Re: [PD] sigmund list sort
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 01:14:22PM -0500, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Le 2012-02-18 à 09:58:00, Miller Puckette a écrit : I believe there's no good way to do this in pd vanilla. THere should be a 'list sort' but I haven't figured out what would be the best design. (and there's probably already a list sort in Pd extended :) the [list-sort] abstraction uses a high-constant O(n²) algorithm that breaks once you try to sort more than 125 values. Actually [list-sort] since quite some time uses the sort method borrowed from Pd's data-structures for sorting. The problem here is not so much the sorting algorithm, which is very fast and can sort way more than 125 items. However copying the list to a data structure and back - this currently indeed has a problem with stack-overflows, as I'm now aware. Have to think about a fix ... Ciao -- Frank BarknechtDo You RjDj.me? _ __footils.org__ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Resonant filter using cpole~ czero~
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 11:33:28AM -0500, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Le 2012-02-03 à 09:46:00, Frank Barknecht a écrit : Most filters in the rj library (https://github.com/rjdj/rjlib) use a similar approach. They even include a biquad-clone written with elementary filters. Why would you clone biquad using elementary filters ? Is it just to show that it's possible, or is it to make it fully signal-rate ? I made it half signal-rate: The object accepts signal parameters, but these are just linearly interpolated internally, i.e. they don't move correctly on a circle. Ciao -- Frank BarknechtDo You RjDj.me? _ __footils.org__ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] libpd, the book!
looks great Peter! i'm about to order an e-reader, so i will definitely get this once it arrives. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.43-2 test 1 released
On 02/23/12 18:11, Miller Puckette wrote: Hi all - Pd 0.43-2 test 1 is out on the usual places: great. This version fixes the TCL errors starting up on Windows (the page-long pink blot on the Pd window) and a couple of minor fixes. unfortunately not entirely (i could only test the git version (rev: bb91ad26e16), due to my bad internet connection). i still get a tcl error, when trying to change the number of items of an [hradio] in a closed subpatch [1]. see attached patch that illustrates the problem. it would be great if this minor annoyance could somehow be fixed. fgmasrd IOhannes [1] this was reported as https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=3484412group_id=55736atid=478070 #N canvas 558 108 635 300 10; #N canvas 5 49 450 300 sub 0; #X obj 147 160 hradio 15 1 0 1 empty empty empty 0 -8 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 0; #X obj 147 86 inlet; #X msg 147 108 number \$1; #X connect 1 0 2 0; #X connect 2 0 0 0; #X restore 101 154 pd sub; #X floatatom 101 135 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X msg 101 36 bang; #X obj 101 108 random 10; #X text 35 36 click the; #X text 151 157 (if you open this \, everything works as expected) ; #X text 142 36 repeatedly to trigger a Tcl/TK backtrace \, as long as [pd sub] stays closed.; #X connect 1 0 0 0; #X connect 2 0 3 0; #X connect 3 0 1 0; ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] libpd, the book!
Congratulations Peter. Just pre-ordered my copy! best, Jamie On 24 Feb 2012, at 01:42, Peter Brinkmann wrote: Hi, I'm happy to announce the release of my book on mobile audio development with libpd: http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920022503.do The ebook version is available now; printed copies will be available from amazon.com next week. Cheers, Peter ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Japanese Pure Data book is out now.
Hi, wonderful! I really like the cover, too. I just found that BNN International also has an Englisch announcement here: http://bnn-international.blogspot.com/2012/02/this-is-basic-how-to-book-about-pure.html All the best, -- Frank On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 05:38:00PM +0900, Seiichiro MATSUMURA wrote: Dear list, The world first Japanese Pure Data book for sound programming will be published from BNN(Bug News Network) Inc. on 23rd Feb. 2012 in Japan. The title is Pd Recipe Book -Sound Programming with Pure Data. This book is written for the programming newbies with the step by step type tutorials. If you know anybody who can read Japanese and hope to jump into the Pd world, please recommend this book. Web site (Japanese) Pd Recipe Book -Sound Programming with Pure Data http://www.bnn.co.jp/books/title_index/web/pd_recipe_book_pure_data.html#more I hope this become the starting point to spread Pd in Japan. best wishes, Sei Matsumura -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Seiichiro Matsumura, Ph.D. Tokyo University of Technology School of Design Associate Professor http://low-tech-ism.com/ __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce -- Frank BarknechtDo You RjDj.me? _ __footils.org__ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Japanese Pure Data book is out now.
