Re: Soon to be new istD owners
I am considering getting one, although I would like to see what the second generation dslr will have for improvements. Canon had the D30. There were some yelps about some of the features which resulted in the D60. So I am going to wait a bit to see what happens with Pentax. Jim A. From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 22:08:38 -0800 To: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Soon to be new istD owners Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 01:06:29 -0500 So, how many of the list are now considering the istD now that it will work better with the K and M lenses? I'm now giving it some thought. shel
A few more istD questions
What's the size of the RAW file generated by the istd? the tiff file? does the camera support WA cards? About how long does it take the camera to write a RAW or TIFF file to a fast CF card? Is there a buffer of some sort that allows one to continue shooting while the card is being written to, or are several shots stored in a buffer? In any case, how many exposures can be made in reasonably rapid succession before you have to wait until the camera catches up. BH has the camera for $1350. Anyone seen a better price at a reputable shop? Do they come in snake skin, or just regular black?
Re: version 1.1
Very nice! There´s an M* 300mm for sale here for about $350. Maybe I can buy it now :-) DagT På 9. jan. 2004 kl. 04.59 skrev William Robb: Friends, we have improved K-mount compatability. Now, with the lens off A, putting the camera into manual and pressing the green button will give the correct shutter speed. EV comp im manual is a nice touch. The ist D camera just got a whole lot better. William Robb
Re: PUG Submissions for 2004
I thought it was for close ups of branded filters. g Peter - Original Message - From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 8:27 PM Subject: Re: PUG Submissions for 2004 Hi, Also, noticed that August is for BW submissions. Is that for real BW, or does C-41 BW get included as well as desaturated color? it's for pictures of zebras, nuns, penguins, waiters and skunks. -- Cheers, Bob
RE: Firmware 1.10 and M lens
On 9 Jan 2004 at 8:38, Antti-Pekka Virjonen wrote: This update is an example which shows that Pentax does listen to their customers after all... See whining works :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
RE: version 1.1
Very nice! There´s an M* 300mm for sale here for about $350. Maybe I can buy it now :-) DagT You're enabled ! Antti-Pekka --- Antti-Pekka Virjonen Computec Oy, Turku Finland Gsm: +358-500-789 753 www.computec.fi * www.estera.fi
Re: version 1.1
HORRRAAAY Friends, we have improved K-mount compatability. Now, with the lens off A, putting the camera into manual and pressing the green button will give the correct shutter speed. EV comp im manual is a nice touch. The ist D camera just got a whole lot better. HORRRAAAY again! A big THANK YOU to Pentax for listening to us, for reading our letters, and for caring for our complaints This may be the best answer that you possibly could have given Another big THANK YOU to the Pentax staff who pushed, took and implemented this decision NOW I'll start saving for an *ist D Arnold
Re: Soon to be new istD owners
I am Arnold Shel Belinkoff schrieb: So, how many of the list are now considering the istD now that it will work better with the K and M lenses? I'm now giving it some thought. shel
Re: Lens for *istD
This one time, at band camp, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, There is always the digital only 16-45 that is coming out. You didn't mention whether you needed it to work on a film camera or not. As I understand, the lenses made for the *istD are to suit the smaller sized sensor. Should a 24mmx36mm sensor come along, would these lenses not be obsolete? And we could all go along using our 35mm lenses we have cherished for so long. Kind regards Kevin -- __ (_ \ _) ) | / / _ ) / _ | / ___) / _ ) | | ( (/ / ( ( | |( (___ ( (/ / |_| \) \_||_| \) \) Kevin Waterson Port Macquarie, Australia
A low end Pentax DSLR coming this year
Another Pentax DSLR will be released this year at 1/2 the price of the *ist D. The new model will be made of plastic to reduce the manufacturing cost. I have copied the translation below. http://www.jij.co.jp/news/car/art-20031225202640-GQXZLDNFQD.nwc Regards, Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan A pen tack, the low price model injection which will be a lens exchange formula digital camera also at next year (Nihon Kogyo Shimbun 2003/12/26) A pen tack supplies the low price model for beginners also in next year as part of the sales promotion strategy of a lens exchange formula digital single-lens reflex camera. Although the lens exchange formula digital single-lens reflex camera market monopolizes the market mostly with market share about 80% at two companies, NIKON and Canon, a pen tack is supplying a low price model, and aims at the improvement in a market share in this market. A pen tack will enter into a lens exchange formula digital single lens reflex camera market in August, this year. pen tack *ISUTO D of No. 1 -- the amount of these weights -- the world -- the maximum -- having held down to 550g which becomes lightweight -- the feature It developed adopting as a main part material the stainless steel which has lightweight and high durability etc. for a photographer, a pro called a report, or upper persons. Since the expensive material was used, the main part price became a large sum setup 200,000 yen order. The company judges that it is necessary to throw in the goods of the low price belt which can also purchase an amateur layer easily, in order to expand the foot of a lens exchange formula digital single lens reflex camera. It decided to decide on the injection of a low price model. It designs so that it can equip with the interchangeable lens undecidedly [ detailed spec. ] for the lens exchange formula film single-lens reflex cameras of the company where the lens mount portion shipped the 6,500,000 [ about ] total but. Although a price will be packed from now on, it is expected that it becomes just over or below 100,000 yen. Because a lens exchange formula digital single lens reflex camera can expect sale of accessories, such as an interchangeable lens with thick profit margin besides a large sum main part, and a flash, the new goods from the competition other companies, such as NIKON which has entered into this market, and Canon, Olympus, are also likely to be thrown in one after another. _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
Re: Two Things That P***ed Me Off Today!
Ask the producer for a new firmware update... DagT På 9. jan. 2004 kl. 09.34 skrev Ryan Lee: Ahh.. I thought it was a banner between the lampposts/phone poles. :-) Need to recalibrate my eyes.. Regards, Ryan
Re: version 1.1
Friends, we have improved K-mount compatability. Now, with the lens off A, putting the camera into manual and pressing the green button will give the correct shutter speed. EV comp im manual is a nice touch. The ist D camera just got a whole lot better. Pretty much exactly what I predicted would be the best we could hope for, back when the camera was first released. I'm favourably impressed; while it was apparent that these capabilities were technically feasible, I still thought that the hyper manual stop-down metering was too much to expect.
