Re: [PD] Teaching Pd to Children
This sounds like a very cool project, please do keep us posted on it. I'd love to hear more about it. .hc On Jun 15, 2008, at 11:29 PM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote: Thanks so much for your comments everybody! I am still mulling over it, but I like the idea of using something like Squeak as well. I remember using a DSP software last year that was very children- oriented, but cannot for the life of me remember the name of the software or where to get it! As for Pd, I will be scouring for more resources. I'm thinking that fun is more important than math. After all, this IS summer school. As for what K-8 summer school is: K-8 is an age range from 5 years old (K, Kindergarden) to 13 years old (8, 8th grade). Summer school is an extra time for kids to catch up on learning when everyone else is on break in the US. Also, thanks Andy for providing such a wonderful resource! It's grown quite a bit since I first laid eyes on it. ~Kyle On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Peter Plessas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kyle Klipowicz wrote: Hello Listers~ I'm teaching a 1 month Summer school session for K-8 grade students and would like to include Pd for a mathematics learning tool. I am wondering if anyone else has done something similar, or has any links to DSP/ math related materials that would be suitable for this age group. Also, if anyone is sharing their lesson plans for Pd beginners, I would love to see something that I might be able to adapt for my students. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated, as kids often hate Summer school and I want to make this a fun activity for them. Make sure to tackle number ranges (mapping), like: Moving one slider up will make another one go down, but only half as far, etc... ~Kyle -- -- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list -- - - - -- http://perhapsidid.wordpress.com http://myspace.com/kyleklipowicz ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is publicity. - Bill Moyers ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Teaching Pd to Children
Thanks so much for your comments everybody! I am still mulling over it, but I like the idea of using something like Squeak as well. I remember using a DSP software last year that was very children-oriented, but cannot for the life of me remember the name of the software or where to get it! As for Pd, I will be scouring for more resources. I'm thinking that fun is more important than math. After all, this IS summer school. As for what K-8 summer school is: K-8 is an age range from 5 years old (K, Kindergarden) to 13 years old (8, 8th grade). Summer school is an extra time for kids to catch up on learning when everyone else is on break in the US. Also, thanks Andy for providing such a wonderful resource! It's grown quite a bit since I first laid eyes on it. ~Kyle On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Peter Plessas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kyle Klipowicz wrote: Hello Listers~ I'm teaching a 1 month Summer school session for K-8 grade students and would like to include Pd for a mathematics learning tool. I am wondering if anyone else has done something similar, or has any links to DSP/math related materials that would be suitable for this age group. Also, if anyone is sharing their lesson plans for Pd beginners, I would love to see something that I might be able to adapt for my students. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated, as kids often hate Summer school and I want to make this a fun activity for them. Make sure to tackle number ranges (mapping), like: Moving one slider up will make another one go down, but only half as far, etc... ~Kyle ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- - - - -- http://perhapsidid.wordpress.com http://myspace.com/kyleklipowicz ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Teaching Pd to Children
Kyle Klipowicz schreef: I remember using a DSP software last year that was very children-oriented, but cannot for the life of me remember the name of the software or where to get it! dsp? http://www.notam02.no/DSP02/en/ m -- http://www.mprims.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Teaching Pd to Children
Was it NOTAM? http://www.notam02.no/ On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 01:43:53 +0200 mik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kyle Klipowicz schreef: I remember using a DSP software last year that was very children-oriented, but cannot for the life of me remember the name of the software or where to get it! dsp? http://www.notam02.no/DSP02/en/ m -- http://www.mprims.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Use the source ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Teaching Pd to Children
YES!!! This was it! Thanks a ton. I think that this software might be a good fit. ~Kyle On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Andy Farnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was it NOTAM? http://www.notam02.no/ On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 01:43:53 +0200 mik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kyle Klipowicz schreef: I remember using a DSP software last year that was very children-oriented, but cannot for the life of me remember the name of the software or where to get it! dsp? http://www.notam02.no/DSP02/en/ m -- http://www.mprims.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Use the source -- - - - -- http://perhapsidid.wordpress.com http://myspace.com/kyleklipowicz ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Teaching Pd to Children
why don't you take a look at Squeak? ypatios [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any ideas would be greatly appreciated, as kids often hate Summer school and I want to make this a fun activity for them. Make sure you use coloured GUIs! :-) -- ypatios -- Patrick Pagano Sound and Light Technologist School of Theatre and Dance University of Florida ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Teaching Pd to Children
