Re: [PD] choosing your language at launch WAS: Japanese Pure Data book is out now.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-03-04 06:55, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: You just demonstrated a simple yet effective way to force Pd in English on any system: remove the translation files in the po/ folder, i.e. ja.msg, etc. i just wanted to point out (the quite obvious): this method won't work if multiple users share the same installation of Pd. it also won't work, if the more technical people don't have root access on the machine they work on (i'm still reluctant to give in to the w95 personal computer mood, where everybody that has access to the screen (or less) is also granted admin priviliges) fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk9UdVUACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvRwLACguihkCZRxgkcKw4dsVb6gtjVx EUIAoMa3qLzGjIBp4+QOz09A/eGQbBj2 =7HSp -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] choosing your language at launch WAS: Japanese Pure Data book is out now.
Hey Sei, Removing the .msg file from the pd/po folder will also work on Windows and GNU/Linux. On Windows it would be like this in the cmd.exe: del %ProgramFiles%\pd\po\ja.msg On GNU/Linux it would be like this: sudo rm /usr/lib/pdextended/po/ja.msg. And on Mac OS X: sudo rm /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/po/ja.msg That might make a good FAQ entry if anyone wanted to add it. .hc On Mar 4, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Seiichiro MATSUMURA wrote: Hi Hans, Based on that guess, then the idea would be to make it use the translations by default, then provide instructions for the more technical people to switch to English. I see. That suggestion the other way round is reasonable. You just demonstrated a simple yet effective way to force Pd in English on any system: remove the translation files in the po/ folder, i.e. ja.msg, etc. It sounds a very nice solution, simple and easy. I tested it on OSX and it works quite fine, now. Thank you. Is this way also working on Windows? Unfortunately I can't test this on Windows and Linux at here. I hope they would work fine too eventually. In addition, I finished checking all parts of Japanese UI on OSX and I think no problems happening. Best wishes, Sei Matsumura s...@low-tech-ism.com 2012年3月4日14:55 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at: Glad it worked out. About handling the translations, I don't really have a good sense of who will want to use it in their native language and who in English. My guess is that the more technical people will be using Pd in English, and the less technical would use Pd in their native language. Based on that guess, then the idea would be to make it use the translations by default, then provide instructions for the more technical people to switch to English. You just demonstrated a simple yet effective way to force Pd in English on any system: remove the translation files in the po/ folder, i.e. ja.msg, etc. .hc On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:42 AM, Seiichiro MATSUMURA wrote: Hi Hans, Sorry, I misread your instruction. It was for how to make ja.msg file from ja.po file then to import it to Pd-extended0.43.app downloaded from nightly build. (I thought I needed to build app by myself.) Now, I can run Pd-extended0.43.1.app with Japanese UI. (see attached pic.) This is amazing! I can do fully checking. BTW, this is just a suggestion about language mode. If it is difficult to put language select pull-down menu in preferences, how is about not including all the language files in po folder of Pd-extended.app as default? It means the default language is English and installing the other language ~.msg files are optional. Users can download the language ~.msg file and put it in Pd-extended.app/Contents/resources/po folder under the instruction as they want it. It is not difficult even for non-geek people. This is like OpenOffice language plug-in files style. How do you think? Best, Sei Matsumura --- s...@low-tech-ism.com --- 2012年3月2日9:48 Seiichiro MATSUMURA s...@low-tech-ism.com: Thank you for the precise instruction. I could trace this but could not make Pd-extended0.43.app in the end. I can run pd unix file in pd-extended/src folder and see ja.msg is working partly, not all functions are working correctly like Bang button object is missing, Vslider is missing, etc. I need to check all the Japanese translated menu and indication in all the properties windows. Do I have to do any other steps for building Pd-extended0.43.app? I already check INSTALL.txt in pd-extended folder and this article but could not accomplish it. http://puredata.info/docs/developer/BuildingPdExtended Best, Sei Matsumura --- s...@low-tech-ism.com --- 2012年2月25日6:56 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at: I was updating pd-extended.git, so I threw in the new Japanese translation :-). I'll be sure to update it one last time before the final release, so you can test it in a real build. I'm all for choice with the language of the app, but it seems to me that is something that the OS should handle. So anyone who set their system language to English will get Pd-extended in English. For those who want some mix of languages, then there is no standard technique that I know of, and how you do it varies on each OS. If someone wants to code this for Pd-extended, patches are welcome. For the geeks, you can select the language easily when launching Pd from the terminal. This is what I do for testing the language support: $ export LANG=en $ /usr/bin/pd-extended or on Mac OS X: $ /Applications/Pd-extended/Contents/Resources/bin/pd You can see the supported languages in the po/ folder inside Pd. .hc On 02/23/2012 11:54 PM, Seiichiro MATSUMURA wrote: Thanks. I finished Transifex work in Japanese 100%. Then I was surprised my partly inputs of Transifex in middle of Feb. is already reflected in
Re: [PD] choosing your language at launch WAS: Japanese Pure Data book is out now.