Re: A few more istD questions
On Fri, 2004-01-09 at 09:10, Bruce Dayton wrote: Thursday, January 8, 2004, 11:10:13 PM, Shell wrote: SB does the camera support WA cards? Yes, I have two 512 40x WA cards that I use. It also supports FAT32 so it can use the 4GB cards. Does this mean I can format my 512MB CF card with FAT32? If the *ist D formats it, it is FAT, I assume that is FAT16. Can the *ist D format a 4GB card? -- Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A low end Pentax DSLR coming this year
It´s not surprising, as C and N does the same. I would have bought the *istD anyway, as I hated the plastic 300D. DagT På 9. jan. 2004 kl. 09.54 skrev Alan Chan: Another Pentax DSLR will be released this year at 1/2 the price of the *ist D. The new model will be made of plastic to reduce the manufacturing cost. I have copied the translation below. http://www.jij.co.jp/news/car/art-20031225202640-GQXZLDNFQD.nwc Regards, Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan A pen tack, the low price model injection which will be a lens exchange formula digital camera also at next year (Nihon Kogyo Shimbun 2003/12/26) A pen tack supplies the low price model for beginners also in next year as part of the sales promotion strategy of a lens exchange formula digital single-lens reflex camera. Although the lens exchange formula digital single-lens reflex camera market monopolizes the market mostly with market share about 80% at two companies, NIKON and Canon, a pen tack is supplying a low price model, and aims at the improvement in a market share in this market. A pen tack will enter into a lens exchange formula digital single lens reflex camera market in August, this year. pen tack *ISUTO D of No. 1 -- the amount of these weights -- the world -- the maximum -- having held down to 550g which becomes lightweight -- the feature It developed adopting as a main part material the stainless steel which has lightweight and high durability etc. for a photographer, a pro called a report, or upper persons. Since the expensive material was used, the main part price became a large sum setup 200,000 yen order. The company judges that it is necessary to throw in the goods of the low price belt which can also purchase an amateur layer easily, in order to expand the foot of a lens exchange formula digital single lens reflex camera. It decided to decide on the injection of a low price model. It designs so that it can equip with the interchangeable lens undecidedly [ detailed spec. ] for the lens exchange formula film single-lens reflex cameras of the company where the lens mount portion shipped the 6,500,000 [ about ] total but. Although a price will be packed from now on, it is expected that it becomes just over or below 100,000 yen. Because a lens exchange formula digital single lens reflex camera can expect sale of accessories, such as an interchangeable lens with thick profit margin besides a large sum main part, and a flash, the new goods from the competition other companies, such as NIKON which has entered into this market, and Canon, Olympus, are also likely to be thrown in one after another. _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en- caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgma rket%3den-ca
Re: A low end Pentax DSLR coming this year
Interesting. Is tis the news about the *ist D that mentioned yesterday? On Fri, 2004-01-09 at 09:54, Alan Chan wrote: Another Pentax DSLR will be released this year at 1/2 the price of the *ist D. The new model will be made of plastic to reduce the manufacturing cost. I have copied the translation below. http://www.jij.co.jp/news/car/art-20031225202640-GQXZLDNFQD.nwc Regards, Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan A pen tack, the low price model injection which will be a lens exchange formula digital camera also at next year (Nihon Kogyo Shimbun 2003/12/26) A pen tack supplies the low price model for beginners also in next year as part of the sales promotion strategy of a lens exchange formula digital single-lens reflex camera. Although the lens exchange formula digital single-lens reflex camera market monopolizes the market mostly with market share about 80% at two companies, NIKON and Canon, a pen tack is supplying a low price model, and aims at the improvement in a market share in this market. A pen tack will enter into a lens exchange formula digital single lens reflex camera market in August, this year. pen tack *ISUTO D of No. 1 -- the amount of these weights -- the world -- the maximum -- having held down to 550g which becomes lightweight -- the feature It developed adopting as a main part material the stainless steel which has lightweight and high durability etc. for a photographer, a pro called a report, or upper persons. Since the expensive material was used, the main part price became a large sum setup 200,000 yen order. The company judges that it is necessary to throw in the goods of the low price belt which can also purchase an amateur layer easily, in order to expand the foot of a lens exchange formula digital single lens reflex camera. It decided to decide on the injection of a low price model. It designs so that it can equip with the interchangeable lens undecidedly [ detailed spec. ] for the lens exchange formula film single-lens reflex cameras of the company where the lens mount portion shipped the 6,500,000 [ about ] total but. Although a price will be packed from now on, it is expected that it becomes just over or below 100,000 yen. Because a lens exchange formula digital single lens reflex camera can expect sale of accessories, such as an interchangeable lens with thick profit margin besides a large sum main part, and a flash, the new goods from the competition other companies, such as NIKON which has entered into this market, and Canon, Olympus, are also likely to be thrown in one after another. _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca -- Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: It's Stopped Raining
On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, William Robb wrote: Put the equipment into a freezer bag (we get zip lock bags here, you probably have something similar. Close the bag almost all the way, and put a drinking straw into the opening. Close the opening around the straw, then suck as much air out as you can. Pull the straw out and quickly close the last bit of bag. It'll get most of the air out. Many thanks for this! Kostas
RE: Firmware 1.10 and M lens
On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, Rob Studdert wrote: On 9 Jan 2004 at 8:38, Antti-Pekka Virjonen wrote: This update is an example which shows that Pentax does listen to their customers after all... See whining works :-) I am 10 years away from the *ist-D and still over the moon with the news. Kostas
Re: A few more istD questions
This one time, at band camp, Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does this mean I can format my 512MB CF card with FAT32? If the *ist D formats it, it is FAT, I assume that is FAT16. Can the *ist D format a 4GB card? It may format the drive as FAT16, depending on the operating system. The word from our friends at Micro soft is basically this: FAT16 volumes larger than 2 GB are not accessible from computers running MS-DOS, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows Me, and many other operating systems. This limitation occurs because these operating systems do not support cluster sizes larger than 32 KB, which results in the 2 GB limit. Kind regards Kevin -- __ (_ \ _) ) | / / _ ) / _ | / ___) / _ ) | | ( (/ / ( ( | |( (___ ( (/ / |_| \) \_||_| \) \) Kevin Waterson Port Macquarie, Australia
Re: version 1.1
John Francis said: Pretty much exactly what I predicted would be the best we could hope for, back when the camera was first released. I'm favourably impressed; while it was apparent that these capabilities were technically feasible, I still thought that the hyper manual stop-down metering was too much to expect. I find it interesting that they chose to address M-lens compatibility with new firmware *first*, of all the other potential things they could have done. They could have, say, added flashing red blown highlights, which would seem to be of value to a wider audience. It does seem that they realised that a large number of (potential) *istD owners value their old lenses. For me, the fact that they issued a firmware update at all makes me more confident that they might issue a next one later, maybe adding blown highlight indication then and histogram on instant review then. But I also wanted M-lens compatibility *first* :-) -- ,_ /_) /| / / i e t e r/ |/ a g e l This message was sent using MetroWEB's AirMail service. http://www.metroweb.co.za/ - full access for only R59. Free WebMail, Calendar, Anti-Virus, Anti-Spam, 10 emails Phone Now! 086 11 11 440
Unusual subjects to photograph.
