Re: Pentax's future
Next June 22nd we'll have a production *ist D to try at Pentax Day, so at the end I'll get an idea of how it works. Dario Bonazza www.aohc.it - Original Message - From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 9:08 PM Subject: Re: Pentax's future Tom wrote: Oddly enough, the latest issue of American Photo lists the *ist-D as an Editor's Pick in the DSLR category, complete with picture. If the august release hold water, then the *ist D production almost certainly has started already. Working samples, not prototypes, has shown up. Production is probably tied up with the *ist. It is almost certain that Pentax will try to release the camera when they made sufficient of it in order to meet the intial demand. Pål
Re: Pentax's future
I'd call it the Pentax D Day. Dario Bonazza 2 wrote: Next June 22nd we'll have a production *ist D to try at Pentax Day, so at the end I'll get an idea of how it works. Dario Bonazza www.aohc.it
Re: OT:Twelve Hours in Paris
Paul - I love the portfolio in toto! You have truly managed to capture the essence of the city in such a short time there. makes me yearn for another trip there - I've been about twenty times and still find new stuff to see! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax Discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 3:08 AM Subject: OT:Twelve Hours in Paris On a recent business trip to Paris I decided to stay over one day and shoot some film. I had only my 1953 vintage Leica iiif and Summicron 50/2, but that seemed an appropriate choice for a Paris walkaround. I shot from ten in the morning until ten at night, walking about 20 miles in the process. Rather than take a lot of tourist photos, I tried to capture little glimpses of everyday life in the city. I interspersed these with some shots of the landmarks I passed. You can find them here http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=311283
Re: virus
I would guess they're using some sort of address-generating program. I got two, one through pentax-discuss and one direct to my email account. Norton's torpedoed them both! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:01 AM Subject: Re: virus I got it too. It filtered into my Pentax folder, because it comes from an address called [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I wouldn't have opened it ~anyway~, then I saw the attachment was an exe file. What the hell's up with this. Caveman got one, I did, you did. Is this coming into everyone's mailbox? Someone's screwing with us! -frank tom wrote: My anti-virus software just intercepted a virus purporting to be an invoice from amazon.com. The domain in the header was pentax.no. Just an FYI. tv -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: F and FG off flash connection
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:14:58 -0500, Chee Seang Ong wrote: Hi List, Is there a difference between connecting an off flash using F and FG hotshoes? Anyone has an extra set of F/FG hotshoes with cable wanna sell off? Thanks! The F allows you to stack F connectors or place a flash on the top (hotshoes top and bottom). The FG allows you to use the pop up flash on the MZ serries cameras while using an off camera flash as well (a 5P cable socket on the top of teh connector). I'm not sure it if works that way with the *ist. Perhaps someone who owns the *ist could try it? I own the F and FG and the off camera shoe adaptor F (tripod mount on the bottom), but I'm not ready to sell them off just yet. Leon http://www.bluering.org.au http://www.bluering.org.au/leon
Re[2]: F and FG off flash connection
Does anyone knows if there is a third party dummy shoe adaptor just with the tripod mount? I don't need the cord connection of the shoe adaptor F - I just use the 360FGZ wireless and I'm not willing to pay the already inflated price of the F shoe adaptor. Thanks. Servus, Alin Leon wrote: LA I own the F and FG and the off camera shoe adaptor F (tripod mount on LA the bottom), but I'm not ready to sell them off just yet.
Re: Purchasing Film for Holiday in the UK
Paul Stenquist wrote: What I'm saying is leave the film in the lead bag and let them run it through the machine. When they can't see through the lead, they'll hand check it. Works every time for me. Four times at Heathrow in the last two months. Well done Paul. I wish we all had the same luck as you! Best regards, John
Re: Uppsala Sweden anyone ?
I'm not from Uppsala myself, but I have a sister and several dedicated Pentaxian friends there. Petter - Original Message - From: Caveman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:39 am Subject: Uppsala Sweden anyone ? Hello, Any Pentaxian in Uppsala ? cheers, caveman
Re: virus
Me too. The pertinent info is: FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO: [No To Addresses] Subject: Your Amazon.com order (#103-5647566-7192624) Attachment Name: preussen.gif.exe No mention of Pentax for me. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: virus
On June 11, 2003 08:03 am, Steve Desjardins wrote: Me too. The pertinent info is: FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO: [No To Addresses] Subject: Your Amazon.com order (#103-5647566-7192624) Attachment Name: preussen.gif.exe No mention of Pentax for me. Without full headers it doesn't mean too much. The irrating thing is I've got a book on back order and thought they'd finally delivered-)) Nick
Re: virus
I received one from amason in my canoemail account.Its gone:) Dave What the hell's up with this. Caveman got one, I did, you did. Is this coming into everyone's mailbox? Someone's screwing with us! -frank tom wrote: My anti-virus software just intercepted a virus purporting to be an invoice from amazon.com. The domain in the header was pentax.no. Just an FYI. tv -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: PDML atlanta
I'm still up for it. Evan From: jerome Evan, Doug, Cory Cesar (?!) g, I'm guessing it's about that time. Last we spoke, the concensus was that we'd possibly meet on saturday in June, possibly at the botanical gardern. Are we still on? I haven't shot in a while, and it'll give me a good reason to get out and about. jerome
the onslaught continues, et. al.
I keep a fairly keen eye on prices, as do many others here. Looking @ http://www.mpex.com, RB67 prices have been dropping. Pentax is down a little from a year ago, but not much. It's unique enough to hold its value. Good for the retailer and the company -- it's a product that's not in a surplus/commodity position. Also, in one of those wish I had a few bucks handy bargains that was missed, Cord sold a RB67 ProS, 127mm C, w/l, 120 back for $499! Went fast. Someone got a bargin. The digital onslaught continues. By the time the Pentax is released the consumer purchasing momentum will provide them with rapid sales. It would seem that they don't want to enter too early when sales are slow. This will give them a rapid return on their RD Marketing investments. Just like the SLR boom of the late 70s did wrt the M bodies. This seems to be a defensive posture, but necessary to a smaller player. Also, isn't the LX really of 'M'-class design? It's roughly the same size and basic design. So, who wants to join me in building my an 8x10 this summer? (seriously) (Because of cost it'll begin life as a pinhole camera, shooting onto paper, and doing reverse contact prints.) The list has been really busy lately. Even the quantity of digests has been overwhelming. So, who's been posting instead of shooting? Fess up! :) Collin mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
Re: Oh, Well
Welcome back Doug. Glad you returned okay. I would dearly love to make the trip you have, and I will one week in the not too distant future. I don't have any direct liason to events of those years during WWII, but having read Robert Capa and seen the pics, I feel a need to go and see for myself. Look forward to the pics. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Purchasing Film for Holiday in the UK
To the original poster (also Paul), I would recommend that you don't use 7dayshop.com and instead use a UK supplier such as Mailshots or Mathers - 7dayshop.com is in Guernsey, Channel Islands, which is not part of the UK, and they have a reputation for very variable delivery times, although they are cheap. Contact details for Mailshots and Mathers: Just to set the record straight, I use 7dayshop.com exclusively for all my inkjet paper and ink needs, and I have found them to be extremely reliable. If something is out of stock, I am notified at the point of order, and expectations of new stock have proved accurate. If in stock, they quote delivery in 4 to 7 days. Considering the very large savings in cost on large orders, and the fact that any order no matter how small or large attracts only a small delivery charge, makes it very worthwhile. If I order £200 worth of stuff, where else will it be delivered for £1.95? I have nothing but admiration for their consistently smooth operation. A satisfied customer, Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Some new GFM photos
The first shot is the summit shot of myself Jerome and Cesar on McRae Peak from last year's Camera Clinic Weekend in August http://www.robertstech.com/temp/ That, my friend is what you call holding on for dear life. I was terrified and don't even know how I managed to smile. I think it was more of an insane smirk than otherwise. I don't think I moved once while on the peak. In fact I'm pretty certain that I never stood up while up there... and only got up there because by the time we got 1/2 way up, it seemed easier to keep going than to go back down (with intent or otherwise). MEANWHILE, mark was walking around setting up his tripod and taking shots all over the place like we were on street level and the wind wasn't blowing 20 miles per hour. Cl. I wanna go! Great pics BTW Mark. I can't wait. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Purchasing Film for Holiday in the UK
This is risky. There is no legal right to hand checking of film in the UK. What I'm saying is leave the film in the lead bag and let them run it through the machine. When they can't see through the lead, they'll hand check it. Works every time for me. Four times at Heathrow in the last two months. If you have a lead-lined bag, this is absolutely the way to do it. You backpack (or whatever) goes through the machine, they frown, it gets pulled aside, opened, out comes the bag, gets opened, out come the film cans - but do they get put through again? Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Re[2]: F and FG off flash connection
- Original Message - From: Alin Flaider Subject: Re[2]: F and FG off flash connection Does anyone knows if there is a third party dummy shoe adaptor just with the tripod mount? I don't need the cord connection of the shoe adaptor F - I just use the 360FGZ wireless and I'm not willing to pay the already inflated price of the F shoe adaptor. Hama makes one. http://www.hama.co.uk/section.asp?sectionid=213catalogue=1 though they seem to have made it into a slave. William Robb
Re: PDML atlanta
I'm still up for it. Sounds like we're talking the 14th or the 21st (this or next saturday). I'm game for a weekday also, but I think I remember at least one of you having a job or something silly like that g. If either saturday is good for you two (Doug Evan), then I suppose we'll let Cory cast the deciding vote.
