Re: [PD] fast cam
In linux with a ps3 eye camera i've reached (thanks to kaswy - ps3 eye linux driver http://kaswy.free.fr/?q=node/38#ps3) 75 fps @ 640*480 125 fps @ 320*240 You can use more than one camera at a time - only tried with two cameras succesfully (i've only two of this:-) - 60 fps @ 1280*480 (used form motion tracking purpose) (OT: the only problem I have is: how to compose the two images into one single image to feed a single pix_blob? If someone can help...) The video quality is excellent (compared to other webcams) - a little noisy in low light but very good in normal light. You can choose Exposure, color balance etc... (auto or manual) The lenses have 2 zoom factor 56 and 75 degrees. There is the possibility to hack the hardware and have a M12 lens mount on it to have a wide range of lenses. Last, but not least: the price is very very low compared to other solutions (40 euros each). ciao! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] fast cam
I used a IEEE 1394 point grey flea2 some month ago, on os X, wondows and linux, but with linux I had difficulty to make it work and in particular with pd (I don't remember exactly as I also tried ps3 and others and several other things including acquisition with openCV true some externals that I made). On os X it was working natively for sure (try quicktime I suppose ...), on windows with a special driver. I must say that as I'm not a pure linux guy, so I maybe missed something. I used also another one quit similar from another brand, but more expensive, with additional optic (I still try to remember her name...) I just see that point grey has new products, maybe you should have a look. loic On 21 oct. 09, at 11:27, cyrille henry wrote: hello, did anyone used a fast camera (100 or 200 fps @ 640x480 or more, with good video quality) with pd/Gem? i'd like to have information about the camera and protocol how to do this. thanks Cyrille ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] very small form-factor PC for running PD
On Oct 23, 2009, at 10:51 AM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote: [PD] very small form-factor PC for running PD we use the alix computers = x86, actually running gentoo with pd vanilla pd-0.4.2 + oggcast~, moonlib, ++ on a project called streambox[1] the specs of the boxes are 500mhz, 256ram, monitor output, sound card, 2 usb ports, 1 ethernet port and a minipci slot for a wireless card if needed. look for alix3d3 at pcengines: http://pcengines.ch/order.php /a [1]some notes about it go in here: http://locusonus.org/w/index.php?page=Locustream+Streambox+FAQ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] readanysf~ for Mac/Intel
hola hans, On Oct 23, 2009, at 10:51 AM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote: readanysf~ for Mac/Intel tried placing them there in my ~/Library/Pd, but this is where i got: /Users/dspstv/Library/Pd/readanysf~/readanysf~.pd_darwin: dlopen(/ Users/dspstv/Library/Pd/readanysf~/readanysf~.pd_darwin, 10): Library not loaded: /sw/lib/libgavl.1.dylib Referenced from: /Users/dspstv/Library/Pd/readanysf~/ readanysf~.pd_darwin Reason: image not found readanysf~ 2 12 1024 ... couldn't create error: [import]: can't load library in 'readanysf~' ... you might be able to track this down from the Find menu. seems the path to the libs differs, should i place them elsewhere? gracias y un saludo, /a ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] fast cam
From Point Grey, there is the Grasshopper model : http://www.ptgrey.com/products/grasshopper/index.asp The version GRAS-03K2M/C works at 640x480 and 200 fps. Is there any delay ? I don't know. About Linux support : http://www.ptgrey.com/support/kb/index.asp?a=4q=17 ++ Jack Le vendredi 23 octobre 2009 à 09:34 +0200, Loic Kessous a écrit : I used a IEEE 1394 point grey flea2 some month ago, on os X, wondows and linux, but with linux I had difficulty to make it work and in particular with pd (I don't remember exactly as I also tried ps3 and others and several other things including acquisition with openCV true some externals that I made). On os X it was working natively for sure (try quicktime I suppose ...), on windows with a special driver. I must say that as I'm not a pure linux guy, so I maybe missed something. I used also another one quit similar from another brand, but more expensive, with additional optic (I still try to remember her name...) I just see that point grey has new products, maybe you should have a look. loic On 21 oct. 09, at 11:27, cyrille henry wrote: hello, did anyone used a fast camera (100 or 200 fps @ 640x480 or more, with good video quality) with pd/Gem? i'd like to have information about the camera and protocol how to do this. thanks Cyrille ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] pdp and images
Hi, I'm trying to overlay an image on a video in [pdp_imageloader], this all works fine, but I can't scale the images dynamically. offset works and rotate, but no scale? pdp_imgloader has a fit to video screen option, so scaling seems to be in there somewhere? are there other objects in pdp that do this? I don't want to mix with gem if not absolutely necessary. Thanks Kasper ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [announce] reminder : Pure Data Patching Circle @ Okno - 25/10/09