The interesting posting by Frank 'one R' Theriault on people and their bikes has reminded me of something I saw late last year. I saw someone photographing a house that was having work done to it, with builders filling a skip with the properties old bathroom and assumed he was an agent, taking a picture for the property adverts. As I got closer, it was clear he was taking a picture or two of the skip itself! He was using a beaten up MX and as I had mine with me at the time I started a conversation with him, as I was curious why he was taking pictures of the skip. Anyway, cutting a long story short, that is all he takes photos of (and has done for over 25 years) as part of a social documentary on how affluent society is and how it has changed and how much 'we' waste. For the last 5 or so years, new fitted kitchens and expensive toys which have lasted a year get thrown on a skip and are taken away by the skip company; in the early 70s it was almost impossible to fill one, as someone would have a use for an old door or would take an old bike away to restore etc. I thought that was quite an interesting subject. Malcolm
Re: A few more istD questions
On 8 Jan 2004 at 23:10, Shel Belinkoff wrote: What's the size of the RAW file generated by the istd? the tiff file? Shel, The entire manual is available for DL as a pdf from the Pentax web site. The manual contains tables pertaining to card image capacity/file size for all common memory card sizes plus of course it also contains all the specs (excluding the recent firmware upgrade :-) Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Singapore? (Very long: A reasonably detailed walkthrough..)
On 9 Jan 2004 at 18:30, Ryan Lee wrote: Actually Stan, it's my word against Juey's, but pickpocketing is not common at all. Really. I don't think you could get pickpocketed unless you were trying real hard For what it's worth I felt quite safe in Singapore at night, more so than Sydney city. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: version 1.1
Anybody on the list capable of looking at the code to see if they've done anything in this update that they aren't talking about? Covert bug/exposure fixes? Then news is great and I wonder what else might be there... Cory - Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax Discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 10:59 PM Subject: version 1.1 Friends, we have improved K-mount compatability. Now, with the lens off A, putting the camera into manual and pressing the green button will give the correct shutter speed. EV comp im manual is a nice touch. The ist D camera just got a whole lot better. William Robb --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.559 / Virus Database: 351 - Release Date: 1/7/2004
Re: version 1.1
John Francis said: Pretty much exactly what I predicted would be the best we could hope for, back when the camera was first released. I'm favourably impressed; while it was apparent that these capabilities were technically feasible, I still thought that the hyper manual stop-down metering was too much to expect. Hello, this is Thomas from Germany! I also just installed the new firmware; all language settings and user settings are kept after doing this - nice! Only date and time had be set again. Stop-down metering works well, I think I won't sell my SMC-M 85/2.0 that soon now... :-) But the best part of it: Green button or not, in M you also have full metering now with the DOF-preview activated! This of course also works with the vertical grip, and with all lenses be in K, M, A, F or FA! Very nice! This quite adds a Spottie-feeling to the Starkist, and I think I will use most of my lenses more often out of A again...better useabililty when swapping between different (and older) bodies. :-) Thomas
Re: File properties
you have to use a program that knows how to show the extra information. much is available via any EXIF 2.2-compatible browsing program. if you are using the *istD, you have to use the Pentax browser program to see all the settings. Herb. - Original Message - From: mapson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 10:42 PM Subject: File properties While the digital images are sill on the card in the camera, one can check the file properties, or more correctly the camera settings used when the picture was taken. Once I download them to the computer (via X-drive) I seem to lose all additional info. Only the picture itself survives.
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Re: Unusual subjects to photograph.
Hi, back in the good old days Steptoe Son would do the rounds every week and take the stuff away for recycling. I can still remember rag bone men in Leeds and Bradford from the 60s and 70s. It's interesting to see the opening sequence of old Steptoe shows. It was based in Hammersmith and filmed round there. When I see the state of the streets and property there in the 60s I'm amazed at their decrepitude. These are places that are worth millions now. Back then they were poor, working class tenements. (For the benefit of our US readers, Steptoe Son is the original of Sanford Son). -- Cheers, Bob Friday, January 9, 2004, 11:04:49 AM, you wrote: The interesting posting by Frank 'one R' Theriault on people and their bikes has reminded me of something I saw late last year. I saw someone photographing a house that was having work done to it, with builders filling a skip with the properties old bathroom and assumed he was an agent, taking a picture for the property adverts. As I got closer, it was clear he was taking a picture or two of the skip itself! He was using a beaten up MX and as I had mine with me at the time I started a conversation with him, as I was curious why he was taking pictures of the skip. Anyway, cutting a long story short, that is all he takes photos of (and has done for over 25 years) as part of a social documentary on how affluent society is and how it has changed and how much 'we' waste. For the last 5 or so years, new fitted kitchens and expensive toys which have lasted a year get thrown on a skip and are taken away by the skip company; in the early 70s it was almost impossible to fill one, as someone would have a use for an old door or would take an old bike away to restore etc. I thought that was quite an interesting subject. Malcolm
Re: It's Stopped Raining
On 8/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Put the equipment into a freezer bag (we get zip lock bags here, you probably have something similar. Close the bag almost all the way, and put a drinking straw into the opening. Close the opening around the straw, then suck as much air out as you can. Pull the straw out and quickly close the last bit of bag. It'll get most of the air out. William Robb Superb idea. I'll try it by filling with Pimms first... Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
OT: Re: twited pig
On 8/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: PS. More difficult than reading it would be the scrambling.. you missed an 'e' in your 'blivee' :-) A useful way to do it is start the first letter, and alternate the following letters with a left and right arrow key, then ending with the correct last letter. Well it wouldn't be a post from me without a typo in it, eh. You've really thought about this haven't you... I'm worried. ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Lens for *istD
keller.schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zitat von Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This one time, at band camp, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is always the digital only 16-45 that is coming out. You didn't mention whether you needed it to work on a film camera or not. As I understand, the lenses made for the *istD are to suit the smaller sized sensor. Should a 24mmx36mm sensor come along, would these lenses not be obsolete? And we could all go along using our 35mm lenses we have cherished for so long. It will not 'come along' unless Pentax decides to go this way ... and all indications say that they will not. ??? A Pentax engineer at last year's PMA specifically said they *were* pursuing full-frame digital! -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: version 1.1
John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still thought that the hyper manual stop-down metering was too much to expect. This idea may have been nixed because of concerns about battery drain. The stop-down solenoid may not draw a *lot* of current, it's probably a significant amount in the context of an already-power-hungry DSLR. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Soon to be new istD owners
So, how many of the list are now considering the istD now that it will work better with the K and M lenses? I'm now giving it some thought. shel I'm still debating. I want to upgrade from the curent 2.74 meg camera i currently own,D1, to the 4-6mp ones out there now.Right now i'm leaning to either the D100 or D2H,but if enough improvement can be made to accomadate my older Kand M lenses,i may look into the *istD. Low buffer numbers are whats holding me back on the D100 and *istD.I need the high buffer in some of my horse work,but its not crutal.Five would be ok but 8-10 better. You asked about recording a RAW and JPG together on the *istD.Not sure if it can,but the D2H can.So far this is my choice. Dave