Re: Purchasing Film for Holiday in the UK
I've heard that in many cases, if they see a lead-lined bag, they just turn up the power of the (new and more powerful) x-ray scanner to see through it, which then subjects the film to more radiation than it would have seen if it had gone through without a bag. Is this true? Joe This is risky. There is no legal right to hand checking of film in the UK. What I'm saying is leave the film in the lead bag and let them run it through the machine. When they can't see through the lead, they'll hand check it. Works every time for me. Four times at Heathrow in the last two months. If you have a lead-lined bag, this is absolutely the way to do it. You backpack (or whatever) goes through the machine, they frown, it gets pulled aside, opened, out comes the bag, gets opened, out come the film cans - but do they get put through again? Cheers, Cotty
Re: Pentax proudly presents a new lens mount, the KAF3
Peter wrote: If it doesn't sell for a fairytail amount then who'll buy it? I don't think it is intended to sell. I don't think anyone are into DSLR to make money in the short term. They release the *ist D to signalize that they are determined to still be a contender in slr's that take 35mm system lenses. They are just saying hey, we will continue to make slr's; digital or not. If the users who sits on old K-mount lenses fails to buy it it makes no real difference. They are far to few and Pentax must anyway try to reach new customers and they won't do that by making compatibilities that are expensive and a non-issue for such users. It may be sad but there really isn't much point from a commercial point of view to make compatibility with more than 20 year old lenses. I wish they did, but I have no problems understanding why they don't. Pål
Re: remote control question
P30t. Cheap too. The cable release socket is similar to the old mechanical one. Mike Ignatiev wrote: does anyone here know what manual focus pentax cameras can be triggered electronically. i know lx winder has electrical release socket. anything less expensive? best, mishka
Re: Exposure
Caveman wrote: He stated that he can do it with 100% success with real scenes (not gray cards). Unfortunately he hasn't yet defined yet what he understands by perfect exposure of a real scene, so there's no sane way of arguing with him. I've done it about ten times but you don't get it. You never do. Perfect exposure is the exposure I want. I want to go to a scene I decide how I want it exposed and then get it coinsistently when the film get back. This I have in common witn every serious shooter, professional and amateur alike. Thats all exposure is about. There are no universal perfect exposure but if the photographer is going to be something else than a snapshooter he must be able to nail the exposure HE WANTS, regardless what exposure that may be, consistently with precision. Pål
Re: Exposure
Mike wrote: roll to roll film variances are nonsystematic and cannot be dealt with, but i doubt it's as bad as 1/3 stop. even then, one can get a bulk roll and calibrate for it. Pro film is calibrated with 1/6 stop. Thats a words case scenario. It is usually far better. Amateur film is guarranteed within 1/3s but in real life they are usually within 1/6 stop as well. Pål
Re: Pentax proudly presents a new lens mount, the KAF3
Pål Jensen wrote: I don't think it is intended to sell. I don't think anyone are into DSLR to make money in the short term. ROFL. Then it must be a world-wide conspiracy to kill film. They will be giving away digicams until they see Kodak and Fuji crumbling. Oh, wait a minute, they are also giving away digicams... it's just one of those world-wide conspiracies with no point at all. cheers, caveman
Re: Pentax proudly presents a new lens mount, the KAF3
Anthony wrote: Perhaps YOU don't think a Pentax is worth $US1,600, that's your privelege. I don't think Pentax need customers unwilling to pay for it. Pål
Re: Virus in PDML?
I've just received a virus in the attachment to the message sent from the (fake?) address [EMAIL PROTECTED] The virus is in preussen.gif.exe file from your Email address via PDML. This message came directly (not via PDML). I suspect somebody here in PDML got a virus on his PC... Huh? I've never had that e-mail adress and how did I came involved? I don't have a virus according to my virus program. Pål
Re: OT: www.islandblue.com in BC? Any body dealt with them?
Hi, Nick! Are you located in Victoria? As for Island Blue, I had some 11x14s and a 16x20 mounted and laminated there. When I brought them in, the person at the counter had me sign a release In case of dust. We can't guarantee there's no dust. Hmm. When I picked them up, the 16x20 had a lump of something under the lamination, just above the model's head. When I asked about it, she took it away to check and returned in a minute, saying, Oh, it's dust, that happens. That's why we don't like doing photos. That'll be $90, please. Since I was in a hurry, I took it. As you can imagine, I won't be going there again. If you'd like to see those pictures (all shot with MX, MZ-5n, or MZ-S), along with a 16x20 printed, mounted and laminated by Lens and Shutter, go to Broad Street Camera at 1309 Broad Street in Victoria. I was much happier with Lens and Shutter's work (done in Vancouver). Hope this is helpful. Pat White
Re: Virus in PDML?
I'm right now downloading a new version of my anti virus program. I'll let you know if I'm the guilty one. - Original Message - From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 6:11 PM Subject: Re: Virus in PDML? I've just received a virus in the attachment to the message sent from the (fake?) address [EMAIL PROTECTED] The virus is in preussen.gif.exe file from your Email address via PDML. This message came directly (not via PDML). I suspect somebody here in PDML got a virus on his PC... Huh? I've never had that e-mail adress and how did I came involved? I don't have a virus according to my virus program. Pål
Re: OT:My CD cover
Well done, Dave! Pat White
Re: Exposure
Pål Jensen wrote: Caveman wrote: He stated that he can do it with 100% success with real scenes (not gray cards). Unfortunately he hasn't yet defined yet what he understands by perfect exposure of a real scene, so there's no sane way of arguing with him. I've done it about ten times but you don't get it. You never do. Perfect exposure is the exposure I want. I want to go to a scene I decide how I want it exposed and then get it coinsistently when the film get back. This I have in common witn every serious shooter, professional and amateur alike. Thats all exposure is about. There are no universal perfect exposure but if the photographer is going to be something else than a snapshooter he must be able to nail the exposure HE WANTS, regardless what exposure that may be, consistently with precision. Pål If you still don't see why this ain't a decent definition, then let me give you a cave example. I define that the exposure that I want is the exposure that a disposable camera that I will buy will give me when I press the shutter release. I buy it, shoot it and it will obviously perform according to what I defined, with 100% consistency and precision. cheers, caveman
Re[2]: Exposure
Don't know if the bulk Provia 100F that BH is selling is pro grade, however I'm amazed by the level of consistency I kept getting for the last 3 years with this film, despite using different developing kits. The greens, the reds, the grays always turn the same shades when exposure is varied. It may not be the do it all film, but it's certainly the most predictable I ever worked with. Servus, Alin Mike wrote: roll to roll film variances are nonsystematic and cannot be dealt with, but i doubt it's as bad as 1/3 stop. even then, one can get a bulk roll and calibrate for it. Pål wrote: PJ Pro film is calibrated with 1/6 stop. Thats a words case scenario. PJ It is usually far better. Amateur film is guarranteed within 1/3s PJ but in real life they are usually within 1/6 stop as well.
