Re: [PD] analysis before synthesis: How?

[pvallet]

Hi,

You might also want to chek the pd doc about fft operations examples in 
pd\doc\audio.examples\
namely I04.noisegate.pd for filtering the noise and I03.resynthesis.pd 
to reconstruct your signal. (but all the I section is loosely relevant)

You'll then be able to experiment and build from these.

hth,
greetings,
p.

meino.cra...@gmx.de a écrit :

Hi,

this is more a general question:
I have a "piece of sound" (sorry, English is not my mothers tonque...)
which conatins beside background noise a scifi-sound, which I want to
synthezise ("synthesise"?) with puredata as close to the original as
possible -- without the background.

Now I am looking for recipe to do such a thing -- without the need of 
a supercomputer and without the deep deep knowledge of really deep

math.

Is there a way to supress the backgroudn as much as possible?
Would it be make sense to make a fourier analysis with a tool (what
tool -- I am using puredata on Gentoo-Linux)? Are there others
tool, which would help me to solve this task?

Any idea and help are very appreciated -- thanks a lot in advance!

best regards and have a nice sunday!
mcc



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Re: [PD] gem fullscreen question

[Michal Seta]

offset and dimen work fine on my intel as well:

lspci
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS,
943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME,
943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)

However I prefer to use border message rather than fullscreen because
fullscreen just hijacks my X. Perhaps this behaviour is specific to my
GFX controller.

./MiS

On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Pagano, Patrick
 wrote:
> I just use offset and dimen with 9.04
>
> Have at least ATI or Nvidia though
>
>
>
> pp
>
>
>
> From: pd-list-boun...@iem.at [mailto:pd-list-boun...@iem.at] On Behalf Of
> Andrew Faraday
> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 4:39 PM
> To: f...@mur.at; de...@umatic.nl
> Cc: pd-list@iem.at
> Subject: Re: [PD] gem fullscreen question
>
>
>
> I've been looking into something similar. If I'm using a projector alongside
> a laptop (on 9.04) is it possible to put Gem full screen on the second
> screen?
>
>> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 20:00:46 +0100
>> From: f...@mur.at
>> To: de...@umatic.nl
>> CC: pd-list@iem.at
>> Subject: Re: [PD] gem fullscreen question
>>
>> thanks Derek!.-
>> As you said, [key] always caused problems.- [gemkeyname] works great
>> with the GEM window.-
>> fraenk
>>
>>
>> Derek Holzer schrieb:
>> > I guess you don't have the option of a second monitor for your [gemwin]?
>> >
>> > I noticed that [key] doesn't work when the [gemwin] is fullscreen, but
>> > if you use [gemkeyname] or [gemkeyboard] you can trigger a "destroy"
>> > message to the [gemwin].
>> >
>> > You can combine messages and use a [t b b] so that first "bang" sends
>> > the "0, destroy" message to [gemwin] and the second "bang" sends a
>> > message like "dimen 320 240, create, 1".
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > D.
>> >
>> > On 3/4/10 7:23 PM, Fränk Zimmer wrote:
>> >> Dear friends of Pd,
>> >> my be this is a very stupid question.- I?m working on an installation
>> >> work and the GEM window should run in fullscreen mode. A beamer is
>> >> connected to my PC VGA.- How do I switch from fullscreen back to my Pd
>> >> patch?
>> >> I`m on Ubuntu 9.04.-
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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Re: [PD] GSOC 2010?

[ydego...@gmail.com]

google are located in a totally unfriendly city
where i've been working ( the incredible truth )

apart from their will to control all of us,
and sell their poison
i would say : sell chewing gums to the pinguins, godgle ...
did i say GODgle?, oops a mistake

sevy

Dan Wilcox wrote:

Is there any interest in pushing for Google Summer of Code 2010?

Pd should be sponsored over the plethora of lame open source games.


Dan Wilcox
danomatika.com 
robotcowboy.com 






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[PD] Playing soundfile via array

[meino . cramer]

Hi,

(using Pd version 0.41.4-extended on Gentoo Linux (pd-overlay)) 

I am trying to read a short soundfile (wav/aiff) from disc
into an array and then play the data of the array into a [dac~].
In the meanwhile to sounds like "something" but itt has nothing 
to do with the original file, which plays well via mplayer, vlc etc.


#> file oneshot.wav

gives me

oneshot.wav: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, Microsoft PCM, 16 bit, 
stereo 22050 Hz

#> file oneshot.aiff

gives me

oneshot.aiff: IFF data, AIFF audio

Only reading the file via the last "raw" command fills the array with
anything else then nulls. Both top commands seem to do nothing at all.

I copied the stuff from different help entries.

Attached you will find the according patch.

What did I wrong with this?

Thank you very much in advance for any help!
mcc


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#N canvas 590 75 737 1007 24;
#N canvas 0 0 450 300 (subpatch) 0;
#X array array1 5379 float 0;
#X coords 0 1 5378 -1 300 100 1;
#X restore 131 321 graph;
#N canvas 0 0 450 300 (subpatch) 0;
#X array array2 5381 float 4;
#X coords 0 1 5380 -1 300 100 1;
#X restore 131 427 graph;
#X obj 17 262 soundfiler;
#X floatatom 16 343 0 0 0 0 - - -;
#X msg 452 557 \; pd dsp 0;
#X msg 177 556 \; readout 1 \; pd dsp 1 \;;
#X floatatom 30 975 0 0 0 0 - - -;
#X obj 36 889 env~ 16384;
#X obj 109 855 *~;
#X obj 245 925 line~;
#X msg 297 847 0 100;
#X obj 109 953 hip~ 5;
#X msg 41 670 bang;
#X msg 14 632 set array2;
#X obj 35 802 tabplay~ array2;
#X obj 111 1029 dac~;
#X msg 266 741 22050 1000;
#X msg 125 742 0 22050;
#X msg 283 805 100 100;
#X msg 68 709 22050;
#X msg 35 67 read /tmp/oneshot.wav array2;
#X msg 56 152 read -resize /tmp/oneshot.wav array2;
#X msg 63 203 read -raw 128 2 2 b /tmp/oneshot.wav array2;
#X connect 2 0 3 0;
#X connect 7 0 6 0;
#X connect 8 0 11 0;
#X connect 9 0 8 1;
#X connect 10 0 9 0;
#X connect 11 0 15 1;
#X connect 12 0 14 0;
#X connect 13 0 14 0;
#X connect 14 0 7 0;
#X connect 14 0 15 0;
#X connect 16 0 14 0;
#X connect 17 0 14 0;
#X connect 18 0 9 0;
#X connect 19 0 14 0;
#X connect 20 0 2 0;
#X connect 21 0 2 0;
#X connect 22 0 2 0;
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Re: [PD] pd-ext and Ubuntu

[András Murányi]

I used to keep with Hardy then i unfortunately was forced to upgrade to
Jaunty.
liblame0 has been renamed (?) to libmp3lame0, so you may find it by that
name. It comes from the Multiverse repo, which is not enabled by default.
For all kinds of copyrighted stuff, add the Medibuntu.org repo. (It might or
might not solve this particular problem.)
Andras

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

>
> liblame0 is not DFSG free because it is a patented algorithm in a number of
> countries, like the US and Germany.  That's why Debian and GnuSense don't
> distribute it.  Ubuntu is probably based in a country where that patent
> isn't valid, so they choose to include it.
>
> hc
>
> On Mar 8, 2010, at 2:23 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
>
>  Hello,
>>I've got a box with gNewSense 2.3-deltah which I've read is based on
>> Ubuntu Hardy.  When I try to install the package from the download page,
>> or
>> install one of the nightly builds, I get an error about a missing
>> dependency
>> liblame0.  I saw an "ugly hack" listed here:
>>
>> http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2008-09/065299.html
>>
>> It works but the package is still listed as broken in Synaptic.  Does this
>> happen for other people on Hardy or am I doing something wrong?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jonathan
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [PD] Fontsizes

[meino . cramer]

Regarding the fix, which was mentioned here: 
I checked, whether there is something on the svn of pd-overlay for
gentoo-linux...nothing.

And: What version of pd was patched with this fix?

