Re: [PD] pd-extended 0.42.5 packages for many Ubuntu releases, i386/amd64
Well, I've seen systems break before when doing this (take an ubuntu package from launchpad), so I'd really rather not. Have seen horrible dependency problems result from it (maybe not immediately, but somewhere down the line). So yes, I consider it a really bad idea (bad practice?) and I will never ever do this :P On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:19 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: On 09/24/2012 03:46 PM, dreamer wrote: On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: launchpad only builds packages for the Ubuntu releases, but you could use one of the Ubuntu packages on Debian if you find an Ubuntu release that is close to your Debian release. That sounds like a really bad idea. I'd rather use an actual Debian package. I'd also rather use the package built against the same Debian release, but its not a bad idea to try to install a package on your Debian install when its built on Ubuntu. Worst thing, you'll just have to uninstall it. Its not going to install other packages from Ubuntu, only from Debian, unless you've configured it to do differentl.y .hc ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Splitting Objects
Hi Thomas, On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:35 AM, Thomas Mayer tho...@residuum.org wrote: Is there any pitfall to that approach? One thing I need to take care for are creation arguments. Anything else I need to consider? Speaking about creation arguments: if none are given for abstractions the default value is always 0 (at least I never figured out a way to give another default value *). For C-objects it is possible to use any float value as default. --Funs *) doing it this way the float object contains nothing, i.e. a zero, if no creation arguments are passed: [loadbang] | [f $1] ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Splitting Objects
- Mail original - De: Funs Seelen funssee...@gmail.com Speaking about creation arguments: if none are given for abstractions the default value is always 0 (at least I never figured out a way to give another default value *). For C-objects it is possible to use any float value as default. [loadbang] | [$1] | [sel 0] | [my default value( Colet Patrice ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Splitting Objects
De: Patrice Colet colet.patr...@free.fr De: Funs Seelen funssee...@gmail.com Speaking about creation arguments: if none are given for abstractions the default value is always 0 (at least I never figured out a way to give another default value *). For C-objects it is possible to use any float value as default. [loadbang] | [$1] | [sel 0] | [my default value( indeed it doesn't seem possible to set a default value and keep 0 as another value ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] creation arg, distinction between 0 and no arg, WAS Re: Splitting Objects
hello, a dirty hack allow distinction between no argument and a 0 float arg. see attachment. cheers c Le 25/09/2012 15:45, Patrice Colet a écrit : De: Patrice Colet colet.patr...@free.fr De: Funs Seelen funssee...@gmail.com Speaking about creation arguments: if none are given for abstractions the default value is always 0 (at least I never figured out a way to give another default value *). For C-objects it is possible to use any float value as default. [loadbang] | [$1] | [sel 0] | [my default value( indeed it doesn't seem possible to set a default value and keep 0 as another value ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list default_arg.pd Description: application/puredata default_arg-help.pd Description: application/puredata ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [GEM] compiling with ImageMagick
On 09/13/2012 11:44 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: apt-get install imagemagick On debian (so probably also on ubuntu) the package you're after is the development one: libmagickwand-dev actually it is libmagick++-dev a good start is usually to install all packages that are used to build Gem on debian/ubuntu. $ sudo apt-get build-dep gem masdr IOhannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] creation arg, distinction between 0 and no arg, WAS Re: Splitting Objects
Maybe dirty but skillful! Is it possible to have this included somewhere in pdx abs? De: Cyrille Henry c...@chnry.net hello, a dirty hack allow distinction between no argument and a 0 float arg. see attachment. cheers c Le 25/09/2012 15:45, Patrice Colet a écrit : De: Patrice Colet colet.patr...@free.fr De: Funs Seelen funssee...@gmail.com Speaking about creation arguments: if none are given for abstractions the default value is always 0 (at least I never figured out a way to give another default value *). For C-objects it is possible to use any float value as default. [loadbang] | [$1] | [sel 0] | [my default value( indeed it doesn't seem possible to set a default value and keep 0 as another value ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-extended 0.42.5 packages for many Ubuntu releases, i386/amd64
