Re: [PD] gems.multi.crop
Hello, Thanks for the reply, Jack. So the patch you gave allows me to move each crop around on the canvas, but I actually meant for moving the visible area around within the crop.. such as what happens with the slider in attached patch, but then individually for each crop. Cheers, Michael gems.multi.crop.pd Description: Binary data ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Synchronisation fo video and sound
Hello List, I'm trying to synchronise film and it's sound in pd. I have several short clips exported as one longer video and separate audio file. I need to be able to start each one of them when I choose, but I loose synchronisation of sound an video. I first try to use this patch ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boX0v54SqtU ) - I send to the right inlet of [phasor] the starting point of the video (/) by the total fim length. That worked with one of my video test, but with the real video that I have to use totally lost synchronisation. I send separately the begging point of the video to [counter] and [pix film]. Then I tried to use [phasor] as the play machine for both. But it still doesn't work- the problem this time is the speed of the sound sample is faster and the way the films change is pretty random, but there is synchronisation. I attach part of my second try. I hope that will be enough to see where I' wrong Thanks Albena http://albena.posterous.com runabout.eu the-rest-art.blogspot.com playLogic.pd Description: Binary data ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Synchronisation fo video and sound
Le 06/10/2011 11:25, Albena Baeva a écrit : Hello List, I'm trying to synchronise film and it's sound in pd. I have several short clips exported as one longer video and separate audio file. I need to be able to start each one of them when I choose, but I loose synchronisation of sound an video. I first try to use this patch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boX0v54SqtU ) - I send to the right inlet of [phasor] the starting point of the video (/) by the total fim length. That worked with one of my video test, but with the real video that I have to use totally lost synchronisation. I send separately the begging point of the video to [counter] and [pix film]. Then I tried to use [phasor] as the play machine for both. But it still doesn't work- the problem this time is the speed of the sound sample is faster and the way the films change is pretty random, but there is synchronisation. I attach part of my second try. I hope that will be enough to see where I' wrong Thanks Albena http://albena.posterous.com http://albena.posterous.com/ runabout.eu http://runabout.eu the-rest-art.blogspot.com http://the-rest-art.blogspot.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list To synchronise movies and sounds, you need to do the same thing presented in the youtube video (with [snapshot~]). Then you need also to know how many frames per second there is in your movie. For example, if your movie has 25 fps and your sound is at 44100 Hz, then you need to divide the value from [snapshot~] by 44100 (to get time in second) and multiply this time by 25 to get the frame that must be reached (you send this value to the right inlet of [pix_film]). Then : [snapshot~] | [/ 44100] | [* 25] | [pix_film] Hope it helps. ++ Jack ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] rvbap crashes
Thanks for the debugging information. I followed your instructions and
came up with similar errors when running:
valgrind pd rvbap-help.pd
ie.
==4000== Invalid write of size 4
==4000==at 0x4034D0F: rvbap_bang (rvbap.c:619)
==4000==by 0x80B7362: outlet_bang (in /usr/bin/pd)
==4000== Address 0x49df6ec is 4 bytes before a block of size 16 alloc'd
==4000==at 0x4025315: calloc (vg_replace_malloc.c:467)
==4000==by 0x80B8710: getbytes (in /usr/bin/pd)
==4000==
this corresponds to the following block of code and the last statement
in this final_gs[ls[i]-1]=g[i];, is line 619 cited above.
static void rvbap_bang(t_rvbap *x)
// top level, vbap gains are calculated and outputted
{
t_atom at[MAX_LS_AMOUNT];
float g[3];
long ls[3];
long i;
float *final_gs, overdist, oversqrtdist;
final_gs = (float *) getbytes(x-x_ls_amount * sizeof(float));
if(x-x_lsset_available ==1){
vbap(g, ls, x);
for(i=0;ix-x_ls_amount;i++)
final_gs[i]=0.0;
for(i=0;ix-x_dimension;i++){
final_gs[ls[i]-1]=g[i];
}
.
My C programming is very rusty to say the least and I've not been able
to fix it.
If it's obvious to anyone else - please let me know.
Best,
Iain
On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 21:13 -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
Le 2011-10-05 à 14:59:00, Iain Mott a écrit :
I'm having problems already cited elsewhere with rvbap - whereby it
crashes with a Signal 6 when adjusting the azimuth and having first
configured the external with a 2D speaker array (eg. with a message:
define_loudspeakers 2 -45 45 0 180).
