Re: [PD] puredata_gui_design
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 01:43:19PM +0200, Andre Osku Schmidt wrote: On Sat, 2010-04-17 at 11:29 +0100, errordevelo...@gmail.com wrote: well ..SVG could be nice, but i haven't yet figure how to do it in QT in nice a streight forward way. but there some really nice svg widget example on the Nokia's website :) you mean these ? http://qt.nokia.com/developer/embedded-widget-demos yes, that would be nice. but the last time i looked i couldn't figure out neither how to do own svg widgets. but im no coder anyway ;) yeah ..me neither ..i need to learn the qt svg stuff ..)) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] puredata_gui_design
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 04:53:46PM +0200, Jordi Sala wrote: All it's ok! The problem with the .h file was that make creates a link to the original .h file, but the path is absolute, so it targets to your home in your computer. i knew this one :) bloody typical! Now I have installed some missed libraries in my qtcreator, and it connects to the pd perfect. I'm going to do some test,... that's excellent! :)) very happy to hear this :) you see the thing with qt is that it's extreamly portable! i bet we can run this on N900 and symbian nokias as well and any other os/arch where qt had been ported to! i still didn't figure qt-embedded ..then we can use DirectFB (i.e. fullscreen GUI without Xserver!! and with driver that uses the graphics adapter with some accelleration capabilities too) i got qt-embedded installed but still didn't manage to run the demo apps ;( also getting OpenGL widgets could be really nice .. because i found the QT sliders and all that stuff quite limiting in terms how BORING the GUI could look like if you have a whole lot of these things ..( and at some point it doesn't even fit on the screen 17 screen ..very sad :((( On 23 April 2010 15:27, errordevelo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 01:43:19PM +0200, Andre Osku Schmidt wrote: On Sat, 2010-04-17 at 11:29 +0100, errordevelo...@gmail.com wrote: well ..SVG could be nice, but i haven't yet figure how to do it in QT in nice a streight forward way. but there some really nice svg widget example on the Nokia's website :) you mean these ? http://qt.nokia.com/developer/embedded-widget-demos yes, that would be nice. but the last time i looked i couldn't figure out neither how to do own svg widgets. but im no coder anyway ;) yeah ..me neither ..i need to learn the qt svg stuff ..)) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Jordi Sala http://musa.poperbu.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] puredata_gui_design
On Sat, 2010-04-17 at 11:29 +0100, errordevelo...@gmail.com wrote: well ..SVG could be nice, but i haven't yet figure how to do it in QT in nice a streight forward way. but there some really nice svg widget example on the Nokia's website :) you mean these ? http://qt.nokia.com/developer/embedded-widget-demos yes, that would be nice. but the last time i looked i couldn't figure out neither how to do own svg widgets. but im no coder anyway ;) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] puredata_gui_design
hi, i wnat to know where i can find pd logo svg ? i need it to do some design. thahk. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] puredata_gui_design
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010, András Murányi wrote: One (hard) aspect of GUI design in case of Pd is that the GUI widgets are provided by Tcl/Tk at the moment, which does not allow for such kind of skinning, afaik. Tcl/Tk up to 8.4 allow some amount of configuration... at least much more than has ever been used by anyone in pd.tk. Tcl/Tk introduced the TkTile toolkit, for which I've heard that the big new feature is that you can skin it. I haven't tried it myself. Meanwhile, I'm using Pd-Extended with Tcl/Tk 8.5 while, officially, this very same version of Pd-Extended is said to not support Tcl/Tk 8.5. On top of that, Miller still wants to support Tcl/Tk 8.3 for some upcoming releases, and such things that were already becoming obsolete in 2003. There has been talk, however, about migrating to another GUI toolkit. Talk, talk, talk, it's only talk. Arguments, babble, bicker bicker bicker, brouhaha, it's only talk. _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone: +1.514.383.3801___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] puredata_gui_design
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010, Lorenzo wrote: As a comment on the designs which graphically look very cool... this will probably be unpopular... but I *wouldn't* second segmented or curvy chords (like in some other popular dataflow programs) as I think they tend to make patches (and one's coding) less clear and in the end a bit messy.. but it may be me, as I do tend to become messy and like something which constraints me not to :) I think that it's better when the will to organise things better comes from inside of you rather than from the software's inability. Because the software isn't «sufficiently unable» compared to all the things you better be doing to keep your patches clean. I also think that even in clear and simple situations, straight wires are somewhat annoying, and so is the process of placing objects in ways that look nice with straight wires. I also think that this is very far from being in the top most urgent issues in Pd... _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone: +1.514.383.3801___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] puredata_gui_design