Sure, if you add an Ubuntu repository to your apt sources.list, that can definitely cause problems. But if you manually download a single Ubuntu package and install it on Debian, then any problems that package might cause can be fixed by doing apt-get remove my-ubuntu-package. .hc On 09/25/2012 03:49 AM, dreamer wrote: Well, I've seen systems break before when doing this (take an ubuntu package from launchpad), so I'd really rather not. Have seen horrible dependency problems result from it (maybe not immediately, but somewhere down the line). So yes, I consider it a really bad idea (bad practice?) and I will never ever do this :P On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:19 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: On 09/24/2012 03:46 PM, dreamer wrote: On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: launchpad only builds packages for the Ubuntu releases, but you could use one of the Ubuntu packages on Debian if you find an Ubuntu release that is close to your Debian release. That sounds like a really bad idea. I'd rather use an actual Debian package. I'd also rather use the package built against the same Debian release, but its not a bad idea to try to install a package on your Debian install when its built on Ubuntu. Worst thing, you'll just have to uninstall it. Its not going to install other packages from Ubuntu, only from Debian, unless you've configured it to do differentl.y .hc ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] creation arg, distinction between 0 and no arg, WAS Re: Splitting Objects
Le 25/09/2012 17:07, Patrice Colet a écrit : Maybe dirty but skillful! Is it possible to have this included somewhere in pdx abs? i don't wish to include that in the externals i share on pd svn. anyway, my externals collection are not included in pdX. so, fell free to do whatever you wish with this patch. cheers c De: Cyrille Henry c...@chnry.net hello, a dirty hack allow distinction between no argument and a 0 float arg. see attachment. cheers c Le 25/09/2012 15:45, Patrice Colet a écrit : De: Patrice Colet colet.patr...@free.fr De: Funs Seelen funssee...@gmail.com Speaking about creation arguments: if none are given for abstractions the default value is always 0 (at least I never figured out a way to give another default value *). For C-objects it is possible to use any float value as default. [loadbang] | [$1] | [sel 0] | [my default value( indeed it doesn't seem possible to set a default value and keep 0 as another value ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [GEM] compiling with ImageMagick
libmagickwand-dev did it though... $ sudo apt-get build-dep gem This is what I was hoping for though... thanks! J masdr IOhannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] creation arg, distinction between 0 and no arg, WAS Re: Splitting Objects
If you use Pd-l2ork there is no need for dirty hacks. Using... [list append $@] ... you can get all the arguments to the abstraction. Obviously once you have them you can check to see whether the argument exists, and if it does not set a default value. If you use iemguts or my patch on the tracker that gives you parent args all the way up to the toplevel you can encapsulate the process of setting default arg values in an abstraction. -Jonathan - Original Message - From: Cyrille Henry c...@chnry.net To: pd-list@iem.at Cc: Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [PD] creation arg, distinction between 0 and no arg, WAS Re: Splitting Objects Le 25/09/2012 17:07, Patrice Colet a écrit : Maybe dirty but skillful! Is it possible to have this included somewhere in pdx abs? i don't wish to include that in the externals i share on pd svn. anyway, my externals collection are not included in pdX. so, fell free to do whatever you wish with this patch. cheers c De: Cyrille Henry c...@chnry.net hello, a dirty hack allow distinction between no argument and a 0 float arg. see attachment. cheers c Le 25/09/2012 15:45, Patrice Colet a écrit : De: Patrice Colet colet.patr...@free.fr De: Funs Seelen funssee...@gmail.com Speaking about creation arguments: if none are given for abstractions the default value is always 0 (at least I never figured out a way to give another default value *). For C-objects it is possible to use any float value as default. [loadbang] | [$1] | [sel 0] | [my default value( indeed it doesn't seem possible to set a default value and keep 0 as another value ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Pd-* 0.43 hanging with watchdog: signaling pd...