Regarding you posting:
The "or others" is the thing, which gives me headaches... ;/

What do you suggest what I can do to fix the problem in a 
at least half efficient way?

mcc

Hans-Christoph Steiner  [10-03-11 00:48]:
> 
> I am guessing that you don't have the right font installed.  Depending 
> on which version of Pd you are using, it could be Bitstream Vera Sans 
> Mono, DejaVu Sans Mono, or others.
> 
> .hc
> 
> On Mar 10, 2010, at 11:57 AM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote:
> 
> >I am on Linux... "recent build" means in case of overlays for Gentoo:
> >Wait
> >
> >Best regards,
> >mcc
> >
> >
> >Jonathan Wilkes  [10-03-10 17:32]:
> >>In winxp:
> >>Browser-- fine.  Font menu, console buttons, iemgui properties 
> >>dialogue,
> >>gatom properties dialogue, canvas dialogue, scalar dialogue buttons, 
> >>"Put"
> >>menu array dialogue, find dialogue, "File" menu message-- still tiny.
> >>
> >>-Jonathan
> >>
> >>--- On Wed, 3/10/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner  wrote:
> >>
> >>>From: Hans-Christoph Steiner 
> >>>Subject: Re: [PD] Fontsizes
> >>>To: "Jonathan Wilkes" 
> >>>Cc: pd-list@iem.at, meino.cra...@gmx.de
> >>>Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 3:33 AM
> >>>
> >>>I think I fixed this recently, try a recent build.
> >>>
> >>>.hc
> >>>
> >>>On Feb 26, 2010, at 11:30 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
> >>>
> Same problem with small fonts on winxp with Pd version
> >>>0.42.5-extended
> 20100217 (audio menu, MIDI menu, properties dialogue,
> >>>browser).
> 
> -Jonathan
> 
> --- On Sat, 2/27/10, meino.cra...@gmx.de
> >>>
> >>>wrote:
> 
> >From: meino.cra...@gmx.de
> >>>
> >Subject: [PD] Fontsizes
> >To: pd-list@iem.at
> >Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 5:15 AM
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >I am still unsure, whether I have installed
> >>>puredata
> >correctly...
> >Being on Gentoo-Linux, which I periodically
> >>>update, I use a
> >so
> >called overlay especially made for gentoo to
> >>>install
> >pd-extended.
> >
> >When I start pd, the initial dialog (that one with
> >>>the
> >console) came
> >up with a microscopic font size.
> >
> >Loading any patch also results in dialog, which
> >>>came up
> >with that
> >too small font. Now I am able to change it to a
> >>>bigger
> >size, which
> >often mess up the laout of that patch.
> >
> >I tried to set the font size globally in
> >>>~/.pdsettings,
> >which does not
> >work, though pd repports in "startup flags" my
> >>>setting. I
> >also
> >can set to that fontsize by hand.
> >
> >When starting pd from the command line it
> >>>reports:
> >Pd version 0.41-4extended
> >compiled 14:14:02 Feb 21 2010
> >port 5401
> >TCL_LIBRARY="/usr/lib/pd/tcl/library"
> >TK_LIBRARY="/usr/lib/pd/tk/library"
> >
> >"/usr/lib/pd/bin/pd-gui" 5401
> >Waiting for connection request...
> >... connected
> >
> >Is there any way to increase the complete
> >>>pd-display by a
> >factor to
> >make things readable?
> >
> >Any othe hint?
> >
> >Thank you very much in advance for any help! :)
> >
> >Have a nice weekend!
> >Best regards,
> >mcc
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] [readanysf~] for ubuntu

[Ricardo Lameiro]

Nice one.
very useful :D
thanks for the release!

2010/3/10 Roman Haefeli 

> Hi all
>
> I dug into deb packaging and published the results on a PPA:
>
> https://launchpad.net/~reduzierer/+archive/rdz-pd-extra+deps
>
> Supported are:
>
> Ubuntu Karmic (amd64, i386, lpia)
> Ubuntu Jaunty (amd64, i386, lpia)
>
> I hope this works for you (please report back, if not).
>
> I had troubles building libgmerlin-avdec1 on Intrepid, that is why there
> is no [readanysf~] for Intrepid. Hardy seems to involve even more work
> and I don't know, if it is possible at all.
>
> Roman
>
>
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[PD] [PD-announce] [readanysf~] for ubuntu

[Roman Haefeli]

Hi all

I dug into deb packaging and published the results on a PPA:

https://launchpad.net/~reduzierer/+archive/rdz-pd-extra+deps

Supported are:

Ubuntu Karmic (amd64, i386, lpia)
Ubuntu Jaunty (amd64, i386, lpia)

I hope this works for you (please report back, if not).

I had troubles building libgmerlin-avdec1 on Intrepid, that is why there
is no [readanysf~] for Intrepid. Hardy seems to involve even more work
and I don't know, if it is possible at all. 

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Re: [PD] MusicumMachina

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Wow, 1.5 gigs of samples is a lot.  Is there a smaller version to play  
with?  Nice sound sample.


.hc

On Feb 17, 2010, at 1:50 PM, JKP wrote:


An Machine Sound Generator for Pure Data


Made with Pd version 0.41.4-extended

--- DOWNLOAD ---

The Patches
http://jkp.antisocial.be/musique/JKP-MusicumMachina.zip

The Sound ( 1.5 Go )
http://jkp.antisocial.be/musique/JKP-audio.zip

--- INSTALL ---

Unpack the zip file called JKP-musicummachina.zip into your pure  
data directory

./puredata/ ( patch files )
Unpack the zip file JKP-audio.zip into your previously selected  
directory

./puredata/JKP-MusicumMachina/ ( sound files )


--- PLAY ---

In order to listen the MusicumMachina project, open:
musicum-machina.pd

In order to play with the MusicumMachina project, open:
musicum-machina-live.pd

--- EXAMPLE ---

http://jkp.antisocial.be/musique/exemple.mp3

-- SCREENSHOT ---

http://jkp.antisocial.be/musicummachina.html

--- THANKS ---

to Miller Puckett
to Thomas Thierry
to Hardoff

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Re: [PD] Fontsizes

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

I am guessing that you don't have the right font installed.  Depending  
on which version of Pd you are using, it could be Bitstream Vera Sans  
Mono, DejaVu Sans Mono, or others.


.hc

On Mar 10, 2010, at 11:57 AM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote:


I am on Linux... "recent build" means in case of overlays for Gentoo:
Wait

Best regards,
mcc


Jonathan Wilkes  [10-03-10 17:32]:

In winxp:
Browser-- fine.  Font menu, console buttons, iemgui properties  
dialogue,
gatom properties dialogue, canvas dialogue, scalar dialogue  
buttons, "Put"

menu array dialogue, find dialogue, "File" menu message-- still tiny.

-Jonathan

--- On Wed, 3/10/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner  wrote:


From: Hans-Christoph Steiner 
Subject: Re: [PD] Fontsizes
To: "Jonathan Wilkes" 
Cc: pd-list@iem.at, meino.cra...@gmx.de
Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 3:33 AM

I think I fixed this recently, try a recent build.

.hc

On Feb 26, 2010, at 11:30 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:


Same problem with small fonts on winxp with Pd version

0.42.5-extended

20100217 (audio menu, MIDI menu, properties dialogue,

browser).


-Jonathan

--- On Sat, 2/27/10, meino.cra...@gmx.de


wrote:



From: meino.cra...@gmx.de



Subject: [PD] Fontsizes
To: pd-list@iem.at
Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 5:15 AM

Hi,

I am still unsure, whether I have installed

puredata

correctly...
Being on Gentoo-Linux, which I periodically

update, I use a

so
called overlay especially made for gentoo to

install

pd-extended.

When I start pd, the initial dialog (that one with

the

console) came
up with a microscopic font size.

Loading any patch also results in dialog, which

came up

with that
too small font. Now I am able to change it to a

bigger

size, which
often mess up the laout of that patch.

I tried to set the font size globally in

~/.pdsettings,

which does not
work, though pd repports in "startup flags" my

setting. I

also
can set to that fontsize by hand.

When starting pd from the command line it

reports:

Pd version 0.41-4extended
compiled 14:14:02 Feb 21 2010
port 5401
TCL_LIBRARY="/usr/lib/pd/tcl/library"
TK_LIBRARY="/usr/lib/pd/tk/library"

"/usr/lib/pd/bin/pd-gui" 5401
Waiting for connection request...
... connected

Is there any way to increase the complete

pd-display by a

factor to
make things readable?

Any othe hint?

Thank you very much in advance for any help! :)

Have a nice weekend!
Best regards,
mcc

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Re: [PD] Any experience with analog gamepad and [hid]?

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

[hid] just relays the data that the OS gets, so it sounds like your  
cheap gamepads are a bit too cheap.  I've seen exactly that in some  
gamepads and joysticks.  The quality of HID devices can vary wildly.   
I've had good luck with Saitek joysticks and Logitech mice.  Logitech  
joysticks are just ok.


.hc

On Mar 9, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Pierre Massat wrote:


Hi all!

I was wondering if anybody could provide me with some feedback about  
any experience with a gamepad and [hid]. I use a DIY stompbox i made  
from a (very) cheap analog gamepad, and i am experiencing some  
trouble with the data i get from the analog potentiometers (i put  
one of them in an expression pedal). Basically, 3 pots out of 4  
don't cover the entire theoretical range (0 to 256) and can only  
provide an input up to about 150. The last pot does cover the whole  
range, but in a non-linear fashion. So i was thinking of making  
another stompbox with a better quality gamepad, but i want to make  
sure the problem comes from the cheap gamepad i used and not from  
[hid] itself. By the way i use Pd-extended on Fedora 12 with the  
Planet CCRMA rt-kernel.


