Re: Grand Prix K10D?
Good point!! I'll let you know how it's done when I've got the back open. On 26/09/2007, Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Winder! Man, I didn't know I could load film into the d camera! BTW the extra batteri unit is excellent. It's great to have two batteries - at leas one of them will always work. Regards Jens Bladt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Organizational Software
Lightroom can do all that quite easily. -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Dayton Sent: 26 September 2007 23:50 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Organizational Software My wife is getting serious about trying to organize all our photos. I have most of them scanned and the past several years have all been digital. So on the plus side, we can work in one medium for the moment. She would like to organize images by child, by event, by date, etc. Then be able to access the images for some type of use - printing, making galleries, making scrapbooks electronically, etc. So there would need to be other programs to import an image and she would need to be able to find it. So if the organization was in a proprietary file or something, external programs may not be able to deal with it. That would make the organizing less useful. So once organized, she might say, I want to make a gallery of the highlights of the past year. So whatever software we use to make online galleries would be loaded and she would want to find all the files for the past year and browse through and choose some for the gallery. Or she might say I want prints of the last ice skating competition. She would need to be able to find the photos and put them on disk or some directory for uploading or some such. We are using Windows XP - so the organizing software would need to work with it. Any ideas would be helpful. -- Best regards, Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Pentax Gallery Resignation
Cotty has always striven to be the least competitive person. If he finds someone less competitive than himself, he works and works, and trains and trains until he is less competitive than the other person. He can't stand it if someone is less competitive than himself. -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Boris Liberman Sent: 27 September 2007 05:08 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation Strange. I really thought that you were rather competitive person, Cotty. I am fairly competitive, but in photography I don't feel any desire to prove anything. So I don't really participate in competitions... Boris Cotty wrote: On 26/09/07, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: so I'll continue shooting, with or without The PENTAX Photo Gallery. Hey Frank. Welcome to my life :-) I entered a photographic competition once. It was the first and last time. Absolutely never again. I only ever make pics for one person: me. If someone else likes them, too bad ;-) I suspect you are the same. I raise a glass to you sir. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
On 27/09/07, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: Cotty has always striven to be the least competitive person. If he finds someone less competitive than himself, he works and works, and trains and trains until he is less competitive than the other person. He can't stand it if someone is less competitive than himself. Also, I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
On 27/09/07, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: I really thought that you were rather competitive person, Cotty. I am fairly competitive, but in photography I don't feel any desire to prove anything. So I don't really participate in competitions... My competitive side extends solely to my professional life. Needs must. Beyond that, I'm not a keen advocate of the 'I am better than you and I would like it personally vindicated' philosophy. Actually I see any photographic competition as utterly pointless. To encourage creativity? Loada bollux! I can just about understand the need for people to want to belong to something they believe in, or would like to be a part of, but anything that by nature is exclusive does not get my support or interest. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Question about FA 28-105 f/4-5.6 IF, Tamron vs. Pentax
Hi All, I had the SMC-P version of this lens on my K10D when it decided it would rather bounce off the concrete floor than stay in my hand. I replaced it with the Tamron version (got a good price on it, and couldn't find the SMC-P variant anywhere). But I am finding (based on my first few test shots) that the Tamron version is much, much less sharp than the Pentax. They appear identical, and claimed by many to be the same lens optically. Flare isn't an issue in these shots, so I wouldn't expect it to be related to the coatings. Has anyone tried both versions of this lens? Or can anyone reassure me that they should achieve the same sharpness and this example is just defective (or not)? Thanks, david -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times
From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/09/26 Wed PM 09:44:39 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times Why is it so interesting? I see nothing that makes any difference to anyone but a few folks who want to be taken for pundits. The lighting shows that the sun was more overhead in the second photo, but if the photographer was into faking his photos, he could well have lied about the time he took them. It reminds me of the title to one of Shakespeare's plays, Much ado about nothing. But. I love the comment near the bottom referring to removal because of commanders not wanting their tanks to run over cannon balls. Subject: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times http://tinyurl.com/2oczre - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