Kyle Klipowicz wrote: Hello Listers~ I'm teaching a 1 month Summer school session for K-8 grade students and would like to include Pd for a mathematics learning tool. I am wondering if anyone else has done something similar, or has any links to DSP/math related materials that would be suitable for this age group. Also, if anyone is sharing their lesson plans for Pd beginners, I would love to see something that I might be able to adapt for my students. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated, as kids often hate Summer school and I want to make this a fun activity for them. Make sure to tackle number ranges (mapping), like: Moving one slider up will make another one go down, but only half as far, etc... ~Kyle ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Teaching Pd to Children
Hello Listers~
I'm teaching a 1 month Summer school session for K-8 grade students and
would like to include Pd for a mathematics learning tool. I am wondering if
anyone else has done something similar, or has any links to DSP/math related
materials that would be suitable for this age group. Also, if anyone is
sharing their lesson plans for Pd beginners, I would love to see something
that I might be able to adapt for my students.
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated, as kids often hate Summer school and
I want to make this a fun activity for them.
~Kyle
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Any ideas would be greatly appreciated, as kids often hate Summer school and I want to make this a fun activity for them. Make sure you use coloured GUIs! :-) -- ypatios ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Teaching Pd to Children
Seems like a great opportunity for lots of fun Kyle. I suppose you might start with simple linear data flows in the message domain. Examples like Convert Fahrenheit to Celsius Convert Dollars to Euros Then plot them into graphs Up to then you can avoid triggers/ eval orders - once you have covered triggers you can do Find the average of N numbers Vector magnitude sqrt(x*x + y*y*) If you hide the innards of GEM and just call it a 'graphics output routine' you could do equations of circle etc. The beetle race and roulette wheel (on my site) were popular and generated lots of discussion. One example I thought would be easy actually turned out quite hard in Pd - a desktop calculator (definitely an advanced topic) On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:30:09 -0500 Kyle Klipowicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Listers~ I'm teaching a 1 month Summer school session for K-8 grade students and would like to include Pd for a mathematics learning tool. I am wondering if anyone else has done something similar, or has any links to DSP/math related materials that would be suitable for this age group. Also, if anyone is sharing their lesson plans for Pd beginners, I would love to see something that I might be able to adapt for my students. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated, as kids often hate Summer school and I want to make this a fun activity for them. ~Kyle -- - - - -- http://perhapsidid.wordpress.com http://myspace.com/kyleklipowicz -- Use the source ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Teaching Pd to Children
Hi Kyle, This is great! I have always thought PD was a great was to teach children the bridge between math and art I actually once gave my children (2 girls, 6 and 8 at the time) a brief PD tutorial and found them to be very creative and intuitive with the limited objects that I exposed them to. I just showed them how to create objects, messages, bangs and number boxes and then how to patch them together - all through the menu, no key shortcuts. Then I gave them a few of the simplest object names (osc~, metro, random, dac~) and taught them a little randomization synth and how to create sounds with a number box + osc~ all very simple stuff. Then I introduced the math objects (+, -, *, /) - nothing too fancy. And that was it for lesson One! They played with this for a couple hours and built a really interesting patch that made some fun sound... they loved it and I found that with just a few simple tools children can really begin to experiment in different ways than we can - maybe they do not have the same institutional exposure of 'the right way' and 'the wrong way'? I have found that any method children can utilize to learn through personal exploration and ENJOY learning is the 'right' way to learn... After a bit you can see when they start to become a little bored and that is when you can begin to introduce new concepts and objects to keep their attention... Worked for me! This is just my personal case-study. It would be interesting if you documented your experiences in a research study maybe? PD and primary school education? It would be a good study for 'Studies in Art Education' or a similar education based journal cheers mark mark edward grimm | m.f.a | ed.m --- On Fri, 6/13/08, Kyle Klipowicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Kyle Klipowicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PD] Teaching Pd to Children To: PDlist pd-list@iem.at Date: Friday, June 13, 2008, 2:30 PM Hello Listers~ I'm teaching a 1 month Summer school session for K-8 grade students and would like to include Pd for a mathematics learning tool. I am wondering if anyone else has done something similar, or has any links to DSP/math related materials that would be suitable for this age group. Also, if anyone is sharing their lesson plans for Pd beginners, I would love to see something that I might be able to adapt for my students. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated, as kids often hate Summer school and I want to make this a fun activity for them. ~Kyle -- - - - -- http://perhapsidid.wordpress.com http://myspace.com/kyleklipowicz___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Teaching Pd to Children
Lau I think ( I do hope I'm right) you may have meant to
reply list, so returning + list.