Hi Hans, Based on that guess, then the idea would be to make it use the translations by default, then provide instructions for the more technical people to switch to English. I see. That suggestion the other way round is reasonable. You just demonstrated a simple yet effective way to force Pd in English on any system: remove the translation files in the po/ folder, i.e. ja.msg, etc. It sounds a very nice solution, simple and easy. I tested it on OSX and it works quite fine, now. Thank you. Is this way also working on Windows? Unfortunately I can't test this on Windows and Linux at here. I hope they would work fine too eventually. In addition, I finished checking all parts of Japanese UI on OSX and I think no problems happening. Best wishes, Sei Matsumura s...@low-tech-ism.com 2012年3月4日14:55 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at: Glad it worked out. About handling the translations, I don't really have a good sense of who will want to use it in their native language and who in English. My guess is that the more technical people will be using Pd in English, and the less technical would use Pd in their native language. Based on that guess, then the idea would be to make it use the translations by default, then provide instructions for the more technical people to switch to English. You just demonstrated a simple yet effective way to force Pd in English on any system: remove the translation files in the po/ folder, i.e. ja.msg, etc. .hc On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:42 AM, Seiichiro MATSUMURA wrote: Hi Hans, Sorry, I misread your instruction. It was for how to make ja.msg file from ja.po file then to import it to Pd-extended0.43.app downloaded from nightly build. (I thought I needed to build app by myself.) Now, I can run Pd-extended0.43.1.app with Japanese UI. (see attached pic.) This is amazing! I can do fully checking. BTW, this is just a suggestion about language mode. If it is difficult to put language select pull-down menu in preferences, how is about not including all the language files in po folder of Pd-extended.app as default? It means the default language is English and installing the other language ~.msg files are optional. Users can download the language ~.msg file and put it in Pd-extended.app/Contents/resources/po folder under the instruction as they want it. It is not difficult even for non-geek people. This is like OpenOffice language plug-in files style. How do you think? Best, Sei Matsumura --- s...@low-tech-ism.com --- 2012年3月2日9:48 Seiichiro MATSUMURA s...@low-tech-ism.com: Thank you for the precise instruction. I could trace this but could not make Pd-extended0.43.app in the end. I can run pd unix file in pd-extended/src folder and see ja.msg is working partly, not all functions are working correctly like Bang button object is missing, Vslider is missing, etc. I need to check all the Japanese translated menu and indication in all the properties windows. Do I have to do any other steps for building Pd-extended0.43.app? I already check INSTALL.txt in pd-extended folder and this article but could not accomplish it. http://puredata.info/docs/developer/BuildingPdExtended Best, Sei Matsumura --- s...@low-tech-ism.com --- 2012年2月25日6:56 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at: I was updating pd-extended.git, so I threw in the new Japanese translation :-). I'll be sure to update it one last time before the final release, so you can test it in a real build. I'm all for choice with the language of the app, but it seems to me that is something that the OS should handle. So anyone who set their system language to English will get Pd-extended in English. For those who want some mix of languages, then there is no standard technique that I know of, and how you do it varies on each OS. If someone wants to code this for Pd-extended, patches are welcome. For the geeks, you can select the language easily when launching Pd from the terminal. This is what I do for testing the language support: $ export LANG=en $ /usr/bin/pd-extended or on Mac OS X: $ /Applications/Pd-extended/Contents/Resources/bin/pd You can see the supported languages in the po/ folder inside Pd. .hc On 02/23/2012 11:54 PM, Seiichiro MATSUMURA wrote: Thanks. I finished Transifex work in Japanese 100%. Then I was surprised my partly inputs of Transifex in middle of Feb. is already reflected in 0.43.1-beta 20120223. However, it seems working automatic depends on system language of OSX, now. I think it would be nice if users can select language mode in Preferences, for example like Audacity's language setting. Because many Japanese users (especially geeks) already get used to the general English menu and interfaces. Of course, Japanese interfaces is truly helpful for Japanese Pd newbies. So languages selectable is the ideal. Cheers, Sei Matsumura -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/
Re: [PD] choosing your language at launch WAS: Japanese Pure Data book is out now.