Re: firmware update
Hey Bill, I'm eating. Right after I go take a few shots with USM and IS ;-) Yeah, C and N users, eat your hearts out! 8-) Ain't that a kick! LOL Bill Owens wrote: Seems to me that the ist D is now basically compatible with all past lenses. Bill Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Soon to be new istD owners
On 9/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: I am considering getting one, although I would like to see what the second generation dslr will have for improvements. Canon had the D30. There were some yelps about some of the features which resulted in the D60. So I am going to wait a bit to see what happens with Pentax. Interesting. I was waiting for the D60 instead of the D30, but the improvements were vast. For instance the resolution went from 3MP to 6MP and a host of other big improvements. It may look the same but it really is a very different camera. The D60 has much more in common with the 10D. I think that the *ist D rev2 will be more about fine-tuning than heaps of improvement. Does anyone think that they will change the sensor in favour of (say) an 8MP sonsor? What are are Nikon planning (in terms of sensors) ? Which begs the question: what improvements are wanted / needed on the *ist D rev2 ? Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
C***n [Was: Re: firmware update]
On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, Cotty wrote: Hey Bill, I'm eating. Right after I go take a few shots with USM and IS Did you add these to the 50/1.2 or are you using the Takumar (which always came with these)? :-) I am also wondering (genuinely this time) how much the motors built into the Canon lens weigh (perhaps they use more that one type, so perhaps a range would be nice). Kostas
Re: firmware update
I walked right into that one, didn't I :-) Bill - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 7:47 AM Subject: Re: firmware update Hey Bill, I'm eating. Right after I go take a few shots with USM and IS ;-) Yeah, C and N users, eat your hearts out! 8-) Ain't that a kick! LOL Bill Owens wrote: Seems to me that the ist D is now basically compatible with all past lenses. Bill Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Soon to be new istD owners
8MP and full frame sensor (Want). Then it would be like the DSLR Pentax teased us with. Enough of this APS in 35mm, 35mm in 645 crap. Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California Cotty wrote: Which begs the question: what improvements are wanted / needed on the *ist D rev2 ? Cheers, Cotty
Re: version 1.1
At 04:13 AM 09/01/2004 -0500, you wrote: From: Dag T [EMAIL PROTECTED] Very nice! There´s an M* 300mm for sale here for about $350. Maybe I can buy it now :-) DagT Sell you mine for that price if you want! Wendy Beard, Ottawa, Canada http://www.beard-redfern.com
Re: Techniques [Was: Re: JanEweAviary Pug Comments (all photos, long post)]
- Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 2:47 AM http://www.camilynne.com If you look through a bunch of her stuff you will note that many shots are very tight (cropping into the head, etc) and that many are shot on an angle. It is certainly a style. Some really like it and some don't care so much for it. So, the angle in this technique is to do with the camera, not the head. What I mean by the latter: I noticed that I like pictures of my daughter when her body is not straight opposite the lens, but rather to the side, so she has to turn slightly to face me (of course she never does when I ambush with the camera, but never mind :-). Apologies for the late answer. Happens when I want to study something a bit more. Thanks for the books suggestions too. Kostas
Re: Soon to be new istD owners
I really like that feature on my Sony. It allows me to shoot a big TIFF and also a small JPEG for a quick view of the frame in the PS browser window or for a quick run through in other software without having to wait for the big TIFF files to load. It gives me a quickie email file should that be desired, too. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You asked about recording a RAW and JPG together on the *istD.Not sure if it can,but the D2H can. So far this is my choice.
Re: version 1.1
wendy beard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dag T wrote: Very nice! There´s an M* 300mm for sale here for about $350. Maybe I can buy it now :-) Sell you mine for that price if you want! Oh great. Prices on K and M lenses are going back up again already! -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Two Things That P***ed Me Off Today!
http://www.elvum.net/gallery/barnes_flat/trandem_mounting Possibly not the best-taken photo ever, but quite fun :-) S frank theriault wrote: I've sort of been collecting photos of people and their bikes over the last while, and I've started to get them printed. My first large print was of this lovely looking couple I saw walking down the street. I asked if I could take their photograph, we chatted a while, and I took three or four shots. From the contacts, this was the best one; I really like the way she's looking at him: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2036662
Re: version 1.1
I downloaded direct to the camera instead of putting the installer on a CF card and putting that to the camera. Date - time and all other settings were preserved. Stan Thomas Stach wrote: this is Thomas from Germany! I also just installed the new firmware; all language settings and user settings are kept after doing this - nice! Only date and time had be set again.
Re: version 1.1
I used the card, and date and time was preserved. DagT På 9. jan. 2004 kl. 13.46 skrev Stan Halpin: I downloaded direct to the camera instead of putting the installer on a CF card and putting that to the camera. Date - time and all other settings were preserved. Stan Thomas Stach wrote: this is Thomas from Germany! I also just installed the new firmware; all language settings and user settings are kept after doing this - nice! Only date and time had be set again.
Re: A few more istD questions
Kevin, Does this mean the camera can write to this FAT16 card of 4GB, but the OS of the PC can not read beyond 2GB? No, probably it can't read it at all as the cluster sizes are too big. Then why use 2GB flash cards? I am confused. On Fri, 2004-01-09 at 10:59, Kevin Waterson wrote: This one time, at band camp, Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does this mean I can format my 512MB CF card with FAT32? If the *ist D formats it, it is FAT, I assume that is FAT16. Can the *ist D format a 4GB card? It may format the drive as FAT16, depending on the operating system. The word from our friends at Micro soft is basically this: FAT16 volumes larger than 2 GB are not accessible from computers running MS-DOS, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows Me, and many other operating systems. This limitation occurs because these operating systems do not support cluster sizes larger than 32 KB, which results in the 2 GB limit. Kind regards Kevin -- Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lens for *istD
Of course I don't 'know' what will happen - but wouldn't this be a big, big surprise, given that they have stopped developing their full frame DSLR in favour of the *ist D and have started developing and selling lenses with a smaller image circle? To me this looks like a complete change of direction rather than an interim solution. A full frame DSLR would just not fit into this picture - and there is no reason to believe that APS sized sensors cannot be developed further to achieve higher resolutions. Wouldn't Pentax be 'perfectly' lined up with a 10MP upgraded *ist D'n' plus a cheaper 'budget' version plus two or three DA wide angle lenses? Sven Zitat von Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]: keller.schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zitat von Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This one time, at band camp, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is always the digital only 16-45 that is coming out. You didn't mention whether you needed it to work on a film camera or not. As I understand, the lenses made for the *istD are to suit the smaller sized sensor. Should a 24mmx36mm sensor come along, would these lenses not be obsolete? And we could all go along using our 35mm lenses we have cherished for so long. It will not 'come along' unless Pentax decides to go this way ... and all indications say that they will not. ??? A Pentax engineer at last year's PMA specifically said they *were* pursuing full-frame digital! -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Soon to be new istD owners
It's on my to-buy-someday-soon list. ( Now, where's that lotto ticket? ) So, how many of the list are now considering the istD now that it will work better with the K and M lenses? I'm now giving it some thought. shel
Re: version 1.1
Interesting. I wonder why Thomas lost his date-time settings. stan Dag T wrote: I used the card, and date and time was preserved. DagT På 9. jan. 2004 kl. 13.46 skrev Stan Halpin: I downloaded direct to the camera instead of putting the installer on a CF card and putting that to the camera. Thomas Stach wrote: I also just installed the new firmware; all language settings and user settings are kept after doing this - nice! Only date and time had be set again.
