Re: [PD] GUI abstraction issues
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2013-02-17 22:50, Esteban Viveros wrote: Second: In pd-extended .43.4, when I try to use a canvas with graph on parents, I can't see the inlets and outlets.. Is as if graph on parents is below of the canvas object, yes it is. gfadmr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlEh4vEACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvSzFwCgpYC/7jVheRB9vOVeeRAmZUDQ hCwAn2D8NT8vIsvBYcSAT0Muv89B52b4 =p2d0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Feedback : pd-extended on the Pi
Hi HC, I didn't think about this. I'll give it a try as soon as I can. Cheers, Pierre. 2013/2/18 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Thanks for the feedback! How did you start it? It currently starts Gem and pdp by default, which it shouldn't since they don't work on RPi. Try this: pd-extended -noprefs .hc On 02/17/2013 09:08 AM, Pierre Massat wrote: Hi, I've been using Vanilla from the Debian repos, but i needed IEMLIB, and i decided i should give pd-extended a try. I followed these instruction http://puredata.info/downloads/pd-extended-0-43-3-on-raspberry-pi-raspbian-wheezy-armhf(I think HC wrote them). Pd-extended installed fine, but it doesn't work well, at least with my soundcard (which work very well with Vanilla). CPU usage climbs to 100 %, and i have to kill Pd. I must say that I m using a very fresh version of Raspbian, though not totally clean in the sense that I removed Pd-vanilla manually before installing pd-extended (so I might have left a few files here and there. Also, i'm using the first version of the Pi, with 256 MB RAM. Cheers, Pierre. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] IEM lib in Debian ?
Hi, What raspbian package ? In the non-free repo ? I tried pd-iemlib before adding the non-free source to the list and apt-get didn't find it. Cheers, Pierre. 2013/2/17 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Its included Pd-extended 0.43.4, and there is a raspbian package. .hc On 02/17/2013 09:33 AM, Pierre Massat wrote: Dear List, I need a filter in the iemlib included in pd-extended. I'm using vanilla on Rasbian, and pd-iemlib doesn't seem to exist in the repos. Iemnet, iemmatrix and iemambi seem to exist, but not iemlib. Anybody knows how i could install this library ? On the IEM website there a list of downloads but the most recent one requires the sources of Pd 0.39 ... Cheers, Pierre. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [gem] Looking for an abstraction for converting textfiles in text3d string
Hi, thanks ! I still have to figure some details, but it seems to do the trick. I'll post my patch when it's done for future reference. Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I think the pdstring/moocow objects will do that for you, [any2bytes] in particular. .hc On 02/14/2013 01:59 PM, Charles Goyard wrote: Hi, I want to display the content of a textfile on Gem. I know text3d does linebreaks when it encounters 10 in a string message. However, before patching this textfile-to-stringfortext3d, I wanted to know if anyone already did that and could share ? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GUI abstraction issues
2013/2/18 IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.at yes it is. You know someway to solve that issue?? 2013/2/18 IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.at -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2013-02-17 22:50, Esteban Viveros wrote: Second: In pd-extended .43.4, when I try to use a canvas with graph on parents, I can't see the inlets and outlets.. Is as if graph on parents is below of the canvas object, yes it is. gfadmr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlEh4vEACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvSzFwCgpYC/7jVheRB9vOVeeRAmZUDQ hCwAn2D8NT8vIsvBYcSAT0Muv89B52b4 =p2d0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Esteban Viveros (27) 8815 7170 (27) 3066 0359 (11) 95761 4125 (11) 2738 7868 www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros http://soundcloud.com/estebanviveros https://www.facebook.com/estebanviveros.art http://www.papodecompositor-es.blogspot.com.br/ http://expurgacao.art.br/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GUI abstraction issues
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2013-02-18 13:36, Esteban Viveros wrote: 2013/2/18 IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.at yes it is. You know someway to solve that issue?? currently the only way (i know of) is to make your [cnv] smal enough so that it doesn't hide the iolets. (or trust the user that they can connect without actually _seeing_ the iolets) fgamsdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlEiKmwACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvQsZQCgs4Q8/7NYrKYPgqOm8MvYdDlt Hq8An21mK6wZJUOXCbh2VREKcT8bHfxm =B2Xd -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GUI abstraction issues
On Mon, 2013-02-18 at 14:19 +0100, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: On 2013-02-18 13:36, Esteban Viveros wrote: 2013/2/18 IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.at yes it is. You know someway to solve that issue?? currently the only way (i know of) is to make your [cnv] smal enough so that it doesn't hide the iolets. (or trust the user that they can connect without actually _seeing_ the iolets) A third option is to create small black [cnv] objects. Place them to locations of the inlets and outlets of your GOP abstraction. Of course, this works only if your abstraction has a fixed number of xlets. Roman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GUI abstraction issues
Yep.. If I put small cnv, I destroy the my GOP visual.. :( (but if I don't have any other option, I will to do that) I tried the 'micro cnv' to sinalize the inlets and outlets.. It's attached. But I can't see the information of these xlets in autotips mode... Only to kill my curiosity, what the meaning of GOP abreviation? 2013/2/18 Roman Haefeli reduz...@gmail.com On Mon, 2013-02-18 at 14:19 +0100, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: On 2013-02-18 13:36, Esteban Viveros wrote: 2013/2/18 IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.at yes it is. You know someway to solve that issue?? currently the only way (i know of) is to make your [cnv] smal enough so that it doesn't hide the iolets. (or trust the user that they can connect without actually _seeing_ the iolets) A third option is to create small black [cnv] objects. Place them to locations of the inlets and outlets of your GOP abstraction. Of course, this works only if your abstraction has a fixed number of xlets. Roman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Esteban Viveros (27) 8815 7170 (27) 3066 0359 (11) 95761 4125 (11) 2738 7868 www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros http://soundcloud.com/estebanviveros https://www.facebook.com/estebanviveros.art http://www.papodecompositor-es.blogspot.com.br/ http://expurgacao.art.br/ FM.pd Description: Binary data FM-help.pd Description: Binary data ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] IEM lib in Debian ?
