Re: [PD] www.pd-tutorial
hi Nacho, The paperback is in english and can be purchased here: http://www.buecher-zur-musik.de/assets/s2dmain.html?http://www.buecher-zur-musik.de/53108697370a2cb3f/5310869bc400a7a02.html (unfortunately the language of that book store is german; Though it is sent to Amazon, they don't update their site). Alle the Patches are available as a zip file: http://www.kreidler-net.de/pd/patches/patches.zip Cheers Johannes Johannes Kreidler wrote: Hey Johannes, is the englixh version also available for purchase? The book is great. I'll use parts of it on a Pd workshop in Tijuana next week. Saludos. Ignacio/ Quoting Hans-Christoph Steiner hans at eds.org: Looks good, a nice surprise, I didn't even realize you were writing it. I added this to my class syllabus site, I'll let you know what the students say. Koray, a PID would be a fun book to write, I am up for it! First lets get the FLOSS manuals Pure Data book out there. .hc On Mar 17, 2009, at 7:59 AM, Koray Tahiroglu wrote: Congratulations Johannes, This book will definitely be a bonus teaching material together with Miller's book for the computer generated music course that I am planning to teach next autumn. I had already involved Andy's book for the Sound design ( + a bit physics of sound ) course. Now lets hope that they will add these courses in the next curriculum :) and I guess there is one book we are still seeking at the moment that focuses Physical Interaction Design, the same way as Johannes' book. Earlier together with Hans we developed PID course materials, and his latest work embedding firmata in arduino library hopefully will bring up more Pd examples, and maybe later we will have another book. What do you think about this Hans? That would be great :) Koray On Mar 16, 2009, at 9:42 PM, pd-list-request at iem.at wrote: Message: 4 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:12:21 +0100 From: Johannes Kreidler jkreidler at gmx.de Subject: [PD] www.pd-tutorial.com To: pd-list at iem.at Message-ID: 49BEA495.8060106 at gmx.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed hi list, I am pleased to announce that the big pd tutorial I wrote in the last years with the help of a grant by the Music University of Freiburg / Germany, is now online, in english and in german. It is also available as a book (paperback) at Wolke Publishing House, where the bang book was released. At the moment, Amazon says that it's not available, which is strange because it's definitely released, but at least it can be purchased at the Publishing House itself. http://www.pd-tutorial.com http://www.wolke-verlag.de/musik_u_t/loadbang.html http://www.buecher-zur-musik.de/assets/s2dmain.html?http://www.buecher-zur-musik.de/53108697370a2cb3f/5310869bc400a7a02.html http://www.amazon.de/Loadbang-Programming-Electronic-Music-Pure/dp/3936000573/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8s=books-intl-deqid=1235853524sr=8-3 Cheers Johannes - M.Koray Tahiroglu Acoustics Lab / TKK http://mlab.taik.fi/~korayt http://www.acoustics.hut.fi/~ktahirog/ tel: +358 45 233 6272 All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated -John Donne ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] wrap~
What is the largest integer not exceeding 0 (zero)? I've asked before, but I'll still like to know. Best, Steffen ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] GSoC Fwd: Thank you for your application
Well, we didn't get accepted but now at least we do have a nice collection of projects for people to take on. http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 .hc Begin forwarded message: From: socghop.nore...@gmail.com Date: March 18, 2009 9:49:10 PM GMT Subject: Thank you for your application Hi Hans-Christoph Steiner, Thank you for submitting Pure Data (aka Pd) organization application to Google Summer of Code 2009. Unfortunately, we were unable to accept your organization's application at this time. We received many more applications for the program than we are able to accommodate, and we would encourage you to reapply for future instances of the program. Best regards, Google Open Source Programs [T]he greatest purveyor of violence in the world today [is] my own government. - Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] sigmund~ env output
should the output of: [sigmund~ env] be the same (or very similar) to the output of [env~] I think there is a typo in the help file (where env == notes). but I get pretty wild output from sigmund that bears no relation (that I can hear) to the input sound envelope. I'm using pd-extended 0.40.3 Oded ___ Oded Ben-Tal http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~oded o...@ccrma.stanford.edu ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] variance from mapping library
Is it really a negative number, or is it more like 9.74915e-05 ? In the latter case, only the exponent is negative, which means 9.74915/10/10/10/10/10 = 0.974915, whereas with a plus sign like 1.2e+06 would mean 1.2*10*10*10*10*10*10 = 120. I am getting a negative number occasionally. Oded ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] C::NTR::L - AV+physical computing processing
