right into Windows itself which I assume the questioner was using. The answer of course is Windows Media Player which - when I last tried it - was very accessible indeed. I didn’t follow the conversation at the time so perhaps someone else on list suggested Windows Media Player anyway. ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
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Okay, I've been playing with Windows Media Player for the last half hour or so and I'm using NVDA on the Windows Desktop computer here, I'm running Windows media Player 12 with Windows 7 Home Premium. Yes, the software is certainly accessible though finding your way around Winodws Media player could be a little challenging at times I admit, the trick is to think outside the square, in other words don't assume that everything you want is in the menu bar because it isn't, you can make things a little easier by changing some of the options in the view menu. Anyway to get back to the specific topic of Ripping CD'S with WMP, this link may be of some use. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-au/windows/rip-music-faq#1TC=windows-7 On 3/11/2014 3:42 AM, Tom Kaufman wrote: Well that was my experience (Windows Media 12 does seem to work differently than Windows Media 11 (doesn't seem as cut and dry as 11 waas! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 3:03 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software Interesting to hear you say that, I know others who use Windows Media 12 - think it is now - with Windows 7 and I've not heard any noise when it comes to accessibility issues etc, I know people who use this extensively and no other. On 2/11/2014 7:55 AM, Tom Kaufman wrote: I'm not too sure about Windows Media Player anymore (Windows Media 11 was good; I used to use it) but when I got Windows 7 and tried to use the version of Windows Media there (think its 12) it wasn't quite so intuitive...at least not for me! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 11:43 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software Hi! Someone on list asked about free CD Ripping Software a little while ago, I answered with iTunes though of course I didn’t realise at the time that there’s probably an even better answer built right into Windows itself which I assume the questioner was using. The answer of course is Windows Media Player which - when I last tried it - was very accessible indeed. I didn’t follow the conversation at the time so perhaps someone else on list suggested Windows Media Player anyway. ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
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Okay, I've just thought of another free CD Ripping solution and I'm surprised its taken me this long to mention VLC as that's my favourite media player. I've not given the Ripper feature any thought up till now but - given that VLC is fully accessible - I can't see any reason why the Ripping function wouldn't work, follow the link below for instructions. http://www.aimersoft.com/rip-dvd/vlc-rip-cd.html On 3/11/2014 3:42 AM, Tom Kaufman wrote: Well that was my experience (Windows Media 12 does seem to work differently than Windows Media 11 (doesn't seem as cut and dry as 11 waas! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 3:03 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software Interesting to hear you say that, I know others who use Windows Media 12 - think it is now - with Windows 7 and I've not heard any noise when it comes to accessibility issues etc, I know people who use this extensively and no other. On 2/11/2014 7:55 AM, Tom Kaufman wrote: I'm not too sure about Windows Media Player anymore (Windows Media 11 was good; I used to use it) but when I got Windows 7 and tried to use the version of Windows Media there (think its 12) it wasn't quite so intuitive...at least not for me! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 11:43 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software Hi! Someone on list asked about free CD Ripping Software a little while ago, I answered with iTunes though of course I didn’t realise at the time that there’s probably an even better answer built right into Windows itself which I assume the questioner was using. The answer of course is Windows Media Player which - when I last tried it - was very accessible indeed. I didn’t follow the conversation at the time so perhaps someone else on list suggested Windows Media Player anyway. ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
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I use to burn with it, in version 11, but can't get to work in 12. I now use Nero. On 3/11/2014 3:46 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: Curiosity now has the better of me so I’ll take a look for myself, been a long while since I myself have had a look at the Media Player. On 3 Nov 2014, at 3:42 am, Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net wrote: Well that was my experience (Windows Media 12 does seem to work differently than Windows Media 11 (doesn't seem as cut and dry as 11 waas! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 3:03 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software Interesting to hear you say that, I know others who use Windows Media 12 - think it is now - with Windows 7 and I've not heard any noise when it comes to accessibility issues etc, I know people who use this extensively and no other. On 2/11/2014 7:55 AM, Tom Kaufman wrote: I'm not too sure about Windows Media Player anymore (Windows Media 11 was good; I used to use it) but when I got Windows 7 and tried to use the version of Windows Media there (think its 12) it wasn't quite so intuitive...at least not for me! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 11:43 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software Hi! Someone on list asked about free CD Ripping Software a little while ago, I answered with iTunes though of course I didn’t realise at the time that there’s probably an even better answer built right into Windows itself which I assume the questioner was using. The answer of course is Windows Media Player which - when I last tried it - was very accessible indeed. I didn’t follow the conversation at the time so perhaps someone else on list suggested Windows Media Player anyway. ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