The Pd-extended 0.43.4 raspbian package. You either have to add apt.puredata.info to your apt sources.list or download it directly from puredata.info/downloads .hc On 02/18/2013 03:38 AM, Pierre Massat wrote: Hi, What raspbian package ? In the non-free repo ? I tried pd-iemlib before adding the non-free source to the list and apt-get didn't find it. Cheers, Pierre. 2013/2/17 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Its included Pd-extended 0.43.4, and there is a raspbian package. .hc On 02/17/2013 09:33 AM, Pierre Massat wrote: Dear List, I need a filter in the iemlib included in pd-extended. I'm using vanilla on Rasbian, and pd-iemlib doesn't seem to exist in the repos. Iemnet, iemmatrix and iemambi seem to exist, but not iemlib. Anybody knows how i could install this library ? On the IEM website there a list of downloads but the most recent one requires the sources of Pd 0.39 ... Cheers, Pierre. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] gui-plugins
On 02/18/2013 12:09 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: - Original Message - From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at To: michael noble loop...@gmail.com Cc: PD send List pd-list@iem.at Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [PD] gui-plugins On 02/17/2013 07:59 PM, michael noble wrote: On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: would it be possible to change the color a cord has when connecting one object to another ? You mean different colors for different cords depending on which objects it connected? I think possibly he means the color of the (changing) cord that is shown during the connection process, not the final cord after the connection has been made. If this patch was included, then it would be possible. https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailaid=3400300group_id=55736atid=478072 Note to Hans: remind Hans Hans forgot to include Hans' patch in Hans' distro next time Hans sees Hans. I am not (yet?) up for maintaining a separate, incompatible internal API from pd-vanilla, so this will be included in Pd-extended once its included in Pd-vanilla. pd-l2ork's binary incompatibility gives examples of why I don't want to do this. .hc ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Changing the defaul language in 0.43
Run 'regedit' in the Run command thing on the start menu, and look for: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\International .hc On 02/18/2013 12:57 AM, rene beekman wrote: Hans, thanks for the reply On the Mac it works for me. Applelocale reports en_BG and Pd properly shows up in English. The windows machines I will be able to check tomorrow evening. How do I find the proper registry keys there? Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 09:54:35 -0500 From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] Changing the defaul language in 0.43 To: pd-list@iem.at Message-ID: 511e4c2b.2030...@at.or.at Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Pd-extended should use the same language that the user is using. If not, its a bug. Pd-extended on Mac OS X looks at what language the Dock is configured in and uses that. Apparently, this is not reliable, since I guess people buy systems in one language, then use them in another, and the Dock doesn't seem to respect that change. You can check the language of your Dock and your global locale by running this in the Terminal: defaults read com.apple.dock loc defaults read NSGlobalDomain AppleLocale The easiest fix it to probably set the language of the Dock like this: defaults write com.apple.dock loc en_US I have no idea why its failing on Windows, maybe for a similar reason. As far as I could tell, Pd-extended uses the 'proper' registry value: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\International Could you send the value of that registry key on machines that fail to respect the user setting? .hc On 02/15/2013 01:03 AM, rene beekman wrote: How do I set / change the default language on both Windoze and Mac for 0.43 ? I don't have a Windoze machine myself, so can't test there, but the readme for the Mac version does not say anything about it. There also seems to be no setting in the preference file for this (or at least none that I could find). I searched the list-archives and the best instruction I found was to delete all .msg files inside /po, which seems a bit crude to me. Is there a more elegant way to do this? I understand from an older discussion that the assumption was that non-technical people were assumed to want to use Pd in their native language. I did installs this week on about a dozen machines and apparently they all belonged to non-technical people, even though every single one of them runs all software on their machine in English only... Wouldn't it be wiser to assume that whatever the language is that the OS is running in, is also the language that people really want to use their software in? Just my two cents. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Changing the defaul language in 0.43
