Re: PESO - Getting the News
The photo is nicely done - you have captured an expression. I am just trying to decide what her face is saying to me. Good shot. -- Bruce Tuesday, September 4, 2007, 9:14:13 PM, you wrote: MA http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo07/peso6.html MA Comments, as always, welcomed. MA -Marco -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Sometimes it's hard to shoot Pentax
Actually, it was Pardees. I had called Camera Arts but they were out of the white backgrounds. I like Action Camera. I've given them a quite a bit of business over the last year. I bought my supports, a nice used 165mm f2.8 for the 67 and even ordered a new center column for my Bogen through them. I know that they stock Pentax. In fact, I almost stopped by there today on my way back but I was in a bit of a hurry. If they had the room to stock the paper I would go to them exclusively. -Brendan --- Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Brendan, Sounds like you went down to Camera Arts. Are you aware that Action Camera in Roseville (my town) is an active Pentax dealer? Recently when I was the first on the list to procure the 16-50/2.8, it was from them. I put my name on the list - first guy I think, and they got one of the first in and called me. I was there that day to get it. They are mainly Nikon and some Pentax - including MF (I got one of my 67ii's there). It is nice to go in because they treat you decent even though you are not a Canon or Nikon user. You might want to look them up. -- Bruce Tuesday, September 4, 2007, 8:24:04 PM, you wrote: BM So, after my fruitless search for the 16-50mm f2.8 BM over the last coupe of days (except for the 5 BM available from the guy in Tokyo on eBay, for BM $1,185.00US), I decided to take a deep breath and not BM worry about it for now. BM I took a drive down to a local camera shop in BM Sacramento to pick up a couple white background rolls BM and listen to the radio on the way. BM At some point I was reminded about this months' issue BM of Outdoor Photographer. In it, they reviewed the K10D BM touting its unique Foveon X3 chip (see inset, pg. BM 92). Suddenly, those old feelings of being abused BM crept back into my head drowning out Boston's More BM than a feeling. BM I got to the shop and found my rolls of Arctic White BM 53 x 36' I was needing. I took a look around and BM wasn't suprised to see everything but Pentax on the BM shelves. So, I asked one of the salesmen, Do you guys BM carry any new Pentax stuff? BM No, sorry. You must be one of the last people to BM still shoot Pentax. BM Hum, that's a damn shame, I said, if you did I buy BM one of their new lenses from you. I thought my point BM was obvious. BM Well, only about 1 in a 1000 people ever ask about BM Pentax anymore, he said as if his math were valid. BM That may be, but some of their new gear is quite BM good, ya know, I said not knowing that he really BM didn't know and was even less interested in what I was BM about to say. The K10D has been making some waves and BM they have some great new lenses coming out for it. BM Well, I don't know anthing about it, I haven't read BM any of the reviews on it, and I don't make those BM decisions anyway the owner does. There's a lot of BM great gear out there that we don't carry. At that BM point he handed me the charge slip to sign and I took BM my yellow copy and left. BM It's a sad thing though. I really used to get such a BM kick out of going to camera stores. Not so much BM anymore. BM -Brendan BM BM BM Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative BM vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. BM http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Sometimes it's hard to shoot Pentax
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the film days, I think Pentax and Nikon were the big draws. When Canon came out with the AE-1, they became a player. Minolta made its mark with the Maxxam AF cameras. IMO, Pentax lost out with the SF series of AF cameras. Canon EOS cameras were much better, I believe. I am not as familiar with Nikon gear, although in my mind, the F series were pro machines. What seems strange to me is going to an electronics toy store and seeing lots of cameras there, Canons, Nikons, Sonys, Panasonics, and Olympus. Pentax? Actually, around here, I don't hold that as too unlikely. I have at least noticed the K10D popping up on many webshops where I otherwise would order a Monitor or memory for my PC, if you know what I'm saying. Pentax equipment seems to be a lot easier to get than it was, say, 2 years ago. - T Hm. Maybe not. Jim A. So, after my fruitless search for the 16-50mm f2.8 over the last coupe of days (except for the 5 available from the guy in Tokyo on eBay, for $1,185.00US), I decided to take a deep breath and not worry about it for now. I took a drive down to a local camera shop in Sacramento to pick up a couple white background rolls and listen to the radio on the way. At some point I was reminded about this months' issue of Outdoor Photographer. In it, they reviewed the K10D touting its unique Foveon X3 chip (see inset, pg. 92). Suddenly, those old feelings of being abused crept back into my head drowning out Boston's More than a feeling. I got to the shop and found my rolls of Arctic White 53 x 36' I was needing. I took a look around and wasn't suprised to see everything but Pentax on the shelves. So, I asked one of the salesmen, Do you guys carry any new Pentax stuff? No, sorry. You must be one of the last people to still shoot Pentax. Hum, that's a damn shame, I said, if you did I buy one of their new lenses from you. I thought my point was obvious. Well, only about 1 in a 1000 people ever ask about Pentax anymore, he said as if his math were valid. That may be, but some of their new gear is quite good, ya know, I said not knowing that he really didn't know and was even less interested in what I was about to say. The K10D has been making some waves and they have some great new lenses coming out for it. Well, I don't know anthing about it, I haven't read any of the reviews on it, and I don't make those decisions anyway the owner does. There's a lot of great gear out there that we don't carry. At that point he handed me the charge slip to sign and I took my yellow copy and left. It's a sad thing though. I really used to get such a kick out of going to camera stores. Not so much anymore. -Brendan Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Toralf Lund [EMAIL PROTECTED] +47 66 85 51 22 ProCaptura AS +47 66 85 51 00 (switchboard) http://www.procaptura.com/~toralf +47 66 85 51 01 (fax) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT - Cat Stew
From: Rebekah [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/09/04 Tue AM 10:51:01 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Cat Stew Show us a picture of your computer first. show me a picture of yours. rg2 It's not very good. I'm busy printing something at the moment. http://www.davidpbrown.co.uk/jokes/blondes-printing.html On 9/4/07, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rebekah [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/09/04 Tue AM 01:29:21 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Cat Stew probably not. Girls don't know how to use computers. (Apart from pink ones, obviously). -- Bob take it back! rg2 Show us a picture of your computer first. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: In Praise of Pentax USA
I read the thread on DPR, Joe. Fortunately everything will go well for you and your lens. Happy for you :) -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Non-Pentax Lenses for the Gallery
From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/09/04 Tue PM 03:17:48 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Non-Pentax Lenses for the Gallery I recently asked Carolyn about the acceptability of using non-Pentax lenses for Gallery images. I received an email from A Cathy Tarter who explained the Carolyn is on vacation this week. She offers..I do not know what might have been discussed in your other emails to Carolyn, but if this helps: You can submit images taken with other manufacturer's lenses. However the camera must be a Pentax SLR. I suspect the question should be asked next week to be sure. That policy seems to be the wrong way round, to me. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Harlech Castle 2
On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 14:07:26 -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote That's very nice indeed, John. :-) Godfrey Thanks Godfrey, I'm still considering adding a little warmth, but got caught up editing a lot of group shots here at work. Regards, John The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT - Cat Stew
From: John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/09/04 Tue PM 04:17:24 GMT To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Cat Stew From: Bob Sullivan Dave, The idea about asian restaurants and cats (or dogs) was passed to me some 30 years ago in the Netherlands. American friends living there politely declined to go out to eat at those restaurants...something about having puppies in the window and dog on the menu. (That ought to stir up all the dog lovers!) The Vietnamese call it bow-wow pig. My grandmother wouldn't eat at a Chinese restaurant because she was afraid they'd serve her cats and worms. FWIW, that's also what the Native Americans of Mexico bred the Chihuahua for. ??? If I was breeding dogs for food, I think I would be aiming more for a St Bernard. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Harlech Castle 2
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 19:03:12 -0400, John Graves wrote John, Wonderful Picture. How much did you pay those clouds to perform for you. John G. I had a big wind machine on hire at a very competitive rate! John The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Harlech Castle 2
On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 17:31:10 -0400, frank theriault wrote On 9/2/07, John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just sorting through some of the images I took in Wales, this is one of the ones I like the most, Pentax K10D Sigma 10-20 @ 10mm, f/8 @ 1/640 sec, ISO200, RAW (DNG), SR=on, ACR, CS3. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6372564 That's quite stunning. cheers, frank Hi Frank, thanks for the kind comment. Regards, John The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: PESO: Harlech Castle 2
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:06:11 -0600, Tom C wrote Lovely shot! I hate those pathetic stair railings the law must make you put up though. Tom C. Yeah, ruins the whole thing (no pun intended), the temptation to use the clone tool came to mind once or twice 8) Regards, John The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Wedding Experience (long)
On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 21:45:30 -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote Good question. For pans of cars I set the autofocus to th´single center sensor. When I'm shooting people on the street, I generally choose the uppermost sensor with the camera in a vertical position. I never use the full array. That may have somthing to do with why I don't have a problem with hunting. Paul Hi Paul The array of sensors were one of the things I disliked most on the *istD and K10D and quickly switched to single centre sensor. Do you choose the uppermost sensor for street photography to have the camera focus on the head? Regards, John The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Stupid lens survery
From: Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/09/04 Tue PM 05:26:31 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Stupid lens survery You argue pro cat stew. So I don't take you seriously. Mark! Tim Typo Mostly Harmless - Original Message - From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 6:23 PM Subject: Re: Stupid lens survery On 9/4/07, Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I'm not sure if I'd go the Pentax route again, judging from what I see in the horison now. I love the K10D. I love my FA* 85, I'm also sure I'll love the two fast DA* zooms. But where is the long lens lineup? The 200/2,8 and 300/4 will not fill the gap for me. I need something longer. A 400/ would be a lot better. My K-500/4,5 has way too much CA to do what I really would like to do. In practical use it is an f:8. It is a lot better than nothing, but far from what I'd like. And the really flexible and good legacy lenses are far too expensive at the moment. I know for a fact if all my kit was stolen or destroyed tomorrow, and I had to start all over again, Pentax wouldn't be my first, or second, choice. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.3/986 - Release Date: 03.09.2007 09:31 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PAW 2007 - 37 - GDG
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/09/04 Tue PM 08:06:30 GMT To: DUG [EMAIL PROTECTED], PDML List PDML@pdml.net, PAW [EMAIL PROTECTED], SeePhoto Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PAW 2007 - 37 - GDG I've been seeing this foot/bike overpass nearby that crosses the railroad and expressway, wondering about the photo opportunities it might present both from its elevation as a viewpoint and from atop its span. So I carried the L1 and long Nikkor lens along with a tripod over there yesterday morning just past sunrise... http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/37.htm Comments, critique, and flames always appreciated. That breaks a few rules. 8-) I see a red halo on the rider's back. Artefact or real? - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: PESO: Harlech Castle 2
From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/09/04 Tue PM 10:06:11 GMT To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: PESO: Harlech Castle 2 Lovely shot! I hate those pathetic stair railings the law must make you put up though. More likely insurance. Have to keep the profit margins up. Tom C. From: John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO: Harlech Castle 2 Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 19:47:59 +0100 Just sorting through some of the images I took in Wales, this is one of the ones I like the most, Pentax K10D Sigma 10-20 @ 10mm, f/8 @ 1/640 sec, ISO200, RAW (DNG), SR=on, ACR, CS3. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6372564 Large file: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6372564size=lg Comments critique welcome. Regards, John The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Re: OT - Cat Stew
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree. If you are going to control animal numbers and a cull is necessary, shooting - as long as it is with a rifle and not a shotgun (unless at point blank range) - is fine. As long as death is instant. Traps are a no-no. Anything that produces prolonged and sustained suffering is bad. Like aiming a car and running over a feral cat. The suffering will not only be the cat's. Hitting anything substantial at speed (unless you have something like a Defender) will result in major bodywork damage and expense. Bones will easily penetrate tyres. Having seen the almost complete rebuild required of a (metal) front end once, due to (accidental) impact with a hare, I do think the original statement was hyperbole. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Sometimes it's hard to shoot Pentax