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:11:44 +0200
Lau Llobet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would take advantage of the easy interface with midi and audio.
I would start with adc and dac and let them play with the feedback
Then with some headphones let them play with stereo : one sings to a mic,
the other sends data to one or other channel and a third one listens to the
headphones
Plug a Vslider to an osc and phasor so they can make it whisle
Use fiddle and send the note to a midiout
If you have a midi interface the thing can get funnier !
Oh yes, now I remember, a lot of fun we had with USB toys, joysticks,
steering wheels etc. Und of course now you have Wii controllers.
Man, I wish we did maths that way when I was a kid!
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 8:59 PM, Andy Farnell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Seems like a great opportunity for lots of fun Kyle.
I suppose you might start with simple linear data flows
in the message domain. Examples like
Convert Fahrenheit to Celsius
Convert Dollars to Euros
Then plot them into graphs
Up to then you can avoid triggers/ eval orders - once you
have covered triggers you can do
Find the average of N numbers
Vector magnitude sqrt(x*x + y*y*)
If you hide the innards of GEM and just call it a 'graphics
output routine' you could do equations of circle etc.
The beetle race and roulette wheel (on my site) were popular
and generated lots of discussion.
One example I thought would be easy actually turned out
quite hard in Pd - a desktop calculator (definitely an
advanced topic)
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:30:09 -0500
Kyle Klipowicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello Listers~
I'm teaching a 1 month Summer school session for K-8 grade students and
would like to include Pd for a mathematics learning tool. I am wondering
if
anyone else has done something similar, or has any links to DSP/math
related
materials that would be suitable for this age group. Also, if anyone is
sharing their lesson plans for Pd beginners, I would love to see
something
that I might be able to adapt for my students.
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated, as kids often hate Summer school
and
I want to make this a fun activity for them.
