RE: Shoot now, focus later

2005-11-25 Thread Bob W
Herb is like Marie Antoinette. Qu'ils mangent de la brioche!

--
Cheers,
 Bob 

 -Original Message-
 From: Boris Liberman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 25 November 2005 06:33
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Shoot now, focus later
 
 Hi!
 
  Herb Chong wrote:
  
 as Rob said it earlier, $600, not $6K. if that is a 
 hardship, should 
 you be shooting anything?
 
 Herb...
  
  
  What a very bigoted comment , Herb.  How sad.
  
  ann, to whom $600 is a hell of a lot of money
 
 Pardon my appearance here, but Ann is *absolutely right*. How 
 to put it politely, Herb? But $600 is very significant piece 
 of my monthly salary although mine is considerably above 
 average locally.
 
 Boris
 
 
 
 



PEOW: RiverBoy

2005-11-25 Thread John Taylor
I've not posted much in a while so I thought I would put this one out  
there. My FA 50 f1.4 has been seriously underutilized and the sun  
hasn't been out in a while here in the Pacific Northwest. But I  
happened to catch another  snap of my grandson during a brief outing  
to the Snoqualmie River last weekend. Comment appreciated as always.  
Thanks for looking.


Jay
http://i.pbase.com/o4/87/63987/1/52723043.DariusRiver.jpg



Re: PESO Experimental Pano

2005-11-25 Thread Rob Studdert
On 25 Nov 2005 at 9:53, Don Williams wrote:

 A great panorama. How do you make the 
 images into a 'mov' file?

Thanks Don, I rendered a 360 degree cylindrical pano using 
http://hugin.sourceforge.net/ and the converted it to a MOV using 
http://www.pano2qtvr.com/

 Are those cottages to the right of your 
 VW -- between the road and the beach? Is 
 there any water around there -- fresh I 
 mean of course. Too many questions?

Yes and I think the buildings are amenities units, it's camping only:

http://www.westernaustralia.com/en/search/product.htm?ID=9001596

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: PESO Experimental Pano

2005-11-25 Thread Rob Studdert
On 24 Nov 2005 at 21:05, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 Excellent, very nicely done.

Thanks Godfrey, glad you checked it out.

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: PESO Experimental Pano

2005-11-25 Thread Rob Studdert
On 24 Nov 2005 at 22:28, Paul Stenquist wrote:

 Very cool. You seem to be having a lot of fun with panos. I'm going to 
 have to give it a try. The Quick Time presentation is excellent.

Hi Paul,

Yes it is a lot of fun, just don't go trying to produce one with WA lenses if 
you haven't attempted to compensate for parallax error in the tripod head, 
stitching then becomes a nightmare. I've got mine nicely set up now, it's easy 
to dial in compensation for any particular lens. So now I can shoot panos with 
subject matter at any distance from the lens easily. Good luck, I look forward 
to seeing some of your attempts :-)

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re:PESO Experimental Pano

2005-11-25 Thread Jay Taylor

Rob,
Verrry Nice!  For fun try holding down the mouse and panning through 
the QTVR at ever increasing speeds.

Did you have to use a specialized tripod head to make this image?
Again a fantastic job Rob.

Jay

On Nov 24, 2005, at 8:00 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:


Enough talk, time for another Pano PESO, this one is a bit of an
experiment
however. I hope I don't offend too many people but it's in Apple
QTVR format
(MOV) so if you can't view these standalone or in an enabled
Browser then you
might have to pass. Also it also contains a Google Earth link which
shows
exactly from where the shot was made.

http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/pano084.mov (~880kB)

Tech: *ist D, ISO200, 1/800s A16/2.8 @ f8 (8 landscape shots)

Thumbnail images stitched using Hugin/Enblend and converted to QTVR
using
Pano2QTVR.

Feedback would be appreciated.

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998




London PDML

2005-11-25 Thread jcoyle
I asked in an earlier message whether it would be possible to meet with some of
our London/UK guys today or tomorrow - sorry to be so late in advising that the
family stuff is still getting in the way!  Unfortunately, I will not be able to
organise a meet any time this visit - bummer

Regards and thanks to all who said they might or would be available

John Coyle
(now heading south)


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Re: New Poll -- Favorite film (was -- Shoot now, focus later)

2005-11-25 Thread Cotty
On 24/11/05, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed:

We're past due for a new poll, aren't' we?  So what's your favorite
film, and why?  Give us details, such as which films you use for what
subjects.  Or do you use certain films with certain lenses or cameras?

My favourite film is a roll of FP4 that's sitting (exposed) in the
bottom of my desk drawer. It's been there for some years and I have
absolutely no idea what's on it. Since I stopped shooting film about 2
years ago (a year into digital for me) it has bee pleading with me to
develop it, but I am a cruel master. Occasionally I open the drawer and
taunt it with a bottle of Ilfosol S.

It must beg.




Cheers,
  Cotty


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||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
_




Re: PEOW: RiverBoy

2005-11-25 Thread Cotty
On 25/11/05, John Taylor, discombobulated, unleashed:

I've not posted much in a while so I thought I would put this one out  
there. My FA 50 f1.4 has been seriously underutilized and the sun  
hasn't been out in a while here in the Pacific Northwest. But I  
happened to catch another  snap of my grandson during a brief outing  
to the Snoqualmie River last weekend. Comment appreciated as always.  
Thanks for looking.

Jay
http://i.pbase.com/o4/87/63987/1/52723043.DariusRiver.jpg

What  a great pic. Pretentious framing but it works for me. With a title
like that I would expect some water, but it's your call. Since the
background doesn't add anything at all IMO. a close vertical crop would
be my choice - his expression does more than enough to carry the shot. I
think that's what would be described as 'the decisive moment'.

Cracker. Well done.




Cheers,
  Cotty


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||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
_




Re: New Poll -- Favorite film

2005-11-25 Thread Gasha


1. My favorite is Astia 100F
It is enough sharp and detailed for 35mm and 120 format.

2. Velvia 50/120 (no comments)
3. Fuji Reala 100/120 (fantastic details both in higlights and shadows)
4. APX100/120 for BW. Super grainless film in diluted Rodinal.


Gasha



GESO: Weekend in Barcelona

2005-11-25 Thread Lucas Rijnders

Hi all,

Last weekend I flew to Barcelona for a short break. I don't fly often, so  
I couldn't resist taking some pictures out of the window at sunrise. To my  
dismay there is more flare (I think?) than I anticipated: See pictures 2  
and 3. It can hardly be the lens (it's an A50/1,7), so I think the  
plane-window is to blame. Is this salvageable in post-processing? If not:  
is there anything I can do a next time to prevent this, besides for asking  
an SMC window :o) ?


The gallery is a quick scan of the whole roll, put up primarily for my  
fellow-travellers. However, feel free to take a look. Comments of any kind  
are more than welcome.


http://www.jenny.dds.nl/lucas/Barca/index.html

--
Regards, Lucas



Re: PESO Experimental Pano

2005-11-25 Thread Cotty
On 25/11/05, Rob Studdert, discombobulated, unleashed:

Enough talk, time for another Pano PESO, this one is a bit of an experiment 
however. I hope I don't offend too many people but it's in Apple QTVR format 
(MOV) so if you can't view these standalone or in an enabled Browser
then you 
might have to pass. Also it also contains a Google Earth link which shows 
exactly from where the shot was made.

http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/pano084.mov (~880kB)

Tech: *ist D, ISO200, 1/800s A16/2.8 @ f8 (8 landscape shots)

Thumbnail images stitched using Hugin/Enblend and converted to QTVR using 
Pano2QTVR.

Feedback would be appreciated.

Well done mate. Looks great. I'll let you off seeing as it's
experimental, but you're such a lazy arse you couldn't even close the
card doors ;-)




Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__
||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
_




Re: PESO Experimental Pano

2005-11-25 Thread Christian


- Original Message - 
From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED]


http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/pano084.mov (~880kB)



Very cool, Rob.

Christian



Re: New Poll -- Favorite film (was -- Shoot now, focus later)

2005-11-25 Thread dagt
 fra: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 We're past due for a new poll, aren't' we?  So what's your favorite
 film, and why?  Give us details, such as which films you use for what
 subjects.  Or do you use certain films with certain lenses or cameras?
  Etc.

I still use film.  In the LX mainly because they still haven't managed to 
repair the *istD (I'll try not to say what I think about Pentax service in the 
Netherlands), but in medium format bw is so totally different from digital 
pictures that I still use film.  The fiber based Ilford paper combined with the 
DOF and tonality, as well as the work flow of course, is another world.  

To the question:
Provia 100F on the LX.  Neutral colours and good but not too much saturation.
Ilford HP5+ on the 6x6 Bronica.  A very tolerant film for exposure variations 
and nice tonal qualities. 