Best,

Pierre

PS : it goes without saying that i did check the value of the pots  
in the gamepad before replacing them.

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Re: [PD] How to add relative paths - was: Re: Extended can't load any library except Gem on Windows Vista

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Which version of Pd-extended are you using?

.hc

On Mar 8, 2010, at 5:35 AM, Matteo Sisti Sette wrote:


IOhannes m zmoelnig escribió:


seems like you are missing the libdir loader.
Pd-extended compiles libraries as libdirs, [...]


Oh yes!
Libdir is indeed the first item in the "loadlib" list - i.e. it is  
"loadlib1"="libdir" in the registry, so the mistery is why libdir  
doesn't [didn't] load in the first place (I do, and did, have a  
libdir.dll file in the extra folder).


Now two strange things:
1) I manually re-edited the .reg file, apparently reestablishing it  
just like it was before (I had replaced all "loadlib" with "path" as  
a workaround, to have all externals available though not pre- 
loaded), and surprise surprise, now everything works: libdir loads  
and all subsequent libs load


2) Now, just to try, I deleted all keys from the registry (all the  
"loadlib" entries _and_ the "nloadlib" entry); however, when I run  
Pd, it still loads all libraries, and they appear in the "startup"  
list. If I modify the list from Pd and click "Apply", then all keys  
in the registry are created again.


So, how does Pd "remember" the startup list after I delete it from  
the registry? Seems like it saves it somewhere else. Where?? Or is  
it the registry itself that has some sort of "cache"?



Regarding mistrey (1), there is an error in the pd-settings.reg file  
(as it "ships" with Pd Extended), that the line just before  
"loadlib1"="libdir" reads

"flags"="
where it should read
"flags"=""

However I had fixed it already, so it doesn't quite explain the fact  
that libdir didn't load..


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Re: [PD] Extended can't load any library except Gem on Windows Vista

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Sounds like 'libdir' isn't being loaded first.  Try reseting your  
registry settings with the included pdsettings.reg file.


.hc

On Mar 7, 2010, at 1:07 PM, Matteo Sisti Sette wrote:

Errata corrige: there is one other library that does load, it is  
"vbap".


And one thing it has in common with Gem is that its folder contains  
a dll file with the same name, namely "vbap.dll". Seems like all  
other libraries don't (though I haven't checked _all_ of them).


So I guess I should add the other directories to path rather than to  
startup?
The very strange thing is that it used to work up to a few days ago  
however...


Matteo Sisti Sette escribió:

Hi,
The short version: I fresh-installed Pd Extended into the default  
location (C:\Program Files\pd) and I get:

cyclone: can't load library
zexy: can't load library
creb: can't load library

and so on for EVERY library except Gem. The strange thing is that  
Gem does load, and it is located in pd/extra just like all other  
libraries. This is really crazy isn't it?

What can be wrong?
The long version:
I had already installed Pd Extended and it used to work fine. It  
was installed in an "unusual" location: "D:/programmi/pd_extended",  
where "programmi" is the italian word for "programs" but it is  
_not_ the default directory for programs in my computer (who speaks  
spanish, not italian).
When I installed it, I had to manually modify the "pd-settings.reg"  
file that adds the libraries to startup, because it uses the wrong  
location for the registry keys (this has nothing to do with the  
path where Pd is installed). After that, I had Pd Extended working  
fine and loading all libraries.
Also, I have Pd Vanilla installed in another directory, "D: 
\programmi\pd". I run it using the "-noprefs" option, because  
otherwise, it would (try to) load the libraries from pd Extended.
Today, misteriously and without (apparently) touching anything, Pd  
Extended stopped working, that is it started giving me "cannot load  
library" messages.
I tried uninstalling and reinstalling it to the same directory with  
no luck. So I uninstalled and reinstalled again, this time to the  
default location C:\Program Files\pd (note disk C which is where  
the OS is installed, and "Program Files" is the actual system  
Program Files directory, which is displayed as "Archivos de  
Programa").
However the result is the same: "cannot load library" for all  
libraries except Gem.
The Gem it is loading is actually the one installed inside the C: 
\Program Files\pd\extra\Gem directory, which is the same path where  
all other libraries are located too. I know it because if I rename  
that gem.dll file, it won't load.

Please help!
thanks
m.



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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Good Morning Puredata

[Husk 00]

Hey Brakolo,
good to see you there ;)

András, the page you linked was the wiki page we use during the first
puredata meeting in italy in april 2007. It was organized by bugslab, an
italian hacklab from Rome. Now we are focused on other activities, like
this:
http://nilin-palestine.org
but still there is people of us working on PD and other free tools for
creativity. The better site for meet the italian PD community is
www.puredata.it
If you are in italy looking for some cool hack space write me ;)
cheers
husk

2010/3/10 András Murányi 

> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 1:29 PM, brankojr  wrote:
>
>> Hi all!
>> I'm brankolo from Turin in Italy.
>> I'm using Pure Data from two years ago, i'm not so expert but i LOVE it.
>>
>> I also working on ITALY Community of Pure Data to expand the use of this
>> software, and to find solution together.
>>
>> I practice expecially in ArtWork-Apps connected to Arduino for sensors and
>> motors.
>>
>> So, i hope to spend good time in this mailinglist, and I wish you have
>> fun.
>>
>> Bye, see you soon.
>>
>> :)
>>
>>
> Bienvenuto Brankolo,
>
> please keep us posted about ITALY Community of Pure Data as there are a few
> people on the list who might be interested - I am keen on Turin-Milano area
> happenings.
> btw do you know these guys? http://puredata.bugslab.net/
>
> Andras
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Re: [PD] GSOC 2010?

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

I'll happily contribute, but since i am 2 for 2 on not getting it, I  
think someone else should lead the charge.  We certainly have a lot of  
material to start with.


.hc

On Mar 10, 2010, at 4:40 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote:


Is there any interest in pushing for Google Summer of Code 2010?

Pd should be sponsored over the plethora of lame open source games.


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[PD] GSOC 2010?

[Dan Wilcox]

Is there any interest in pushing for Google Summer of Code 2010?

Pd should be sponsored over the plethora of lame open source games.


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Re: [PD] reson~ from max in pd

[Björn Lindig]

Thank you Frank! Your information is very useful and interesting. I think, the 
jurney of learning how to make filters has just begun!

Best regards,

Bjoern

Am Mittwoch 10 März 2010 09:09:19 schrieb Frank Barknecht:
> Hallo,
> 
> Björn Lindig hat gesagt: // Björn Lindig wrote:
> > a friend asked me, wether there is a object similar to the [fffb~] in
> > max/msp (a "fast fixed filter bank") in pd. I did not find it instantly
> > so I started to build one after the formula posted in [reson~]s help in
> > max:
> > 
> > y[n] = gain * (x[n] - r * x[n-2]) + c1 * y[n-1] + c2 * y[n-2]
> > 
> > I appended a patch, that I created after this formula. The Problem is,
> > that I would love to klone the max-object, but at the moment I have only
> > inlets for r, c1, c2 and gain. What I need is the math to calculate the
> > values for r, c1, c2 and gain for given center frequency, Q/Bandwith,
> > and gain.
> 
> The equation above is the important base equation for many filters, but in
> practice it is pretty useless. The brains are in how to calculate the
> various parameters given more musical inputs like frequency and
> bandwith/resonance, and normalizing the output volume. Traditionally (i.e.
> since at least CSound times) what is called "reson" is a two-pole-two-zero
> (2nd order) resonating bandpass filter. In Pd an equivalent to equation
> above is a [biquad~] object or alternatively this:
> 
> 
>  [rzero~]
> 
>  [rzero~]
> 
>  [cpole~]
> 
>  [cpole~]
> 
> 
> with suitable transofrmations of the input parameters to get the pole/zero
> coefficients right.
> 
> > I started reading the chapters on time shifts and delays and filters in
> > miller-puckettes book and the book of J. O. Smith. But to be honest, I
> > did not yet understand much of what is writen there. So I thought, there
> > might be someone arround here, who can give me a fast answer, or who can
> > point me into the right direction.
> 
> I think, JOS and MSP are already the right direction, another stop could be
> the book at www.dspguide.com
> 
> > If it is the best to try resonz and resonr (I'm on train building
> > pd-extended, used vanilla before), I'll accept that.
> 
> I believe, resonz is the same as reson~ in Max/MSP. All these resonX things
> differ only in how they normalize the filter for different center
> frequencies. resonr keeps the resonance gain constant, resonz normalizes
> the peak gain:
> http://www.dsprelated.com/dspbooks/filters/Peak_Gain_Versus_Resonance.html
> 
> resonz~ and resonr~ can be build as abstractions, so there's no need to
> install externals just for them:
> http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2008-12/067018.html
> 
> These and some more Pd vanilla filters are also part of the "rj" library:
> http://trac.rjdj.me/browser/trunk/rjlib/rj
> 
> Ciao


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Re: [PD] osx pduino: nothing works

[Ricardo Lameiro]

Derek, sorry if me post seamed to harsh or stupid :) iwas only trying to say
that you should use the 168 or 328 atmegas. If they don't have a programmer,
I found somewhere on the net, that is possible to programm the atmegas using
the arduino board. With little modification,
Sorry again, I didn't wanted to be rude.