Brendan MacRae wrote: Well, I don't know anthing about it, I haven't read any of the reviews on it, and I don't make those decisions anyway the owner does. There's a lot of great gear out there that we don't carry. At that point he handed me the charge slip to sign and I took my yellow copy and left. I've come across similar circumstances where good gear by one manufacturer, doesn't feature strongly at the local dealer - if stocked at all. I often wonder - and I'm not saying this is the case here - if the squeeze is put on by brand leaders and possibly as this may feature as the shops main income from their sales, by them *implying* that stocking or promoting a rival product may make their terms, margins and support to be a little less desirable to the dealer. Rival product 'x' may be wonderful, but the risk too high to stock it. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Published! link below -
ann sanfedele wrote: Keith -- instead of buying it from Merrill? gr or did you mean ebay? No, Amazon.com. This is the link to the listing on ebay -- and the signed book... Wasn't aware of that source, when you mentioned it to me. You're clear, because when one mentions something more or less en passant they don't usually offer information on where to access a copy! The amazon purchase will be nice for his numbers but from ebay better for his pockets :) http://tinyurl.com/2zq9ad When I hear about a book I'd like to read, I don't hunt down the author, OR go to eBay to bid on it, I go to Amazon.com, which has some excellent prices. I don't want to 'collect' a book, I want to read it! The old story. Had I known... keith -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Sun Sprite
Thanks Jack. It's full frame, no crop. Paul On Sep 4, 2007, at 11:13 PM, Jack Davis wrote: What a cutie! I think it works as a result of there being a little snipped off of both the head and feet. Good crop.(?) Jack --- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Grace in the grass. Shot with continuous autofocus and the DA 50-200. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6382714 Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ __ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Sun Sprite
She is a pixie. (Actually, she says she's a princess :-). Thanks to all who had a look. Paul On Sep 4, 2007, at 11:31 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Nice work. Looks like a pixie ... :-) G On Sep 4, 2007, at 6:41 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Grace in the grass. Shot with continuous autofocus and the DA 50-200. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6382714 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: A helping hand
Thanks Bruce. I rarely take pictures of other kids, because it can cause problems. but I had already spoken to this girl's mother, so it seemed okay. Gave her my e-mail address and told her I'd send her some pics as well, but I haven't heard from her. I've done that a few times in the past and have never been contacted. Paul On Sep 4, 2007, at 11:52 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote: This one shows you can take wonderful pictures of kids, even when they are not Grace. Lovely shot! -- Bruce Tuesday, September 4, 2007, 6:58:58 PM, you wrote: PS Madeline on the slide. Her mother, whose hand grasps her firmly, is PS Norwegian. PS http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6382720 PS Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Wedding Experience (long)
Yes, the uppermost center will give you a good head or even eye focus point when shooting vertical. Sometimes I drop it down to the second sensor (from the top) if I want to frame looser. I usually leave the camera on the setting that allows sensor selection and work the little joystick quite frequently. Paul On Sep 5, 2007, at 3:41 AM, John Whittingham wrote: On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 21:45:30 -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote Good question. For pans of cars I set the autofocus to th´single center sensor. When I'm shooting people on the street, I generally choose the uppermost sensor with the camera in a vertical position. I never use the full array. That may have somthing to do with why I don't have a problem with hunting. Paul Hi Paul The array of sensors were one of the things I disliked most on the *istD and K10D and quickly switched to single centre sensor. Do you choose the uppermost sensor for street photography to have the camera focus on the head? Regards, John -- -- The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Getting the News
Great capture Marco. Maybe just a little too much background on the right, but maybe not. CW - Original Message - From: Marco Alpert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 12:14 AM Subject: PESO - Getting the News http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo07/peso6.html Comments, as always, welcomed. -Marco -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.5/988 - Release Date: 9/4/2007 9:14 AM -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: First Try with Astro Photography
On Sep 4, 2007, at 2:37 PM, Bob Blakely wrote: Interesting. The chromatic aberration produced by the lens can clearly be seen. This would not have been evident if the moon were properly exposed - but then you wouldn't have recorded any of the sisters. For stars, nebulae, etc. (not the moon) at high magnification: The following requires a properly aligned equatorial mount with sidereal tracking, a ref converter with as much magnification as you can get and the entire night in a dark area. I have a nice alt-az mount, and live close to Washington DC. So, I chose the moon. Big and bright simplifies things. I'll stay with an unguided DSLR for now. I'm still new to astronomy, and need to learn to walk before running. The 7 Sisters came out better than I expected- they were an accident. The moon was the real target. It was the first frame of the night, and I didn't have much of a clue about the exposure. Cheers, Mike -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Getting the News
Nicely rendered. Great tonal values. Excellent framing. Paul http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo07/peso6.html Comments, as always, welcomed. -Marco -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.5/988 - Release Date: 9/4/2007 9:14 AM -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Big Elektra stardust 80 studio flash (voltage and features)
Any information of Big Elektra studio flash voltage (suitable for DSLR or would fry my camera?), also appreciate information on your preferred studio light/flash sets. Any useful advice would be appreciated. Product page in German http://www.alles-big.de/dyna/dyna-mi-studiolicht-si-start.asp?men=003act=003 Best regards, Roman -- new pictures once and again http://roman.blakout.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Published! link below -
The irony here was that I was trying to help his sales by telling you guys about it :) oh well. anyway, enjoy it Keith, it is a fun read ann keith_w wrote: ann sanfedele wrote: Keith -- instead of buying it from Merrill? gr or did you mean ebay? No, Amazon.com. This is the link to the listing on ebay -- and the signed book... Wasn't aware of that source, when you mentioned it to me. You're clear, because when one mentions something more or less en passant they don't usually offer information on where to access a copy! The amazon purchase will be nice for his numbers but from ebay better for his pockets :) http://tinyurl.com/2zq9ad When I hear about a book I'd like to read, I don't hunt down the author, OR go to eBay to bid on it, I go to Amazon.com, which has some excellent prices. I don't want to 'collect' a book, I want to read it! The old story. Had I known... keith -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Sometimes it's hard to shoot Pentax
I could have guessed Pardees, Brendon. Just seemed to fit. Jack --- Brendan MacRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, it was Pardees. I had called Camera Arts but they were out of the white backgrounds. I like Action Camera. I've given them a quite a bit of business over the last year. I bought my supports, a nice used 165mm f2.8 for the 67 and even ordered a new center column for my Bogen through them. I know that they stock Pentax. In fact, I almost stopped by there today on my way back but I was in a bit of a hurry. If they had the room to stock the paper I would go to them exclusively. -Brendan --- Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Brendan, Sounds like you went down to Camera Arts. Are you aware that Action Camera in Roseville (my town) is an active Pentax dealer? Recently when I was the first on the list to procure the 16-50/2.8, it was from them. I put my name on the list - first guy I think, and they got one of the first in and called me. I was there that day to get it. They are mainly Nikon and some Pentax - including MF (I got one of my 67ii's there). It is nice to go in because they treat you decent even though you are not a Canon or Nikon user. You might want to look them up. -- Bruce Tuesday, September 4, 2007, 8:24:04 PM, you wrote: BM So, after my fruitless search for the 16-50mm f2.8 BM over the last coupe of days (except for the 5 BM available from the guy in Tokyo on eBay, for BM $1,185.00US), I decided to take a deep breath and not BM worry about it for now. BM I took a drive down to a local camera shop in BM Sacramento to pick up a couple white background rolls BM and listen to the radio on the way. BM At some point I was reminded about this months' issue BM of Outdoor Photographer. In it, they reviewed the K10D BM touting its unique Foveon X3 chip (see inset, pg. BM 92). Suddenly, those old feelings of being abused BM crept back into my head drowning out Boston's More BM than a feeling. BM I got to the shop and found my rolls of Arctic White BM 53 x 36' I was needing. I took a look around and BM wasn't suprised to see everything but Pentax on the BM shelves. So, I asked one of the salesmen, Do you guys BM carry any new Pentax stuff? BM No, sorry. You must be one of the last people to BM still shoot Pentax. BM Hum, that's a damn shame, I said, if you did I buy BM one of their new lenses from you. I thought my point BM was obvious. BM Well, only about 1 in a 1000 people ever ask about BM Pentax anymore, he said as if his math were valid. BM That may be, but some of their new gear is quite BM good, ya know, I said not knowing that he really BM didn't know and was even less interested in what I was BM about to say. The K10D has been making some waves and BM they have some great new lenses coming out for it. BM Well, I don't know anthing about it, I haven't read BM any of the reviews on it, and I don't make those BM decisions anyway the owner does. There's a lot of BM great gear out there that we don't carry. At that BM point he handed me the charge slip to sign and I took BM my yellow copy and left. BM It's a sad thing though. I really used to get such a BM kick out of going to camera stores. Not so much BM anymore. BM -Brendan BM BM BM Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative BM vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. BM http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Non-Pentax Lenses for the Gallery
Yes, I'm sure many agree. I think the answer is wrong and I plan to ask again next week. Jack --- mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/09/04 Tue PM 03:17:48 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Non-Pentax Lenses for the Gallery I recently asked Carolyn about the acceptability of using non-Pentax lenses for Gallery images. I received an email from A Cathy Tarter who explained the Carolyn is on vacation this week. She offers..I do not know what might have been discussed in your other emails to Carolyn, but if this helps: You can submit images taken with other manufacturer's lenses. However the camera must be a Pentax SLR. I suspect the question should be asked next week to be sure. That policy seems to be the wrong way round, to me. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PAW 2007 - 37 - GDG
On Sep 5, 2007, at 1:08 AM, mike wilson wrote: http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/37.htm That breaks a few rules. 8-) I see a red halo on the rider's back. Artefact or real? It's a color photo ... The rider was wearing a red sweater. ;-) Thanks for commenting. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Metering Question
Thank you Godfrey, et. al... Godfrey: when you say that good modern cameras allow for both CW and multi-segment, do you mean this in terms of a setting (a switch) made on the camera body? I ask because my ZX-M goes into CW mode when using an older lens (i.e. an M-series lens). Is this what you had meant, or were you referring to a body setting? I have not noted a body setting on my ZX-M for CW metering. I just love the ZX-M-- especially with the added weight of the battery pack--and I would not want to have to part with it (in fact, I am thinking of getting another ZX-M body)...unless it were inhibiting my skill development in some way. Advice is welcome. Thanks again, Glen On Sep 4, 2007, at 11:39 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Glen Tortorella wrote: Is multi-segment metering always better than center-weighted metering? My ZX-M has TTL multi (2)-segment metering, while my Super Program has open aperture, TTL center-weighted metering. From what I know about the matter, multi-segment is more precise, but I thought I would inquire about this, as I am not an expert. Multi-segment metering generally is evaluative: camera makes light readings of several areas and compares a signature of the distribution of metered values to some reference signatures, develops an exposure setting based on that comparison. Center-weighted metering is simpler: it is integrating the brightness across the whole screen but biasing the center-most area as being most important, without regards to individual area measurements. There are times and reasons for the use of both metering options. If you want to use exposure automation to it's fullest capabilities in a hands-off manner, multi-segment metering generally does a better job since it is looking for scene signatures and trying to do a best fit, one way or another. However, exactly what it's doing is sometimes not easy to predict. If, on the other hand, you want to meter manually and stay in complete control of the exposure setting, CW Averaging is simple enough that you can generally understand precisely what the meter is doing and make your own judgments as to where to place the exposure. This is why any good modern camera worth using that allows manual settings has both Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Metering Question
I figured you meant this, P.J. I am a master of the typo...and I am a professional writer :-) I very much appreciate your commentary. Thanks, Glen On Sep 5, 2007, at 12:03 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: Maybe I shouldn't post when I'm tired. That quote should read, ...why doesn't this damed thing focus. P. J. Alling wrote: My choice is to set all my cameras to the same metering method. I usually set to center weighted averaging and Shutter preferred automation if I'm carrying an LX or ME and an auto focus camera, (doesn't matter if it's digital or film). That way I don't get confused about metering. If one of the cameras is an MX everything is in center weighted manual exposure, once again mistakes are minimized. In fact I often shut autofocus off to keep from putting a manual focus camera to my eye and wondering for a critical moment, ..why it doesn't this dammed focus. Glen Tortorella wrote: Bob, Thank you for your opinion. I was thinking that this may be a matter of preference, and your comments helped to clarify the issue. Hence, will I be unnecessarily confusing myself by having both cameras in my arsenal (one with center weight, one with multi)? I am hoping to build upon my skills, and I do not want to end up scratching my head every time I switch cameras. Regards, Glen On Sep 4, 2007, at 8:49 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Glen, My opinion - multi segment is touted as special and more accurate. I learned to shoot and compensate for lighting on an ME and a Super Program. Both are center weighted and give predictable responses to special situations. I never got used to multi segment metering. I'm sure the readings were good, but the computer integration of the results was un-predictable to me. I find myself preferring spot or center-weighted to this day. Something akin to Plant a radish, get a radish... Regards, Bob S. On 9/4/07, Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Is multi-segment metering always better than center-weighted metering? My ZX-M has TTL multi (2)-segment metering, while my Super Program has open aperture, TTL center-weighted metering. From what I know about the matter, multi-segment is more precise, but I thought I would inquire about this, as I am not an expert. Thanks, Glen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT - Cat Stew