DagT



Re: PESO: my favourite hell-hole

2005-11-25 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have produced one for use with the 1.53x sensors but not for full frame, it
 wouldn't take too much tweaking though:

Great. Thanks. :-)

Ralf

-- 
Ralf R. Radermacher  -  DL9KCG  -  Köln/Cologne, Germany
private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de
manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005
Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses



Re: New Poll -- Favorite film (was -- Shoot now, focus later)

2005-11-25 Thread Glen

At 07:31 PM 11/24/2005, Scott Loveless wrote:


We're past due for a new poll, aren't' we?  So what's your favorite
film, and why?  Give us details, such as which films you use for what
subjects.  Or do you use certain films with certain lenses or cameras?
 Etc.


All the following are 35mm films:

Kodak Technical Pan - Developed in Technidol, for normal pictorial use. - 
Its heightened sensitivity to deep red / near infrared gives it a special 
look, as does it near-total lack of grain. Of course, it's discontinued.


Ilford XP2 - C-41 compatible, BW negative film - extremely wide exposure 
latitude with fine grain - scans well


Kodak Ektar 25 - Wonderful, extremely fine-grained color print film. It was 
so good, they killed it off years ago!


Kodak Daylight-Balanced Slide Duplicating Film - Terrific to shoot 
nighttime cityscapes with! - This was a special order product, in 100 ft 
rolls. - This particular emulsion is also discontinued


Kodachrome 25 - Great color - Very good archival keeping properties - No 
longer available.


Kodak Portra 160 NC - Nice accurate colors, wide exposure latitude, scans 
well, very fine grain.



My absolute favorite films are discontinued. I'm left with Ilford XP-2 and 
Kodak Portra 160 NC. I don't really have a favorite slide film anymore, 
largely because I haven't shot any slide film in years. Of the two films 
remaining, both can be processed to a negative by a local 1-hour lab. I can 
then scan them myself for editing in my digital darkroom. That is, if I 
decide to shoot film instead of digital -- which isn't too likely to happen 
these days.



take care,
Glen



Re: New Poll -- Favorite film (was -- Shoot now, focus later)

2005-11-25 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 We're past due for a new poll, aren't' we?  So what's your favorite
 film, and why?  Give us details, such as which films you use for what
 subjects.  Or do you use certain films with certain lenses or cameras?

Kodak Elite Color 200 (ex Supra): the finest grain I've ever seen with a
colour negative film. Scans great, too. Incredible shadow detail. Pity
they don't make it as rollfilm.

Agfa Optima 200: my favourite rollfilm for industrial night shots. Needs
far less tweaking after scanning than Kodak Portra. 

Kodak Portra 160VC: great general-purpose medium-format film. Finer
grain that the Optima. Yes, I do prefer the VC over the NC. If I find
there is too much saturation I can always reduce it after scanning,
without an increase in noise. Cranking up the saturation from an NC scan
will inevitably lead to higher noise. 

Konica 750IR: while stocks last. Still keeping a bunch of it in the
freezer. 

Ralf

-- 
Ralf R. Radermacher  -  DL9KCG  -  Köln/Cologne, Germany
private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de
manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005
Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses



Re: Happy Thanksgiving, you'all...

2005-11-25 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis

On Fri, 25 Nov 2005, William Robb wrote:


http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~herbertj/movies/WizardsofWinter-SM.wmv


My wishes too. Is the above typical Thanksgiving?

Kostas (it looked pretty Christmasy to me :-)



Re: PESO: my favourite hell-hole

2005-11-25 Thread danilo
I like it!
I have to say I usually like industrial pics, and nightshots.
This one is both, I _have_ to like it! lol

I can't argue on metering, since my monitor is far-far away from a
well calibrated one (I'm at work, now), but it seems ok to me, and I
can barely see any distorsion (and just because you named it)

maybe posing the landline a little more to the bottom would have
improved it, IMO, but then prospective distorsion is what you'd get,
probably, expecially with the horrible distorted lens you have (lol)


cheers,
Danilo.



Re: Shoot now, focus later

2005-11-25 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis

On Thu, 24 Nov 2005, Herb Chong wrote:


as Rob said it earlier, $600, not $6K.


Well I tried to find the notebook he was talking about in the UK and 
the model is NA. Perhaps if I knew the spec I could judge. The 
cheapest Compaq I found in my quick search was 450 GBP (800 USD?).


http://www.technoworld.com/productdisplay.asp?ProductID=27993

If its monitor is like my Dell D500, it's pointless.


if that is a hardship, should you be shooting anything?


That's awful Herb.

Kostas



Re: DS Remote switch from Shanghai

2005-11-25 Thread Leon Altoff

Derby,

Thanks for the picture.

The double cable release for the bellows handles the timing.  It first 
closes down the lens  and then triggers the shutter.  This is handy for 
depth of field preview before actually taking the picture.


All I need is the ability to be able to screw the release in and it 
activate the switch, which looking at the picture might be possible if I 
can tap a thread into the middle of the button.  Can you tell me how 
thick the actual button is?


 Leon

http://www.bluering.org.au
http://www.bluering.org.au/leon


Derby Chang wrote:

Hi Leon,

Do you mean having the remote mechanically trigger a cable release to 
your bellows lens at the same time as electronically triggering the 
D/DS? I don't think so. I took mine apart and this is what it looks like:


http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/temp/IMGP2951.JPG (sorry about the 
quality of the pic - I've had some wine).


There isn't much travel on the switch on the remote. You need a good 
deal for a mechanical cable release.


D



Leon Altoff wrote:


Hi Derby,

I would like to find a remote that I can screw in an old manual 
release into so that I can use it with my bellows.  I made one about 5 
years ago, but couldn't find a neat box to use for the switch.  Do you 
think there is any chance of modifying the one you have to accept a 
manual release?


 Leon

http://www.bluering.org.au
http://www.bluering.org.au/leon


Derby Chang wrote:



I know that the bits to make a remote switch for the DS can probably 
be had for about 5 bucks (or more or less free if you work in a 
company that makes electronic devices, like I do). I had thought 
about making an adapter for the Cable Switch F so I can use it on 
either the DS or the PZ1. Not that I'm likely to be using the PZ1 
much anymore. But I do like a well made cable - that won't come from me.


These guys are selling remote switches on ebay for $AU20 (plus 
shipping).
http://www.novaphotography.biz/home.htm (the website only shows the 
Canon version, but look on ebay for the Pentax).


Mine arrived today. Much larger than the Pentax CS-205, but that's a 
plus for me. I hate fiddling around for a small switch, especially 
when I'm shooting night shots. Like the Pentax, it is a combo switch 
and slider lock, which is much nicer than the Cable Switch F 
two-finger action. The cable is twice as long as the CS-205.













Re: Help required from a USA lister

2005-11-25 Thread keith_w

Ann Sanfedele wrote:

[...]


drat I knew I should have been reading the list
earlier :)

achoo - annsan home with a cold


A cold what?   g

keith



Re: Shoot now, focus later

2005-11-25 Thread keith_w

graywolf wrote:


Your wish is my command.

http://www.graywolfphoto.com/digital/_images/lathe.jpg

I am in the processing of researching and documenting it. It will 
probably wind up as a display, as I am waiting for a newer one to use 
that I also bought on ebay. This one is smaller than the ones made more 
recently and required accessories are hard to find.


http://www.graywolfphoto.com/digital/_images/lathe-size.jpg

graywolf


Does it use a drawbar and collets?
Seems a _lot_ of accessories are needed.
Really neat!

keith



Re: DS Remote switch from Shanghai

2005-11-25 Thread danilo
Ouch!!

I bought the canon one, I costs 30+ Euros, sh!7

danilo



Re: Shoot now, focus later

2005-11-25 Thread keith_w

Herb Chong wrote:

as Rob said it earlier, $600, not $6K. if that is a hardship, should you 
be shooting anything?


Herb...


Now, THAT's an irrational and elitist statement if I ever heard of one!

keith


- Original Message - From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: Shoot now, focus later


It may come as a surprise to you, Herb, but some folks simply do not 
have the up front money to pay now. It is cheaper for a lot of us to 
pay bit by bit even if it costs us twice as much in the long run. An I 
believe Frank is like me in that he no longer believes in credit cards.




For sale friday

2005-11-25 Thread Lucas Rijnders

Hi all,

Some odds, ends and lenses I don't need anymore.