If you are running the command in the cmd.exe shell, it'll be something like this: LANG=pt C:\Program Files\pd\bin\pd or LANG=pt %ProgramFiles%\pd\bin\pd From Cygwin or MinGW, it'll be with forward slashes (/) .hc On 02/16/2013 02:28 PM, Björn Eriksson wrote: Thank you for this news!! The youtube was excellent in explaining some things aswell! I should know better but I am not using the command line so much in the win7 machine i am on, should i write LANG=pt c:/program/pd/pd-extended The folder pd is installed at is program/pdbut seems i have some problems with the syntax... should it be backslashes? All the best, /björn On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: You can also do that LANG=pt trick on Windows and Mac OS X, but you have to use the full path to pd/bin/pd instead of just 'pd-extended'. If someone has written in a patch in their own language, the patch will always be in that language. There is currently no way to have patches with translations of the text. Its something I think we should add for tutorials and reference docs. .hc On 02/16/2013 01:37 PM, Alexandros Drymonitis wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner made this video explaining how to open Pd from the command line with the preferred language https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLkSmIAleMc Although if you open it in English for example and then open a patch you made in another language it will most likely switch to that language, as far as my experience tells me.. On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Björn Eriksson miu...@gmail.com wrote: You can also delete the files within the po folder at the installation folder. Then you will have (only) english menus. I have a related question. I am running a beginners course on Pd (distance course) and in the group there are at least 3 or 4 different languages. Added to that is also that some people are in different countries. So for the students in Sweden (where I am based) most of them get the swedish language selected on install, but by different reasons would like to have english och portuguese. They´re also on different platforms. My question is this... can it be possible to independently select a preferred language regardless what the OS is suggesting and force another language to be showed? /Björn Eriksson On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Òscar Martínez Carmona xamp...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, you've just answered that! Thanx! El divendres 15 de febrer de 2013, Òscar Martínez Carmona ha escrit: How do I switch it back to English? I appreciate the spanish version but English looks much cooler! El divendres 15 de febrer de 2013, Hans-Christoph Steiner ha escrit: Pd-extended should use the same language that the user is using. If not, its a bug. Pd-extended on Mac OS X looks at what language the Dock is configured in and uses that. Apparently, this is not reliable, since I guess people buy systems in one language, then use them in another, and the Dock doesn't seem to respect that change. You can check the language of your Dock and your global locale by running this in the Terminal: defaults read com.apple.dock loc defaults read NSGlobalDomain AppleLocale The easiest fix it to probably set the language of the Dock like this: defaults write com.apple.dock loc en_US I have no idea why its failing on Windows, maybe for a similar reason. As far as I could tell, Pd-extended uses the 'proper' registry value: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\International Could you send the value of that registry key on machines that fail to respect the user setting? .hc On 02/15/2013 01:03 AM, rene beekman wrote: How do I set / change the default language on both Windoze and Mac for 0.43 ? I don't have a Windoze machine myself, so can't test there, but the readme for the Mac version does not say anything about it. There also seems to be no setting in the preference file for this (or at least none that I could find). I searched the list-archives and the best instruction I found was to delete all .msg files inside /po, which seems a bit crude to me. Is there a more elegant way to do this? I understand from an older discussion that the assumption was that non-technical people were assumed to want to use Pd in their native language. I did installs this week on about a dozen machines and apparently they all belonged to non-technical people, even though every single one of them runs all software on their machine in English only... Wouldn't it be wiser to assume that whatever the language is that the OS is running in, is also the language that people really want to use their software in? Just my two cents. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list
[PD] [PD-announce] 21 Feb - Nigredo, new private work for altered self-perception and biomedia - STEIM Preview
(sorry for x-post) Dears, if you find yourself in Amsterdam this week... Come join us before the opening ceremonies of Sonic Acts festival for the initial preview of new media and sound artist Marco Donnarumma’s latest work, Nigredo. Nigredo (Marco Donnarumma, 2013), developed during a residency at STEIM, is designed as a private 8 minute artwork to be experienced by one visitor at a time. The work draws from studies in analytical psychology, human sensory system, and biotechnology so to create an intimate and uncanny experience of one’s internal self. The work uses ad hoc biofeedback methods and wearable bioacoustic technology to create feedback systems within the visitor’s own body through sound (bioacoustics) and bioelectric signals. The senses are heightened beyond their natural threshold, so as to induce an intense experience between viscera and perception. The term Nigredo comes originally from alchemy, where it is referred to as putrefaction or decomposition. In order to create the philosopher’s stone, alchemists would produce a homogeneous black matter by slowly cooking all their ingredients at once. Later in the framework of analytical psychology, the term Nigredo became a metaphor for the moment of despair and disillusionment caused by a spiralling descent into the dark unknowns of the subconscious mind. The techniques used in this artwork are completely safe, however, be aware that the work includes high sound pressure level, pulsating lights, and induced body vibration. ~ PLEASE NOTE: Private showings will happen every ten minutes from 11h-14h and 15h-18h Due to the limited number of available slots it is recommended to reserve in advance. Book your slot at the bottom of this page: http://steim.org/event/nigredo-preview-feb21/ ~ DATE: 21 FEB 2013 TIME: Five showings per hour, one every 10 minutes 11h – 14h 15h – 18h COST: FREE LOCATION: STEIM, Achtergracht 19, Amsterdam ~ Hope to see some of you there, best wishes, -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GUI abstraction issues