I almost hate to admit this, but I've accidentally rim over a cat at speed, when one darted into the road at night. (I went back to check on the animal, no collar and it must have died almost instantly, bit still disturbing). No damage was done to my vehicle at all. They're just not big enough. I know other people who've hit small animals such as raccoons and possums, once again no the result was, damage to the vehicle, dead animal. They must make cars out of tin foil where you come from. mike wilson wrote: From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree. If you are going to control animal numbers and a cull is necessary, shooting - as long as it is with a rifle and not a shotgun (unless at point blank range) - is fine. As long as death is instant. Traps are a no-no. Anything that produces prolonged and sustained suffering is bad. Like aiming a car and running over a feral cat. The suffering will not only be the cat's. Hitting anything substantial at speed (unless you have something like a Defender) will result in major bodywork damage and expense. Bones will easily penetrate tyres. Having seen the almost complete rebuild required of a (metal) front end once, due to (accidental) impact with a hare, I do think the original statement was hyperbole. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Sometimes it's hard to shoot Pentax
These are excellent comments, Brendan. You highlight many important issues we Pentaxians face...and things we feel. Regards, Glen On Sep 4, 2007, at 11:24 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote: So, after my fruitless search for the 16-50mm f2.8 over the last coupe of days (except for the 5 available from the guy in Tokyo on eBay, for $1,185.00US), I decided to take a deep breath and not worry about it for now. I took a drive down to a local camera shop in Sacramento to pick up a couple white background rolls and listen to the radio on the way. At some point I was reminded about this months' issue of Outdoor Photographer. In it, they reviewed the K10D touting its unique Foveon X3 chip (see inset, pg. 92). Suddenly, those old feelings of being abused crept back into my head drowning out Boston's More than a feeling. I got to the shop and found my rolls of Arctic White 53 x 36' I was needing. I took a look around and wasn't suprised to see everything but Pentax on the shelves. So, I asked one of the salesmen, Do you guys carry any new Pentax stuff? No, sorry. You must be one of the last people to still shoot Pentax. Hum, that's a damn shame, I said, if you did I buy one of their new lenses from you. I thought my point was obvious. Well, only about 1 in a 1000 people ever ask about Pentax anymore, he said as if his math were valid. That may be, but some of their new gear is quite good, ya know, I said not knowing that he really didn't know and was even less interested in what I was about to say. The K10D has been making some waves and they have some great new lenses coming out for it. Well, I don't know anthing about it, I haven't read any of the reviews on it, and I don't make those decisions anyway the owner does. There's a lot of great gear out there that we don't carry. At that point he handed me the charge slip to sign and I took my yellow copy and left. It's a sad thing though. I really used to get such a kick out of going to camera stores. Not so much anymore. -Brendan __ __ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Nice to know
The equator. I know that, because there is a sign on the other side of the road (southbound) telling me I'm halfway to the equator :-) On 9/4/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To which I as the question, starting from where? wendy beard wrote: http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/85028122 (sorry, darkside camera) Wendy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Sometimes it's hard to shoot Pentax
Brendan MacRae wrote: Well, I don't know anthing about it, I haven't read any of the reviews on it, and I don't make those decisions anyway the owner does. There's a lot of great gear out there that we don't carry. At that point he handed me the charge slip to sign and I took my yellow copy and left. One of the local dealers was telling me that no Pentax field sales representative had been in to see them in several years. They're not negative on the brand, they simply don't know what's going on or why they haven't been contacted in so long. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Metering Question
Normally there is a setting that lets you switch between multisegment, CW and spot metering. (Spot is when the reading is taken only in a small circle in the center of the image). Unfortunately, the MZ-M (ZX-M in the US) does not have it, and this is one of the reasos for my upgrade to the MZ-5n (ZX-5n), a more advanced camera with AF, built-in flash and 3 metering options (the multi-segment also has more different segments into account). The interface of the camera is the same classic type as the MZ-M though, so you feel at home when handling one. My advice is to get a MZ-5n instead of another MZ-M. In these days, they shouldn't be that much difference in price between them. Jaume - Mensaje original De: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: miércoles, 5 de septiembre, 2007 15:30:47 Asunto: Re: Metering Question Thank you Godfrey, et. al... Godfrey: when you say that good modern cameras allow for both CW and multi-segment, do you mean this in terms of a setting (a switch) made on the camera body? I ask because my ZX-M goes into CW mode when using an older lens (i.e. an M-series lens). Is this what you had meant, or were you referring to a body setting? I have not noted a body setting on my ZX-M for CW metering. I just love the ZX-M-- especially with the added weight of the battery pack--and I would not want to have to part with it (in fact, I am thinking of getting another ZX-M body)...unless it were inhibiting my skill development in some way. Advice is welcome. Thanks again, Glen On Sep 4, 2007, at 11:39 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Glen Tortorella wrote: Is multi-segment metering always better than center-weighted metering? My ZX-M has TTL multi (2)-segment metering, while my Super Program has open aperture, TTL center-weighted metering. From what I know about the matter, multi-segment is more precise, but I thought I would inquire about this, as I am not an expert. Multi-segment metering generally is evaluative: camera makes light readings of several areas and compares a signature of the distribution of metered values to some reference signatures, develops an exposure setting based on that comparison. Center-weighted metering is simpler: it is integrating the brightness across the whole screen but biasing the center-most area as being most important, without regards to individual area measurements. There are times and reasons for the use of both metering options. If you want to use exposure automation to it's fullest capabilities in a hands-off manner, multi-segment metering generally does a better job since it is looking for scene signatures and trying to do a best fit, one way or another. However, exactly what it's doing is sometimes not easy to predict. If, on the other hand, you want to meter manually and stay in complete control of the exposure setting, CW Averaging is simple enough that you can generally understand precisely what the meter is doing and make your own judgments as to where to place the exposure. This is why any good modern camera worth using that allows manual settings has both Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Sé un Mejor Amante del Cine ¿Quieres saber cómo? ¡Deja que otras personas te ayuden! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/reto/entretenimiento.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
PESO: Visual Pollution
There was a PUG theme of the same name a month or so back. I thought of it as I passed this scene while driving along the Thousand Islands parkway http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/84578732 and a little closer http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/84578729 What were these people thinking! How on earth did they get this past the planning committee! Some people have no sense. Wendy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Re: OT - Cat Stew
I hit a large coyote with a minivan once, at about 75 miles per hour. It just ran into the highway at night, and afraid a sudden maneuver would flip the vehicle, I just tried to keep it away from the path of the tires and center the van. The impact cracked the plastic skirt under the front bumper and left some marks on the bumper itself. If it had been my bimmer, that would have been much worse, being much closer to the ground. My sister-in-law is a nurse and once she was called late at night due to a bad accident. A family of four lost three people due to the driver trying to avoid a raccoon crossing the highway and running their car off the highway and flipping it. On 9/5/07, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree. If you are going to control animal numbers and a cull is necessary, shooting - as long as it is with a rifle and not a shotgun (unless at point blank range) - is fine. As long as death is instant. Traps are a no-no. Anything that produces prolonged and sustained suffering is bad. Like aiming a car and running over a feral cat. The suffering will not only be the cat's. Hitting anything substantial at speed (unless you have something like a Defender) will result in major bodywork damage and expense. Bones will easily penetrate tyres. Having seen the almost complete rebuild required of a (metal) front end once, due to (accidental) impact with a hare, I do think the original statement was hyperbole. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Metering Question
Thank you, Jaume. The MZ-5n (ZX-5n) looks interesting. Is there any difference in the Euro and American versions (i.e. MZ and ZX)? Also, do the higher models in this series have the same functionality (ZX-10, 50, 60, etc.)? Thanks, Glen On Sep 5, 2007, at 10:03 AM, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: Normally there is a setting that lets you switch between multisegment, CW and spot metering. (Spot is when the reading is taken only in a small circle in the center of the image). Unfortunately, the MZ-M (ZX-M in the US) does not have it, and this is one of the reasos for my upgrade to the MZ-5n (ZX-5n), a more advanced camera with AF, built-in flash and 3 metering options (the multi-segment also has more different segments into account). The interface of the camera is the same classic type as the MZ-M though, so you feel at home when handling one. My advice is to get a MZ-5n instead of another MZ-M. In these days, they shouldn't be that much difference in price between them. Jaume - Mensaje original De: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: miércoles, 5 de septiembre, 2007 15:30:47 Asunto: Re: Metering Question Thank you Godfrey, et. al... Godfrey: when you say that good modern cameras allow for both CW and multi-segment, do you mean this in terms of a setting (a switch) made on the camera body? I ask because my ZX-M goes into CW mode when using an older lens (i.e. an M-series lens). Is this what you had meant, or were you referring to a body setting? I have not noted a body setting on my ZX-M for CW metering. I just love the ZX-M-- especially with the added weight of the battery pack--and I would not want to have to part with it (in fact, I am thinking of getting another ZX-M body)...unless it were inhibiting my skill development in some way. Advice is welcome. Thanks again, Glen On Sep 4, 2007, at 11:39 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Glen Tortorella wrote: Is multi-segment metering always better than center-weighted metering? My ZX-M has TTL multi (2)-segment metering, while my Super Program has open aperture, TTL center-weighted metering. From what I know about the matter, multi-segment is more precise, but I thought I would inquire about this, as I am not an expert. Multi-segment metering generally is evaluative: camera makes light readings of several areas and compares a signature of the distribution of metered values to some reference signatures, develops an exposure setting based on that comparison. Center-weighted metering is simpler: it is integrating the brightness across the whole screen but biasing the center-most area as being most important, without regards to individual area measurements. There are times and reasons for the use of both metering options. If you want to use exposure automation to it's fullest capabilities in a hands-off manner, multi-segment metering generally does a better job since it is looking for scene signatures and trying to do a best fit, one way or another. However, exactly what it's doing is sometimes not easy to predict. If, on the other hand, you want to meter manually and stay in complete control of the exposure setting, CW Averaging is simple enough that you can generally understand precisely what the meter is doing and make your own judgments as to where to place the exposure. This is why any good modern camera worth using that allows manual settings has both Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ __ Sé un Mejor Amante del Cine ¿Quieres saber cómo? ¡Deja que otras personas te ayuden! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/reto/entretenimiento.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Metering Question
On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 07:03:25 -0700 (PDT), Jaume Lahuerta wrote Normally there is a setting that lets you switch between multisegment, CW and spot metering. (Spot is when the reading is taken only in a small circle in the center of the image). Unfortunately, the MZ-M (ZX-M in the US) does not have it, and this is one of the reasos for my upgrade to the MZ-5n (ZX-5n), a more advanced camera with AF, built-in flash and 3 metering options (the multi-segment also has more different segments into account). The interface of the camera is the same classic type as the MZ-M though, so you feel at home when handling one. It also has better build quality, metal lens mount etc compared to the MZ-M Regards, john The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Metering Question