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I did post a link to the help center which should help you with Windows Media Player. So you use Nero? Heaven help you smile, that is reall ythe worst Ripper around, it used to be quite reasonable but it just doesn't read CD'S properly, nor do most of the other free CD Ripping solutions out there to be honest, the only one which does is Exact Audio Copy still. . On 3/11/2014 1:56 PM, Robert Byers wrote: I use to burn with it, in version 11, but can't get to work in 12. I now use Nero. On 3/11/2014 3:46 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: Curiosity now has the better of me so I’ll take a look for myself, been a long while since I myself have had a look at the Media Player. On 3 Nov 2014, at 3:42 am, Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net wrote: Well that was my experience (Windows Media 12 does seem to work differently than Windows Media 11 (doesn't seem as cut and dry as 11 waas! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 3:03 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software Interesting to hear you say that, I know others who use Windows Media 12 - think it is now - with Windows 7 and I've not heard any noise when it comes to accessibility issues etc, I know people who use this extensively and no other. On 2/11/2014 7:55 AM, Tom Kaufman wrote: I'm not too sure about Windows Media Player anymore (Windows Media 11 was good; I used to use it) but when I got Windows 7 and tried to use the version of Windows Media there (think its 12) it wasn't quite so intuitive...at least not for me! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 11:43 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software Hi! Someone on list asked about free CD Ripping Software a little while ago, I answered with iTunes though of course I didn’t realise at the time that there’s probably an even better answer built right into Windows itself which I assume the questioner was using. The answer of course is Windows Media Player which - when I last tried it - was very accessible indeed. I didn’t follow the conversation at the time so perhaps someone else on list suggested Windows Media Player anyway. ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
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Nero is really very good. I found Exact Audio Copy awkward. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Date: Monday, November 3, 2014 2:00 pm Subject: Re: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software I did post a link to the help center which should help you with Windows Media Player. So you use Nero? Heaven help you smile, that is reall ythe worst Ripper around, it used to be quite reasonable but it just doesn't read CD's properly, nor do most of the other free CD Ripping solutions out there to be honest, the only one which does is Exact Audio Copy still. .. On 3/11/2014 1:56 PM, Robert Byers wrote: I use to burn with it, in version 11, but can't get to work in 12. I now use Nero. On 3/11/2014 3:46 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: Curiosity now has the better of me so I'll take a look for myself, been a long while since I myself have had a look at the Media Player. On 3 Nov 2014, at 3:42 am, Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net wrote: Well that was my experience (Windows Media 12 does seem to work differently than Windows Media 11 (doesn't seem as cut and dry as 11 waas! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 3:03 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software Interesting to hear you say that, I know others who use Windows Media 12 think it is now with Windows 7 and I've not heard any noise when it comes to accessibility issues etc, I know people who use this extensively and no other. On 2/11/2014 7:55 AM, Tom Kaufman wrote: I'm not too sure about Windows Media Player anymore (Windows Media 11 was good; I used to use it) but when I got Windows 7 and tried to use the version of Windows Media there (think its 12) it wasn't quite so intuitive...at least not for me! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 11:43 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software Hi! Someone on list asked about free CD Ripping Software a little while ago, I answered with iTunes though of course I didn't realise at the time that there's probably an even better answer built right into Windows itself which I assume the questioner was using. The answer of course is Windows Media Player which when I last tried it was very accessible indeed. I didn't follow the conversation at the time so perhaps someone else on list suggested Windows Media Player anyway. ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: greatdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: greatdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane From my Braille Sense.