Hi all, sorry for late reply but i'm having some day off to play a gig in Bristol. Thanks everybody for the feedback and interest. I will write personally to people interested in helping me, so we can organize. Much thanks! Meanwhile, here there is a link where to download C::NTR::L 1.2 beta: http://www.thesaddj.com/tempd/CNTRL1-2beta.zip I'm planning to publish download links and infos on my profile on Pd portal (apart from my website). Is there any other platform you could suggest me where to put C::NTR::L? What about the Pd section on SourceForge? I think an ftp structure would be the best. @Phil: the latency is 1/2ms, but it can change depending on the amplification of the instrument (it never becomes too bad). The analysis is pretty accurate, but still dirty. (this is one of the thing i would like to improve). With lower notes as you imagine, many harmonics are creating confusion in the analysis, you can still play pretty good, but you have to manage somehow this little dirtyness. and not to forget that i'm really grateful to Hardoff for his grannie-basher, reverb and distortion from his DIY library...really impressive tool. They are the core part of the audio processing. Talk soon... Marco On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Phil Stone pkst...@ucdavis.edu wrote: This is very impressive, Marco. What grabs me immediately is that you are demo'ing with bass (nice Steiny or Hohner, btw) - lower-frequency instruments are particularly difficult for pitch-detection. What is the latency? It's hard to tell from the video, but it looks pretty responsive. How accurate? I've been waiting a long time to plug my bass into my Pd stuff. I will be happy to test anything, and also to help with the code cleanup, if it lies within my area of competence. Nice work! Phil Stone www.pkstonemusic.com Marco Donnarumma wrote: Hi all, i'm really glad to share with the list my latest project, cause without the help of everybody here i wouldn't be able to speak about it now.. ;) C::NTR::L is a software, naturally Pd-based, for audiovisual live performances exploiting physical computing. It transforms a standard musical instrument in an augmented tool to control real-time audio-video processing, without the need of any external device (damned expensive) or MIDI. You play your score and to each note is connected an audio, video or audiovisual fx, and you can connect whatever you want with whatever you desire. It's Pd! C::NTR::L is Cross-Platform for Mac, Linux and Windows (so far i've been able to keep the same patch working on all platform, too lucky...) By now it has been succesfully tested with electric bass guitar, guitar, piano (only two octaves working right now), accordion and trumpet. I conceived this project almost three years ago (when i was just starting to get aware of the existence of Pd). I was playing the bass guitar trying to control videos with resolume :( and sound with AudioMulch. wow.. i cannot figure out how! anyway, since my competences and passion for Pd grew up, i decided to make the whole project become a software for public use and to do it exclusively focusing on Pd. Today this is the result (I C::ntr::l Nature, my audiovisual performance for electric bass guitar and butterfly): http://vimeo.com/2225345 I sent out a call for beta-testers on the most used audiovisual-related forums (Pd forum too), i fixed most of the bugs and someone is planning to do things with my lil creature. Now I'm planning the public release of version 1.2 Beta in the end of this month (if i won't be eated by my everyday job). I'm writing to the list not only to let you know the news, but specially because i would like to know if there is anybody out there who has time and will to help me in the cleaning and further development of the code. Being a webdesigner, usability and accessiblity are my first aims. I've many ideas and many suggestions collected in my to-do list, but being alone, the development would be really slow, maybe even pointless. I would be glad to answer to all questions, technical, conceptual and more... and to explain more in depth how C::NTR::L is working. I know everybody is quite busy, infact i would be really glad also of some little help with some taks. I'm also developing a new interface trying to make C::NTR::L user-friendly for real. But this is another issue that i also would like to discuss about with the list. My idea, maybe pretty ingenuos, is to create a software for audiovisual performances so easy to use also for no-Pd'rs, that one would download Pd (and starting to familiarize with it) because of the interest towards C::NTR::L, or any other user-friendly software - unfortunately i don't see many around. For sure it wouldn't happen with millions of people, but maybe it could help in the spreading of Pd, and OS multimedia creation. further link (still have to update some contents, butthe most is there)
Re: [PD] GSoC Fwd: Thank you for your application
ahh, too bad.. this is obviously a template rejection notice, do they usually follow up this initial rejection with which criteria the organisation missed and which parts of the application need to be better addressed? it may just be the luck of the draw, but we are losing out to projects like scummvm - a virtual machine for playing video games from 1987! not that i have a problem with maniac mansion as such, but somethings gotta give! anyhow, good work to those responsible for putting the application together, i am sure with a bit of feedback and a little work, we will be a contender for next year. cheers, dmotd On Thursday 19 March 2009 18:07:15 Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Well, we didn't get accepted but now at least we do have a nice collection of projects for people to take on. http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 .hc Begin forwarded message: From: socghop.nore...@gmail.com Date: March 18, 2009 9:49:10 PM GMT Subject: Thank you for your application Hi Hans-Christoph Steiner, Thank you for submitting Pure Data (aka Pd) organization application to Google Summer of Code 2009. Unfortunately, we were unable to accept your organization's application at this time. We received many more applications for the program than we are able to accommodate, and we would encourage you to reapply for future instances of the program. Best regards, Google Open Source Programs --- - [T]he greatest purveyor of violence in the world today [is] my own government. - Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] DIY GSoC: getting those projects done