So in a wonderfully circular twist: Any chance of an English ebook translation (preferably free, of course)? Maybe even just the interviews, I admit I'm curious. Well done, good work. Julian On 24 February 2012 09:25, Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org wrote: Hi, wonderful! I really like the cover, too. I just found that BNN International also has an Englisch announcement here: http://bnn-international.blogspot.com/2012/02/this-is-basic-how-to-book-about-pure.html All the best, -- Frank On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 05:38:00PM +0900, Seiichiro MATSUMURA wrote: Dear list, The world first Japanese Pure Data book for sound programming will be published from BNN(Bug News Network) Inc. on 23rd Feb. 2012 in Japan. The title is Pd Recipe Book -Sound Programming with Pure Data. This book is written for the programming newbies with the step by step type tutorials. If you know anybody who can read Japanese and hope to jump into the Pd world, please recommend this book. Web site (Japanese) Pd Recipe Book -Sound Programming with Pure Data http://www.bnn.co.jp/books/title_index/web/pd_recipe_book_pure_data.html#more I hope this become the starting point to spread Pd in Japan. best wishes, Sei Matsumura -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Seiichiro Matsumura, Ph.D. Tokyo University of Technology School of Design Associate Professor http://low-tech-ism.com/ __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce -- Frank BarknechtDo You RjDj.me? _ __footils.org__ ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] pix_openni crash Pd
Hello, i compiled pix_openni for my Ubuntu 11.04 with Gem 0.93 and Pd 0.42.6. When i open the patch 'pix_openni-help.pd', i get in the Pd console : [pix_openni]: pix_openni 0.03 - experimental - 2011/2012 by Matthias Kronlachner [pix_openni]: using multiple kinects not available now... chosen ID: 0 [pix_openni]: OPEN NI initialised successfully. And [pix_openni] object seems to be OK. But when i create the Gemwin, Pd crash : Erreur de segmentation jack@jack-N55SF:~$ socket receive error: Connection reset by peer (104) I did something bad ? ++ Jack ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] libpd, the book!
wow...should come to the Uk soon?---now I have an excuse to buy an Andriod phone :] On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 8:48 AM, Jamie Bullock ja...@postlude.co.uk wrote: Congratulations Peter. Just pre-ordered my copy! best, Jamie On 24 Feb 2012, at 01:42, Peter Brinkmann wrote: Hi, I'm happy to announce the release of my book on mobile audio development with libpd: http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920022503.do The ebook version is available now; printed copies will be available from amazon.com next week. Cheers, Peter ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] save search path 0.43 OSX
I think the better way to fix those help-files is to use an [import] or [declare] object in the help patch. one prob I have found ... in a lib such as rtc the objects are not compiled externals but abstractions that rely on list-abs. how to deal with this? you can't really put [import list-abs] or [declare] in an abstraction ... well I guess you can buts that's not the way it should be done. m On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:25 AM, Roman Haefeli reduz...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 2012-02-23 at 13:41 -0800, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: A lot of external developers obviously got used to relying on the libs that were loaded by default in previous versions of Pd extended. If their help patches rely on some of those externals and the dev didn't give a lib prefix, those objects won't load under the new system. I think the better way to fix those help-files is to use an [import] or [declare] object in the help patch. This way those help patches may also work outside the Pd-extended context (for instance, if you use multi-class externals). Roman From: András Murányi muran...@gmail.com To: pd-list pd-list@iem.at Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [PD] save search path 0.43 OSX Huh, afaik there has been no such warning for deprecation ever planted in Pd so there is nothing to conform with. If it gets implemented, it will be something helpful and ugly - for a temporary period of time. Three ways come into my mind: - an alert box (modal dialog with the warning and an OK button) that appears when you click the menu item, and of course when you click OK the actual path dialog appears, - a sort of textual link somewhere on the path dialog box itself, could look like Editing paths here is deprecated. See why, and how to edit paths, and it would lead to a certain help page, - putting back the Save button, with no other functionality than displaying the aforementioned alert box. András 2012/2/19 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Yup, I agree, it should be represented clearly somehow I'm open to suggestions. Its been a long time policy in Pd-extended to avoid using the preferences. Its only recently been enforced. .hc On Feb 18, 2012, at 3:26 PM, András Murányi wrote: Ugh, I more and more tend to think that this info shall be directly accessible from the affected dialog window. Many people may think their Pd is just broken and they might just have no idea what to do about it. Andras On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 20:59, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: Setting the paths and the libraries to load at start time via the preferences is deprecated in Pd-extended 0.43. The way to do this is: * for the global path, add your libraries, etc. to the built-in user path: http://puredata.info/docs/faq/how-do-i-install-externals-and-help-files * for a path local to a patch, use the new [path] object, following the interface of [import] with the functionality of [declare -path] If you really want to still set the paths via the preferences, you can edit the preferences file, and Pd-extended will still load them from the preferences file. So in your case, Scott, it sounds like you are using a preferences file that has your extra paths in it already. The Preferences interface in Pd-extended 0.43 no longer saves the paths to the file, so it doesn't override your previously saved extra paths. Try renaming or deleting your preferences file. .hc On Feb 18, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Scott R. Looney wrote: well, just to add my experience i think i can set search paths correctly, but i would like to add that it seems to be quite difficult to have more than one instance of PD-extended 0.43 on the computer (trying mac OS 10.6.4 w/ 32bit and 64bit builds) making it a bit challenging to check one build's operation/stability against another on the same computer. for example, the help browser shows all instances of installed objects on the computer, and then console complains about multiple versions of files existing. i've tried deleting the extra paths that show up to limit things, which works temporarily, but on the next startup it just reverts back to grabbing everything it can find again. it works the same in every .43 pd-extended build i've tried so far (several version of both 32 and 64 bit builds in Dec/Jan). putting things on other drives doesn't work either - it will find those paths as well. scott On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Joson Android joson.andr...@googlemail.com wrote: Dear List! i love pd-extended-0.43 !! but i cannot add any search path in the prefferences. It will show my new settings right when i make changes but wont save anything. It prints ripts/../extra/mapping: no such object in the pd-window. It works in pd-extended-0.42.5 . Should there be a file where pd saves the path?