Original Asahi Pentax reverse adapter ø49, in original box. € 15,00

Extension tube set, consisting of a front and back part with 'male' and  
'female' K-mounts and two intermediate rings. All parts screw together.  
This set-up allows for four different extension lengths. € 20,00


SMC Pentax-FA 70-200 1:4-5,6 + skylight 49mm, both caps. It's the  
powerzoom version of the lens. I am the first owner since may 2000. It is  
in flawless condition. I'm only selling it because, after carefull  
comparison, I decided I prefer the F70-210. When shooting the two lenses  
normally side-by-side, I can hardy distinguish them. € 75,00


Sigma Mini zoom macro 28-80mm 1:3,5-5,6 Aspherical + both caps. Autofocus,  
1:2 macro mode at 70mmm. I am the first owner since november 1997. Used,  
but in good condition. This is the one Don likes a lot :o) €25,00


SMC Pentax-FA 28-70 1:4 AL (broken) + both caps. Very loose lens-front.  
The way it moves suggests that the outer and inner barrels are connected  
by three lugs, and that one of these has broken off. Sometimes the lens  
jams when zooming or focussing. I always managed to gently get it  
unjammed, but it suggests something is on the move inside the lens. Could  
very well be the said lug :/
Optically, it is fine. No dust, scratches, fungus or element seperation as  
far as I can see. Although it still takes o.k. photos, I think it would  
mainly be usefull as a parts donor for a lens that does suffer from the  
dreaded element separation. € 40,00


MZ-50 + manual (German), original Pentax strap (the one with the little  
pockets) and a bodycap. Nice and light camera, in good condition. € 75,00


Russian 'Leningrad 4' lightmeter, in box, with manual. The needle does  
move, but I can't seem to get it to work reliably. Your price is mine :-)


2x rechargeable 2CR5 with charger. Sadly, a Z-1 won't work on these  
batteries, as the voltage is too high. Will probably work on more modern  
devices. € 30,00


The caps mentioned are not neccessarily the original pentax ones. Mail me  
for photos if you're interested in an item.


Prices are, of course, open for negotiation. The items will be well-packed  
and shipped worldwide, at the actual cost (see www.tpgpost.nl for  
tariffs). Payment preferrably by paypal (worldwide) or bank transfer (EU).  
Cashing cheques involves considerable cost (about €20,-) that I will pass  
on to the buyer. Moneyorders appear to be free to the recipient, but some  
are cumbersome to cash.


--
Regards, Lucas



Re: PESO Experimental Pano

2005-11-25 Thread David Savage
That looks familiar. I like the Google Earth hotspot.

Your next camera needs GPS.

Dave

On 11/25/05, Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Enough talk, time for another Pano PESO, this one is a bit of an experiment
 however. I hope I don't offend too many people but it's in Apple QTVR format
 (MOV) so if you can't view these standalone or in an enabled Browser then you
 might have to pass. Also it also contains a Google Earth link which shows
 exactly from where the shot was made.

 http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/pano084.mov (~880kB)

 Tech: *ist D, ISO200, 1/800s A16/2.8 @ f8 (8 landscape shots)

 Thumbnail images stitched using Hugin/Enblend and converted to QTVR using
 Pano2QTVR.

 Feedback would be appreciated.

 Cheers,


 Rob Studdert
 HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
 Tel +61-2-9554-4110
 UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
 Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998





Re: Happy Thanksgiving, you'all...

2005-11-25 Thread David Savage
LOL.

That is so cool.

Dave

On 11/25/05, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~herbertj/movies/WizardsofWinter-SM.wmv

 Live well.

 William Robb





Re: Shoot now, focus later

2005-11-25 Thread Tom Reese
Rob Studdert wrote:

 I have two main concerns/observations WRT to this type of competition 
 photography, first I believe it tends to artificially unify photographers 
 perspectives of what makes a good image.

That's an interesting idea and I think there would be some truth in it if the 
same people always judged the competitions. The judging panel is never the same 
in the competitions I've seen or entered. Different judges have different 
opinions.

There are certainly trends in photography as in all of art. I think the leaders 
in the field are driving those trends not the judges in competitions. John Shaw 
and Galen Rowell have been enormous influences in nature photography.

 And secondly I have never found those 
 in competition to be willing at all to share techniques/locations etc, it's 
 all 
 a big secret with the potential to loose competition points if too much 
 information is given up to the enemy.

I think that's really bizarre. There just aren't that many secrets to be kept 
in photography.  I've never met any photographer who wouldn't happily discuss 
technique and location. That's part of the fun IMO. I can see the need to keep 
a location secret when it comes to protecting a rare species.

 I don't participate in club competitions 
 though I do still visit occasionally, there are some excellent photographers 
 there but few of the really good ones compete regularly.

Some people like to compete and some don't. shrug

Tom Reese


 
 http://groups.msn.com/stgeorgephotographicsociety
 
  Nature photography does indeed make you aware of how intrusive man has 
  become 
 in
  the natural world. 
 
 Yes, I have a photographer friend who is very aware of the local botany and 
 he 
 often blows away my notions of untouched wilderness by identifying weeds and 
 plants not endemic to the locale.
 
 
 Rob Studdert
 HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
 Tel +61-2-9554-4110
 UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
 Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
 




Re: Happy Holiday

2005-11-25 Thread Bob Sullivan
John,
That's positively un'merican!
We'll have to get somebody with meals on wheels to drop by.
Regards,  Bob S.  ;-)

On 11/24/05, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu, Nov 24, 2005 at 01:49:31PM -0600, Don Sanderson wrote:
  Don't pay any attention to Tom, eat all you want! VVBG
  I made plenty, let me know if you run out.

 Unusually for us, we won't be doing anything this year
 (in fact dinner looks like a baked potato with fixings).

 We're spending the long weekend taking up the old, stained
 hardwood floor in our living room, and replacing it with a
 new floor (maple, this time, rather than oak).
 That's more than enough work to keep us busy; finding time
 to cook as well just wasn't going to happen (in fact I'm
 not sure we'll manage to complete the task in four days).

 Still, with a UK upbringing we're still not too tied to
 these odd colonial festivals :-)  We usually pull out the
 stops for Christmas, which is when we'll do our turkey.





Re: Shoot now, focus later

2005-11-25 Thread Mark Roberts
William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

From: Paul Stenquist

 I'm no artist, but I like working in PhotoShop g. Lots of fun. I don't 
 feel like I'm doing anything much different than what I did in the 
 darkroom, except that I have a lot more control.

It's a different set of skills, and it is a more democratic one.
It's more likely now that if you can imagine it, you can put it on paper.
Some of the things that can be done easily and routinely in Photoshop are 
incredibly time consuming, and require far more patience and skill to 
acomplish when one is working with a conventional photographic process

Ever do an unsharp mask in the darkroom? Me neither, but I've seen
prints done that way.
 
 
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Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: Shoot now, focus later

2005-11-25 Thread Mark Roberts
Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Nov 24, 2005, at 1:48 PM, Tom Reese wrote:

 I have a different opinion. Manipulated images are fake and I think  
 it's wrong to deceive the viewer. I don't want to start another  
 argument. It's a difference of opinion and we've already covered  
 this ground in previous threads.

Define what you mean by manipulated image.

I'd be more interested in what is meant by deceiving the viewer. Some
have complained that Ansel Adams' wasn't truthful because of all the
darkroom manipulation he did. They were mistaken because of a
fundamental misunderstanding: Adams wasn't trying to convey what he
*saw* in his photographs, he was trying to express what he *felt* when
looking at the scene. His works were less deceptive than straight prints
would have been.
 
An unmanipulated image is not inherently better (or worse) than a
manipulated one than any more than a non-fiction piece of writing is
better than a novel or a poem.
 
 
-- 
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Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: New Poll -- Favorite film (was -- Shoot now, focus later)

2005-11-25 Thread frank theriault
On 11/24/05, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Amen!



 We're past due for a new poll, aren't' we?  So what's your favorite
 film, and why?  snip

Roman Holiday.  Because Audrey Hepburn was gorgeous, and there was
real chemistry between her and Gregory Peck.  The location shooting in
Rome was pretty cool, too.

cheers,
frank
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Re: New Poll -- Favorite film (was -- Shoot now, focus later)

2005-11-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Nov 25, 2005, at 12:30 AM, Cotty wrote:


My favourite film is a roll of FP4 that's sitting (exposed) in the
bottom of my desk drawer. It's been there for some years and I have
absolutely no idea what's on it. Since I stopped shooting film about 2
years ago (a year into digital for me) it has bee pleading with me to
develop it, but I am a cruel master. Occasionally I open the drawer  
and

taunt it with a bottle of Ilfosol S.

It must beg.


Its spiritual sibling, a roll of Minox format APX25, resides in my  
drawer ... ;-)


That's my favorite film, BTW.

Godfrey



Re: New Poll -- Favorite film

2005-11-25 Thread Bob Shell

My favorite film is the one that's right for the subject at hand.

For color in the studio or bright light outdoors it's Fuji Astia  
100.  I would have included Agfa RSX 100, but it won't be available  
after the end of this year.  These two produce the most neutral and  
accurate colors of all chrome films.


For black and white in the studio or outdoors in bright light it's  
Ilford Delta 100.  Exceptionally good tonal range and very forgiving  
of exposure and development variations.  For available light indoors  
or outdoors when it is really dim, it's Ilford Delta 3200.   
Remarkably good film for something that fast.


These days most of my shooting is digital, but I still pick up my  
Leica M3, Hexar RF or Bessa T now and then and run some film through  
it.  At my current rate of use I expect to use up all of the film in  
my freezer in about ten years!