EN/ hello, this is a little reminder about the Pure Data Patching Circle this month in Okno http://okno.be/node/194 (30-34 koolemijnenkaai 1080 moolenbeek / Brussels) it will take place this sunday 25, starting at 14h until 18h we'll continue to explore the sound creation and processing techniques with Guilleaume Rabusseau, french musician and musicologist based in Berlin, with a special focus on real-time treatment and effects for this session. but feel free to come with your own project and questions... this is a free event, just take you laptop with you. (please send a mail to ol[at]okno.be to announce your presence for better planning) next session : sun 22 November 2009 FR/ Hello, juste un petit rappel concernant le Pure Data Patching Circle de ce mois à Okno http://okno.be/node/194 (30-34 quai aux charbonnages 1080 moolenbeek / bxl) ça se passe ce dimanche 25 à partir de 14h jusqu'à 18h. Nous continuerons à explorer les processus de création et altération sonore, avec Guilleaume Rabusseau, musicien et musicologue français basé à Berlin, avec un focus particulier cette fois sur les questions de traitements et effets sur le son en temps réel. Mais vous pouvez aussi venir avec vos propres projets et questions... Cet évènement est gratuis, juste prennez votre ordinateur portable avec vous. (prévennez de votre présence à ol[at]okno.be pour une meilleure organisation) session suivante : dim 22 novembre 2009 Thanks to/ supporté par : le Ministère de la Culture de la Communauté Française de Belgique - arts numériques sorry for crossposting ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] fast cam
hello thanks all for your answer and for the links. Cyrille Jack a écrit : From Point Grey, there is the Grasshopper model : http://www.ptgrey.com/products/grasshopper/index.asp The version GRAS-03K2M/C works at 640x480 and 200 fps. Is there any delay ? I don't know. About Linux support : http://www.ptgrey.com/support/kb/index.asp?a=4q=17 ++ Jack Le vendredi 23 octobre 2009 à 09:34 +0200, Loic Kessous a écrit : I used a IEEE 1394 point grey flea2 some month ago, on os X, wondows and linux, but with linux I had difficulty to make it work and in particular with pd (I don't remember exactly as I also tried ps3 and others and several other things including acquisition with openCV true some externals that I made). On os X it was working natively for sure (try quicktime I suppose ...), on windows with a special driver. I must say that as I'm not a pure linux guy, so I maybe missed something. I used also another one quit similar from another brand, but more expensive, with additional optic (I still try to remember her name...) I just see that point grey has new products, maybe you should have a look. loic On 21 oct. 09, at 11:27, cyrille henry wrote: hello, did anyone used a fast camera (100 or 200 fps @ 640x480 or more, with good video quality) with pd/Gem? i'd like to have information about the camera and protocol how to do this. thanks Cyrille ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] fast cam
On Fri, 23 Oct 2009, Pall Thayer wrote: Actually, I meant as in Spinal Tap - It goes to 11! :-) Yeah... I understood. I had heard of that joke over a decade before I finally watched Spinal Tap. But I was trying to make another joke on top of it. _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone: +1.514.383.3801___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] fast cam
there is good database for that kind of cameras here :: The IEEE1394 Digital Camera List http://damien.douxchamps.net/ieee1394/cameras/search/ ya ... under linux they are suposed to work all under libdc1394 http://damien.douxchamps.net/ieee1394/libdc1394/ coriander is nice control software using lindc1394 http://sourceforge.net/projects/coriander/ also there is unicap, an API that supports dc's (http://www.unicap-imaging.org/) is Gem0.92 able to use unicap? i'm not sure but if it's dc's should work... i never test it ... me and yves write a very basic implementation of pdp_dc1394 but atually it only works with unibrain monochrome cameras ... salutt, ll Quoting cyrille henry c...@chnry.net: hello thanks all for your answer and for the links. Cyrille Jack a écrit : From Point Grey, there is the Grasshopper model : http://www.ptgrey.com/products/grasshopper/index.asp The version GRAS-03K2M/C works at 640x480 and 200 fps. Is there any delay ? I don't know. About Linux support : http://www.ptgrey.com/support/kb/index.asp?a=4q=17 ++ Jack Le vendredi 23 octobre 2009 à 09:34 +0200, Loic Kessous a écrit : I used a IEEE 1394 point grey flea2 some month ago, on os X, wondows and linux, but with linux I had difficulty to make it work and in particular with pd (I don't remember exactly as I also tried ps3 and others and several other things including acquisition with openCV true some externals that I made). On os X it was working natively for sure (try quicktime I suppose ...), on windows with a special driver. I must say that as I'm not a pure linux guy, so I maybe missed something. I used also another one quit similar from another brand, but more expensive, with additional optic (I still try to remember her name...) I just see that point grey has new products, maybe you should have a look. loic On 21 oct. 09, at 11:27, cyrille henry wrote: hello, did anyone used a fast camera (100 or 200 fps @ 640x480 or more, with good video quality) with pd/Gem? i'd like to have information about the camera and protocol how to do this. thanks Cyrille ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] fast cam