~Kyle
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Re: [PD] Teaching Pd to Children
if you want to use pd, then why not teach sound and video? I think you can keep kids busy just by very simple soundin/out patches with adjustable parameters. kids love to play with their voice and some cheap fx (reverb...) although they are always shy in the beginning, esp. girls. record and reverse playback 3-4 seconds later is also quite fun (trying to talk backwards). pitch shifters and formant shifters (is there something native in pd?) are also fun. maybe they want to create radio plays, make sure to bring all your sound effect libraries... (any sequencer program is better suited than pd in this case). drum sequencers are another fun toy. if you want to include visual stuff too, then if you have videocameras, show them some video patches. there are nice stop motion patches in the gem help, kids can create some handdrawn animations with that, or use toys to replay their favorite tv series. or maybe you can even build a small reactable. if you show them some art pieces, maybe they get inspired and want to produce similar stuff? ok, but you said you wanted to teach math. no idea for that.. marius. Kyle Klipowicz wrote: Hello Listers~ I'm teaching a 1 month Summer school session for K-8 grade students and would like to include Pd for a mathematics learning tool. I am wondering if anyone else has done something similar, or has any links to DSP/math related materials that would be suitable for this age group. Also, if anyone is sharing their lesson plans for Pd beginners, I would love to see something that I might be able to adapt for my students. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated, as kids often hate Summer school and I want to make this a fun activity for them. ~Kyle -- - - - -- http://perhapsidid.wordpress.com http://myspace.com/kyleklipowicz ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Teaching Pd - student's log their research
Thanks for postng these, they are very interesting to anyone doing Pd teaching. On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 05:50:40 -0500 Greg Pond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ed, Thanks for directing me to the site for your course. I have been working to develop an integrated program involving the departments of art, music, computer science and physics at the small college where I work. Pd is a core component of this collaboration. It is really helpful to see how you structure your teaching. Greg On 9/16/07, Ed Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Greg, That's really interesting. I think from a teaching point of view the whole reflective journal approach is a good idea, and a web/wiki approach seems to be the most logical way to do this with a technology-related course. Best, Ed PS you can have a look at the short synthesis course I taught last year at http://sharktracks.co.uk/lcc/fda_2006/ - it was perhaps a bit too fast for the students, and I will be re-capping at the start of the coming term. Greg Pond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A colleague just sent me this from the Smith College CS department site: http://cs.smith.edu/student_research.php there are a couple of undergraduate student's Pd research projects described there in a week by week diary format. It may be useful to some of you teaching in similar environments. Greg ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Lone Shark Aviation out now on http://www.pyramidtransmissions.com http://www.myspace.com/sharktracks Try Yahoo! Mail now with Unlimited Storage and see the difference. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Use the source ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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Hi Greg, That's really interesting. I think from a teaching point of view the whole reflective journal approach is a good idea, and a web/wiki approach seems to be the most logical way to do this with a technology-related course. Best, Ed PS you can have a look at the short synthesis course I taught last year at http://sharktracks.co.uk/lcc/fda_2006/ - it was perhaps a bit too fast for the students, and I will be re-capping at the start of the coming term. Greg Pond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A colleague just sent me this from the Smith College CS department site: http://cs.smith.edu/student_research.php there are a couple of undergraduate student's Pd research projects described there in a week by week diary format. It may be useful to some of you teaching in similar environments. Greg ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Lone Shark Aviation out now on http://www.pyramidtransmissions.com http://www.myspace.com/sharktracks - Try Yahoo! Mail now with Unlimited Storage and see the difference.___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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Ed, Thanks for directing me to the site for your course. I have been working to develop an integrated program involving the departments of art, music, computer science and physics at the small college where I work. Pd is a core component of this collaboration. It is really helpful to see how you structure your teaching. Greg On 9/16/07, Ed Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Greg, That's really interesting. I think from a teaching point of view the whole reflective journal approach is a good idea, and a web/wiki approach seems to be the most logical way to do this with a technology-related course. Best, Ed PS you can have a look at the short synthesis course I taught last year at http://sharktracks.co.uk/lcc/fda_2006/ - it was perhaps a bit too fast for the students, and I will be re-capping at the start of the coming term. Greg Pond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A colleague just sent me this from the Smith College CS department site: http://cs.smith.edu/student_research.php there are a couple of undergraduate student's Pd research projects described there in a week by week diary format. It may be useful to some of you teaching in similar environments. Greg ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Lone Shark Aviation out now on http://www.pyramidtransmissions.com http://www.myspace.com/sharktracks Try Yahoo! Mail now with Unlimited Storage and see the difference. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Teaching Pd - student's log their research