BTW, anybody here still shooting 4 X 5 film?  I have a bunch of it in  
my freezer and really ought to free up the space for some food.


Bob




Re: PEOW: RiverBoy

2005-11-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi


On Nov 25, 2005, at 12:00 AM, John Taylor wrote:


http://i.pbase.com/o4/87/63987/1/52723043.DariusRiver.jpg


Jay, That's great just as it is! Caught that moment *right*!

Godfrey



Re: Happy Thanksgiving, you'all...

2005-11-25 Thread Bob Shell
I don't know who did the video, which is pretty neat, but the music  
is from one of my favorite groups, the Trans Siberian Orchestra.  If  
you have never listened to any of their holiday albums you're really  
missing something!!  Most of their stuff is available on  iTunes.


Bob


On Nov 25, 2005, at 7:16 AM, David Savage wrote:


LOL.

That is so cool.

Dave

On 11/25/05, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~herbertj/movies/WizardsofWinter-SM.wmv

Live well.

William Robb




Re: Shoot now, focus later

2005-11-25 Thread Paul Stenquist
Well, you'll get there. It'll just take time. I stored my darkroom in 
boxes in 1980 when I moved from Chicago to New Jersey. I never set it 
up in Jersey because I didn't have a basement. Moved to Michigan in 
1992. Finally got around to putting the darkroom back together sometime 
around 1998. It's quite nice now with one enlarger for MF and one for 
35mm, with Schneider and Nikon lenses respectively. I bought a nice 
Schneider lens for 4x5 as well -- a 135 I believe. But I'm still 
missing the correct mounting plate. I do want to make some prints from 
4x5 one of these days. I can go to 16 x 20 with my current setup and 
have done so with MF negs. That's a lot of fun. 4x5 printing should be 
a real trip.

Paul
On Nov 25, 2005, at 1:07 AM, William Robb wrote:



- Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist
Subject: Re: Shoot now, focus later


You're still allowed to have a darkroom. There's no law that says a 
digital shooter can't do some film work. Do you still have your 
darkroom equipment? Set it up and get to work.


Get all the stuff I have stored in the basement into rented offsite 
storage, use the space I am creating to set up a woodworking shop so 
that I can complete a few projects (bathroom cabinetry, etc) upstairs, 
then get all those tools into storage and completely gut my basement 
and deal with the mold problem that has developed since we had the 
roof off the place in 2003 and it got rained on several times.

After that, I can start to think of a new darkroom.
In the meantime, I have two bathroom gut and rebuild projects coming 
up, plus I will most likely be changing careers, more than likely 
going to work as an overhead door installer (excellent money, hard 
work).


I'm hoping that my darkroom will happen within the next year.
Last winter, I bought myself a baby blue Beseler 45 Dichroic, a host 
of Nikkor enlarging lenses, and several boxes of miscellaneous brick 
brac that I would like to use.


William Robb





Re: Flash Primer

2005-11-25 Thread Vic Mortelmans
It's nice to see the results of different flash systems next to each 
other to compare.


What I think is strange, is that the child's eyes are not filled with 
fear in the 'better' pictures, imagining the looks of the photographer's 
equipment at that phase...



Groeten,

Vic

Cotty wrote:

This page recently came to my attention, nice little portrait flash primer:

http://www.qtm.com/WebPhotoSchool/Sh
ooting_Great_Portraits_with_Portable_Strobes/index.html

HTH




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: For sale friday

2005-11-25 Thread Don Williams
What is the diameter of the threads on 
the tubes. Outside diameter will do.
It it 42 mm? Does the K mount go in and 
out of the camera without the need to 
mess about with a recessed spring? In 
other words does it release with the 
camera button?


Don


Extension tube set, consisting of a front and back part with 'male' and 
'female' K-mounts and two intermediate rings. All parts screw together. 
This set-up allows for four different extension lengths. € 20,00




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Re: Shoot now, focus later

2005-11-25 Thread Glen

At 01:35 AM 11/25/2005, Ann Sanfedele wrote:



 FWIW, your picture wouldn't qualify as a nature print in our club and 
interclub competitions.


And even with digital, a nature stock agency won't
take manipulated stuff... at least mine won't.


If all that was done, was to remove a single vapor trail from an otherwise 
perfect sky, how on earth will the stock agency, or anyone else for that 
matter, ever know about the retouching? Even if they did know, I don't see 
why they would care at all. (This is assuming a flawless retouching job was 
done.)



take care,
Glen



Re: PEOW: RiverBoy

2005-11-25 Thread Paul Stenquist

Very nice. Interesting composition. Good stuff.
Paul
On Nov 25, 2005, at 3:00 AM, John Taylor wrote:

I've not posted much in a while so I thought I would put this one out 
there. My FA 50 f1.4 has been seriously underutilized and the sun 
hasn't been out in a while here in the Pacific Northwest. But I 
happened to catch another  snap of my grandson during a brief outing 
to the Snoqualmie River last weekend. Comment appreciated as always. 
Thanks for looking.


Jay
http://i.pbase.com/o4/87/63987/1/52723043.DariusRiver.jpg





Re: pentax-discuss-d Digest V05 #2984

2005-11-25 Thread Dave Kennedy
Whew.  Thanx for the clarification.

Last week I saw a Tamron 90 Macro on one of the used camera web sites
(in Canada), that I check from time-to-time. I remember thinking Wow,
that's a good deal.  It's gone now.

dk

On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:18:57 US/Eastern, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Dave.

 Sorry, must of had a typo in my reply.
 NO problems with Henrys ebay check out system. Sorry for any heart 
 failures.g

 I have seen what the FA and Tamron has produced, so i'd like to stay with one 
 of those.
 Its just a rarly
 see the Tamron. But i dont look at ebay every day, so i might miss one here 
 and there.
 I would be interested as well in the Sigma performance.

 Dave

 You've had problems with the Henry's checkout
 system? I've bought
  several things through there, and haven't had a problem yet.  Do you
  know the problem is due to using the Henry's checkout?
 
  I see that Henrys has a Sigma 105/2.8 Macro EX.  Are you looking at
  that one as well, or are you limiting yourself to the FA100 or the
  Tamron 90 Macro? I guess I'm wondering how the Sigma performs.
 
  dk
 
  On 11/24/05, Dave Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Thanks for that link Godfrey. I had a quick look see just now. When i saw 
   they
 accepted
 CC's i went oh no, but they use a system similar to Henrys indipendent check 
 out which i
 have had now problems with.ie no mystery shoppers using my card.g
  
   Now, fisheye first or macro.
   My head hurts
  
  
   David J Brooks
   Equine Photography in York Region
   www.caughtinmotion.com
   Pentax istD, Nikon Friggin D2H
  
  
 








Re: PEOW: RiverBoy

2005-11-25 Thread Dave Kennedy
You can feel his excitment, just looking at it. Good capture.

dk

On 11/25/05, John Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've not posted much in a while so I thought I would put this one out
 there. My FA 50 f1.4 has been seriously underutilized and the sun
 hasn't been out in a while here in the Pacific Northwest. But I
 happened to catch another  snap of my grandson during a brief outing
 to the Snoqualmie River last weekend. Comment appreciated as always.
 Thanks for looking.

 Jay
 http://i.pbase.com/o4/87/63987/1/52723043.DariusRiver.jpg





Re: For sale friday

2005-11-25 Thread Lucas Rijnders
Op Fri, 25 Nov 2005 14:32:13 +0100 schreef Don Williams  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:


What is the diameter of the threads on the tubes. Outside diameter will  
do. It it 42 mm?


No, far larger, about 60mm I guess. I'll check tonight.

Does the K mount go in and out of the camera without the need to mess  
about with a recessed spring? In other words does it release with the  
camera button?


Yes, they mount and unmount like a normal K-mount lens would.

Extension tube set, consisting of a front and back part with 'male' and  
'female' K-mounts and two intermediate rings. All parts screw together.  
This set-up allows for four different extension lengths. € 20,00


--
Regards, Lucas



Re: Flash Primer

2005-11-25 Thread Lucas Rijnders
Op Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:34:00 +0100 schreef Vic Mortelmans  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:


It's nice to see the results of different flash systems next to each  
other to compare.


What I think is strange, is that the child's eyes are not filled with  
fear in the 'better' pictures, imagining the looks of the photographer's  
equipment at that phase...


grin I noticed he started with 'the unexpected movements of an energetic  
child' and ended up tying poor Aidan down in his chair ;-)
I know I wouldn't want to chase a loose 10-month old with that setup.  
Still, a good read.



Cotty wrote:
This page recently came to my attention, nice little portrait flash  
primer:

 http://www.qtm.com/WebPhotoSchool/Sh
ooting_Great_Portraits_with_Portable_Strobes/index.html


--
Regards, Lucas (father of an 11-month old)



Re: PESO (s) Thanksgiving.