RE: Firmware 1.10 and M lens
I just did the upgrade. This whole process is now eerily similar to my Spottie. It does work fine, however, and it meters correctly as my 4 shot test run indicates. Very acceptable result from my POV. My only confusion is that the associated paperwork on how to use HyM still warns about a possible exposure error. p. 129 in the book essentially repeats this warning. I guess I just don't see the problem. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lens for *istD
There is. Such things as noise/sensitivity considerations and diffraction limits. DagT På 9. jan. 2004 kl. 15.00 skrev keller.schaefer: A full frame DSLR would just not fit into this picture - and there is no reason to believe that APS sized sensors cannot be developed further to achieve higher resolutions.
Re: Soon to be new istD owners
Hi Steve ... I'm looking at the current model - or perhaps the less expensive one mentioned here earlier - as a replacement for my 4mp Sony and as a supplement to my film cameras. Personally, I don't see a need for a larger sensor or higher pixel count ... of course, that may change should I move to the istD and use it for a while, but for now it seems that I could be satisfied. Frankly, instead of more megapixels, I'd like to see more megaquality from the images ... perhaps a larger sensor would do that ... hmmm well, gotta play or pass with what's available. Steve Larson wrote: 8MP and full frame sensor (Want). Then it would be like the DSLR Pentax teased us with. Enough of this APS in 35mm, 35mm in 645 crap.
Re: Soon to be new istD owners
Right here. Wasn't even on the radar screen before, now I'm rethinking how much I want to spend on a bike when the tax return bunny visits me. William in Utah. - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 11:08 PM Subject: Soon to be new istD owners So, how many of the list are now considering the istD now that it will work better with the K and M lenses? I'm now giving it some thought. shel
Re: Firmware 1.10 and M lens
My guess is that this is a warning that if you change either the aperture or shutter speed, the green button needs to be pressed again. Think I'll go out and shoot some with the Vivitar S1 70-210. Bill My only confusion is that the associated paperwork on how to use HyM still warns about a possible exposure error. p. 129 in the book essentially repeats this warning. I guess I just don't see the problem. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Firmware 1.10 and M lens
- Original Message - From: Steve Desjardins Subject: RE: Firmware 1.10 and M lens I just did the upgrade. This whole process is now eerily similar to my Spottie. It does work fine, however, and it meters correctly as my 4 shot test run indicates. Very acceptable result from my POV. My only confusion is that the associated paperwork on how to use HyM still warns about a possible exposure error. p. 129 in the book essentially repeats this warning. I guess I just don't see the problem. Life seems to end at a second and a half with hypermanual/lens off A. Long exposure metering doesn't seem to happen. William Robb
Now that the ist-D firmware has been upgraded...
how about releasing some better RAW conversion and photo-browsing software? I'd like to see a re-sizable, zoomable Photo Laboratory window more than anything at this point. Christian
Re: Firmware 1.10 and M lens
Hi Bill, on 09 Jan 04 you wrote in pentax.list: My guess is that this is a warning that if you change either the aperture or shutter speed, the green button needs to be pressed again. Or if the light changes or you point the camera to another direction... Cheers, Heiko
RE: FS Friday: 50mm f/1.4
-Original Message- From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Got an M series 50/1.4 that I'd like to sell. It's in EX+ condition. Veeery nice ;) includes rear cap but not front. $50.00 plus shipping. Works on the *ist-D now ;-) Mark, What modification had to be made to make the M series lens work on the ist-D? I tried to use the very same lens on an ist-D at the local shoppe, but could only use it at full aperture. Aric
Re: A couple of istD questions
On 9 Jan 2004 at 17:09, mapson wrote: Did anyone find a significant difference in quality between TIFF, RAW and the 'best' JPG while using *istD? TIFF and 'best' JPG are very similar in quality, the TIFF has the edge in quality (but only if you intend to make extensive modifications to the image). The penalty is a file size of around 7 times larger than the equivalent JPEG. The RAW convertor definitely generates TIFF and JPG files of an inferior quality to the camera when you compare edge detail, this needs to be fixed. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
RE: firmware update
Hey Cotts, Come back and join the gang. Ziggy -Original Message- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 January 2004 15:13 To: pentax list Subject: Re: firmware update On 9/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: I walked right into that one, didn't I :-) Let's put it this way - would you like a band-aid? Actually, I am secretly very envious now and I have to say that if I had some spare money, I would actually be swayed into picking up an *ist D as a another body! Having 2 camera systems isn't uncommon, but in the same format if you can call it that)? Seriously. Cheers, Cotty
RE: For sale Friday - oops.
Oops, Meant to reply about Joe Wilensky's post. He's the one selling the PZ-1p kit. Same thing. Joe, don't do it! Jeff Jonsson -Original Message- From: Jeff Jonsson Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 8:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: For sale Friday I wouldn't sell my PZ-1p for an *ist D. No way, no how. As far as I am concerned, the PZ is still the best camera Pentax has ever produced. (Not having ever played with an MZ-S.) I absolutely love my PZ-1p. I am still in the infatuation stage with my *ist D. Jeff Jonsson -Original Message- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 8:07 AM To: pentax list Subject: Re: For sale Friday On 9/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Folks I have few bits available on ebay and so should promote them here, I believe. ME2 Winder Mint- 100mm F4 Dental macro 'A' series Some new 6x7 body caps An LX box! Some other bits A couple of interesting flashes: Cokin Creative Flash Sunpak 120J Bare Bulb kit http://www.stores.ebay.co.uk/cameradirectbrightonest1998/plistings/list / all/de pt4/index.html?dir=1col=4sotimedisplay=2 Kind regards from sunny Brighton Looks like the latest firmware has pushed Peter into a decision - looking for an *ist D mate? ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Soon to be new istD owners
Count me in. One Giant step forward.. Vic So, how many of the list are now considering the istD now that it will work better with the K and M lenses? I'm now giving it some thought. shel
Re: version 1.1
Funny, but someone (or several folks) actually suggested the use of the DOF feature for the use of M/K lenses. I wonder if someone at Pentax picked up on this, or if they had already thought to do this and had simply rushed the camera to market before they could implement this feature. You know, with these fixes and at $1350 (BH) this is a pretty nice camera. vbg I'm now deeply curious at the proposed low end Baby D. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/09/04 03:58AM Friends, we have improved K-mount compatability. Now, with the lens off A, putting the camera into manual and pressing the green button will give the correct shutter speed. EV comp im manual is a nice touch. The ist D camera just got a whole lot better. Pretty much exactly what I predicted would be the best we could hope for, back when the camera was first released. I'm favourably impressed; while it was apparent that these capabilities were technically feasible, I still thought that the hyper manual stop-down metering was too much to expect.