lluisgo...@hangar.org wrote: there is good database for that kind of cameras here :: The IEEE1394 Digital Camera List http://damien.douxchamps.net/ieee1394/cameras/search/ ya ... under linux they are suposed to work all under libdc1394 http://damien.douxchamps.net/ieee1394/libdc1394/ coriander is nice control software using lindc1394 http://sourceforge.net/projects/coriander/ also there is unicap, an API that supports dc's (http://www.unicap-imaging.org/) is Gem0.92 able to use unicap? i'm not sure but if it's dc's should work... i never test it ... me and yves write a very basic implementation of pdp_dc1394 but atually it only works with unibrain monochrome cameras ... you wrote it, me, i was at the coffee shop.. then i integrated in pidip ... but hidden... but yeh, it's optional in svn/PiDiP if you install libdc1394 and do a ./configure, it should compile and you can try it ( as announced, very experimental and only monochrome ) but pd-extended doesn't use autotools, so you can only try it if you compile pidip yourself ... ( hihi, sorry this reminds me of another thread ).. saludos, sevy ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] fast cam
#N canvas 1 48 450 300 10; #X obj 169 34 vsl 15 170 0 11 0 0 empty empty empty 0 -9 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 16900 1; #X text 153 177 1; #X text 153 162 2; #X text 153 147 3; #X text 153 132 4; #X text 153 116 5; #X text 153 101 6; #X text 153 86 7; #X text 153 71 8; #X text 153 56 9; #X text 148 41 10; #X text 148 26 11; #X text 153 194 0; #X floatatom 169 219 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X connect 0 0 13 0; -- * Pall Thayer * Artist * http://www.this.is/pallit ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] fast cam
On Fri, 23 Oct 2009, Páll Þayer wrote: #N canvas 1 48 450 300 10; #X obj 169 34 vsl 15 170 0 11 0 0 empty empty empty 0 -9 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 16900 1; http://www.cloudera.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/volume_dials.jpg http://rlv.zcache.com/spinal_tap_one_louder_tshirt-p235551580107438137trlf_400.jpg _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone: +1.514.383.3801___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] fast cam
Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009, Páll Þayer wrote: #N canvas 1 48 450 300 10; #X obj 169 34 vsl 15 170 0 11 0 0 empty empty empty 0 -9 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 16900 1; http://www.cloudera.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/volume_dials.jpg http://rlv.zcache.com/spinal_tap_one_louder_tshirt-p235551580107438137trlf_400.jpg http://www.joshuatopolsky.com/2008/07/05/the-bbcs-iplayer-volume-goes-to-11-what-dont-you-understand-about-that/ -- * Pall Thayer * Artist * http://www.this.is/pallit ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Firmata 2.1beta7 and Pduino 0.5beta6 released!
We have a new beta release we a major feature and minor fix: - Shigeru Kobayashi added support running servos on almost all the pins! - Hernando Barragán added some fixes for building for the Wiring board. http://at.or.at/hans/pd/objects.html#pduino I tested this on a Diecimila and original Arduino. These are the only Arduinos I have, so testing and bug reports on those are very helpful. There are no outstanding bugs that I know of, if I hear of no other bugs, I think this one will be the final release! .hc ¡El pueblo unido jamás será vencido! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] fast cam
On Fri, 2009-10-23 at 09:25 +0200, Dario Pedrioli wrote: In linux with a ps3 eye camera i've reached (thanks to kaswy - ps3 eye linux driver) 75 fps @ 640*480 125 fps @ 320*240 do you mind providing some more info? i also have a ps3 eye cam and i also use a patched gspca-ov534 driver. however, i haven't figured out how to capture something else than 640x...@30fps. i tried with gem (using libv4l), ucview and mplayer. this is on ubuntu hardy (8.04). how do you change the framerate and dimensions? roman ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] PDuino example update frequency
Hi! Thanks to PDuino I just managed to get analogue data from my Arduino Mega using PDuino example patch arduino-test.pd, with virtually no effort at all. Fantastic! Now, as I am comparatively new to PD, I have been looking all over the patch for a metronome or something that determines the (1-second?) analogue readout period. I am using the SimpleAnalogFirmata firmware, but if I assume correctly, this rate is set somewhere in the PD patch? Best regards, Daniel ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PDuino example update frequency
Hey Daniel, If i remember correctly, there are [speedlim 100] objects used in the arduino-test patch. So the speed is limited to one read every 100 ms. It's somewhere in the analog input subpatch (i don't have it here so i can't verify now) hope this helps, Tim 2009/10/23 dan...@teaterolydig.se Hi! Thanks to PDuino I just managed to get analogue data from my Arduino Mega using PDuino example patch arduino-test.pd, with virtually no effort at all. Fantastic! Now, as I am comparatively new to PD, I have been looking all over the patch for a metronome or something that determines the (1-second?) analogue readout period. I am using the SimpleAnalogFirmata firmware, but if I assume correctly, this rate is set somewhere in the PD patch? Best regards, Daniel ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] PD installation in Sewanee, Tennessee