Re: Rather more than the usual replacement roll...
What legal agreement? A disclaimer is not a legal agreement unless it is signed by the person who it affects. To make that kind of thing clear, say you have an open abandoned well in your front yard. So you put up a sign, Not responsible for anyone falling in the well. Do you think you would be protected because of the sign? What a disclaimer does is keep the Not Too Smart Customer from seeking his legal rights, luckily for most retailers the NTSC is the norm. OTOH, the amount involved almost has to be enough to interest an attorney, or you have to be willing to go to small claims court. What the court would award depends on how hard it would be to reshoot he photos. If they were snaps of your kids playing in the sandbox, your probably would only get a new roll of film. If they were snapshots from a once in a lifetime around the world tour, the processor better have good insurance. OTOH, if I were the mediator, and a Scientist claimed the DRUG STORE messed up his important photos of his expedition to Antarctica (as mentioned by someone in this thread), I would probably rule that he was a victim of his own stupidity. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh yay!! Now the courts are ignoring the legal agreement between the customer and the processor. They must have figured they would lose in court, or they wouldn't have settled out of court.
Re: Purchasing Film for Holiday in the UK
My puerile side often considered some extremely high lead content paint (can't buy it any more can we?) marking out an interesting message on the inside of your hardshell hand baggageanswers on a postcard please Kind regards Peter
` Re: Purchasing Film for Holiday in the UK
Joe Wilensky wrote: I've heard that in many cases, if they see a lead-lined bag, they just turn up the power of the (new and more powerful) x-ray scanner to see through it, which then subjects the film to more radiation than it would have seen if it had gone through without a bag. Is this true? It is the CT5000 scanner for checked in luggage that does that. The ones that people and carry on luggage go through are much less powerful. I believe that a CT5000 on full power could harm a person if they were scanned with it at full power, though I could be wrong on that. BUTCH Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself. Hermann Hess (Demian)
Re: Rather more than the usual replacement roll...
The settlement took place in the UK, not the US. Your legal ignorance is now big enough to span oceans. BR T Rittenhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would probably rule __ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455
Re: Virus in PDML?
It's the BugBear. It uses the address books of infected computers to harvest email addresses that's used both for sender and recipient. Using addresses for sender different than the one of the infected account is intended to increase the confusion and reduce the chances to trace the infected computer. Most likely it's not Paal that sent you the virus. He just happened to be in somebody else's address book. Servus, Alin Tetrazen wrote: T I've just received a virus in the attachment to the message sent from the T (fake?) address [EMAIL PROTECTED] T The virus is in preussen.gif.exe file from your Email address via PDML. T This message came directly (not via PDML). I suspect somebody here in PDML T got a virus on his PC...
Re: Rather more than the usual replacement roll...
T Rittenhouse wrote: What legal agreement? A disclaimer is not a legal agreement unless it is signed by the person who it affects. To make that kind of thing clear, say you have an open abandoned well in your front yard. So you put up a sign, Not responsible for anyone falling in the well. Do you think you would be protected because of the sign? I've seen some military facilities with signs basically saying that you'll get shot if you survive escalating the electrified fences. I never heard of anyone suing them. cheers, caveman
Re: Favourite Body and Lens
Hello to All, Favourite Body is definitely the mighty MZ-S with the battery holder/grip. One of the best modern cameras ever made IMHO. Favourite Lens would have to be the 77mm 1.8 limited with my FA 20mm f2.8 and FA 35mm f2 a close second and third place. Favorite Zoom / Non-Pentax lens: Tokina 28-80mm f2.8 ATX PRO. Folks I never cease to be amazed at the results from this lens even wide open at f2.8 and in my opinion it's the perfect normal zoom range. It won't be a great focal range with the new *ist D of course. A Fellow Pentaxian, Ryan __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com
Re: Purchasing Film for Holiday in the UK
I've heard that in many cases, if they see a lead-lined bag, they just turn up the power of the (new and more powerful) x-ray scanner to see through it, which then subjects the film to more radiation than it would have seen if it had gone through without a bag. Is this true? Joe, I have no idea but can envisage a number of the airport security plods going ha! caught you, you crafty little so so. I'll teach you to upset the apple cart - and turning it up to 11 (because it's 1 more than ten) It's something I've always wanted to ask them but that might be misconstrued and I end up in a cell for a few hours with some laughing amateur proctologist plod. Kind regards Peter
Re: Pentax proudly presents a new lens mount, the KAF3
It doesn't matter what I think it's worth, (if it had a Canon or Nikon name plate on it they could probably sell a lessor Camera for a higher price), Pentax is introducing a product that will compete on price, not on installed base on some perceived value but on price it has to cheep since it's not likely to be special. You can draw your own conclusions. Old_Timer_Rant ONI've been using Pentax Gear for a very long time, It wouldn't take much for me to think that it would be worth paying a premium for a Pentax DSLR. This one doesn't seem to deliver even that!old_timer_rant=OFF P. S. Just because you won't feel ridicules carrying an external meter to use with an ELECTRONIC DIGITAL CAMERA with an APS sized sensor, (for what landscapes I wonder), I know I would. At 01:41 AM 6/12/03 +1000, you wrote: The rot sets in when a brand lowers its prices to chase customers. When it does that it attracts a cheapskate customer base who lock it into the bottom of the market forever. Yashica did not sell Contaxes cheap because it (Yashica) was a cheap brand. Cosina does not sell Voigtlanders cheap just because because they are a cheap brand. Pentax may not be in Canon's or a Nikon's perceived price bracket, but they are better than Yashica or Cosina ever was. And Pentax doesn't need to resurrect a dead German marque to justify middle of the range prices, let alone the upper range prices that Yashica (later Kyocera) or Cosina charge for their Gerpanese brands. Perhaps YOU don't think a Pentax is worth $US1,600, that's your privelege. I'm out of professional photography at present and can't justify any photographic acquisitions. If I was still active I'd get an *ist D the day it appeared. The compatability question is not an issue at all. If it was unavoidable that a K/M lens was required I'd use an external meter. It's what I do when I use any format larger than 35mm, anyway. regards, Anthony Farr - Original Message - From: Peter Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] that If it doesn't sell for a fairytail amount then who'll buy it? Not the long time Pentax users who are turned off by the lack of compatibility. Not the PJ's who are locked into Canon, it won't attract Nikon users (not much would). Let's face it the *ist-D will be competing with not only the entry level offerings from everyone else, but also the top level Digital ZLR's, PS digitals and used D-SLR's that are being replaced with the Next New Thing. It will have to be in-expensive Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
Re: Purchasing Film for Holiday in the UK
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My puerile side often considered some extremely high lead content paint (can't buy it any more can we?) marking out an interesting message on the inside of your hardshell hand baggage You may always scissor the letters from a film lead bag and glue them there. But be warned - they have absolutely no sense of humour. cheers, caveman
Re: Pentax proudly presents a new lens mount, the KAF3
I think we disposed of the expense issue quite some time ago. We also disposed of the reason why backward compatibility is important as well, see any of Mark Roberts excellent posts in this and other *ist-D related threads. To respond to your supposed point. They better sell all of the *ist-D's they make or they will never make another. Pentax is becoming a marketing company. With all that implies. You are mixing two contradictory arguments in your post: 1.) Pentax doesn't care how many of these bastard things they market so why make them compatible. 2.) Pentax is making a statement that they plan to be around for a long time and support their lenses with new bodies, (but we'll cripple them so you can't use some for no particular reason except marketing). What I see is a marketing decision to sell lenses, if they don't sell any of these bodies they won't sell new lenses so why build the body. At 05:52 PM 6/11/03 +0200, you wrote: Peter wrote: If it doesn't sell for a fairytail amount then who'll buy it? I don't think it is intended to sell. I don't think anyone are into DSLR to make money in the short term. They release the *ist D to signalize that they are determined to still be a contender in slr's that take 35mm system lenses. They are just saying hey, we will continue to make slr's; digital or not. If the users who sits on old K-mount lenses fails to buy it it makes no real difference. They are far to few and Pentax must anyway try to reach new customers and they won't do that by making compatibilities that are expensive and a non-issue for such users. It may be sad but there really isn't much point from a commercial point of view to make compatibility with more than 20 year old lenses. I wish they did, but I have no problems understanding why they don't. Pål Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
Re: Rather more than the usual replacement roll...
