Re: [PD] How to change the Z-order of gui elements ?

2013-01-30 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
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On 2013-01-29 23:04, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
 
 Select-all, then deselect the canvas, then cut then paste.  That's
 how I do

or even better: use undo rather than paste.
this allows the cut objects to stay connected with objects outside the
selection.

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Re: [PD] How to change the Z-order of gui elements ?

2013-01-30 Thread Ivica Bukvic
On Jan 30, 2013 3:25 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.at wrote:

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 On 2013-01-29 23:04, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
 
  Select-all, then deselect the canvas, then cut then paste.  That's
  how I do

 or even better: use undo rather than paste.
 this allows the cut objects to stay connected with objects outside the
 selection.

Except in both cases you still lose the object state. Pd-l2ork's
tofront/back is the way to go if you can.


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Re: [PD] How to change the Z-order of gui elements ?

2013-01-30 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
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On 2013-01-30 09:44, Ivica Bukvic wrote:
 Except in both cases you still lose the object state. Pd-l2ork's 
 tofront/back is the way to go if you can.

sure.
but you cannot in current Pd.

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-extended 0.43.4 released!

2013-01-30 Thread Roman Haefeli
Hi Hans

On Die, 2013-01-29 at 15:36 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
 Its time to announce the next big Pd-extended release, 0.43.4!

Congrats! Despite expressing many times how limited your time is (and
probably even more so with a family), the new release really is a
milestone. Great achievement! Impressive list of improvements, bug
fixes, new features. Many thanks to you and everyone involved. 

Personally, I welcome many of your decisions like not loading libraries
per default, requiring a maintainer for each lib, removing unmaintained
libs. In my experience it was never so easy to write portable patches
between pd + libs and pd-extended. It's a huge goal to provide a
consistent experience across platforms, but from what I saw in recent
times this goal is largely satisfied. It is really comfortable to tell
people: You just need to install Pd-extended for running this patch
and they don't have to bother with any special settings or
configurations.

Keep up the good work!
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-extended 0.43.4 released!

2013-01-30 Thread Nicolas Montgermont

Hey Hans and all,

Thanks a lot for the hard work during the past years.
Pd-extended is a major advantage for using and teaching pd, and is a 
nearly a mandatory tool to bring people not used to programming in the 
pd universe.
I Hope the choice of a maintainer by library will make the release cycle 
of Pd-extended faster, and will prevent you from the painful work of 
maintaining other's libraries!

Looking forward to the 0.44 ;)

a few comments though, (sorry if I miss previous discussions):
- is is possible to get rid of the french localization?
- how do I load a gui plugin?

and a few ideas:
- one menu with all the preferences
- possibility to choose between different config file.

maybe these are doable as gui plugins?

Best,
n

Le 30/01/13 10:17, Roman Haefeli a écrit :

Hi Hans

On Die, 2013-01-29 at 15:36 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

Its time to announce the next big Pd-extended release, 0.43.4!

Congrats! Despite expressing many times how limited your time is (and
probably even more so with a family), the new release really is a
milestone. Great achievement! Impressive list of improvements, bug
fixes, new features. Many thanks to you and everyone involved.

Personally, I welcome many of your decisions like not loading libraries
per default, requiring a maintainer for each lib, removing unmaintained
libs. In my experience it was never so easy to write portable patches
between pd + libs and pd-extended. It's a huge goal to provide a
consistent experience across platforms, but from what I saw in recent
times this goal is largely satisfied. It is really comfortable to tell
people: You just need to install Pd-extended for running this patch
and they don't have to bother with any special settings or
configurations.

Keep up the good work!
Roman








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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-extended 0.43.4 released!

2013-01-30 Thread Pierre-Olivier Boulant


On 30/01/2013 13:46, Nicolas Montgermont wrote:


a few comments though, (sorry if I miss previous discussions):
- is is possible to get rid of the french localization?


rename or trash the /po and /extra/search-plugin/po folders. That's how 
I do it. ;)



- how do I load a gui plugin?


http://puredata.info/docs/guiplugins/GUIPlugins/



and a few ideas:
- one menu with all the preferences
- possibility to choose between different config file.

maybe these are doable as gui plugins?