Re: [PD] pix_openni crash Pd
Le 24/02/2012 17:18, Mathieu Bouchard a écrit : Le 2012-02-24 à 16:03:00, Jack a écrit : But when i create the Gemwin, Pd crash : Erreur de segmentation I did something bad ? des plantages comme ça sont injustifiables. ressaye avec gdb et/ou valgrind. __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC Hello Mathieu, Here the output with valgrind when i create the gemwin : ==4048== Invalid read of size 4 ==4048==at 0x49C6B94: GemBase::gem_MessCallback(void*, _symbol*, int, _atom*) (GemBase.cpp:237) ==4048==by 0x80B5809: pd_typedmess (in /usr/bin/pd) ==4048== Address 0x735ef68 is 0 bytes after a block of size 32 alloc'd ==4048==at 0x4025315: calloc (vg_replace_malloc.c:467) ==4048==by 0x80B8710: getbytes (in /usr/bin/pd) ==4048== ==4048== Invalid read of size 1 ==4048==at 0x49C6814: GemBase::gem_startstopMess(int) (GemBase.cpp:102) ==4048==by 0x49C6B9E: GemBase::gem_MessCallback(void*, _symbol*, int, _atom*) (GemBase.cpp:237) ==4048==by 0x80B5809: pd_typedmess (in /usr/bin/pd) ==4048== Address 0x11 is not stack'd, malloc'd or (recently) free'd ==4048== ==4048== ==4048== Process terminating with default action of signal 11 (SIGSEGV) ==4048== Access not within mapped region at address 0x11 ==4048==at 0x49C6814: GemBase::gem_startstopMess(int) (GemBase.cpp:102) ==4048==by 0x49C6B9E: GemBase::gem_MessCallback(void*, _symbol*, int, _atom*) (GemBase.cpp:237) ==4048==by 0x80B5809: pd_typedmess (in /usr/bin/pd) ==4048== If you believe this happened as a result of a stack ==4048== overflow in your program's main thread (unlikely but ==4048== possible), you can try to increase the size of the ==4048== main thread stack using the --main-stacksize= flag. ==4048== The main thread stack size used in this run was -1. ==4048== ==4048== HEAP SUMMARY: ==4048== in use at exit: 65,622,038 bytes in 45,892 blocks ==4048== total heap usage: 114,083 allocs, 68,191 frees, 143,231,167 bytes allocated ==4048== ==4048== LEAK SUMMARY: ==4048==definitely lost: 17,149 bytes in 61 blocks ==4048==indirectly lost: 10,576 bytes in 607 blocks ==4048== possibly lost: 320,500 bytes in 4,906 blocks ==4048==still reachable: 65,273,813 bytes in 40,318 blocks ==4048== suppressed: 0 bytes in 0 blocks ==4048== Rerun with --leak-check=full to see details of leaked memory ==4048== ==4048== For counts of detected and suppressed errors, rerun with: -v ==4048== ERROR SUMMARY: 2 errors from 2 contexts (suppressed: 2643 from 11) socket receive error: Connection reset by peer (104) Erreur de segmentation Thanx. ++ Jack ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pix_openni crash Pd
Le 2012-02-24 à 18:10:00, Jack a écrit :
Here the output with valgrind when i create the gemwin :
Are there any « Invalid write » messages before getting there ?
Also note that GEM 93 and GEM 92 are quite binary-incompatible, therefore
an external has to be compiled with the right set of .h files.
There were also at least two more intermediate steps for those who used
SVN versions of GEM 93. For example, GridFlow supports GEM 92 and two
early kinds of GEM 93 but doesn't work with the final GEM 93.