Two reasons, well three really, Countries claim Sovereign immunity, (one of the bad precedents set forth by the United States Constitution was to give the Government of a Republic the same immunity claimed by a King, a right claimed by all Republics now, but I digress), and you're not allowed to Sue the Government with without the Governments permission. Military organizations are outside the civil law where they hold sway, on military reservations, if they catch you they'll usually turn you over to civilian authorities but they don't have to. If you're dead you have a very hard time contacting a lawyer to file a lawsuit for you. At 12:48 PM 6/11/03 -0400, you wrote: T Rittenhouse wrote: What legal agreement? A disclaimer is not a legal agreement unless it is signed by the person who it affects. To make that kind of thing clear, say you have an open abandoned well in your front yard. So you put up a sign, Not responsible for anyone falling in the well. Do you think you would be protected because of the sign? I've seen some military facilities with signs basically saying that you'll get shot if you survive escalating the electrified fences. I never heard of anyone suing them. cheers, caveman Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
Re: Paradigm change of Pentax and the consequences (long)
I've been told that Pentax have no plans of removing the aperture ring from the more expensive lenses. As usual, I might have been told bullshit... Pål If I recall correctly, photos I have seen of the FAJ 18-35 show both a distance scale and aperture ring, unlike other FAJ lenses. So perhaps this is a more serious lens. I am equally concerned about lenses that lack a distance scale. Joe
Re: Exposure
Alin wrote: Don't know if the bulk Provia 100F that BH is selling is pro grade, however I'm amazed by the level of consistency I kept getting for the last 3 years with this film, despite using different developing kits. The greens, the reds, the grays always turn the same shades when exposure is varied. It may not be the do it all film, but it's certainly the most predictable I ever worked with. All Provia F is pro grade. So Is Velvia. What you see is true. If I point my meter at something I want Medium toned (or any tone) it is always the same tonality on Velvia when I get it back. When I shoot Velvia +1/3 to open the shadows the tonality always fall in the same place and 1/3s away from medium (if medium was the starting point). Theres no point of making film with 1/6s stop precision if all the labs mess it up anyway. Theres no point in having one degree spotmeters and 1/3s metering readout if cameras shutters were way off. Theres no point in shooting Velvia at 50 or 40 ISO if 1/3s where done meanngless by the other factors above. If the naysayers were even remotely right, a hell of a lot of people must be hallucinating. Pål
Re: Pentax proudly presents a new lens mount, the KAF3
Peter wrote: Pentax is introducing a product that will compete on price, not on installed base on some perceived value but on price it has to cheep since it's not likely to be special. Yep. And that probably explains why the can't afford an expensive lens mount and a more expensive metering system. Pål
Re: Exposure
If you still don't see why this ain't a decent definition, then let me give you a cave example. What you don't get that this is not about definition of expousre but getting the exposure you want with precision and consistency. It is about photography. I assign part of the scene to the tonalities I want on the film and nail it within 1/3 of a stop. I define that the exposure that I want is the exposure that a disposable camera that I will buy will give me when I press the shutter release. I buy it, shoot it and it will obviously perform according to what I defined, with 100% consistency and precision. It somehow doens't surprise me that your definition of correct exposure is whatever the camera gives you. That explains why nailing exposure within 1/3s seems alien to you. My definition is the exposure I want before I press the shutter release. Thasts the difference beteen a snapshooter and a photographer. Pål
Re: OT:Twelve Hours in Paris
I think there is yet another thing Paul teaches us: One camera with one (prime) lens can be enough to get impressive photos. I admit I often forget that fact. Regards, Bernd ---original message-- Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 17:54:25 -0400 From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT:Twelve Hours in Paris Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tres biens faites, Paul! Ils sont tous incroyable. You've convinced me of two things: First, it's always been a dream of mine to go to Paris some day. Now I want to all the more. Second, I don't want to get rid of my Leica :-( But, how did you do it? No autofocus. No matrix metering. No ttl metering. No metering at all! Didn't your wrist get tired cranking that winder all day? vbg Seriously, great work, Paul. That's a portfolio anyone can be proud of. cheers, frank Paul Stenquist wrote: On a recent business trip to Paris I decided to stay over one day and shoot some film. I had only my 1953 vintage Leica iiif and Summicron 50/2, but that seemed an appropriate choice for a Paris walkaround. I shot from ten in the morning until ten at night, walking about 20 miles in the process. Rather than take a lot of tourist photos, I tried to capture little glimpses of everyday life in the city. I interspersed these with some shots of the landmarks I passed. You can find them here http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=311283 -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: Pentax proudly presents a new lens mount, the KAF3
Peter wrote: You are mixing two contradictory arguments in your post: 1.) Pentax doesn't care how many of these bastard things they market so why make them compatible. That was not what I said. Or meant to say. Making them comoatible don't make any difference for sales exept making the thing more expensive. 2.) Pentax is making a statement that they plan to be around for a long time and support their lenses with new bodies, (but we'll cripple them so you can't use some for no particular reason except marketing). What I see is a marketing decision to sell lenses, if they don't sell any of these bodies they won't sell new lenses so why build the body. I think you are way out of propotions. There simply aren't that many K and M lenses in use. Particularly not on a potential DSLR. Nobody makes DSLR's for 20+ year old lenses perhaps because it isn't such a good idea commercially. There also might be sound technical reasons for a total change of metering principle; the *ist D needs to be compatible with future lenses. Not lenses from more than 20 years back. Pål
Re: Exposure
Pål Jensen wrote: If you still don't see why this ain't a decent definition, then let me give you a cave example. What you don't get that this is not about definition of expousre but getting the exposure you want with precision and consistency. It is about photography. I assign part of the scene to the tonalities I want on the film and nail it within 1/3 of a stop. I define that the exposure that I want is the exposure that a disposable camera that I will buy will give me when I press the shutter release. I buy it, shoot it and it will obviously perform according to what I defined, with 100% consistency and precision. It somehow doens't surprise me that your definition of correct exposure is whatever the camera gives you. That explains why nailing exposure within 1/3s seems alien to you. My definition is the exposure I want before I press the shutter release. Thasts the difference beteen a snapshooter and a photographer. I also get the exposure that I want. Unless you're more explicit, that can be anything, so there's no method of sane arguing. And, oh, just reffer to facts and stop assuming anything about my person. cheers, caveman
Re: Pentax proudly presents a new lens mount, the KAF3
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:18:33 -0600 From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: alexanderkrohe Subject: Re: Pentax proudly presents a new lens mount, the KAF3 BTW A system which *really* changed the mount twice was Mamiya (their 35mm system). And look at how well Mamiya 35mm cameras are doing now. The problem was not the electronic lens mount of the ZE(X); it was the extremely limited selection of lenses. Had Mamiya stuck to M42 they would have gone bankrupt either way ... Besides Mamiya's electronic lens mount was a success. Its medium format incarnation is sill continuing living (in the RZ67). Alexander __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com
Re: Pentax proudly presents a new lens mount, the KAF3
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, [iso-8859-1] Pål Jensen wrote: Yep. And that probably explains why the can't afford an expensive lens mount and a more expensive metering system. I totally ignore all the threads about this, so I have no idea of someone threw this out yet..but is it possible there's to be four 35mm style cameras in the line up? Cheap: Ist, Ist D and a higher scaled version of each? Perhaps in an LX style system, interchangable stuff, higher sync for film, etc, and a full frame or just larger pixel count for the digital? Eh, whatever. I'll just hold out for the digital 645 insert and the day they unleash those USM/IS 645 mount and lenses (I mean, hey, if I'm day dreaming...). -- http://www.infotainment.org - more fun than a poke in your eye. http://www.eighteenpercent.com- photography and portfolio.
