Re: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread Bob W
Hi,

Friday, June 11, 2004, 3:47:42 AM, Shawn wrote:

> Yeah Bob, you're just so witty and smart, because being witty equals being
> smart, never mind all those things like SAT scores, and IQ scores, and what
> have you  I'm honestly not friendly, nor do I really like people, they
> largely annoy me, I'm super competitive, I always want to win, and it miffs
> me when its impossible to win.  Like now, now it's impossible to win, it's
> impossible to save face, but I must run this broken train through wall after
> wall until every single one of you simply give up out of sheer fatigue.  Its
> just the way I am.  Sorry, but my will to achieve the upper hand is simply
> enormous in these types of situations.  I probably should have pursued a
> degree in dictatorships, or gone to Grad school as a Fascist overlord in
> training.  But you know, my school just didn't offer such forward thinking
> fields of study.  Go figure.

I'll bet you've got really big bollocks too!

http://www.discoverchimpanzees.org/behaviors/top.php?dir=Aggression&topic=Charging_Display

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob



RE: reagan cortege - E-Dope Slap

2004-06-10 Thread Anders Hultman
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, Shawn K. wrote:

> "PLONK" (whatever the hell that means)

http://www.clueless.com/jargon3.0.0/plonk.html

anders
-
http://anders.hultman.nu/
med dagens bild och allt!



Wath'd I say

2004-06-10 Thread Michel Carrère-Gée
Ray Charles Ronbinson is dead !
8=((


Re: YAWN

2004-06-10 Thread William Robb
I did it for a good cause.
You did it to be an asshole.
Fuck off

- Original Message - 
From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 11:04 PM
Subject: YAWN


> ..
>
> Your email is not hijacked, its just a very simple spoof using
outlook.  You
> did it to me, I returned the favor.  All's well that ends well, I
won't use
> your damn email anymore.
>
> -Shawn
>
>




YAWN

2004-06-10 Thread William Robb
..

Your email is not hijacked, its just a very simple spoof using outlook.  You
did it to me, I returned the favor.  All's well that ends well, I won't use
your damn email anymore.

-Shawn



RE: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread William Robb
Whenever I was losing a fight, say to 3 or more guys, I always ended up
hightailing it before I got seriously hurt actually.  Yes, I have run from
fights I probably couldn't win...  I once was walking down the street on
Saint Patty's, fairly intoxicated, but not falling down drunk, and the
unique thing is about this situation, in this town, Savannah, Saint Patty is
chaos.  Anyhow, 2 guys sitting on top of their SUV call me a name or
something and I tell him to get stuffed.  So they both jump down and say
they want to fight.  And me being me, I figure, what the hell, you know,
lets do it.  So I walk up to the first guy and he kind of runs away then the
other comes at me and he belts me right across the face, and some people
watching, gasp and say holy shit etc.  But being a dumbshit, he stands there
and watches to see what his punch did, I turn to him and say, "You hit like
a woman," really loud too, so everybody can hear it.  Then I walk towards
him and he pretends to have a knife, so in the interest of not getting
stabbed I hightail it out of there.  The moral is, I'm dumb enough to fight,
but not to get maimed.


-Shawn

-Original Message-
From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 1:28 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: reagan cortege



- Original Message -
From: "Treena"
Subject: Re: reagan cortege


Though I think P. Stenquist actually wrote

>As written, it means you
> > have an asshole on your face.

Thats what comes from losing too many fights and being too stupid to
not get your nose knocked into your nasal cavity.
I am sure that as written, it's a pretty accurate description.
WW




RE: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread William Robb
You're the one who hijacked my email to unsubscribe me you twit.

-Original Message-
From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 1:34 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: reagan cortege


Wow, smart boy managed to hijack my email address somehow.
Does this mean I have to killfile myself as well?
Going to this much effort over an email list is certainly a sign of
someone who is kinda unstable.

Regards
the real

William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 10:25 PM
Subject: RE: reagan cortege


> "Be careful what you wish for."  Or in this case, "intend to
provoke".  When
> I see right wingers promoting their figure heads, fire shoots from
my
> eyes...  (It has a particularly bad effect with drapes, or in you
all's
> case, drips.)  Sorry, but I figure this dead horse won't mind
another couple
> of wallops.
>
> -Shawn





Re: snaps from GFM and a couple of comments (obligatory Pentax content)

2004-06-10 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Mark Roberts wrote:
> 
> Ann Sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >Did Roberts post the group shot?
> 
> Three of them:
> http://www.robertstech.com/temp/gfm2004.htm#group
> 
> --
> Mark Roberts
> Photography and writing
> www.robertstech.com

Duh. :)

I'm buried under Scrabble tiles and
tribulations... just came up for 
mountain air -- loved the snaps others took -- 

hard to pick faves 

very sleepy - big night tomorrow - oops it is
today now.

annsan



Re: *istD Raw Converter

2004-06-10 Thread Bruce Dayton
Hello Mark,

I just started playing with it a bit yesterday.  I ended up
downloading the middle version, but would probably buy the LE version.
I haven't done any extensive tests yet, but the first look is
promising.  It seems to be less harsh in it's sharpening and seems to
preserve subtle tones better.  I was just comparing 16 bit tiffs,
though.

As I gain more impressions, I'll try to post them.

Bruce


Thursday, June 10, 2004, 10:20:05 PM, you wrote:

MD> Hey Folks,

MD> I haven't really been playing close attention to the discussion on
MD> converting RAW files from the *istD. The little bit I have read has given me
MD> the impression that people aren't totally pleased with the Pentax converter
MD> and have been happier with the Photoshop CS converter. Has anyone tried the
MD> C1 RAW Workflow Software featured on the http://www.rawworkflow.com/
MD> website? The website indicates that it supports RAW files from the *istD.
MD> The LE version is $99. Just lookin' for a little feedback about this piece
MD> of software.

MD> Mark




Re: *istD Raw Converter

2004-06-10 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Dalal"
Subject: *istD Raw Converter


> Hey Folks,
>
> I haven't really been playing close attention to the discussion on
> converting RAW files from the *istD. The little bit I have read has
given me
> the impression that people aren't totally pleased with the Pentax
converter
> and have been happier with the Photoshop CS converter. Has anyone
tried the
> C1 RAW Workflow Software featured on the
http://www.rawworkflow.com/
> website? The website indicates that it supports RAW files from the
*istD.
> The LE version is $99. Just lookin' for a little feedback about
this piece
> of software.

The Pentax converter is just fine, although a bit of a nasty
interface, providing you want to make prints, rather than look at
pixels at 72 DPI.
I can't comment on the one you are looking at though.

William Robb




Re: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread William Robb
Wow, smart boy managed to hijack my email address somehow.
Does this mean I have to killfile myself as well?
Going to this much effort over an email list is certainly a sign of
someone who is kinda unstable.

Regards
the real

William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 10:25 PM
Subject: RE: reagan cortege


> "Be careful what you wish for."  Or in this case, "intend to
provoke".  When
> I see right wingers promoting their figure heads, fire shoots from
my
> eyes...  (It has a particularly bad effect with drapes, or in you
all's
> case, drips.)  Sorry, but I figure this dead horse won't mind
another couple
> of wallops.
>
> -Shawn





Re: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: "Treena"
Subject: Re: reagan cortege


Though I think P. Stenquist actually wrote

>As written, it means you
> > have an asshole on your face.

Thats what comes from losing too many fights and being too stupid to
not get your nose knocked into your nasal cavity.
I am sure that as written, it's a pretty accurate description.
WW




RE: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread William Robb
"Be careful what you wish for."  Or in this case, "intend to provoke".  When
I see right wingers promoting their figure heads, fire shoots from my
eyes...  (It has a particularly bad effect with drapes, or in you all's
case, drips.)  Sorry, but I figure this dead horse won't mind another couple
of wallops.

-Shawn

-Original Message-
From: Bob Blakely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 12:54 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: reagan cortege


Folks, I intended to provoke a response. I expected some anger. I did not
expect such a vitriolic response. It's my fault, and I apologize. I'm sorry.

Regards,
Bob...
---
"No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in
session."
  -- Mark Twain


From: "Bob Blakely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> Get your political shit of the list, asshole.
>
> From: "Shawn K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> [political shit]



*istD Raw Converter

2004-06-10 Thread Mark Dalal
Hey Folks,

I haven't really been playing close attention to the discussion on
converting RAW files from the *istD. The little bit I have read has given me
the impression that people aren't totally pleased with the Pentax converter
and have been happier with the Photoshop CS converter. Has anyone tried the
C1 RAW Workflow Software featured on the http://www.rawworkflow.com/
website? The website indicates that it supports RAW files from the *istD.
The LE version is $99. Just lookin' for a little feedback about this piece
of software.