I'm talking about this because :
Address 0x735ef68 is 0 bytes after a block of size 32 alloc'd
at 0x4025315: calloc (vg_replace_malloc.c:467)
by 0x80B8710: getbytes (in /usr/bin/pd)
Looks like an object has an unexpected size, which hints at possible
mismatching struct{} definitions.
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Japanese Pure Data book is out now.
Le 2012-02-24 à 10:53:00, Julian Brooks a écrit : So in a wonderfully circular twist: Any chance of an English ebook translation (preferably free, of course)? Why aim for just free, when you can aim for getting paid to read it. __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] sigmund list sort
Hi, attached is an approach using data structures to do the sorting of peaks. Somehow I forgot how to set the sort field in a data structure and cannot find it in the docs. Wasn't there some way to specify a different field than x for sorting? (Maybe it was simply sort fielname which I didn't try in my quick patch.) Ciao -- Frank On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 09:58:50AM -0800, Miller Puckette wrote: I believe there's no good way to do this in pd vanilla. THere should be a 'list sort' but I haven't figured out what would be the best design. (and there's probably already a list sort in Pd extended :) cheers Miller On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 04:19:58PM +0100, labyrinthuscochlearis wrote: hi all, what would be a good way to transform sigmund~'s peaks output so that I get a list with peak amplitudes but in the ascending order of the corresponding frequencies? thanks, christian ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Frank BarknechtDo You RjDj.me? _ __footils.org__ peak-sort.pd Description: application/puredata set-peak.pd Description: application/puredata ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Resonant filter using cpole~ czero~
Le 2012-02-24 à 09:07:00, Frank Barknecht a écrit : I made it half signal-rate: The object accepts signal parameters, but these are just linearly interpolated internally, i.e. they don't move correctly on a circle. If you interpolate, it means that you are doing something at non-signal rate. What is it that makes you having to interpolate a signal parameter that is already at the same rate as the main input ? __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.43-2 test 1 released
This looks like a big, systeming problem with the IEM GUIS that's probably been there for years. I'm afraid to try to fix that so late before freezing a release since fixing all teh related oopses will involve dozens (?) of edits. Thanks for flagging it though -- it looks like the next thing I need to take care of is to get teh IEM GUI code in a sustainable state! Miller On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 09:40:19AM +0100, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: On 02/23/12 18:11, Miller Puckette wrote: Hi all - Pd 0.43-2 test 1 is out on the usual places: great. This version fixes the TCL errors starting up on Windows (the page-long pink blot on the Pd window) and a couple of minor fixes. unfortunately not entirely (i could only test the git version (rev: bb91ad26e16), due to my bad internet connection). i still get a tcl error, when trying to change the number of items of an [hradio] in a closed subpatch [1]. see attached patch that illustrates the problem. it would be great if this minor annoyance could somehow be fixed. fgmasrd IOhannes [1] this was reported as https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=3484412group_id=55736atid=478070 #N canvas 558 108 635 300 10; #N canvas 5 49 450 300 sub 0; #X obj 147 160 hradio 15 1 0 1 empty empty empty 0 -8 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 0; #X obj 147 86 inlet; #X msg 147 108 number \$1; #X connect 1 0 2 0; #X connect 2 0 0 0; #X restore 101 154 pd sub; #X floatatom 101 135 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X msg 101 36 bang; #X obj 101 108 random 10; #X text 35 36 click the; #X text 151 157 (if you open this \, everything works as expected) ; #X text 142 36 repeatedly to trigger a Tcl/TK backtrace \, as long as [pd sub] stays closed.; #X connect 1 0 0 0; #X connect 2 0 3 0; #X connect 3 0 1 0; ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] sigmund list sort
It's odd, but it never occurred to me that one should be able to specify which field(s) to sort on -- it's x, then y. I should fix this... cheers Miller On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 06:46:08PM +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hi, attached is an approach using data structures to do the sorting of peaks. Somehow I forgot how to set the sort field in a data structure and cannot find it in the docs. Wasn't there some way to specify a different field than x for sorting? (Maybe it was simply sort fielname which I didn't try in my quick patch.) Ciao -- Frank On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 09:58:50AM -0800, Miller Puckette wrote: I believe there's no good way to do this in pd vanilla. THere should be a 'list sort' but I haven't figured out what would be the best design. (and there's probably already a list sort in Pd extended :) cheers Miller On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 04:19:58PM +0100, labyrinthuscochlearis wrote: hi all, what would be a good way to transform sigmund~'s peaks output so that I get a list with peak amplitudes but in the ascending order of the corresponding frequencies? thanks, christian ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Frank BarknechtDo You RjDj.me? _ __footils.org__ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pix_openni crash Pd
Le 24/02/2012 18:41, Mathieu Bouchard a écrit :
Le 2012-02-24 à 18:10:00, Jack a écrit :
Here the output with valgrind when i create the gemwin :
Are there any « Invalid write » messages before getting there ?