morning all, apologies for missing this the first time around, and for reviving the topic if the question has already been addressed, but... On 2012-02-25 17:59, András Murányi wrote: If you want the *whole* app to change language, I'm pretty sure it will need to be restarted. Then I guess an equivalent of export LANG can be issued from tcl (and/or C?) at startup. (Could someone with the knowledge confirm/correct this plz?) you can use the [locale] object (probable moocow/locale in pd-extended) to set C99 locale stuff like LANG (or more POSIXly correct, LC_ALL). Use it like: [set LC_ALL de_DE.UTF-8, set LC_NUMERIC C( | [locale] ... note that it's important to keep LC_NUMERIC=C in order to avoid parse errors for locales with funny floating-point conventions (such as de_DE, which uses the comma as a floating-point separator). The C equivalent is just: #include locale.h setlocale(LC_ALL,de_DE.UTF-8); setlocale(LC_NUMERIC,C); Not sure if this helps with changing the gettext-lookups for the running process though; maybe follow it up with an exec() ? marmosets, Bryan -- Bryan Jurish There is *always* one more bug. moocow.bov...@gmail.com -Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic Entomology ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] choosing your language at launch WAS: Japanese Pure Data book is out now.
On 2012-02-24 23:11, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Just setting the 2-letter language code is usually wrong, because most people want to also have the country code and encoding as well. For example : export LANG=fr_CA.utf8 selects French, Canada and Unicode UTF-8 all at once. ... unless you've done something like export LC_CTYPE=en_US.ISO-8859-1 or export LC_ALL=C when no one was looking ;-) marmosets, Bryan -- Bryan Jurish There is *always* one more bug. moocow.bov...@gmail.com -Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic Entomology ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] choosing your language at launch WAS: Japanese Pure Data book is out now.
Glad it worked out. About handling the translations, I don't really have a good sense of who will want to use it in their native language and who in English. My guess is that the more technical people will be using Pd in English, and the less technical would use Pd in their native language. Based on that guess, then the idea would be to make it use the translations by default, then provide instructions for the more technical people to switch to English. You just demonstrated a simple yet effective way to force Pd in English on any system: remove the translation files in the po/ folder, i.e. ja.msg, etc. .hc On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:42 AM, Seiichiro MATSUMURA wrote: Hi Hans, Sorry, I misread your instruction. It was for how to make ja.msg file from ja.po file then to import it to Pd-extended0.43.app downloaded from nightly build. (I thought I needed to build app by myself.) Now, I can run Pd-extended0.43.1.app with Japanese UI. (see attached pic.) This is amazing! I can do fully checking. BTW, this is just a suggestion about language mode. If it is difficult to put language select pull-down menu in preferences, how is about not including all the language files in po folder of Pd-extended.app as default? It means the default language is English and installing the other language ~.msg files are optional. Users can download the language ~.msg file and put it in Pd-extended.app/Contents/resources/po folder under the instruction as they want it. It is not difficult even for non-geek people. This is like OpenOffice language plug-in files style. How do you think? Best, Sei Matsumura --- s...@low-tech-ism.com --- 2012年3月2日9:48 Seiichiro MATSUMURA s...@low-tech-ism.com: Thank you for the precise instruction. I could trace this but could not make Pd-extended0.43.app in the end. I can run pd unix file in pd-extended/src folder and see ja.msg is working partly, not all functions are working correctly like Bang button object is missing, Vslider is missing, etc. I need to check all the Japanese translated menu and indication in all the properties windows. Do I have to do any other steps for building Pd-extended0.43.app? I already check INSTALL.txt in pd-extended folder and this article but could not accomplish it. http://puredata.info/docs/developer/BuildingPdExtended Best, Sei Matsumura --- s...@low-tech-ism.com --- 2012年2月25日6:56 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at: I was updating pd-extended.git, so I threw in the new Japanese translation :-). I'll be sure to update it one last time before the final release, so you can test it in a real build. I'm all for choice with the language of the app, but it seems to me that is something that the OS should handle. So anyone who set their system language to English will get Pd-extended in English. For those who want some mix of languages, then there is no standard technique that I know of, and how you do it varies on each OS. If someone wants to code this for Pd-extended, patches are welcome. For the geeks, you can select the language easily when launching Pd from the terminal. This is what I do for testing the language support: $ export LANG=en $ /usr/bin/pd-extended or on Mac OS X: $ /Applications/Pd-extended/Contents/Resources/bin/pd You can see the supported languages in the po/ folder inside Pd. .hc On 02/23/2012 11:54 PM, Seiichiro MATSUMURA wrote: Thanks. I finished Transifex work in Japanese 100%. Then I was surprised my partly inputs of Transifex in middle of Feb. is already reflected in 0.43.1-beta 20120223. However, it seems working automatic depends on system language of OSX, now. I think it would be nice if users can select language mode in Preferences, for example like Audacity's language setting. Because many Japanese users (especially geeks) already get used to the general English menu and interfaces. Of course, Japanese interfaces is truly helpful for Japanese Pd newbies. So languages selectable is the ideal. Cheers, Sei Matsumura -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Seiichiro Matsumura s...@low-tech-ism.com http://low-tech-ism.com/ __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ 2012/2/22 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at: That's great! I wish I could read it. I love the idea of including the interviews and the PdCon report, it shows the multidimensionality of Pd. Its not just software, but the community behind it as well. To match this release, I think it would be nice to also have a complete Japanese translation of the Pd interface. To contribute, create an account on transifex and edit the Japanese translation in this webform: https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/puredata/resource/templatepot/ .hc On Feb 20, 2012, at 3:38 AM, Seiichiro MATSUMURA wrote: Dear list, The world first Japanese Pure Data book for sound programming will be published from BNN(Bug News
Re: [PD] choosing your language at launch WAS: Japanese Pure Data book is out now.