Mark



Re: OT -- Handedness (was RE: Left eye dominant (was Papa-D))

2004-06-10 Thread Treena
I'm guessing probably not  ;)

> 
> [flutters eyelashes]
> 
> Well, when I have three cameras with me, they each get to the
> end of the roll at about the same time, if that's what you're 
> asking.  ;-)  But for anything other than cameras I probably
> turn in a more satisfying^H^H^H^Hactory performance with two
> than with three...
> 
> (That innocent look ain't gonna work again, is it?)
> 
> -- Glenn
> 
> 



Re: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

t> So Braswell emails me last night and asks what the deal with the Reagan
t> funeral is. Like I'd know.

t> Anyway, he shows up here at 3 today and we head down to get what we can get
t> -

t> http://www.bigdayphoto.com/reagan/index.htm

t> Yeah, I took Charles Braswell to a sushi restaurant.

Tom, most fascinating photos. I feel almost as if being here myself. I
visited Washington DC just 3 years go, so with little imagination I
can do it ...

Great photos, just great.

P.S. No comment on other 60+ messages that I received in this thread.

Boris
([EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED])



Re: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread Peter J. Alling
No, the French gave him the money, they bought his Oil on very favorable 
terms and the sold him Exocet missiles and aircraft, which he used to 
blow up an American Destroyer.  There's more than enough blame to go 
around in power politics.  Now please shut the hell up. 

Shawn K. wrote:
No we gave him the money.
-Shawn
-Original Message-
From: Robert & Leigh Woerner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 10:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: reagan cortege
Oh really, we sold Saddam the Soviet  T-72 tanks, MiGs, and SAMS??? 

- Original Message - 
From: "Antonio Aparicio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: reagan cortege

 

And one of the most unpopular to the rest of the world, particularly 
Latin America (remember Honduras and Nicaragua?) and Iraq (where he 
setup Sadam Hussein with a nice set of weapons to kill his own people), 
or perhaps Afghanistan (where his policies left Bin Laden and co. setup 
and nice little training camp after supporting him and the Taleban with 
weapons and cash to kick out the Russians).

Sure he helped put and end to the cold war, but he also played an 
important role in sewing the seeds of todays problems.

Toms pics were nice, pro-reagan patriotic pics - particularly the one 
of the horse.

Antonio
On 11 Jun 2004, at 00:18, Bob W wrote:
   

Whether you liked him or not, Reagan was the
most popular President in American history and his funeral is an
important news event.
I thought Tom's photos were excellent, particularly the riderless 
horse,
which I think is as good an example as any I've seen in the press of 
that
image.
 


 




Re: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread Gonz
Tan, this actually is a woman.  With a middle name like Taimana, it has 
to be woman right.  I mean isn't Sean the male version of this name, not 
Shawn, which like Dawn, is feminine?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
well, i'm a woman, and i can't say you are doing much for me right now...
tan.
-Original Message-
From: Shawn K. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 11 June 2004 12:28 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: reagan cortege
I never hit a woman in my life.  Most women like the fact that I'm a tough
guy, and smart, being smart and tough and handsome, women like me, I like
them.
-Shawn
-Original Message-
From: Bill D. Casselberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 11:03 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: reagan cortege
"Shawn K." wrote:

My right hand has met more jaws than you can probably count, and it
has the broken bones and scars to prove it...

Whoa!   A "Tough Guy"!
... btw, how many of those countless jaws were women's?



RE: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread Amita Guha
Ditto, Tan. In fact, this guy is joining Aparicio in my kill file...

> -Original Message-
> From: TMP [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 11:43 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: reagan cortege
> 
> 
> 
> well, i'm a woman, and i can't say you are doing much for me 
> right now...
> 
> tan.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Shawn K. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, 11 June 2004 12:28 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: reagan cortege
> 
> 
> I never hit a woman in my life.  Most women like the fact 
> that I'm a tough guy, and smart, being smart and tough and 
> handsome, women like me, I like them.
> 
> -Shawn
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Bill D. Casselberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 11:03 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: reagan cortege
> 
> 
> "Shawn K." wrote:
> 
> > My right hand has met more jaws than you can probably count, and it 
> > has the broken bones and scars to prove it...
> 
>   Whoa!   A "Tough Guy"!
> 
>   ... btw, how many of those countless jaws were women's?
> 



Re: reagan cortege - E-Dope Slap

2004-06-10 Thread Bob Blakely
Narcissism.

Regards,
Bob...
---
"No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in
session."
  -- Mark Twain


From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> On 10 Jun 2004 at 18:43, Stan Halpin wrote:
>
> > Does this remind anyone of the Who when he forgot t take his meds?
>
> More like a the now extinct Dobo, I wonder what a psychiatrist would make
of
> it? :-)



Re: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread Bob Blakely
Har!

Regards,
Bob...
---
"No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in
session."
  -- Mark Twain


From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> That should read, "you're a tough guy." Furthermore, there should be a
> comma between your "face" and your "asshole." As written, it means you
> have an asshole on your face.
>
> On Jun 10, 2004, at 5:13 PM, Shawn K. wrote:
>
> > At 6'3" 235 I doubt you would say that to my face asshole.  But you
> > just
> > keep pretending your a tough guy.
> >
> > PS Fuck the right wing, everyone with a college degree knows better,
> > nothing
> > but a bunch of inbred hillbillies from CRAWFURDS TEXASSS on the right
> > wing.
> >
> > From: Bob Blakely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > Get your political shit of the list, asshole.
> >
> > From: "Shawn K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > [political shit]



Re: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread Peter J. Alling
This isn't worth a response, I'm sorry to say.
Shawn K. wrote:
Reagan was a "dumb blonde", obviously the current government is stirring up
this mess in order to turn up some republican converts.  Otherwise I doubt
very much that 90% of the country really gives a rip.
Nice pictures though, all of them are good, a few are great, I think my
favorite is the one with the girl by the fence looking back at you, although
I prefer the composition of the one where she's looking out at the
procession.
-Shawn
-Original Message-
From: tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 2:16 AM
To: pdml
Subject: reagan cortege
So Braswell emails me last night and asks what the deal with the Reagan
funeral is. Like I'd know.
Anyway, he shows up here at 3 today and we head down to get what we can get
-
http://www.bigdayphoto.com/reagan/index.htm
Yeah, I took Charles Braswell to a sushi restaurant.
tv
 




Re: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread Treena
Of what should he be jealous? You're a rude jerk. And for the record, just
because you describe yourself in an e-mail doesn't mean that's what you
really are. I could tell you I'm 21 and I look like Britney Spears but it
wouldn't make it true. Jealous of someone who brags about himself in an
e-mail? Oh, give more of that! (sarcasm intended)

- Original Message - 
From: "Shawn K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 9:38 PM
Subject: RE: reagan cortege


> You're jealous.
>
> -Shawn
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Christian Skofteland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 11:38 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: reagan cortege
>
>
> you're delusional
>
> Christian
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Shawn K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 10:27 PM
> Subject: RE: reagan cortege
>
>
> >  Most women like the fact that I'm a tough
> > guy, and smart, being smart and tough and handsome, women like me, I
like
> > them.
>



RE: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread Shawn K.
Not all women like me, no, many despise me, because as you've seen, I am a
bastard, prone to tantrums, who is also ridiculously stubborn, and almost
impossible to get the final word against.  But there are those who are
attracted to these types, they tend to be the passionate ones, I prefer it
that way really.

-Shawn

-Original Message-
From: TMP [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 11:43 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: reagan cortege



well, i'm a woman, and i can't say you are doing much for me right now...

tan.

-Original Message-
From: Shawn K. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 11 June 2004 12:28 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: reagan cortege


I never hit a woman in my life.  Most women like the fact that I'm a tough
guy, and smart, being smart and tough and handsome, women like me, I like
them.

-Shawn

-Original Message-
From: Bill D. Casselberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 11:03 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: reagan cortege


"Shawn K." wrote:

> My right hand has met more jaws than you can probably count, and it
> has the broken bones and scars to prove it...

Whoa!   A "Tough Guy"!

... btw, how many of those countless jaws were women's?



Re: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread Eactivist
I am not even going to read this thread. I am deleting it completely unread.

I couldn't stand Reagan's politics. I really couldn't.

OTOH, I feel it's perfectly appropriate for some mourning of a former 
president. At least by those that admired him. I expect the same thing will happen 
when Clinton dies. There will be detractors then as well, while others will 
assess his record saying he was great.

But I suspect this thread is getting into political debates and I prefer to 
do my political venting elsewhere.

Marnie aka Doe



RE: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread Shawn K.
Yeah Bob, you're just so witty and smart, because being witty equals being
smart, never mind all those things like SAT scores, and IQ scores, and what
have you  I'm honestly not friendly, nor do I really like people, they
largely annoy me, I'm super competitive, I always want to win, and it miffs
me when its impossible to win.  Like now, now it's impossible to win, it's
impossible to save face, but I must run this broken train through wall after
wall until every single one of you simply give up out of sheer fatigue.  Its
just the way I am.  Sorry, but my will to achieve the upper hand is simply
enormous in these types of situations.  I probably should have pursued a
degree in dictatorships, or gone to Grad school as a Fascist overlord in
training.  But you know, my school just didn't offer such forward thinking
fields of study.  Go figure.