So now we have a nice collection of projects sketched out from the GSoC application, let's encourage people to take them on. If anyone wants to get involved with Pd development, take a look at the project ideas and if you are interested, then ask about them on the list and we can get started. http://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/GoogleSummerOfCodeIdeas2009 I think next time someone else should take on the GSoC application process. I'm 2 for 2 at not getting it, I've never had much luck with grants. And we have lots of well-sketched out projects. We should probably chuck the application part and start from scratch. .hc All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated -John Donne ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd book sprint in NYC/Berlin
I have also had a number of bad voice/video meetings and some decent IRC meetings. I'd really like to experiment with the combination of all of the above. I think that a voice conference together with IRC could be a really useful combination. For example, its hard to know when someone wants to speak next in a voice conference, in a physical meeting , that kind of queuing is really well handled with eye contact, and small hand gestures, which can happen while someone is talking. I think that kind of thing could happen in IRC, like people type in I'd like to respond, so for big chunks of talking, that would be handled over voice, then the little bits like figuring out who will speak next could be handled in IRC. For the book sprint, I think it would probably work differently. Like a constant, async, low volume chatter on IRC, then when some people want to work out an approach to a chapter or topic, they would switch to voice chat and have a discussion. .hc On Mar 18, 2009, at 3:45 AM, dmotd wrote: i should probably avoid writing emails before bed, and my negative bias towards video-conferencing comes from a number of bad experiences and unproductive meetings. anyhow you are quite right to push this one, to converse without latency can be very productive (but equally unproductive too) - a good meeting requires a fair bit more preparation and planning than just the medium, regardless of mcluhans philosophy. incidentally i have enjoyed his musings in the past but i already find his arguments ambiguous enough with regard to psychology and technology, to retrofit his ideologies to todays baffling techno-communcications wasteland is a bit of a stretch ;) ciao, dmotd On Tuesday 17 March 2009 21:41:46 Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Yeah, in case I came across too strong, I think that IRC is very useful, and voice chat is too. We can have both running for this meeting, and people can choose where they participate. IRC is great for async communications, like asking specific questions. But I find it takes 10-20x longer to work through difficult issues thru text- only media like IRC, IM, email, etc. as compared to a voice conversation. .hc On Mar 16, 2009, at 7:32 PM, João Pais wrote: Is this a one time thing, or might happen more times? I would say that at least voice connection would be productive. I haven't that much experience with video conferencing, but a medium where people can react at the same time they can think would be important. (although after too much time, even the fingers are faster than some heads) How about voice connection for general talk + an irc chat for small, fast questions? We can also send a group foto with skype, so that everyone feels the warmth. Marshall McLuhan would strongly disagree with you, as do I. The medium with which you communicate has a very strong impact on the conversation. That does not mean that it is the only influence. There are many things that lead to a bad meeting, and from my experience of having many meetings in person, on IRC, on IM, on phones, on voice chat, on video chat, and many different mixes above, I am a strong believer in high-bandwidth communication like voice. --- - Mistrust authority - promote decentralization. - the hacker ethic News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is publicity. - Bill Moyers ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] www.pd-tutorial.com
Johannes Kreidler wrote: hi list, congrats At the moment, Amazon says that it's not available, which is strange because it's definitely released, but at least it can be purchased at the Publishing House itself. http://www.amazon.de/Loadbang-Programming-Electronic-Music-Pure/dp/3936000573/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8s=books-intl-deqid=1235853524sr=8-3 even with amazon still filing the book as unavailable, i do love the first recension:-) : Das Buch ist einfach toll, total spannent geschriben und gar nicht Langweilig! Man darf ja das Ende nich veraten: aber es ist echt supersüß, was am Schlus passirt. (The book is just great, grippingly written and not boring at all! I don't want to spoil the end: but its really super cute, what's happening in the end. or similar) fngasdr, IOhannes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GSoC Fwd: Thank you for your application
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Well, we didn't get accepted but now at least we do have a nice collection of projects for people to take on. http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 any feedback on why? fgmadsr IOhannes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] DIY GSoC: getting those projects done
Aaaw Fooey!