2005-11-25 Thread E.R.N. Reed

P. J. Alling wrote:

Just a couple of shots from today, from the traditional family get 
together...


http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_drama.html


That one had me laughing -- my little girl's a dramatic sort too!
I think the tilt is a vital part of the picture.



http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_notdinner.html


Shows off the camouflage well.



Re: PEOW: RiverBoy

2005-11-25 Thread E.R.N. Reed

John Taylor wrote:

I've not posted much in a while so I thought I would put this one out  
there. My FA 50 f1.4 has been seriously underutilized and the sun  
hasn't been out in a while here in the Pacific Northwest. But I  
happened to catch another  snap of my grandson during a brief outing  
to the Snoqualmie River last weekend. Comment appreciated as always.  
Thanks for looking.


Jay
http://i.pbase.com/o4/87/63987/1/52723043.DariusRiver.jpg




OH!
Oh WOW!
The lighting ... The expression ... The composition ... The selective 
focus 

Oh, man, this is perfect!

ERN



Re: PEOW: RiverBoy

2005-11-25 Thread Mark Roberts
E.R.N. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

John Taylor wrote:

 http://i.pbase.com/o4/87/63987/1/52723043.DariusRiver.jpg

OH!
Oh WOW!
The lighting ... The expression ... The composition ... The selective 
focus 
Oh, man, this is perfect!

I don't know how I missed the original post but I'm glad I caught the
followups. I agree totally. This is a stunner.
 
 
-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: New Poll -- Favorite film (was -- Shoot now, focus later)

2005-11-25 Thread P. J. Alling

You're a cruel man...

Cotty wrote:


On 24/11/05, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed:

 


We're past due for a new poll, aren't' we?  So what's your favorite
film, and why?  Give us details, such as which films you use for what
subjects.  Or do you use certain films with certain lenses or cameras?
   



My favourite film is a roll of FP4 that's sitting (exposed) in the
bottom of my desk drawer. It's been there for some years and I have
absolutely no idea what's on it. Since I stopped shooting film about 2
years ago (a year into digital for me) it has bee pleading with me to
develop it, but I am a cruel master. Occasionally I open the drawer and
taunt it with a bottle of Ilfosol S.

It must beg.




Cheers,
 Cotty


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Re: For sale friday

2005-11-25 Thread Don Williams
That would make the barrels about the 
same diameter as the outside of the mount?


Don

Lucas Rijnders wrote:
Op Fri, 25 Nov 2005 14:32:13 +0100 schreef Don Williams 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:


What is the diameter of the threads on the tubes. Outside diameter 
will do. It it 42 mm?


No, far larger, about 60mm I guess. I'll check tonight.

Does the K mount go in and out of the camera without the need to mess 
about with a recessed spring? In other words does it release with the 
camera button?


Yes, they mount and unmount like a normal K-mount lens would.

Extension tube set, consisting of a front and back part with 'male' 
and 'female' K-mounts and two intermediate rings. All parts screw 
together. This set-up allows for four different extension lengths. € 
20,00


--
Regards, Lucas



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Re: New Poll -- Favorite film (was -- Shoot now, focus later)

2005-11-25 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: Cotty 
Subject: Re: New Poll -- Favorite film (was -- Shoot now, focus later)





My favourite film is a roll of FP4 that's sitting (exposed) in the
bottom of my desk drawer. It's been there for some years and I have
absolutely no idea what's on it. Since I stopped shooting film about 2
years ago (a year into digital for me) it has bee pleading with me to
develop it, but I am a cruel master. Occasionally I open the drawer and
taunt it with a bottle of Ilfosol S.

It must beg.


At some point, it will be age damaged enough to have the last laugh.

William Robb



Re: New Poll -- Favorite film (was -- Shoot now, focus later)

2005-11-25 Thread Mark Roberts
frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 11/24/05, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Amen!

 We're past due for a new poll, aren't' we?  So what's your favorite
 film, and why?  snip

Roman Holiday.  Because Audrey Hepburn was gorgeous, and there was
real chemistry between her and Gregory Peck.  The location shooting in
Rome was pretty cool, too.

sigh
Someone slap Frank for me, OK?
 
(I was going to give soap bubbles as my answer...)
 
 
-- 
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Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: Shoot now, focus later

2005-11-25 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: Mark Roberts

Subject: Re: Shoot now, focus later




Ever do an unsharp mask in the darkroom? Me neither, but I've seen
prints done that way.


Actually, I have.
Sadly, Kodak deleted Pan Masking Film, and I don't know if there is 
something suitable out there as a replacement.


William Robb 





Re: Shoot now, focus later

2005-11-25 Thread Bob Shell


On Nov 25, 2005, at 9:54 AM, William Robb wrote:


Ever do an unsharp mask in the darkroom? Me neither, but I've seen
prints done that way.


Actually, I have.
Sadly, Kodak deleted Pan Masking Film, and I don't know if there is  
something suitable out there as a replacement.



I still have this weird gadget I picked up years ago.  It is a piece  
of glass about 2 X 2 inches.  It is made of the same stuff as those  
eyeglasses that darken when you go out in the sun.  You tape your  
original to it, and zap it a few times with an electronic flash, and  
it makes a mask.  It actually works really well.  Of course you have  
to figure out a way to make the sandwich fit in your negative  
carrier.  I used to use it when printing Cibachrome from contrasty  
slides.  I think it is called Minute Mask or something like that.   
It was much easier to use than Pan Masking Film.


Bob



Optical formula for 'beautifying' lenses

2005-11-25 Thread Bob W
We've all been there:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4468884.stm

Bob



Re: For sale friday

2005-11-25 Thread Lucas Rijnders

Op Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:51:35 +0100 schreef Don Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

That would make the barrels about the same diameter as the outside of  
the mount?


Aproximately, yes.

What is the diameter of the threads on the tubes. Outside diameter  
will do. It it 42 mm?



 No, far larger, about 60mm I guess. I'll check tonight.


Does the K mount go in and out of the camera without the need to mess  
about with a recessed spring? In other words does it release with the  
camera button?



 Yes, they mount and unmount like a normal K-mount lens would.


Extension tube set, consisting of a front and back part with 'male'  
and 'female' K-mounts and two intermediate rings. All parts screw  
together. This set-up allows for four different extension lengths. €  
20,00


--
Regards, Lucas



Re: Shoot now, focus later

2005-11-25 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: Bob Shell 
Subject: Re: Shoot now, focus later




I think it is called Minute Mask or something like that.   

It was much easier to use than Pan Masking Film.


I always wondered how well those things worked

William Robb



Re: Shoot now, focus later

2005-11-25 Thread Bob Shell


On Nov 25, 2005, at 10:24 AM, William Robb wrote:


I think it is called Minute Mask or something like that.

It was much easier to use than Pan Masking Film.


I always wondered how well those things worked




Wanna buy mine and find out???  ;-)

Bob



Re: Shoot now, focus later

2005-11-25 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: Bob Shell 
Subject: Re: Shoot now, focus later






Wanna buy mine and find out???  ;-)


Check back with me after I have a darkroom again

William Robb




Re: PESO: from Cottyland

2005-11-25 Thread Rick Womer
Thanks for all the comments!

It is no coincidence that Tolkein lived and wrote in
Oxfordshire!

I have not ventured yet into the arcane world of
curves in PE2, but I may do so for this pic!  Powell
got much better results with the eyedropper on the
jpg than I got using it on the tif, which is a
head-scratcher...

Cheers,

Rick

--- Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi!
 
  I took this in Faringdon, a small market town in
  Oxfordshire, UK, during a visit there about 2
 years
  ago.  
  
 
 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3902783
  
  Getting the scan to resemble the slide has been
 rather
  testing, and I still don't have the rich
 brownish-red
  of the bricks or the completely neutral grey of
 the
  stone where I want them, even with an hour of
 diddling
  in PSE2.  
  
  PZ-1p,  FA 50/1.7, exposure not recorded, Elite
 Chrome
  100.  Scanned as uncompressed tiff, adjusted in
 PSE2.
  
  Plaudits and brickbats appreciated.
 
 Apart from pink/magenta cast it is wonderful...
 Indeed one starts 
 thinking of Hobbits at once...
 
 Boris
 
 





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Re: New Poll -- Favorite film (was -- Shoot now, focus later)

2005-11-25 Thread Toralf Lund



On 11/24/05, Tom Reese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 


I tend to ignore digital threads. There doesn't seem to be much else on this 
list lately.

   



Amen!



We're past due for a new poll, aren't' we?  So what's your favorite
film, and why?

Hmmm... I think my favourite colour film right now is the new Kodak 
Elite Colour 400UC that I started using a little while back, but I've 
only shot about three rolls of it... I rather like it's colour 
rendering, and it seems to have quite fine grain for ISO400 - which is 
what I mostly use because it seems to be too dark for slower films in 
most of the situations I'm taking pictures. I'm not sure if this is 
really a new film, by-the-way; it seems to be a replacement for Royal 
Supra or something, and I wouldn't know if anything except the name was 
actually updated.


