Re: [PD] gui devel idea: kiosk mode
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, in Pd you can already send an editmode message to a canvas to toggle editmode, as well as other messages (obj, clear, etc.). So instead of making a new [gui] object to handle this kiosk mode stuff, is it possible to make a plugin so that you can also send messages like fullscreen 1 to the canvas that you want to make fullscreen? I've only learned a little bit about tcl so I don't know how much is possible to do through plugins. -Jonathan I am a Tcl newbie too, yet i've attached an initial version of a fullscreen plugin for pd-devel. /usr/lib/pd-extended/startup is a nice place to keep it. (NB i had to add it to the path manually) Tcl 8.5 fullscreen is still quirky on my Ubuntu Jaunty + Compiz. When fullscreen, new windows, including those invoked from the menu, appear in the background. (And I couldn't find a way to hide the menu.) Modal dialogs appear in the foreground, at least. Another quirk is that when we have a fullscreen window and we bring another one into the foreground, Gnome menus appear, then they go away when the focus is back to the fullscreen window. Any ideas on these problems are highly appreciated. Andras fullscreen-plugin.tcl Description: Tcl script ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] gui devel idea: kiosk mode
i think it's probably better to do this via a msg so basically there would be commands like: gui-hide-menu gui-hide-scrollbar gui-hide- ... gui-canvas-fullscreen gui-hide-decortion I would second that. just embedded in normal pd programming. Provided this fullscreen feature, (how) do want to be able to scroll the canvas? I suppose we just keep the scrollbars...? it's possible to scroll without scrollbars - you just have to know yourself that there's something there. I would say that optional scrollbars (such as optionall everything) lends to more possibilities. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] gui devel idea: kiosk mode
i think it's probably better to do this via a msg so basically there would be commands like: gui-hide-menu gui-hide-scrollbar gui-hide- ... gui-canvas-fullscreen gui-hide-decortion I would second that. just embedded in normal pd programming. Provided this fullscreen feature, (how) do want to be able to scroll the canvas? I suppose we just keep the scrollbars...? Ok I thought I'd share this anyway and I think it fits well here. What I've lately been experimenting with is using GEM for 'gui'... and of course gem can go full screen... Some of the ideas so fare here: http://lorenzosu.altervista.org/pd/gem%20gui/ Lorenzo. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] gui devel idea: kiosk mode
Oh, i've been looking for this kid of thing for a while! the only problem is that i still haven't got GEM installed ..(( i should sort it out :%) On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 12:12:04PM +0200, Lorenzo wrote: Ok I thought I'd share this anyway and I think it fits well here. What I've lately been experimenting with is using GEM for 'gui'... and of course gem can go full screen... Some of the ideas so fare here: http://lorenzosu.altervista.org/pd/gem%20gui/ Lorenzo. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] gui devel idea: kiosk mode
Is it possible to make these messages that can be sent to a canvas? That's already the way one changes settings of a canvas (editmode, clear, donecanvasdialog, etc.) Also, that way you could have a patch my-kiosk-thingy.pd, and when you open it you could have all kinds of initialization settings, and a subpatch [pd gui]. When you get all the init values set you can send [fullscreen 1( -- [s pd-gui] . Then you don't need to make a new object [gui]. -Jonathan --- On Thu, 4/22/10, errordevelo...@gmail.com errordevelo...@gmail.com wrote: From: errordevelo...@gmail.com errordevelo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PD] gui devel idea: kiosk mode To: pd-list@iem.at Date: Thursday, April 22, 2010, 11:51 PM i think it's probably better to do this via a msg so basically there would be commands like: gui-hide-menu gui-hide-scrollbar gui-hide- ... gui-canvas-fullscreen gui-hide-decortion so basically you can put this into a subpatch and loadbang whichever one you need ;) may it's better to implement this via gui object which you would send msgs to .. [hide-canvas( | | [gui] or we do this kind of stylie: [; pd-gui command( ? i'm not sure which way is more practical .. On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 09:57:51PM +0200, András Murányi wrote: On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 8:01 PM, João Pais jmmmp...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, just had a thought for a gui development: a runtime mode, feasible for demos or finished applications where the user only gets presented with the finished program, and no menus. In opera it's called kiosk mode ( http://www.opera.com/support/mastering/kiosk/): all the menus are hidden, and the user should only interact with the program. It doesn't have to go as far as opera's mode (and disable key shortcuts), but if it's not complicated, a presentation mode could be nice for patch showcase, finished performance patches or tools, ... As far as I imagine, some simple options might be enough: - hide menus - hide window lane - hide borders - fullscreen mode Best, João Sounds good! Seems this is not supported in Tcl/Tk 8.3 but from 8.4 up it is. Which, according to current 'policy', predestines it to be a plugin (?), actually a very simple one. Shall be bind to F11! Provided this fullscreen feature, (how) do want to be able to scroll the canvas? I suppose we just keep the scrollbars...? Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] gui devel idea: kiosk mode