Peace :)

On 10 Mar 2010 20:23, "Koray Tahiroglu"  wrote:

Hi Derek,

As you said institutions have their own way of operating when it comes to
upgrading their existing devices, which might even take ages for a single
chip changes, I always find it handy to ask the available equipments list
beforehand for the workshop. I have been using those Arduino boards since
2006 here in my workshops and courses, and each time we made them work fine
based on the student project needs. Last time it was October 2009, without
spending more than 15min :),  they functioned well with Firmata-2.1beta5,
not with StandardFirmata, but the other analog, servo, and simpledigital,
and we had three student projects done with sensors+arduino+pduino at the
end of the workshop.

and yes, we should mention that ATMEGA8 is not good with StandardFirmata,

see you tomorrow ;)

Koray.


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> Hi HC,
>
> thanks for clarification. I will try to find some time to stick it in
> the FLOSS ...




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Re: [PD] osx pduino: nothing works

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

I don't have any ATMEGA8 boards anymore, so I am not in a position to  
maintain that stuff.  Perhaps you could just bundle up the version you  
got working, call it StandardFirmataAtmega8 and post it somewhere?


.hc

On Mar 10, 2010, at 3:58 PM, Derek Holzer wrote:

Once I fixed the baudrate (thx!!!) it works fine. One student has  
trouble with an ATMEGA328 that I will have to troubleshoot tomorrow.


Good idea to make a specific release, or at least label it in some  
way that makes it clear. I know it's ugly to support very old  
hardware, but I think there are a lot of those things out there in  
the world still.


Best,
D.

On 3/10/10 7:03 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:


Keep in mind this is beta software so you were just a beta tester. It
would be great to incorporate your experience into the next release.

Perhaps the best way to support the ATMEGA8 is to post a firmware  
for it

somewhere, like StandardFirmataATMEGA8. It would just be
OldStandardFirmata/StandardFirmataV2_0 renamed to  
StandardFirmataATMEGA8

and with the baud rate of 57600.

What is only a question of the ATMEGA8? Or where there other  
problems?


.hc

On Mar 10, 2010, at 11:48 AM, Derek Holzer wrote:


Hi HC,

thanks for clarification. I will try to find some time to stick it  
in

the FLOSS Manual Pduino chapters later on. I did get the ATMEGA8s
running with the new baudrate, now I have a problem with the  
ATMEG328

but I will deal with that tomorrow.

I tried to get all 12 students using same versions of everything but
you know how hard that can be. What was supposed to be a 10 minute
installation took the entire afternoon, along with questions about
motors, circuits, mechanics and everything else in the middle of
debugging. Not an optimal moment for concentration to fix a  
glitch...

maybe I will stick to hardware-only workshops from now on, computers
are only good for causing ulcers and hairloss!

I landed here Sunday and started the workshop the next morning so I
had no time to investigate what hardware the school had. I told them
they should upgrade the ATMEGAs they have but you know how long that
takes at any kind of institution ;-)

Best from Helsinki!
D.

Quoting Hans-Christoph Steiner :




On Mar 10, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Derek Holzer wrote:


List goofballs aside, I think it would be good to clarify all this
stuff.

The split between the things available on HCs site and what comes
with Arduino is quite confusing. I was only using the ones from HC
to keep the versions matching.


No argument here, its just a matter of finding the time to do it.  
With

Firmata 2.1 the baudrate should be totally stable (that's the big
change between 2.0 and 2.1), and further updates shouldn't cause
issues. I'm working on finalizing the Pduino 0.5 release.


The Arduino-provided Firmata stuff does not contain the Pd objects
themselves, and if the Pd objects must match certain Firmata  
then it
would be good to make a note of that somewhere... maybe on the  
site

where the Pd stuff is downloaded?


For the latest Pduino, either use the included one, or the one in
Arduino 0018.


And besides that, if some Firmata says it supports ATMEGA8 then I
believe what it says. I spent half of yesterday smashing my face
against the keyboards of 12 students, trying to teach them  
something
that was broken, and the reason it was broken was not  
documented. So

yes I get a bit cranky!


Firmata is an Arduino library which fully supports the ATMEGA8.
StandardFirmata is a firmware that uses the Firmata library that  
is too
big for the ATMEGA8. As a teacher, I would highly recommend  
avoiding

the ATMEGA8, they are not well supported by the Arduino community.

.hc



Peace out dudes,
D.


2010/3/10 Derek Holzer 

Where do I find the matching Pd Firmata objects for the  
Firmata in

Arduino
18 then?

Maybe all of this could be a bit better documented? ;-)










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Re: [PD] osx pduino: nothing works

[Derek Holzer]

Once I fixed the baudrate (thx!!!) it works fine. One student has 
trouble with an ATMEGA328 that I will have to troubleshoot tomorrow.


Good idea to make a specific release, or at least label it in some way 
that makes it clear. I know it's ugly to support very old hardware, but 
I think there are a lot of those things out there in the world still.


Best,
D.

On 3/10/10 7:03 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:


Keep in mind this is beta software so you were just a beta tester. It
would be great to incorporate your experience into the next release.

Perhaps the best way to support the ATMEGA8 is to post a firmware for it
somewhere, like StandardFirmataATMEGA8. It would just be
OldStandardFirmata/StandardFirmataV2_0 renamed to StandardFirmataATMEGA8
and with the baud rate of 57600.

What is only a question of the ATMEGA8? Or where there other problems?

.hc

On Mar 10, 2010, at 11:48 AM, Derek Holzer wrote:


Hi HC,

thanks for clarification. I will try to find some time to stick it in
the FLOSS Manual Pduino chapters later on. I did get the ATMEGA8s
running with the new baudrate, now I have a problem with the ATMEG328
but I will deal with that tomorrow.

I tried to get all 12 students using same versions of everything but
you know how hard that can be. What was supposed to be a 10 minute
installation took the entire afternoon, along with questions about
motors, circuits, mechanics and everything else in the middle of
debugging. Not an optimal moment for concentration to fix a glitch...
maybe I will stick to hardware-only workshops from now on, computers
are only good for causing ulcers and hairloss!

I landed here Sunday and started the workshop the next morning so I
had no time to investigate what hardware the school had. I told them
they should upgrade the ATMEGAs they have but you know how long that
takes at any kind of institution ;-)

Best from Helsinki!
D.

Quoting Hans-Christoph Steiner :




On Mar 10, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Derek Holzer wrote:


List goofballs aside, I think it would be good to clarify all this
stuff.

The split between the things available on HCs site and what comes
with Arduino is quite confusing. I was only using the ones from HC
to keep the versions matching.


No argument here, its just a matter of finding the time to do it. With
Firmata 2.1 the baudrate should be totally stable (that's the big
change between 2.0 and 2.1), and further updates shouldn't cause
issues. I'm working on finalizing the Pduino 0.5 release.


The Arduino-provided Firmata stuff does not contain the Pd objects
themselves, and if the Pd objects must match certain Firmata then it
would be good to make a note of that somewhere... maybe on the site
where the Pd stuff is downloaded?


For the latest Pduino, either use the included one, or the one in
Arduino 0018.


And besides that, if some Firmata says it supports ATMEGA8 then I
believe what it says. I spent half of yesterday smashing my face
against the keyboards of 12 students, trying to teach them something
that was broken, and the reason it was broken was not documented. So
yes I get a bit cranky!


Firmata is an Arduino library which fully supports the ATMEGA8.
StandardFirmata is a firmware that uses the Firmata library that is too
big for the ATMEGA8. As a teacher, I would highly recommend avoiding
the ATMEGA8, they are not well supported by the Arduino community.

.hc



Peace out dudes,
D.


2010/3/10 Derek Holzer 


Where do I find the matching Pd Firmata objects for the Firmata in
Arduino
18 then?