A colleague just sent me this from the Smith College CS department site: http://cs.smith.edu/student_research.php there are a couple of undergraduate student's Pd research projects described there in a week by week diary format. It may be useful to some of you teaching in similar environments. Greg ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Teaching Pd
Thanks guys for your feedback! I'm trying to explore what my best usages of Pd have been, and what I might have to offer to people starting out. Your tips will go a long way! ~Kyle On 6/24/07, Andy Farnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:18:23 -0500 Kyle Klipowicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List~ I'm curious about teaching Pd to interested people, and know that a number of you have given workshops on the subject. I could really use some collective wisdom on this. Teaching Pd is something I really enjoy. What I've seen so far are great differences in audience goals and the need to prepare and research exactly who you are talking to and why, because Pd has such wide applications. Look for your own niche skill that Pd allows you to express and use that as a guide. What methods do you use to structure and communicate your course material? How do you market it within the city that you are teaching? What sorts of materials do you use? Often people bring their own laptops and headphones. The best format imho is lots of practical elements, short exercises that can be done individually or in small groups, keep dove-tailing talk time with hacking time. If machines are available but are administrated workstations it helps to take live CD environments so you aren't treading on anyones toes having groups of students install stuff. Or make sure whoever invited you or organised the talk has done the groundwork for any practical element. A copy of PureDyne is useful, with the patches used in a workshop handed out on thumbdrive, by web-site or burned into the distro. For the cost and time it takes to run off a dozen copies it's worth it for everyone to take home a workable Pd environment for the PC. I guess it depends on whether you're teaching audio, video or physical computing what needs and priorities you might have. For audio I always want a good stereo sound system and a pocket mixer is a useful gadget. For Gem/Visual presentations I suppose you'd spend more thought on the beamer resolution and framerate. For physical you need desk space where people can play with components and wires. Often it's requested that laptop users install Pd on their machines and get it running before coming to a session, that way everyone is ready to go *and* they can take their work home with them. What makes it fun imho, and possible to make focused presentations, is the flexibility of Pd as a teaching tool... it's almost designed for the job! Using Pd itself as the presentation tool, making folders of patches that are linked as slides, and having it self document to pdf handouts and html resources are things I've put a bit of thought into. It's nice if you have a LAN available so you can go into the network parts of Pd. A good finale is to get everyone jamming with some OSC net-pd type patches linked together. For finding audiences, I think the same as Alexandres advice, technical and art colleges and universities doing interactive design, music technology and courses like that. I specialise in audio so I try to use Pd as a vehicle to teach it, rather than generally all about puredata which is quite beyond me. And also try to get groups of producers from standard industry roles interested too, Pd is obviously very enabling in radio, TV, film, animation, games and theatre. To teach Pd generally, finding colleagues is as important as finding audiences. I don't think anybody could tackle the entirety of Pd and it's applications alone without it being a very dull, highly structured and long exercise. I sometimes pair with someone who is teaching visuals or composition or something else that complements my stuff on audio synth. Work together to put on events. With groups of more than 15-20 having a buddy as an extra demonstrator/helper in practicals is essential or you can't give everyone enough 1 to 1 contact time. Best all round Pd presentation I have attended was organised by goto10 at space studios as a summer school with several specialised Pd users teaching individual areas in a structured programme so that the whole 2 week event became more than the sum of its parts. my waffling 2c... hope that helps Andy -- Use the source ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- - - - -- http://perhapsidid.wordpress.