Also note that GEM 93 and GEM 92 are quite binary-incompatible,
therefore an external has to be compiled with the right set of .h files.
There were also at least two more intermediate steps for those who
used SVN versions of GEM 93. For example, GridFlow supports GEM 92 and
two early kinds of GEM 93 but doesn't work with the final GEM 93.
I'm talking about this because :
Address 0x735ef68 is 0 bytes after a block of size 32 alloc'd
at 0x4025315: calloc (vg_replace_malloc.c:467)
by 0x80B8710: getbytes (in /usr/bin/pd)
Looks like an object has an unexpected size, which hints at possible
mismatching struct{} definitions.
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Here the output of valgrind before i create the gemwin, it seems there
is no trace of 'invalid write' :
==2417== HEAP SUMMARY:
==2417== in use at exit: 10,269,451 bytes in 14,507 blocks
==2417== total heap usage: 44,542 allocs, 30,035 frees, 46,723,012
bytes allocated
==2417==
==2417== LEAK SUMMARY:
==2417==definitely lost: 14,663 bytes in 50 blocks
==2417==indirectly lost: 8,291 bytes in 488 blocks
==2417== possibly lost: 1,525 bytes in 56 blocks
==2417==still reachable: 10,244,972 bytes in 13,913 blocks
==2417== suppressed: 0 bytes in 0 blocks
==2417== Rerun with --leak-check=full to see details of leaked memory
==2417==
==2417== For counts of detected and suppressed errors, rerun with: -v
==2417== ERROR SUMMARY: 0 errors from 0 contexts (suppressed: 482 from 11)
==2418==
==2418== HEAP SUMMARY:
==2418== in use at exit: 10,269,451 bytes in 14,507 blocks
==2418== total heap usage: 44,542 allocs, 30,035 frees, 46,723,012
bytes allocated
==2418==
==2418== LEAK SUMMARY:
==2418==definitely lost: 14,663 bytes in 50 blocks
==2418==indirectly lost: 8,291 bytes in 488 blocks
==2418== possibly lost: 1,525 bytes in 56 blocks
==2418==still reachable: 10,244,972 bytes in 13,913 blocks
==2418== suppressed: 0 bytes in 0 blocks
==2418== Rerun with --leak-check=full to see details of leaked memory
==2418==
==2418== For counts of detected and suppressed errors, rerun with: -v
==2418== ERROR SUMMARY: 0 errors from 0 contexts (suppressed: 482 from 11)
==2419==
==2419== HEAP SUMMARY:
==2419== in use at exit: 10,269,451 bytes in 14,507 blocks
==2419== total heap usage: 44,542 allocs, 30,035 frees, 46,723,012
bytes allocated
==2419==
==2419== LEAK SUMMARY:
==2419==definitely lost: 14,663 bytes in 50 blocks
==2419==indirectly lost: 8,291 bytes in 488 blocks
==2419== possibly lost: 1,525 bytes in 56 blocks
==2419==still reachable: 10,244,972 bytes in 13,913 blocks
==2419== suppressed: 0 bytes in 0 blocks
==2419== Rerun with --leak-check=full to see details of leaked memory
==2419==
==2419== For counts of detected and suppressed errors, rerun with: -v
==2419== ERROR SUMMARY: 0 errors from 0 contexts (suppressed: 482 from 11)
==2420==
==2420== HEAP SUMMARY:
==2420== in use at exit: 10,269,451 bytes in 14,507 blocks
==2420== total heap usage: 44,542 allocs, 30,035 frees, 46,723,012
bytes allocated
==2420==
==2420== LEAK SUMMARY:
==2420==definitely lost: 14,663 bytes in 50 blocks
==2420==indirectly lost: 8,291 bytes in 488 blocks
==2420== possibly lost: 1,525 bytes in 56 blocks
==2420==still reachable: 10,244,972 bytes in 13,913 blocks
==2420== suppressed: 0 bytes in 0 blocks
==2420== Rerun with --leak-check=full to see details of leaked memory
==2420==
==2420== For counts of detected and suppressed errors, rerun with: -v
==2420== ERROR SUMMARY: 0 errors from 0 contexts (suppressed: 482 from 11)
Thanx for your help.