Best,
n

Le 30/01/13 10:17, Roman Haefeli a écrit :

Hi Hans

On Die, 2013-01-29 at 15:36 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

Its time to announce the next big Pd-extended release, 0.43.4!

Congrats! Despite expressing many times how limited your time is (and
probably even more so with a family), the new release really is a
milestone. Great achievement! Impressive list of improvements, bug
fixes, new features. Many thanks to you and everyone involved.

Personally, I welcome many of your decisions like not loading libraries
per default, requiring a maintainer for each lib, removing unmaintained
libs. In my experience it was never so easy to write portable patches
between pd + libs and pd-extended. It's a huge goal to provide a
consistent experience across platforms, but from what I saw in recent
times this goal is largely satisfied. It is really comfortable to tell
people: You just need to install Pd-extended for running this patch
and they don't have to bother with any special settings or
configurations.

Keep up the good work!
Roman








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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-extended 0.43.4 released!

2013-01-30 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
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On 2013-01-30 13:59, Pierre-Olivier Boulant wrote:
 
 On 30/01/2013 13:46, Nicolas Montgermont wrote:
 
 a few comments though, (sorry if I miss previous discussions): -
 is is possible to get rid of the french localization?
 
 rename or trash the /po and /extra/search-plugin/po folders. That's
 how I do it. ;)

the canonical way would be to set LANG to C before starting pd.
e.g.
$ LANG=C pd-extended

 - how do I load a gui plugin?
 

they are automatically loaded on startup;
you cannot manually choose which plugins to use.
there is the plugins-plugin which in theory allows you to disable
selected plugins (by simply removing/renaming them in the
startup-folder; which might not work in some circumstances [1])

 
 
 and a few ideas: - one menu with all the preferences -
 possibility to choose between different config file.
 
 maybe these are doable as gui plugins?

yes for the one menu with all preferences.

unlikely for config file chooser: the problem here is, that once you
have started Pd, it's configuration will already be active, and you
cannot undo that (e.g. you cannot unload libraries).
the only thing that could be done (and probably as a GUI-plugin) would
be: save this config as and restore chosen saveconfig to be used as
the default on next startup


fgmasdr
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[1]
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailaid=3590124group_id=55736atid=478070
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-extended 0.43.4 released!

2013-01-30 Thread Fero Kiraly
thank you very much !
good work.
fk
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[PD] GEM magick error ?

2013-01-30 Thread Fero Kiraly
Sometimes pd-extended hangs, with message in console:

Magick: Memory allocation failed `Cannot allocate memory' @
fatal/cache.c/AcquirePixelCacheNexus/270.
Segmentation fault (core dumped)
?

archlinux 64, Tcl/tk 8.6



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Re: [PD] GEM magick error ?

2013-01-30 Thread Fero Kiraly
... it is when opening [pix_image] help patch

and now it throws:

pdsend errorname: error writing sock1920790: broken pipe
pdsend errorname: error writing sock1920790: broken pipe

(yes, two times)

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Re: [PD] Fwd: Lighting glitch, [alpha]-object depth detection

2013-01-30 Thread Jack
Le 29/01/2013 16:54, Klemens Schmiady a écrit :
 *Von: *Jack j...@rybn.org mailto:j...@rybn.org
 *Betreff: **Aw: [PD] Lighting glitch, [alpha]-object depth detection*
 *Datum: *17. Januar 2013 21:57:10 MEZ
 *An: *pd-list@iem.at mailto:pd-list@iem.at

 Le 17/01/2013 10:18, Klemens Schmiady a écrit :
 Am 10.01.2013 18:38, schrieb Jack:
 Le 10/01/2013 16:22, Max a écrit :
 Am 10.01.2013 um 12:34 schrieb Jack j...@rybn.org:
 Le 10/01/2013 11:57, Klemens Schmiady a écrit :
 Am 10.01.2013 11:40, schrieb Cyrille Henry:
 hello,

 i can't reproduce this.
 is there anything special to do in the patch?
 cheers
 c