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:18:23 -0500 Kyle Klipowicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List~ I'm curious about teaching Pd to interested people, and know that a number of you have given workshops on the subject. I could really use some collective wisdom on this. Teaching Pd is something I really enjoy. What I've seen so far are great differences in audience goals and the need to prepare and research exactly who you are talking to and why, because Pd has such wide applications. Look for your own niche skill that Pd allows you to express and use that as a guide. What methods do you use to structure and communicate your course material? How do you market it within the city that you are teaching? What sorts of materials do you use? Often people bring their own laptops and headphones. The best format imho is lots of practical elements, short exercises that can be done individually or in small groups, keep dove-tailing talk time with hacking time. If machines are available but are administrated workstations it helps to take live CD environments so you aren't treading on anyones toes having groups of students install stuff. Or make sure whoever invited you or organised the talk has done the groundwork for any practical element. A copy of PureDyne is useful, with the patches used in a workshop handed out on thumbdrive, by web-site or burned into the distro. For the cost and time it takes to run off a dozen copies it's worth it for everyone to take home a workable Pd environment for the PC. I guess it depends on whether you're teaching audio, video or physical computing what needs and priorities you might have. For audio I always want a good stereo sound system and a pocket mixer is a useful gadget. For Gem/Visual presentations I suppose you'd spend more thought on the beamer resolution and framerate. For physical you need desk space where people can play with components and wires. Often it's requested that laptop users install Pd on their machines and get it running before coming to a session, that way everyone is ready to go *and* they can take their work home with them. What makes it fun imho, and possible to make focused presentations, is the flexibility of Pd as a teaching tool... it's almost designed for the job! Using Pd itself as the presentation tool, making folders of patches that are linked as slides, and having it self document to pdf handouts and html resources are things I've put a bit of thought into. It's nice if you have a LAN available so you can go into the network parts of Pd. A good finale is to get everyone jamming with some OSC net-pd type patches linked together. For finding audiences, I think the same as Alexandres advice, technical and art colleges and universities doing interactive design, music technology and courses like that. I specialise in audio so I try to use Pd as a vehicle to teach it, rather than generally all about puredata which is quite beyond me. And also try to get groups of producers from standard industry roles interested too, Pd is obviously very enabling in radio, TV, film, animation, games and theatre. To teach Pd generally, finding colleagues is as important as finding audiences. I don't think anybody could tackle the entirety of Pd and it's applications alone without it being a very dull, highly structured and long exercise. I sometimes pair with someone who is teaching visuals or composition or something else that complements my stuff on audio synth. Work together to put on events. With groups of more than 15-20 having a buddy as an extra demonstrator/helper in practicals is essential or you can't give everyone enough 1 to 1 contact time. Best all round Pd presentation I have attended was organised by goto10 at space studios as a summer school with several specialised Pd users teaching individual areas in a structured programme so that the whole 2 week event became more than the sum of its parts. my waffling 2c... hope that helps Andy -- Use the source ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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Hi Kyle and the list, 2007/6/20, Kyle Klipowicz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi List~ I'm curious about teaching Pd to interested people, and know that a number of you have given workshops on the subject. I could really use some collective wisdom on this. What methods do you use to structure and communicate your course material? How do you market it within the city that you are teaching? What sorts of materials do you use? Artists centers are great. Pd is free as in beer and speech. It is good to explain much how the GUI works, and to help the students to create a common patch (everyone the same) step by step. Go deeply into one instead on trying to cover too much. You can go as far as dollar signs and such in one day, but stick with one or two patches together as a group. You can start with a few examples though. (not goind in too much detail in their explanation) I found this wiki page that has some tutorials http://wiki.dataflow.ws/PdMtlAbstractions/Contents. Is there any other It is a library. Of course you can look in the abstractions files to understand how they work. We would like to have more users in it, and I would like to make it a standard pd library / namespace with categories for even externals some day, in not too long. information about teaching Pd that has been posted? It would be great if there were a space dedicated to Pd-educators to know the tried and true methods of communicating the ideas to new students. For now : http://wiki.dataflow.ws/TeachingPureData ... I know I should use puredata.info, but I am really in love with this little Moinmoin wiki on dataflow.ws ! -- Alexandre Quessy http://alexandre.quessy.net http://www.puredata.info/Members/aalex ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Teaching Pd
Hi List~ I'm curious about teaching Pd to interested people, and know that a number of you have given workshops on the subject. I could really use some collective wisdom on this. What methods do you use to structure and communicate your course material? How do you market it within the city that you are teaching? What sorts of materials do you use? I found this wiki page that has some tutorials http://wiki.dataflow.ws/PdMtlAbstractions/Contents. Is there any other information about teaching Pd that has been posted? It would be great if there were a space dedicated to Pd-educators to know the tried and true methods of communicating the ideas to new students. Thanks! ~Kyle -- - - - -- http://perhapsidid.wordpress.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] teaching PD at a distance
Hi guys,
Anyone here ever teach pd or other FOSS programmes remotely?
Aalex and I are working on a pilot project with two artist-run centres in
Canada to see what works best for teaching pd at a distance.