-Shawn

-Original Message-
From: Bob Blakely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 11:41 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: reagan cortege


I find it ... amusing to provoke folks I know nothing about. How they react
when they're angry tells me a lot about them. All are miffed, but:

Some (a very few) respond with shame. I feel sorry for them.
Some (many folks) respond with a well thought out retort. They're pretty
normal, and I like them.
Some (a very few) respond with a biting wit. I love these folks. I know
they're fun, and probably enjoyed giving it back.. with a good twist.
Some (too many) respond like you.

Well, there you have him, folks. No further comment necessary.

Regards,
Bob...
---
"No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in
session."
  -- Mark Twain


From: "Shawn K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> At 6'3" 235 I doubt you would say that to my face asshole.  But you just
> keep pretending your a tough guy.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Shawn
>
> PS Fuck the right wing, everyone with a college degree knows better,
nothing
> but a bunch of inbred hillbillies from CRAWFURDS TEXASSS on the right
wing.
>
> From: Bob Blakely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Get your political shit of the list, asshole.
>
> From: "Shawn K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> [political shit]



RE: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread Rob Studdert
On 11 Jun 2004 at 13:42, TMP wrote:

> well, i'm a woman, and i can't say you are doing much for me right now...

Err, I don't believe that you are dumb, blond or live with mummy :-)


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



RE: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread TMP

well, i'm a woman, and i can't say you are doing much for me right now...

tan.

-Original Message-
From: Shawn K. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 11 June 2004 12:28 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: reagan cortege


I never hit a woman in my life.  Most women like the fact that I'm a tough
guy, and smart, being smart and tough and handsome, women like me, I like
them.

-Shawn

-Original Message-
From: Bill D. Casselberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 11:03 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: reagan cortege


"Shawn K." wrote:

> My right hand has met more jaws than you can probably count, and it
> has the broken bones and scars to prove it...

Whoa!   A "Tough Guy"!

... btw, how many of those countless jaws were women's?



Re: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread Bob Blakely
I find it ... amusing to provoke folks I know nothing about. How they react
when they're angry tells me a lot about them. All are miffed, but:

Some (a very few) respond with shame. I feel sorry for them.
Some (many folks) respond with a well thought out retort. They're pretty
normal, and I like them.
Some (a very few) respond with a biting wit. I love these folks. I know
they're fun, and probably enjoyed giving it back.. with a good twist.
Some (too many) respond like you.

Well, there you have him, folks. No further comment necessary.

Regards,
Bob...
---
"No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in
session."
  -- Mark Twain


From: "Shawn K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> At 6'3" 235 I doubt you would say that to my face asshole.  But you just
> keep pretending your a tough guy.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Shawn
>
> PS Fuck the right wing, everyone with a college degree knows better,
nothing
> but a bunch of inbred hillbillies from CRAWFURDS TEXASSS on the right
wing.
>
> From: Bob Blakely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Get your political shit of the list, asshole.
>
> From: "Shawn K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> [political shit]



RE: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread Shawn K.
You're jealous.  

-Shawn

-Original Message-
From: Christian Skofteland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 11:38 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: reagan cortege


you're delusional

Christian 
- Original Message - 
From: "Shawn K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 10:27 PM
Subject: RE: reagan cortege


>  Most women like the fact that I'm a tough
> guy, and smart, being smart and tough and handsome, women like me, I like
> them.



RE: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread Shawn K.
No, this is hilarious, you calling me immature after all these other shits
who started the name calling, and after the message you sent me in private,
which was as full of vitriol as anything else on this list.  Heh, you send
me that immature bullshit, then you turn around and call me immature...
GONZ, ARE YOU RETARDED  I'm seriously wondering if you are a retard???
The name Gonz, it sounds like something you would give a retarded child...
And then rest of you call me names, and then turn around and get mad when I
snipe back.  Bunch of hypocritical dimwits.  Go cry to your fucking mothers,
"someone on the internet doesn't like Ronald Reagan" waaah waaah wahh, I
called him an "asshole" but he kept sniping back "waaah waaah waah", you
bunch of fucking babies...


-Shawn

-Original Message-
From: Gonz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 11:15 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: reagan cortege


Woh.  That's hilarious. I had kill filed him, but some of his/her
vitriol will come out in replies nevertheless.  Its best for everyone to
just ignore this type of behavior.  He/she (I really think its a she
putting on a show) is very juvenile and will only eat up bandwidth if
responded to.  They will slowly die away, as did several others before
her.  Otherwise they are like pigeons, feed them and you just get more
of them!


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> What a drama queen.
>
> tv
>
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Shawn K. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 8:29 PM
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: RE: reagan cortege
>>
>>You'd break your leg kicking my hard ass tough guy.  I've
>>fought tougher than you before, and would welcome a good
>>scuffle, I always did feel good after a fight, mainly because
>>I won, and because it's in my blood to fight.
>>It's notable that you say all that you said like you're just
>>the toughest mofo on earth, then you go and ignore me.
>>Pretty weak William Robb.  My right hand has met more jaws
>>than you can probably count, and it has the broken bones and
>>scars to prove it...  And before you go commenting on what a
>>barbarian I am, remember that I have a computer degree, a
>>bachelors for that matter, so even us barbarians can learn to
>>use fancy shmancy computers.
>>
>>
>>-Shawn
>>
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 9:21 PM
>>To: Pentax Discuss
>>Subject: Re: reagan cortege
>>
>>
>>This kind of crap has no place on this apolotical mailing list.
>>At 6'3", 225 pounds, I would say just about anything I wanted
>>to your face, and then kick your sorry ass into your tonsils
>>if you decided to move away from being conversational.
>>Anyway, you just joined that pussface aspercio or whatever
>>the hell his name is and some idiot aussie on my kill list.
>>
>>The problem with the behaviour you have shown is that you cut
>>off access to the very people who can answer the questions
>>that brought you here.
>>
>>Bye bye asshole.
>>
>>William Robb
>>
>>
>>- Original Message -
>>From: "Shawn K." <>
>>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 3:13 PM
>>Subject: RE: reagan cortege
>>
>>
>>
>>>At 6'3" 235 I doubt you would say that to my face asshole.  But you
>>
>>just
>>
>>>keep pretending your a tough guy.
>>>
>>>Sincerely,
>>>
>>>Shawn
>>>
>>>PS Fuck the right wing, everyone with a college degree knows
>>
>>better, nothing
>>
>>>but a bunch of inbred hillbillies from CRAWFURDS TEXASSS on the
>>
>>right wing.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>




Re: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread Christian Skofteland
you're delusional

Christian 
- Original Message - 
From: "Shawn K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 10:27 PM
Subject: RE: reagan cortege


>  Most women like the fact that I'm a tough
> guy, and smart, being smart and tough and handsome, women like me, I like
> them.



RE: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread Shawn K.
I never hit a woman in my life.  Most women like the fact that I'm a tough
guy, and smart, being smart and tough and handsome, women like me, I like
them.

-Shawn

-Original Message-
From: Bill D. Casselberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 11:03 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: reagan cortege


"Shawn K." wrote:

> My right hand has met more jaws than you can probably count, and it
> has the broken bones and scars to prove it...

Whoa!   A "Tough Guy"!

... btw, how many of those countless jaws were women's?



Re: Trade ?

2004-06-10 Thread graywolf
Only interested if it is a TC or earlier.
Collin R Brendemuehl wrote:
I have a perfectly functional (though well-worn) MG to trade for something.
But I don't know what.  Make me an offer.
Might be a good carry-around with that reliable M shutter and simple 
operation.
(There is no Off position!)

Collin

--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html



Re: Reagan's State Funeral

2004-06-10 Thread graywolf
He did? Wow, my time sense must be way off...
Bill Owens wrote:
Thank you Bill.  Say what they will, Mr. Reagan did unite this country.
Bill
- Original Message - 
From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 9:23 PM
Subject: Reagan's State Funeral


My condolences to the American people on the death of Ronald Reagan.
William Robb


--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html



Re: inflammatory subjects

2004-06-10 Thread cbwaters
Like HELL they are!
http://community.webshots.com/photo/93489626/151460450hPhMZP

CW

- Original Message - 
From: "tom" > Black labs are better than yellow!
>
> (Ash went out and rescued a dog while I was at GFM, Phyllis wanted a look)
>
> tv
>
>


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RE: inflammatory subjects

2004-06-10 Thread tom
> -Original Message-
> From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "tom"
> Subject: inflammatory subjects
> 
> 
> > http://www.bigdayphoto.com/tom/images/onyx.jpg
> >
> > Black labs are better than yellow!
> >
> > (Ash went out and rescued a dog while I was at GFM, Phyllis wanted
> a look)
> >
> 
> Thats a cute dog, but it ain't no Black Lab.
> Not a pure bred anyway.

Yeah, I know. I assume she's got some chow in there, she's got purple spots
on her tongue and sort of a chowish gait.

tv



Re: Trade ?