Re: Pentax proudly presents a new lens mount, the KAF3
Pål Jensen wrote: There simply aren't that many K and M lenses in use. On what data do you base your statement ? cheers, caveman
Re: Pentax proudly presents a new lens mount, the KAF3
I think that the *ist is a good indication of the market they're after. And this is a good hint for answering your question. gfen wrote: I totally ignore all the threads about this, so I have no idea of someone threw this out yet..but is it possible there's to be four 35mm style cameras in the line up? Cheap: Ist, Ist D and a higher scaled version of each? Perhaps in an LX style system, interchangable stuff, higher sync for film, etc, and a full frame or just larger pixel count for the digital?
Re: remote control question
The Super Program/Super A will do it. I expect the Program Plus/Program A does it too. The A3000 might, but I've never tried it. Basically, you need an electric shutter release. Do you want me to try it on an ME Super tonight? Regards, Bob S. does anyone here know what manual focus pentax cameras can be triggered electronically. i know lx winder has electrical release socket. anything less expensive?
RE: Re[2]: Exposure
the problem is that he is making these claims on cameras using TTL metering (open aperture) that assume the selected f-stop and shutter speed combination is not only perfect, but also that changing the speed and aperture settings to what is theoretically the equivalent exposure is also perfect even though a DIFFERENT compensation may needed from the first one. The meter cant be right for both but it indicates the same. JCO -Original Message- From: Mike Ignatiev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: J. C. O'Connell Subject: Re[2]: Exposure So make a table: Lens | Shutter Speed | Aperture | Compensation - || | What's the big deal? I was not saying it's not random. That is irrelevant. What matters is that it's reproducible to withing your tolerances. If your cammera gives you random shutter speeds at the same position of the dial, or the same lens has different aperture openings at the same aperture setting (over the tolerances) -- that means the equipment is junk. Mishka -Original Message- From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mike Ignatiev [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:02:13 -0400 Subject: RE: Exposure shutter speed and aperture variations are random from stop to stop and speed to speed. There is no way to calibrate them out of the system. Especially if youre using different lenses which may not match each other stop for stop. JCO
Re: Pentax proudly presents a new lens mount, the KAF3
No one make a DSLR for the old lenses because they made the old lenses obsolete when auto focus was introduced. (Except for Nikon and Pentax). There are more K/M mount lenses in use than you give credit for after all Pentax still supports them, sort of. At 07:52 PM 6/11/03 +0200, you wrote: Peter wrote: You are mixing two contradictory arguments in your post: 1.) Pentax doesn't care how many of these bastard things they market so why make them compatible. That was not what I said. Or meant to say. Making them comoatible don't make any difference for sales exept making the thing more expensive. 2.) Pentax is making a statement that they plan to be around for a long time and support their lenses with new bodies, (but we'll cripple them so you can't use some for no particular reason except marketing). What I see is a marketing decision to sell lenses, if they don't sell any of these bodies they won't sell new lenses so why build the body. I think you are way out of propotions. There simply aren't that many K and M lenses in use. Particularly not on a potential DSLR. Nobody makes DSLR's for 20+ year old lenses perhaps because it isn't such a good idea commercially. There also might be sound technical reasons for a total change of metering principle; the *ist D needs to be compatible with future lenses. Not lenses from more than 20 years back. Pål Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
Re: Virus in PDML?
Outhouse express will open it for you at it's default installation settings, unless Microsoft has changed things. At 11:47 AM 6/11/03 -0700, you wrote: No, you have to open the .exe program that came with the mail message, in order to unleash the virus. However, that's what they are counting on, as many people will open anything that accompanies a message. keith whaley Pål Jensen wrote: I've just received a virus in the attachment to the message sent from the (fake?) address [EMAIL PROTECTED] The virus is in preussen.gif.exe file from your Email address via PDML. This message came directly (not via PDML). I suspect somebody here in PDML got a virus on his PC... Huh? I've never had that e-mail adress and how did I came involved? I don't have a virus according to my virus program. Pål Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
Re: Rather more than the usual replacement roll...
I apologize to the list for this post it should have been sent privately, or not at all. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: T Rittenhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 3:35 PM Subject: Re: Rather more than the usual replacement roll... Hey man, I just put up a sign that says you owe me a thousand dollars. I bet it won't do me any good over there either. But, then you better send the money just in case. Know what, boy? Sometimes I am wrong, sometimes I lose my cool, but I am not an ASS all the time like you. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:44 PM Subject: Re: Rather more than the usual replacement roll... The settlement took place in the UK, not the US. Your legal ignorance is now big enough to span oceans. BR T Rittenhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would probably rule __ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455
Re: Virus in PDML?
Wholly Mackerel! I didn't know that! One more reason to NOT go with Outhouse Express... as tho' I need any more... keith whaley Peter Alling wrote: Outhouse express will open it for you at it's default installation settings, unless Microsoft has changed things. At 11:47 AM 6/11/03 -0700, you wrote: No, you have to open the .exe program that came with the mail message, in order to unleash the virus. However, that's what they are counting on, as many people will open anything that accompanies a message. keith whaley
Re: Exposure
The problem is that he's claiming he gets a Something that he's not defining what it is. I may claim that I can get the trusty exposure anytime all day long 100% accurate. Can you argue with that without me defining what a trusty exposure would be ? And of course, I may also claim that it's something you never got and will never be able to. And you still can't argue. cheers, caveman J. C. O'Connell wrote: the problem is that he is making these claims on cameras using TTL metering (open aperture) that assume the selected f-stop and shutter speed combination is not only perfect, but also that changing the speed and aperture settings to what is theoretically the equivalent exposure is also perfect even though a DIFFERENT compensation may needed from the first one. The meter cant be right for both but it indicates the same. JCO -Original Message- From: Mike Ignatiev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: J. C. O'Connell Subject: Re[2]: Exposure So make a table: Lens | Shutter Speed | Aperture | Compensation - || | What's the big deal? I was not saying it's not random. That is irrelevant. What matters is that it's reproducible to withing your tolerances. If your cammera gives you random shutter speeds at the same position of the dial, or the same lens has different aperture openings at the same aperture setting (over the tolerances) -- that means the equipment is junk. Mishka -Original Message- From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mike Ignatiev [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:02:13 -0400 Subject: RE: Exposure shutter speed and aperture variations are random from stop to stop and speed to speed. There is no way to calibrate them out of the system. Especially if youre using different lenses which may not match each other stop for stop. JCO
Re: K on *ist D compatible without metering?