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Jack
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Re: [PD] sigmund list sort
Le 2012-02-24 à 09:51:00, Miller Puckette a écrit : It's odd, but it never occurred to me that one should be able to specify which field(s) to sort on -- it's x, then y. I should fix this... Nearly all the music I ever composed used a vertical time axis. Lots of people are in this situation, though perhaps not many are also into Pd DS. __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] sigmund list sort
Le 2012-02-24 à 09:02:00, Frank Barknecht a écrit : On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 01:14:22PM -0500, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: the [list-sort] abstraction uses a high-constant O(n²) algorithm that breaks once you try to sort more than 125 values. Actually [list-sort] since quite some time uses the sort method borrowed from Pd's data-structures for sorting. I have Pd-extended 42.5 that contains Michał Seta's sort, which used to be cubic (O(n³)) and with even lower sorting limits, until I made you replace the O(n²) [list-drip] that used O(n) stack, by one that runs in O(n) and uses O(log n) stack. I don't know any more recent version of list-abs. The problem here is not so much the sorting algorithm, which is very fast and can sort way more than 125 items. Indeed, it's a slow version of mergesort written using linkedlists in C, which is still faster than nearly anything one could possibly come up with in pure Pd. However copying the list to a data structure and back - this currently indeed has a problem with stack-overflows, as I'm now aware. Have to think about a fix ... Make sure that your algos take less than O(n) stack space... If it's not a 125 element limit, it's 500 or 1000, and it can't get higher without recompiling Pd to be more indulgent. __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] sigmund list sort
- Original Message - From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca To: Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org Cc: pd-list@iem.at Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [PD] sigmund list sort Le 2012-02-24 à 09:02:00, Frank Barknecht a écrit : On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 01:14:22PM -0500, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: the [list-sort] abstraction uses a high-constant O(n²) algorithm that breaks once you try to sort more than 125 values. Actually [list-sort] since quite some time uses the sort method borrowed from Pd's data-structures for sorting. I have Pd-extended 42.5 that contains Michał Seta's sort, which used to be cubic (O(n³)) and with even lower sorting limits, until I made you replace the O(n²) [list-drip] that used O(n) stack, by one that runs in O(n) and uses O(log n) stack. I don't know any more recent version of list-abs. The problem here is not so much the sorting algorithm, which is very fast and can sort way more than 125 items. Indeed, it's a slow version of mergesort written using linkedlists in C, which is still faster than nearly anything one could possibly come up with in pure Pd. However copying the list to a data structure and back - this currently indeed has a problem with stack-overflows, as I'm now aware. Have to think about a fix ... Use an iterative loop instead of a recursive one and you will avoid the stack overflows. Make sure that your algos take less than O(n) stack space... If it's not a 125 element limit, it's 500 or 1000, and it can't get higher without recompiling Pd to be more indulgent. __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] sigmund list sort
- Original Message - From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca To: Miller Puckette m...@ucsd.edu Cc: pd-list@iem.at Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [PD] sigmund list sort Le 2012-02-24 à 09:51:00, Miller Puckette a écrit : It's odd, but it never occurred to me that one should be able to specify which field(s) to sort on -- it's x, then y. I should fix this... Nearly all the music I ever composed used a vertical time axis. Lots of people are in this situation, though perhaps not many are also into Pd DS. Data structures can be used for more than drawing a score with a vertical time axis. In Frank's case there aren't even any drawing instructions-- the only reason he's using x is because that's the field the canvas sort method uses. -Jonathan __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] save search path 0.43 OSX
On Fri, 2012-02-24 at 11:37 -0500, m.e.grimm wrote: I think the better way to fix those help-files is to use an [import] or [declare] object in the help patch. one prob I have found ... in a lib such as rtc the objects are not compiled externals but abstractions that rely on list-abs. how to deal with this? you can't really put [import list-abs] or [declare] in an abstraction ... well I guess you can buts that's not the way it should be done. Interesting that you say that. I always thought it is the very goal of using [import]: make any patch or abstraction resolve its own dependencies. In what way [import] shouldn't be used inside abstractions? (I specifically mention only [import] now, since [declare] has its own implications, though if it would be free of bugs, I'd mentioned it as well.) Roman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] GEM question [OT]