Maybe all of this could be a bit better documented? ;-)










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Re: [PD] pd-ext and Ubuntu

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

liblame0 is not DFSG free because it is a patented algorithm in a  
number of countries, like the US and Germany.  That's why Debian and  
GnuSense don't distribute it.  Ubuntu is probably based in a country  
where that patent isn't valid, so they choose to include it.


hc

On Mar 8, 2010, at 2:23 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:


Hello,
I've got a box with gNewSense 2.3-deltah which I've read is  
based on
Ubuntu Hardy.  When I try to install the package from the download  
page, or
install one of the nightly builds, I get an error about a missing  
dependency

liblame0.  I saw an "ugly hack" listed here:

http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2008-09/065299.html

It works but the package is still listed as broken in Synaptic.   
Does this

happen for other people on Hardy or am I doing something wrong?

Thanks,
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Re: [PD] Good Morning Puredata

[Marco Donnarumma]

Hey Brankolo, welcome!
good to see you here..
cheers

p.s. pay attention not to post to Pd-announce, unless you have news about
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Re: [PD] reson~ from max in pd

[Björn Lindig]

O.k. that helps a lot! Thanks.

I'll read on, for the math thing. If anybody has any suggestions, how to solve 
the problem, it would be great. I got curious about this stuff and am a 
litttle impatiant to know how it works ...

Am Mittwoch 10 März 2010 00:12:30 schrieben Sie:
> Check the 'cyclone' lib, it has Max clones.  I think there is at least
> one other reson~ included in Pd-extended.
> 
> .hc
> 
> On Mar 9, 2010, at 5:08 PM, Björn Lindig wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > a friend asked me, wether there is a object similar to the [fffb~]
> > in max/msp
> > (a "fast fixed filter bank") in pd. I did not find it instantly so I
> > started
> > to build one after the formula posted in [reson~]s help in max:
> > 
> > y[n] = gain * (x[n] - r * x[n-2]) + c1 * y[n-1] + c2 * y[n-2]
> > 
> > I appended a patch, that I created after this formula. The Problem
> > is, that I
> > would love to klone the max-object, but at the moment I have only
> > inlets for
> > r, c1, c2 and gain. What I need is the math to calculate the values
> > for r, c1,
> > c2 and gain for given center frequency, Q/Bandwith, and gain.
> > 
> > I started reading the chapters on time shifts and delays and filters
> > in
> > miller-puckettes book and the book of J. O. Smith. But to be honest,
> > I did not
> > yet understand much of what is writen there. So I thought, there
> > might be
> > someone arround here, who can give me a fast answer, or who can
> > point me into
> > the right direction.
> > 
> > If it is the best to try resonz and resonr (I'm on train building pd-
> > extended,
> > used vanilla before), I'll accept that. On the other hand, I would
> > be realy
> > curious about the math that is used to solve this problem.
> > 
> > Thank you very much!
> > 
> > Bjoern
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > #N canvas 611 38 615 510 10;
> > #X obj 105 -13 inlet~;
> > #X obj 105 394 outlet~;
> > #X obj 153 218 delwrite~ del3;
> > #X obj 125 348 delwrite~ del2;
> > #X obj 105 121 +~;
> > #X obj 104 239 +~;
> > #X obj 104 320 +~;
> > #X obj 125 99 *~;
> > #X obj 122 218 *~;
> > #X obj 138 299 *~;
> > #X obj 239 -10 inlet~;
> > #X text 239 -27 r;
> > #X obj 307 -10 inlet~;
> > #X obj 383 -7 inlet~;
> > #X text 303 -33 c1;
> > #X text 389 -26 c2;
> > #X obj 124 14 delwrite~ del1 1;
> > #X obj 125 78 delread~ del1;
> > #X obj 123 198 delread~ del2 1;
> > #X obj 138 278 delread~ del3 1;
> > #X obj 427 134 samplerate~;
> > #X msg 387 134 1;
> > #X obj 387 155 /;
> > #X obj 387 91 loadbang;
> > #X floatatom 387 198 0 0 0 0 - - -;
> > #X obj 387 112 t b b;
> > #X obj 387 176 * 1000;
> > #X obj 387 221 s one_sample;
> > #X obj 125 34 r one_sample;
> > #X obj 125 55 * 2;
> > #X obj 131 177 r one_sample;
> > #X obj 147 254 r one_sample;
> > #X obj 105 150 *~;
> > #X obj 455 -4 inlet~;
> > #X text 456 -22 gain;
> > #X connect 0 0 4 0;
> > #X connect 0 0 16 0;
> > #X connect 4 0 32 0;
> > #X connect 5 0 6 0;
> > #X connect 6 0 1 0;
> > #X connect 6 0 3 0;
> > #X connect 7 0 4 1;
> > #X connect 8 0 5 1;
> > #X connect 9 0 6 1;
> > #X connect 10 0 7 1;
> > #X connect 12 0 8 1;
> > #X connect 13 0 9 1;
> > #X connect 17 0 7 0;
> > #X connect 18 0 8 0;
> > #X connect 18 0 2 0;
> > #X connect 19 0 9 0;
> > #X connect 20 0 22 1;
> > #X connect 21 0 22 0;
> > #X connect 22 0 26 0;
> > #X connect 23 0 25 0;
> > #X connect 24 0 27 0;
> > #X connect 25 0 21 0;
> > #X connect 25 1 20 0;
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> > #X connect 28 0 29 0;
> > #X connect 29 0 17 0;
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Re: [PD] osx pduino: nothing works

[Koray Tahiroglu]

Hi Derek,

As you said institutions have their own way of operating when it comes to 
upgrading their existing devices, which might even take ages for a single chip 
changes, I always find it handy to ask the available equipments list beforehand 
for the workshop. I have been using those Arduino boards since 2006 here in my 
workshops and courses, and each time we made them work fine based on the 
student project needs. Last time it was October 2009, without spending more 
than 15min :),  they functioned well with Firmata-2.1beta5, not with 
StandardFirmata, but the other analog, servo, and simpledigital, and we had 
three student projects done with sensors+arduino+pduino at the end of the 
workshop.

and yes, we should mention that ATMEGA8 is not good with StandardFirmata,

see you tomorrow ;)

Koray.


On Mar 10, 2010, at 6:57 PM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote:

> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 17:48:12 +0100
> From: Derek Holzer 
> Subject: Re: [PD] osx pduino: nothing works
> To: Hans-Christoph Steiner 
> Cc: pd-list 
> Message-ID: <20100310174812.57clvr0ln4880...@webmail.ideeel.nl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes";
>   format="flowed"
> 
> Hi HC,
> 
> thanks for clarification. I will try to find some time to stick it in  
> the FLOSS Manual Pduino chapters later on. I did get the ATMEGA8s  
> running with the new baudrate, now I have a problem with the ATMEG328  
> but I will deal with that tomorrow.
> 
> I tried to get all 12 students using same versions of everything but  
> you know how hard that can be. What was supposed to be a 10 minute  
> installation took the entire afternoon, along with questions about  
> motors, circuits, mechanics and everything else in the middle of  
> debugging. Not an optimal moment for concentration to fix a glitch...  
> maybe I will stick to hardware-only workshops from now on, computers  
> are only good for causing ulcers and hairloss!
> 
> I landed here Sunday and started the workshop the next morning so I  
> had no time to investigate what hardware the school had. I told them  
> they should upgrade the ATMEGAs they have but you know how long that  
> takes at any kind of institution ;-)
> 
> Best from Helsinki!
> D.



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Re: [PD] osx pduino: nothing works

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Keep in mind this is beta software so you were just a beta tester.  It  
would be great to incorporate your experience into the next release.


Perhaps the best way to support the ATMEGA8 is to post a firmware for  
it somewhere, like StandardFirmataATMEGA8.  It would just be  
OldStandardFirmata/StandardFirmataV2_0 renamed to  
StandardFirmataATMEGA8 and with the baud rate of 57600.


What is only a question of the ATMEGA8? Or where there other problems?

.hc

On Mar 10, 2010, at 11:48 AM, Derek Holzer wrote:


Hi HC,

thanks for clarification. I will try to find some time to stick it  
in the FLOSS Manual Pduino chapters later on. I did get the ATMEGA8s  
running with the new baudrate, now I have a problem with the  
ATMEG328 but I will deal with that tomorrow.


I tried to get all 12 students using same versions of everything but  
you know how hard that can be. What was supposed to be a 10 minute  
installation took the entire afternoon, along with questions about  
motors, circuits, mechanics and everything else in the middle of  
debugging. Not an optimal moment for concentration to fix a  
glitch... maybe I will stick to hardware-only workshops from now on,  
computers are only good for causing ulcers and hairloss!


I landed here Sunday and started the workshop the next morning so I  
had no time to investigate what hardware the school had. I told them  
they should upgrade the ATMEGAs they have but you know how long that  
takes at any kind of institution ;-)


Best from Helsinki!
D.