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On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:08 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.orgwrote:
So now we have a nice collection of projects sketched out from the GSoC
application, let's encourage people to take them on. If anyone wants to get
involved with Pd development, take a look at the project ideas and if you
are interested, then ask about them on the list and we can get started.
http://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/GoogleSummerOfCodeIdeas2009
I think next time someone else should take on the GSoC application process.
I'm 2 for 2 at not getting it, I've never had much luck with grants. And
we have lots of well-sketched out projects. We should probably chuck the
application part and start from scratch.
.hc
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chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language;
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Re: [PD] variance from mapping library
On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Oded Ben-Tal wrote: I am getting a negative number occasionally. Ok, i isolated an example: [metro 100] | [10] | [variance 10] | converges to -281.6 and then changing 10 to 0 makes the result converge to -691.2. actually, afaik, [variance] doesn't have a bug by itself. The bug is in [mean_n], which displays similar behaviour in default mode. The bug is because of algebraic assumptions that don't work with floats. With real numbers, a+b-a-b = 0, but with floats, a+b-a-b is only guaranteed to be a small number, that is, less than 2^24 times smaller than abs(a)+abs(b), or something like that. But 10*10 = 100, and if you divide that by 2^24 = 16777216, you get about 596, which is an upper bound for the amount of error: so, the error is surely between -596 and +596. Then [mean_n] boosts this error to the max by adding it all together. Statistically, that error could diverge. So, the shortcut of keeping a total of a list of length N and only add the new element to it and subtract the oldest element from it, is not something that works with all floats. It's a trick that works with an int type, but with floats, it only works sometimes. _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal, Québec___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] www.pd-tutorial.com
On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, Matt Barber wrote: If you're doing mod 12 operations, there is one more pitch operator -- multiplication by 5 or 7 -- which maps the chromatic scale to the circle of fifths and vice-versa. The vice-versa part is quite cool. Actually, apart from 1,5,7,11, all modulo-multiplications are not undoable, because they forget part of what was the original note, so, the undo would be ambiguous. 5 undoes itself because 5*5=1 in mod 12, 7 undoes itself because 7*7=1 in mod 12, but then 5=-7 and 7=-5 as well, just like 1=-11 and 11=-1. The undoability depends on whether the greatest common divisor of the modulo and of the multiplicator is 1 or not. If you use the 22 equal temperament, for example, there are 10 invertibles, and with 43 equal temperament, there are 42 of them; the proportion of undoables vs non-undoables varies greatly from modulo to modulo. I'm not into microtonal stuff, but I studied the modulo theory and I think that people who can care about microtonal music are lucky to have a nice application of that theory in their hands :) See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler_phi_function _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal, Québec___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] variance from mapping library
and then changing 10 to 0 makes the result converge to -691.2. actually, afaik, [variance] doesn't have a bug by itself. The bug is in [mean_n], which displays similar behaviour in default mode. Yes that was my thought as well because the variance abstraction looks correct. The bug is because of algebraic assumptions that don't work with floats. With real numbers, a+b-a-b = 0, but with floats, a+b-a-b is only guaranteed to be a small number, that is, less than 2^24 times smaller than abs(a)+abs(b), or something like that. But 10*10 = 100, and if you divide that by 2^24 = 16777216, you get about 596, which is an upper bound for the amount of error: so, the error is surely between -596 and +596. I trust your math here but just notice that your example converges to -691. But if I understand you correctly 'filtering' the input data through [int] should make variance error free (we hope). thanks Oded ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] www.pd-tutorial.com