I've tried this with pdextended on linux (i'm using ubuntu 11.04) and
also by compiling the external with this source:
http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data/trunk/externals/vbap/
Same thing.
Does anyone have any suggestions?
When you compile the external from source, you have the possibility to
enable debug. I edited Makefile (with an uppercase) to change that, but
debugging info was already enabled (-g). I changed the optimisation flags
though (-O1 instead of -O6 -fomit-frame-pointer).
btw, the use of those flags is misleading, as -O6 is completely the same
as -O3, and -fomit-frame-pointer (which hinders debugging) is already
included in -O2 and -O3 (in -O1 it depends, see manpage).
-funroll-loops, however, has no impact on debuggability...
Then if you run :
valgrind pd vbap-help.pd
and click around a bit, you get :
==10071== Invalid read of size 4
==10071==at 0x4F42667: additive_vbap (vbap.c:419)
==10071==by 0x4F43527: vbap_bang (vbap.c:526)
==10071==by 0x4F45217: choose_ls_tuplets (define_loudspeakers.c:757)
==10071==by 0x4F45664: vbap_def_ls (define_loudspeakers.c:62)
==10071==by 0x80C7498: pd_typedmess (m_class.c:716)
==10071==by 0x3FFF: ???
==10071== Address 0x43886bc is 4 bytes before a block of size 16 alloc'd
==10071==at 0x4024F12: calloc (vg_replace_malloc.c:467)
==10071==by 0x80CB2BC: getbytes (m_memory.c:24)
==10071==by 0x4F45217: choose_ls_tuplets (define_loudspeakers.c:757)
==10071==by 0x4F45664: vbap_def_ls (define_loudspeakers.c:62)
==10071==by 0x80C7498: pd_typedmess (m_class.c:716)
==10071==by 0x3FFF: ???
which is a lot more informative when it can report function names, rather
than just the library names...
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Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.43 builds are working again
testing the latest 0.43 zip for windows (on XP) i found a small 'bug': using 'save as' from the 'file menu' gives the usual pop-up window. when i drag this window a copy is created and the first one stays put. it's possible to do your saving business in the copied window, which than disappears. however the 'original' one keeps existing, until clicking it away. for the rest: my rather simple patches work like expected. rolf ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] rvbap crashes
Le 2011-10-05 à 21:13:00, Mathieu Bouchard a écrit : Then if you run : valgrind pd vbap-help.pd and click around a bit, you get : Actually that's a different bug than the one you found, but that's a bug anyway, and it's the kind of thing that can cause a crash later (e.g. while closing a patch), though I don't know how to get it to really crash. I made two mistakes... I forgot to paste that there's an Invalid Write of same size at the same place in the programme, just after the Read... a Write is more dangerous. The other mistake, of course, is that at one point I switched from trying rvbap-help.pd to trying vbap-help.pd without even noticing. With rvbap-help.pd, I get this crash instead : Invalid write of size 4 at 0x796DB34: rvbap_bang (rvbap.c:619) by 0x80CA552: outlet_bang (m_obj.c:371) by 0x80CA552: outlet_bang (m_obj.c:371) by 0x80FCB3A: trigger_list (x_connective.c:981) by 0x80FCE26: trigger_float (x_connective.c:1025) by 0x80CA0A6: outlet_float (m_obj.c:397) by 0x80CA0A6: outlet_float (m_obj.c:397) by 0x8079BFD: gatom_bang (g_text.c:585) by 0x807DEC1: gatom_motion (g_text.c:615) by 0x80A9268: canvas_motion (g_editor.c:1821) by 0x80C7765: pd_typedmess (m_class.c:792) by 0x80C734B: pd_typedmess (m_class.c:813) Address 0x461d424 is 4 bytes before a block of size 16 alloc'd at 0x4024F12: calloc (vg_replace_malloc.c:467) by 0x80CB2BC: getbytes (m_memory.c:24) by 0x80CA552: outlet_bang (m_obj.c:371) by 0x80CA552: outlet_bang (m_obj.c:371) by 0x80FCB3A: trigger_list (x_connective.c:981) by 0x80FCE26: trigger_float (x_connective.c:1025) by 0x80CA0A6: outlet_float (m_obj.c:397) by 0x80CA0A6: outlet_float (m_obj.c:397) by 0x8079BFD: gatom_bang (g_text.c:585) by 0x807DEC1: gatom_motion (g_text.c:615) by 0x80A9268: canvas_motion (g_editor.c:1821) by 0x80C7765: pd_typedmess (m_class.c:792) which might or might not be a copy of the same bug... __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] rvbap crashes
Le 2011-10-06 à 08:32:00, Iain Mott a écrit : Thanks for the debugging information. I followed your instructions and came up with similar errors when running: I don't know why we get different numbers of stack items, but if you want more than two, look for the --num-callers=… option. But yeah, we are getting the same errors, it's just that the one I posted at first was for a bug in [vbap] and not [rvbap]. My C programming is very rusty to say the least and I've not been able to fix it. Well, it's not like it's a super-obvious fix. I think both bugs take more than a few minutes of reading. If it's obvious to anyone else - please let me know. I'm emailing the authors... I don't know them, but anyway... __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] rvbap crashes
Le 2011-10-06 à 10:31:00, Mathieu Bouchard a écrit :
Well, it's not like it's a super-obvious fix. I think both bugs take
more than a few minutes of reading.