Le 18/02/2013 03:03, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit : From: Esteban Viveros emvive...@gmail.com To: PD-list list pd-list@iem.at Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 4:50 PM Subject: [PD] GUI abstraction issues Hi list, I'm initiating to do gui abstractions, and I have two issues in pd-extended. First: When I use the inlet object, can I name it? This is because I would like to have the name inlet in Autotips mode. This in pd-extended and l2ork. Hi Esteban, If your abstraction is named foo.pd, then make a help patch named foo-help.pd and put a [pd META] subpatch in it. Inside the subpatch, make a ctrl-5 comment with this text: INLET_0 Put your inlet name here That will display Put your inlet name here when you hover over the leftmost inlet in Autotips mode. (You can address the other inlets with INLET_1, INLET_2, etc., as well as OUTLET_0, etc.) I could have made it a lot easier by searching the abstraction itself for the info to display in the tip, but I _really_ want to discourage the practice of using the abstraction as its own documentation since that excludes the possibility for an example patch (which IMO is the most important part of the help patch). You can find more info on the pd META stuff in doc/5.reference/all_about_pd_META.pd or just use Help-Search for all about pd META -Jonathan Second: In pd-extended .43.4, when I try to use a canvas with graph on parents, I can't see the inlets and outlets.. Is as if graph on parents is below of the canvas object, I'm sending an objects to explain better this issue. Thanks.. -- Esteban Viveros (27) 8815 7170 (27) 3066 0359 (11) 95761 4125 (11) 2738 7868 www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros https://www.facebook.com/estebanviveros.art http://www.papodecompositor-es.blogspot.com.br/ http://expurgacao.art.br/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Hello, You can also put an argument in [inlet] like [inlet name_of_my_inlet]. ++ Jack ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] IEM lib in Debian ?
Sorry, i don't think i got you. Like I said I tried pd-extended yesterday and it didn't really work. You said it could be because of GEM and pdp, so i'll try without these libs later on. But right now I have vanilla (0.43.2), and it's working fine, and i need the pd-iemlib library. It is not available from the standard raspbian repo. Can I get only this library ? Or is pd-extended the only option ? thanks , Pierre. 2013/2/18 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at The Pd-extended 0.43.4 raspbian package. You either have to add apt.puredata.info to your apt sources.list or download it directly from puredata.info/downloads .hc On 02/18/2013 03:38 AM, Pierre Massat wrote: Hi, What raspbian package ? In the non-free repo ? I tried pd-iemlib before adding the non-free source to the list and apt-get didn't find it. Cheers, Pierre. 2013/2/17 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Its included Pd-extended 0.43.4, and there is a raspbian package. .hc On 02/17/2013 09:33 AM, Pierre Massat wrote: Dear List, I need a filter in the iemlib included in pd-extended. I'm using vanilla on Rasbian, and pd-iemlib doesn't seem to exist in the repos. Iemnet, iemmatrix and iemambi seem to exist, but not iemlib. Anybody knows how i could install this library ? On the IEM website there a list of downloads but the most recent one requires the sources of Pd 0.39 ... Cheers, Pierre. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GUI abstraction issues
Le 18/02/2013 16:39, Jack a écrit : Le 18/02/2013 03:03, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit : From: Esteban Viveros emvive...@gmail.com To: PD-list list pd-list@iem.at Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 4:50 PM Subject: [PD] GUI abstraction issues Hi list, I'm initiating to do gui abstractions, and I have two issues in pd-extended. First: When I use the inlet object, can I name it? This is because I would like to have the name inlet in Autotips mode. This in pd-extended and l2ork. Hi Esteban, If your abstraction is named foo.pd, then make a help patch named foo-help.pd and put a [pd META] subpatch in it. Inside the subpatch, make a ctrl-5 comment with this text: INLET_0 Put your inlet name here That will display Put your inlet name here when you hover over the leftmost inlet in Autotips mode. (You can address the other inlets with INLET_1, INLET_2, etc., as well as OUTLET_0, etc.) I could have made it a lot easier by searching the abstraction itself for the info to display in the tip, but I _really_ want to discourage the practice of using the abstraction as its own documentation since that excludes the possibility for an example patch (which IMO is the most important part of the help patch). You can find more info on the pd META stuff in doc/5.reference/all_about_pd_META.pd or just use Help-Search for all about pd META -Jonathan Second: In pd-extended .43.4, when I try to use a canvas with graph on parents, I can't see the inlets and outlets.. Is as if graph on parents is below of the canvas object, I'm sending an objects to explain better this issue. Thanks.. -- Esteban Viveros (27) 8815 7170 (27) 3066 0359 (11) 95761 4125 (11) 2738 7868 www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros https://www.facebook.com/estebanviveros.art http://www.papodecompositor-es.blogspot.com.br/ http://expurgacao.art.br/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Hello, You can also put an argument in [inlet] like [inlet name_of_my_inlet]. ++ Jack ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Sorry my last mail is not an answer for your question, i didn't read your mail correctly. ++ Jack ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] IEM lib in Debian ?