There is currently a PD installation in our university's gallery in Sewanee Tennessee ( hometown of Miller Puckette) http://art.sewanee.edu/art/2009/10/21/nowcasting-reception-and-talk/ the press release is below. Greg Sewanee’s University Art Gallery presents Nowcasting, an installation created by the collaborative group TEH. It will be on view in the University Gallery from October 9 – November 22, 2009. There will be an artists’ talk and reception on Friday, October 23rd at 4:30 pm in Convocation Hall, immediately adjacent to the University Art Gallery. Visitors to Nowcasting will experience the building of a digitized storm in the confines of the gallery. Like TEH’s other works, this installation is intended to “challenge the senses through the use of simulation, and present weather/environment through mediated, virtual and physical processes.” Entering a gallery space transformed by sound, visitors will question the reality of what their senses tell them about the surrounding environment. TEH includes the artists Phillip Andrew Lewis, Adam Trowbridge and Jessica Westbrook. They named their collaboration TEH after a mistake commonly made when using a keyboard – typing “teh” instead of “the.” This name represents the group’s interest in how an actively participating audience can be a factor in the meaning of an artwork. Individuals have unintended and surprising effects on the messages they create and receive. This name also represents the group’s interest in the difficulties of communication. Messages are often scrambled, or mean different things to different people. Representations intended to simulate reality can never be exactly the same thing. TEH uses modern interactive technologies to create their installations, but is also interested in examining the impact and meaning of those technologies for their users. In a world where we are surrounded by televisions, wii games, computers and cell phones, how is our experience of that world changed? The group’s current focus is on the intersection of technology with weather and specific physical sites. In today’s world, we experience even something as essential as the weather mediated through technology. What are the implications if technology can fool our senses and convincingly simulate real physical experience? Phillip Andrew Lewis often explores the viewer’s navigation of mental and physical environments in his work. He received his Bachelor of Arts in Psychology from the University of Memphis, and his MFA from the Memphis College of Art. In 2005 Lewis established Medicine Factory, a contemporary art space in downtown Memphis, and has exhibited nationally and internationally. His professional awards include a 2009 Digital Art Commission from the Austin Peay State University New Media Program, a 2008 Tennessee Arts Commission Individual Artist Fellowship, and a 2008 Public Art Grant from the Urban Art Commission, Memphis. Lewis teaches Photography and Media Arts at the University of Tennessee in Chattanooga. Adam Trowbridge uses a variety of approaches and media, including performance, video and computer-driven installations, to explore the connections, and the gaps, between what we experience and what we understand. Trowbridge received his MFA in Electronic Visualization / Responsive Art from the University of Illinois at Chicago, and his work has been featured nationally and internationally, including at the Anthology Film Archives in New York, and at the Square Eyes Festival in the Netherlands. Jessica Westbrook works with photography, video, language, and information design. In her work she explores subjective and often contradictory responses to anything from cultural artifacts to extreme situations. Westbrook received her MFA from the Tyler School of Art. In 2005 she established the artist’s collective SEED in Chattanooga, and has exhibited nationally and internationally. She has recently been featured in Static, the Journal of the London Consortium, and in Chicago’s artstorage.org. She teaches Photography and Graphic Design at the University of Tennessee in Chattanooga. Sewanee’s University Art Gallery is located on Georgia Avenue on the campus of the University of the South in Sewanee, Tennessee. The gallery is free, accessible, and open to the public. Hours are 10 – 5 Tuesday through Friday and 12 – 4 on Saturday and Sunday. Please call (931) 598-1223 for more information, or visit our website at http://www.sewanee.edu/gallery . ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very small form-factor PC for running PD
can you run a dual core in it? On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 3:47 AM, Daniel Wilcox danomat...@gmail.com wrote: I have an Artigo kit. Pico-itx running Ubuntu. Pd runs great. The Artigo fan is a bit loud though. The power supply is 12 v I believe and you can buy a DC auto converter for it. A pic is attached. On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:51 AM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Martin Peach martin.pe...@sympatico.ca To: Martin Dupras martindup...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:08:47 -0400 Subject: Re: [PD] very small form-factor PC for running PD Martin Dupras wrote: For a project I'm working on, I need a very small computer capable or running PD in an enclosure ideally smaller than 20cmx15cm. It doesn't need to have a screen, but it needs to have at least two USB ports and be able to be run on 12v DC or lower. Has anyone come across anything like this? nano-itx form factor is 12 × 12 cm pico-itx is 10 x 7.2 cm Most of them can run MSW or linux. Power supplies with 12V input are very small. This one looks interesting: http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/embedded/artigo Martin -- Dan Wilcox danomatika www.robotcowboy.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Jaime E Oliver LR joliv...@ucsd.edu www.realidadvisual.org/jaimeoliver www-crca.ucsd.edu/ www.realidadvisual.org 858 202 1522 9168 Regents Rd. Apt. G La Jolla, CA 92037 USA ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] readanysf~ for Mac/Intel