Sorry, but I'm completely unfamiliar with Pentax film SLR bodies other than the MX, which simply had CW Averaging and nothing else. All this stuff was much simpler in the past. Nikon pioneered the CW Averaging meter pattern way back when they shipped the Nikon F Photomic FTn in 1969. There were no other options and it's all I used for 30 years until I bought the Leica M6, which only had a central selective area spot meter... I never had any trouble getting excellent exposure with either, it was simple and the behavior easily understood on a coupled, manual match-needle metering camera. The advent of full automation AE program modes with the EOS-IX (my first 'modern' autofocus SLR camera...) and such complexified things a great deal. I only had one camera that linked exposure mode with metering pattern (the Canon EOS-IX) and it made me a little crazy: you had to choose one of what they referred to as the Creative exposure modes or some other option to get anything other than multi-segment metering ... I never did sort out exactly when CW Averaging or Spot modes were being used. Luckily, it generally made good exposure settings and took good pictures despite (or perhaps because of) this linkup. I greatly prefer having a simple switch on the body or even a menu pick to choose which meter pattern to use. The K10D has a switch around the exposure mode selector which works well, the L1 has a switch around the exposure mode/time controller and shutter release which works even better. With that I can see what CW Averaging, multisegment and Spot modes would judge the scene to require without even taking my eye from the viewfinder. Simplify, simplify. I mostly use the K10D in just one or two exposure modes, or Manual, and worry more about what I'm looking at to photograph than what the camera is thinking. ;-) Godfrey On Sep 5, 2007, at 6:30 AM, Glen Tortorella wrote: Godfrey: when you say that good modern cameras allow for both CW and multi-segment, do you mean this in terms of a setting (a switch) made on the camera body? I ask because my ZX-M goes into CW mode when using an older lens (i.e. an M-series lens). Is this what you had meant, or were you referring to a body setting? I have not noted a body setting on my ZX-M for CW metering. I just love the ZX-M-- especially with the added weight of the battery pack--and I would not want to have to part with it (in fact, I am thinking of getting another ZX-M body)...unless it were inhibiting my skill development in some way. Advice is welcome. Multi-segment metering generally is evaluative: camera makes light readings of several areas and compares a signature of the distribution of metered values to some reference signatures, develops an exposure setting based on that comparison. Center-weighted metering is simpler: it is integrating the brightness across the whole screen but biasing the center-most area as being most important, without regards to individual area measurements. There are times and reasons for the use of both metering options. If you want to use exposure automation to it's fullest capabilities in a hands-off manner, multi-segment metering generally does a better job since it is looking for scene signatures and trying to do a best fit, one way or another. However, exactly what it's doing is sometimes not easy to predict. If, on the other hand, you want to meter manually and stay in complete control of the exposure setting, CW Averaging is simple enough that you can generally understand precisely what the meter is doing and make your own judgments as to where to place the exposure. This is why any good modern camera worth using that allows manual settings has both -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Metering Question
Thanks...does the ZX-5n accept the FG battery pack (AA, like on the ZX-M)? Thanks again, Glen On Sep 5, 2007, at 10:07 AM, John Whittingham wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 07:03:25 -0700 (PDT), Jaume Lahuerta wrote Normally there is a setting that lets you switch between multisegment, CW and spot metering. (Spot is when the reading is taken only in a small circle in the center of the image). Unfortunately, the MZ-M (ZX-M in the US) does not have it, and this is one of the reasos for my upgrade to the MZ-5n (ZX-5n), a more advanced camera with AF, built-in flash and 3 metering options (the multi-segment also has more different segments into account). The interface of the camera is the same classic type as the MZ-M though, so you feel at home when handling one. It also has better build quality, metal lens mount etc compared to the MZ-M Regards, john -- -- The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Night Ferry
Cotty wrote: Taken on the Ward's Island Ferry, on my way back from taking Skyline at Twilight (yesterday's PESO): http://tinyurl.com/2pbas2 Boy that has a gritty feel to it. Could be a still from a movie. Good atmosphere. Er, why is everyone down the other end of the boat? (hint- Right Guard ;-) Actually, it's easy. The other end is the one with the exit that will be used ;-) -Adam who was on the ferry last thursday. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Metering Question
The only difference between an MZ and a ZX is the name. Lower numbers in this series indicate better bodies (the best is the MZ-S). Generally there's little reason today to pick any body below the MZ-5n in the line, they aren't enough cheaper to make up for the features you lose. MZ-5n's are pretty cheap (unlike MZ-S's). -Adam Glen Tortorella wrote: Thank you, Jaume. The MZ-5n (ZX-5n) looks interesting. Is there any difference in the Euro and American versions (i.e. MZ and ZX)? Also, do the higher models in this series have the same functionality (ZX-10, 50, 60, etc.)? Thanks, Glen On Sep 5, 2007, at 10:03 AM, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: Normally there is a setting that lets you switch between multisegment, CW and spot metering. (Spot is when the reading is taken only in a small circle in the center of the image). Unfortunately, the MZ-M (ZX-M in the US) does not have it, and this is one of the reasos for my upgrade to the MZ-5n (ZX-5n), a more advanced camera with AF, built-in flash and 3 metering options (the multi-segment also has more different segments into account). The interface of the camera is the same classic type as the MZ-M though, so you feel at home when handling one. My advice is to get a MZ-5n instead of another MZ-M. In these days, they shouldn't be that much difference in price between them. Jaume - Mensaje original De: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: miércoles, 5 de septiembre, 2007 15:30:47 Asunto: Re: Metering Question Thank you Godfrey, et. al... Godfrey: when you say that good modern cameras allow for both CW and multi-segment, do you mean this in terms of a setting (a switch) made on the camera body? I ask because my ZX-M goes into CW mode when using an older lens (i.e. an M-series lens). Is this what you had meant, or were you referring to a body setting? I have not noted a body setting on my ZX-M for CW metering. I just love the ZX-M-- especially with the added weight of the battery pack--and I would not want to have to part with it (in fact, I am thinking of getting another ZX-M body)...unless it were inhibiting my skill development in some way. Advice is welcome. Thanks again, Glen On Sep 4, 2007, at 11:39 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Glen Tortorella wrote: Is multi-segment metering always better than center-weighted metering? My ZX-M has TTL multi (2)-segment metering, while my Super Program has open aperture, TTL center-weighted metering. From what I know about the matter, multi-segment is more precise, but I thought I would inquire about this, as I am not an expert. Multi-segment metering generally is evaluative: camera makes light readings of several areas and compares a signature of the distribution of metered values to some reference signatures, develops an exposure setting based on that comparison. Center-weighted metering is simpler: it is integrating the brightness across the whole screen but biasing the center-most area as being most important, without regards to individual area measurements. There are times and reasons for the use of both metering options. If you want to use exposure automation to it's fullest capabilities in a hands-off manner, multi-segment metering generally does a better job since it is looking for scene signatures and trying to do a best fit, one way or another. However, exactly what it's doing is sometimes not easy to predict. If, on the other hand, you want to meter manually and stay in complete control of the exposure setting, CW Averaging is simple enough that you can generally understand precisely what the meter is doing and make your own judgments as to where to place the exposure. This is why any good modern camera worth using that allows manual settings has both Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ __ Sé un Mejor Amante del Cine ¿Quieres saber cómo? ¡Deja que otras personas te ayuden! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/reto/entretenimiento.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Metering Question
No, there is no difference except for the name. I wouldn't say that the 10, 50, 60 are higher models at all, although it is difficult to explain since the numbers do not follow clear logics (at least to me). The bottom down models were the MZ-50, replaced by the 30 and then by the 60. Teh are not compatible with pre-A lenses. Then there were the MZ-10(older), the MZ-7 and MZ-6, that were a bit more advanced. All theses models does not have the classical interface of the MZ-M/5/5n/3, but have the typical shooting modes: sports, night, portrait, landscape...that the 'classical' don't have. The MZ-3 is the more advanced of the series but is so similar to the 5n that I don't think it is worth it. Ah, and there is the top of the tops, the MZ-S, but this one is in another league. Mmmm, I think that it is time that you visit the excellent 'Pentax K-mount bible' aka Boz's site: http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/ and look for the Bodies/MZ series. Have fun !! Jaume - Mensaje original De: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: miércoles, 5 de septiembre, 2007 16:26:53 Asunto: Re: Metering Question Thank you, Jaume. The MZ-5n (ZX-5n) looks interesting. Is there any difference in the Euro and American versions (i.e. MZ and ZX)? Also, do the higher models in this series have the same functionality (ZX-10, 50, 60, etc.)? Thanks, Glen On Sep 5, 2007, at 10:03 AM, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: Normally there is a setting that lets you switch between multisegment, CW and spot metering. (Spot is when the reading is taken only in a small circle in the center of the image). Unfortunately, the MZ-M (ZX-M in the US) does not have it, and this is one of the reasos for my upgrade to the MZ-5n (ZX-5n), a more advanced camera with AF, built-in flash and 3 metering options (the multi-segment also has more different segments into account). The interface of the camera is the same classic type as the MZ-M though, so you feel at home when handling one. My advice is to get a MZ-5n instead of another MZ-M. In these days, they shouldn't be that much difference in price between them. Jaume - Mensaje original De: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: miércoles, 5 de septiembre, 2007 15:30:47 Asunto: Re: Metering Question Thank you Godfrey, et. al... Godfrey: when you say that good modern cameras allow for both CW and multi-segment, do you mean this in terms of a setting (a switch) made on the camera body? I ask because my ZX-M goes into CW mode when using an older lens (i.e. an M-series lens). Is this what you had meant, or were you referring to a body setting? I have not noted a body setting on my ZX-M for CW metering. I just love the ZX-M-- especially with the added weight of the battery pack--and I would not want to have to part with it (in fact, I am thinking of getting another ZX-M body)...unless it were inhibiting my skill development in some way. Advice is welcome. Thanks again, Glen On Sep 4, 2007, at 11:39 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Glen Tortorella wrote: Is multi-segment metering always better than center-weighted metering? My ZX-M has TTL multi (2)-segment metering, while my Super Program has open aperture, TTL center-weighted metering. From what I know about the matter, multi-segment is more precise, but I thought I would inquire about this, as I am not an expert. Multi-segment metering generally is evaluative: camera makes light readings of several areas and compares a signature of the distribution of metered values to some reference signatures, develops an exposure setting based on that comparison. Center-weighted metering is simpler: it is integrating the brightness across the whole screen but biasing the center-most area as being most important, without regards to individual area measurements. There are times and reasons for the use of both metering options. If you want to use exposure automation to it's fullest capabilities in a hands-off manner, multi-segment metering generally does a better job since it is looking for scene signatures and trying to do a best fit, one way or another. However, exactly what it's doing is sometimes not easy to predict. If, on the other hand, you want to meter manually and stay in complete control of the exposure setting, CW Averaging is simple enough that you can generally understand precisely what the meter is doing and make your own judgments as to where to place the exposure. This is why any good modern camera worth using that allows manual settings has both Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ __
Re: Metering Question
Yes. -Adam Glen Tortorella wrote: Thanks...does the ZX-5n accept the FG battery pack (AA, like on the ZX-M)? Thanks again, Glen On Sep 5, 2007, at 10:07 AM, John Whittingham wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 07:03:25 -0700 (PDT), Jaume Lahuerta wrote Normally there is a setting that lets you switch between multisegment, CW and spot metering. (Spot is when the reading is taken only in a small circle in the center of the image). Unfortunately, the MZ-M (ZX-M in the US) does not have it, and this is one of the reasos for my upgrade to the MZ-5n (ZX-5n), a more advanced camera with AF, built-in flash and 3 metering options (the multi-segment also has more different segments into account). The interface of the camera is the same classic type as the MZ-M though, so you feel at home when handling one. It also has better build quality, metal lens mount etc compared to the MZ-M Regards, john -- -- The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Metering Question
Well, actually there are a few more differences, like bracketing, viewfinder,...as I said in my previous post, take a look at Boz's site for a complete list: http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/ And yes, the 5n accepts the battery pack (I would say that all the MZ's except for the MZ-S accept it...) Regards, Jaume - Mensaje original De: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: miércoles, 5 de septiembre, 2007 16:46:13 Asunto: Re: Metering Question Thanks...does the ZX-5n accept the FG battery pack (AA, like on the ZX-M)? Thanks again, Glen On Sep 5, 2007, at 10:07 AM, John Whittingham wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 07:03:25 -0700 (PDT), Jaume Lahuerta wrote Normally there is a setting that lets you switch between multisegment, CW and spot metering. (Spot is when the reading is taken only in a small circle in the center of the image). Unfortunately, the MZ-M (ZX-M in the US) does not have it, and this is one of the reasos for my upgrade to the MZ-5n (ZX-5n), a more advanced camera with AF, built-in flash and 3 metering options (the multi-segment also has more different segments into account). The interface of the camera is the same classic type as the MZ-M though, so you feel at home when handling one. It also has better build quality, metal lens mount etc compared to the MZ-M Regards, john -- -- The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Sé un Mejor Amante del Cine ¿Quieres saber cómo? ¡Deja que otras personas te ayuden! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/reto/entretenimiento.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Metering Question