There's an ugly way around if Pentax does not change the firmware. I've got a set of extension tubes from Pentax that does NOT couple aperature. The smallest one is about 8 or 9mm of extension. These older tubes are better built than the Pentax auto tubes. Who the hell focuses at infinity anyways? grin. -Lon Andre Langevin wrote: The meter works in aperture priority mode for all lenses, including K, M and M42, however, in aperture priority mode, K and M lenses will stay wide open during exposure no matter what aperture you choose on the lens. No metering is available in manual mode, Hopefully you add this however in your second message... however, all aperture values can be selected, and the lens really stops down in manual mode during exposure or when DOF previewing. Arnold ...while others talk about taking out the K and M aperture lever... They won't need to do so, then. Andre
Re: P30 vs. Super program (Super A)?
Exposure compensation detents are full stops. Pentax lied about synch speed. It's 1/90th. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. Got two SuperPrograms. -Lon Alan Chan wrote: 15 - 1/2000 shutter speeds, synch is at 1/90 (although specified as 1/125) ??? Exposure compensation +/- 2 EV, continuous, with detents at full stops 1/2 stops as I remember. regards, Alan Chan _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Re: virus
We don't joke about ~real~ viruses around these parts anymore! vbg ciao, frank (from the SARS capital of the Western World) ps: Toronto, with it's huge inferiority complex, has yearned to be a world class city for decades - well, we're finally known around the world for ~something~!! vbg Lasse Karlsson wrote: snip Whaddya' (coff, coff) mean - virus?snip -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: virus
I'm a sympatico subscriber, too. I wondered the same thing about my 'puter. I didn't open the attachment, though. Hope I'm ok! cheers, frank T Rittenhouse wrote: Says something for Norton. Another poster said his McAfee didn't catch it, and my AVG didn't catch it. However, I never open an unsolicited .exe file. I wonder if Caveman's system, or his ISP's is not he infected one, as he is at sympatico dot ca. -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: K on *ist D compatible without metering?
Ahhh The K-1000 DOF trick. Just don't drop the lens.. Arnold Stark wrote: Well, with K- and M-lenses you can have all apertures with the *ist D in manual mode, but you won't be able to have the camera meter in manual mode with these lenses. Taking out the aperture lever would indeed bring metered aperture priority operation. Another quite awkward possibilty to meter with K-series lenses at all apertures in aperture priority mode would be to unlock the lens as if to take it from the body but turning it only so far that the camera's aperture lever has no more contact with the lens's aperture lever so that the lens stops down. Arnold Andre Langevin schrieb: The meter works in aperture priority mode for all lenses, including K, M and M42, however, in aperture priority mode, K and M lenses will stay wide open during exposure no matter what aperture you choose on the lens. No metering is available in manual mode, Hopefully you add this however in your second message... however, all aperture values can be selected, and the lens really stops down in manual mode during exposure or when DOF previewing. Arnold ...while others talk about taking out the K and M aperture lever... They won't need to do so, then. Andre
Optio S flash
Apparently the Optio S uses a flash system similar to the MZ-S. In normal flash mode there are 2 quick flashed and in red eye reduction there are three. Has Pentax been able to get a flash sensor inside something this small? Bill
Re: Masahi Pentax ...
It's actually French: M'Asahi, or my Asahi. Okay, that's a bad one... One of my favourite eBay mis-spellings (other than Cannon, Pantax, Pentex, etc) is Yashika - especially, it seems, from Germany (I guess they like k's g). cheers, frank Joe Wilensky wrote: I never thought to bookmark Masahi in an eBay search to catch misspellings ... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2934236813category=11720 The mistake is in the title and in the description! Why are there so many mistakes like this when it's right on the camera in front of them? Like Cannon ... Joe -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: OT:Twelve Hours in Paris
I wish I ~had~ some shots from Paris... vbg -frank Mike Ignatiev wrote: I wish my shots from Paris were half as good. Mishka From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT:Twelve Hours in Paris On a recent business trip to Paris I decided to stay over one day and shoot some film. -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: Virus in PDML?
Alin Flaider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's the BugBear. It uses the address books of infected computers to harvest email addresses that's used both for sender and recipient. It doesn't use just the address book. It also scans your web browser's cache and looks for mailto links on the HTML pages there. This really opens up possibilities for deception. Using addresses for sender different than the one of the infected account is intended to increase the confusion and reduce the chances to trace the infected computer. Most likely it's not Paal that sent you the virus. He just happened to be in somebody else's address book. Yep. He's probably in a lot of people's address books. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Various and sundry
We cannot afford to let Cotty into the states. Folks might start thinking 1776 was a mistake. -Lon Cotty wrote: Hi Troops... [snip] Gee, remember when it was okay on the list to enjoy using your Pentax gear? I know it's not the popular view, but I like my Pentax stuff. I don't spend my time worrying about what might or might not happen in the future. That won't help my photos one little bit. What does help is burning a little film. Try it. You might like it. Doug Best post I've read in fe-fe-fe-fe-flipping ages. Thanks Doug. I'll be there in '04 to try yer 645 ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
OT: Seamless Paper or Muslin?
Hi everyone, I'm curious, for those who use backgrounds, which do they prefer and why; seamless paper or muslin? I've been considering purchasing a background for myself for portrait and full body work but now I have a suspicion that seamless paper may be more convenient and, in the long run, more versatile. Any and all comments and input welcome and appreciated. Cheers, Dave
Re: Virus in PDML?
Okay, then, Alin, Since so many have reported that the apparent originating address seems to be sympatico.ca, and both Caveman and me have Sympatico addresses (maybe others, I can't remember), is it possible that one of us passed on the virus? When I received the offending e-mail, the forwarding address was something like [EMAIL PROTECTED], not a Sympatico address. OTOH, no one else in my address book has reported that they've received a virus from me. cheers, frank Alin Flaider wrote: It's the BugBear. It uses the address books of infected computers to harvest email addresses that's used both for sender and recipient. Using addresses for sender different than the one of the infected account is intended to increase the confusion and reduce the chances to trace the infected computer. Most likely it's not Paal that sent you the virus. He just happened to be in somebody else's address book. Servus, Alin Tetrazen wrote: T I've just received a virus in the attachment to the message sent from the T (fake?) address [EMAIL PROTECTED] T The virus is in preussen.gif.exe file from your Email address via PDML. T This message came directly (not via PDML). I suspect somebody here in PDML T got a virus on his PC... -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: virus
Frank wrote... ps: Toronto, with it's huge inferiority complex, has yearned to be a world class city for decades - well, we're finally known around the world for ~something~!! vbg Well, Charlotte has a superiority complex in that it thinks it's better and bigger than it really is :-) Bill
Re: Pentax's future (was: *ist D revisited)
And I choose tripod before USM. I never did figure out how this is supposed to be so wonderful. The bigger the lens, the harder to handhold. Jeeze, just how long do you want to hold even a 300mm lens waiting for the moment? In fact, most of my tripod shots are pre-framed, pre-focused, and I sit there with an old fashioned cable release just looking at the subject. Much rather do that than hand hold. Alan Chan wrote: If the plain K-mount compatibility is really gone (and I agree it is) then actually the IS is not as critical as the USM IMHO. If you ask me, I think both are important these days. However, if one must choose, I will put IS before USM. It really saves your lots of blurred shots with telephotos. regards, Alan Chan _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
RE: virus
-Original Message- From: T Rittenhouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Says something for Norton. Another poster said his McAfee didn't catch it, and my AVG didn't catch it. However, I never open an unsolicited .exe file. Yeah, Norton caught it for me. tv
Re: Exposure
You have to do the calibrating. For instance my old Graphex shutter on the Press Camera is consistent to within 1/6 stop (checking 10-12 times for each speed) but is quite a bit off the marked speeds, a modern electrically timed shutter should be much more consistant. My incident meter reads to 1/10 stop and is consistent +- one mark. If your film needs are critical you buy large quantities of the same emulsion number, and store it in the freezer after testing a few rolls. You also have to do your own developing to achive consistant processing. All that being said, I never worked to those levels of accuracy. 1/2 stop is fine for my critical needs, and 1 stop for general photography. So, in a way you are correct, you can not achive that kind of accuracy off the shelf, but it can be done. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:45 PM Subject: RE: Exposure I dont believe that any 35mm SLR shutters and apertures are calibratable to that degree of accuracy at ALL settings. Secondly there are additional errors of consistancy even if you could calibrate a given setting's AVERAGE value to perfection.