Thank you for the precise instruction. I could trace this but could not make Pd-extended0.43.app in the end. I can run pd unix file in pd-extended/src folder and see ja.msg is working partly, not all functions are working correctly like Bang button object is missing, Vslider is missing, etc. I need to check all the Japanese translated menu and indication in all the properties windows. Do I have to do any other steps for building Pd-extended0.43.app? I already check INSTALL.txt in pd-extended folder and this article but could not accomplish it. http://puredata.info/docs/developer/BuildingPdExtended Best, Sei Matsumura --- s...@low-tech-ism.com --- 2012年2月25日6:56 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at: I was updating pd-extended.git, so I threw in the new Japanese translation :-). I'll be sure to update it one last time before the final release, so you can test it in a real build. I'm all for choice with the language of the app, but it seems to me that is something that the OS should handle. So anyone who set their system language to English will get Pd-extended in English. For those who want some mix of languages, then there is no standard technique that I know of, and how you do it varies on each OS. If someone wants to code this for Pd-extended, patches are welcome. For the geeks, you can select the language easily when launching Pd from the terminal. This is what I do for testing the language support: $ export LANG=en $ /usr/bin/pd-extended or on Mac OS X: $ /Applications/Pd-extended/Contents/Resources/bin/pd You can see the supported languages in the po/ folder inside Pd. .hc On 02/23/2012 11:54 PM, Seiichiro MATSUMURA wrote: Thanks. I finished Transifex work in Japanese 100%. Then I was surprised my partly inputs of Transifex in middle of Feb. is already reflected in 0.43.1-beta 20120223. However, it seems working automatic depends on system language of OSX, now. I think it would be nice if users can select language mode in Preferences, for example like Audacity's language setting. Because many Japanese users (especially geeks) already get used to the general English menu and interfaces. Of course, Japanese interfaces is truly helpful for Japanese Pd newbies. So languages selectable is the ideal. Cheers, Sei Matsumura -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Seiichiro Matsumura s...@low-tech-ism.com http://low-tech-ism.com/ __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ 2012/2/22 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at: That's great! I wish I could read it. I love the idea of including the interviews and the PdCon report, it shows the multidimensionality of Pd. Its not just software, but the community behind it as well. To match this release, I think it would be nice to also have a complete Japanese translation of the Pd interface. To contribute, create an account on transifex and edit the Japanese translation in this webform: https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/puredata/resource/templatepot/ .hc On Feb 20, 2012, at 3:38 AM, Seiichiro MATSUMURA wrote: Dear list, The world first Japanese Pure Data book for sound programming will be published from BNN(Bug News Network) Inc. on 23rd Feb. 2012 in Japan. The title is Pd Recipe Book -Sound Programming with Pure Data. This book is written for the programming newbies with the step by step type tutorials. If you know anybody who can read Japanese and hope to jump into the Pd world, please recommend this book. Web site (Japanese) Pd Recipe Book -Sound Programming with Pure Data http://www.bnn.co.jp/books/title_index/web/pd_recipe_book_pure_data.html#more I hope this become the starting point to spread Pd in Japan. best wishes, Sei Matsumura -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Seiichiro Matsumura, Ph.D. Tokyo University of Technology School of Design Associate Professor http://low-tech-ism.com/ __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Free software means you control what your computer does. Non-free software means someone else controls that, and to some extent controls you. - Richard M. Stallman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and
Re: [PD] choosing your language at launch WAS: Japanese Pure Data book is out now.