We have had one in person session with the students (who are mainly visual
artists) and we are now under way with the remote part of it all. We have
set up an irc channel (#pd-prairies), a mailing list (
[EMAIL PROTECTED] )and we are having them contribute to a wiki
(all of which they seem relatively to be comfortable with).
Anyone here ever use any FOSS software to facilitate teaching/ learning at a
distance? We turned to skype for the first remote session but obviously ran
into issues with the we visual side of things (we ended up sounding like
robots when the web cam was in use so in the end we only used
voice...collective blind patching is an interesting experience ;-)
We will be writing a report at the end of the project for those of you who
are interested.
Kindly,
Darsha
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Re: [PD] teaching PD at a distance
Hi Darsha, i once remember seeing a virtual talk of i think Ben Bogart, who had his desktop relayed via VNC, streamed his voice and the output of his patch via an audio stream and was receiving questions and responses via an irc channel. This worked out quite good. If you want to give it a try, let's arrange a date/time to do so? lg, PP darsha hewitt wrote: Hi guys, Anyone here ever teach pd or other FOSS programmes remotely? Aalex and I are working on a pilot project with two artist-run centres in Canada to see what works best for teaching pd at a distance. We have had one in person session with the students (who are mainly visual artists) and we are now under way with the remote part of it all. We have set up an irc channel (#pd-prairies), a mailing list ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] )and we are having them contribute to a wiki (all of which they seem relatively to be comfortable with). Anyone here ever use any FOSS software to facilitate teaching/ learning at a distance? We turned to skype for the first remote session but obviously ran into issues with the we visual side of things (we ended up sounding like robots when the web cam was in use so in the end we only used voice...collective blind patching is an interesting experience ;-) We will be writing a report at the end of the project for those of you who are interested. Kindly, Darsha ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] teaching PD at a distance
hello On Mon, 2007-05-14 at 12:04 -0400, darsha hewitt wrote: Hi guys, Anyone here ever teach pd or other FOSS programmes remotely? i know a teacher from the 'royal welsh college of music and drama' [1], who is sometimes using netpd in order to have lessons with his students remotely (some of his students have been guest students in wales and are at home now). if you are interested, i might give you the contact (after his agreement). the main goal of netpd, when using it as a remote teaching tool, is that you can easily share patches. you cannot edit patches synchronously on different computers, but if someone made some changes to it, she/he just needs to change the version tag and then, after a reload, it gets uploaded to everyone's else computer again. there is no audio streaming functionality implemented yet in netpd. but you can either chat using _chat.pd, that comes with netpd, or, if that is too awkward, there is also irc. roman [1] http://www.rwcmd.ac.uk/ ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] teaching PD at a distance
My bro and I wrote serendiPd a few years ago with the idea of working
on the same patch together at the same time. It works as a proof-of-
concept, and with some more work, it might be a usable tool:
http://at.or.at/serendipd/
The tricky part that needs to be worked out is controlled who can
edit at a given moment.
.hc
On May 14, 2007, at 12:04 PM, darsha hewitt wrote:
Hi guys,
Anyone here ever teach pd or other FOSS programmes remotely?
Aalex and I are working on a pilot project with two artist-run
centres in Canada to see what works best for teaching pd at a
distance.
We have had one in person session with the students (who are mainly
visual artists) and we are now under way with the remote part of it
all. We have set up an irc channel (#pd-prairies), a mailing list
([EMAIL PROTECTED] )and we are having them contribute
to a wiki (all of which they seem relatively to be comfortable with).
Anyone here ever use any FOSS software to facilitate teaching/
learning at a distance? We turned to skype for the first remote
session but obviously ran into issues with the we visual side of
things (we ended up sounding like robots when the web cam was in
use so in the end we only used voice...collective blind patching is
an interesting experience ;-)
We will be writing a report at the end of the project for those of
you who are interested.