You can use that library from pd-extended with vanilla. This should do it: sudo apt-get install puredata-import pd-libdir cd /usr/lib/pd/extra sudo ln -s ../../pd-extended/extra/iemlib Then in your patch: [import iemlib] .hc On 02/18/2013 10:37 AM, Pierre Massat wrote: Sorry, i don't think i got you. Like I said I tried pd-extended yesterday and it didn't really work. You said it could be because of GEM and pdp, so i'll try without these libs later on. But right now I have vanilla (0.43.2), and it's working fine, and i need the pd-iemlib library. It is not available from the standard raspbian repo. Can I get only this library ? Or is pd-extended the only option ? thanks , Pierre. 2013/2/18 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at The Pd-extended 0.43.4 raspbian package. You either have to add apt.puredata.info to your apt sources.list or download it directly from puredata.info/downloads .hc On 02/18/2013 03:38 AM, Pierre Massat wrote: Hi, What raspbian package ? In the non-free repo ? I tried pd-iemlib before adding the non-free source to the list and apt-get didn't find it. Cheers, Pierre. 2013/2/17 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Its included Pd-extended 0.43.4, and there is a raspbian package. .hc On 02/17/2013 09:33 AM, Pierre Massat wrote: Dear List, I need a filter in the iemlib included in pd-extended. I'm using vanilla on Rasbian, and pd-iemlib doesn't seem to exist in the repos. Iemnet, iemmatrix and iemambi seem to exist, but not iemlib. Anybody knows how i could install this library ? On the IEM website there a list of downloads but the most recent one requires the sources of Pd 0.39 ... Cheers, Pierre. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GUI abstraction issues
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2013-02-18 15:42, Esteban Viveros wrote: Only to kill my curiosity, what the meaning of GOP abreviation? Graph On Parent fgasmr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlEiWsgACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvQ38ACfVGSAVyALdyFPfaetIBZk3LOA /y0An33fiAF0zZNIQ4z0l1+l9DxCplke =x/2e -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Feedback : pd-extended on the Pi
Hi Hans, I've installed pd-extended 0.43.4 from the apt.puredata.info repo. I tried running it with the -noprefs flag as you suggested. I works with alsa (i have just made a simple patch with an oscillator), but crashes with my soundcard (E-MU 0404 USB), which works fine with Vanilla 0.43.2. Cheers, Pierre. 2013/2/18 Pierre Massat pimas...@gmail.com Hi HC, I didn't think about this. I'll give it a try as soon as I can. Cheers, Pierre. 2013/2/18 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Thanks for the feedback! How did you start it? It currently starts Gem and pdp by default, which it shouldn't since they don't work on RPi. Try this: pd-extended -noprefs .hc On 02/17/2013 09:08 AM, Pierre Massat wrote: Hi, I've been using Vanilla from the Debian repos, but i needed IEMLIB, and i decided i should give pd-extended a try. I followed these instruction http://puredata.info/downloads/pd-extended-0-43-3-on-raspberry-pi-raspbian-wheezy-armhf(I think HC wrote them). Pd-extended installed fine, but it doesn't work well, at least with my soundcard (which work very well with Vanilla). CPU usage climbs to 100 %, and i have to kill Pd. I must say that I m using a very fresh version of Raspbian, though not totally clean in the sense that I removed Pd-vanilla manually before installing pd-extended (so I might have left a few files here and there. Also, i'm using the first version of the Pi, with 256 MB RAM. Cheers, Pierre. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] call for testing: Pd-extended 0.43.4 on Mac OS X/PowerPC
There is now a proper Pd-extended 0.43.4 package for Mac OS X/PowerPC posted on http://puredata.info/downloads If you have a PowerPC Mac, please these this package and report back whether it works for you or not. If its working, then I can switch the Mac OS X/PowerPC builds to 0.44.0 Thanks! .hc ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] gui-plugins
- Original Message - From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: michael noble loop...@gmail.com; PD send List pd-list@iem.at Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [PD] gui-plugins [...] I am not (yet?) up for maintaining a separate, incompatible internal API from pd-vanilla, so this will be included in Pd-extended once its included in Pd-vanilla. pd-l2ork's binary incompatibility gives examples of why I don't want to do this. Starting a little later today, I'm going to start at the end of the tracker bug list and see how many bugs I can patch over the next few weeks. Just FYI-- the only reason I feel I can do this without it being a complete waste of my time is because I know Ivica will consider the fixes, regardless of their murky, mysterious chances of getting included in Pd-vanilla (and also, according to you, Pd-extended). -Jonathan .hc ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] IEM lib in Debian ?