For BW, I'd probably go for the FP4 or HP5... No wait, make that an 
APX100 with expiry date in 2001. Someone gave 8 or 9 of these to me 
(i.e. a pack of 10 where only 1 or 2 was used) a while back. I've shot 
and developed 5 rolls so far, and I'm not able to find any obvious 
differences from films that are not out of date...


- T



Re: New Poll -- Favorite film (was -- Shoot now, focus later)

2005-11-25 Thread frank theriault
On 11/24/05, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Amen!



 We're past due for a new poll, aren't' we?  So what's your favorite
 film, and why?  Give us details, such as which films you use for what
 subjects.  Or do you use certain films with certain lenses or cameras?
  Etc.

Okay, seriously:

Tri-X.

I like the look, especially in my Leica.  There's just something about
that film with my (only Leica lens) 40mm Summicron C:  it's nicely
contrasty, a bit of grain (but not too much), but still sharp (believe
it or not).  It's just got a look.

Of course, I like it with my other lenses as well.

I also like that it's steeped in tradition, that it has a history.  I
don't know why that should matter, but it does.

It's so freaking flexible.  I can push it to 1600 if I have to, and
get acceptable results (it's not my first choice if I need 1600 film,
but sometimes in a pinch, it's all I have).  I haven't tried it, but
I've heard it's quite nice exposed at 320 (apparently HCB did that
quite often) or 200, as well.

One of the great (if not the greatest) films of all time, IMHO.

cheers,
frank


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Re: PEOW: RiverBoy

2005-11-25 Thread Jack Davis
John,
I, very much, agree with your chosen composition.
Beautiful image!
Put it away with other treasures.

Jack

--- John Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've not posted much in a while so I thought I would put this one out
  
 there. My FA 50 f1.4 has been seriously underutilized and the sun  
 hasn't been out in a while here in the Pacific Northwest. But I  
 happened to catch another  snap of my grandson during a brief outing 
 
 to the Snoqualmie River last weekend. Comment appreciated as always. 
 
 Thanks for looking.
 
 Jay
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Re: Shoot now, focus later

2005-11-25 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Glen wrote:
 
 At 01:35 AM 11/25/2005, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
 
  
   FWIW, your picture wouldn't qualify as a nature print in our club and
  interclub competitions.
 
 And even with digital, a nature stock agency won't
 take manipulated stuff... at least mine won't.
 
 If all that was done, was to remove a single vapor trail from an otherwise
 perfect sky, how on earth will the stock agency, or anyone else for that
 matter, ever know about the retouching? Even if they did know, I don't see
 why they would care at all. (This is assuming a flawless retouching job was
 done.)
 
 take care,
 Glen

Well I'm not thinking so much about a jet trail in
the sky when I'm talking about
stuff for a nature stock agency that sells a lot
of stuff to Scientific publications.
I will say that I think (maybe I'm wrong) that
anyone who is really photoshop savvy
(not me) can probably instantly tell if something
has been cleaned up extensively.

It isn't that working on images in photoshop is
inherently evil, just that it is
more interesting and impressive if you know what
you are looking at hasn't been worked over
in either the darkroom or photoshop.

Otoh, I do like to play in photoshop and do
totally abstract stuff and such, making 
entirely different things out of what started as a
photo or a scanned piece of fabric
or the like.  I'm not very good at it, but I think
it is fun, much as I thought it was
fun to make paper negs in the darkroom and
solarize stuff even played with double exposures
and such - but it is all like a tour de force of
technique
and not much to do with substance.  

I want to capture what I saw and point to it with
my prints or jpgs, so there is no joy
in it for me if I were to be out in the field
shooting and thinking well, I wish that
guy in the red jacket wasn't there but, oh hell, I
can take him out in photoshop.

What I do like about the computer is the priints i
get from just my old 820 Epson in
color and the way the color stuff of mine I like
the best looks on the screen.  

I don't think the medium is the message, and
someone mentioned that what mattered was
the skill or talent or whathaveyou of the
photographer, not whether or not that person
is shooting digital, using a toss away camera,
shooting with a large format or a polaroid sx-70.

so there :)
ann



Re: test

2005-11-25 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Hey, Bill - you get an A on your test !

welcome back, 

annsan



Re: New Poll -- Favorite film (was -- Shoot now, focus later)

2005-11-25 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis

On Fri, 25 Nov 2005, frank theriault wrote:


but sometimes in a pinch, it's all I have).  I haven't tried it, but
I've heard it's quite nice exposed at 320 (apparently HCB did that
quite often) or 200, as well.


(in both cases) With or without pulling? 320 but processed as 400 is 
just 1/3 overexposure, to lighten the mood. I (used to) do it with 
colour film.


I also like Tri-X; I push it to 800 for my indoor, available (?) light 
piccies of the kids.


For colour, as I have said many times, I struggle to discern between 
Superia 400 and Centuria Super 400; I occasionally use Reala in the 
summer, but in general there is just not enough light in Scotland. I 
have discounted Supra in the past (found it too orange), but I liked 
the one UC I shot last month; need to assess if it's worth the extra 
money. The one roll of NPH (or was it NPS) I shot I found too green.


As I usually print small and for me and the family, colour is my only 
interest; not that I know enough to discern contrast or such-like.


Kostas



Bailey's new book

2005-11-25 Thread Bob W
Hi,

I had a quick look through Bailey's new book today. Interesting stuff, good
portraits.

Here's an interview with him, featuring a shoot with Jane Bown:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/features/story/0,11710,1646031,00.html

Regards,

Bob



RE: Bailey's new book

2005-11-25 Thread Bob W
Here are some of the pictures:

http://www.outofrange.net/blogarchive/archives/003569.html

--
Cheers,
 Bob 

 -Original Message-
 From: Bob W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 25 November 2005 16:32
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Bailey's new book
 
 Hi,
 
 I had a quick look through Bailey's new book today. 
 Interesting stuff, good portraits.
 
 Here's an interview with him, featuring a shoot with Jane Bown:
 http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/features/story/0,11710,1646031,00.html
 
 Regards,
 
 Bob
 
 
 
 



Re: New Poll -- Favorite film (was -- Shoot now, focus later)

2005-11-25 Thread Mat Maessen
I usually expose my Tri-X at 200-250 or so. Gives me nice dense
negatives with plenty of shadow detail, and I have yet to have it
block up on highlights. I develop it in D76 1:1, and I get nice smooth
midtones. It's probably my favorite people film, though, depending
on the situation, I'll usually use something slower (PlusX, TMax 100)
for place or thing photography.

Too bad Kodak stopped making the polymax RC paper. I liked that,
especially with TriX. Usually had the contrast nailed without any
adjustments, unless I was pushing the film.

-Mat

On 11/25/05, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Okay, seriously:

 Tri-X.
...
 It's so freaking flexible.  I can push it to 1600 if I have to, and
 get acceptable results (it's not my first choice if I need 1600 film,
 but sometimes in a pinch, it's all I have).  I haven't tried it, but
 I've heard it's quite nice exposed at 320 (apparently HCB did that
 quite often) or 200, as well.



Re: PEOW: RiverBoy

2005-11-25 Thread frank theriault
On 11/25/05, John Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've not posted much in a while so I thought I would put this one out
 there. My FA 50 f1.4 has been seriously underutilized and the sun
 hasn't been out in a while here in the Pacific Northwest. But I
 happened to catch another  snap of my grandson during a brief outing
 to the Snoqualmie River last weekend. Comment appreciated as always.
 Thanks for looking.

 Jay
 http://i.pbase.com/o4/87/63987/1/52723043.DariusRiver.jpg

Emotion!

That's what makes a great photo.

Great photo.

-frank


--
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



PESO: Fisheye Fun

2005-11-25 Thread Powell Hargrave
There has been some discussion of the Zenitar 16mm fisheye so I thought I
would put up a few shots take with the ZX-5n.

It is much easier to use this lens on the DS with the 1.5 crop.  It is
really wide and bendy on full frame!

http://members.shaw.ca/hargravep/Image9.htm

Powell



Re: New Poll -- Favorite film (was -- Shoot now, focus later)

2005-11-25 Thread graywolf
Ansco Super Hypan. Unfortunately it hasn't been available for quite 
awhile, so maybe that should be What was my favorite film.


These days it is what ever I can get cheapest in the 100 speed range.

graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
Idiot Proof == Expert Proof
---



PESO - Queen St in the Snow

2005-11-25 Thread Adam Maas

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mawz/66670322/


*istD, Tamron 28-75 f2.8 XR Di

-Adam



Re: New Poll -- Favorite film (was -- Shoot now, focus later)

2005-11-25 Thread Bill Owens

Another ancient, discontinued favorite.

Agfachrome 64.

Bill



Re: Bailey's new book

2005-11-25 Thread Cotty
On 25/11/05, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

Hi,

I had a quick look through Bailey's new book today. Interesting stuff, good
portraits.