Kindly,
Darsha
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Hi,
I have some expierience now with video conferencing for classes, with
both teachers and students online. I would like to share my experiences,
but sinsce we were using mac's ichat and did not vnc a screencapture I
am not sure if that is of interest for you.
we never had more that 4 parties involved, since the core class still
was gathering at one place. students were using a group chat, but the
teacher was not actively chatting only sometimes posting a link.
anyway the sound and video quality was quite good...
files (patches) should be prepared online, downloadable and run locally.
I think it is very hard to manage the backflow information, like when
people are patching locally and run into problems. you could use
screenshots for that or a webcam on a cable, but both is only a hack. I
don't know if it is possible to integrate a vnc kind of screen video
into a skype or ichat session, anyway that would be a way to go...
how many people do you want to be in such a remote teaching session?
marius.
darsha hewitt wrote:
Hi guys,
Anyone here ever teach pd or other FOSS programmes remotely?
Aalex and I are working on a pilot project with two artist-run centres
in Canada to see what works best for teaching pd at a distance.
We have had one in person session with the students (who are mainly
visual artists) and we are now under way with the remote part of it
all. We have set up an irc channel (#pd-prairies), a mailing list
([EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)and we are having them contribute to a wiki (all of which they seem
relatively to be comfortable with).
Anyone here ever use any FOSS software to facilitate teaching/ learning
at a distance? We turned to skype for the first remote session but
obviously ran into issues with the we visual side of things (we ended up
sounding like robots when the web cam was in use so in the end we only
used voice...collective blind patching is an interesting experience ;-)
We will be writing a report at the end of the project for those of you
who are interested.
Kindly,
Darsha
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Re: [PD] teaching PD at a distance
Hi,
I have thought about using recordmydesktop to create little
screencasts, but they would still need to be converted or edited a
minimum. That is not live. VNC could work, but this is a bit
Windows-ish, no? Screenshots are ok, but we would be better off making
them in advance, if we want to be able to talk at the same time...
Remote X (ssh -X) sessions are useless, because they would not see
what we do... Maybe we could ssh a session on their computer and start
pd on their X11 session... They could grab it with a web cam and
stream us the result... And we could talk to them using something like
jack-udp and pd.
At least, I can say that preparing a few patches is quite good for
remote workshops. Also, asking them to ask their questions on IRC is
the best thing, I find.
So, I think that Ben Bogart's way (VNC + voice + IRC) is the way to
go. Got to read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC
Do you guys think that Pd + jack-udp is faster than Skype ? (skype is
proprietary, also...)
a
2007/5/14, marius schebella [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hi,
I have some expierience now with video conferencing for classes, with
both teachers and students online. I would like to share my experiences,
but sinsce we were using mac's ichat and did not vnc a screencapture I
am not sure if that is of interest for you.
we never had more that 4 parties involved, since the core class still
was gathering at one place. students were using a group chat, but the
teacher was not actively chatting only sometimes posting a link.
anyway the sound and video quality was quite good...
files (patches) should be prepared online, downloadable and run locally.
I think it is very hard to manage the backflow information, like when
people are patching locally and run into problems. you could use
screenshots for that or a webcam on a cable, but both is only a hack. I
don't know if it is possible to integrate a vnc kind of screen video
into a skype or ichat session, anyway that would be a way to go...
how many people do you want to be in such a remote teaching session?
marius.
darsha hewitt wrote:
Hi guys,
Anyone here ever teach pd or other FOSS programmes remotely?
Aalex and I are working on a pilot project with two artist-run centres
in Canada to see what works best for teaching pd at a distance.
We have had one in person session with the students (who are mainly
visual artists) and we are now under way with the remote part of it
all. We have set up an irc channel (#pd-prairies), a mailing list
([EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)and we are having them contribute to a wiki (all of which they seem
relatively to be comfortable with).
Anyone here ever use any FOSS software to facilitate teaching/ learning
at a distance? We turned to skype for the first remote session but
obviously ran into issues with the we visual side of things (we ended up
sounding like robots when the web cam was in use so in the end we only
used voice...collective blind patching is an interesting experience ;-)
We will be writing a report at the end of the project for those of you
who are interested.
Kindly,
Darsha
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