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, Matt Barber wrote: If you're doing mod 12 operations, there is one more pitch operator -- multiplication by 5 or 7 -- which maps the chromatic scale to the circle of fifths and vice-versa. The vice-versa part is quite cool. Actually, apart from 1,5,7,11, all modulo-multiplications are not undoable, because they forget part of what was the original note, so, the undo would be ambiguous. 5 undoes itself because 5*5=1 in mod 12, 7 undoes itself because 7*7=1 in mod 12, but then 5=-7 and 7=-5 as well, just like 1=-11 and 11=-1. The undoability depends on whether the greatest common divisor of the modulo and of the multiplicator is 1 or not. If you use the 22 equal temperament, for example, there are 10 invertibles, and with 43 equal temperament, there are 42 of them; the proportion of undoables vs non-undoables varies greatly from modulo to modulo. I'm not into microtonal stuff, but I studied the modulo theory and I think that people who can care about microtonal music are lucky to have a nice application of that theory in their hands :) See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler_phi_function Right, in mod-12, the other multiplications are not strictly operations (there is no inverse). I used to like to joke with friends that I was really into the multiplication by 0 mapping. Recently I've been writing music in various 19-tone equal temperaments, which, since it's prime, has a complete multiplicative group. 19 per octave is nice because you get really pure thirds. I've also been experimenting with 19 per perfect 12th (octave and a fifth), the smallest intervals of which work out almost exactly to standard 12-tone half-steps (check the 12th root of 2 and the 19th root of 3). In addition each modulus has strikingly different voice-leading possibilities. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] wrap~
On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Steffen Juul wrote: What is the largest integer not exceeding 0 (zero)? I've asked before, but I'll still like to know. It's 0. You surely mean another question instead, but I can't guess, as there would be several possibilities. With pd floats: smallest number 0 is 2^-149 = 1.40129846432482e-45 smallest number 1 is 1+2^-23 = 1+1.19209289550781e-07 biggest number 1 is 1-2^-24 = 1-5.96046447753906e-08 _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal, Québec___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] variance from mapping library
On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Oded Ben-Tal wrote: abs(a)+abs(b), or something like that. But 10*10 = 100, and if you divide that by 2^24 = 16777216, you get about 596, which is an upper bound for the amount of error: so, the error is surely between -596 and +596. I trust your math here but just notice that your example converges to -691. That's because 10*10 is only one value. Then, the second [mean_n] has to process + 9*9 + 8*8 + 7*7 + ... so the theoretical error maximum is much more than 596 but much less than 596*10. In practice, much of the individual errors are not that big and perhaps some of them cancel each other. But to find the reason for why -691 precisely, would take a long time and would not be any insightful. But if I understand you correctly 'filtering' the input data through [int] should make variance error free (we hope). no, it won't, because still all of the other objects process floats. The reason why ints wouldn't have that problem is because they have fixed precision, that is, the step between two adjacent numbers is 1, whereas for floats it's roughly proportional to the numbers themselves. For integers you will hit an overflow problem quite quickly, and so, for example, if you remake that abstraction using 32-bit integers (for example, using the GridFlow library) then you can already get an overflow by using random 5-digit numbers, but at least, it goes back to normal when given a more modest sequence, whereas for floats it gets stuck and needs to be reset (recreated). Using int64 you could get perfect results for most uses, but I don't recall whether the bugs in GridFlow's int64 support were fixed or not... I never quite had a use for int64 in the end. For the mapping library, there isn't much of a choice but to remake it with a slower algorithm, unless someone knows a magic trick for cancelling almost all of the error while not running so slow. Actually, it already runs in linear time, so it wouldn't be such a big loss if the complete sum was recomputed at every step, because it would still be linear. It would be a big loss if it could run in constant time (e.g. using an array for the queue) and had to be switched to linear time. _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal, Québec___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] www.pd-tutorial.com
On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Matt Barber wrote: Right, in mod-12, the other multiplications are not strictly operations (there is no inverse). They are called operations anyway. I don't know your definition of operation. They're usually called non-invertible operations, but in a Group (of Group Theory), all elements are invertible. Group Theory also has an operator (written as a small straight x in exponent) that makes a multiplication-wise group from an addition-wise group. For Z/12Z (the mod 12 integers), this gives you a group make of 1,5,7,11, which behaves like (Z/2Z)^2, which is are the 2-D vectors made of Z/2Z (mod 2 integers): 1 - (0,0) 5 - (0,1) 7 - (1,0) 11 - (1,1) Recently I've been writing music in various 19-tone equal temperaments, which, since it's prime, has a complete multiplicative group. yes... and as a bonus, this multiplicative group acts just like Z/18Z !!! _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal, Québec___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] wrap~