Typically film cameras have either a metering switch, or it's linked to some other control (film Rebels will switch metering patterns when set to Manual or using the AE Lock, my old Nikon FA switched metering modes when set to Manual, when a button was pressed/locked or when a AI-converted lens was mounted). Low-end DSLR's usually have a menu option instead. I prefer the switch. The best I've found is on my Mamiya 645 AE Prism, it's easy to use without moving the camera away from the eye. The Nikon F100 isn't bad. The MZ-5n had a good location for the switch, but I had to look at the camera to know what mode I'm in. -Adam Glen Tortorella wrote: Thank you Godfrey, et. al... Godfrey: when you say that good modern cameras allow for both CW and multi-segment, do you mean this in terms of a setting (a switch) made on the camera body? I ask because my ZX-M goes into CW mode when using an older lens (i.e. an M-series lens). Is this what you had meant, or were you referring to a body setting? I have not noted a body setting on my ZX-M for CW metering. I just love the ZX-M-- especially with the added weight of the battery pack--and I would not want to have to part with it (in fact, I am thinking of getting another ZX-M body)...unless it were inhibiting my skill development in some way. Advice is welcome. Thanks again, Glen On Sep 4, 2007, at 11:39 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Glen Tortorella wrote: Is multi-segment metering always better than center-weighted metering? My ZX-M has TTL multi (2)-segment metering, while my Super Program has open aperture, TTL center-weighted metering. From what I know about the matter, multi-segment is more precise, but I thought I would inquire about this, as I am not an expert. Multi-segment metering generally is evaluative: camera makes light readings of several areas and compares a signature of the distribution of metered values to some reference signatures, develops an exposure setting based on that comparison. Center-weighted metering is simpler: it is integrating the brightness across the whole screen but biasing the center-most area as being most important, without regards to individual area measurements. There are times and reasons for the use of both metering options. If you want to use exposure automation to it's fullest capabilities in a hands-off manner, multi-segment metering generally does a better job since it is looking for scene signatures and trying to do a best fit, one way or another. However, exactly what it's doing is sometimes not easy to predict. If, on the other hand, you want to meter manually and stay in complete control of the exposure setting, CW Averaging is simple enough that you can generally understand precisely what the meter is doing and make your own judgments as to where to place the exposure. This is why any good modern camera worth using that allows manual settings has both Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
PESO: Pink Sun Banding
This AM my wife told me there was a pretty pink sun rising. I shot it as a lark, really, but am surprised to see the degree of vertical banding accross the frame. Thought that was dealt with through a firmware download some time back. This is likely a supreme test, however. Opinions? http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=233 Hand held, 100 ISO, spot metered on sun, f/5.6, 1/750-1/1000(?) Jack Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Metering Question
Thanks very much, Adam... This is good news, as I like the FG pack. Is there any difference between the ZX-5 and the ZX-5n? Regards, Glen On Sep 5, 2007, at 10:52 AM, Adam Maas wrote: Yes. -Adam Glen Tortorella wrote: Thanks...does the ZX-5n accept the FG battery pack (AA, like on the ZX-M)? Thanks again, Glen On Sep 5, 2007, at 10:07 AM, John Whittingham wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 07:03:25 -0700 (PDT), Jaume Lahuerta wrote Normally there is a setting that lets you switch between multisegment, CW and spot metering. (Spot is when the reading is taken only in a small circle in the center of the image). Unfortunately, the MZ-M (ZX-M in the US) does not have it, and this is one of the reasos for my upgrade to the MZ-5n (ZX-5n), a more advanced camera with AF, built-in flash and 3 metering options (the multi-segment also has more different segments into account). The interface of the camera is the same classic type as the MZ-M though, so you feel at home when handling one. It also has better build quality, metal lens mount etc compared to the MZ-M Regards, john -- -- The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Lens 'tasting' (was: Re: Non-Pentax Lenses for the Gallery)
Hmm... this kind of makes me wonder, to turn the issue around, whether there exist people similar to wine-tasters who can 'taste' from the image such important factors as make, plant, focal distance, aperture, whether it was a good year when the lens blossomed -- i'm aware that there is something like bouquet but its spelled differently here, if I'm not mistaken. :-) Axel - just adding some noise to the eh... signal it was? Yes, I'm sure many agree. I think the answer is wrong and I plan to ask again next week. Jack --- mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/09/04 Tue PM 03:17:48 GMT I recently asked Carolyn about the acceptability of using non-Pentax lenses for Gallery images. I received an email from A Cathy Tarter who explained the Carolyn is on vacation this week. She offers..I do not know what might have been discussed in your other emails to Carolyn, but if this helps: You can submit images taken with other manufacturer's lenses. However the camera must be a Pentax SLR. I suspect the question should be asked next week to be sure. That policy seems to be the wrong way round, to me. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Metering Question
The main difference is in control layout. The MZ-5 has the metering selector around the exposure compensation dial and the drive mode selector colocated with the on/off switch around the shutter release. The MZ-5n moves the metering selector switch to the shutter speed dial, and the drive mode selector moves to the exposure compensation dial. The on/off stays were it was. A much better layout IMHO. -Adam Glen Tortorella wrote: Thanks very much, Adam... This is good news, as I like the FG pack. Is there any difference between the ZX-5 and the ZX-5n? Regards, Glen On Sep 5, 2007, at 10:52 AM, Adam Maas wrote: Yes. -Adam Glen Tortorella wrote: Thanks...does the ZX-5n accept the FG battery pack (AA, like on the ZX-M)? Thanks again, Glen On Sep 5, 2007, at 10:07 AM, John Whittingham wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 07:03:25 -0700 (PDT), Jaume Lahuerta wrote Normally there is a setting that lets you switch between multisegment, CW and spot metering. (Spot is when the reading is taken only in a small circle in the center of the image). Unfortunately, the MZ-M (ZX-M in the US) does not have it, and this is one of the reasos for my upgrade to the MZ-5n (ZX-5n), a more advanced camera with AF, built-in flash and 3 metering options (the multi-segment also has more different segments into account). The interface of the camera is the same classic type as the MZ-M though, so you feel at home when handling one. It also has better build quality, metal lens mount etc compared to the MZ-M Regards, john -- -- The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO
Thanks for everyone's comments on this, and I'll do my best to fix the background a bit :)) Looks like he's using his tongue, trying to get that raspberry seed from between his teeth! g Actually, you're pretty close - I think he was struggling with some peanut butter at the moment :oP rg2 On 9/4/07, keith_w [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: frank theriault wrote: On 9/4/07, Rebekah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't come up with a clever title. Oh well. http://picasaweb.google.com/rg2pdml/PESO/photo?authkey=W1C-i05p28o#5106336881361072386 Anyways, this is cropped a bit and changed to BW. I'm not sure I like the bokeh, does anyone else think it looks too...wiry? I'm not sure how else to describe it. Anways, comments, advice, random edits are all welcome. The bokeh is a wee bit harsh, but not overly objectionable (to me, at least). Nice photo! You caught a nice expression on his face - he's concentrating on something. cheers, frank Looks like he's using his tongue, trying to get that raspberry seed from between his teeth! g keith -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Metering Question
There are a couple of differences, but the most important one is that the ZX-5n has depth of field preview, the 5 does not. Glen Tortorella wrote: Thanks very much, Adam... This is good news, as I like the FG pack. Is there any difference between the ZX-5 and the ZX-5n? Regards, Glen On Sep 5, 2007, at 10:52 AM, Adam Maas wrote: Yes. -Adam Glen Tortorella wrote: Thanks...does the ZX-5n accept the FG battery pack (AA, like on the ZX-M)? Thanks again, Glen On Sep 5, 2007, at 10:07 AM, John Whittingham wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 07:03:25 -0700 (PDT), Jaume Lahuerta wrote Normally there is a setting that lets you switch between multisegment, CW and spot metering. (Spot is when the reading is taken only in a small circle in the center of the image). Unfortunately, the MZ-M (ZX-M in the US) does not have it, and this is one of the reasos for my upgrade to the MZ-5n (ZX-5n), a more advanced camera with AF, built-in flash and 3 metering options (the multi-segment also has more different segments into account). The interface of the camera is the same classic type as the MZ-M though, so you feel at home when handling one. It also has better build quality, metal lens mount etc compared to the MZ-M Regards, john -- -- The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Effing brilliant!
O. . . A Gaussian distribution of 's! Steve the Nerd ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/4/2007 7:11 PM Mark Roberts wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: ann sanfedele wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: Norm Baugher wrote: David Savage wrote: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: frank therault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I smell another pun thread Only if Waller keeps needling us. This will probably be a short thread. I think these sort of threads are so ingrained in the fabric of the PDML, that the list might dye without them. This is unraveling fast... Perhaps you should knit it back together. you think sew? No, darn it. Suture self. Interesting pun choice - considering Mark lives with a doc. (have to needle him about that) ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net !SIG:46dde744196702650110031! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Metering Question
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 11:13:47 -0400, Adam Maas wrote The main difference is in control layout. The MZ-5 has the metering selector around the exposure compensation dial and the drive mode selector colocated with the on/off switch around the shutter release. The MZ-5n moves the metering selector switch to the shutter speed dial, and the drive mode selector moves to the exposure compensation dial. The on/off stays were it was. A much better layout IMHO. -Adam The MZ-5N added DoFP and AE lock, the main gripes regarding the MZ-5. John The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: First Try with Astro Photography
For the moon, f5.6-f/16 (depending on phase), 1/100, ISO 100. Regards, Bob... Life isn't like a box of chocolates . . it's more like a jar of jalapenos. What you do today, might burn your butt tomorrow. - Original Message - From: Beaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a nice alt-az mount, and live close to Washington DC. So, I chose the moon. Big and bright simplifies things. I'll stay with an unguided DSLR for now. I'm still new to astronomy, and need to learn to walk before running. The 7 Sisters came out better than I expected- they were an accident. The moon was the real target. It was the first frame of the night, and I didn't have much of a clue about the exposure. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Film Gone?
Hi all, Is it true that both Fuji and Kodak have announced plans to stop producing film? A dealer mentioned this to me, and I would like to know if it is true. Thanks, Glen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Nice to know
So you're really 1/4 of the way to the North Pole, if you're starting from the South Pole... wendy beard wrote: The equator. I know that, because there is a sign on the other side of the road (southbound) telling me I'm halfway to the equator :-) On 9/4/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To which I as the question, starting from where? wendy beard wrote: http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/85028122 (sorry, darkside camera) Wendy -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Metering Question
regarding metering selector the k10d layout is then like MZ-5, not like MZ-5n. interesting. The main difference is in control layout. The MZ-5 has the metering selector around the exposure compensation dial and the drive mode selector colocated with the on/off switch around the shutter release. The MZ-5n moves the metering selector switch to the shutter speed dial, and the drive mode selector moves to the exposure compensation dial. The on/off stays were it was. A much better layout IMHO. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Film Gone?
The dealer is full of shit (as usual on this subject, Dealers seem to say this a lot). Fuji remains heavily committed to film, and even Kodak (which has been making occasional noises about the death of film) has just updated the Portra line. -Adam Glen Tortorella wrote: Hi all, Is it true that both Fuji and Kodak have announced plans to stop producing film? A dealer mentioned this to me, and I would like to know if it is true. Thanks, Glen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT - Cat Stew
I ran off the road once to avoid a deer. $2600 worth of damage to a diesel Escort hardly any damage to the bodywork but the undercarriage was pretty much wiped out, I did not realize in the dark that the field was 4 feet lower than the road. I figured next time I would hit the SOB; it would cost me $7-800 in repairs and I would get to keep the venison to offset that. Here in the mountains where I now live you would be a dead fool to veer more that a lanes worth to avoid hitting anything. Gonz wrote: I hit a large coyote with a minivan once, at about 75 miles per hour. It just ran into the highway at night, and afraid a sudden maneuver would flip the vehicle, I just tried to keep it away from the path of the tires and center the van. The impact cracked the plastic skirt under the front bumper and left some marks on the bumper itself. If it had been my bimmer, that would have been much worse, being much closer to the ground. My sister-in-law is a nurse and once she was called late at night due to a bad accident. A family of four lost three people due to the driver trying to avoid a raccoon crossing the highway and running their car off the highway and flipping it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Things looking up??