Hi please forgive the OT But is there a JITTER equivalent of cuboid? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] save search path 0.43 OSX
- Original Message - From: Roman Haefeli reduz...@gmail.com To: m.e.grimm megr...@gmail.com Cc: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com; pd-list pd-list@iem.at Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [PD] save search path 0.43 OSX On Fri, 2012-02-24 at 11:37 -0500, m.e.grimm wrote: I think the better way to fix those help-files is to use an [import] or [declare] object in the help patch. one prob I have found ... in a lib such as rtc the objects are not compiled externals but abstractions that rely on list-abs. how to deal with this? you can't really put [import list-abs] or [declare] in an abstraction ... well I guess you can buts that's not the way it should be done. Interesting that you say that. I always thought it is the very goal of using [import]: make any patch or abstraction resolve its own dependencies. In what way [import] shouldn't be used inside abstractions? (I specifically mention only [import] now, since [declare] has its own implications, though if it would be free of bugs, I'd mentioned it as well.) So we have [import] which isn't in vanilla, [declare] which you say has bugs, and using libname/ prefixes which works for both vanilla and extended. What am I missing? -Jonathan Roman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] save search path 0.43 OSX
Le 2012-02-24 à 20:57:00, Roman Haefeli a écrit : In what way [import] shouldn't be used inside abstractions? [import] is not very local, is it ? As long as the constructor-table is still one big table (the method-list of the objectmaker class), you can't escape the fact that importing any set of names «in» an abstraction or any patch, is going to import in the global namespace instead, and potentially conflict with anything imported by anything else that you wanted to avoid conflict with. __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] sigmund list sort
hi, thank you, i will look at it right away! all the best, christian Am Freitag, den 24.02.2012, 18:46 +0100 schrieb Frank Barknecht: Hi, attached is an approach using data structures to do the sorting of peaks. Somehow I forgot how to set the sort field in a data structure and cannot find it in the docs. Wasn't there some way to specify a different field than x for sorting? (Maybe it was simply sort fielname which I didn't try in my quick patch.) Ciao -- Frank On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 09:58:50AM -0800, Miller Puckette wrote: I believe there's no good way to do this in pd vanilla. THere should be a 'list sort' but I haven't figured out what would be the best design. (and there's probably already a list sort in Pd extended :) cheers Miller On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 04:19:58PM +0100, labyrinthuscochlearis wrote: hi all, what would be a good way to transform sigmund~'s peaks output so that I get a list with peak amplitudes but in the ascending order of the corresponding frequencies? thanks, christian ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Japanese Pure Data book is out now.
You offering? Or do I have to wait for that fantasy academia post. On 24 February 2012 17:44, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: Le 2012-02-24 à 10:53:00, Julian Brooks a écrit : So in a wonderfully circular twist: Any chance of an English ebook translation (preferably free, of course)? Why aim for just free, when you can aim for getting paid to read it. __**__** __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] IMAP4 or POP3
On 02/24/2012 02:30 AM, Roman Haefeli wrote: On Thu, 2012-02-23 at 16:46 -0800, José Manuel Páez Moncaleano wrote: Hey!!! I’m trying to get info from an email account to work with it in pure data Is there any library, or maybe an object that let me do that?? I don't know of any ready-made solution, but you could cook your own by implementing the protocol (or those parts that you need) in Pd. I'd have a look at [tcpclient] (from net or iemnet library) and [bytes2any] / [any2bytes] from the moocow/pdstring library. Yeah, good idea, POP is actually a pretty simple protocol. .hc ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Japanese Pure Data book is out now.
I agree, really beautiful cover! another +1 for wanting to read it too, my daughter is learning Japanese at school, so maybe in six years she can have a go at translating it (she's learning Pd in English at home xD) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Japanese Pure Data book is out now.
Le 2012-02-24 à 20:56:00, Julian Brooks a écrit : On 24 February 2012 17:44, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: Le 2012-02-24 à 10:53:00, Julian Brooks a écrit : So in a wonderfully circular twist: Any chance of an English ebook translation (preferably free, of course)? Why aim for just free, when you can aim for getting paid to read it. You offering? Or do I have to wait for that fantasy academia post. No, I'm just thinking that you could apply as a reviewing consultant for the English translation of the book. (DISCLAIMER : this email does not count as an endorsement of any kind. It also does not count as the opposite of one. I am not responsible for any use anyone makes of this email, including but not limited to... et cætera) __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] choosing your language at launch WAS: Japanese Pure Data book is out now.