On 19/03/2009, at 17.24, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Steffen Juul wrote: What is the largest integer not exceeding 0 (zero)? I've asked before, but I'll still like to know. It's 0. Ok. It's just that when one send the 0 signal to a wrap~ instance it returns 1. (wrap~ of a negative integer is also 1.) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] www.pd-tutorial.com
mm. When I was studying music theory we used to reserve operation for a function that was 1 to 1 and onto; I think that usage has been pretty standard in music theory since 1987, through the work of David Lewin. Music theorists often screw up standard math terms though, so I never know what to call anything in what company, and always suspect it will be meaningless/wrong... =o) On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Matt Barber wrote: Right, in mod-12, the other multiplications are not strictly operations (there is no inverse). They are called operations anyway. I don't know your definition of operation. They're usually called non-invertible operations, but in a Group (of Group Theory), all elements are invertible. Group Theory also has an operator (written as a small straight x in exponent) that makes a multiplication-wise group from an addition-wise group. For Z/12Z (the mod 12 integers), this gives you a group make of 1,5,7,11, which behaves like (Z/2Z)^2, which is are the 2-D vectors made of Z/2Z (mod 2 integers): 1 - (0,0) 5 - (0,1) 7 - (1,0) 11 - (1,1) Recently I've been writing music in various 19-tone equal temperaments, which, since it's prime, has a complete multiplicative group. yes... and as a bonus, this multiplicative group acts just like Z/18Z !!! _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal, Québec ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] wrap~
On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Steffen Juul wrote: Ok. It's just that when one send the 0 signal to a wrap~ instance it returns 1. (wrap~ of a negative integer is also 1.) I'd call it a bug. I'd expect wrap~ to never ever output 1, if only to be consistent with how [mod] works. _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal, Québec___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] www.pd-tutorial.com
On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Matt Barber wrote: mm. When I was studying music theory we used to reserve operation for a function that was 1 to 1 and onto; I think that usage has been pretty standard in music theory since 1987, through the work of David Lewin. Music theorists often screw up standard math terms though, so I never know what to call anything in what company, and always suspect it will be meaningless/wrong... =o) Yeah, it's a tough problem, and actually mathematicians don't say it as operation so often, and tends to use operator with some special connotations too (but nothing to do with 1-to-1 and onto). It's all a big mess. No way out but to be more verbose; or else, all agree to rely on a specific glossary for all that gets said on pd-list (which is not actually doable...). _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal, Québec___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Chicago Patching Circle (Sunday, March 29th 5pm)
Hello all, I would like to invite any and everyone to a patching circle at the Red Line Tap on Sunday, March 29th. ( http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=redline+tap+chicagobtnG=Google+Searchcts=1237488991368aq=0oq=redline+tap ) I am planning to give a short demo of the SQLite externals I have been working on. The Red Line has a nice selection of beers for those into beer, so come on out and share!!! Mike ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] stop animation/motion in pd/gem
hello, i just stumbled on toonloop: http://alexandre.quessy.net/?q=toonloop just got me interested/curious if someone has written a similar patch in pd (toonloop = processing.org) thanks! mark ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] stop animation/motion in pd/gem
i just stumbled on toonloop: http://alexandre.quessy.net/?q=toonloop just got me interested/curious if someone has written a similar patch in pd (toonloop = processing.org) examples/pdp/example12.pd from pdp does something similar, but not as sophisticated as the processing thingy (e. g. can`t delete specific frames) cheers, holger ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] stop animation/motion in pd/gem
On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, mark edward grimm wrote: i just stumbled on toonloop: http://alexandre.quessy.net/?q=toonloop When, two weeks ago, my girlfriend introduced me to ToonLoop, I immediately thought about this music video made in 1986: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMylfkSDKV0 just got me interested/curious if someone has written a similar patch in pd (toonloop = processing.org) Should be fairly simple. GridFlow has a nervous_video.pd patch that shows how to store a bunch of frames in a big grid... for 32 frames of 240 rows of 320 columns of 3 channels, you just make a grid of size (32 240 320 3) and that's all. _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal, Québec___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] GSoC Fwd: Thank you for your application