Quoting Hans-Christoph Steiner :




On Mar 10, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Derek Holzer wrote:

List goofballs aside, I think it would be good to clarify all this  
stuff.


The split between the things available on HCs site and what comes   
with Arduino is quite confusing. I was only using the ones from  
HC  to keep the versions matching.


No argument here, its just a matter of finding the time to do it.   
With

Firmata 2.1 the baudrate should be totally stable (that's the big
change between 2.0 and 2.1), and further updates shouldn't cause
issues.  I'm working on finalizing the Pduino 0.5 release.

The Arduino-provided Firmata stuff does not contain the Pd  
objects  themselves, and if the Pd objects must match certain  
Firmata then  it would be good to make a note of that somewhere...  
maybe on the  site where the Pd stuff is downloaded?


For the latest Pduino, either use the included one, or the one in
Arduino 0018.

And besides that, if some Firmata says it supports ATMEGA8 then I   
believe what it says. I spent half of yesterday smashing my face   
against the keyboards of 12 students, trying to teach them   
something that was broken, and the reason it was broken was not   
documented. So yes I get a bit cranky!


Firmata is an Arduino library which fully supports the ATMEGA8.
StandardFirmata is a firmware that uses the Firmata library that is  
too

big for the ATMEGA8.  As a teacher, I would highly recommend avoiding
the ATMEGA8, they are not well supported by the Arduino community.

.hc



Peace out dudes,
D.


2010/3/10 Derek Holzer 

Where do I find the matching Pd Firmata objects for the Firmata  
in Arduino

18 then?

Maybe all of this could be a bit better documented? ;-)









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Re: [PD] diff frame from previous frame with Gem

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Ah, ok, so then very nice!

.hc

On Mar 10, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Max wrote:

pix_delay actually works exactly that way. its not milliseconds,  
it's frames.

have a look at the helppatch fo pix_delay

m.

Am 10.03.2010 um 17:36 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner:



Your patch is pretty simple, but it seems to be that the logic of  
this operation should be based off of the frame clock rather than a  
delay.  That way, the patch would work no matter the frame rate,  
for example.


.hc

On Mar 10, 2010, at 11:30 AM, Max wrote:


hi hans,

why so complicated? just use [pix_delay 2] and [pix_separator] to  
feed the [pix_diff].


<05a-difference.pd>

taken from
http://web.uni-weimar.de/medien/wiki/Bewegungsmelder

Am 03.03.2010 um 23:39 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner:



I am trying to make a simple patch where the current video frame  
is [pix_diff]'ed against the previous video frame.  I can get it  
going manually, but I would like it to happen every frame.  I  
think I got close, but did manage to create a bizarre effect:




.hc



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Re: [PD] Fontsizes

[meino . cramer]

I am on Linux... "recent build" means in case of overlays for Gentoo:
Wait

Best regards,
mcc


Jonathan Wilkes  [10-03-10 17:32]:
> In winxp:
> Browser-- fine.  Font menu, console buttons, iemgui properties dialogue, 
> gatom properties dialogue, canvas dialogue, scalar dialogue buttons, "Put" 
> menu array dialogue, find dialogue, "File" menu message-- still tiny.
> 
> -Jonathan
> 
> --- On Wed, 3/10/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner  wrote:
> 
> > From: Hans-Christoph Steiner 
> > Subject: Re: [PD] Fontsizes
> > To: "Jonathan Wilkes" 
> > Cc: pd-list@iem.at, meino.cra...@gmx.de
> > Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 3:33 AM
> > 
> > I think I fixed this recently, try a recent build.
> > 
> > .hc
> > 
> > On Feb 26, 2010, at 11:30 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
> > 
> > > Same problem with small fonts on winxp with Pd version
> > 0.42.5-extended
> > > 20100217 (audio menu, MIDI menu, properties dialogue,
> > browser).
> > >
> > > -Jonathan
> > >
> > > --- On Sat, 2/27/10, meino.cra...@gmx.de
> > 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> From: meino.cra...@gmx.de
> > 
> > >> Subject: [PD] Fontsizes
> > >> To: pd-list@iem.at
> > >> Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 5:15 AM
> > >>
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> I am still unsure, whether I have installed
> > puredata
> > >> correctly...
> > >> Being on Gentoo-Linux, which I periodically
> > update, I use a
> > >> so
> > >> called overlay especially made for gentoo to
> > install
> > >> pd-extended.
> > >>
> > >> When I start pd, the initial dialog (that one with
> > the
> > >> console) came
> > >> up with a microscopic font size.
> > >>
> > >> Loading any patch also results in dialog, which
> > came up
> > >> with that
> > >> too small font. Now I am able to change it to a
> > bigger
> > >> size, which
> > >> often mess up the laout of that patch.
> > >>
> > >> I tried to set the font size globally in
> > ~/.pdsettings,
> > >> which does not
> > >> work, though pd repports in "startup flags" my
> > setting. I
> > >> also
> > >> can set to that fontsize by hand.
> > >>
> > >> When starting pd from the command line it
> > reports:
> > >> Pd version 0.41-4extended
> > >> compiled 14:14:02 Feb 21 2010
> > >> port 5401
> > >> TCL_LIBRARY="/usr/lib/pd/tcl/library"
> > >> TK_LIBRARY="/usr/lib/pd/tk/library"
> > >>
> > >> "/usr/lib/pd/bin/pd-gui" 5401
> > >> Waiting for connection request...
> > >> ... connected
> > >>
> > >> Is there any way to increase the complete
> > pd-display by a
> > >> factor to
> > >> make things readable?
> > >>
> > >> Any othe hint?
> > >>
> > >> Thank you very much in advance for any help! :)
> > >>
> > >> Have a nice weekend!
> > >> Best regards,
> > >> mcc
> > >>
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Re: [PD] diff frame from previous frame with Gem

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

On 2010-03-10 17:36, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> 
> Your patch is pretty simple, but it seems to be that the logic of this
> operation should be based off of the frame clock rather than a delay. 

[pix_delay] is a tap-delay (like z~), thus you give it the "samples"
(frames) to delay, rather than the time (e.g. [vd~])

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Good Morning Puredata

[András Murányi]

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 1:29 PM, brankojr  wrote:

> Hi all!
> I'm brankolo from Turin in Italy.
> I'm using Pure Data from two years ago, i'm not so expert but i LOVE it.
>
> I also working on ITALY Community of Pure Data to expand the use of this
> software, and to find solution together.
>
> I practice expecially in ArtWork-Apps connected to Arduino for sensors and
> motors.
>
> So, i hope to spend good time in this mailinglist, and I wish you have fun.
>
> Bye, see you soon.
>
> :)
>
>
Bienvenuto Brankolo,

please keep us posted about ITALY Community of Pure Data as there are a few
people on the list who might be interested - I am keen on Turin-Milano area
happenings.
btw do you know these guys? http://puredata.bugslab.net/

Andras
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Re: [PD] diff frame from previous frame with Gem

[Max]

pix_delay actually works exactly that way. its not milliseconds, it's frames.
have a look at the helppatch fo pix_delay

m.

Am 10.03.2010 um 17:36 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner:

> 
> Your patch is pretty simple, but it seems to be that the logic of this 
> operation should be based off of the frame clock rather than a delay.  That 
> way, the patch would work no matter the frame rate, for example.
> 
> .hc
> 
> On Mar 10, 2010, at 11:30 AM, Max wrote:
> 
>> hi hans,
>> 
>> why so complicated? just use [pix_delay 2] and [pix_separator] to feed the 
>> [pix_diff].
>> 
>> <05a-difference.pd>
>> 
>> taken from
>> http://web.uni-weimar.de/medien/wiki/Bewegungsmelder
>> 
>> Am 03.03.2010 um 23:39 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner:
>> 
>>> 
>>> I am trying to make a simple patch where the current video frame is 
>>> [pix_diff]'ed against the previous video frame.  I can get it going 
>>> manually, but I would like it to happen every frame.  I think I got close, 
>>> but did manage to create a bizarre effect:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> .hc
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my 
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Re: [PD] diff frame from previous frame with Gem

[Max]

hi hans,

why so complicated? just use [pix_delay 2] and [pix_separator] to feed the 
[pix_diff].



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taken from
http://web.uni-weimar.de/medien/wiki/Bewegungsmelder

Am 03.03.2010 um 23:39 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner:

> 
> I am trying to make a simple patch where the current video frame is 
> [pix_diff]'ed against the previous video frame.  I can get it going manually, 
> but I would like it to happen every frame.  I think I got close, but did 
> manage to create a bizarre effect:
> 
> 
> 
> .hc
> 
> 
> 
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> wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my 
> telephone."  --Bjarne Stroustrup (creator of C++)
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Re: [PD] osx pduino: nothing works

[Derek Holzer]

Hi HC,

thanks for clarification. I will try to find some time to stick it in  
the FLOSS Manual Pduino chapters later on. I did get the ATMEGA8s  
running with the new baudrate, now I have a problem with the ATMEG328  
but I will deal with that tomorrow.