2004-06-10 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: "Collin R Brendemuehl"
Subject: Trade ?


> I have a perfectly functional (though well-worn) MG to trade for
something.
> But I don't know what.  Make me an offer.

How is the engine?, And does the roof leak?

William Robb




Re: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread William Robb
This kind of crap has no place on this apolotical mailing list.
At 6'3", 225 pounds, I would say just about anything I wanted to your
face, and then kick your sorry ass into your tonsils if you decided
to move away from being conversational.
Anyway, you just joined that pussface aspercio or whatever the hell
his name is and some idiot aussie on my kill list.

The problem with the behaviour you have shown is that you cut off
access to the very people who can answer the questions that brought
you here.

Bye bye asshole.

William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: "Shawn K." <>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 3:13 PM
Subject: RE: reagan cortege


> At 6'3" 235 I doubt you would say that to my face asshole.  But you
just
> keep pretending your a tough guy.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Shawn
>
> PS Fuck the right wing, everyone with a college degree knows
better, nothing
> but a bunch of inbred hillbillies from CRAWFURDS TEXASSS on the
right wing.





Reagan's State Funeral

2004-06-10 Thread William Robb
My condolences to the American people on the death of Ronald Reagan.

William Robb



Re: inflammatory subjects

2004-06-10 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: "tom"
Subject: inflammatory subjects


> http://www.bigdayphoto.com/tom/images/onyx.jpg
>
> Black labs are better than yellow!
>
> (Ash went out and rescued a dog while I was at GFM, Phyllis wanted
a look)
>

Thats a cute dog, but it ain't no Black Lab.
Not a pure bred anyway.
Rescuing dogs is one of those things that always makes people look
better to me.
Tom, yer pretty close to Godhood now.

William Robb




Trade ?

2004-06-10 Thread Collin R Brendemuehl
I have a perfectly functional (though well-worn) MG to trade for something.
But I don't know what.  Make me an offer.
Might be a good carry-around with that reliable M shutter and simple operation.
(There is no Off position!)
Collin



Re: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread Steve Larson
Nicely done Tom!

Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California


> -Original Message-
> From: tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 2:16 AM
> To: pdml
> Subject: reagan cortege
>
>
> So Braswell emails me last night and asks what the deal with the Reagan
> funeral is. Like I'd know.
>
> Anyway, he shows up here at 3 today and we head down to get what we can
get
> -
>
> http://www.bigdayphoto.com/reagan/index.htm
>
> Yeah, I took Charles Braswell to a sushi restaurant.
>
> tv
>



Re: Using the AF Adapter F

2004-06-10 Thread Rob Studdert
On 10 Jun 2004 at 19:30, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:

> We had discussed in the past (Rob?) that the manual recommends against
> using the adapter with some lenses (eg 15 or 18) and warns that they
> may be damaged if combined.

Hi Kostas,

We did discuss the AF TC. The reason the manual warns against use with the 15mm 
(and I assume the 18mm as I don't have one to check) is that the rear elements 
of this lens protrudes to the point that they would have a clash of glass 
should they be paired. Not a good thing to do.

> Has anybody used the AF adapter F with the F or FA50/1.7 (I have the
> latter but I think they are the same)? I am quite tempted by a semi-AF
> 85/2.9. at half the length of the Tamron 90SP. How much of a hit in
> resolution should I expect? I would like to use it for portraits.

I haven't used the AF TC in conjunction with the lenses you cite above however 
I have used it with the several other 50mm lenses and it worked OK. Of course 
most TCs are designed to work best with lenses of short tele length or longer. 
So YMMV using it with relatively short lenses. What I can say though is that if 
the lens is good enough you will loose very little resolution at mid range 
apertures and suffer very little loss of contrast. IOW it's a pretty good TC 
overall, you should find it pretty handy, I have mine.


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



RE: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread Albert F.
Shawn,

I have to say that is the most pathetic attempt at trolling that I've ever
seen. You called a fellow list member a "bigot" without any shred of
evidence or any reason. And what makes you think that he is a "right-wing
bigot?" Should I call you a "Stalinist" or a "Nazi" because of your
overblown rhetoric. The photos presented here are of documentary nature,
they are not here to spread the agenda. People have strong feelings both
anti and pro-Reagan, there is no reason to stir up a pot here. I suggest
that if you have a chip on your shoulder and in need of a good venting there
are many places to do it, this is not it however. Please do it somewhere
else, stop wasting our time and bandwidth.

Albert

>>I only disagree when its pertinent to do so, if you have to set up a "kill
>>file" in order to maintain the sanctity of your delusions, then by all
means
>>do so you right wing bigot




Re: reagan cortege - E-Dope Slap

2004-06-10 Thread Rob Studdert
On 10 Jun 2004 at 18:43, Stan Halpin wrote:

> Does this remind anyone of the Who when he forgot t take his meds?

More like a the now extinct Dobo, I wonder what a psychiatrist would make of 
it? :-)


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread Bruce Dayton
Tom,

Overall I am very impressed.  Your eye and style keeps improving (not
to mention execution).  Thanks for sharing these pics with us.
Certainly gives me ideas on how to view subjects.

Bruce


Thursday, June 10, 2004, 3:54:38 PM, you wrote:

t> Yeah, I felt I pretty much blew that one. Once the transfer took place, it
t> got pretty crowded -

t> http://www.bigdayphoto.com/reagan/040609-182708-6072.htm

t> I really couldn't move much, and then I sort of forgot that the riderless
t> horse was coming

t> tv




Re: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
That should read, "you're a tough guy." Furthermore, there should be a 
comma between your "face" and your "asshole." As written, it means you 
have an asshole on your face.

On Jun 10, 2004, at 5:13 PM, Shawn K. wrote:
At 6'3" 235 I doubt you would say that to my face asshole.  But you 
just
keep pretending your a tough guy.

Sincerely,
Shawn
PS Fuck the right wing, everyone with a college degree knows better, 
nothing
but a bunch of inbred hillbillies from CRAWFURDS TEXASSS on the right 
wing.

-Original Message-
From: Bob Blakely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 5:57 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: reagan cortege
Get your political shit of the list, asshole.
From: "Shawn K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[political shit]



Re: PAW:This tastes funny

2004-06-10 Thread Bruce Dayton
Pretty darn cute, Dave.  You caught a very good expression.  Thanks
for sharing with us.


Bruce


Thursday, June 10, 2004, 4:25:29 AM, you wrote:


bcin>   Hi gang.

bcin> Took, what i think, is a few nice PJ type of shots this
bcin> past weekend at the Aurora Horse
bcin> Show.(see 
bcin> some of us worked whist you GFM folk played.LOL)

bcin> Here is the first one.Its my daughters,coaches,daughter.I
bcin> think the expression say's it
bcin> all.(she is trying 
bcin> several different Tim Bit donuts(holes).

bcin> I'll post the others over the next day or so.Gotta get at the veggie garden once 
in a
bcin> while.:-)

bcin> Dave
bcin> http://www.caughtinmotion.com/paw/taste1.jpg  





PAW: Politics of the Young

2004-06-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
I took this picture in Birmingham, Michigan, which is a notoriously 
liberal town. Obviously, these young people are all mindless left 
wingers ,vbg>). But they're having fun.
Seriously, this is a hard crop from an *ist D photo shot at ISO 400. 
This was a carnival ride that moved very fast and unpredictably. The 
crop has left some "digital grain," but I don't find it objectionable. 
I had the camera set on continuous autofocus, and it kept up on almost 
all the frames I shot. The lens was the FA 28-105/3.2-4.5, and 
inexpensive consumer zoom that I have grown rather fond of for 
walkarounds. BTW, until I owned the *ist D I had only one zoom on the 
shelf and never used it. But I've found that for snapshot walks, they 
are quite convenient.
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2431077&size=lg
Paul



Re: Giving up on the FA 28-70/4

2004-06-10 Thread Bruce Dayton
Hello Rob,

This is something that I am very interested in - basically trying to
nail down a great lens for group portraits (weddings/families) that
really holds the details as well as the *istD can.  I currently have
an FA *24/2.0 and am not entirely happy with it.  The focal length is
about right, but just doesn't seem as sharp as I thought it would be -
I'll need to do some more tests myself, but certainly any other tests
with lenses around that focal length are more than welcome.

Thanks,

Bruce


Thursday, June 10, 2004, 4:18:14 PM, you wrote:

RS> On 10 Jun 2004 at 14:50, alexanderkrohe wrote:
 
>> Sure shooting newspapers, brick walls, roof tops and
>> filigree branches in bright back light gives 
>> important insights into the properties of the optics. 
>> But I think such tests are overrated - the actual
>> "image impression" in practical use is IMO much more
>> relevant .   

RS> I'll make a pair of images for comparison over the weekend using the FA24/2 and
RS> FA31/1.8. I'll shoot a detailed scene, same settings and tripod mounted using
RS> my *ist D, I'll make the results available to anyone who cares.