Well, we didn't get accepted but now at least we do have a nice collection of projects for people to take on. http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 .hc BZFlag? I guess PD is not a Google MicroSoft fighter ... although it's kind of annoying to see rather large, funded projects getting preference over deserving projects such as PD. Mabey they'll site a lack of developer cohesion as PD is something different for everyone involved. Bastards. --- Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GSoC Fwd: Thank you for your application
Well, hindsight is 20/20, but I do have some ideas about improving upon the application itself (esp. regarding past successes/failures at GSoC). I'll be happy to contribute time for editing/touch-ups/clarifications for the next go-around. -Jonathan --- On Thu, 3/19/09, danomatika danomat...@gmail.com wrote: From: danomatika danomat...@gmail.com Subject: [PD] GSoC Fwd: Thank you for your application To: pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 10:07 PM Well, we didn't get accepted but now at least we do have a nice collection of projects for people to take on. http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 .hc BZFlag? I guess PD is not a Google MicroSoft fighter ... although it's kind of annoying to see rather large, funded projects getting preference over deserving projects such as PD. Mabey they'll site a lack of developer cohesion as PD is something different for everyone involved. Bastards. --- Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Chicago Patching Circle (Sunday, March 29th 5pm)
Woo hoo!
~Kyle
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Mike McGonagle mjm...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello all,
I would like to invite any and everyone to a patching circle at the
Red Line Tap on Sunday, March 29th. (
http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=redline+tap+chicagobtnG=Google+Searchcts=1237488991368aq=0oq=redline+tap
)
I am planning to give a short demo of the SQLite externals I have been
working on.
The Red Line has a nice selection of beers for those into beer, so
come on out and share!!!
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[PD] style guide idea: [send foo] versus [; foo(
Here's something that I'd like to propose for the style guide, based on my teaching experience: - use [send foo] instead of [; foo( for all sends that aren't dynamically set A lot of people find the [; foo( syntax confusing, and since it is commonly used, it often gets in the way of newbies understanding the patch. While the [; foo( syntax is definitely useful for dynamic sends, I don't think there is an advantage to using for the regular sends. So for example: [dsp 1( | [send pd] instead of |;/ |pd dsp 1 \ This change highlights the dataflow aspect of the messages over the text-style programming with syntax of the message box. At the very least, I think that the help patches should use this style, and I have started to use this style in my regular programming and it feels quite natural once you are used to it. I find it easier to read. (as for [s foo] versus [send foo] that's an issue I want to avoid in this discussion). .hc The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] read sysex files (hex)
No problem. That would make a nice object/abstraction, a sysex parser. .hc On Mar 18, 2009, at 2:01 AM, hard off wrote: YES! thanks hans, and thanks mr peach! Man has survived hitherto because he was too ignorant to know how to realize his wishes. Now that he can realize them, he must either change them, or perish.-William Carlos Williams ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] style guide idea: [send foo] versus [; foo(
hmm.. generally this could be a good idea, but message sending is most useful when initialising a number of receives ie: [loadbang] | |; init-1 6 / |; init-2 symbol foo | |; init-3 -2 \ which is far more elegant than the the trigger/send replacement, especially with more fields.. i think its important for students to recognise that this feature of messaging has a role to play, rather than trying to veil its use. in my experience people will tend to use [send foo] more often when they start pd, then begin abbreviating to [s foo] before they appreciate the msg shorthand [; foo[. but you are right it is a little confusing for new users.. perhaps this just needs clearer documenting? 'what does a semi-colon at the start of a message mean?' in the FAQ? dmotd On Friday 20 March 2009 10:38:06 Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Here's something that I'd like to propose for the style guide, based on my teaching experience: - use [send foo] instead of [; foo( for all sends that aren't dynamically set A lot of people find the [; foo( syntax confusing, and since it is commonly used, it often gets in the way of newbies understanding the patch. While the [; foo( syntax is definitely useful for dynamic sends, I don't think there is an advantage to using for the regular sends. So for example: [dsp 1( [send pd] instead of |;/ |pd dsp 1 \ This change highlights the dataflow aspect of the messages over the text-style programming with syntax of the message box. At the very least, I think that the help patches should use this style, and I have started to use this style in my regular programming and it feels quite natural once you are used to it. I find it easier to read. (as for [s foo] versus [send foo] that's an issue I want to avoid in this discussion). .hc --- - The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] Simultan - Call for video submissions // deadline 10 april