I tried to get all 12 students using same versions of everything but  
you know how hard that can be. What was supposed to be a 10 minute  
installation took the entire afternoon, along with questions about  
motors, circuits, mechanics and everything else in the middle of  
debugging. Not an optimal moment for concentration to fix a glitch...  
maybe I will stick to hardware-only workshops from now on, computers  
are only good for causing ulcers and hairloss!


I landed here Sunday and started the workshop the next morning so I  
had no time to investigate what hardware the school had. I told them  
they should upgrade the ATMEGAs they have but you know how long that  
takes at any kind of institution ;-)


Best from Helsinki!
D.

Quoting Hans-Christoph Steiner :




On Mar 10, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Derek Holzer wrote:


List goofballs aside, I think it would be good to clarify all this stuff.

The split between the things available on HCs site and what comes   
with Arduino is quite confusing. I was only using the ones from HC   
to keep the versions matching.


No argument here, its just a matter of finding the time to do it.  With
Firmata 2.1 the baudrate should be totally stable (that's the big
change between 2.0 and 2.1), and further updates shouldn't cause
issues.  I'm working on finalizing the Pduino 0.5 release.

The Arduino-provided Firmata stuff does not contain the Pd objects   
themselves, and if the Pd objects must match certain Firmata then   
it would be good to make a note of that somewhere... maybe on the   
site where the Pd stuff is downloaded?


For the latest Pduino, either use the included one, or the one in
Arduino 0018.

And besides that, if some Firmata says it supports ATMEGA8 then I   
believe what it says. I spent half of yesterday smashing my face   
against the keyboards of 12 students, trying to teach them   
something that was broken, and the reason it was broken was not   
documented. So yes I get a bit cranky!


Firmata is an Arduino library which fully supports the ATMEGA8.
StandardFirmata is a firmware that uses the Firmata library that is too
big for the ATMEGA8.  As a teacher, I would highly recommend avoiding
the ATMEGA8, they are not well supported by the Arduino community.

.hc



Peace out dudes,
D.


2010/3/10 Derek Holzer 


Where do I find the matching Pd Firmata objects for the Firmata in Arduino
18 then?

Maybe all of this could be a bit better documented? ;-)









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Re: [PD] diff frame from previous frame with Gem

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Your patch is pretty simple, but it seems to be that the logic of this  
operation should be based off of the frame clock rather than a delay.   
That way, the patch would work no matter the frame rate, for example.


.hc

On Mar 10, 2010, at 11:30 AM, Max wrote:


hi hans,

why so complicated? just use [pix_delay 2] and [pix_separator] to  
feed the [pix_diff].


<05a-difference.pd>

taken from
http://web.uni-weimar.de/medien/wiki/Bewegungsmelder

Am 03.03.2010 um 23:39 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner:



I am trying to make a simple patch where the current video frame is  
[pix_diff]'ed against the previous video frame.  I can get it going  
manually, but I would like it to happen every frame.  I think I got  
close, but did manage to create a bizarre effect:




.hc



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Re: [PD] osx pduino: nothing works

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Mar 10, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Derek Holzer wrote:

List goofballs aside, I think it would be good to clarify all this  
stuff.


The split between the things available on HCs site and what comes  
with Arduino is quite confusing. I was only using the ones from HC  
to keep the versions matching.


No argument here, its just a matter of finding the time to do it.   
With Firmata 2.1 the baudrate should be totally stable (that's the big  
change between 2.0 and 2.1), and further updates shouldn't cause  
issues.  I'm working on finalizing the Pduino 0.5 release.


The Arduino-provided Firmata stuff does not contain the Pd objects  
themselves, and if the Pd objects must match certain Firmata then it  
would be good to make a note of that somewhere... maybe on the site  
where the Pd stuff is downloaded?


For the latest Pduino, either use the included one, or the one in  
Arduino 0018.


And besides that, if some Firmata says it supports ATMEGA8 then I  
believe what it says. I spent half of yesterday smashing my face  
against the keyboards of 12 students, trying to teach them something  
that was broken, and the reason it was broken was not documented. So  
yes I get a bit cranky!


Firmata is an Arduino library which fully supports the ATMEGA8.   
StandardFirmata is a firmware that uses the Firmata library that is  
too big for the ATMEGA8.  As a teacher, I would highly recommend  
avoiding the ATMEGA8, they are not well supported by the Arduino  
community.


.hc



Peace out dudes,
D.


2010/3/10 Derek Holzer 

Where do I find the matching Pd Firmata objects for the Firmata in  
Arduino

18 then?

Maybe all of this could be a bit better documented? ;-)









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Re: [PD] osx pduino: nothing works

[Derek Holzer]

List goofballs aside, I think it would be good to clarify all this stuff.

The split between the things available on HCs site and what comes with  
Arduino is quite confusing. I was only using the ones from HC to keep  
the versions matching.


The Arduino-provided Firmata stuff does not contain the Pd objects  
themselves, and if the Pd objects must match certain Firmata then it  
would be good to make a note of that somewhere... maybe on the site  
where the Pd stuff is downloaded?


And besides that, if some Firmata says it supports ATMEGA8 then I  
believe what it says. I spent half of yesterday smashing my face  
against the keyboards of 12 students, trying to teach them something  
that was broken, and the reason it was broken was not documented. So  
yes I get a bit cranky!


Peace out dudes,
D.


2010/3/10 Derek Holzer 


Where do I find the matching Pd Firmata objects for the Firmata in Arduino
18 then?

Maybe all of this could be a bit better documented? ;-)




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Re: [PD] gridflow on windows

[dmotd]

hello matteo, 

its safe to ignore the pddp* messages, pddp is a series of
objects that make the internal documentation a little more
user friendly when interacting with the outside world (ie
internet URLS). 

you're right it's not part of gridflow, but i think they
are generally packaged with pd-extended. it wont effect the
usability of gridflow, or its documentation to not have
these objects, so don't worry!

cheers,
dmotd

Matteo Sisti Sette wrote:
> > hello, in gridflow/doc/index.pd there a start for learning
> > many objects
>
> Thank you for the hint.
> However, the point was that the [pddp_open] object (or abstraction?)  
> used in the tutorial patch included in gridflow fails to create, so  
> either the help patch relies on an object that is not part of Pd  
> Extended and is not distributed with GridFlow, or there is something  
> wrong with my installation...
>
>
> - Mail Original -
> De: "pvallet" 
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> Envoy?: Lundi 8 Mars 2010 19h43:20 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne  
> / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne
> Objet: Re: [PD] gridflow on windows
>
> Pddp is the PureData Documentation Project
> i'm not using it so i don't know much about it, but you can probably
> download a package from the net
>
> Greetings,
> p.
>
> Matteo Sisti Sette a ?crit :
> > > Oh sh##,
> > > I see it needs Pd Extented. I was trying it with Pd Vanilla.
> > >
> > > Maybe it would be a good idea to mention it in the installation readme
> > > and/or home page, or is it obvious?
> > >
> > > It seems it works for the moment. However, in the tutorial intro
> > > (gf_tutorial_intro.pd) there are a lot of [pddp_open] objects that
> > > cannot create.
> > >
> > > What is pddp_open? Where can I get it?
> > >
> > > thanks
> > > m.
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Re: [PD] osx pduino: nothing works

[Derek Holzer]

Yes and merry christmas to you to you too Ricardo. Google up Pure Data  
FLOSS Manual if you would like to see how much I complain and how  
little I document...


Kids these days..jz..

D


Quoting Ricardo Lameiro :


Man, just change chip. Use the 168 or the 328. and stop complaining, or use
google then. people told you what to do, now you should try it. this is open
if you want to help document it, so please do.






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Re: [PD] image grid in GEM

[Ben Baker-Smith]

[folderpanel] is a pd-extended object. i believe it's a part of the
Tof library. for some reason, i always have to add the Tof library
manually (in the startup paths menu) even though it comes packaged
with pd-extended.

basically, it acts like [openpanel] but allows you to select a folder
instead of a file. if you can't get it working you can just use a
message with the full path to the folder in place of [folderpanel].