Re: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software
I sggest the reason you find Exact Audio Copy that way is that you don't bother setting it up correctly? smile. On 3/11/2014 2:33 PM, PETER Scanlon wrote: Nero is really very good. I found Exact Audio Copy awkward. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Date: Monday, November 3, 2014 2:00 pm Subject: Re: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software I did post a link to the help center which should help you with Windows Media Player. So you use Nero? Heaven help you smile, that is reall ythe worst Ripper around, it used to be quite reasonable but it just doesn't read CD's properly, nor do most of the other free CD Ripping solutions out there to be honest, the only one which does is Exact Audio Copy still. .. On 3/11/2014 1:56 PM, Robert Byers wrote: I use to burn with it, in version 11, but can't get to work in 12. I now use Nero. On 3/11/2014 3:46 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: Curiosity now has the better of me so I'll take a look for myself, been a long while since I myself have had a look at the Media Player. On 3 Nov 2014, at 3:42 am, Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net wrote: Well that was my experience (Windows Media 12 does seem to work differently than Windows Media 11 (doesn't seem as cut and dry as 11 waas! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 3:03 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software Interesting to hear you say that, I know others who use Windows Media 12 — think it is now — with Windows 7 and I've not heard any noise when it comes to accessibility issues etc, I know people who use this extensively and no other. On 2/11/2014 7:55 AM, Tom Kaufman wrote: I'm not too sure about Windows Media Player anymore (Windows Media 11 was good; I used to use it) but when I got Windows 7 and tried to use the version of Windows Media there (think its 12) it wasn't quite so intuitive...at least not for me! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 11:43 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software Hi! Someone on list asked about free CD Ripping Software a little while ago, I answered with iTunes though of course I didn't realise at the time that there's probably an even better answer built right into Windows itself which I assume the questioner was using. The answer of course is Windows Media Player which — when I last tried it — was very accessible indeed. I didn't follow the conversation at the time so perhaps someone else on list suggested Windows Media Player anyway. ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: greatdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: greatdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane From my Braille Sense.
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Well which particular settings should I change? Or is there a tutorial somewhere I can listen to? -Original Message- From: Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 5:18 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software I sggest the reason you find Exact Audio Copy that way is that you don't bother setting it up correctly? smile. On 3/11/2014 2:33 PM, PETER Scanlon wrote: Nero is really very good. I found Exact Audio Copy awkward. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Date: Monday, November 3, 2014 2:00 pm Subject: Re: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software I did post a link to the help center which should help you with Windows Media Player. So you use Nero? Heaven help you smile, that is reall ythe worst Ripper around, it used to be quite reasonable but it just doesn't read CD's properly, nor do most of the other free CD Ripping solutions out there to be honest, the only one which does is Exact Audio Copy still. .. On 3/11/2014 1:56 PM, Robert Byers wrote: I use to burn with it, in version 11, but can't get to work in 12. I now use Nero. On 3/11/2014 3:46 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: Curiosity now has the better of me so I'll take a look for myself, been a long while since I myself have had a look at the Media Player. On 3 Nov 2014, at 3:42 am, Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net wrote: Well that was my experience (Windows Media 12 does seem to work differently than Windows Media 11 (doesn't seem as cut and dry as 11 waas! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 3:03 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software Interesting to hear you say that, I know others who use Windows Media 12 — think it is now — with Windows 7 and I've not heard any noise when it comes to accessibility issues etc, I know people who use this extensively and no other. On 2/11/2014 7:55 AM, Tom Kaufman wrote: I'm not too sure about Windows Media Player anymore (Windows Media 11 was good; I used to use it) but when I got Windows 7 and tried to use the version of Windows Media there (think its 12) it wasn't quite so intuitive...at least not for me! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 11:43 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software Hi! Someone on list asked about free CD Ripping Software a little while ago, I answered with iTunes though of course I didn't realise at the time that there's probably an even better answer built right into Windows itself which I assume the questioner was using. The answer of course is Windows Media Player which — when I last tried it — was very accessible indeed. I didn't follow the conversation at the time so perhaps someone else on list suggested Windows Media Player anyway. ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: greatdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: greatdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane From my Braille Sense.