RS> Rob Studdert
RS> HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
RS> Tel +61-2-9554-4110
RS> UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
RS> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RS> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
RS> Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998




Re: reagan cortege - E-Dope Slap

2004-06-10 Thread Stan Halpin
Does this remind anyone of the Who when he forgot t take his meds?
Stan
On Jun 10, 2004, at 5:21 PM, Shawn K. wrote:
But but, I just put all YOUR messages in the trash bin!!  Little..,.
Little.., uh GUY!!!  YOU LITTLE GUY, your messages are going in the 
trash
right now, "PLONK" (whatever the hell that means)

-Shawn
-Original Message-
From: Keith Whaley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 7:18 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: reagan cortege - E-Dope Slap
Thank you.
You've just provided the impetus I needed to send you to Trash heaven.
You've turned indecision to firm action.
'Bye, little man.
Oh, and "PLONK!"
keith whaley
* * *
Shawn K. wrote:

[juvinile trash talk]



Re: Cotty home - GFM stuff

2004-06-10 Thread Doug Franklin
Not if you get far enough out in the country. :-)

On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:54:01 -0400, cbwaters wrote:

> If you feel young enough people, you can go to jail.  Even here in Georgia
> :-)
> CW
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Doug Franklin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > You're only as old as the person you feel. :-)


TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ




Re: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
Tom,
They were great shots of an event that took place in your town. I was 
pleased to see them, not for what was pictured, but for how well they 
were executed. We've seen numerous pics of anti-war demonstrations and 
have taken them for what they were: pictures of an event. Please don't 
refrain from posting good shots. If some list members can't be adult 
enough to look at them with an apolitical eye, we'll all just have to 
expand our kill files.
Paul
On Jun 10, 2004, at 6:05 PM, tom wrote:

Sorry for starting this up, I figured if I just showed some pics people
could look at them. Should have known better.
tv




Re: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
The pictures are of an event. They are apolitical. Don't start again, 
Antonio.

On Jun 10, 2004, at 6:00 PM, Antonio Aparicio wrote:
Bob, perhaps you should ask the photographer to remove the patriotic 
political pics too in your usual diplomatic manner. Just to be fair.

Antonio
On 10 Jun 2004, at 23:56, Bob Blakely wrote:
Get your political shit of the list, asshole.
From: "Shawn K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[political shit]




PAW:This tastes funny

2004-06-10 Thread brooksdj

Hi gang.

Took, what i think, is a few nice PJ type of shots this past weekend at the Aurora 
Horse
Show.(see 
some of us worked whist you GFM folk played.LOL)

Here is the first one.Its my daughters,coaches,daughter.I think the expression say's it
all.(she is trying 
several different Tim Bit donuts(holes).

I'll post the others over the next day or so.Gotta get at the veggie garden once in a
while.:-)

Dave
http://www.caughtinmotion.com/paw/taste1.jpg




RE: reagan cortege - E-Dope Slap

2004-06-10 Thread Shawn K.
But but, I just put all YOUR messages in the trash bin!!  Little..,.
Little.., uh GUY!!!  YOU LITTLE GUY, your messages are going in the trash
right now, "PLONK" (whatever the hell that means)

-Shawn

-Original Message-
From: Keith Whaley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 7:18 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: reagan cortege - E-Dope Slap


Thank you.
You've just provided the impetus I needed to send you to Trash heaven.
You've turned indecision to firm action.

'Bye, little man.

Oh, and "PLONK!"

keith whaley

* * *

Shawn K. wrote:

> Ill take the opportunity to slander the name of the biggest idiot in the
> history of American politics any time I please!  You guys are pretentious
> finicky lot, you can kiss my ass, Ill say whatever the hell I please
whether
> its political or otherwise.
>
> -Shawn
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cbwaters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 5:50 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: reagan cortege - E-Dope Slap
>
>
> Shawn,
> You deserve a seriously vicious dope-slap.
> Nobody gives a rat's ass about your opinion of President Reagan or your
> guess as to everybody else's EXCEPT the people who care enough about him
to
> start a stupid flame war over your blatantly political comment.
> Your photo comments are appreciated but please, for the love of mike,
don't
> bring up politics.
>
> Cory
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Shawn K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 12:16 PM
> Subject: RE: reagan cortege
>
>
>
>>Reagan was a "dumb blonde", obviously the current government is stirring
> up
>>this mess in order to turn up some republican converts.  Otherwise I doubt
>>very much that 90% of the country really gives a rip.
>>Nice pictures though, all of them are good, a few are great, I think my
>>favorite is the one with the girl by the fence looking back at you,
> although
>>I prefer the composition of the one where she's looking out at the
>>procession.
>>
>>
>>-Shawn




Re: Giving up on the FA 28-70/4

2004-06-10 Thread Rob Studdert
On 10 Jun 2004 at 14:50, alexanderkrohe wrote:
 
> Sure shooting newspapers, brick walls, roof tops and
> filigree branches in bright back light gives 
> important insights into the properties of the optics. 
> But I think such tests are overrated - the actual
> "image impression" in practical use is IMO much more
> relevant .   

I'll make a pair of images for comparison over the weekend using the FA24/2 and 
FA31/1.8. I'll shoot a detailed scene, same settings and tripod mounted using 
my *ist D, I'll make the results available to anyone who cares.


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: reagan cortege - E-Dope Slap

2004-06-10 Thread Keith Whaley
Thank you.
You've just provided the impetus I needed to send you to Trash heaven.
You've turned indecision to firm action.
'Bye, little man.
Oh, and "PLONK!"
keith whaley
* * *
Shawn K. wrote:
Ill take the opportunity to slander the name of the biggest idiot in the
history of American politics any time I please!  You guys are pretentious
finicky lot, you can kiss my ass, Ill say whatever the hell I please whether
its political or otherwise.
-Shawn
-Original Message-
From: cbwaters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 5:50 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: reagan cortege - E-Dope Slap
Shawn,
You deserve a seriously vicious dope-slap.
Nobody gives a rat's ass about your opinion of President Reagan or your
guess as to everybody else's EXCEPT the people who care enough about him to
start a stupid flame war over your blatantly political comment.
Your photo comments are appreciated but please, for the love of mike, don't
bring up politics.
Cory
- Original Message -
From: "Shawn K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 12:16 PM
Subject: RE: reagan cortege

Reagan was a "dumb blonde", obviously the current government is stirring 
up
this mess in order to turn up some republican converts.  Otherwise I doubt
very much that 90% of the country really gives a rip.
Nice pictures though, all of them are good, a few are great, I think my
favorite is the one with the girl by the fence looking back at you,
although
I prefer the composition of the one where she's looking out at the
procession.
-Shawn



RE: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread Shawn K.
On the other hand, one might say your ignorance of how the sitting
government does things shows a level of immaturity.

-Shawn

-Original Message-
From: Gonz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 6:51 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: reagan cortege


Tom, you did nothing wrong.  This is just good photojournalism.  People
shouldn't put their own political commentary onto something that is
apolitical.  Just because the funeral procession was for a political
figure does not make it a political event.  He was the leader of our
country, but he was also a citizen.  Its a sad day when people inject
venemous rhetoric, it shows incredible immaturity.   Keep 'em coming.

rg


tom wrote:

>>-Original Message-
>>From: Bob Blakely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 4:57 PM
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: Re: reagan cortege
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>shit of the list
>
>
>
>Is that like chicken of the sea?
>
>Sorry for starting this up, I figured if I just showed some pics people
>could look at them. Should have known better.
>
>tv
>
>
>
>
>



Re: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread Cotty


>Toms pics were nice, pro-reagan patriotic pics - particularly the one 
>of the horse.

There's something wrong with you pal.


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Re: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread Andrew Robinson
I'm in this group. I was never a fan of Reagan or his politics, but he 
earned his funeral. Of Tom's pics, I like the hearse passing in front of 
 the Washington Monument the most.

Andrew Robinson
frank theriault wrote:
I'm no fan of Reagan, or his politics.  Quite the contrary.  But, the 
man just died.  Like it or not, he was a very popular President of the 
world's most powerful country.  And, he just died.  We should show some 
respect, to him, the office of president, the country, and those who are 
grieving.

I wasn't even interested enough to look at the photos.  But with all the 
crap being stirred by certain disrespectful persons on this list, I 
guess I should go look.

If tom took them, they must be good...
regards,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The 
pessimist fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer



From: "Amita Guha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: reagan cortege
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:34:09 -0400
> don't be so ridiculous. Whether you liked him or not, Reagan
> was the most popular President in American history and his
> funeral is an important news event.
I'm no Reagan fan, but I liked Tom's photos a lot, and I can appreciate
them regardless of who is being honored.
Amita
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inflammatory subjects

2004-06-10 Thread tom
http://www.bigdayphoto.com/tom/images/onyx.jpg

Black labs are better than yellow!

(Ash went out and rescued a dog while I was at GFM, Phyllis wanted a look)

tv



Re: 645n price check on aisle 2

2004-06-10 Thread Stan Halpin
Or you could buy from a list member who has some quality 645 gear for 
sale...