Here's an interview with him, featuring a shoot with Jane Bown:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/features/story/0,11710,1646031,00.html

Thanks Bob, nice read.




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: New Poll -- Favorite film (was -- Shoot now, focus later)

2005-11-25 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 11/24/2005 5:32:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
1. Velvia 50. Love those saturated colours!

3. Provia 400F. Low reciprocity failure and a lack of colour shift 
during long exposures makes it good for astronomy.

4. Provia 100F. For those times when Velvia is just too slow, though 
I will be switching to Velvia 100 when my current stock needs 
replenishing.

Ditto, 1, 3, 4. I don't shoot film at all anymore, but I liked Velvia for the 
colors. When shooting less green landscapes I used Provia 100 and when 
shooting animals I used Provia 400. Finally I ended up using just Provia 
(either 
speed) because, in the end, it scanned better.

Marnie aka Doe 



Re: Shoot now, focus later

2005-11-25 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 11/24/2005 4:51:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I've recently read Ansel Adams in Color.

The reason Ansel didn't like color photography was the lack of control 
he had over it. He would have LOVED Photoshop.

-Adam
===
Yes, I read that book also. And that was exactly my impression, too. He would 
have LOVED Photoshop.

Marnie aka Doe ;-)



PAW: a page from a calendar

2005-11-25 Thread Ann Sanfedele
100k file

working on a 59 photo engagement calendar.  doing
it in MS Word 97
(publisher sucks big time) 

here is a photo from my cross country trip in
august of 2002 - high-tailing
it to San Diego on the highway.  LX and 50mm f1.4 



http://users.rcn.com/annsan/rt10newmexico4paw.jpg

annsan feeling much better



Re: brief impressions of Pentax D FA Macro 100 F/2.8

2005-11-25 Thread Igor Roshchin


Thanks to everybody who responded. 
I have some further comments and questions.

 Joseph Tainter

 The poor autofocus performance in low light is not because of the lens. 
 It is because of the poor autofocus performance of Pentax DSLRs 
 (those produced so far) in low light. 

I am comparing its AF performance with other lenses attached to the same
DS body.
What I find about this D-FA is that almost always it makes at least 4
iterations of the motor (i.e. forward-backward-forward-backward)
before it locks the focus.
Even my Tamron 70-300 4-5.6 set at the focal length of 100mm
does not do this in the same light condition. And that is far inferior
lens. (Tokina ATX PRO 28-70/2.6-2.8 is even faster, but the focal
range is different, so it is not a fair comparison).



Herb, since you have this lens, - I was wondering if
your D-FA lens:
1) is also assembled in Vietnam (it is written at the bottom of the barrel)
2) the hood is also loose on the lense
3) does 4 runs when AFocusing in a relatively low light (say, 1/10-1/60
at 2.8 at ISO 100) even on subject with a good contrast?
 
Thank you,

Igor


 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 19:40:01 -0500
 From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: brief impressions of Pentax D FA Macro 100 F/2.8

 i have both the D-FA and FA 100/2.8 macros. for the work that i like to do, 
 the main factor in choosing the D-FA over the FA is whether i am going out 
 in the field and have to walk far or not. the FA is so much heavier that i 
 usually don't go outside with it. also, the manual focus override while in 
 AF mode makes for much more convenience in the field. i also like the lens 
 hood. so far, i haven't noticed any difference between them. if there was 
 more of a difference, i would choose the sharper one to carry, even if it 
 weighed more.

 Herb



Re: GESO: Weekend in Barcelona

2005-11-25 Thread Bob Sullivan
Great architecture.  What is it?
Regards,  Bob S.

On 11/25/05, Lucas Rijnders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all,

 Last weekend I flew to Barcelona for a short break. I don't fly often, so
 I couldn't resist taking some pictures out of the window at sunrise. To my
 dismay there is more flare (I think?) than I anticipated: See pictures 2
 and 3. It can hardly be the lens (it's an A50/1,7), so I think the
 plane-window is to blame. Is this salvageable in post-processing? If not:
 is there anything I can do a next time to prevent this, besides for asking
 an SMC window :o) ?

 The gallery is a quick scan of the whole roll, put up primarily for my
 fellow-travellers. However, feel free to take a look. Comments of any kind
 are more than welcome.

 http://www.jenny.dds.nl/lucas/Barca/index.html

 --
 Regards, Lucas





Re: Lens availability on ebay

2005-11-25 Thread wendy beard
On 11/24/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Hi All.

 I'm in the market for either the FA 100 f2.8 macro or the Tamron AF 90mm 
 Macro 1:1.

 I see that the FA pops up on ebay quite often. Not every week, but often 
 enough.Seems to
 go for the
 high $300's US.


Henry's has a 2nd hand FA 100 f2.8 macro listed at the moment but they
want CDN$700 for it!

--
Wendy Beard
Ottawa
Canada



Re: GESO: Weekend in Barcelona

2005-11-25 Thread Lucas Rijnders
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 20:34:21 +0100, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:



Great architecture.  What is it?


Antonio Gaudì. Don't google, get nice large book with color photo's ;-)

In the gallery in order: Parc Güell (08-22), Casa Milà (24-31) and Casa  
Battló (33-36).



http://www.jenny.dds.nl/lucas/Barca/index.html


--
Regards, Lucas



Re: PESO: from Cottyland

2005-11-25 Thread Powell Hargrave
At 07:34 AM 25/11/2005 , Rick wrote:
  Powell
got much better results with the eyedropper on the
jpg than I got using it on the tif, which is a
head-scratcher...

Depends on where you click with the eyedropper.  When not certain what is
really grey I will click around on what I think should be grey until the
colour balance looks right.  Make sure the eyedropper is set to 5x5 pixels
sampling.  You will get weird results if it is sampling only one pixel.

So it was actually a more than one click fix. :)

Powell



RE: My first PESO

2005-11-25 Thread Markus Maurer
Hi Bob
sadly you will find the same kind of censorship even on this PDML forum  -
they call it a family list then :-(
greetings
Markus


Seriously, though, I find it very depressing that there is this
attitude in the USA that equates all nude photography with pornography.

Bob




Re: DS Remote switch from Shanghai

2005-11-25 Thread Derby Chang
Oh, I see. I thought you meant you press on the remote switch, but you 
mean you press on the double cable release, and one of the releases is 
screwed into the switch.


The button itself isn't very thick - I haven't prised it open, but it 
can't be more than a few mm thick. It is 14mm dia. There is probably 
about 3mm of travel on the switch itself. Here's a closeup of the leaf 
contacts under the button..


http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/temp/IMGP4813.jpg

I imagine though you wouldn't need to make a thread if you can build a 
box around the switch so the cable release just presses on the button.


D


Leon Altoff wrote:


Derby,

Thanks for the picture.

The double cable release for the bellows handles the timing.  It first 
closes down the lens  and then triggers the shutter.  This is handy 
for depth of field preview before actually taking the picture.


All I need is the ability to be able to screw the release in and it 
activate the switch, which looking at the picture might be possible if 
I can tap a thread into the middle of the button.  Can you tell me how 
thick the actual button is?


 Leon

http://www.bluering.org.au
http://www.bluering.org.au/leon


Derby Chang wrote:


Hi Leon,

Do you mean having the remote mechanically trigger a cable release to 
your bellows lens at the same time as electronically triggering the 
D/DS? I don't think so. I took mine apart and this is what it looks 
like:


http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/temp/IMGP2951.JPG (sorry about 
the quality of the pic - I've had some wine).


There isn't much travel on the switch on the remote. You need a good 
deal for a mechanical cable release.


D



Leon Altoff wrote:


Hi Derby,

I would like to find a remote that I can screw in an old manual 
release into so that I can use it with my bellows.  I made one about 
5 years ago, but couldn't find a neat box to use for the switch.  Do 
you think there is any chance of modifying the one you have to 
accept a manual release?


 Leon

http://www.bluering.org.au
http://www.bluering.org.au/leon


Derby Chang wrote:



I know that the bits to make a remote switch for the DS can 
probably be had for about 5 bucks (or more or less free if you work 
in a company that makes electronic devices, like I do). I had 
thought about making an adapter for the Cable Switch F so I can use 
it on either the DS or the PZ1. Not that I'm likely to be using the 
PZ1 much anymore. But I do like a well made cable - that won't come 
from me.


These guys are selling remote switches on ebay for $AU20 (plus 
shipping).
http://www.novaphotography.biz/home.htm (the website only shows the 
Canon version, but look on ebay for the Pentax).


Mine arrived today. Much larger than the Pentax CS-205, but that's 
a plus for me. I hate fiddling around for a small switch, 
especially when I'm shooting night shots. Like the Pentax, it is a 
combo switch and slider lock, which is much nicer than the Cable 
Switch F two-finger action. The cable is twice as long as the CS-205.