Great, it works ! Thanks ! One last question now : the pd alias is now for pd-extended. Is there a way I can give it back to puredata ? Cheers, Pierre. 2013/2/18 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at You can use that library from pd-extended with vanilla. This should do it: sudo apt-get install puredata-import pd-libdir cd /usr/lib/pd/extra sudo ln -s ../../pd-extended/extra/iemlib Then in your patch: [import iemlib] .hc On 02/18/2013 10:37 AM, Pierre Massat wrote: Sorry, i don't think i got you. Like I said I tried pd-extended yesterday and it didn't really work. You said it could be because of GEM and pdp, so i'll try without these libs later on. But right now I have vanilla (0.43.2), and it's working fine, and i need the pd-iemlib library. It is not available from the standard raspbian repo. Can I get only this library ? Or is pd-extended the only option ? thanks , Pierre. 2013/2/18 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at The Pd-extended 0.43.4 raspbian package. You either have to add apt.puredata.info to your apt sources.list or download it directly from puredata.info/downloads .hc On 02/18/2013 03:38 AM, Pierre Massat wrote: Hi, What raspbian package ? In the non-free repo ? I tried pd-iemlib before adding the non-free source to the list and apt-get didn't find it. Cheers, Pierre. 2013/2/17 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Its included Pd-extended 0.43.4, and there is a raspbian package. .hc On 02/17/2013 09:33 AM, Pierre Massat wrote: Dear List, I need a filter in the iemlib included in pd-extended. I'm using vanilla on Rasbian, and pd-iemlib doesn't seem to exist in the repos. Iemnet, iemmatrix and iemambi seem to exist, but not iemlib. Anybody knows how i could install this library ? On the IEM website there a list of downloads but the most recent one requires the sources of Pd 0.39 ... Cheers, Pierre. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] IEM lib in Debian ?
On Mon, 2013-02-18 at 20:04 +0100, Pierre Massat wrote: Great, it works ! Thanks ! One last question now : the pd alias is now for pd-extended. Is there a way I can give it back to puredata ? sudo update-alternatives --config pd Then choose 'puredata'. Roman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Question on PD with csoundapi~
I'm wondering if anyone can direct me to some documentation on using csoundapi~? are the options for the external the same as the commandline version of csound? I have a copy of the external and the example with it, but the csd file it references are not there and I get several errors when loading the example. Thanks, Mike ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] sdl on RPI (was pdp on RPI (was RPi - GEM openGL))
pdp_sdl gives me a window. no image in the window though. not sure if its hardware GPU accelerated or all though CPU. https://www.dropbox.com/s/wdnuivvlbrn1jd5/rpi-pdp_sdl-screenshot.png m On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 6:39 PM, olm-e o...@ogeem.be wrote: hello, to my knowledge, and following what I already tried, the xvideo extention is not usable due to the restrictions on the gpu chip, and even gstreamer is not capable of using it : result of collective efforts and experiments during the last puredata patching circle in Brussels : http://variable.constantvzw.org/define/index.php/PiEye if anyone can leverage this it will be good... (but I don't have too much hope) Olm-e http://ogeem.be http://patchingcircles.be -- Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 14:47:51 -0500 From: me.grimm megr...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PD] pdp on RPI (was RPi - GEM openGL) To: Simon Wise simonzw...@gmail.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Message-ID: cace5q1637szqx8cphlyd4-ageetxjs-zie1dscy4vxnqgdn...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ok i just went with the apt-get install pd-pdp so when i do this: $ xvinfo i get extention xvideo missing and no xvideo extention on :0 $ xdpyinfo yeilds no module such as xv anything. can someone confirm that xv even exists as a working extention on rpi? maybe i have to load v4l manually? not sure how to do that m On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Simon Wise simonzw...@gmail.com wrote: On 17/02/13 23:33, me.grimm wrote: That's what I was assuming. How to build just pdp.pd_linux minus the pdp_opengl.pd_linux is the question I'll try later this afternoon if I get the chance does the raspbian package fail on raspbian?? I guess it must build, it has been built in the main debian repos for both armhf and armel for quite a long time. It does have the pdp-opengl binary, and it does depend on gsl etc so they must be there even if not working. http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/p/pdp/ Simon ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- m.e.grimm | m.f.a | ed.m. megr...@gmail.com _ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Multi-channel sound from pd on raspberry pi: can someone confirm?