I haven't included the latest yet. If you are on GNU/Linux or Mac OS X with Fink or Macports, its easy to generate your own ja.msg file for Pd-extended to use. Let me know and I can walk you throw the process. .hc On Feb 27, 2012, at 7:02 AM, Seiichiro Matsumura wrote: Hi Hans, Thank you for the quick update. I would like to check it but I can't approach to pd-extended git because I am not a geek user even writing Pd book. It seems the latest translation is not yet reflected on Pd-0.43.1-extended-20120226. Is there any other ways I could check it? Sorry for bothering you. I also asked Chikashi to check the translation before release. Double check must be necessary. Best, Sei Matsumura 2012年2月25日6:56 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at: I was updating pd-extended.git, so I threw in the new Japanese translation :-). I'll be sure to update it one last time before the final release, so you can test it in a real build. I'm all for choice with the language of the app, but it seems to me that is something that the OS should handle. So anyone who set their system language to English will get Pd-extended in English. For those who want some mix of languages, then there is no standard technique that I know of, and how you do it varies on each OS. If someone wants to code this for Pd-extended, patches are welcome. For the geeks, you can select the language easily when launching Pd from the terminal. This is what I do for testing the language support: $ export LANG=en $ /usr/bin/pd-extended or on Mac OS X: $ /Applications/Pd-extended/Contents/Resources/bin/pd You can see the supported languages in the po/ folder inside Pd. .hc On 02/23/2012 11:54 PM, Seiichiro MATSUMURA wrote: Thanks. I finished Transifex work in Japanese 100%. Then I was surprised my partly inputs of Transifex in middle of Feb. is already reflected in 0.43.1-beta 20120223. However, it seems working automatic depends on system language of OSX, now. I think it would be nice if users can select language mode in Preferences, for example like Audacity's language setting. Because many Japanese users (especially geeks) already get used to the general English menu and interfaces. Of course, Japanese interfaces is truly helpful for Japanese Pd newbies. So languages selectable is the ideal. Cheers, Sei Matsumura -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Seiichiro Matsumura s...@low-tech-ism.com http://low-tech-ism.com/ __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ 2012/2/22 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at: That's great! I wish I could read it. I love the idea of including the interviews and the PdCon report, it shows the multidimensionality of Pd. Its not just software, but the community behind it as well. To match this release, I think it would be nice to also have a complete Japanese translation of the Pd interface. To contribute, create an account on transifex and edit the Japanese translation in this webform: https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/puredata/resource/templatepot/ .hc On Feb 20, 2012, at 3:38 AM, Seiichiro MATSUMURA wrote: Dear list, The world first Japanese Pure Data book for sound programming will be published from BNN(Bug News Network) Inc. on 23rd Feb. 2012 in Japan. The title is Pd Recipe Book -Sound Programming with Pure Data. This book is written for the programming newbies with the step by step type tutorials. If you know anybody who can read Japanese and hope to jump into the Pd world, please recommend this book. Web site (Japanese) Pd Recipe Book -Sound Programming with Pure Data http://www.bnn.co.jp/books/title_index/web/pd_recipe_book_pure_data.html#more I hope this become the starting point to spread Pd in Japan. best wishes, Sei Matsumura -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Seiichiro Matsumura, Ph.D. Tokyo University of Technology School of Design Associate Professor http://low-tech-ism.com/ __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Free software means you control what your computer does. Non-free software means someone else controls that, and to some extent controls you. - Richard M. Stallman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] choosing your language at launch WAS: Japanese Pure Data book is out now.
Le 2012-02-27 à 10:25:00, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : I haven't included the latest yet. If you are on GNU/Linux or Mac OS X with Fink or Macports, its easy to generate your own ja.msg file for Pd-extended to use. Let me know and I can walk you throw the process. BTW, I realised (or remembered ?) that on OSX, the LANG syntax is a bit different from what it is on GNU/Linux. For example, fr_CA.utf8 has to be written fr_CA.UTF-8 instead, uppercase and hyphen. __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] choosing your language at launch WAS: Japanese Pure Data book is out now.