This seems to be an persisting [1][2][3] problem I had already encountered: All of a sudden I'm experiencing this again. I haven't changed or updated anything that I recall on the system which is debian wheezy. Running with: -verbose -stderr -d 3 yields: set pd_whichmidiapi 2 Pd-0.43.2 () compiled 22:56:26 Sep 25 2012 port 5400 TCL_LIBRARY=./lib/pd/lib/tcl/library TK_LIBRARY=./lib/pd/lib/tk/library wish ./lib/pd/tcl//pd-gui.tcl 5400 priority 6 scheduling enabled. Waiting for connection request... priority 8 scheduling enabled. ./lib/pd/bin/pd-watchdog watchdog: signaling pd... watchdog: signaling pd... ... [After serveral lines] of those WARNING: connect to pd failed, retrying port localhost:5400. Running with -nogui pd seems to start ok. This is with various versions of 0.43 (vanilla fresh compiled, debian packaged puredata, pd-extended latest autobuild). So it probably depends form something (tcl?) in the system, but what? I tried reinstalling tcl and tk but to no avail. Help please, I really need Pd in this moment! Thanks Lorenzo [1] http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailaid=3434378group_id=55736atid=478070 [2] http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.multimedia.puredata.general/78488 [3] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=647844 ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] managing complex gui
Hi, can i change the color of my gui elements using messages in pd? I was wondering if anybody have develop any strategy, mechanism or patch for asigning colors to very large group of gui elements. I was thinking that if i have a very large and comple gui , it would be nice to apply the color to all elements automatically using the language and not by hand one by one. any idea? R. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] managing complex gui
I forgot to mention that my patch has its gui elements in different windows . so i was wondering : if its possible to control the size and position of a group of windows or subpatches from the language? Sending a message in pd in real time? Is that possible? 2012/9/25 ronni montoya ronni.mont...@gmail.com: Hi, can i change the color of my gui elements using messages in pd? I was wondering if anybody have develop any strategy, mechanism or patch for asigning colors to very large group of gui elements. I was thinking that if i have a very large and comple gui , it would be nice to apply the color to all elements automatically using the language and not by hand one by one. any idea? R. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] managing complex gui
One way is to serialize the names-- 1-gui, 2-gui, and so on. Then you can do [f 50] | [until] | [f]x[+ 1] | [pack 0 0] - put the color you want in the 2nd inlet | [; $1-gui color $2( I can't remember the syntax for colors but I think it takes the same syntax for the iemguis. -Jonathan - Original Message - From: ronni montoya ronni.mont...@gmail.com To: pd-list@iem.at Cc: Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 5:26 PM Subject: [PD] managing complex gui Hi, can i change the color of my gui elements using messages in pd? I was wondering if anybody have develop any strategy, mechanism or patch for asigning colors to very large group of gui elements. I was thinking that if i have a very large and comple gui , it would be nice to apply the color to all elements automatically using the language and not by hand one by one. any idea? R. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-* 0.43 hanging with watchdog: signaling pd...
I had been having the awfullest trouble with pure data locking up , I figured it was plain ol too much processing, then I noticed that qjackctrl was stopping jackd so I started using patchage instead and ran a lot longer till just when I was ready to respond to this till jackd hung up and left the mouse moves stopping at a regular interval, the mouse clog did not stop after I killed all the processes(couldn't be done from task viewer) but only after jackd was killed ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [SOLVED] Re: Pd-* 0.43 hanging with watchdog: signaling pd...
Well sorry for the noise and answering myself (but it seems this pops up every now and then so might be good to write it up). Thanks to Roman who gave me in IRC the right pointer to look further into network issues... On 25/09/12 23:17, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: This seems to be an persisting [1][2][3] problem I had already encountered: All of a sudden I'm experiencing this again. I haven't changed or updated anything that I recall on the system which is debian wheezy. Well I should have recalled better, :) actually I *had* installed wicd replacing network-manager, eventually reinstalling it trying to get a wifi connection to work (another story) and somehow /etc/network/interfaces was all commented including the loopback part: auto lo iface lo inet loopback This means you have no localhot, which is what Pd tries to connect to, thus the hanging and failure. Uncommenting those lines solved the problem. Yawn, Lorenzo. Running with: -verbose -stderr -d 3 yields: set pd_whichmidiapi 2 Pd-0.43.2 () compiled 22:56:26 Sep 25 2012 port 5400 TCL_LIBRARY=./lib/pd/lib/tcl/library TK_LIBRARY=./lib/pd/lib/tk/library wish ./lib/pd/tcl//pd-gui.tcl 5400 priority 6 scheduling enabled. Waiting for connection request... priority 8 scheduling enabled. ./lib/pd/bin/pd-watchdog watchdog: signaling pd... watchdog: signaling pd... ... [After serveral lines] of those WARNING: connect to pd failed, retrying port localhost:5400. Running with -nogui pd seems to start ok. This is with various versions of 0.43 (vanilla fresh compiled, debian packaged puredata, pd-extended latest autobuild). So it probably depends form something (tcl?) in the system, but what? I tried reinstalling tcl and tk but to no avail. Help please, I really need Pd in this moment! Thanks Lorenzo [1] http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailaid=3434378group_id=55736atid=478070 [2] http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.multimedia.puredata.general/78488 [3] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=647844 ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] How to change the colour of geos created using [repeat]
I'm attempting to change the individual colour of geos that are being created using [repeat]. In the attached example so far I have geos randomly changing colour by reading values from an array. However, they do so really quickly which results in a lot of colour changes. Is there any way that I can change this? Thanks Antonio -- anto...@hellocatfood.com http://www.hellocatfood.com spiral.pd Description: Binary data ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] messages language
Hi list !