OTOH, a set of false teeth is not going to give you a hernia. Why, I once carried in six sets in one load... John Sessoms wrote: From: Bob W n the other hand (if you'll forgive the expression), drivers and drivers' mates in furniture delivery vans are the salt of the earth. I once had a student job as the driver's mate on a furniture van, and it was one of the best jobs I ever had. You obviously never got sent to pack an antique concert grand piano down from a 4th floor walk-up. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Metering Question
Thanks...I will check the Web page you mention. I just spoke to a dealer, and he was quite puzzled as to why I would want a Pentax ZX-5n--or any film camera. He said that both Kodak and Fuji will soon stop making film. So, are we wasting our time discussing useless antiques (i.e. ZX-5ns, ZX-Ms, etc.)? Thanks, Glen On Sep 5, 2007, at 10:58 AM, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: Well, actually there are a few more differences, like bracketing, viewfinder,...as I said in my previous post, take a look at Boz's site for a complete list: http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/ And yes, the 5n accepts the battery pack (I would say that all the MZ's except for the MZ-S accept it...) Regards, Jaume - Mensaje original De: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: miércoles, 5 de septiembre, 2007 16:46:13 Asunto: Re: Metering Question Thanks...does the ZX-5n accept the FG battery pack (AA, like on the ZX-M)? Thanks again, Glen On Sep 5, 2007, at 10:07 AM, John Whittingham wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 07:03:25 -0700 (PDT), Jaume Lahuerta wrote Normally there is a setting that lets you switch between multisegment, CW and spot metering. (Spot is when the reading is taken only in a small circle in the center of the image). Unfortunately, the MZ-M (ZX-M in the US) does not have it, and this is one of the reasos for my upgrade to the MZ-5n (ZX-5n), a more advanced camera with AF, built-in flash and 3 metering options (the multi-segment also has more different segments into account). The interface of the camera is the same classic type as the MZ-M though, so you feel at home when handling one. It also has better build quality, metal lens mount etc compared to the MZ-M Regards, john - - -- The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. - - -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ __ Sé un Mejor Amante del Cine ¿Quieres saber cómo? ¡Deja que otras personas te ayuden! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/reto/entretenimiento.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Pink Sun Banding
On 06/09/07, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This AM my wife told me there was a pretty pink sun rising. I shot it as a lark, really, but am surprised to see the degree of vertical banding accross the frame. Thought that was dealt with through a firmware download some time back. This is likely a supreme test, however. Opinions? No that's the VPN that you shouldn't worry about because some people with K10Ds haven't experienced it ;-( -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/PESO http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Peso: Off the wind
John Graves wrote: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jhg2/1312835645/ John G. Beautiful shot. Beautiful boat. Technically it's sailing on the wind as off the wind would be sailing with the wind from the stern quarters i.e. downwind. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Metering Question
IIRC the MZ-5 does not have the exposure lock button, which I find very useful (specially when spot metering). The MZ-M does have this button, though. - Mensaje original De: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: miércoles, 5 de septiembre, 2007 17:13:47 Asunto: Re: Metering Question The main difference is in control layout. The MZ-5 has the metering selector around the exposure compensation dial and the drive mode selector colocated with the on/off switch around the shutter release. The MZ-5n moves the metering selector switch to the shutter speed dial, and the drive mode selector moves to the exposure compensation dial. The on/off stays were it was. A much better layout IMHO. -Adam Glen Tortorella wrote: Thanks very much, Adam... This is good news, as I like the FG pack. Is there any difference between the ZX-5 and the ZX-5n? Regards, Glen On Sep 5, 2007, at 10:52 AM, Adam Maas wrote: Yes. -Adam Glen Tortorella wrote: Thanks...does the ZX-5n accept the FG battery pack (AA, like on the ZX-M)? Thanks again, Glen On Sep 5, 2007, at 10:07 AM, John Whittingham wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 07:03:25 -0700 (PDT), Jaume Lahuerta wrote Normally there is a setting that lets you switch between multisegment, CW and spot metering. (Spot is when the reading is taken only in a small circle in the center of the image). Unfortunately, the MZ-M (ZX-M in the US) does not have it, and this is one of the reasos for my upgrade to the MZ-5n (ZX-5n), a more advanced camera with AF, built-in flash and 3 metering options (the multi-segment also has more different segments into account). The interface of the camera is the same classic type as the MZ-M though, so you feel at home when handling one. It also has better build quality, metal lens mount etc compared to the MZ-M Regards, john -- -- The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Sé un Mejor Amante del Cine ¿Quieres saber cómo? ¡Deja que otras personas te ayuden! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/reto/entretenimiento.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Pink Sun Banding
Nice shot. I would paint the banding out of the pic. As to the cause, could be a one-time hiccup. Digital s__t happens. Paul -- Original message -- From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] This AM my wife told me there was a pretty pink sun rising. I shot it as a lark, really, but am surprised to see the degree of vertical banding accross the frame. Thought that was dealt with through a firmware download some time back. This is likely a supreme test, however. Opinions? http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=233 Hand held, 100 ISO, spot metered on sun, f/5.6, 1/750-1/1000(?) Jack Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT - Cat Stew
On Sep 5, 2007, at 9:14, Gonz wrote: My sister-in-law is a nurse and once she was called late at night due to a bad accident. A family of four lost three people due to the driver trying to avoid a raccoon crossing the highway and running their car off the highway and flipping it. A general rule of thumb I read on a motorcycle-based mailing list once was: If it is small enough to eat in one sitting, it is not worth the danger of swerving to avoid it. I tend to stick to that rule when things dart out in the road in front of me - and haven't hit anything yet (thank goodness!) Don't know for sure where a raccoon fits in that rule, actually. Some of them are pretty big. I think I'd rather go through it than flip the car/motorcycle over, though! -Charles -- Charles Robinson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Metering Question
Moron dealer wants to sell another digital. Film isn't dead. Some forms are likely going to disappear in the next few years (cheap C-41 colour, Kodachrome, possibly 35mm slide) but I'd expect to see BW and MF/LF slide continue on for just about ever. -Adam Glen Tortorella wrote: Thanks...I will check the Web page you mention. I just spoke to a dealer, and he was quite puzzled as to why I would want a Pentax ZX-5n--or any film camera. He said that both Kodak and Fuji will soon stop making film. So, are we wasting our time discussing useless antiques (i.e. ZX-5ns, ZX-Ms, etc.)? Thanks, Glen On Sep 5, 2007, at 10:58 AM, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: Well, actually there are a few more differences, like bracketing, viewfinder,...as I said in my previous post, take a look at Boz's site for a complete list: http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/ And yes, the 5n accepts the battery pack (I would say that all the MZ's except for the MZ-S accept it...) Regards, Jaume - Mensaje original De: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: miércoles, 5 de septiembre, 2007 16:46:13 Asunto: Re: Metering Question Thanks...does the ZX-5n accept the FG battery pack (AA, like on the ZX-M)? Thanks again, Glen On Sep 5, 2007, at 10:07 AM, John Whittingham wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 07:03:25 -0700 (PDT), Jaume Lahuerta wrote Normally there is a setting that lets you switch between multisegment, CW and spot metering. (Spot is when the reading is taken only in a small circle in the center of the image). Unfortunately, the MZ-M (ZX-M in the US) does not have it, and this is one of the reasos for my upgrade to the MZ-5n (ZX-5n), a more advanced camera with AF, built-in flash and 3 metering options (the multi-segment also has more different segments into account). The interface of the camera is the same classic type as the MZ-M though, so you feel at home when handling one. It also has better build quality, metal lens mount etc compared to the MZ-M Regards, john - - -- The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. - - -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ __ Sé un Mejor Amante del Cine ¿Quieres saber cómo? ¡Deja que otras personas te ayuden! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/reto/entretenimiento.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Duki
Cotty wrote: I'm laying myself wide open here, in light of a recent thread but what the heck. All done in the camera - minimal post processing - levels adjustment and conversion to B+W with Power Retouche in CS. I think this shot illustrates the fantastic minimal depth of field that can be achieved with the A*85mm 1.4 wide open. No softening applied in CS, in fact I actually sharpened it up a bit. Darkside 1DmII, ISO 400, 1/500th at f 1.4 http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/nature/images/pic33.html Comments, brickbats and the odd hurled cat stew. Very tastefully photographed! -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Nice to know
You are being a smart ass, Peter. One, would with no other reference, figure it was from zero latitude, if it was from anything else a reference would be needed. Reference from zero can always be assumed. Not too far from from my apartment is a sign that says Eastern Continental Divide 3360 ft. Are you going to ask 3360 feet from what or, are you going to assume above mean sea level? Of course I imagine there are people who would see Wendy's sign and think, That sign is 10 miles from my house so the North Pole must be 10 miles from here, but I would think such a person was pretty ignorant. P. J. Alling wrote: So you're really 1/4 of the way to the North Pole, if you're starting from the South Pole... wendy beard wrote: The equator. I know that, because there is a sign on the other side of the road (southbound) telling me I'm halfway to the equator :-) On 9/4/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To which I as the question, starting from where? wendy beard wrote: http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/85028122 (sorry, darkside camera) Wendy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Film Gone?
Kodak has moved their film production offshore (actually, I imagine that just means they have shut down their US and European film plants mostly due to environmental regulations*), Fuji continues to introduce new films. Film may no longer be mainstream, but it is far from dead. I would imagine that the dealer is planning to stop carrying film in his store but wants you to continue shopping there, you should not. *please note that not many companies will openly admit that evasion of local laws is the reason for going offshore. Glen Tortorella wrote: Hi all, Is it true that both Fuji and Kodak have announced plans to stop producing film? A dealer mentioned this to me, and I would like to know if it is true. Thanks, Glen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Metering Question
On 9/5/07, Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Is multi-segment metering always better than center-weighted metering? Simple answer, No. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Nice to know
Thanks for the straw man Graywolf. Tom, being halfway to the North pole from the equator is no more obvious than being half way to the North Pole from the South Pole. Hell the sign could have meant that they were half way to the north pole from Denver CO. With no further information available. graywolf wrote: You are being a smart ass, Peter. One, would with no other reference, figure it was from zero latitude, if it was from anything else a reference would be needed. Reference from zero can always be assumed. Not too far from from my apartment is a sign that says Eastern Continental Divide 3360 ft. Are you going to ask 3360 feet from what or, are you going to assume above mean sea level? Of course I imagine there are people who would see Wendy's sign and think, That sign is 10 miles from my house so the North Pole must be 10 miles from here, but I would think such a person was pretty ignorant. P. J. Alling wrote: So you're really 1/4 of the way to the North Pole, if you're starting from the South Pole... wendy beard wrote: The equator. I know that, because there is a sign on the other side of the road (southbound) telling me I'm halfway to the equator :-) On 9/4/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To which I as the question, starting from where? wendy beard wrote: http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/85028122 (sorry, darkside camera) Wendy -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Metering Question
The sad fact is that when Kodak or Fuji doesn't stop making film shortly the salesdroid will probably no longer be working there so you can't go rub his nose in it. Glen Tortorella wrote: Thanks...I will check the Web page you mention. I just spoke to a dealer, and he was quite puzzled as to why I would want a Pentax ZX-5n--or any film camera. He said that both Kodak and Fuji will soon stop making film. So, are we wasting our time discussing useless antiques (i.e. ZX-5ns, ZX-Ms, etc.)? Thanks, Glen On Sep 5, 2007, at 10:58 AM, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: Well, actually there are a few more differences, like bracketing, viewfinder,...as I said in my previous post, take a look at Boz's site for a complete list: http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/ And yes, the 5n accepts the battery pack (I would say that all the MZ's except for the MZ-S accept it...) Regards, Jaume - Mensaje original De: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: miércoles, 5 de septiembre, 2007 16:46:13 Asunto: Re: Metering Question Thanks...does the ZX-5n accept the FG battery pack (AA, like on the ZX-M)? Thanks again, Glen On Sep 5, 2007, at 10:07 AM, John Whittingham wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 07:03:25 -0700 (PDT), Jaume Lahuerta wrote Normally there is a setting that lets you switch between multisegment, CW and spot metering. (Spot is when the reading is taken only in a small circle in the center of the image). Unfortunately, the MZ-M (ZX-M in the US) does not have it, and this is one of the reasos for my upgrade to the MZ-5n (ZX-5n), a more advanced camera with AF, built-in flash and 3 metering options (the multi-segment also has more different segments into account). The interface of the camera is the same classic type as the MZ-M though, so you feel at home when handling one. It also has better build quality, metal lens mount etc compared to the MZ-M Regards, john - - -- The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. - - -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ __ Sé un Mejor Amante del Cine ¿Quieres saber cómo? ¡Deja que otras personas te ayuden! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/reto/entretenimiento.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Film Gone?