 Le 10/01/2013 11:06, Klemens Schmiady a écrit :
 Hey there,

 the sphere in combination with the lighting leads to strange
 artefacts as shown in the .jpg.
 Looking for a solution.
 I think, this is because your viewpoint come too close to your geo 
 (sphere).
 Put a [max 2] (for example) on your Z axis for the viewpoint to avoid
 collision.
 i don't think it's that. i simplified the patch a bit more:



 with
 GEM: ver: 0.93.3 
 GEM: compiled: Nov 10 2011
 i have the same phenomenon here.

 Yep, you are right Max. I think it was a problem with the near
 clipping plane of the frustum. But i was wrong...
 Cyrille, your patch seems to have the same problem if you put an
 alpha = 0.5, or i am wrong ?
 Here a patch that enable culling.
 Hoping it helps to solve _this_ problem.
 ++

 Jack

 PS : dont't forget to start by rendering the light before geos
 with an argument in [gemhead] ;)

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 I implemented your patch into what I'm working on at the moment but
 the light goes all crazy and I don't know anything about openGL.
 The lightsource should be in the center of the patch somehow.
 Can you please help me with that!

 Thanks,

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 Hello Klemens,

 Can you tell us your configuration (OS, Graphic card, Pd version and
 Gem version) ?
 Have you put an _argument_ in your [gemhead] ? See example (in Gem
 help) if you didn't put it.
 You have to render lights before the first sphere. And the first
 sphere before the second sphere.
 In fact, in your patch you can't know what is render first because
 you don't have this argument.
 See attached patch if it works for you.
 ++

 Jack





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 I tried you patch I there are no visual differences between yours and
 mine.

 I'm using win7, intel hd graphics 4000 card, pd 0.42.5 extended and
 gem 0.93.3.

 Thanks,

 Klemens


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Please, can you send your patch ?
The patch i sent before didn't work for you ?
Have you tried other method sent on this list in this thread ?
++

Jack


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[PD] absolute vs relative filepath on oggread~

2013-01-30 Thread Òscar Martínez Carmona
Hi list,
I'm having some trouble trying to open ogg files with [oggread~] when I
send to it the name of the file via OSC.
If I use the relative path in the  open message [open ../samples/$1(
I get these errors:

oggread~: file /samples/filename.ogg opened
oggread~: error: could not open /samples/filename.ogg as an OggVorbis file
oggread~: file closed due to error

I can solve the problem providing the whole path in the message or via OSC
but, as you can understand, it ain't the most desirable solution!

It is there a bug or  am I doing something wrong? I attach the patch for
more detail.
Thanx!

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oscoggplayer.pd
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Re: [PD] absolute vs relative filepath on oggread~

2013-01-30 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
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On 2013-01-30 19:07, Òscar Martínez Carmona wrote:
 Hi list, I'm having some trouble trying to open ogg files with
 [oggread~] when I send to it the name of the file via OSC. If I use
 the relative path in the  open message [open ../samples/$1( I get
 these errors:
 
 oggread~: file /samples/filename.ogg opened oggread~: error:
 could not open /samples/filename.ogg as an OggVorbis file 
 oggread~: file closed due to error
 
 I can solve the problem providing the whole path in the message or
 via OSC but, as you can understand, it ain't the most desirable
 solution!
 
 It is there a bug or  am I doing something wrong? I attach the
 patch for more detail.

what do you get when trying to open the files  with relative filenames
(without OSC)?

i suspect that you and [oggread~] have different directories they
relate the relative path to.

fgamsdr
IOhannes
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-extended 0.43.4 released!