Ok, let's try again, this time in /Library/Pd: http://puredata.info/Members/hans/ReadAnySf .hc On Oct 23, 2009, at 5:22 AM, alejo wrote: hola hans, On Oct 23, 2009, at 10:51 AM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote: readanysf~ for Mac/Intel tried placing them there in my ~/Library/Pd, but this is where i got: /Users/dspstv/Library/Pd/readanysf~/readanysf~.pd_darwin: dlopen(/ Users/dspstv/Library/Pd/readanysf~/readanysf~.pd_darwin, 10): Library not loaded: /sw/lib/libgavl.1.dylib Referenced from: /Users/dspstv/Library/Pd/readanysf~/ readanysf~.pd_darwin Reason: image not found readanysf~ 2 12 1024 ... couldn't create error: [import]: can't load library in 'readanysf~' ... you might be able to track this down from the Find menu. seems the path to the libs differs, should i place them elsewhere? gracias y un saludo, /a ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Man has survived hitherto because he was too ignorant to know how to realize his wishes. Now that he can realize them, he must either change them, or perish.-William Carlos Williams ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PDuino example update frequency
The speedlims are in the object called [pd display values without pegging the CPU]. Connect before that to get the full speed data. .hc On Oct 23, 2009, at 2:10 PM, tim vets wrote: Hey Daniel, If i remember correctly, there are [speedlim 100] objects used in the arduino-test patch. So the speed is limited to one read every 100 ms. It's somewhere in the analog input subpatch (i don't have it here so i can't verify now) hope this helps, Tim 2009/10/23 dan...@teaterolydig.se Hi! Thanks to PDuino I just managed to get analogue data from my Arduino Mega using PDuino example patch arduino-test.pd, with virtually no effort at all. Fantastic! Now, as I am comparatively new to PD, I have been looking all over the patch for a metronome or something that determines the (1-second?) analogue readout period. I am using the SimpleAnalogFirmata firmware, but if I assume correctly, this rate is set somewhere in the PD patch? Best regards, Daniel ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list 'You people have such restrictive dress for women,’ she said, hobbling away in three inch heels and panty hose to finish out another pink- collar temp pool day. - “Hijab Scene #2, by Mohja Kahf ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] fast cam
check this tutorial... best, J On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Roman Haefeli reduzie...@yahoo.de wrote: On Fri, 2009-10-23 at 09:25 +0200, Dario Pedrioli wrote: In linux with a ps3 eye camera i've reached (thanks to kaswy - ps3 eye linux driver) 75 fps @ 640*480 125 fps @ 320*240 do you mind providing some more info? i also have a ps3 eye cam and i also use a patched gspca-ov534 driver. however, i haven't figured out how to capture something else than 640x...@30fps. i tried with gem (using libv4l), ucview and mplayer. this is on ubuntu hardy (8.04). how do you change the framerate and dimensions? roman ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Jaime E Oliver LR joliv...@ucsd.edu www.realidadvisual.org/jaimeoliver www-crca.ucsd.edu/ www.realidadvisual.org 858 202 1522 9168 Regents Rd. Apt. G La Jolla, CA 92037 USA ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] fast cam
also, that page links to the driver in the downloads page in case you have a different pathed driver. that one has been quite stable, although in my case, anything over 75fps, drops a frame every once in a while On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Jaime Oliver jaime.oliv...@gmail.com wrote: check this tutorial... best, J On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Roman Haefeli reduzie...@yahoo.de wrote: On Fri, 2009-10-23 at 09:25 +0200, Dario Pedrioli wrote: In linux with a ps3 eye camera i've reached (thanks to kaswy - ps3 eye linux driver) 75 fps @ 640*480 125 fps @ 320*240 do you mind providing some more info? i also have a ps3 eye cam and i also use a patched gspca-ov534 driver. however, i haven't figured out how to capture something else than 640x...@30fps. i tried with gem (using libv4l), ucview and mplayer. this is on ubuntu hardy (8.04). how do you change the framerate and dimensions? roman ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Jaime E Oliver LR joliv...@ucsd.edu www.realidadvisual.org/jaimeoliver www-crca.ucsd.edu/ www.realidadvisual.org 858 202 1522 9168 Regents Rd. Apt. G La Jolla, CA 92037 USA -- Jaime E Oliver LR joliv...@ucsd.edu www.realidadvisual.org/jaimeoliver www-crca.ucsd.edu/ www.realidadvisual.org 858 202 1522 9168 Regents Rd. Apt. G La Jolla, CA 92037 USA ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] fast cam