-ben

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 2:42 AM,   wrote:
> Hi Ben,
> tried around.- Is [folderpanel] an object of Pd-extended ? Or did you mean
> [openpanel] ?
>
> fraenk
>
>
> Zitat von Ben Baker-Smith :
>
>> You could use [folderpanel] to [folder_list] to [msgfile] and then
>> read filenames from [msgfile] as you need them.
>> See the attached example.
>>
>> -Ben
>>
>>
>>> Hi Ben,
>>> great work your patch.- - But do you think, that I could keep the images
>>> dynamic and take always new images ? The images would be always in the
>>> same folder, incremented by one: image 20, image 21, ...
>>> thanks !
>>> fraenk
>>
>> B. Bogart schrieb:
>>>
>>> Hi Frank,
>>>
>>> Use "rectangle", not pix_draw (its slow)
>>>
>>> If you can put images in a pix_buffer it'll be really fast.
>>>
>>> Here is a 3x3 grid of images in gem (with lots of extra complexity)
>>>
>>> http://www.ekran.org/pd/patches/gem-image-grid.tgz
>>>
>>> ..b..
>>>
>>> Fr?nk Zimmer wrote:

 Hi,
 I did an image grid in Processing.- Every 10sec a routine is looking
 images in a folder and displays them in an image grid of 8x8 images.
 The Processing sketch does not run very stable, so I would like to
 know , if already somebody did try this in Pd.- Is there a more
 clever way, than using [pix_draw] and [translate] for this?
 thanks.-
 best, fraenk
>>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [PD] osx pduino: nothing works

[Ricardo Lameiro]

Man, just change chip. Use the 168 or the 328. and stop complaining, or use
google then. people told you what to do, now you should try it. this is open
if you want to help document it, so please do.


2010/3/10 Derek Holzer 

> Where do I find the matching Pd Firmata objects for the Firmata in Arduino
> 18 then?
>
> Maybe all of this could be a bit better documented? ;-)
>
> D.
>
> On 3/10/10 1:17 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>
>  The vesrion of Firmata included in Arduino 0018 is the best one, but the
>> one in Pduino-0.5beta6 zip should be fine too. OldStandardFirmata ==
>> StandardFirmataV2_0
>>
>
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Re: [PD] gridflow on windows

[Matteo Sisti Sette]

> hello, in gridflow/doc/index.pd there a start for learning
> many objects

Thank you for the hint.
However, the point was that the [pddp_open] object (or abstraction?) 
used in the tutorial patch included in gridflow fails to create, so 
either the help patch relies on an object that is not part of Pd 
Extended and is not distributed with GridFlow, or there is something 
wrong with my installation...



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Objet: Re: [PD] gridflow on windows

Pddp is the PureData Documentation Project
i'm not using it so i don't know much about it, but you can probably
download a package from the net

Greetings,
p.

Matteo Sisti Sette a ?crit :
> > Oh sh##,
> > I see it needs Pd Extented. I was trying it with Pd Vanilla.
> >
> > Maybe it would be a good idea to mention it in the installation readme
> > and/or home page, or is it obvious?
> >
> > It seems it works for the moment. However, in the tutorial intro
> > (gf_tutorial_intro.pd) there are a lot of [pddp_open] objects that
> > cannot create.
> >
> > What is pddp_open? Where can I get it?
> >
> > thanks
> > m.
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[PD] [PD-announce] Good Morning Puredata

[brankojr]

Hi all!
I'm brankolo from Turin in Italy.
I'm using Pure Data from two years ago, i'm not so expert but i LOVE it.

I also working on ITALY Community of Pure Data to expand the use of this
software, and to find solution together.

I practice expecially in ArtWork-Apps connected to Arduino for sensors and
motors.

So, i hope to spend good time in this mailinglist, and I wish you have fun.

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Re: [PD] [print]

[Marco Donnarumma]

Hi Matteo,
here doesn't happen neither, I'm using the same Pd-ext version of yours,
i.e. 0.42.5-extended-20100127 on Ubuntu Jaunty.



> Hmm, doesn't happen for me with Pd version 0.42.5-extended-20100224
>
> .hc
>
> On Feb 23, 2010, at 10:43 AM, Matteo Sisti Sette wrote:
>
> > Jonathan wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >  I'm using Pd version 0.42.5-extended-20100217 and see that an
> > > implicit float message is made explicit (e.g., "1" becomes "float
> > 1")
> > > by the [print] object.  Is the same behavior going to be done for
> > > implicit lists?
> >
> > I don't know the answer to your question, but this doesn't happen in
> > Vanilla 0.42.5.
> > Is this an _intentional_ change introduced in Extended?
>
>


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Re: [PD] image grid in GEM

[fz]

Hi Ben,
tried around.- Is [folderpanel] an object of Pd-extended ? Or did you  
mean [openpanel] ?


fraenk


Zitat von Ben Baker-Smith :


You could use [folderpanel] to [folder_list] to [msgfile] and then
read filenames from [msgfile] as you need them.
See the attached example.

-Ben



Hi Ben,
great work your patch.- - But do you think, that I could keep the images
dynamic and take always new images ? The images would be always in the
same folder, incremented by one: image 20, image 21, ...
thanks !
fraenk


B. Bogart schrieb:

Hi Frank,

Use "rectangle", not pix_draw (its slow)

If you can put images in a pix_buffer it'll be really fast.

Here is a 3x3 grid of images in gem (with lots of extra complexity)

http://www.ekran.org/pd/patches/gem-image-grid.tgz

..b..

Fr?nk Zimmer wrote:

Hi,
I did an image grid in Processing.- Every 10sec a routine is looking
images in a folder and displays them in an image grid of 8x8 images.
The Processing sketch does not run very stable, so I would like to
know , if already somebody did try this in Pd.- Is there a more
clever way, than using [pix_draw] and [translate] for this?
thanks.-
best, fraenk







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Re: [PD] gem framebuffer question

[erich]

hi,

found the problem.
i had to give a suitable |perspec( message to gemframebuffer
so the whole texture would appear on the square.

best

erich
  


On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 16:17 +0200, erich wrote:
> hello,
> 
> i am having a problem with inserting gemframebuffer in the right way 
> in the attached patch. 
> 
> as you can see i try to buffer the texture on the big rectangle and
> put it on a smaller one. the only way i could get a buffer image was
> to put it in parallel to the a-branch of |t b a| which seems odd to 
> me. furthermore the produced texture is just showing a segment of the
> whole 1600 600. what am i doing wrong ?
>  
> thank you for your help.
> 
> best
> 
> erich
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [PD] reson~ from max in pd

[Frank Barknecht]

Hallo,
Björn Lindig hat gesagt: // Björn Lindig wrote:

> a friend asked me, wether there is a object similar to the [fffb~] in max/msp 
> (a "fast fixed filter bank") in pd. I did not find it instantly so I started 
> to build one after the formula posted in [reson~]s help in max:
> 
> y[n] = gain * (x[n] - r * x[n-2]) + c1 * y[n-1] + c2 * y[n-2]
> 
> I appended a patch, that I created after this formula. The Problem is, that I 
> would love to klone the max-object, but at the moment I have only inlets for 
> r, c1, c2 and gain. What I need is the math to calculate the values for r, 
> c1, 
> c2 and gain for given center frequency, Q/Bandwith, and gain. 

The equation above is the important base equation for many filters, but in
practice it is pretty useless. The brains are in how to calculate the various
parameters given more musical inputs like frequency and bandwith/resonance, and
normalizing the output volume. Traditionally (i.e. since at least CSound times)
what is called "reson" is a two-pole-two-zero (2nd order) resonating bandpass
filter. In Pd an equivalent to equation above is a [biquad~] object or
alternatively this:

 |
 [rzero~]
 |
 [rzero~]
 |
 [cpole~]
 |
 [cpole~]
 |
 
with suitable transofrmations of the input parameters to get the pole/zero
coefficients right. 

> I started reading the chapters on time shifts and delays and filters in 
> miller-puckettes book and the book of J. O. Smith. But to be honest, I did 
> not 
> yet understand much of what is writen there. So I thought, there might be 
> someone arround here, who can give me a fast answer, or who can point me into 
> the right direction. 

I think, JOS and MSP are already the right direction, another stop could be the
book at www.dspguide.com

> If it is the best to try resonz and resonr (I'm on train building 
> pd-extended, 
> used vanilla before), I'll accept that. 

I believe, resonz is the same as reson~ in Max/MSP. All these resonX things
differ only in how they normalize the filter for different center frequencies.
resonr keeps the resonance gain constant, resonz normalizes the peak gain:
http://www.dsprelated.com/dspbooks/filters/Peak_Gain_Versus_Resonance.html

resonz~ and resonr~ can be build as abstractions, so there's no need to install
externals just for them:
http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2008-12/067018.html

These and some more Pd vanilla filters are also part of the "rj" library:
http://trac.rjdj.me/browser/trunk/rjlib/rj

Ciao
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Re: [PD] List of GEM objects

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

On 2010-03-10 02:58, Ariane stolfi wrote:
> hi
> 
> I've made this patch with all the objects I've found in the list of
> objects from the GEM manual,

nice, but please remove gemorb & gemtablet, as they are no longer part
of Gem. neither is markEx.

the manual should probably be updated...


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