Stan
On Jun 10, 2004, at 10:35 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I found this 645n on eBay (item # 3820509724) for $1100.
It ends in 12 hours!
Included : 80 - 160 mm zoom lens, 220 film back
I found it at this URL:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3820509724
Looks like a good price to me. KEH wants $800-900 for the lens alone.
Speaking of KEH, I just checked on used 645 gear there and if you're
willing to go for manual focus you can get some screaming deals on 645
bodies and lenses.
--
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Photography and writing
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Re: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread Cotty
On 10/6/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, offered:

>Bob, perhaps you should ask the photographer to remove the patriotic 
>political pics too in your usual diplomatic manner. Just to be fair.
>
>Antonio

Unbelievable.


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Re: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread Jim Apilado
How could Tom's pics be pro-Reagan?   Tom showed us his views of the event.
I saw nothing "Reagan" in them at all.  Had I been there I would have taken
the same images so I could the sense of what happened at the state funeral.

Jim A.

  
> From: Antonio Aparicio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 00:29:45 +0200
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: reagan cortege
> Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:29:51 -0400
> 
> And one of the most unpopular to the rest of the world, particularly
> Latin America (remember Honduras and Nicaragua?) and Iraq (where he
> setup Sadam Hussein with a nice set of weapons to kill his own people),
> or perhaps Afghanistan (where his policies left Bin Laden and co. setup
> and nice little training camp after supporting him and the Taleban with
> weapons and cash to kick out the Russians).
> 
> Sure he helped put and end to the cold war, but he also played an
> important role in sewing the seeds of todays problems.
> 
> Toms pics were nice, pro-reagan patriotic pics - particularly the one
> of the horse.
> 
> Antonio
> 
> On 11 Jun 2004, at 00:18, Bob W wrote:
> 
>> Whether you liked him or not, Reagan was the
>> most popular President in American history and his funeral is an
>> important news event.
>> 
>> I thought Tom's photos were excellent, particularly the riderless
>> horse,
>> which I think is as good an example as any I've seen in the press of
>> that
>> image.
> 



RE: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread Cotty
http://www.bigdayphoto.com/reagan/index.htm

SUPER stuff tv.



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RE: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread frank theriault
I'm no fan of Reagan, or his politics.  Quite the contrary.  But, the man 
just died.  Like it or not, he was a very popular President of the world's 
most powerful country.  And, he just died.  We should show some respect, to 
him, the office of president, the country, and those who are grieving.

I wasn't even interested enough to look at the photos.  But with all the 
crap being stirred by certain disrespectful persons on this list, I guess I 
should go look.

If tom took them, they must be good...
regards,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer



From: "Amita Guha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: reagan cortege
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:34:09 -0400
> don't be so ridiculous. Whether you liked him or not, Reagan
> was the most popular President in American history and his
> funeral is an important news event.
I'm no Reagan fan, but I liked Tom's photos a lot, and I can appreciate
them regardless of who is being honored.
Amita
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RE: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread tom
> -Original Message-
> From: John Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> > 
> > I thought Tom's photos were excellent, particularly the riderless 
> > horse, which I think is as good an example as any I've seen in the 
> > press of that image.
> 
> Now there I'd disagree with you.  I've seen wider shots which 
> give more of the total atmosphere; Tom's is too tight a shot 
> for my preferences.

Yeah, I felt I pretty much blew that one. Once the transfer took place, it
got pretty crowded -

http://www.bigdayphoto.com/reagan/040609-182708-6072.htm

I really couldn't move much, and then I sort of forgot that the riderless
horse was coming

tv



Re: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread Gonz
Tom, you did nothing wrong.  This is just good photojournalism.  People 
shouldn't put their own political commentary onto something that is 
apolitical.  Just because the funeral procession was for a political 
figure does not make it a political event.  He was the leader of our 
country, but he was also a citizen.  Its a sad day when people inject 
venemous rhetoric, it shows incredible immaturity.   Keep 'em coming.

rg
tom wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Bob Blakely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 4:57 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: reagan cortege

   

 

shit of the list 


Is that like chicken of the sea?
Sorry for starting this up, I figured if I just showed some pics people
could look at them. Should have known better.
tv

 




Re: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread Rob Studdert
On 11 Jun 2004 at 0:29, Antonio Aparicio wrote:

> Toms pics were nice, pro-reagan patriotic pics - particularly the one 
> of the horse.

Oh come on, grow up, Americans voted him in, they are just seeing him out the 
way that they do people who held his level of governance. Toms pics were 
representative of what he saw nothing more. I saw the PBS Jim Lehrer special 
just before I saw Toms pics and I got much more out of his "coverage". I'm glad 
he had the opportunity to be there so he could share it with us. Thanks Tom.


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Re: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread John Francis
> 
> I thought Tom's photos were excellent, particularly the riderless horse,
> which I think is as good an example as any I've seen in the press of that
> image.

Now there I'd disagree with you.  I've seen wider shots which give more
of the total atmosphere; Tom's is too tight a shot for my preferences.



RE: Next body after P30?

2004-06-10 Thread Jens Bladt
I own a Super A as well as a P30 and P50. It's true that the (earlier) Super
A is superior to the other two (TTL flash and shutter priority). One thing I
like ablut both P30 and P50 is the very soft release. The P50 has a
beautiful design as well.

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Brian Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 9. juni 2004 02:11
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: Next body after P30?


Hi Peter

I'd agree with Joe.

The Super A / Super Program is a great manual camera. Apart from the LX, it
was
the most sophisticated manual camera that Pentax produced and it picked up a
swag
of well deserved awards. I've seen good examples offered on ebay so you
could
probably pick one up at a reasonable cost.  It features program, aperture
priority, shutter priority and metered manual exposure modes as well as TTL
flash
(program and shutter priority only available with 'A' series manual lenses).
Also has depth of field preview, exposure compensation and a PC flash
connector
socket.  I've been using one for many years and I still use it regularly
even
though I have more recent models.

The P50/P5 is also good as a step up from the P30.  Although not as full
featured
as the Super A, it is (in my opinion anyway), one of the best handling
models
that Pentax produced - it really feels good to use.  It has 'landscape' and
'speed' program modes as well as aperture priority and metered manual.  No
TTL
flash.  It doesn't provide for manual setting of film speed - DX only (like
the
P30) but if you feel the need to change the rated film speed, you can get
around
this by using the exposure compensation facility (unlike the P30).

I've never used the MZ-M so I can't comment on that one.


Regards

Brian


+

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Australian Plants Societies
http://farrer.csu.edu.au/ASGAP/

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 18:24 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:

>I prefer Pentax manual lenses for travel due to their size, weight and
>great optics. They are also relatively cheap secondhand.
>
>However, the bodies have always left me a bit flat. I can't afford an LX so
>I started with ME Supers. More recently, the P30T has worked well ...
>inexpensive and looks very unassuming to the locals. But I am perplexed
>about what is the next step up. I understand the P30 was the last manual
>body made.
>
>Could I expect better results using my manual lenses with an autofocus body
>instead of the P30T. I guess what I am looking for is a brief rundown of
>the merits of each body when used with manual lenses. What meter modes will
>or will not work, and what advantages are gained from those of the newer
>features that can be so utlilized.
>
>Thanks for any advice.
>
>Peter Nielsen
>




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RE: reagan cortege - E-Dope Slap

2004-06-10 Thread TMP
hm, pure class...

tv took some really good photos, he showed them to the list. end of story.

at no time did he mention anything political.  It was purely for
entertainment value, as the procession etc was such big news in DC.  (I
know, I was there at the time remember)...

get over yourself shawn.

tan.  (who managed to say what she needed to without swearing or name
calling, geddit).



-Original Message-
From: Shawn K. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 11 June 2004 7:14 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: reagan cortege - E-Dope Slap


Ill take the opportunity to slander the name of the biggest idiot in the
history of American politics any time I please!  You guys are pretentious
finicky lot, you can kiss my ass, Ill say whatever the hell I please whether
its political or otherwise.

-Shawn

-Original Message-
From: cbwaters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 5:50 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: reagan cortege - E-Dope Slap


Shawn,
You deserve a seriously vicious dope-slap.
Nobody gives a rat's ass about your opinion of President Reagan or your
guess as to everybody else's EXCEPT the people who care enough about him to
start a stupid flame war over your blatantly political comment.
Your photo comments are appreciated but please, for the love of mike, don't
bring up politics.

Cory

- Original Message -
From: "Shawn K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 12:16 PM
Subject: RE: reagan cortege


> Reagan was a "dumb blonde", obviously the current government is stirring
up
> this mess in order to turn up some republican converts.  Otherwise I doubt
> very much that 90% of the country really gives a rip.
>
> Nice pictures though, all of them are good, a few are great, I think my
> favorite is the one with the girl by the fence looking back at you,
although
> I prefer the composition of the one where she's looking out at the
> procession.
>
>
> -Shawn
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 2:16 AM
> To: pdml
> Subject: reagan cortege
>
>
> So Braswell emails me last night and asks what the deal with the Reagan
> funeral is. Like I'd know.
>
> Anyway, he shows up here at 3 today and we head down to get what we can
get
> -
>
> http://www.bigdayphoto.com/reagan/index.htm
>
> Yeah, I took Charles Braswell to a sushi restaurant.
>
> tv
>


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Re: OT secure storage

2004-06-10 Thread Rob Studdert
On 10 Jun 2004 at 11:56, graywolf wrote:

> I, on the other hand, had a APS UPS burst into flame. If I had not been sitting
> at the computer when it happened, it would have burned the house down. I will
> never trust their equipment again.