Roman Haefeli wrote: do you mind providing some more info? i also have a ps3 eye cam and i also use a patched gspca-ov534 driver. however, i haven't figured out how to capture something else than 640x...@30fps. i tried with gem (using libv4l), ucview and mplayer. this is on ubuntu hardy (8.04). how do you change the framerate and dimensions? roman Hi! You probably will have to change the videomode at module load time or unload and reload the module with the desired settings, see also here: http://kaswy.free.fr/?q=node/42 (link is quite old, maybe there where some changes) cheers Martin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very small form-factor PC for running PD
well, i run gem/video analysis on one processor and pd/audio on the other... On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Dan Wilcox danomat...@gmail.com wrote: The pic itx I have uses a 1 Ghz via. Check out mini-itx.com. You can get a dual core atom min-itx, although it will be at least twice as large. Why dual core? I run pd in realtime on Linux without the X gui on a small computer (500Mhz) and it runs without drop outs using a usb soundcard. On Oct 23, 2009, at 8:34 PM, Jaime Oliver wrote: can you run a dual core in it? On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 3:47 AM, Daniel Wilcox danomat...@gmail.com wrote: I have an Artigo kit. Pico-itx running Ubuntu. Pd runs great. The Artigo fan is a bit loud though. The power supply is 12 v I believe and you can buy a DC auto converter for it. A pic is attached. On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:51 AM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Martin Peach martin.pe...@sympatico.ca To: Martin Dupras martindup...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:08:47 -0400 Subject: Re: [PD] very small form-factor PC for running PD Martin Dupras wrote: For a project I'm working on, I need a very small computer capable or running PD in an enclosure ideally smaller than 20cmx15cm. It doesn't need to have a screen, but it needs to have at least two USB ports and be able to be run on 12v DC or lower. Has anyone come across anything like this? nano-itx form factor is 12 × 12 cm pico-itx is 10 x 7.2 cm Most of them can run MSW or linux. Power supplies with 12V input are very small. This one looks interesting: http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/embedded/artigo Martin -- Dan Wilcox danomatika www.robotcowboy.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Jaime E Oliver LR joliv...@ucsd.edu www.realidadvisual.org/jaimeoliver www-crca.ucsd.edu/ www.realidadvisual.org 858 202 1522 9168 Regents Rd. Apt. G La Jolla, CA 92037 USA Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com -- Jaime E Oliver LR joliv...@ucsd.edu www.realidadvisual.org/jaimeoliver www-crca.ucsd.edu/ www.realidadvisual.org 858 202 1522 9168 Regents Rd. Apt. G La Jolla, CA 92037 USA ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] fast cam
On a sidenote: this is a really fast cam (up to 1 million pix per seconds) watch it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKR4atl8h-I but i guess that's a little to expensive for you :-) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very small form-factor PC for running PD
indeed, that is what i have, but it's always tempting to go smaller... On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Dan Wilcox danomat...@gmail.com wrote: On Oct 23, 2009, at 9:11 PM, Jaime Oliver wrote: well, i run gem/video analysis on one processor and pd/audio on the other... ah ok, then I'd say get a dual core atom mini-itx with an nvidia pci express card Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com -- Jaime E Oliver LR joliv...@ucsd.edu www.realidadvisual.org/jaimeoliver www-crca.ucsd.edu/ www.realidadvisual.org 858 202 1522 9168 Regents Rd. Apt. G La Jolla, CA 92037 USA ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very small form-factor PC for running PD
On Oct 23, 2009, at 9:57 PM, Jaime Oliver wrote: indeed, that is what i have, but it's always tempting to go smaller... On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Dan Wilcox danomat...@gmail.com wrote: On Oct 23, 2009, at 9:11 PM, Jaime Oliver wrote: well, i run gem/video analysis on one processor and pd/audio on the other... ah ok, then I'd say get a dual core atom mini-itx with an nvidia pci express card ah ok. Well, in that case I'd discourage you from going smaller. The via linux drivers blow ... utterly. I could not get the unichorme graphics driver to work correctly in Ubuntu and gave up. The win drivers work, but the machines are probably not going to be fast enough versus something with a dedicated gpu. For audio only, it works. Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] fast cam
On Fri, 2009-10-23 at 19:33 +0200, Dario Pedrioli wrote: Here's some useful links: Driver Tutorial - installation and setting the driver Other settings: Autoexpo, gain etc... How to remove IR filter To load the driver at 320*240 60 fps: sudo modprobe gspca_ov534 videomode=13 To unload the driver (eg: to change settings) sudo modprobe -r gspca_ov534 To automatically load at boot: 1 - add file gspca_ov534 in /etc/modprobe.d with these line (only example) options gspca_ov534 videomode=13 autogain=0 exposure=200 sharpness=10 2 - add at the bottom of the file /etc/modules the line: gspca_ov534 I use it in GEM with succes (60 fps) - don't forget the message [frame 60 to gemwin. Hope this help. lovely! everything works just fine. many thanks. thanks also for the modding links. roman ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] exploring polar-space in 1-bit (GridFlow 0.9.5 demo)