The Harvard MBA's that run Kodak would love to stop making film, (short sighted bastards that they are), but Fuji seems to be fully committed to film for the foreseeable future. Your salesdroid has been reading too much crap on the Internet. Glen Tortorella wrote: Hi all, Is it true that both Fuji and Kodak have announced plans to stop producing film? A dealer mentioned this to me, and I would like to know if it is true. Thanks, Glen -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
PESO - If a tree fell ....
Check out http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html Comments appreciated - thanks in advance. Kenneth Waller http://tinyurl.com/272u2f -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Film Gone?
Just what I had suspected, Adam. This dealer sounded like a phony, anyway. Thanks, Glen On Sep 5, 2007, at 11:37 AM, Adam Maas wrote: The dealer is full of shit (as usual on this subject, Dealers seem to say this a lot). Fuji remains heavily committed to film, and even Kodak (which has been making occasional noises about the death of film) has just updated the Portra line. -Adam Glen Tortorella wrote: Hi all, Is it true that both Fuji and Kodak have announced plans to stop producing film? A dealer mentioned this to me, and I would like to know if it is true. Thanks, Glen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Film Gone?
Indeed... Glen On Sep 5, 2007, at 12:28 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: The Harvard MBA's that run Kodak would love to stop making film, (short sighted bastards that they are), but Fuji seems to be fully committed to film for the foreseeable future. Your salesdroid has been reading too much crap on the Internet. Glen Tortorella wrote: Hi all, Is it true that both Fuji and Kodak have announced plans to stop producing film? A dealer mentioned this to me, and I would like to know if it is true. Thanks, Glen -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Sometimes it's hard to shoot Pentax
Foveon X3 in K10D? Tom C. From: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Sometimes it's hard to shoot Pentax Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:35:51 -0400 These are excellent comments, Brendan. You highlight many important issues we Pentaxians face...and things we feel. Regards, Glen On Sep 4, 2007, at 11:24 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote: So, after my fruitless search for the 16-50mm f2.8 over the last coupe of days (except for the 5 available from the guy in Tokyo on eBay, for $1,185.00US), I decided to take a deep breath and not worry about it for now. I took a drive down to a local camera shop in Sacramento to pick up a couple white background rolls and listen to the radio on the way. At some point I was reminded about this months' issue of Outdoor Photographer. In it, they reviewed the K10D touting its unique Foveon X3 chip (see inset, pg. 92). Suddenly, those old feelings of being abused crept back into my head drowning out Boston's More than a feeling. I got to the shop and found my rolls of Arctic White 53 x 36' I was needing. I took a look around and wasn't suprised to see everything but Pentax on the shelves. So, I asked one of the salesmen, Do you guys carry any new Pentax stuff? No, sorry. You must be one of the last people to still shoot Pentax. Hum, that's a damn shame, I said, if you did I buy one of their new lenses from you. I thought my point was obvious. Well, only about 1 in a 1000 people ever ask about Pentax anymore, he said as if his math were valid. That may be, but some of their new gear is quite good, ya know, I said not knowing that he really didn't know and was even less interested in what I was about to say. The K10D has been making some waves and they have some great new lenses coming out for it. Well, I don't know anthing about it, I haven't read any of the reviews on it, and I don't make those decisions anyway the owner does. There's a lot of great gear out there that we don't carry. At that point he handed me the charge slip to sign and I took my yellow copy and left. It's a sad thing though. I really used to get such a kick out of going to camera stores. Not so much anymore. -Brendan __ __ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Getting the News
Well done. I especially like the DOF chosen. Kenneth Waller http://tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Marco Alpert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO - Getting the News http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo07/peso6.html Comments, as always, welcomed. -Marco -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Pink Sun Banding
I don'T know from VPN. (?) Jack --- Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 06/09/07, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This AM my wife told me there was a pretty pink sun rising. I shot it as a lark, really, but am surprised to see the degree of vertical banding accross the frame. Thought that was dealt with through a firmware download some time back. This is likely a supreme test, however. Opinions? No that's the VPN that you shouldn't worry about because some people with K10Ds haven't experienced it ;-( -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/PESO http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Sometimes it's hard to shoot Pentax
It could be worse, the last full service shop, within reasonable driving distance, carries Pentax. There's one salesman in particular who while perfictly willing to show you a K10d K100d etc., makes a point that he's sold x number of them but, y number were returned by unhappy customers, (never mentions exactly why they were unhappy though). Last time I was there I got to handle a K10D. I was impressed. I got to compare it too a both Nikon D200 a D80 and a Canon Rebal XTI, (They were out of the posher Canons at the time). I was still impressed especially for the price. However while he didn't try to push the other brands as he knows I have a raft of Pentax Glass, he still had to make a point of those unhappy customers. I've decided to buy the K10D from BH... Brendan MacRae wrote: So, after my fruitless search for the 16-50mm f2.8 over the last coupe of days (except for the 5 available from the guy in Tokyo on eBay, for $1,185.00US), I decided to take a deep breath and not worry about it for now. I took a drive down to a local camera shop in Sacramento to pick up a couple white background rolls and listen to the radio on the way. At some point I was reminded about this months' issue of Outdoor Photographer. In it, they reviewed the K10D touting its unique Foveon X3 chip (see inset, pg. 92). Suddenly, those old feelings of being abused crept back into my head drowning out Boston's More than a feeling. I got to the shop and found my rolls of Arctic White 53 x 36' I was needing. I took a look around and wasn't suprised to see everything but Pentax on the shelves. So, I asked one of the salesmen, Do you guys carry any new Pentax stuff? No, sorry. You must be one of the last people to still shoot Pentax. Hum, that's a damn shame, I said, if you did I buy one of their new lenses from you. I thought my point was obvious. Well, only about 1 in a 1000 people ever ask about Pentax anymore, he said as if his math were valid. That may be, but some of their new gear is quite good, ya know, I said not knowing that he really didn't know and was even less interested in what I was about to say. The K10D has been making some waves and they have some great new lenses coming out for it. Well, I don't know anthing about it, I haven't read any of the reviews on it, and I don't make those decisions anyway the owner does. There's a lot of great gear out there that we don't carry. At that point he handed me the charge slip to sign and I took my yellow copy and left. It's a sad thing though. I really used to get such a kick out of going to camera stores. Not so much anymore. -Brendan Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Sometimes it's hard to shoot Pentax
You spend a decade or two making ho-hum cameras, and that is what your market image becomes. It is far harder to overcome a image like that than it is to start from scratch. Strangely, there is an immense amount of merchandising research results published but I have found that most people selling things seem never to have read any of it. Also I have in my retailing experience come across a whole lot of managers who do not want to order hot selling merchandise because it makes more work for them; needless to say they are not getting part of the profits. Brendan MacRae wrote: It's a sad thing though. I really used to get such a kick out of going to camera stores. Not so much anymore. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Pink Sun Banding
I'll call it digital gas..for now. We still have a fairly dense high fog, so think I'll try another shot. Sun, however, is not a bright area rather than a disk. Don't feel the original warrants any PS time, but thanks, Paul. Jack --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice shot. I would paint the banding out of the pic. As to the cause, could be a one-time hiccup. Digital s__t happens. Paul -- Original message -- From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] This AM my wife told me there was a pretty pink sun rising. I shot it as a lark, really, but am surprised to see the degree of vertical banding accross the frame. Thought that was dealt with through a firmware download some time back. This is likely a supreme test, however. Opinions? http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=233 Hand held, 100 ISO, spot metered on sun, f/5.6, 1/750-1/1000(?) Jack Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Metering Question
Frankly, I find multi-segment metering to be not too different than center-weighted metering. I say this from an anecdotal basis not one of measurement. In the end the expected exposure is supposed to hopefully be overall best possible exposure. The thing is, the camera is not smart enough to know what is background, what is foreground, what is the main subject vs. what is simply there. I almost always compensate for backlighting, snow scenes, dark backgrounds, etc., when shooting in multi-segment mode and when in center-weighted mode. A more generic, evenly lighted, evenly toned composition may not need any compensation at all. Tom C. From: Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Metering Question Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 19:49:51 -0500 Glen, My opinion - multi segment is touted as special and more accurate. I learned to shoot and compensate for lighting on an ME and a Super Program. Both are center weighted and give predictable responses to special situations. I never got used to multi segment metering. I'm sure the readings were good, but the computer integration of the results was un-predictable to me. I find myself preferring spot or center-weighted to this day. Something akin to Plant a radish, get a radish... Regards, Bob S. On 9/4/07, Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Is multi-segment metering always better than center-weighted metering? My ZX-M has TTL multi (2)-segment metering, while my Super Program has open aperture, TTL center-weighted metering. From what I know about the matter, multi-segment is more precise, but I thought I would inquire about this, as I am not an expert. Thanks, Glen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Nice to know
Oh, I am sorry Peter, I attributed your comments as a smart ass reply, obviously I was wrong. P. J. Alling wrote: Thanks for the straw man Graywolf. Tom, being halfway to the North pole from the equator is no more obvious than being half way to the North Pole from the South Pole. Hell the sign could have meant that they were half way to the north pole from Denver CO. With no further information available. graywolf wrote: You are being a smart ass, Peter. One, would with no other reference, figure it was from zero latitude, if it was from anything else a reference would be needed. Reference from zero can always be assumed. Not too far from from my apartment is a sign that says Eastern Continental Divide 3360 ft. Are you going to ask 3360 feet from what or, are you going to assume above mean sea level? Of course I imagine there are people who would see Wendy's sign and think, That sign is 10 miles from my house so the North Pole must be 10 miles from here, but I would think such a person was pretty ignorant. P. J. Alling wrote: So you're really 1/4 of the way to the North Pole, if you're starting from the South Pole... wendy beard wrote: The equator. I know that, because there is a sign on the other side of the road (southbound) telling me I'm halfway to the equator :-) On 9/4/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To which I as the question, starting from where? wendy beard wrote: http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/85028122 (sorry, darkside camera) Wendy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Sometimes it's hard to shoot Pentax
What, you believe everything you read? Sturgeons law needs to be updated, to 90% of everything on the Internet is crud. Tom C wrote: Foveon X3 in K10D? Tom C. From: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Sometimes it's hard to shoot Pentax Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:35:51 -0400 These are excellent comments, Brendan. You highlight many important issues we Pentaxians face...and things we feel. Regards, Glen On Sep 4, 2007, at 11:24 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote: So, after my fruitless search for the 16-50mm f2.8 over the last coupe of days (except for the 5 available from the guy in Tokyo on eBay, for $1,185.00US), I decided to take a deep breath and not worry about it for now. I took a drive down to a local camera shop in Sacramento to pick up a couple white background rolls and listen to the radio on the way. At some point I was reminded about this months' issue of Outdoor Photographer. In it, they reviewed the K10D touting its unique Foveon X3 chip (see inset, pg. 92). Suddenly, those old feelings of being abused crept back into my head drowning out Boston's More than a feeling. I got to the shop and found my rolls of Arctic White 53 x 36' I was needing. I took a look around and wasn't suprised to see everything but Pentax on the shelves. So, I asked one of the salesmen, Do you guys carry any new Pentax stuff? No, sorry. You must be one of the last people to still shoot Pentax. Hum, that's a damn shame, I said, if you did I buy one of their new lenses from you. I thought my point was obvious. Well, only about 1 in a 1000 people ever ask about Pentax anymore, he said as if his math were valid. That may be, but some of their new gear is quite good, ya know, I said not knowing that he really didn't know and was even less interested in what I was about to say. The K10D has been making some waves and they have some great new lenses coming out for it. Well, I don't know anthing about it, I haven't read any of the reviews on it, and I don't make those decisions anyway the owner does. There's a lot of great gear out there that we don't carry. At that point he handed me the charge slip to sign and I took my yellow copy and left. It's a sad thing though. I really used to get such a kick out of going to camera stores. Not so much anymore. -Brendan __ __ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Metering Question
'Tis true :-) Glen On Sep 5, 2007, at 12:26 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: The sad fact is that when Kodak or Fuji doesn't stop making film shortly the salesdroid will probably no longer be working there so you can't go rub his nose in it. Glen Tortorella wrote: Thanks...I will check the Web page you mention. I just spoke to a dealer, and he was quite puzzled as to why I would want a Pentax ZX-5n--or any film camera. He said that both Kodak and Fuji will soon stop making film. So, are we wasting our time discussing useless antiques (i.e. ZX-5ns, ZX-Ms, etc.)? Thanks, Glen On Sep 5, 2007, at 10:58 AM, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: Well, actually there are a few more differences, like bracketing, viewfinder,...as I said in my previous post, take a look at Boz's site for a complete list: http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/ And yes, the 5n accepts the battery pack (I would say that all the MZ's except for the MZ-S accept it...) Regards, Jaume - Mensaje original De: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: miércoles, 5 de septiembre, 2007 16:46:13 Asunto: Re: Metering Question Thanks...does the ZX-5n accept the FG battery pack (AA, like on the ZX-M)? Thanks again, Glen On Sep 5, 2007, at 10:07 AM, John Whittingham wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 07:03:25 -0700 (PDT), Jaume Lahuerta wrote Normally there is a setting that lets you switch between multisegment, CW and spot metering. (Spot is when the reading is taken only in a small circle in the center of the image). Unfortunately, the MZ-M (ZX-M in the US) does not have it, and this is one of the reasos for my upgrade to the MZ-5n (ZX-5n), a more advanced camera with AF, built-in flash and 3 metering options (the multi-segment also has more different segments into account). The interface of the camera is the same classic type as the MZ-M though, so you feel at home when handling one. It also has better build quality, metal lens mount etc compared to the MZ-M Regards, john --- -- - -- The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. --- -- - -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ __ Sé un Mejor Amante del Cine ¿Quieres saber cómo? ¡Deja que otras personas te ayuden! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/reto/entretenimiento.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - If a tree fell ....