Hello Honki, On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:44 AM, red honki pdi...@gmail.com wrote: hi, i am honki. i do some designs about puredata. illustration: http://www.flickr.com/photos/honki/sets/72157607652279654/ gui: http://www.flickr.com/photos/honki/4522863658/ The designs are cool! I just don't understand how the VU meter is supposed to work - it looks like a spectrograph... One (hard) aspect of GUI design in case of Pd is that the GUI widgets are provided by Tcl/Tk at the moment, which does not allow for such kind of skinning, afaik. There has been talk, however, about migrating to another GUI toolkit. i wnat to know where i can find pd log svg ? Can you reformulate the question please? Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] puredata_gui_design
segmented and curvy cords comes with another patching design, like in maxMSP where almost all the time the messages order doesn't have an importance. Also it's said by some users that max patches works better when everything is in the same subpatch, and that is not the case with pd. Many other has explained, certainly better than me, why not using those cords in list archive. Also, the project of designing other interfaces for pd is really seducting, and there is already some projects that allow the use of another GUI, like the J. Sarlo's Graphical Interface Editing Tool and Run-time Environment (cpu glouton) or T. Grill's python wrapper and tkinter. (require python knowledge) or HC's [sys_gui] (require tcl knowledge, and very slow response) or [mixed/toxy/tot] (unstable, require tcl knowledge) and xi widgets that require tcl/tk 8.5, a working [widget] external, and half a dozen of tk libs. There are also other projects using pd sources with another GUI design like desiredata - Mail Original - De: Lorenzo lsut...@libero.it À: pd-list@iem.at Envoyé: Vendredi 16 Avril 2010 12h07:08 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne Objet: Re: [PD] puredata_gui_design András Murányi wrote: One (hard) aspect of GUI design in case of Pd is that the GUI widgets are provided by Tcl/Tk at the moment, which does not allow for such kind of skinning, afaik. There has been talk, however, about migrating to another GUI toolkit. Really? Which one? As a comment on the designs which graphically look very cool... this will probably be unpopular... but I *wouldn't* second segmented or curvy chords (like in some other popular dataflow programs) as I think they tend to make patches (and one's coding) less clear and in the end a bit messy.. but it may be me, as I do tend to become messy and like something which constraints me not to :) Lorenzo ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] puredata_gui_design
Hi, On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 03:19:50PM +0200, colet.patr...@free.fr wrote: segmented and curvy cords comes with another patching design, like in maxMSP where almost all the time the messages order doesn't have an importance. Huh? Maybe in Max there is no difference between x-y and y-x? Ciao -- Frank ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] puredata_gui_design
On Apr 16, 2010, at 5:45 AM, András Murányi wrote: Hello Honki, On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:44 AM, red honki pdi...@gmail.com wrote: hi, i am honki. i do some designs about puredata. illustration: http://www.flickr.com/photos/honki/sets/72157607652279654/ gui: http://www.flickr.com/photos/honki/4522863658/ The designs are cool! I just don't understand how the VU meter is supposed to work - it looks like a spectrograph... One (hard) aspect of GUI design in case of Pd is that the GUI widgets are provided by Tcl/Tk at the moment, which does not allow for such kind of skinning, afaik. There has been talk, however, about migrating to another GUI toolkit. You can actually do quite a bit of 'skinning' with Tcl/Tk. And it should be doable totally within a pd-gui-rewrite plugin. Checkout the 'gtklook-plugin.tcl' for a simple example. .hc i wnat to know where i can find pd log svg ? Can you reformulate the question please? Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list 'You people have such restrictive dress for women,’ she said, hobbling away in three inch heels and panty hose to finish out another pink- collar temp pool day. - “Hijab Scene #2, by Mohja Kahf ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] puredata_gui_design
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:44 AM, red honki pdi...@gmail.com wrote: hi, i am honki. i do some designs about puredata. illustration: http://www.flickr.com/photos/honki/sets/72157607652279654/ gui: http://www.flickr.com/photos/honki/4522863658/ The designs are cool! I just don't understand how the VU meter is supposed to work - it looks like a spectrograph... One (hard) aspect of GUI design in case of Pd is that the GUI widgets are provided by Tcl/Tk at the moment, which does not allow for such kind of skinning, afaik. There has been talk, however, about migrating to another GUI toolkit. You can actually do quite a bit of 'skinning' with Tcl/Tk. And it should be doable totally within a pd-gui-rewrite plugin. Checkout the 'gtklook-plugin.tcl' for a simple example. .hc Well that one is a must have indeed, yet it's 'skinning' not skinning. Skinning for me starts with bitmaps or svg being applied. Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