Re: Unusual subjects to photograph.
On Fri, 2004-01-09 at 13:06, Bob W wrote: (For the benefit of our US readers, Steptoe Son is the original of Sanford Son). Stiefbeen en zoon in the Netherlands -- Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Soon to be new istD owners
Well, I'm not using this drum set anymore (after two hand surgeries it has gotten too expensive and painful). As soon as I can sell it I will buy the *thingy D. David Madsen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.davidmadsen.com -Original Message- From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 11:09 PM To: PDML Subject: Soon to be new istD owners So, how many of the list are now considering the istD now that it will work better with the K and M lenses? I'm now giving it some thought. shel
Re: Now that the ist-D firmware has been upgraded...
On 9 Jan 2004 at 9:31, Christian wrote: how about releasing some better RAW conversion and photo-browsing software? I'd like to see a re-sizable, zoomable Photo Laboratory window more than anything at this point. Definitely however I would also like a few more of the firmware enchantments that we've previously discussed to be implemented too. One other firmware item that hasn't been mentioned to date is expansion of the range for auto- bracketing. I'd like to be able to dial up +/- 3 stops or more as this would assist greatly when shooting with a view to producing HDR images. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
RE: For sale Friday - oops.
I'm actually selling the PZ-1p kit to enable my purchase of an MZ-S, not an *ist D. After trying out an MZ-S, I'm quite impressed. But both cameras have quite a few points in their favor, and it's very difficult to pick either one as clearly superior. The ideal high-end modern Pentax film camera would likely be a hybrid of both of them. Joe Oops, Meant to reply about Joe Wilensky's post. He's the one selling the PZ-1p kit. Same thing. Joe, don't do it! Jeff Jonsson -Original Message- From: Jeff Jonsson Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 8:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: For sale Friday I wouldn't sell my PZ-1p for an *ist D. No way, no how. As far as I am concerned, the PZ is still the best camera Pentax has ever produced. (Not having ever played with an MZ-S.) I absolutely love my PZ-1p. I am still in the infatuation stage with my *ist D. Jeff Jonsson
Re: version 1.1
Steve Desjardins wrote: You know, with these fixes and at $1350 (BH) this is a pretty nice camera. vbg I'm now deeply curious at the proposed low end Baby D. Hmm, Jessops (UK) have it listed at £1199.00, which with the exchange rate currently at ~$1.80 to the pound isn't very funny... unlike the rather unfortunate Jessops Code for the camera: http://www.jessops.com/search/viewproduct.cfm?PRODUCT=PENISTD S
Re: Now that the ist-D firmware has been upgraded...
What's HDR images? Rob Studdert wrote: I'd like to be able to dial up +/- 3 stops or more as this would assist greatly when shooting with a view to producing HDR images.
Re: Soon to be new istD owners
The FF sensor issue is a question of cost plain and simple. I doubt Pentax will come out with a 2000+ USD camera, and will use whatever sensor falls in this range for their high end DSLR. The higher end market will be C and N. I'm also pretty sure that Pentax's efforts will be focused for a while on coming out with a lower end DSLR. I think this is the right way to go for business reasons but also for all of those on this list that can't try digital until the low end model emerges. I think there is some consensus that Pentax canned the MZ-D because it was too expensive and because the sensor quality was bad. Don't forget Contax went ahead with their camera based on that sensor and (from all reports) it was a dismal failure. Like Contax, Pentax made a bad decision to use that sensor at all but probably made a good business decision not to release that camera. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/09/04 08:34AM 8MP and full frame sensor (Want). Then it would be like the DSLR Pentax teased us with. Enough of this APS in 35mm, 35mm in 645 crap. Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California Cotty wrote: Which begs the question: what improvements are wanted / needed on the *ist D rev2 ? Cheers, Cotty
RE: firmware update
On 9/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Hey Cotts, Come back and join the gang. Ziggy My dear Ziggo, I never left. I still have a pair of MXs and a 3 Pentax lenses, one of which I use often ;-) If you mean that I could sell up the Canon stuff and get an *ist D, I can't. The financial loss would be too great to stomach - as purchasers of the *ist D will find out. Besides, it was a very considered decision and I have no regrets. Envy, but no regrets. I'm happy where I'm at. I'll pick up a used *ist D in 2 years for a song ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Soon to be new istD owners
LOL. I wonder if the camera companies think about the tax return bunny when planning US releases. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/09/04 09:17AM Right here. Wasn't even on the radar screen before, now I'm rethinking how much I want to spend on a bike when the tax return bunny visits me. William in Utah. - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 11:08 PM Subject: Soon to be new istD owners So, how many of the list are now considering the istD now that it will work better with the K and M lenses? I'm now giving it some thought. shel
Re: FS Friday: 50mm f/1.4
- Original Message - From: Rothman, Aric Subject: RE: FS Friday: 50mm f/1.4 Mark, What modification had to be made to make the M series lens work on the ist-D? I tried to use the very same lens on an ist-D at the local shoppe, but could only use it at full aperture. Camera software update. It was released yesterday. William Robb
Re: Singapore? (Very long: A reasonably detailed walkthrough..)
Hi Juey, I understand it was probably meant as friendly concern, but given the way it was slipped in, I thought you made it sound like it was a problem specific to Singapore when it's not, really. Countries I've been to include Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, Brunei, Hong Kong, Australia (Perth, Sydney, Melbourne, Canberra, Brisbane, Adelaide), Switzerland (Geneva), France (from the Swiss border), UK and I'm sure I missed a place or two. Judging from my own travel experiences and observations, I'm fairly confident you could name me any 10 cities in the world, and out of that list I'll give you at least 8 countries where pickpocketing statistics are probably higher. Might take a bit of research to confirm it all though. :-) Regards, Ryan - Original Message - From: Juey Chong Ong [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Singapore? (Very long: A reasonably detailed walkthrough..) Have fun and shoot lots of photos. Watch out for pickpockets and wallet snatchers, though. I don't think the people warning me implied that pick-pocketing was common in Singapore. I think they just wanted me to be aware that it can happen. And perhaps it doesn't happen often because everyone is aware that it can happen. --jc
RE: firmware update
Cotts, I know that you never left. Just a wind up. I'm glad that you still have the MXs, great camera. I nearly went your way but now same as you, digital, will never go back. Left with an LX, MZ£ and MZS. We have a monthly competition at work, winner picks subject, all vote, all nice and friendly just like PUG. Had to take pictures of Coke cans, left it until one day before submission, yesterday. Got some coke from the super market, on my desk, out with the D on tripod, seventy raw shots later, about forty minutes, loaded on my pc and processed. Could never have done that with film, one very happy bunny. Regards, Ziggy -Original Message- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 January 2004 15:36 To: pentax list Subject: RE: firmware update On 9/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Hey Cotts, Come back and join the gang. Ziggy My dear Ziggo, I never left. I still have a pair of MXs and a 3 Pentax lenses, one of which I use often ;-) If you mean that I could sell up the Canon stuff and get an *ist D, I can't. The financial loss would be too great to stomach - as purchasers of the *ist D will find out. Besides, it was a very considered decision and I have no regrets. Envy, but no regrets. I'm happy where I'm at. I'll pick up a used *ist D in 2 years for a song ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
RE: version 1.1
I'm curious about the high end baby... Ziggy -Original Message- From: Steve Desjardins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 January 2004 15:20 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: version 1.1 Funny, but someone (or several folks) actually suggested the use of the DOF feature for the use of M/K lenses. I wonder if someone at Pentax picked up on this, or if they had already thought to do this and had simply rushed the camera to market before they could implement this feature. You know, with these fixes and at $1350 (BH) this is a pretty nice camera. vbg I'm now deeply curious at the proposed low end Baby D. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/09/04 03:58AM Friends, we have improved K-mount compatability. Now, with the lens off A, putting the camera into manual and pressing the green button will give the correct shutter speed. EV comp im manual is a nice touch. The ist D camera just got a whole lot better. Pretty much exactly what I predicted would be the best we could hope for, back when the camera was first released. I'm favourably impressed; while it was apparent that these capabilities were technically feasible, I still thought that the hyper manual stop-down metering was too much to expect.