2013-01-30 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On 01/30/2013 08:11 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
 
 On 30/01/2013 13:46, Nicolas Montgermont wrote:
 and a few ideas: - one menu with all the preferences - possibility to
 choose between different config file.
 
 maybe these are doable as gui plugins?
 
 yes for the one menu with all preferences.
 
 unlikely for config file chooser: the problem here is, that once you 
 have started Pd, it's configuration will already be active, and you 
 cannot undo that (e.g. you cannot unload libraries). the only thing that
 could be done (and probably as a GUI-plugin) would be: save this config
 as and restore chosen saveconfig to be used as the default on next
 startup

Yeah, you'd have to do it in the default/restart method IOhannes outlined
above. Here's how:

* store the config files each with a unique name
* make the config chooser UI copy the chosen uniquely-named config file to
the default config faile name
* restart and pd will find the newly copied config file in the default location

.hc

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-extended 0.43.4 released!

2013-01-30 Thread Cyrille Henry



Le 30/01/2013 12:46, Nicolas Montgermont a écrit :


- possibility to choose between different config file.

ds le cas generique, j'ai pas de solution, mais si c'est juste les path et les 
lib a charger, alors je pense que le mieux serait de ne rien declarer ds les 
prfs de pd.
mais d'utiliser declare pour tout les patch (comme c'est fait ds tout les 
autres langguages de programation).
on peux envisager d'ouvrir des model qui correspondent a diferentes configs qui 
sont en fait des patchs contenant juste les bon declare.

ca te semble pas pertinent?

c


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-extended 0.43.4 released!

2013-01-30 Thread Cyrille Henry

sorry for the french, that was mean to be a private mail.
c

Le 30/01/2013 21:09, Cyrille Henry a écrit :



Le 30/01/2013 12:46, Nicolas Montgermont a écrit :


- possibility to choose between different config file.

ds le cas generique, j'ai pas de solution, mais si c'est juste les path et les 
lib a charger, alors je pense que le mieux serait de ne rien declarer ds les 
prfs de pd.
mais d'utiliser declare pour tout les patch (comme c'est fait ds tout les 
autres langguages de programation).
on peux envisager d'ouvrir des model qui correspondent a diferentes configs qui 
sont en fait des patchs contenant juste les bon declare.

ca te semble pas pertinent?

c


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-extended 0.43.4 released!

2013-01-30 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On 01/30/2013 04:09 PM, Cyrille Henry wrote:
 
 
 Le 30/01/2013 12:46, Nicolas Montgermont a écrit :
 
 - possibility to choose between different config file.
 ds le cas generique, j'ai pas de solution, mais si c'est juste les path et les
 lib a charger, alors je pense que le mieux serait de ne rien declarer ds les
 prfs de pd.
 mais d'utiliser declare pour tout les patch (comme c'est fait ds tout les
 autres langguages de programation).
 on peux envisager d'ouvrir des model qui correspondent a diferentes configs
 qui sont en fait des patchs contenant juste les bon declare.
 
 ca te semble pas pertinent?

A quick internet translations makes me think that I agree with what cyrille is
saying.  The preferences shouldn't be used for loading libraries, as they have
been in pd and especially Pd-extended for a long time.  Pd-extended no longer
lets you set libraries to load from the preferences, this is one step to get
us on the right direction.  I've been thinking about other things as well,
here's how I'm thinking:

* new standard library that is larger and more consistent than what's in
vanilla, things like all math and logic objects both message and signal
included, rather than needed to load a library (i.e. zexy) for some of them.
It would prioritize correctness and consistency over backwards compatibility.

* no libraries but the standard library loaded by default.

* the possibility to load distro profiles for compatibility with Pd-vanilla
and Pd-extended

* all of Pd-vanilla's objects as a separate 'vanilla' library.

.hc

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-extended 0.43.4 released!