Re: Purchasing Film for Holiday in the UK
Cotty wrote: If you have a lead-lined bag, this is absolutely the way to do it. You backpack (or whatever) goes through the machine, they frown, it gets pulled aside, opened, out comes the bag, gets opened, out come the film cans - but do they get put through again? Never in my experience. They merely open the film cans to make sure it's actually film inside. I always remove the cans from the boxes. Primarily so that I can fit more film in the bag. But the security people have never ran the film through the machine. And I've flown over a million miles with film. Aw you say, a lead bag in your carry-on is the way to do it. Paul
RE: Exposure
Seemed to me that he was implying that he has the ability to expose every frame he shoots within 1/3 stop of a TECHNICALLY perfect exposure with a TLL meter reading. He has no clue that his camera/lenses are not that accurate or consistent across all the settings. JCO -Original Message- From: Caveman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Exposure The problem is that he's claiming he gets a Something that he's not defining what it is. I may claim that I can get the trusty exposure anytime all day long 100% accurate. Can you argue with that without me defining what a trusty exposure would be ? And of course, I may also claim that it's something you never got and will never be able to. And you still can't argue. cheers, caveman J. C. O'Connell wrote: the problem is that he is making these claims on cameras using TTL metering (open aperture) that assume the selected f-stop and shutter speed combination is not only perfect, but also that changing the speed and aperture settings to what is theoretically the equivalent exposure is also perfect even though a DIFFERENT compensation may needed from the first one. The meter cant be right for both but it indicates the same. JCO -Original Message- From: Mike Ignatiev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: J. C. O'Connell Subject: Re[2]: Exposure So make a table: Lens | Shutter Speed | Aperture | Compensation - || | What's the big deal? I was not saying it's not random. That is irrelevant. What matters is that it's reproducible to withing your tolerances. If your cammera gives you random shutter speeds at the same position of the dial, or the same lens has different aperture openings at the same aperture setting (over the tolerances) -- that means the equipment is junk. Mishka -Original Message- From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mike Ignatiev [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:02:13 -0400 Subject: RE: Exposure shutter speed and aperture variations are random from stop to stop and speed to speed. There is no way to calibrate them out of the system. Especially if youre using different lenses which may not match each other stop for stop. JCO
Re: Virus in PDML?
Luckily it was in an attachment. I do hate they way MickyShit won't let me delete an e-mail before I open it. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Peter Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Outhouse express will open it for you at it's default installation settings, unless Microsoft has changed things.
Re: Purchasing Film for Holiday in the UK
Joe Wilensky wrote: I've heard that in many cases, if they see a lead-lined bag, they just turn up the power of the (new and more powerful) x-ray scanner to see through it, which then subjects the film to more radiation than it would have seen if it had gone through without a bag. Is this true? No.
Pentax K1000 FS
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Re: OT:Twelve Hours in Paris
Thank you. Mike Ignatiev wrote: I wish my shots from Paris were half as good. Mishka From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT:Twelve Hours in Paris On a recent business trip to Paris I decided to stay over one day and shoot some film.
Re: Purchasing Film for Holiday in the UK
Good lead bags are impenetrable by any amount of x-ray. Paul mike wilson wrote: Hi, Joe Wilensky wrote: I've heard that in many cases, if they see a lead-lined bag, they just turn up the power of the (new and more powerful) x-ray scanner to see through it, which then subjects the film to more radiation than it would have seen if it had gone through without a bag. Is this true? It's certainly possible, which is why I've always just put the film straight through without protection. Never had a problem yet, although I tend to use slower film generally. Once had some negative 1000ASA that went through at least 10 machines without appreciable degradation. mike
Re: Pentax's future (was: *ist D revisited)
that works well if your subject isn't moving rapidly from place to place. for certain types of subjects, you have to wait a lot longer to get the shot you need if you insist on using a tripod. i'm not saying it can't be done as obviously people have done it. Herb... - Original Message - From: Lon Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 17:57 Subject: Re: Pentax's future (was: *ist D revisited) And I choose tripod before USM. I never did figure out how this is supposed to be so wonderful. The bigger the lens, the harder to handhold. Jeeze, just how long do you want to hold even a 300mm lens waiting for the moment? In fact, most of my tripod shots are pre-framed, pre-focused, and I sit there with an old fashioned cable release just looking at the subject. Much rather do that than hand hold.
RE: Exposure
Your mentioning large format shutters/apertures. Those are not the same as 35mm shutters. For example, on a large format shutter you could easily SCRIBE a new aperture scale at the correct points, the 35mm SLR lenses arent built that way. They cant be rescribed because the meter requires a specific angular travel per stop. JCO -Original Message- From: T Rittenhouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Exposure You have to do the calibrating. For instance my old Graphex shutter on the Press Camera is consistent to within 1/6 stop (checking 10-12 times for each speed) but is quite a bit off the marked speeds, a modern electrically timed shutter should be much more consistant. My incident meter reads to 1/10 stop and is consistent +- one mark. If your film needs are critical you buy large quantities of the same emulsion number, and store it in the freezer after testing a few rolls. You also have to do your own developing to achive consistant processing. All that being said, I never worked to those levels of accuracy. 1/2 stop is fine for my critical needs, and 1 stop for general photography. So, in a way you are correct, you can not achive that kind of accuracy off the shelf, but it can be done. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:45 PM Subject: RE: Exposure I dont believe that any 35mm SLR shutters and apertures are calibratable to that degree of accuracy at ALL settings. Secondly there are additional errors of consistancy even if you could calibrate a given setting's AVERAGE value to perfection.
Re: Pentax proudly presents a new lens mount, the KAF3
I guess what I want to know about the two FAJ sigma killers in the works is: are they _better_ than Sigma lenses? Arnold Stark wrote: Alexander, When I invested into new and old Pentax equipment I did so because of the compatibilty of the k-mount. Suddenly this compatibilty is reduced for effectively no particular reason at all. Pentax is NOT just doing what everybody else does: Pentax changed its mount already in 1975. They have advertised the compatibilty of the k-mount ever since the SFX. Now they are effectively changing their mount for the 2nd time - which other manufacturer changed their mount twice? And even if they were doing like everybody else, this would not make their move any better. Everybody else doing something bad is no excuse for me doing so, too. Yes, I can use my A, F and FA lenses on the *ist D, and even if there was full compatibilty they certainly match it much better than K-and M-series lenses. However, I still can not see why Pentax decides that I should NOT be able to sensibly use my older lenses on the *ist D as well. I myself want to be able to decide which of my Pentax lenses I use on the *ist D. I am adult and can take my own decisions. Arnold Then most of your stuff will fit the *istD. You said in an earlier post that the you have a complete line-up of AF lenses. I can't help I find this continuous whining highly exaggregated. And irrational. Pentax just did what every other company is doing.