Re: Lens for *istD
On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, mapson wrote: What zoom lens (wide-ish angle) would you recommend for istD? I have 'regular' Pentax17-28mm, Pentax 28-70 f4 and Tokina 28-70 f2.6/2.8 but, as you all well know, they suddenly got 'narrower' with the purchase od the digital camera. Hence I need something that will take me back to the 28mm angle of view (in 35mm format) or wider. I'd wait a month or two for the DA 16-45/4. alex
RE: firmware update
I'll pick up a used *ist D in 2 years for a song ;-) The real competition at the low end for new impecunious digital users? Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lens for *istD
Yes, no doubt. But there still is room for further development. There already are 5MP sensors 7.2x5.3mm large. An APS sized sensor with this pixel density would have 46 MP. So a good quality 10+ MP APS sensor is nothing unthinkable, right? Sven Zitat von Dag T [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There is. Such things as noise/sensitivity considerations and diffraction limits. DagT På 9. jan. 2004 kl. 15.00 skrev keller.schaefer: A full frame DSLR would just not fit into this picture - and there is no reason to believe that APS sized sensors cannot be developed further to achieve higher resolutions.
Re: Firmware 1.1 good but not perfect :-( [wishlist for 1.2]
The things I would like to have fixed : When lens ring not at A, to have the aperture value displayed, instead of -- Can you not remember what f-stop you set manually? Bill
Re: version 1.1
On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, Steve Jolly wrote: Hmm, Jessops (UK) have it listed at £1199.00, which with the exchange rate currently at ~$1.80 to the pound isn't very funny... We (UK) will never match US prices. However, our mate from sunny Brighton gives you the grip as well for the same price (bundle listed under Other Brands-Pentax Manual Focus - Miscellaneous Accessories, for some reason :-) http://www.camera-direct.com/other.asp Also, Park cameras offer it (w/o grip) at 1099.99. http://www.parkcameras.com/ I also cannot see what you could lose if you haggled even with your local Jessops. unlike the rather unfortunate Jessops Code for the camera: http://www.jessops.com/search/viewproduct.cfm?PRODUCT=PENISTD That's a screamer... Never heard of a Turbo Diesel one. High torque, low revs? I will get my coat. Kostas
RE: FS Friday: 50mm f/1.4
William, Thanks for the info. I wended my way back through recent messages and found the details. The ist-D keeps looking better and better. I really enjoyed working with it at the store. The problem is, Pentax lenses seem hard to come by, at least here in the US. Does Pentax have a greater presence elsewhere? I am planning a trip to Europe this year, and would love to go on a Pentax glass shopping spree. Local camera store/shows don't often have Pentax-made lenses, just the third party stuff. Aric -Original Message- From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 10:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FS Friday: 50mm f/1.4 - Original Message - From: Rothman, Aric Subject: RE: FS Friday: 50mm f/1.4 Mark, What modification had to be made to make the M series lens work on the ist-D? I tried to use the very same lens on an ist-D at the local shoppe, but could only use it at full aperture. Camera software update. It was released yesterday. William Robb
Re: Now that the ist-D firmware has been upgraded...
On 9 Jan 2004 at 7:36, Shel Belinkoff wrote: What's HDR images? High Dynamic Range Images http://positron.cs.berkeley.edu/~gwlarson/pixformat/ http://www.google.com.au/search?q=HDR+image See past thread: Re: ist-D multi-exposure (was:Re: My first *ist D gallery) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
RE: firmware update
On 9 Jan 2004 at 15:36, Cotty wrote: I'll pick up a used *ist D in 2 years for a song ;-) You really think so? My *ist D is destined to be my second body. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: For sale Friday
A couple of interesting flashes: Cokin Creative Flash Sunpak 120J Bare Bulb kit Have any of you ever used a bare bulb strobe? I know Greywolf has a Norman, but that doesn't count. I once had a Vivitar 5600 with bare bulb head, was obsessed with the idea of fill-in for ultrawides, but never got down dirty with it. Besides, iirc, the Vivitar's output was puny. Coitty, no I am not looking for any kind of digital at the moment. Cheers Peter
Re: FS Friday: 50mm f/1.4
I use the A version on my *ist D and I really like this. What's funny is that the image in the viewfinder appears almost exactly life size, i.e., one eye in the viewfinder and one open to the world get the same image. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: FS Friday: 50mm f/1.4
Aha, that's what BH is for! Jeff Jonsson -Original Message- From: Rothman, Aric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 8:59 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: FS Friday: 50mm f/1.4 William, Thanks for the info. I wended my way back through recent messages and found the details. The ist-D keeps looking better and better. I really enjoyed working with it at the store. The problem is, Pentax lenses seem hard to come by, at least here in the US. Does Pentax have a greater presence elsewhere? I am planning a trip to Europe this year, and would love to go on a Pentax glass shopping spree. Local camera store/shows don't often have Pentax-made lenses, just the third party stuff. Aric -Original Message- From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 10:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FS Friday: 50mm f/1.4 - Original Message - From: Rothman, Aric Subject: RE: FS Friday: 50mm f/1.4 Mark, What modification had to be made to make the M series lens work on the ist-D? I tried to use the very same lens on an ist-D at the local shoppe, but could only use it at full aperture. Camera software update. It was released yesterday. William Robb
Re: Lens for *istD
On 9 Jan 2004 at 16:56, keller.schaefer wrote: Yes, no doubt. But there still is room for further development. There already are 5MP sensors 7.2x5.3mm large. They are poor performers relative to sensors the density of the *ist D, they also start becoming unsharp from f11 due to diffraction effects. An APS sized sensor with this pixel density would have 46 MP. So a good quality 10+ MP APS sensor is nothing unthinkable, right? Even at 10MP on an APS sensor you are starting to ask a lot from your lenses and body including ultra-precise focus in order for it to make a difference. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Firmware 1.1 good but not perfect :-( [wishlist for 1.2]
Just like a Spottie . . . g [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/09/04 10:49AM The things I would like to have fixed : When lens ring not at A, to have the aperture value displayed, instead of -- Can you not remember what f-stop you set manually? Bill
Re: Firmware 1.1 good but not perfect :-( [wishlist for 1.2]
On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Rob Studdert wrote: You could always edit the EXIF data manually after the fact :-) Do you have any recommendations on how to do that? I'd like to be able to both edit the text and number values, as well as insert the 120x160 pixel thumbnail into image files that compeletly lack EXIF data. Preferably a solution that is scriptable under UNIX but free software for Windows or Macintosh will probably work as well. anders - http://anders.hultman.nu/