Thank you. I use Mac OS10.7 with Macports on Macbook Air 2011mid. Xcode4.2.1 is also installed. Best, Sei 2012年2月28日0:25 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at: I haven't included the latest yet. If you are on GNU/Linux or Mac OS X with Fink or Macports, its easy to generate your own ja.msg file for Pd-extended to use. Let me know and I can walk you throw the process. .hc On Feb 27, 2012, at 7:02 AM, Seiichiro Matsumura wrote: Hi Hans, Thank you for the quick update. I would like to check it but I can't approach to pd-extended git because I am not a geek user even writing Pd book. It seems the latest translation is not yet reflected on Pd-0.43.1-extended-20120226. Is there any other ways I could check it? Sorry for bothering you. I also asked Chikashi to check the translation before release. Double check must be necessary. Best, Sei Matsumura 2012年2月25日6:56 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at: I was updating pd-extended.git, so I threw in the new Japanese translation :-). I'll be sure to update it one last time before the final release, so you can test it in a real build. I'm all for choice with the language of the app, but it seems to me that is something that the OS should handle. So anyone who set their system language to English will get Pd-extended in English. For those who want some mix of languages, then there is no standard technique that I know of, and how you do it varies on each OS. If someone wants to code this for Pd-extended, patches are welcome. For the geeks, you can select the language easily when launching Pd from the terminal. This is what I do for testing the language support: $ export LANG=en $ /usr/bin/pd-extended or on Mac OS X: $ /Applications/Pd-extended/Contents/Resources/bin/pd You can see the supported languages in the po/ folder inside Pd. .hc On 02/23/2012 11:54 PM, Seiichiro MATSUMURA wrote: Thanks. I finished Transifex work in Japanese 100%. Then I was surprised my partly inputs of Transifex in middle of Feb. is already reflected in 0.43.1-beta 20120223. However, it seems working automatic depends on system language of OSX, now. I think it would be nice if users can select language mode in Preferences, for example like Audacity's language setting. Because many Japanese users (especially geeks) already get used to the general English menu and interfaces. Of course, Japanese interfaces is truly helpful for Japanese Pd newbies. So languages selectable is the ideal. Cheers, Sei Matsumura -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Seiichiro Matsumura s...@low-tech-ism.com http://low-tech-ism.com/ __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ 2012/2/22 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at: That's great! I wish I could read it. I love the idea of including the interviews and the PdCon report, it shows the multidimensionality of Pd. Its not just software, but the community behind it as well. To match this release, I think it would be nice to also have a complete Japanese translation of the Pd interface. To contribute, create an account on transifex and edit the Japanese translation in this webform: https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/puredata/resource/templatepot/ .hc On Feb 20, 2012, at 3:38 AM, Seiichiro MATSUMURA wrote: Dear list, The world first Japanese Pure Data book for sound programming will be published from BNN(Bug News Network) Inc. on 23rd Feb. 2012 in Japan. The title is Pd Recipe Book -Sound Programming with Pure Data. This book is written for the programming newbies with the step by step type tutorials. If you know anybody who can read Japanese and hope to jump into the Pd world, please recommend this book. Web site (Japanese) Pd Recipe Book -Sound Programming with Pure Data http://www.bnn.co.jp/books/title_index/web/pd_recipe_book_pure_data.html#more I hope this become the starting point to spread Pd in Japan. best wishes, Sei Matsumura -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Seiichiro Matsumura, Ph.D. Tokyo University of Technology School of Design Associate Professor http://low-tech-ism.com/ __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Free software means you control what your computer does. Non-free software means someone else controls that, and to some extent controls you. - Richard M. Stallman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] choosing your language at launch WAS: Japanese Pure Data book is out now.
Ok, with MacPorts, install the 'gettext' and 'git-core' ports. Then run these commands in the Terminal: git clone git://pure-data.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/pure-data/pd-extended.git cd pd-extended ./autogen.sh ./configure cd po make That will make all of the translation files. Now download for use the Japanese translation from Transifex. Rename it 'ja.po', and copy it into 'pd-extended/po' overwriting the file that's there. Now you can make an updated version by running 'make' again. To install your generated ja.msg file, right-click on the Pd-extended 0.43 app, and Show Package Contents. Navigate to Contents/Resources/po and drop 'ja.po' into place there. Next time you start Pd-extended, it should have your updated translation. .hc On Feb 27, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Seiichiro MATSUMURA wrote: Thank you. I use Mac OS10.7 with Macports on Macbook Air 2011mid. Xcode4.2.1 is also installed. Best, Sei 2012年2月28日0:25 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at: I haven't included the latest yet. If you are on GNU/Linux or Mac OS X with Fink or Macports, its easy to generate your own ja.msg file for Pd-extended to use. Let me know and I can walk you throw the process. .hc On Feb 27, 2012, at 7:02 AM, Seiichiro Matsumura wrote: Hi Hans, Thank you for the quick update. I would like to check it but I can't approach to pd-extended git because I am not a geek user even writing Pd book. It seems the latest translation is not yet reflected on Pd-0.43.1-extended-20120226. Is there any other ways I could check it? Sorry for bothering you. I also asked Chikashi to check the translation before release. Double check must be necessary. Best, Sei Matsumura 2012年2月25日6:56 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at: I was updating pd-extended.git, so I threw in the new Japanese translation :-). I'll be sure to update it one