fooling around with gridflow lately (and I'm enjoying it a lot!) one nice addition in GridFlow 0.9.5 has been the c2p/p2c R² operators (respectively cartesian-to-polar, and polar-to-cartesian) just wanted to share this demonstration: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/89643/gf_spirals_and_moire.avi as well as this: (not truly 1-bit though) http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/89643/gf_spirals_and_moire_take2.avi full ChangeLog for 0.9.5 release is at: http://gridflow.ca/svn/tags/gridflow_0_9_5_b/ChangeLog the patch I used to make the videos can be found in the examples directory of GridFlow (svn) cheers ~ mescalinum signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] very small form-factor PC for running PD
Yeah, I second that. Beware of trying this on very small 'minimal' boards. The reliable solution I have used time and again is mini ITX, VIA or Intel with a stock Debian net install. For video, you can put X on, along with ssh, and then use ssh -X to open a remote display, and then use the board as a headless sound engine. On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:15:38 +0200 Dan Wilcox danomat...@gmail.com wrote: On Oct 23, 2009, at 9:57 PM, Jaime Oliver wrote: indeed, that is what i have, but it's always tempting to go smaller... On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Dan Wilcox danomat...@gmail.com wrote: On Oct 23, 2009, at 9:11 PM, Jaime Oliver wrote: well, i run gem/video analysis on one processor and pd/audio on the other... ah ok, then I'd say get a dual core atom mini-itx with an nvidia pci express card ah ok. Well, in that case I'd discourage you from going smaller. The via linux drivers blow ... utterly. I could not get the unichorme graphics driver to work correctly in Ubuntu and gave up. The win drivers work, but the machines are probably not going to be fast enough versus something with a dedicated gpu. For audio only, it works. Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] introducing l2ork
Greetings all, I wanted to share with you my latest Linux-based and Linuxaudio.org-related project that has been sucking up most of my time over the past year or so to the point it seemed as if I have disappeared off the face of the Earth. Needless to mention it continues to alter my sleeping/eating patterns with unprecedented aptitude and with no end in sight ;-). The project in question is to the best of my knowledge World's first Linux Laptop Orchestra or simply L2Ork. Its software infrastructure currently revolves mainly around Pd. As a result, there have been various enhancements to Pd-extended, Linux gui enhancement (pd.tk posted a while ago) being one of them. We are hoping to release final versions soon. For more info: http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/ Best wishes, Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A. Composition, Music Technology Director, DISIS Interactive Sound Intermedia Studio Assistant Co-Director, CCTAD CHCI, CS, and Art (by courtesy) Virginia Tech Dept. of Music - 0240 Blacksburg, VA 24061 (540) 231-6139 (540) 231-5034 (fax) i...@vt.edu http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/bukvic/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] readanysf~ for Mac/Intel
You are still loading one from ~/Library/Pd (i.e. /Users/dspstv/ Library/Pd): /Users/dspstv/Library/Pd/readanysf~/readanysf~.pd_darwin: It needs to be in /Library/Pd, not ~/Library/Pd. So remove anything readanysf~ from ~/Library/Pd i.e. Users/dspstv/Library/Pd) .hc On Oct 23, 2009, at 4:21 PM, alejo wrote: hola hans, On Oct 23, 2009, at 8:35 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Ok, let's try again, this time in /Library/Pd: still nogo same error as before: /Users/dspstv/Library/Pd/readanysf~/readanysf~.pd_darwin: dlopen(/ Users/dspstv/Library/Pd/readanysf~/readanysf~.pd_darwin, 10): Library not loaded: /Library/Pd/readanysf~/libgavl.1.dylib Referenced from: /Users/dspstv/Library/Pd/readanysf~/ readanysf~.pd_darwin Reason: image not found readanysf~ 2 12 1024 ... couldn't create the pd im using is: 20090820 regards, /a http://puredata.info/Members/hans/ReadAnySf .hc On Oct 23, 2009, at 5:22 AM, alejo wrote: hola hans, On Oct 23, 2009, at 10:51 AM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote: readanysf~ for Mac/Intel tried placing them there in my ~/Library/Pd, but this is where i got: /Users/dspstv/Library/Pd/readanysf~/readanysf~.pd_darwin: dlopen(/ Users/dspstv/Library/Pd/readanysf~/readanysf~.pd_darwin, 10): Library not loaded: /sw/lib/libgavl.1.dylib Referenced from: /Users/dspstv/Library/Pd/readanysf~/ readanysf~.pd_darwin Reason: image not found readanysf~ 2 12 1024 ... couldn't create error: [import]: can't load library in 'readanysf~' ... you might be able to track this down from the Find menu. seems the path to the libs differs, should i place them elsewhere? gracias y un saludo, /a ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Man has survived hitherto because he was too ignorant to know how to realize his wishes. Now that he can realize them, he must either change them, or perish.-William Carlos Williams I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. - General Smedley Butler ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] exploring polar-space in 1-bit (GridFlow 0.9.5 demo)