Hello. I'm trying to find a straight answer to this question in the forums. Is anyone using pd on Rpi with more than two channels of audio output? and is it sounding ok? I have tried with a cmedia cm6202 6 channel (5.1) but can only get it to work adequately if I deactivate output multiple audio channels (more than 2). I need at least 6 channels and preferably 8. Has anyone tried to plug in several cheap stereo usb interfaces onto the Rpi through a hub, and setting the different interfaces as multi outs in audio settings, in order to multiply the outputs? Does this work? I would also like to know if anyone has tried an hdmi decoder with more than 2 channels from pd, and whether this actually works. I'm confused about how multichannel sound is handled in hdmi, but would live to know if there is a possibility of outputing 8 channels of analog audio if, say, one of these hdmi decoders were plugged onto the rpi: http://www.allaboutadapters.com/hddodtsdihdo.html If nothing else works, I'm considering just buying 3 more raspberry pis, and linking them somehow... I just want to make sure I'm not missing something, before I spend money on these. Many thanks ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] sdl on RPI (was pdp on RPI (was RPi - GEM openGL))
so im noticing that it did load a .mov and can play it in a window using pdp_sdl. unfortunatly the video only play a 1px height. from this screen shot you can see the thin line at the top of the window. that is the mov playing. so thats good and bad. https://www.dropbox.com/s/m7dfuj96a6e6pcp/rpi-pdp_sdl-screenshot-01.png maybe someone has a suggestion? this was the same with the pdp_noise test that i did i just did not notice the one single px line at the top of the window for that one also if you notice from my screengrab that the cpu is maxed. maybe it will work better with this: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=25146 and now im wondering if patches can be run without booting to X (directly from console) all -nogui style. this would make it all be handled through GPU not CPU im assuming? or maybe im wrong in my assumption. m On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 2:46 PM, me.grimm megr...@gmail.com wrote: pdp_sdl gives me a window. no image in the window though. not sure if its hardware GPU accelerated or all though CPU. https://www.dropbox.com/s/wdnuivvlbrn1jd5/rpi-pdp_sdl-screenshot.png m On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 6:39 PM, olm-e o...@ogeem.be wrote: hello, to my knowledge, and following what I already tried, the xvideo extention is not usable due to the restrictions on the gpu chip, and even gstreamer is not capable of using it : result of collective efforts and experiments during the last puredata patching circle in Brussels : http://variable.constantvzw.org/define/index.php/PiEye if anyone can leverage this it will be good... (but I don't have too much hope) Olm-e http://ogeem.be http://patchingcircles.be -- Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 14:47:51 -0500 From: me.grimm megr...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PD] pdp on RPI (was RPi - GEM openGL) To: Simon Wise simonzw...@gmail.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Message-ID: cace5q1637szqx8cphlyd4-ageetxjs-zie1dscy4vxnqgdn...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ok i just went with the apt-get install pd-pdp so when i do this: $ xvinfo i get extention xvideo missing and no xvideo extention on :0 $ xdpyinfo yeilds no module such as xv anything. can someone confirm that xv even exists as a working extention on rpi? maybe i have to load v4l manually? not sure how to do that m On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Simon Wise simonzw...@gmail.com wrote: On 17/02/13 23:33, me.grimm wrote: That's what I was assuming. How to build just pdp.pd_linux minus the pdp_opengl.pd_linux is the question I'll try later this afternoon if I get the chance does the raspbian package fail on raspbian?? I guess it must build, it has been built in the main debian repos for both armhf and armel for quite a long time. It does have the pdp-opengl binary, and it does depend on gsl etc so they must be there even if not working. http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/p/pdp/ Simon ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- m.e.grimm | m.f.a | ed.m. megr...@gmail.com _ -- m.e.grimm | m.f.a | ed.m. megr...@gmail.com _ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GUI abstraction issues
From: Esteban Viveros emvive...@gmail.com To: Roman Haefeli reduz...