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Re: PESO: Fisheye Fun

2005-11-25 Thread Jack Davis
I realize you put this up to demonstrate the Zenitar, but I'm taken
with the scene.
A rich, extremely well composed image.

Jack

--- Powell Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There has been some discussion of the Zenitar 16mm fisheye so I
 thought I
 would put up a few shots take with the ZX-5n.
 
 It is much easier to use this lens on the DS with the 1.5 crop.  It
 is
 really wide and bendy on full frame!
 
 http://members.shaw.ca/hargravep/Image9.htm
 
 Powell
 
 




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PAW: People Portraits 2005 #46 - GDG

2005-11-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Powell inspired me as it seems he was mucking about with the Zenitar  
this weekend too.


Ok, so I'm on the road and the laptop I'm carrying is s slow I  
can barely process ONE RAW format file per HOUR ... but I like this  
photo that came out of an evening monkeying about with the Zenitar  
fish eye with my brother and friend the other night...


  http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW5/46.htm

All critique, flames, appreciation, lavish praise always gratefully  
accepted.


enjoy
Godfrey



Re: PESO: Fisheye Fun

2005-11-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Pretty neat! Yes, I imagine on 24x36 it is a bit wider and more curvy  
than I'd find very useful most of the time. I like the rendering on  
16x24, haven't bothered to do any rectilinear correction with it yet.


Godfrey

On Nov 25, 2005, at 9:48 AM, Powell Hargrave wrote:

There has been some discussion of the Zenitar 16mm fisheye so I  
thought I

would put up a few shots take with the ZX-5n.

It is much easier to use this lens on the DS with the 1.5 crop.  It is
really wide and bendy on full frame!

http://members.shaw.ca/hargravep/Image9.htm

Powell





DA 12-24 on order

2005-11-25 Thread Paul Stenquist
I've been wanting the above named lens since it was announced, but it 
was hard to justify the price without a real need. But this morning I 
got an assignment to shoot an 18' x 18' bedroom for a magazine article. 
I looked at it with my DA16-45 full wide, and while I could come close 
to getting enough of the room in fram,e it wasn't quite what I had in 
mind. I considered stictching, but as Rob pointed out just yesterday, 
that's a tough assignment when working with extra wides. Sothat 
gave me all the enablement I needed. Thanks to Gonz for giving us a 
preview of the 12-24. I think it will prove quite adequate for my 
needs. I have some more interior shoots coming up, so It's going to get 
a workout.

Paul



Re: My first PESO

2005-11-25 Thread Glen
Bob, for what it's worth, I happen to like ALL the images you have shown in 
this thread. I think I have fewer preconceived notions about what the 
photos should look like than some other people do. I also don't try to 
pretend that I know what is happening in the mind of the model, the 
photographer, or of any potential viewer of this image, as some people here 
seem to be doing. The images look fine to me.



take care,
Glen



Re: My first PESO

2005-11-25 Thread Dave Kennedy
Not wanting to advocate censorship, but the 'family friendly' format
or at least a nudity warning is helpful, for me.  I sometimes go thru
the PDML  PESOs while here at work, and they have very strict rules
about inappropriate use of tools. There'd be a huge difference between
having a landscape on my desktop vs a nude.

dk

On 11/25/05, Markus Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Bob
 sadly you will find the same kind of censorship even on this PDML forum  -
 they call it a family list then :-(
 greetings
 Markus


 Seriously, though, I find it very depressing that there is this
 attitude in the USA that equates all nude photography with pornography.
 
 Bob
 





Re: My first PESO

2005-11-25 Thread DagT
Well, this is also an international list, so if such things bother  
you then don´t look at PESO´s or PAW´s at work.


Nudity isn´t very controversial around here, so I don´t like the US  
puritan rules being spread to the rest of us .-)


DagT

Den 25. nov. 2005 kl. 22.37 skrev Dave Kennedy:


Not wanting to advocate censorship, but the 'family friendly' format
or at least a nudity warning is helpful, for me.  I sometimes go thru
the PDML  PESOs while here at work, and they have very strict rules
about inappropriate use of tools. There'd be a huge difference between
having a landscape on my desktop vs a nude.

dk

On 11/25/05, Markus Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Bob
sadly you will find the same kind of censorship even on this PDML  
forum  -

they call it a family list then :-(
greetings
Markus



Seriously, though, I find it very depressing that there is this
attitude in the USA that equates all nude photography with  
pornography.


Bob











Re: My first PESO

2005-11-25 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
There is no censorship here.
Nudity doesn't both me.  Since, however, this is a broad-based list(no pun 
intended), with folks of all backgrounds, ages, and attitudes,what is wrong 
with having an informal agreement that photos withnudity are acceptable, but 
that a suitable disclosure with the link isdesirable.
Dan M



Re: My first PESO

2005-11-25 Thread Paul Stenquist
PDML censorship can be quite severe, and by no means does it all come 
from American members. Following the showing of my Temptation of Eve 
photos, I had to leave the list for a while until things cooled down. 
Nudity is very controversial around here, trust me.

Paul
On Nov 25, 2005, at 4:55 PM, DagT wrote:

Well, this is also an international list, so if such things bother you 
then don´t look at PESO´s or PAW´s at work.


Nudity isn´t very controversial around here, so I don´t like the US 
puritan rules being spread to the rest of us .-)


DagT

Den 25. nov. 2005 kl. 22.37 skrev Dave Kennedy:


Not wanting to advocate censorship, but the 'family friendly' format
or at least a nudity warning is helpful, for me.  I sometimes go thru
the PDML  PESOs while here at work, and they have very strict rules
about inappropriate use of tools. There'd be a huge difference between
having a landscape on my desktop vs a nude.

dk

On 11/25/05, Markus Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Bob
sadly you will find the same kind of censorship even on this PDML 
forum  -

they call it a family list then :-(
greetings
Markus



Seriously, though, I find it very depressing that there is this
attitude in the USA that equates all nude photography with 
pornography.


Bob














Re: My first PESO

2005-11-25 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: DagT

Subject: Re: My first PESO


Well, this is also an international list, so if such things bother  you 
then don´t look at PESO´s or PAW´s at work.


Nudity isn´t very controversial around here, so I don´t like the US 
puritan rules being spread to the rest of us .-)


As you point out, this is an international list. Perhaps if you are going to 
be on it, you should learn to repect the wishes of people who are living in 
cultures with different rules than your own.


William Robb 





Re: DA 12-24 on order

2005-11-25 Thread Joseph Tainter
I've been wanting the above named lens since it was announced, but it 
was hard to justify the price without a real need. But this morning I 
got an assignment to shoot an 18' x 18' bedroom for a magazine article. 
I looked at it with my DA16-45 full wide, and while I could come close 
to getting enough of the room in fram,e it wasn't quite what I had in 
mind. I considered stictching, but as Rob pointed out just yesterday, 
that's a tough assignment when working with extra wides. Sothat gave 
me all the enablement I needed.


--

Great reason, Paul. I wish logical reasons appeared so quickly when I 
want a lens.


Joe



Re: My first PESO

2005-11-25 Thread Glen

At 05:07 PM 11/25/2005, William Robb wrote:



- Original Message - From: DagT
Subject: Re: My first PESO


Well, this is also an international list, so if such things bother  you 
then don´t look at PESO´s or PAW´s at work.


Nudity isn´t very controversial around here, so I don´t like the US 
puritan rules being spread to the rest of us .-)


As you point out, this is an international list. Perhaps if you are going 
to be on it, you should learn to repect the wishes of people who are 
living in cultures with different rules than your own.


William Robb



Perhaps the best solution is to simply mention that a link leads to an 
image with nudity? That lets the list member make an informed decision to 
view or not view. I wouldn't call that censorship, just courtesy. For what 
it's worth, I have no problem with images of nudes, whether announced or 
not, but I know that some other people do.


As for not wanting to get in trouble at work, why are you reading a 
recreational mailing list anyway, when you could actually be working on 
something more productive?  :)



take care,
Glen



Continued digest virus problems

2005-11-25 Thread Brian Dipert
I'm still getting a VirusScan W32/Sober notification, in lieu of a set of
messages, with every other digest email that comes through. This started
early yesterday morning
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Re: My first PESO

2005-11-25 Thread DagT

Den 25. nov. 2005 kl. 23.07 skrev William Robb:


- Original Message - From: DagT
Subject: Re: My first PESO

Well, this is also an international list, so if such things  
bother  you then don´t look at PESO´s or PAW´s at work.


Nudity isn´t very controversial around here, so I don´t like the  
US puritan rules being spread to the rest of us .-)


As you point out, this is an international list. Perhaps if you are  
going to be on it, you should learn to repect the wishes of people  
who are living in cultures with different rules than your own.


OK, but then I guess we should have a poll to get an overview over  
all rules present on this list, not only the US ones.


Also you should not look at my pictures. I sometimes take pictures of  
children running around naked and I might forget to warn you.


DagT





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