If it's obvious to anyone else - please let me know.
I'm emailing the authors... I don't know them, but anyway...
It really looks like two copies of the same bug, or almost. It's not a
copy-paste, but both happen when doing
final_gs[ls[something]-1]=stuff;
...
duh. here's the fix for one bug. but the other one would take more
investigation.
Index: vbap.c
===
--- vbap.c (révision 15520)
+++ vbap.c (copie de travail)
@@ -77,6 +77,7 @@
#ifdef PD
void vbap_setup(void)
{
+ post(%s: matju was here,__FUNCTION__);
vbap_class = class_new(gensym(vbap), (t_newmethod)vbap_new, 0,
(short)sizeof(t_vbap), 0,
A_DEFFLOAT, A_DEFFLOAT, A_DEFFLOAT, 0);
@@ -415,7 +416,7 @@
final_gs[ls[0]-1] += g[0];
final_gs[ls[1]-1] += g[1];
- final_gs[ls[2]-1] += g[2];
+ if (dim==3) final_gs[ls[2]-1] += g[2];
}
}
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Re: [PD] rvbap crashes
On Oct 6, 2011, at 11:10 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
Le 2011-10-06 à 10:31:00, Mathieu Bouchard a écrit :
Well, it's not like it's a super-obvious fix. I think both bugs
take more than a few minutes of reading.
If it's obvious to anyone else - please let me know.
I'm emailing the authors... I don't know them, but anyway...
It really looks like two copies of the same bug, or almost. It's not
a copy-paste, but both happen when doing
final_gs[ls[something]-1]=stuff;
...
duh. here's the fix for one bug. but the other one would take more
investigation.
Index: vbap.c
===
--- vbap.c (révision 15520)
+++ vbap.c (copie de travail)
@@ -77,6 +77,7 @@
#ifdef PD
void vbap_setup(void)
{
+ post(%s: matju was here,__FUNCTION__);
vbap_class = class_new(gensym(vbap), (t_newmethod)vbap_new, 0,
(short)sizeof(t_vbap), 0,
A_DEFFLOAT, A_DEFFLOAT, A_DEFFLOAT, 0);
@@ -415,7 +416,7 @@
final_gs[ls[0]-1] += g[0];
final_gs[ls[1]-1] += g[1];
- final_gs[ls[2]-1] += g[2];
+ if (dim==3) final_gs[ls[2]-1] += g[2];
}
}
Thanks for digging that up, matju, I committed it. The sad thing is
that I fixed that bug back in 2006, then rvbap was forked off of that
version of vbap. Then I ported the newest version of vbap to Pd from
scratch, but forgot to include that bug fix.
/* BUG FIX: this was causing negative indices with 2
dimensions so I
* made it only try when using 3 dimensions.
* 2006-08-13 h...@at.or.at */
I guess that still leaves the rvbap bug tho. Perhaps the thing to do
is to take the rvbap changes to vbap, and then make a new rvbap based
on the new vbap.