Simultan - Call for video submissions // deadline 10 april INFO The Simultan Festival is an annual festival for video, media art, experimental electronic music and a/v projects. This year's edition runs under the theme Trans:position and will take place on 21-23 May, 2009, in Timisoara, Romania. The festival wishes to sustain and to stimulate the creative ways of the most modern visions of perceiving and recording the cultural realities in contemporary art. It presents the current processes and the way in which technology and society give rise to new forms of artistic expression by using the new media. Based on a different theme every year, the festival presents video art projections, live performances, installations, lectures. TERMS OF ENTRY Simultan is open for submissions of innovative works, which use technology in a creative, ingenious way or are based on a peculiar, unusual story. The applicants can send works which fall in one of the two categories below: - experimental video - generative visuals based on sound and image manipulations and motion graphics Those interested may apply with a maximum number of 2 works; each of them must not exceed 5 minutes in length. MORE DETAILS AND APPLICATION FORM HERE: http://www.simultan.org/en/2009/callforentry.htm The deadline for submission is: April 10, 2009 (postmark) DOCUMENTATION After the event, a DVD/catalogue will be published and documentation will also be available on our website www.simultan.org. Each of the admitted participants will receive a DVD/catalogue by the end of 2009. No entry fee! For additional information please contact: Levente Kozma, email: simultan[at]simultan.org www.simultan.org ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] does anyone know of a good Eq I can use?
Hi guys, I was just wondering if anyone knows where I can find a decent 8-band (or greater) Eq patch? I don't need anything too fancy-I tried to make one myself, but I'm still figuring out how the lop~ and hip~ objects work and I'm in kind of a hurry. Thanks-enjoying all your emails very much. babsyco. _ Looking for a place to manage all your online stuff? Explore the new Windows Live . http://www.microsoft.com/australia/windows/windowslive/___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] stop animation/motion in pd/gem
examples/pdp/example12.pd from pdp does something similar, thats great. i had never seen that one! thanks for pointer GridFlow has a nervous_video.pd patch that shows how to store a bunch of frames in a big grid... that looks pretty elegant and will give it a shot on linux machine... BTW was wondering though if there are any plans to implement gridflow in extended? it would benefit our freshmen students for ease of installation/use on osx machines they now all run and i would love to demo this nerv_vid example... ToonLoop, I immediately thought about this music video made in 1986: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMylfkSDKV0 awesome! i dont remember ever seeing that one before not even in the '80's!! - mark --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca Subject: Re: [PD] stop animation/motion in pd/gem To: mark edward grimm mgr...@syr.edu Cc: pd_list Listserve pd-list@iem.at Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 4:36 PM On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, mark edward grimm wrote: i just stumbled on toonloop: http://alexandre.quessy.net/?q=toonloop When, two weeks ago, my girlfriend introduced me to ToonLoop, I immediately thought about this music video made in 1986: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMylfkSDKV0 just got me interested/curious if someone has written a similar patch in pd (toonloop = processing.org) Should be fairly simple. GridFlow has a nervous_video.pd patch that shows how to store a bunch of frames in a big grid... for 32 frames of 240 rows of 320 columns of 3 channels, you just make a grid of size (32 240 320 3) and that's all. _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal, Québec ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Chicago Patching Circle (Sunday, March 29th 5pm)
Oh man, awesome! I just looked up the Red Line tap and it's literally two blocks from my apartment, can't wait. I'd actually just heard about the place and was meaning to check it out, what a great opportunity. I'm looking forward to connecting with some other chicago PDers. -Ben ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