Re: Photo-plagiarism
On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 21:58, Naomi van der Lippe wrote: Hi all Hope all the New Year's resolutions are holding up! I have seen a photo in a pamphlet on photography which I would like to re-create and, if successful, to display on PUG sometime. Would this not be seen as photo-plagiarism? I have seen zillions of beautiful photo's which I would love to try however I am always concern about the consequences. How do you guys feel about this? Regards Naomi ** Everything in this e-mail and attachments relating to the official business of MultiChoice Africa is proprietary to the company. Any view or opinion expressed in this message may be the view of the individual and should not automatically be ascribed to the company. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not peruse, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by email, facsimile or telephone and destroy the original message. ** Technically this is not plagarism (in the legal sense) as long as you don't try to pass off your work as being made by the original author. You are not strictly copying another's work, merely reproducing it. I also believe it is ok for a painter to make a copy of someone else's painting (i.e. the Mona Lisa) as long as said painter doesn't claim the painting is the original Mona Lisa by Leonardo Davinci. It is impossible to reproduce a photo exactly, so go ahead and make your best go at it. -Scott
Re: Lens for *istD
On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, keller.schaefer wrote: Yes, no doubt. But there still is room for further development. There already are 5MP sensors 7.2x5.3mm large. An APS sized sensor with this pixel density would have 46 MP. So a good quality 10+ MP APS sensor is nothing unthinkable, right? The noise at ISO 100 on those 7.2x5.3mm sensors is higher than the noise on the *ist D at ISO 800. I'd rather have 6 clean megapixels than 46 noisy ones. Compare the Olympus E1 to the *ist D. The pixel size of the E1 is smaller, but nowhere near as small as the PS cameras. The E1 is a much noisier camera than the *ist D. alex
Re: Now that the ist-D firmware has been upgraded...
It's always good to complain. Praise is nice, but Pentax can only learn from complaints. From a business (and pedagogical, for that matter) POV, complaints are more valuable than praise. OTOH, I do think that most of us would recommend the *ist D, which is the practical version of praise. Like someone here has already said, the very existence of the firmware upgrade is a very reassuring event. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: version 1.1
Very, Very Funny. Now I understand the stupid name. . . Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/09/04 10:30AM Steve Desjardins wrote: You know, with these fixes and at $1350 (BH) this is a pretty nice camera. vbg I'm now deeply curious at the proposed low end Baby D. Hmm, Jessops (UK) have it listed at £1199.00, which with the exchange rate currently at ~$1.80 to the pound isn't very funny... unlike the rather unfortunate Jessops Code for the camera: http://www.jessops.com/search/viewproduct.cfm?PRODUCT=PENISTD S
RE: version 1.1
You know, with these fixes and at $1350 (BH) this is a pretty nice camera. vbg I'm now deeply curious at the proposed low end Baby D. Steven Desjardins $1350? Andre
RE: Firmware 1.10 and M lens
A problem that does not occur is one you don't have to worry about. Take two pictures and call me in the morning. Len --- * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 From: Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Firmware 1.10 and M lens Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 09:10:08 -0500 I just did the upgrade. This whole process is now eerily similar to my Spottie. It does work fine, however, and it meters correctly as my 4 shot test run indicates. Very acceptable result from my POV. My only confusion is that the associated paperwork on how to use HyM still warns about a possible exposure error. p. 129 in the book essentially repeats this warning. I guess I just don't see the problem. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx
Question or better yet, idea
Hi! Pentax has proved by giving an example that a camera with crippled mount is not really so crippled. I wonder, whether they can produce an firmware upgrade for *ist, MZ-30 and similar cameras... Especially, with compatibility with M and K lenses, *ist may become quite attractive camera, right? What do you say? Boris
Re: digital imaging question
On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, J. C. O'Connell wrote: is it better to: 1. center the recorded histogram 2. bias the histogram towards the lighter tones taking care not no clip any highlights 3. bias the histogram towards the darker tones taking care not to clip any of the darker/black tones I have a feeling the correct way is #2 or possibly #1 but I am not sure. Anyone know? According to links that were posted here last week #2 is the best since the sensor is linear, while the f stop light measure is logaritmic. If you do not use the right-hand fifth of the histogram for recording some of your image you are in fact wasting fully half of the available encoding levels of your camera. http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/expose-right.shtml anders - http://anders.hultman.nu/
RE: Question or better yet, idea
I say that since the *ist is not a digital camera per se, there would be no way to upgrade the firmware, without sending it back to Pentax to have whatever ROM chip that holds the operating information, upgraded or replaced. Jeff. -Original Message- From: Boris Liberman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 10:26 AM To: PDML Subject: Question or better yet, idea Hi! Pentax has proved by giving an example that a camera with crippled mount is not really so crippled. I wonder, whether they can produce an firmware upgrade for *ist, MZ-30 and similar cameras... Especially, with compatibility with M and K lenses, *ist may become quite attractive camera, right? What do you say? Boris
There is some pentax news in http://www.dpreview.com/ (Now: Never Mind)
Silly question I asked. (Can you get the update by removing the CF card?) Of course it works. I just did it. Thanks to anyone who answered. Joe
Re: Question or better yet, idea
On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, Boris Liberman wrote: mount is not really so crippled. I wonder, whether they can produce an firmware upgrade for *ist, MZ-30 and similar cameras... Do these have electronic DOF preview? Do they have a way to upgrade the firmware? I was talking to a friend about the chances of the baby-D having the same functionality. Being paranoid (and excluding the possibility that people could perhaps patch the firmware themselves based on the *ist-D fix), I thought that they will be selling the cheap DSLRs at or near a loss, hoping to make money from accessories, and what better than lenses. Same would be true for the cripple-mounts (anybody still thinks that there was an unsurpassable technical problem to K/M compatibility and thus there is a need to rename this mount? :-) Kostas p.s.: I admire Pentax's customer application. To put out the fix before milking the cows with the forthcoming DA16-45 is commendable (if not commercially wrong).