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Re: [PD] Synchronisation fo video and sound
Thanks a lot, I looked at the tutorial patches and they are really great. Now I get a little bit further, I found that I have the same mistake with your patches as with mine. error: soundfiler_read: truncated to 400 elements So the buffer of the soundfile doesn't allow to get a bigger size of the sample than this 400, and mine is a little bit more I guess. I tried to change the size manually but it didn't help, it stays the same. So my next question is :)) Is it possible to load bigger files in tabread4(or change it somehow)? I suppose I can always divide the video into 2 clips and trigger between them, but it will be more clean if I manage t do it with one clip. best albena On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Max abonneme...@revolwear.com wrote: because this is a very reoccurring question and the next question you will probably ask is: why is the sound playback stuttering when i play video in sync with it? i made those educational patches to address both questions: http://www.uni-weimar.de/medien/wiki/Audiovideo hope it helps. max Am 06.10.2011 um 11:25 schrieb Albena Baeva: Hello List, I'm trying to synchronise film and it's sound in pd. I have several short clips exported as one longer video and separate audio file. I need to be able to start each one of them when I choose, but I loose synchronisation of sound an video. I first try to use this patch ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boX0v54SqtU ) - I send to the right inlet of [phasor] the starting point of the video (/) by the total fim length. That worked with one of my video test, but with the real video that I have to use totally lost synchronisation. I send separately the begging point of the video to [counter] and [pix film]. Then I tried to use [phasor] as the play machine for both. But it still doesn't work- the problem this time is the speed of the sound sample is faster and the way the films change is pretty random, but there is synchronisation. I attach part of my second try. I hope that will be enough to see where I' wrong Thanks Albena http://albena.posterous.com runabout.eu the-rest-art.blogspot.com playLogic.pd___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- http://albena.posterous.com runabout.eu the-rest-art.blogspot.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Synchronisation for video and sound
the default maxsize of sound filer is 400. if you want/need that bigger, change the maxsize of sound filer with the -maxsize option (see sound filer-help for that. m. Am 06.10.2011 um 18:50 schrieb Albena Baeva: Thanks a lot, I looked at the tutorial patches and they are really great. Now I get a little bit further, I found that I have the same mistake with your patches as with mine. error: soundfiler_read: truncated to 400 elements So the buffer of the soundfile doesn't allow to get a bigger size of the sample than this 400, and mine is a little bit more I guess. I tried to change the size manually but it didn't help, it stays the same. So my next question is :)) Is it possible to load bigger files in tabread4(or change it somehow)? I suppose I can always divide the video into 2 clips and trigger between them, but it will be more clean if I manage t do it with one clip. best albena On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Max abonneme...@revolwear.com wrote: because this is a very reoccurring question and the next question you will probably ask is: why is the sound playback stuttering when i play video in sync with it? i made those educational patches to address both questions: http://www.uni-weimar.de/medien/wiki/Audiovideo hope it helps. max Am 06.10.2011 um 11:25 schrieb Albena Baeva: Hello List, I'm trying to synchronise film and it's sound in pd. I have several short clips exported as one longer video and separate audio file. I need to be able to start each one of them when I choose, but I loose synchronisation of sound an video. I first try to use this patch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boX0v54SqtU ) - I send to the right inlet of [phasor] the starting point of the video (/) by the total fim length. That worked with one of my video test, but with the real video that I have to use totally lost synchronisation. I send separately the begging point of the video to [counter] and [pix film]. Then I tried to use [phasor] as the play machine for both. But it still doesn't work- the problem this time is the speed of the sound sample is faster and the way the films change is pretty random, but there is synchronisation. I attach part of my second try. I hope that will be enough to see where I' wrong Thanks Albena http://albena.posterous.com runabout.eu the-rest-art.blogspot.com playLogic.pd___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- http://albena.posterous.com runabout.eu the-rest-art.blogspot.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing
Le 2011-09-28 à 21:44:00, Marvin Humphrey a écrit : On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:44:39AM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: In my opinion, using GPLv3 has been the easiest of the options. It means that we can use code that is licensed with a BSD, MIT, Tcl, Apache, GPLv2, LGPL, GPLv3, etc.. So its the most compatible to the code that's out there, meaning thinking about licenses less writing more code that everyone is free to use :) All I'm gonna say is that I see things from a different angle. :) I have no idea what the angle is and how that licensing of «overall project» is supposed to work. I'm lost. Besides, I just realised that [pd META] says things like «LICENSE GPL v2» or «LICENSE GPL v3» but never «LICENSE GPL v2 OR LATER». Isn't that strange ? The distinction has to be made between «version 2 only» and «version 2 or later» and between «version 3 only» and «version 3 and later» (even when, in that latter case, there is currently no version after 3). BTW, there are even cases where it just says GPL without version number. __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing
Le 2011-09-29 à 10:37:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit : Something I was thinking about for the future is a way to model keyboard input after the efficiency of 'vi' input. The efficiency of vi input is only efficient to vi users. Other people want arrows because they're arrows. If not using arrows, then at least, people expect something where at least the up key is above the down key. DesireData has a way to edit connections with the keyboard but I found it takes too many keystrokes. Editing the key bindings is the easy part of it... __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-extended license WAS: Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing
Le 2011-09-28 à 10:35:00, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : In the case of a GPL project including a BSD code, there is not a separate license. Only the copyright holder can change the license. It is just that the BSD license allows you to add additional restrictions. The GPL adds one restriction: whenever you give someone the software, you have to also give them the source code. GPL also adds the restriction of not adding any additional restrictions, and that's a restriction by itself (I'm not saying that it's good or bad). It can also be counted as several additional restrictions, depending on the way one reads it. So if you were going to include Pd-extended in your OS as a whole, you have to treat all the code as GPLv3. list-abs is a library included in Pd-extended. It is released under a BSD license. If you download list-abs by itself and package that, then it is not Pd-extended. So its BSD. If someone includes Pd-extended as a whole in their OS, and modify BSD externals, while keeping them bundled with the rest of Pd-extended, they don't have to distribute the source to those modifications, despite your claim that Pd-extended has a license « as a whole ». That person doesn't have to take anything apart (debundle) or whatever. The « as a whole » concept has a more limited applicability than what you seem to be claiming. __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing
- Original Message - From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca To: Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing Le 2011-09-28 à 21:44:00, Marvin Humphrey a écrit : On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:44:39AM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: In my opinion, using GPLv3 has been the easiest of the options. It means that we can use code that is licensed with a BSD, MIT, Tcl, Apache, GPLv2, LGPL, GPLv3, etc.. So its the most compatible to the code that's out there, meaning thinking about licenses less writing more code that everyone is free to use :) All I'm gonna say is that I see things from a different angle. :) I have no idea what the angle is and how that licensing of «overall project» is supposed to work. I'm lost. Besides, I just realised that [pd META] says things like «LICENSE GPL v2» or «LICENSE GPL v3» but never «LICENSE GPL v2 OR LATER». Isn't that strange ? GPL v2 - LICENSE.txt is the GPL v2 GPL v3 - LICENSE.txt is the GPL v3 Then there are cases like pdogg, where LICENSE.txt is GPL v2 but in README.txt the author writes that the license is LGPL. The distinction has to be made between «version 2 only» and «version 2 or later» and between «version 3 only» and «version 3 and later» (even when, in that latter case, there is currently no version after 3). How do I figure this out from the files inside a given libdir? BTW, there are even cases where it just says GPL without version number. I believe those cases are where the only info I had was a statement in a README or somewhere that said This software is released under the GPL. -Jonathan __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] GPL details WAS: Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing
On Thu, 2011-10-06 at 15:46 -0700, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: - Original Message - From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca To: Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing Le 2011-09-28 à 21:44:00, Marvin Humphrey a écrit : On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:44:39AM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: In my opinion, using GPLv3 has been the easiest of the options. It means that we can use code that is licensed with a BSD, MIT, Tcl, Apache, GPLv2, LGPL, GPLv3, etc.. So its the most compatible to the code that's out there, meaning thinking about licenses less writing more code that everyone is free to use :) All I'm gonna say is that I see things from a different angle. :) I have no idea what the angle is and how that licensing of «overall project» is supposed to work. I'm lost. Besides, I just realised that [pd META] says things like «LICENSE GPL v2» or «LICENSE GPL v3» but never «LICENSE GPL v2 OR LATER». Isn't that strange ? GPL v2 - LICENSE.txt is the GPL v2 GPL v3 - LICENSE.txt is the GPL v3 Then there are cases like pdogg, where LICENSE.txt is GPL v2 but in README.txt the author writes that the license is LGPL. The distinction has to be made between «version 2 only» and «version 2 or later» and between «version 3 only» and «version 3 and later» (even when, in that latter case, there is currently no version after 3). How do I figure this out from the files inside a given libdir? BTW, there are even cases where it just says GPL without version number. I believe those cases are where the only info I had was a statement in a README or somewhere that said This software is released under the GPL. The GPL includes the or any later version by default, but some people remove that part. The Linux kernel is a notable exception, I believe it says GPLv2 only. We could adopt the Debian notation for this: GPLv2+ standard GPL v2 or later GPLv2 standard GPL v2 only etc. .hc ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing
Le 2011-10-06 à 15:46:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit : Then there are cases like pdogg, where LICENSE.txt is GPL v2 but in README.txt the author writes that the license is LGPL. Ok, this would be plain wrong, if it were the case. Then the author would have to be contacted, in order to make things clear. However : head -1 externals/pdogg/LICENSE.txt gives : GNU LIBRARY GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE which means LGPL. The distinction has to be made between «version 2 only» and «version 2 or later» and between «version 3 only» and «version 3 and later» (even when, in that latter case, there is currently no version after 3). How do I figure this out from the files inside a given libdir? You can't. If it can make a difference for the Pd community, then the authors of those files have to be contacted so that they rerelease the same things with a more precise statement of license than just putting a LICENSE.txt file there. BTW, there are even cases where it just says GPL without version number. I believe those cases are where the only info I had was a statement in a README or somewhere that said This software is released under the GPL. Yeah. That's also the best you could do with the info that you didn't have, but it still means that the info is incomplete. __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GPL details WAS: Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing
Le 2011-10-06 à 18:52:00, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : The GPL includes the or any later version by default, Actually, it seems not. You have to say « or any later version » explicitly. « Each version is given a distinguishing version number. If the Program specifies a version number of this License which applies to it and any later version, you have the option of following the terms and conditions either of that version or of any later version published by the Free Software Foundation. » It doesn't say what happens if you just state a version number in particular, but I don't know why anyone would assume that it means « or later » if the text of the license does not say it. However, in the case of no version number, the GPL then continues like this : « If the Program does not specify a version number of this License, you may choose any version ever published by the Free Software Foundation. » which I take to mean « GPL v1 or later » (which still excludes LGPL, GFDL, etc.) but some people remove that part. They remove it from the license notice, which is usually a template made by the FSF/GNU, but isn't actually part of the GPL. (It's included in the license file as an example inside the Appendix, after the line that says : « END OF TERMS AND CONDITIONS ») We could adopt the Debian notation for this: GPLv2+ standard GPL v2 or later GPLv2 standard GPL v2 only Yeah, that one or anything more convenient, but I bet that the Debian notation is already sufficiently convenient. __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing
- Original Message - From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com; Simon Wise simonzw...@gmail.com; pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing Le 2011-09-29 à 10:37:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit : Something I was thinking about for the future is a way to model keyboard input after the efficiency of 'vi' input. The efficiency of vi input is only efficient to vi users. Well, I like staying in home position as much as possible. The bindings could be for arrows as well. Other people want arrows because they're arrows. Sure. If not using arrows, then at least, people expect something where at least the up key is above the down key. DesireData has a way to edit connections with the keyboard but I found it takes too many keystrokes. Editing the key bindings is the easy part of it... Right. The part I'm talking about is this: [route 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7] [s from_rejection_outlet] How do I make a connection from [route]'s rejection outlet to [s]? With the current DesireData keyboard system I select [route] and do ctrl-tab9 times, then ctrl-down-array, then ctrl-tab 2 times, then Enter. Rather than physically clicking a key nine times, I'd like a way to specify the xlet number with the number keys, which could cut the number of keystrokes in half. (That's what I'm talking about regarding vi efficiency, though it doesn't have to be the exact same key bindings.) -Jonathan __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing
- Original Message - From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com; pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing Le 2011-10-06 à 15:46:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit : Then there are cases like pdogg, where LICENSE.txt is GPL v2 but in README.txt the author writes that the license is LGPL. Ok, this would be plain wrong, if it were the case. Then the author would have to be contacted, in order to make things clear. However : head -1 externals/pdogg/LICENSE.txt gives : GNU LIBRARY GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE Ok, I got confused with Library vs. Lesser LGPL v2 = GNU Library GPL LGPL v2.1 = GNU Lesser GPL LGPL v3.0 = most recent GNU Lesser GPL Is that unambiguous? which means LGPL. The distinction has to be made between «version 2 only» and «version 2 or later» and between «version 3 only» and «version 3 and later» (even when, in that latter case, there is currently no version after 3). How do I figure this out from the files inside a given libdir? You can't. If it can make a difference for the Pd community, then the authors of those files have to be contacted so that they rerelease the same things with a more precise statement of license than just putting a LICENSE.txt file there. BTW, there are even cases where it just says GPL without version number. I believe those cases are where the only info I had was a statement in a README or somewhere that said This software is released under the GPL. Ok, I'll see what I can do. Yeah. That's also the best you could do with the info that you didn't have, but it still means that the info is incomplete. Ok. -Jonathan __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