Since this would involve the GUI side only really, it should be implemented as a plugin. One thing I'm planning on adding is a 'pd- gui' receive, like the 'pd' receive, so you can send messages to the GUI from pd. That is currently the only missing piece for implementing this. Like was said before, it won't be hard to implement in Tcl, post any questions here and we can help get it working. .hc On Apr 23, 2010, at 12:33 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Is it possible to make these messages that can be sent to a canvas? That's already the way one changes settings of a canvas (editmode, clear, donecanvasdialog, etc.) Also, that way you could have a patch my-kiosk-thingy.pd, and when you open it you could have all kinds of initialization settings, and a subpatch [pd gui]. When you get all the init values set you can send [fullscreen 1( -- [s pd-gui] . Then you don't need to make a new object [gui]. -Jonathan --- On Thu, 4/22/10, errordevelo...@gmail.com errordevelo...@gmail.com wrote: From: errordevelo...@gmail.com errordevelo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PD] gui devel idea: kiosk mode To: pd-list@iem.at Date: Thursday, April 22, 2010, 11:51 PM i think it's probably better to do this via a msg so basically there would be commands like: gui-hide-menu gui-hide-scrollbar gui-hide- ... gui-canvas-fullscreen gui-hide-decortion so basically you can put this into a subpatch and loadbang whichever one you need ;) may it's better to implement this via gui object which you would send msgs to .. [hide-canvas( | | [gui] or we do this kind of stylie: [; pd-gui command( ? i'm not sure which way is more practical .. On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 09:57:51PM +0200, András Murányi wrote: On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 8:01 PM, João Pais jmmmp...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, just had a thought for a gui development: a runtime mode, feasible for demos or finished applications where the user only gets presented with the finished program, and no menus. In opera it's called kiosk mode ( http://www.opera.com/support/mastering/kiosk/): all the menus are hidden, and the user should only interact with the program. It doesn't have to go as far as opera's mode (and disable key shortcuts), but if it's not complicated, a presentation mode could be nice for patch showcase, finished performance patches or tools, ... As far as I imagine, some simple options might be enough: - hide menus - hide window lane - hide borders - fullscreen mode Best, João Sounds good! Seems this is not supported in Tcl/Tk 8.3 but from 8.4 up it is. Which, according to current 'policy', predestines it to be a plugin (?), actually a very simple one. Shall be bind to F11! Provided this fullscreen feature, (how) do want to be able to scroll the canvas? I suppose we just keep the scrollbars...? Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Free software means you control what your computer does. Non-free software means someone else controls that, and to some extent controls you. - Richard M. Stallman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] gui devel idea: kiosk mode
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Is it possible to make these messages that can be sent to a canvas? Sorry... what is this question ?... _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone: +1.514.383.3801___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] gui devel idea: kiosk mode
Well, in Pd you can already send an editmode message to a canvas to toggle editmode, as well as other messages (obj, clear, etc.). So instead of making a new [gui] object to handle this kiosk mode stuff, is it possible to make a plugin so that you can also send messages like fullscreen 1 to the canvas that you want to make fullscreen? I've only learned a little bit about tcl so I don't know how much is possible to do through plugins. -Jonathan --- On Fri, 4/23/10, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca Subject: Re: [PD] gui devel idea: kiosk mode To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at, errordevelo...@gmail.com Date: Friday, April 23, 2010, 8:19 PM On Fri, 23 Apr 2010, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Is it possible to make these messages that can be sent to a canvas? Sorry... what is this question ?... _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone: +1.514.383.3801 ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] gui devel idea: kiosk mode
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 8:01 PM, João Pais jmmmp...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, just had a thought for a gui development: a runtime mode, feasible for demos or finished applications where the user only gets presented with the finished program, and no menus. In opera it's called kiosk mode ( http://www.opera.com/support/mastering/kiosk/): all the menus are hidden, and the user should only interact with the program. It doesn't have to go as far as opera's mode (and disable key shortcuts), but if it's not complicated, a presentation mode could be nice for patch showcase, finished performance patches or tools, ... As far as I imagine, some simple options might be enough: - hide menus - hide window lane - hide borders - fullscreen mode Best, João Sounds good! Seems this is not supported in Tcl/Tk 8.3 but from 8.4 up it is. Which, according to current 'policy', predestines it to be a plugin (?), actually a very simple one. Shall be bind to F11! Provided this fullscreen feature, (how) do want to be able to scroll the canvas? I suppose we just keep the scrollbars...? Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] gui devel idea: kiosk mode
i think it's probably better to do this via a msg so basically there would be commands like: gui-hide-menu gui-hide-scrollbar gui-hide- ... gui-canvas-fullscreen gui-hide-decortion so basically you can put this into a subpatch and loadbang whichever one you need ;) may it's better to implement this via gui object which you would send msgs to .. [hide-canvas( | | [gui] or we do this kind of stylie: [; pd-gui command( ? i'm not sure which way is more practical .. On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 09:57:51PM +0200, András Murányi wrote: On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 8:01 PM, João Pais jmmmp...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, just had a thought for a gui development: a runtime mode, feasible for demos or finished applications where the user only gets presented with the finished program, and no menus. In opera it's called kiosk mode ( http://www.opera.com/support/mastering/kiosk/): all the menus are hidden, and the user should only interact with the program. It doesn't have to go as far as opera's mode (and disable key shortcuts), but if it's not complicated, a presentation mode could be nice for patch showcase, finished performance patches or tools, ... As far as I imagine, some simple options might be enough: - hide menus - hide window lane - hide borders - fullscreen mode Best, João Sounds good! Seems this is not supported in Tcl/Tk 8.3 but from 8.4 up it is. Which, according to current 'policy', predestines it to be a plugin (?), actually a very simple one. Shall be bind to F11! Provided this fullscreen feature, (how) do want to be able to scroll the canvas? I suppose we just keep the scrollbars...? Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