2013-01-30 Thread Nicolas Montgermont

I agree, the libraries should be loaded in the patch.
However I'm kind of dreaming of an option line in the preferences to 
choose your preference file for two reasons:

- it make visible the name of the file loaded
- it allows to switch easily between different audio/midi/others settings

These settings are one of the only thing you must reconfigure when you 
travel a patch between computer, and as there is only one solution, it's 
not so easy to keep special configuration for beginners.
It's usual to see people having problem to have sound just because their 
audio settings are still with 6 output and the audio card is not plug 
anymore.


n

Le 30/01/13 22:40, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :

On 01/30/2013 04:09 PM, Cyrille Henry wrote:


Le 30/01/2013 12:46, Nicolas Montgermont a écrit :


- possibility to choose between different config file.

ds le cas generique, j'ai pas de solution, mais si c'est juste les path et les
lib a charger, alors je pense que le mieux serait de ne rien declarer ds les
prfs de pd.
mais d'utiliser declare pour tout les patch (comme c'est fait ds tout les
autres langguages de programation).
on peux envisager d'ouvrir des model qui correspondent a diferentes configs
qui sont en fait des patchs contenant juste les bon declare.

ca te semble pas pertinent?

A quick internet translations makes me think that I agree with what cyrille is
saying.  The preferences shouldn't be used for loading libraries, as they have
been in pd and especially Pd-extended for a long time.  Pd-extended no longer
lets you set libraries to load from the preferences, this is one step to get
us on the right direction.  I've been thinking about other things as well,
here's how I'm thinking:

* new standard library that is larger and more consistent than what's in
vanilla, things like all math and logic objects both message and signal
included, rather than needed to load a library (i.e. zexy) for some of them.
It would prioritize correctness and consistency over backwards compatibility.

* no libraries but the standard library loaded by default.

* the possibility to load distro profiles for compatibility with Pd-vanilla
and Pd-extended

* all of Pd-vanilla's objects as a separate 'vanilla' library.

.hc

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[PD] Working RPI Soundcards (was raspberry pi user experience)

2013-01-30 Thread me.grimm
i just tested this card:

Logitech USB To 3.5mm Jack Audio Adapter ASIN: B0058P0I2C
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0058P0I2C/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00

w/ dwc_otg.speed=1 in /boot/cmdline.txt

works between 10-20ms with no clicks with adc~ running various patches
from manual (reverb, octave.divider, etc)

also works in conjunction with my edimax wifi adapter + vnc
screensharing (no need for ethernet cable)

i added it and the beringer to the wiki. others should be added as
discovered

http://puredata.info/docs/raspberry-pi/FrontPage


m

On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Peter P. p8...@aol.com wrote:
 * Robert Grah smilingmolec...@web.de [2013-01-29 13:30]:
 Hallo,

 does someone has experiences with M-Audio Fast Track Ultra 8R or RME 
 multiface or other devices with 8 or more channels?
 Can the PI handle so much channels?
 The HDSP/Multiface solutions require a pci pcie pcmcia or express card
 slot.
 best, P

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Re: [PD] Working RPI Soundcards (was raspberry pi user experience)

2013-01-30 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner

Here's an idea: maybe each person maintains a my setup page with all the
relevant details.  Then from that, more concise list can be built.  I think
that just having a list on the front page will rapidly get hard to read.

To add your own Wiki Page, just name it in brackets, like [my sweet custom RPi
setup], then save the page.  Then click on that link, and it should give you a
new page.

.hc

On 01/30/2013 07:31 PM, me.grimm wrote:
 i just tested this card:
 
 Logitech USB To 3.5mm Jack Audio Adapter ASIN: B0058P0I2C
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0058P0I2C/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00
 
 w/ dwc_otg.speed=1 in /boot/cmdline.txt
 
 works between 10-20ms with no clicks with adc~ running various patches
 from manual (reverb, octave.divider, etc)
 
 also works in conjunction with my edimax wifi adapter + vnc
 screensharing (no need for ethernet cable)
 
 i added it and the beringer to the wiki. others should be added as
 discovered
 
 http://puredata.info/docs/raspberry-pi/FrontPage
 
 
 m
 
 On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Peter P. p8...@aol.com wrote:
 * Robert Grah smilingmolec...@web.de [2013-01-29 13:30]:
 Hallo,

 does someone has experiences with M-Audio Fast Track Ultra 8R or RME 
 multiface or other devices with 8 or more channels?
 Can the PI handle so much channels?
 The HDSP/Multiface solutions require a pci pcie pcmcia or express card
 slot.
 best, P

 /Robert


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