@gmail.com Cc: PD-list list pd-list@iem.at Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [PD] GUI abstraction issues Well I try the IOhannes sugestion, and autotips don't work correctly with my abstraction... :/ I tried to create another example (testing-abstration), and now only the inlet are working with autotips feature... In pd-l2ork everything works fine. Indeed it doesn't. It looks like when the abstraction is GOP, it registers all the xlet #s as -1, and it doesn't detect the bounding box of the object. (The latter because I'm looking for the text tag, which a gop box doesn't have.) I imagine Ivica's works because he's checking for tooltips on the c-side, and I'm checking on the tcl side. Pd-l2ork: Check whether there's an object or inlet under current mouse position. If there is, look for its tooltip text in the help patch, then draw the tooltip. Pd-ext: Trigger an event when the mouse hovers over an object or inlet that is _visible_ on the canvas. Look for the tooltip text in the help patch, then draw the tooltip. Pd-l2ork's approach is more robust-- for example, it's easier for him to enlarge the area that will register an xlet tooltip. Pd-extended's currently has what I think is the proper behavior, though-- you only show tooltips for objects that are visible to the user. If the patch author covers up an object with a [cnv], he/she is actively hiding that object, and it shouldn't register a tooltip. It's bad UI design to show a tooltip when the user can't see the thing it refers to. Anyway, I'll investigate and see if I can come up with a fix for the testing-abstration (sic) situation. But if you're putting [cnv] objects on top of xlets then they shouldn't respond to tooltips. That problem should be fixed at the source: xlets and object rectangle should always be at the top of the stacking order. (I guess there could also be an option for hiding xlets or the box, but that doesn't seem like a good idea for visual dataflow.) -Jonathan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] gem segfault when opening video
Hi, when opening a .mov file on pd-extended on linux, I get : verbose(5): gmerlin support verbose(5): quicktime4linux support [pix_film]: opening /home/charles/w/enversdudehors/endo/fev2013-2.mov with format 1908 [pix_film:track] No video decoder found for fourcc avc1 (0x61766331) track 0 does not contain a video-stream: skipping Pixelformat not specified for video frame verbose(5): gmerlin: succeeded [pix_film]: loaded file: /home/charles/w/enversdudehors/endo/fev2013-2.mov with 211432 frames (576x576) at 60.00 fps Segmentation fault (core dumped) On the command line, gmerlin fails to open the file as well, with the same message, but lqtplay is able to play the movie. However, it seems these messages are contradictory : [pix_film:track] No video decoder found for fourcc avc1 (0x61766331) verbose(5): gmerlin: succeeded I'm not sure it's a bug. Maybe there's a way to force pix_film to use a specific backend ? According to ffmpeg, the stream is : Video: h264 (Main) (avc1 / 0x31637661), yuv420p Thanks, -- Charles ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] some vanilla objects disappeared!
Hi, I use 0.43.4, which is installed on twoUbuntu12.04,from repositories, and I've just noticed some basic objects like [expr] and [cnv] 'couldn't create' on onesystem, but not on the other...?!? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Raspberry Pi : I²S audio codec ?
Hi, I just found this : http://www.openmusiclabs.com/projects/codec-shield/ Apparently the latest revision of the Pi has GPIO pins specifically for I²S (http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1929 , see Additional I/O expansion). Though i can't find anything on the web right now, it should be possible to connect this codec to the Pi, what do you think ? I m very excited but i reckon I have a lot to learn... Cheers, Pierre. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] some vanilla objects disappeared!
Either delete your preferences file, or go to the Preferences and click the new Reset to Defaults button. .hc On 02/18/2013 04:56 PM, Raphael Raccuia wrote: Hi, I use 0.43.4, which is installed on twoUbuntu12.04,from repositories, and I've just noticed some basic objects like [expr] and [cnv] 'couldn't create' on onesystem, but not on the other...?!? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Raspberry Pi : I²S audio codec ?
My guess is that you'll have better luck with USB devices. .hc On 02/18/2013 05:16 PM, Pierre Massat wrote: Hi, I just found this : http://www.openmusiclabs.com/projects/codec-shield/ Apparently the latest revision of the Pi has GPIO pins specifically for I²S (http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1929 , see Additional I/O expansion). Though i can't find anything on the web right now, it should be possible to connect this codec to the Pi, what do you think ? I m very excited but i reckon I have a lot to learn... Cheers, Pierre. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GUI abstraction issues
On 18/02/13 21:19, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2013-02-18 13:36, Esteban Viveros wrote: 2013/2/18 IOhannes m zmoelnigzmoel...@iem.at yes it is. You know someway to solve that issue?? currently the only way (i know of) is to make your [cnv] smal enough so that it doesn't hide the iolets. (or trust the user that they can connect without actually _seeing_ the iolets) or make little [cnv]s to indicate the iolets, then you can colour code them as well, if you are making that sort of interface Simon ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] some vanilla objects disappeared!
On 02/18/2013 22:56, Raphael Raccuia wrote: Hi, I use 0 . 43.4, which is inst alled on two Ubuntu 12.04, from repositories, and I've just notice d some basic objects like [expr] and [cnv] 'could n 't create' on one system, but not on the other... ?!? what is 0.43.4? Pd or Pd-extended? both have ubuntu packages. if it is Pd(vanilla), you will have to install puredata-extra, to get [expr]. fgmasdr IOhannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