last time before the final release, so you can test it in a real build. I'm all for choice with the language of the app, but it seems to me that is something that the OS should handle. So anyone who set their system language to English will get Pd-extended in English. For those who want some mix of languages, then there is no standard technique that I know of, and how you do it varies on each OS. If someone wants to code this for Pd-extended, patches are welcome. For the geeks, you can select the language easily when launching Pd from the terminal. This is what I do for testing the language support: $ export LANG=en $ /usr/bin/pd-extended or on Mac OS X: $ /Applications/Pd-extended/Contents/Resources/bin/pd You can see the supported languages in the po/ folder inside Pd. .hc On 02/23/2012 11:54 PM, Seiichiro MATSUMURA wrote: Thanks. I finished Transifex work in Japanese 100%. Then I was surprised my partly inputs of Transifex in middle of Feb. is already reflected in 0.43.1-beta 20120223. However, it seems working automatic depends on system language of OSX, now. I think it would be nice if users can select language mode in Preferences, for example like Audacity's language setting. Because many Japanese users (especially geeks) already get used to the general English menu and interfaces. Of course, Japanese interfaces is truly helpful for Japanese Pd newbies. So languages selectable is the ideal. Cheers, Sei Matsumura -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Seiichiro Matsumura s...@low-tech-ism.com http://low-tech-ism.com/ __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ 2012/2/22 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at: That's great! I wish I could read it. I love the idea of including the interviews and the PdCon report, it shows the multidimensionality of Pd. Its not just software, but the community behind it as well. To match this release, I think it would be nice to also have a complete Japanese translation of the Pd interface. To contribute, create an account on transifex and edit the Japanese translation in this webform: https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/puredata/resource/templatepot/ .hc On Feb 20, 2012, at 3:38 AM, Seiichiro MATSUMURA wrote: Dear list, The world first Japanese Pure Data book for sound programming will be published from BNN(Bug News Network) Inc. on 23rd Feb. 2012 in Japan. The title is Pd Recipe Book -Sound Programming with Pure Data. This book is written for the programming newbies with the step by step type tutorials. If you know anybody who can read Japanese and hope to jump into the Pd world, please recommend this book. Web site (Japanese) Pd Recipe Book -Sound Programming with Pure Data http://www.bnn.co.jp/books/title_index/web/pd_recipe_book_pure_data.html#more I hope this become the starting point to spread Pd in Japan. best wishes, Sei Matsumura -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Seiichiro Matsumura, Ph.D. Tokyo University of Technology School of
Re: [PD] choosing your language at launch WAS: Japanese Pure Data book is out now.
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 05:57, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: On 02/25/2012 11:59 AM, András Murányi wrote: On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 22:56, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: I was updating pd-extended.git, so I threw in the new Japanese translation :-). I'll be sure to update it one last time before the final release, so you can test it in a real build. I'm all for choice with the language of the app, but it seems to me that is something that the OS should handle. So anyone who set their system language to English will get Pd-extended in English. For those who want some mix of languages, then there is no standard technique that I know of, and how you do it varies on each OS. If someone wants to code this for Pd-extended, patches are welcome. If you want the *whole* app to change language, I'm pretty sure it will need to be restarted. Then I guess an equivalent of export LANG can be issued from tcl (and/or C?) at startup. (Could someone with the knowledge confirm/correct this plz?) If it's enough to change the translatable strings' language, we already have the _ function in tcl. I have no idea how it goes on the C side. Then I guess instead of restarting, it's possible to redraw the GUI (?). I'd be happy to code into this when I know more. András What I meant by a mix of languages is a mix of apps on a given system running in different languages, i.e. Thunderbird in Japanese, Pd in English. Perhaps this could be handled by a plugin? I don't know all the possible ways of getting Tcl to change the language, but I do know that 'export LANG=ja' works. .hc ...what I understood was a way to change the UI language from within pd, like a dropdown menu in preferences. Is that what you meant? András ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] choosing your language at launch WAS: Japanese Pure Data book is out now.
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 22:56, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: I was updating pd-extended.git, so I threw in the new Japanese translation :-). I'll be sure to update it one last time before the final release, so you can test it in a real build. I'm all for choice with the language of the app, but it seems to me that is something that the OS should handle. So anyone who set their system language to English will get Pd-extended in English. For those who want some mix of languages, then there is no standard technique that I know of, and how you do it varies on each OS. If someone wants to code this for Pd-extended, patches are welcome. If you want the *whole* app to change language, I'm pretty sure it will need to be restarted. Then I guess an equivalent of export LANG can be issued from tcl (and/or C?) at startup. (Could someone with the knowledge confirm/correct this plz?) If it's enough to change the translatable strings' language, we already have the _ function in tcl. I have no idea how it goes on the C side. Then I guess instead of restarting, it's possible to redraw the GUI (?). I'd be happy to code into this when I know more. András ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] choosing your language at launch WAS: Japanese Pure Data book is out now.