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Google is your friend, there's heaps of stuff out there. On 3/11/2014 5:27 PM, Peter Scanlon wrote: Well which particular settings should I change? Or is there a tutorial somewhere I can listen to? -Original Message- From: Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 5:18 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software I sggest the reason you find Exact Audio Copy that way is that you don't bother setting it up correctly? smile. On 3/11/2014 2:33 PM, PETER Scanlon wrote: Nero is really very good. I found Exact Audio Copy awkward. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Date: Monday, November 3, 2014 2:00 pm Subject: Re: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software I did post a link to the help center which should help you with Windows Media Player. So you use Nero? Heaven help you smile, that is reall ythe worst Ripper around, it used to be quite reasonable but it just doesn't read CD's properly, nor do most of the other free CD Ripping solutions out there to be honest, the only one which does is Exact Audio Copy still. .. On 3/11/2014 1:56 PM, Robert Byers wrote: I use to burn with it, in version 11, but can't get to work in 12. I now use Nero. On 3/11/2014 3:46 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: Curiosity now has the better of me so I'll take a look for myself, been a long while since I myself have had a look at the Media Player. On 3 Nov 2014, at 3:42 am, Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net wrote: Well that was my experience (Windows Media 12 does seem to work differently than Windows Media 11 (doesn't seem as cut and dry as 11 waas! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 3:03 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software Interesting to hear you say that, I know others who use Windows Media 12 — think it is now — with Windows 7 and I've not heard any noise when it comes to accessibility issues etc, I know people who use this extensively and no other. On 2/11/2014 7:55 AM, Tom Kaufman wrote: I'm not too sure about Windows Media Player anymore (Windows Media 11 was good; I used to use it) but when I got Windows 7 and tried to use the version of Windows Media there (think its 12) it wasn't quite so intuitive...at least not for me! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 11:43 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software Hi! Someone on list asked about free CD Ripping Software a little while ago, I answered with iTunes though of course I didn't realise at the time that there's probably an even better answer built right into Windows itself which I assume the questioner was using. The answer of course is Windows Media Player which — when I last tried it — was very accessible indeed. I didn't follow the conversation at the time so perhaps someone else on list suggested Windows Media Player anyway. ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: greatdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: greatdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane From my Braille Sense.
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Okay, my Friend Google smile came up with the following for you, its been a while since I've looked at this page but it is a good place to start for information on Exact Audio Copy. http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=Exact_Audio_Copy On 3/11/2014 5:27 PM, Peter Scanlon wrote: Well which particular settings should I change? Or is there a tutorial somewhere I can listen to? -Original Message- From: Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 5:18 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software I sggest the reason you find Exact Audio Copy that way is that you don't bother setting it up correctly? smile. On 3/11/2014 2:33 PM, PETER Scanlon wrote: Nero is really very good. I found Exact Audio Copy awkward. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Date: Monday, November 3, 2014 2:00 pm Subject: Re: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software I did post a link to the help center which should help you with Windows Media Player. So you use Nero? Heaven help you smile, that is reall ythe worst Ripper around, it used to be quite reasonable but it just doesn't read CD's properly, nor do most of the other free CD Ripping solutions out there to be honest, the only one which does is Exact Audio Copy still. .. On 3/11/2014 1:56 PM, Robert Byers wrote: I use to burn with it, in version 11, but can't get to work in 12. I now use Nero. On 3/11/2014 3:46 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: Curiosity now has the better of me so I'll take a look for myself, been a long while since I myself have had a look at the Media Player. On 3 Nov 2014, at 3:42 am, Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net wrote: Well that was my experience (Windows Media 12 does seem to work differently than Windows Media 11 (doesn't seem as cut and dry as 11 waas! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 3:03 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software Interesting to hear you say that, I know others who use Windows Media 12 — think it is now — with Windows 7 and I've not heard any noise when it comes to accessibility issues etc, I know people who use this extensively and no other. On 2/11/2014 7:55 AM, Tom Kaufman wrote: I'm not too sure about Windows Media Player anymore (Windows Media 11 was good; I used to use it) but when I got Windows 7 and tried to use the version of Windows Media there (think its 12) it wasn't quite so intuitive...at least not for me! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 11:43 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software Hi! Someone on list asked about free CD Ripping Software a little while ago, I answered with iTunes though of course I didn't realise at the time that there's probably an even better answer built right into Windows itself which I assume the questioner was using. The answer of course is Windows Media Player which — when I last tried it — was very accessible indeed. I didn't follow the conversation at the time so perhaps someone else on list suggested Windows Media Player anyway. ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: greatdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: greatdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane From my Braille Sense.
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I'm not too sure about Windows Media Player anymore (Windows Media 11 was good; I used to use it) but when I got Windows 7 and tried to use the version of Windows Media there (think its 12) it wasn't quite so intuitive...at least not for me! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 11:43 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Follow-up: Free CD Ripping Software Hi! Someone on list asked about free CD Ripping Software a little while ago, I answered with iTunes though of course I didn’t realise at the time that there’s probably an even better answer built right into Windows itself which I assume the questioner was using. The answer of course is Windows Media Player which - when I last tried it - was very accessible indeed. I didn’t follow the conversation at the time so perhaps someone else on list suggested Windows Media Player anyway. ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