RE: OT:Twelve Hours in Paris
I have some shots from Paris Las Vegas...it's not quite the same thing though... tv -Original Message- From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I wish I ~had~ some shots from Paris... vbg -frank Mike Ignatiev wrote: I wish my shots from Paris were half as good. Mishka From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT:Twelve Hours in Paris On a recent business trip to Paris I decided to stay over one day and shoot some film.
RE: Pentax's future (was: *ist D revisited)
-Original Message- From: Lon Williamson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] And I choose tripod before USM. I never did figure out how this is supposed to be so wonderful. The bigger the lens, the harder to handhold. Jeeze, just how long do you want to hold even a 300mm lens waiting for the moment? Lon, USM is the rinfg motor, IS is image stabiliztion. IS is one of those things you just have to try to appreciate. Handholding a 300mm, shooting at 1/60, and getting sharp images is a good thing. Tripods aren't always usable. My 70-200/2.8 IS should be here in time for this weekend's gig...thanks Mark! tv
Re: OT:Twelve Hours in Paris
As do I. Fortunately, I don't own many Leica lenses, and I didn't have much room in my luggage. g Paul U+B Scheffler wrote: I think there is yet another thing Paul teaches us: One camera with one (prime) lens can be enough to get impressive photos. I admit I often forget that fact. Regards, Bernd ---original message-- Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 17:54:25 -0400 From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT:Twelve Hours in Paris Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tres biens faites, Paul! Ils sont tous incroyable. You've convinced me of two things: First, it's always been a dream of mine to go to Paris some day. Now I want to all the more. Second, I don't want to get rid of my Leica :-( But, how did you do it? No autofocus. No matrix metering. No ttl metering. No metering at all! Didn't your wrist get tired cranking that winder all day? vbg Seriously, great work, Paul. That's a portfolio anyone can be proud of. cheers, frank Paul Stenquist wrote: On a recent business trip to Paris I decided to stay over one day and shoot some film. I had only my 1953 vintage Leica iiif and Summicron 50/2, but that seemed an appropriate choice for a Paris walkaround. I shot from ten in the morning until ten at night, walking about 20 miles in the process. Rather than take a lot of tourist photos, I tried to capture little glimpses of everyday life in the city. I interspersed these with some shots of the landmarks I passed. You can find them here http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=311283 -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: To Pentax in Japan (does anybody have their email address?)
Mr. Robb, I hope someone at Pentax Japan is reading this recent spate of posts by you. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Pål Jensen Subject: Re: To Pentax in Japan (does anybody have their email address?) Mark wrote: Backwards compatibility isn't just about being able to use certain lenses with certain cameras, it's about giving your potential customers the confidence that what they buy today will be compatible tomorrow. *That's* the most important thing Pentax is throwing away. But in all fairness we are talking 20 years here, not tomorrow. No other company offer better backwards support either. Drop K mount compatablity today, drop A mount compatablity tomorrow If they set the trend by dropping system compatability, something they have historically bragged about, and they already have the possibility of dropping aperture ring compatability, they they cannot be trusted to support any future equipment compatability. William Robb
Re: Velbon PH-273QL Ball head
Pål Jensen wrote: John said that the PH-273 could not hold a Hasselblad with a 150mm lens. However, my PH-273QL with the 645NII and the heavy 120/4 Macro is rock steady. My guess is that the PH-273 offer less optimal coupling between head and body as it doesn't have quick release plates, only cork on the base and a thumb wheel to thighten the camera to the head. In other words it is hard to really tighten the camera to the head without a quick release system. Hi Pål, Could I possibly ask you to buy all my gear for me, and let me reimburse you at, say, 120% of the cost to you? I ask because those things that simply do not work for me often appear to work exptemely well for you, and that is well worth paying 20% extra for! ;-) Best regards, John P.S. I had an Arca-type QR fitted to my PH-273.
Re: Various and sundry
We cannot afford to let Cotty into the states. Folks might start thinking 1776 was a mistake Trying to figure out whether that's a compliment or an insult... I'll have another drink instead. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Airports Again
I've heard that in many cases, if they see a lead-lined bag, they just turn up the power of the (new and more powerful) x-ray scanner to see through it, which then subjects the film to more radiation than it would have seen if it had gone through without a bag. Is this true? Joe, I have no idea but can envisage a number of the airport security plods going ha! caught you, you crafty little so so. I'll teach you to upset the apple cart - and turning it up to 11 (because it's 1 more than ten) It's something I've always wanted to ask them but that might be misconstrued and I end up in a cell for a few hours with some laughing amateur proctologist plod. New stuff: Last fall I enjoyed my 36th trans-Atlantic flight. So I've had much anguish over film and airport security, and much experience with it. It is my understanding that the x-ray machines that we all encounter cannot be turned up. There is a facility to switch the display colors, which the operators use when they cannot see something clearly. What I have found over the past couple of years is that a lead-lined film bag will now trigger a hand search of your carry-on, your shoes, and intimate parts of your person. This is because they cannot see inside the bag. The x-ray machine cannot be turned up. I used to use a lead-lined bag. Last fall I went to France with 2 or 3 dozen rolls of film up to ISO 800 but without the bag. Results: no problems with or without the lead-lined bag. Joe
Re: Various and sundry
Hey, Cotty, Screw the Yanks. C'mon to Canada for a visit. I wanna see you, Caveman and Wheatfield sitting at the same table!! vbg cheers, frank Cotty wrote: We cannot afford to let Cotty into the states. Folks might start thinking 1776 was a mistake Trying to figure out whether that's a compliment or an insult... I'll have another drink instead. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: Exposure
J. C. O'Connell wrote: Seemed to me that he was implying that he has the ability to expose every frame he shoots within 1/3 stop of a TECHNICALLY perfect exposure with a TLL meter reading. If it's about the technical definition. There's a way to prove such claim. Hello, Paal ! Here is what you can do: - you take a roll of velvia and expose it with several subjects. You write down on a paper what density the film should have for a couple of objects present in each frame - to avoid cheatin', you send the unprocessed film to Saskatchewan Bill and a copy of the paper to me; also a copy of the paper, without your expected readings (just the objects list), to Bill - Bill processes the film himself or at your choice of lab in Regina (or you send it to me and I'll process it at your choice of lab in Montreal) - then he pulls out the microdensitometer, and fills in the densities for each object on your list, and posts the results on PDML. - then we check if all of them are within 1/3 stop of what you wrote down on your list If you are right, I'll pay the film the mailing and the processing and will hail you as THE Master of Technical Exposure. If not, you'll pay processing and get some cave laughings at you. cheers, caveman
Re: Favourite Lens
Any pentax 50mm and the K135f2.5, and I have _no_ idea why. zoomshot wrote: Ok, we haven't had a survey for a long time so, which one is it and why?
Re: Favourite Body
Still a working KX, but over the last 6 months I have begun to appreciate the MXen. Lukasz Kacperczyk wrote: FM3a - perfect for my 105/2.5 And already we have a controversial answer :-) Lukasz === www.fotopolis.pl [EMAIL PROTECTED] === internetowy magazyn o fotografii
Re: virus
As Mark Twain is reputed to have said about being ridden out of town on a rail, if not for the singular honor I would rather forgo the experience. At 05:23 PM 6/11/03 -0400, you wrote: We don't joke about ~real~ viruses around these parts anymore! vbg ciao, frank (from the SARS capital of the Western World) ps: Toronto, with it's huge inferiority complex, has yearned to be a world class city for decades - well, we're finally known around the world for ~something~!! vbg Lasse Karlsson wrote: snip Whaddya' (coff, coff) mean - virus?snip -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