Wow, I personally own two big units including one that takes multiple external 
battery packs, it's designed for long run times (better cooling etc) and I've 
sold hundreds of them over the years from all across their range. I have 
repaired several of what I deem lesser brands too over the years. I have pics 
of the insides of some of these including evidence of vaporized PCB tracks etc. 
The only time I ever had to open APC UPS were to change batteries. As I said 
YMMV.

Cheers,


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RE: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread tom
> -Original Message-
> From: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> Yep, you should have. Pictures of politicians normally evoke 
> political comentary, both positive and negative. Mind you 
> pics of flowers to too so I am not sure you would be safe 
> with them either. Actually, come to think of it, you will 
> normally get a range of opinion no matter what the image you 
> post. But try explaining that to the opinion police . 

You seem to be a member, why don't you tell me the proper forms to fill out?

I was speaking slightly tongue in cheek. I'll take whatever pictures I like,
and I'll post them here if they don't suck.

BTW, I'd like you to explain how these are particularly patriotic. Pretty
much every shot that could be construed as heroic is balanced by one that
could be considered mundane or even irreverent. Half the shots are of people
smiling, laughing or talking on the phone. Compare that to the typical
Kennedy shot.

I really had no agenda except to take some shots of something that doesn't
happen very often and is a huge spectacle.

tv




RE: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread Amita Guha
> don't be so ridiculous. Whether you liked him or not, Reagan 
> was the most popular President in American history and his 
> funeral is an important news event.

I'm no Reagan fan, but I liked Tom's photos a lot, and I can appreciate
them regardless of who is being honored.

Amita



Re: Giving up on the FA 28-70/4

2004-06-10 Thread John Whittingham
Aah thanks. They seem prone to these ailments. I would recommend SMC Pentax-M
35-70/2.8-3.5 although shorter in focal length range but perhaps not suitable 
for your camera body. Great lens all the same, I won't part with mine.

John

John Whittingham

Technician

-- Original Message ---
From: alex wetmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:24:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Giving up on the FA 28-70/4

> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, John Whittingham wrote:
> > Can someone explain the Giving up on the FA 28-70/4 subject to me, I have 
one
> > in need of a clean (fungus) wouldn't want much for it, I'll keep it for
> > spares otherwise.
> 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/pentax-discuss%40pdml.net/msg185702.html
> is my original message, which explains it all.
> 
> alex
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Re: Future PUG idea?

2004-06-10 Thread Anders Hultman
On Wed, 9 Jun 2004, William M Kane wrote:

> Idea is this.  Everyone posts there x-numbered picture from their *ist 
> D . . . say maybe their 4321st picture?  The number shouldn't be too 
> high to start with, since some people don't have THAT many pictures . . 

With my Sony P&S I have rolled over from  to  once already, so I
actually have two pictures number 4321:

Graffiti in the Stockholm Underground:
  http://anders.hultman.nu/pickup/DSC04321_(031127)_.JPG

Finnish micromusic artist Huoratron plays his Game Boys:
  http://anders.hultman.nu/pickup/DSC04321_(040506)_.JPG

anders
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http://anders.hultman.nu/
med dagens bild och allt!



Re: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread Antonio Aparicio
And one of the most unpopular to the rest of the world, particularly 
Latin America (remember Honduras and Nicaragua?) and Iraq (where he 
setup Sadam Hussein with a nice set of weapons to kill his own people), 
or perhaps Afghanistan (where his policies left Bin Laden and co. setup 
and nice little training camp after supporting him and the Taleban with 
weapons and cash to kick out the Russians).

Sure he helped put and end to the cold war, but he also played an 
important role in sewing the seeds of todays problems.

Toms pics were nice, pro-reagan patriotic pics - particularly the one 
of the horse.

Antonio
On 11 Jun 2004, at 00:18, Bob W wrote:
Whether you liked him or not, Reagan was the
most popular President in American history and his funeral is an
important news event.
I thought Tom's photos were excellent, particularly the riderless 
horse,
which I think is as good an example as any I've seen in the press of 
that
image.



Re: Giving up on the FA 28-70/4

2004-06-10 Thread alex wetmore
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, John Whittingham wrote:
> Can someone explain the Giving up on the FA 28-70/4 subject to me, I have one
> in need of a clean (fungus) wouldn't want much for it, I'll keep it for
> spares otherwise.

http://www.mail-archive.com/pentax-discuss%40pdml.net/msg185702.html
is my original message, which explains it all.

alex



Re: Giving up on the FA 28-70/4

2004-06-10 Thread John Whittingham
Really nice work! 

Can someone explain the Giving up on the FA 28-70/4 subject to me, I have one 
in need of a clean (fungus) wouldn't want much for it, I'll keep it for 
spares otherwise.

John

John Whittingham

Technician

-- Original Message ---
From: alex wetmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:16:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Giving up on the FA 28-70/4

> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, John Whittingham wrote:
> > Thanks Kostas, sorry to see the 85 f2 go, but I had two of them.
> 
> Wow, it went for quite a bit of money though ($389).  I just picked
> one of these up at a local camera shop for $145 used...
> 
> Good sale!
> 
> I used the 85/2 at a friend's wedding (just for snapshots) last
> weekend and have been pretty happy with it.  I've been using it on 
> the *ist D.
> 
> A sample:
> http://phred.org/~alex/pictures/654-wedding/reduced/IMGP3407.jpg
> 
> It has nice bokeh and I love the small size.  A funny thing in that
> shot (and many others) is the highlight in the upper left.  I think
> that is a drop of falling rain being highlighted by someone else's
> flash.
> 
> alex
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Re: Giving up on the FA 28-70/4

2004-06-10 Thread alexanderkrohe
From: Rob Studdert 
Subject: Re: Giving up on the FA 28-70/4 
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 02:51:24 -0700 

On 10 Jun 2004 at 2:12, alexanderkrohe wrote:

> > I don't know the FA31ltd but from the pictures I
have
> > seen it has a totally different color reproduction
. 

> I don't believe that anyone can make truly relative
comparisons regarding 
> contrast/colour unless the tests are made in a
controlled environment or at 
> least with the same media. 

The impression is from a quick an dirty comparison
between the 31mm of a friend and my 24mm. Slide film, 
same film, same subject, same time, same same
lightning . OK this isn't exactly scientific our
impression was that there are visible differences in
color reproduction (no judgment here which on is
"better"). 
Sure shooting newspapers, brick walls, roof tops and
filigree branches in bright back light gives 
important insights into the properties of the optics. 
But I think such tests are overrated - the actual
"image impression" in practical use is IMO much more
relevant .   

Enjoy 
Alexander





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Re: Cotty home - GFM stuff

2004-06-10 Thread cbwaters
If you feel young enough people, you can go to jail.  Even here in Georgia
:-)
CW

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> You're only as old as the person you feel. :-)
>
> TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
>
>
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Re: Giving up on the FA 28-70/4

2004-06-10 Thread alexanderkrohe
Sorry that is the message that does not seem to have
come through  I hit the wrong button ... 

Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:54:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: alexanderkrohe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Giving up on the FA 28-70/4
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From: alex wetmore 
Subject: Re: Giving up on the FA 28-70/4 
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 06:48:46 -0700 

> On Wed, 9 Jun 2004, Robert & Leigh Woerner wrote:
> > Be patient and look for an SMC F 28-80 f 3.5/4.5
zoom. Built like a tank and
> > good optically. Only negative is rotating front
element.
> 
> Is this identical to the Takumar-F 28-80/3.5-4.5
zoom?  I own one of
> those and have never been impressed with it.  In
particular the
> manual focus feel is awful, it is way too loose.

According to Boz' page they are optically identical
though that is news to me. 
Until know I assumed the Takumar-F is optically
identical with the SMC-FA 28-80/3.5-4.7 zoom (8/8
elements/groups) and not with the SMC-F 28-80/3.5-4.5
(12/9 elements/groups)

Enjoy, 
Alexander
   







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Re: reagan cortege - E-Dope Slap

2004-06-10 Thread cbwaters
Shawn,
You deserve a seriously vicious dope-slap.
Nobody gives a rat's ass about your opinion of President Reagan or your
guess as to everybody else's EXCEPT the people who care enough about him to
start a stupid flame war over your blatantly political comment.
Your photo comments are appreciated but please, for the love of mike, don't
bring up politics.