I'm studying PD and here's another question.
It seems that everything in PD-patch can be done with just messages, starting
with ;
Is it true ?
For example I can use
[ ; table1 sinesum 512 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5; table2 cosinesum 512 0 1 {
to draw wave in a table .
But where can I find the most complete list of this messages and their syntax
and meanings ??
For example in this help file for [tabosc4~] - I don't understand what this
numbers after sinesum and cosinesum mean ...
infact it is nowhere explained. and maybe there are a lot of other useful
commands..
I know about: pd\doc\manuals\pd-msg - is it all there ?
Thankyou !
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Re: [PD] messages language
hello
De: Фывапр Олджэвич tofuc...@inbox.ru
It seems that everything in PD-patch can be done with just messages,
starting with ;
Is it true ?
semi-colon means that a message will be sent internaly to a [receive] object
named with next argument,
this also can be a [table] object.
For example I can use
[ ; table1 sinesum 512 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5; table2 cosinesum 512 0 1 {
to draw wave in a table .
But where can I find the most complete list of this messages and
their syntax and meanings ??
for sinesum message arg 1: Number of Points - arg 2: list of partial strengths
it's documented in all_about_arrays.pd/Higher_math/sine_waves
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Re: [PD] messages language
I did a search for sinesum with my gui-plugin and got the following (ignoring
some which just
use sinesum in an example patch):
doc/5.reference/all about arrays.pd
doc/5.reference/table-help.pd
doc/2.control.examples/15.array.pd
A few points:
1. Pd's right-click Help is functionally useless for arrays. You have to open
the
graph and click directly on an array element to get array-help.pd. Otherwise Pd
assumes (correctly) that you're clicking a canvas and brings up canvas-help.pd.
I put links for arrays, subpatches, tables, etc. in the updated doc for
canvas-help.pd
but it's still difficult to find.
2. Typical responses on this list (like mine above) assume the user knows how to
browse the Pd docs, which are located in different places depending on your
system. Although the user can click ctrl-b to bring up a platform independent
doc browser, it still takes 2 clicks to get to any of the docs listed above and
is
generally a pain in the ass to try to remember whether some doc was located in
1.manual, manuals, or god forbid 7.stuff.
3. Sorry about #1 and #2 above. The documentation should be a lot more
user-friendly than it currently is.
-Jonathan
From: Patrice Colet colet.patr...@free.fr
To: pd-list pd-list@iem.at
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: [PD] messages language
hello
De: Фывапр Олджэвич tofuc...@inbox.ru
It seems that everything in PD-patch can be done with just messages,
starting with ;
Is it true ?
semi-colon means that a message will be sent internaly to a [receive] object
named with next argument,
this also can be a [table] object.
For example I can use
[ ; table1 sinesum 512 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5; table2 cosinesum 512 0 1 {
to draw wave in a table .
But where can I find the most complete list of this messages and
their syntax and meanings ??
for sinesum message arg 1: Number of Points - arg 2: list of partial strengths
it's documented in all_about_arrays.pd/Higher_math/sine_waves
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