Tree trunks come off fairly purple on my monitor. Nice setting. Jack --- Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html Comments appreciated - thanks in advance. Kenneth Waller http://tinyurl.com/272u2f -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Sometimes it's hard to shoot Pentax
I won't buy a K10D until they get rid of the VPN Jack just showed us. Producing results like that is akin to reaching into a box of 3-year old expired film that's been sitting out in the sun, blindfolded, loading it in your camera and expecting something decent. Tom C. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Sometimes it's hard to shoot Pentax Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 12:42:17 -0400 It could be worse, the last full service shop, within reasonable driving distance, carries Pentax. There's one salesman in particular who while perfictly willing to show you a K10d K100d etc., makes a point that he's sold x number of them but, y number were returned by unhappy customers, (never mentions exactly why they were unhappy though). Last time I was there I got to handle a K10D. I was impressed. I got to compare it too a both Nikon D200 a D80 and a Canon Rebal XTI, (They were out of the posher Canons at the time). I was still impressed especially for the price. However while he didn't try to push the other brands as he knows I have a raft of Pentax Glass, he still had to make a point of those unhappy customers. I've decided to buy the K10D from BH... Brendan MacRae wrote: So, after my fruitless search for the 16-50mm f2.8 over the last coupe of days (except for the 5 available from the guy in Tokyo on eBay, for $1,185.00US), I decided to take a deep breath and not worry about it for now. I took a drive down to a local camera shop in Sacramento to pick up a couple white background rolls and listen to the radio on the way. At some point I was reminded about this months' issue of Outdoor Photographer. In it, they reviewed the K10D touting its unique Foveon X3 chip (see inset, pg. 92). Suddenly, those old feelings of being abused crept back into my head drowning out Boston's More than a feeling. I got to the shop and found my rolls of Arctic White 53 x 36' I was needing. I took a look around and wasn't suprised to see everything but Pentax on the shelves. So, I asked one of the salesmen, Do you guys carry any new Pentax stuff? No, sorry. You must be one of the last people to still shoot Pentax. Hum, that's a damn shame, I said, if you did I buy one of their new lenses from you. I thought my point was obvious. Well, only about 1 in a 1000 people ever ask about Pentax anymore, he said as if his math were valid. That may be, but some of their new gear is quite good, ya know, I said not knowing that he really didn't know and was even less interested in what I was about to say. The K10D has been making some waves and they have some great new lenses coming out for it. Well, I don't know anthing about it, I haven't read any of the reviews on it, and I don't make those decisions anyway the owner does. There's a lot of great gear out there that we don't carry. At that point he handed me the charge slip to sign and I took my yellow copy and left. It's a sad thing though. I really used to get such a kick out of going to camera stores. Not so much anymore. -Brendan Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ -- Remember, its pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Re: OT - Cat Stew
A good rule of thumb in deer country (or any where else) is not to swerve to avoid animals in your vehicles path. Kenneth Waller http://tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: OT - Cat Stew I hit a large coyote with a minivan once, at about 75 miles per hour. It just ran into the highway at night, and afraid a sudden maneuver would flip the vehicle, I just tried to keep it away from the path of the tires and center the van. The impact cracked the plastic skirt under the front bumper and left some marks on the bumper itself. If it had been my bimmer, that would have been much worse, being much closer to the ground. My sister-in-law is a nurse and once she was called late at night due to a bad accident. A family of four lost three people due to the driver trying to avoid a raccoon crossing the highway and running their car off the highway and flipping it. On 9/5/07, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree. If you are going to control animal numbers and a cull is necessary, shooting - as long as it is with a rifle and not a shotgun (unless at point blank range) - is fine. As long as death is instant. Traps are a no-no. Anything that produces prolonged and sustained suffering is bad. Like aiming a car and running over a feral cat. The suffering will not only be the cat's. Hitting anything substantial at speed (unless you have something like a Defender) will result in major bodywork damage and expense. Bones will easily penetrate tyres. Having seen the almost complete rebuild required of a (metal) front end once, due to (accidental) impact with a hare, I do think the original statement was hyperbole. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - If a tree fell ....
Excellent shot. The composition is right on. Well done, as usual. -- Bruce Wednesday, September 5, 2007, 9:36:43 AM, you wrote: KW Check out KW http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html KW Comments appreciated - thanks in advance. KW Kenneth Waller KW http://tinyurl.com/272u2f -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - If a tree fell ....
Same here with the purple tinge. I like the composition but there is a certain degree of softness to the entire image that bothers me. Tom C. From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - If a tree fell Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 10:02:03 -0700 (PDT) Tree trunks come off fairly purple on my monitor. Nice setting. Jack --- Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html Comments appreciated - thanks in advance. Kenneth Waller http://tinyurl.com/272u2f -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Metering Question
Thank you very much for this input. I have considered these points. Your anecdotal reasoning seems rather sound. The common sense perspective would dictate: all metering systems have flaws, and the human mind far surpasses anything a camera can do. Thanks, Glen On Sep 5, 2007, at 12:29 PM, Tom Cakalic wrote: Frankly, I find multi-segment metering to be not too different than center-weighted metering. I say this from an anecdotal basis not one of measurement. In the end the expected exposure is supposed to hopefully be overall best possible exposure. The thing is, the camera is not smart enough to know what is background, what is foreground, what is the main subject vs. what is simply there. I almost always compensate for backlighting, snow scenes, dark backgrounds, etc., when shooting in multi-segment mode and when in center- weighted mode. A more generic, evenly lighted, evenly toned composition may not need any compensation at all. Tom C. From: Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Metering Question Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 19:49:51 -0500 Glen, My opinion - multi segment is touted as special and more accurate. I learned to shoot and compensate for lighting on an ME and a Super Program. Both are center weighted and give predictable responses to special situations. I never got used to multi segment metering. I'm sure the readings were good, but the computer integration of the results was un-predictable to me. I find myself preferring spot or center-weighted to this day. Something akin to Plant a radish, get a radish... Regards, Bob S. On 9/4/07, Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Is multi-segment metering always better than center-weighted metering? My ZX-M has TTL multi (2)-segment metering, while my Super Program has open aperture, TTL center-weighted metering. From what I know about the matter, multi-segment is more precise, but I thought I would inquire about this, as I am not an expert. Thanks, Glen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Nice to know
Well, I was kind of being a smart ass, but it was with a point. graywolf wrote: Oh, I am sorry Peter, I attributed your comments as a smart ass reply, obviously I was wrong. P. J. Alling wrote: Thanks for the straw man Graywolf. Tom, being halfway to the North pole from the equator is no more obvious than being half way to the North Pole from the South Pole. Hell the sign could have meant that they were half way to the north pole from Denver CO. With no further information available. graywolf wrote: You are being a smart ass, Peter. One, would with no other reference, figure it was from zero latitude, if it was from anything else a reference would be needed. Reference from zero can always be assumed. Not too far from from my apartment is a sign that says Eastern Continental Divide 3360 ft. Are you going to ask 3360 feet from what or, are you going to assume above mean sea level? Of course I imagine there are people who would see Wendy's sign and think, That sign is 10 miles from my house so the North Pole must be 10 miles from here, but I would think such a person was pretty ignorant. P. J. Alling wrote: So you're really 1/4 of the way to the North Pole, if you're starting from the South Pole... wendy beard wrote: The equator. I know that, because there is a sign on the other side of the road (southbound) telling me I'm halfway to the equator :-) On 9/4/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To which I as the question, starting from where? wendy beard wrote: http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/85028122 (sorry, darkside camera) Wendy -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Nice to know
So you're really 1/4 of the way to the North Pole, if you're starting from the South Pole... ? More like 3/4 of the way to the North Pole if you're starting from the South Pole. Kenneth Waller http://tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Nice to know So you're really 1/4 of the way to the North Pole, if you're starting from the South Pole... wendy beard wrote: The equator. I know that, because there is a sign on the other side of the road (southbound) telling me I'm halfway to the equator :-) On 9/4/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To which I as the question, starting from where? wendy beard wrote: http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/85028122 (sorry, darkside camera) Wendy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Sometimes it's hard to shoot Pentax
Obviously I didn't believe that. Tom C. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Sometimes it's hard to shoot Pentax Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 12:46:48 -0400 What, you believe everything you read? Sturgeons law needs to be updated, to 90% of everything on the Internet is crud. Tom C wrote: Foveon X3 in K10D? Tom C. From: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Sometimes it's hard to shoot Pentax Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:35:51 -0400 These are excellent comments, Brendan. You highlight many important issues we Pentaxians face...and things we feel. Regards, Glen On Sep 4, 2007, at 11:24 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote: So, after my fruitless search for the 16-50mm f2.8 over the last coupe of days (except for the 5 available from the guy in Tokyo on eBay, for $1,185.00US), I decided to take a deep breath and not worry about it for now. I took a drive down to a local camera shop in Sacramento to pick up a couple white background rolls and listen to the radio on the way. At some point I was reminded about this months' issue of Outdoor Photographer. In it, they reviewed the K10D touting its unique Foveon X3 chip (see inset, pg. 92). Suddenly, those old feelings of being abused crept back into my head drowning out Boston's More than a feeling. I got to the shop and found my rolls of Arctic White 53 x 36' I was needing. I took a look around and wasn't suprised to see everything but Pentax on the shelves. So, I asked one of the salesmen, Do you guys carry any new Pentax stuff? No, sorry. You must be one of the last people to still shoot Pentax. Hum, that's a damn shame, I said, if you did I buy one of their new lenses from you. I thought my point was obvious. Well, only about 1 in a 1000 people ever ask about Pentax anymore, he said as if his math were valid. That may be, but some of their new gear is quite good, ya know, I said not knowing that he really didn't know and was even less interested in what I was about to say. The K10D has been making some waves and they have some great new lenses coming out for it. Well, I don't know anthing about it, I haven't read any of the reviews on it, and I don't make those decisions anyway the owner does. There's a lot of great gear out there that we don't carry. At that point he handed me the charge slip to sign and I took my yellow copy and left. It's a sad thing though. I really used to get such a kick out of going to camera stores. Not so much anymore. -Brendan __ __ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Remember, its pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