Cory

- Original Message - 
From: "Shawn K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 12:16 PM
Subject: RE: reagan cortege


> Reagan was a "dumb blonde", obviously the current government is stirring
up
> this mess in order to turn up some republican converts.  Otherwise I doubt
> very much that 90% of the country really gives a rip.
>
> Nice pictures though, all of them are good, a few are great, I think my
> favorite is the one with the girl by the fence looking back at you,
although
> I prefer the composition of the one where she's looking out at the
> procession.
>
>
> -Shawn
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 2:16 AM
> To: pdml
> Subject: reagan cortege
>
>
> So Braswell emails me last night and asks what the deal with the Reagan
> funeral is. Like I'd know.
>
> Anyway, he shows up here at 3 today and we head down to get what we can
get
> -
>
> http://www.bigdayphoto.com/reagan/index.htm
>
> Yeah, I took Charles Braswell to a sushi restaurant.
>
> tv
>


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Re: Giving up on the FA 28-70/4

2004-06-10 Thread alexanderkrohe
Sorry if you get this message twice but it does not
seem to have come through ...   

Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:39:41 -0700
From: "Alan Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Giving up on the FA 28-70/4
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed

> >The FA*24/2 produces extremely contrasty images.

> Certainly not what I have found. I had the Sigma
24/2.8 which produced 
> far 
more contrasty slides than the FA*24/2, even my >
friends Nikkor AF 
24-120 
> produced more vivid color and contrasty slides than
this Pentax which 
> looks 
dull in comparsion. I thought there was something
wrong (either the 
> lens or 
myself), but after owning two FA*24/2 and using them
for years, I know 
> them 
well. 

I stick to my words. I am not talking about
"sharpness" (which quite imperfectly describes the
quality of a lens) or color fringing etc. I was
talking about contrast. It is certainly not dull. Its
particular strengths are high contrasty sceneries

> FA31/1.8 on the otherhand, receives a lot of praise
from me. 
> Simply a 
great lens optically.

I don't know the FA31ltd but from the pictures I have
seen it has a totally different color reproduction . 

Enjoy,
 Alexander






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Re: long glass

2004-06-10 Thread Ryan Brooks
Yup, it's more fun on the digital slr though.
-Ryan
tom wrote:
800/6.7 for 6x7? Holy frijole.
 

-Original Message-
From: Ryan Brooks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 4:20 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: long glass

Hey Tom and all,
   I modified a 67->K adapter to 67>EF and have used the 
800ED/6.7, 200 and 55-100mm with great success... fyi,

-Ryan
tom wrote:
   

That would be cool... 


 

-Original Message-
From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 6:17 AM
To: pentax list
Subject: RE: long glass

  

   

well, all  know is that after using Cotty's lens, I am seriously 
considering switching to Canon, and I don't take that


 

decision lightly...
  

   

tan.


 

OTOH, tv loved the EOSK 50mm 1.2 

I'll ask the company who did the adapter ring if they would do 
another.

Cheers,
Cotty
___/\__
||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps
_

  

   


 

   


 




RE: gfm 2004

2004-06-10 Thread tom
> -Original Message-
> From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> Yes, Yes, YES!!
> 
> I'm glad I wasn't the only one to think so.  I was beginning 
> to think myself paranoid (or worse!), but really, it's 
> obvious when you think about it, isn't it?

We thought about staging a walkout and maybe a demonstration, but we were
sleepy.

tv




RE: long glass

2004-06-10 Thread tom
800/6.7 for 6x7? Holy frijole.

> -Original Message-
> From: Ryan Brooks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 4:20 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: long glass
> 
> Hey Tom and all,
> 
> I modified a 67->K adapter to 67>EF and have used the 
> 800ED/6.7, 200 and 55-100mm with great success... fyi,
> 
> -Ryan
> 
> 
> tom wrote:
> 
> >That would be cool... 
> >
> >  
> >
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 6:17 AM
> >>To: pentax list
> >>Subject: RE: long glass
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>well, all  know is that after using Cotty's lens, I am seriously 
> >>>considering switching to Canon, and I don't take that
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>decision lightly...
> >>
> >>
> >>>tan.
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>OTOH, tv loved the EOSK 50mm 1.2 
> >>
> >>I'll ask the company who did the adapter ring if they would do 
> >>another.
> >>
> >>
> >>Cheers,
> >>  Cotty
> >>
> >>
> >>___/\__
> >>||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
> >>||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps
> >>_
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 



Re: long glass

2004-06-10 Thread Ryan Brooks
Hey Tom and all,
   I modified a 67->K adapter to 67>EF and have used the 800ED/6.7, 200 
and 55-100mm with great success... fyi,

-Ryan
tom wrote:
That would be cool... 

 

-Original Message-
From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 6:17 AM
To: pentax list
Subject: RE: long glass


   

well, all  know is that after using Cotty's lens, I am seriously 
considering switching to Canon, and I don't take that 
 

decision lightly...
   

tan.
 

OTOH, tv loved the EOSK 50mm 1.2 

I'll ask the company who did the adapter ring if they would 
do another.

Cheers,
 Cotty
___/\__
||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps
_

   


 




RE: gfm 2004

2004-06-10 Thread frank theriault
Yes, Yes, YES!!
I'm glad I wasn't the only one to think so.  I was beginning to think myself 
paranoid (or worse!), but really, it's obvious when you think about it, 
isn't it?


cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer



From: "tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

12 - We're all disappointed Frank didn't place. We're pretty sure there's a
conspiracy.
http://www.bigdayphoto.com/tan/040607-024754-4956_std.htm
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Re: GFM My Reactions & People Snapshots

2004-06-10 Thread frank theriault
Tremendous photos, Marnie!!
You really captured the spirit of the event.  They'd be even better in b&w, 
taken with film, on a Pentax.  

I owe you an e-mail off-list.  Sorry, it's all I can do to keep up with the 
list right now (like you, still feeling kind of burned out from GFM!).

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: GFM My Reactions & People Snapshots
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 06:20:05 EDT
Sheesh, it might help if you had a url, don't you think?
http://members.aol.com/eactivist/gfm/gfm.html
Doe  Sigh. I am still tired.
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RE: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread Shawn K.

Same to ya!!!


-Shawn


-Original Message-
From: Mark Dalal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 3:17 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: reagan cortege


From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Isn't it tedious how someone always has to inject there personal 
> politics into a thread about images? 
> 

But it makes it so much easier to identify them for the kill file. : )

Mark



RE: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread Shawn K.
What's really tedious is Reagan's speeches!!  


-Shawn

-Original Message-
From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 2:35 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: reagan cortege



On Jun 10, 2004, at 12:16 PM, Shawn K. wrote:

> Reagan was a "dumb blonde", obviously the current government is 
> stirring up
> this mess in order to turn up some republican converts.  Otherwise I 
> doubt
> very much that 90% of the country really gives a rip.
>

Isn't it tedious how someone always has to inject there personal 
politics into a thread about images? 



Re: snaps from GFM and a couple of comments (obligatory Pentax content)

2004-06-10 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 6/10/2004 12:18:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Three of them:
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/gfm2004.htm#group

-- 
Mark Roberts
-
Nice recount and pics. Thanks.

Marnie aka Doe  I sort of like the middle group shot the best.



RE: long glass

2004-06-10 Thread tom
That would be cool... 

> -Original Message-
> From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 6:17 AM
> To: pentax list
> Subject: RE: long glass
> 
> 
> 
> >well, all  know is that after using Cotty's lens, I am seriously 
> >considering switching to Canon, and I don't take that 
> decision lightly...
> >
> >tan.
> 
> OTOH, tv loved the EOSK 50mm 1.2 
> 
> I'll ask the company who did the adapter ring if they would 
> do another.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
> 
> 
> ___/\__
> ||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
> ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps
> _
> 
> 
> 



RE: reagan cortege

2004-06-10 Thread tom
> -Original Message-
> From: Shawn K. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> Reagan was a "dumb blonde", obviously the current government 
> is stirring up this mess in order to turn up some republican 
> converts.  Otherwise I doubt very much that 90% of the 
> country really gives a rip.

I was just there to take some pics and see something interesting.

> 
> Nice pictures though, all of them are good, a few are great, 
> I think my favorite is the one with the girl by the fence 
> looking back at you, although I prefer the composition of the 
> one where she's looking out at the procession.

Thanks.

tv



Re: K 85/2.2 soft

2004-06-10 Thread Antonio Aparicio
LOL. Just in case you get pregnant?
Antonio
On 10 Jun 2004, at 20:51, Andre Langevin wrote:
I keep mine, just in case...



Re: K 85/2.2 soft

2004-06-10 Thread Bruce Dayton
I'll jump in with a "I've seen the photoshop attempts and they don't
look the same" - I much prefer the real thing.  I have my eyes on the
lookout for a good deal.

Bruce


Thursday, June 10, 2004, 11:55:01 AM, you wrote:


F> By the way, you should brace yourself - someone is bound to jump in
F> with a "heck - why don't you do it in PhotoShop instead" comment...
F> 

F> Fred





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