Nice! can we see the patches? .hc On Oct 23, 2009, at 6:09 PM, mescali...@gmail.com wrote: fooling around with gridflow lately (and I'm enjoying it a lot!) one nice addition in GridFlow 0.9.5 has been the c2p/p2c R² operators (respectively cartesian-to-polar, and polar-to-cartesian) just wanted to share this demonstration: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/89643/gf_spirals_and_moire.avi as well as this: (not truly 1-bit though) http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/89643/gf_spirals_and_moire_take2.avi full ChangeLog for 0.9.5 release is at: http://gridflow.ca/svn/tags/gridflow_0_9_5_b/ChangeLog the patch I used to make the videos can be found in the examples directory of GridFlow (svn) cheers ~ mescalinum ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list As we enjoy great advantages from inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously. - Benjamin Franklin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] readanysf~ for Mac/Intel
On Oct 24, 2009, at 2:38 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: It needs to be in /Library/Pd, not ~/Library/Pd. So remove anything readanysf~ from ~/Library/Pd i.e. Users/dspstv/Library/Pd) Created new readanysf~ with 2 channels and internal buffer of 12 * 1024 = 12288 thx, /a .hc On Oct 23, 2009, at 4:21 PM, alejo wrote: hola hans, On Oct 23, 2009, at 8:35 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Ok, let's try again, this time in /Library/Pd: still nogo same error as before: /Users/dspstv/Library/Pd/readanysf~/readanysf~.pd_darwin: dlopen(/ Users/dspstv/Library/Pd/readanysf~/readanysf~.pd_darwin, 10): Library not loaded: /Library/Pd/readanysf~/libgavl.1.dylib Referenced from: /Users/dspstv/Library/Pd/readanysf~/ readanysf~.pd_darwin Reason: image not found readanysf~ 2 12 1024 ... couldn't create the pd im using is: 20090820 regards, /a http://puredata.info/Members/hans/ReadAnySf .hc On Oct 23, 2009, at 5:22 AM, alejo wrote: hola hans, On Oct 23, 2009, at 10:51 AM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote: readanysf~ for Mac/Intel tried placing them there in my ~/Library/Pd, but this is where i got: /Users/dspstv/Library/Pd/readanysf~/readanysf~.pd_darwin: dlopen(/ Users/dspstv/Library/Pd/readanysf~/readanysf~.pd_darwin, 10): Library not loaded: /sw/lib/libgavl.1.dylib Referenced from: /Users/dspstv/Library/Pd/readanysf~/ readanysf~.pd_darwin Reason: image not found readanysf~ 2 12 1024 ... couldn't create error: [import]: can't load library in 'readanysf~' ... you might be able to track this down from the Find menu. seems the path to the libs differs, should i place them elsewhere? gracias y un saludo, /a ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Man has survived hitherto because he was too ignorant to know how to realize his wishes. Now that he can realize them, he must either change them, or perish.-William Carlos Williams I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. - General Smedley Butler ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] comment object
the comment object is not visible inside of a subpatch(with graph on parent)...why? when I create acomment by ctrl-5 this one is visible, but creating a comment object with options for size, font and color...this one is visible only in a main patch but invisible in a subpatch with graph on parent...any idea? Andrés Ferrari G. http://www.myspace.com/anfex ¡Obtén la mejor experiencia en la web! Descarga gratis el nuevo Internet Explorer 8. http://downloads.yahoo.com/ieak8/?l=e1___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] readanysf~ for Mac/Intel
Woo hoo! Enjoy, its really great. I reads so many files and even live streams really easily. .hc On Oct 23, 2009, at 8:48 PM, alejo wrote: On Oct 24, 2009, at 2:38 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: It needs to be in /Library/Pd, not ~/Library/Pd. So remove anything readanysf~ from ~/Library/Pd i.e. Users/dspstv/Library/Pd) Created new readanysf~ with 2 channels and internal buffer of 12 * 1024 = 12288 thx, /a .hc On Oct 23, 2009, at 4:21 PM, alejo wrote: hola hans, On Oct 23, 2009, at 8:35 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Ok, let's try again, this time in /Library/Pd: still nogo same error as before: /Users/dspstv/Library/Pd/readanysf~/readanysf~.pd_darwin: dlopen(/ Users/dspstv/Library/Pd/readanysf~/readanysf~.pd_darwin, 10): Library not loaded: /Library/Pd/readanysf~/libgavl.1.dylib Referenced from: /Users/dspstv/Library/Pd/readanysf~/ readanysf~.pd_darwin Reason: image not found readanysf~ 2 12 1024 ... couldn't create the pd im using is: 20090820 regards, /a http://puredata.info/Members/hans/ReadAnySf .hc On Oct 23, 2009, at 5:22 AM, alejo wrote: hola hans, On Oct 23, 2009, at 10:51 AM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote: readanysf~ for Mac/Intel tried placing them there in my ~/Library/Pd, but this is where i got: /Users/dspstv/Library/Pd/readanysf~/readanysf~.pd_darwin: dlopen(/Users/dspstv/Library/Pd/readanysf~/readanysf~.pd_darwin, 10): Library not loaded: /sw/lib/libgavl.1.dylib Referenced from: /Users/dspstv/Library/Pd/readanysf~/ readanysf~.pd_darwin Reason: image not found readanysf~ 2 12 1024 ... couldn't create error: [import]: can't load library in 'readanysf~' ... you might be able to track this down from the Find menu. seems the path to the libs differs, should i place them elsewhere? gracias y un saludo, /a ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Man has survived hitherto because he was too ignorant to know how to realize his wishes. Now that he can realize them, he must either change them, or perish.-William Carlos Williams I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. - General Smedley Butler Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