How do other programs like Ardour handle translations? -Jonathan From: András Murányi muran...@gmail.com To: pd-list@iem.at Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [PD] choosing your language at launch WAS: Japanese Pure Data book is out now. On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 22:56, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: I was updating pd-extended.git, so I threw in the new Japanese translation :-). I'll be sure to update it one last time before the final release, so you can test it in a real build. I'm all for choice with the language of the app, but it seems to me that is something that the OS should handle. So anyone who set their system language to English will get Pd-extended in English. For those who want some mix of languages, then there is no standard technique that I know of, and how you do it varies on each OS. If someone wants to code this for Pd-extended, patches are welcome. If you want the *whole* app to change language, I'm pretty sure it will need to be restarted. Then I guess an equivalent of export LANG can be issued from tcl (and/or C?) at startup. (Could someone with the knowledge confirm/correct this plz?) If it's enough to change the translatable strings' language, we already have the _ function in tcl. I have no idea how it goes on the C side. Then I guess instead of restarting, it's possible to redraw the GUI (?). I'd be happy to code into this when I know more. András ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] choosing your language at launch WAS: Japanese Pure Data book is out now.
I was updating pd-extended.git, so I threw in the new Japanese translation :-). I'll be sure to update it one last time before the final release, so you can test it in a real build. I'm all for choice with the language of the app, but it seems to me that is something that the OS should handle. So anyone who set their system language to English will get Pd-extended in English. For those who want some mix of languages, then there is no standard technique that I know of, and how you do it varies on each OS. If someone wants to code this for Pd-extended, patches are welcome. For the geeks, you can select the language easily when launching Pd from the terminal. This is what I do for testing the language support: $ export LANG=en $ /usr/bin/pd-extended or on Mac OS X: $ /Applications/Pd-extended/Contents/Resources/bin/pd You can see the supported languages in the po/ folder inside Pd. .hc On 02/23/2012 11:54 PM, Seiichiro MATSUMURA wrote: Thanks. I finished Transifex work in Japanese 100%. Then I was surprised my partly inputs of Transifex in middle of Feb. is already reflected in 0.43.1-beta 20120223. However, it seems working automatic depends on system language of OSX, now. I think it would be nice if users can select language mode in Preferences, for example like Audacity's language setting. Because many Japanese users (especially geeks) already get used to the general English menu and interfaces. Of course, Japanese interfaces is truly helpful for Japanese Pd newbies. So languages selectable is the ideal. Cheers, Sei Matsumura -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Seiichiro Matsumura s...@low-tech-ism.com http://low-tech-ism.com/ __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ 2012/2/22 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at: That's great! I wish I could read it. I love the idea of including the interviews and the PdCon report, it shows the multidimensionality of Pd. Its not just software, but the community behind it as well. To match this release, I think it would be nice to also have a complete Japanese translation of the Pd interface. To contribute, create an account on transifex and edit the Japanese translation in this webform: https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/puredata/resource/templatepot/ .hc On Feb 20, 2012, at 3:38 AM, Seiichiro MATSUMURA wrote: Dear list, The world first Japanese Pure Data book for sound programming will be published from BNN(Bug News Network) Inc. on 23rd Feb. 2012 in Japan. The title is Pd Recipe Book -Sound Programming with Pure Data. This book is written for the programming newbies with the step by step type tutorials. If you know anybody who can read Japanese and hope to jump into the Pd world, please recommend this book. Web site (Japanese) Pd Recipe Book -Sound Programming with Pure Data http://www.bnn.co.jp/books/title_index/web/pd_recipe_book_pure_data.html#more I hope this become the starting point to spread Pd in Japan. best wishes, Sei Matsumura -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Seiichiro Matsumura, Ph.D. Tokyo University of Technology School of Design Associate Professor http://low-tech-ism.com/ __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Free software means you control what your computer does. Non-free software means someone else controls that, and to some extent controls you. - Richard M. Stallman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] choosing your language at launch WAS: Japanese Pure Data book is out now.
Le 2012-02-24 à 16:56:00, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : For the geeks, you can select the language easily when launching Pd from the terminal. This is what I do for testing the language support: $ export LANG=en $ /usr/bin/pd-extended Just setting the 2-letter language code is usually wrong, because most people want to also have the country code and encoding as well. For example : export LANG=fr_CA.utf8 selects French, Canada and Unicode UTF-8 all at once. __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] choosing your language at launch WAS: Japanese Pure Data book is out now.
On 02/24/2012 05:11 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Le 2012-02-24 à 16:56:00, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : For the geeks, you can select the language easily when launching Pd from the terminal. This is what I do for testing the language support: $ export LANG=en $ /usr/bin/pd-extended Just setting the 2-letter language code is usually wrong, because most people want to also have the country code and encoding as well. For example : export LANG=fr_CA.utf8 selects French, Canada and Unicode UTF-8 all at once. In Pd's case, its mostly right, but specifying the full code shouldn't hurt. You can see the locales available in po/, there is no fr_CA localization, only fr. There is pt_br and pt_pt. .hc ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