I was updating pd-extended.git, so I threw in the new Japanese translation :-). I'll be sure to update it one last time before the final release, so you can test it in a real build. I'm all for choice with the language of the app, but it seems to me that is something that the OS should handle. So anyone who set their system language to English will get Pd-extended in English. For those who want some mix of languages, then there is no standard technique that I know of, and how you do it varies on each OS. If someone wants to code this for Pd-extended, patches are welcome. For the geeks, you can select the language easily when launching Pd from the terminal. This is what I do for testing the language support: $ export LANG=en $ /usr/bin/pd-extended or on Mac OS X: $ /Applications/Pd-extended/Contents/Resources/bin/pd You can see the supported languages in the po/ folder inside Pd. .hc On 02/23/2012 11:54 PM, Seiichiro MATSUMURA wrote: Thanks. I finished Transifex work in Japanese 100%. Then I was surprised my partly inputs of Transifex in middle of Feb. is already reflected in 0.43.1-beta 20120223. However, it seems working automatic depends on system language of OSX, now. I think it would be nice if users can select language mode in Preferences, for example like Audacity's language setting. Because many Japanese users (especially geeks) already get used to the general English menu and interfaces. Of course, Japanese interfaces is truly helpful for Japanese Pd newbies. So languages selectable is the ideal. Cheers, Sei Matsumura -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Seiichiro Matsumura s...@low-tech-ism.com http://low-tech-ism.com/ __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ 2012/2/22 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at: That's great! I wish I could read it. I love the idea of including the interviews and the PdCon report, it shows the multidimensionality of Pd. Its not just software, but the community behind it as well. To match this release, I think it would be nice to also have a complete Japanese translation of the Pd interface. To contribute, create an account on transifex and edit the Japanese translation in this webform: https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/puredata/resource/templatepot/ .hc On Feb 20, 2012, at 3:38 AM, Seiichiro MATSUMURA wrote: Dear list, The world first Japanese Pure Data book for sound programming will be published from BNN(Bug News Network) Inc. on 23rd Feb. 2012 in Japan. The title is Pd Recipe Book -Sound Programming with Pure Data. This book is written for the programming newbies with the step by step type tutorials. If you know anybody who can read Japanese and hope to jump into the Pd world, please recommend this book. Web site (Japanese) Pd Recipe Book -Sound Programming with Pure Data http://www.bnn.co.jp/books/title_index/web/pd_recipe_book_pure_data.html#more I hope this become the starting point to spread Pd in Japan. best wishes, Sei Matsumura -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Seiichiro Matsumura, Ph.D. Tokyo University of Technology School of Design Associate Professor http://low-tech-ism.com/ __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Free software means you control what your computer does. Non-free software means someone else controls that, and to some extent controls you. - Richard M. Stallman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] choosing your language at launch WAS: Japanese Pure Data book is out now.
Le 2012-02-24 à 16:56:00, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : For the geeks, you can select the language easily when launching Pd from the terminal. This is what I do for testing the language support: $ export LANG=en $ /usr/bin/pd-extended Just setting the 2-letter language code is usually wrong, because most people want to also have the country code and encoding as well. For example : export LANG=fr_CA.utf8 selects French, Canada and Unicode UTF-8 all at once. __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] choosing your language at launch WAS: Japanese Pure Data book is out now.
On 02/24/2012 05:11 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Le 2012-02-24 à 16:56:00, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : For the geeks, you can select the language easily when launching Pd from the terminal. This is what I do for testing the language support: $ export LANG=en $ /usr/bin/pd-extended Just setting the 2-letter language code is usually wrong, because most people want to also have the country code and encoding as well. For example : export LANG=fr_CA.utf8 selects French, Canada and Unicode UTF-8 all at once. In Pd's case, its mostly right, but specifying the full code shouldn't hurt. You can see the locales available in po/, there is no fr_CA localization, only fr. There is pt_br and pt_pt. .hc ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GEM question [OT]
certainly. cheers Cyrille ps. if you want me to explain you the equivalent of jitter cuboid, you'll have to explain me what cuboid is. Le 24/02/2012 20:59, Pagano, Patrick a écrit : Hi please forgive the OT But is there a JITTER equivalent of cuboid? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] C++ for reusable dsp lib - or better use C?
Hi all, Thanks for this very informative discussion. As I had the initial question 'C++ or C', I wanted to let you know that I've made up my mind: I'll do it the hard way, plain C. I've rewritten one of my own C++ library classes into C by way of exercise and comparison. It does exactly the same thing at the same speed, with not so sweet-looking code. This doesn't cover all the C/C++ differences, but in the end, everything can be solved in C one way or another. I'll put up with the annoyance of writing C, to increase the chances of unproblematic compilation and linking. In my (not so huge) coding experience, I've always noticed that code typing is the least time consuming aspect of a dsp project. To figure out a good concept takes longer. Testing and bug fixing takes longer. Optimization takes longer. I've once written an optimized FFT lib (in C). It took me a month if I remember well, and that was not because of all the code typing. Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] libpd, the book!
Nice!! Will order it ASAP, Thanks for your work ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] 5.1 sound from quicktime video files
hi quick question a bit on a hurry ... is there any way to get control over sound from three quicktime video files in order to send each to a different output in a 5.1 video system? I have three different video projections and need to position each of the video sounds in a different area of the space. as far as I understand this would be impossible as quicktime video play in GEM does not offer any control over sound because only under mac you get the sound played, and this is in fact just done by the QT system and not by PD if all this is not possible withing PD, any suggestions on how to achieve this? I am thinking about launching the videos with for instance VLC and routing the audio by some means into PD or something similar. thanks enrike ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] libpd, the book!
I see the table of contents lists a chapter called Prerequisites. What exactly are the prerequisites in terms of knowledge of programming languages? Thanks, Stefán ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