From: ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/09/27 Thu AM 03:24:42 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation Gonz wrote: Oops that should have been family Leporidae. I'm not sure whether Frank is a Rabbit or a Hare. wabbit ann Variety: scwewy. On 9/26/07, Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank, didn't you read the fine print? In Title 9, section 4, paragraph 110, Item b) : No work shall be accepted from the class Lepus and all its associated species and subspecies. =:) On 9/26/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Copy of e-mail recently sent to The Pentax Gallery: Sirs/Mesdames, I may be an accepted artist of the PENTAX Photo Gallery, however, my first 12 photos have been rejected. As of the date of this e-mail, there are three pending. It is obvious that somewhere along the selection process, someone or some group feels that my photos are not up to the Pentax Photo Gallery standards. Accordingly, I will be deleting the three photos still pending. Please feel free remove me from your list of accepted artists. Thank you for the opportunity to submit my photos. regards, frank theriault cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
Frank, I think your photographs are beautiful. Screw the gallery. rg2 On 9/27/07, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/09/27 Thu AM 03:24:42 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation Gonz wrote: Oops that should have been family Leporidae. I'm not sure whether Frank is a Rabbit or a Hare. wabbit ann Variety: scwewy. On 9/26/07, Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank, didn't you read the fine print? In Title 9, section 4, paragraph 110, Item b) : No work shall be accepted from the class Lepus and all its associated species and subspecies. =:) On 9/26/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Copy of e-mail recently sent to The Pentax Gallery: Sirs/Mesdames, I may be an accepted artist of the PENTAX Photo Gallery, however, my first 12 photos have been rejected. As of the date of this e-mail, there are three pending. It is obvious that somewhere along the selection process, someone or some group feels that my photos are not up to the Pentax Photo Gallery standards. Accordingly, I will be deleting the three photos still pending. Please feel free remove me from your list of accepted artists. Thank you for the opportunity to submit my photos. regards, frank theriault cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- the subject of a photograph is far less important than its composition -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Decisions made
On 9/26/07, Norm Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, but in the end you won't respect yourself. You'll find out the money is not worth it... Norm So you'v been an escort to then.:-) Dave David J Brooks wrote: And your point is.. Dave On 9/26/07, Norm Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave - don't do it, it's immoral, illegal and you will burn in hell... Norm David J Brooks wrote: I have decided, right or wrong, to go with the escort job. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times
If you read the article a quote from the photographer about a fuse would imply at least some were exploding shells, Doug Franklin wrote: Tom C wrote: To your question... Where then are the craters from the canon balls that must have landed *off* the road, in the likely softer soil? I would guess they don't really weigh THAT much and were moving at a relatively low velocity. How much is THAT much? :-) They could easily be ten or fifteen pounds each, even if they're small. However, they were most likely solid shot. Anything with a charge in it was interesting to harvest. Without getting into too much detail, the shot was most often fired from close to the ground on a fairly low angle. Solid shot in that situation had a propensity to skip for a while and then roll across the ground for quite a distance after the first impact, depending on what it hit in the meantime. It wasn't a good idea to have your ranks lined up very deeply when facing that sort of artillery. Even at low velocity, getting hit with a ten or fifteen pound wad iron couldn't be much fun. Heck, the muzzle velocity was low enough on some of those guns that if the shot was anywhere near right at you, you could watch the ball coming. -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Grand Prix K10D?
A band saw will probably help you in that endeavor. Peter Fairweather wrote: Good point!! I'll let you know how it's done when I've got the back open. On 26/09/2007, Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Winder! Man, I didn't know I could load film into the d camera! BTW the extra batteri unit is excellent. It's great to have two batteries - at leas one of them will always work. Regards Jens Bladt -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times
For some the world began the day they were born and will end the day they die, and has always been as it is. mike wilson wrote: From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/09/26 Wed PM 09:44:39 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times Why is it so interesting? I see nothing that makes any difference to anyone but a few folks who want to be taken for pundits. The lighting shows that the sun was more overhead in the second photo, but if the photographer was into faking his photos, he could well have lied about the time he took them. It reminds me of the title to one of Shakespeare's plays, Much ado about nothing. But. I love the comment near the bottom referring to removal because of commanders not wanting their tanks to run over cannon balls. Subject: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times http://tinyurl.com/2oczre - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times
mike wilson wrote: But. I love the comment near the bottom referring to removal because of commanders not wanting their tanks to run over cannon balls. Tanks? In the Crimean war? Surely the fighter-bombers would have taken them out easily? ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Grand Prix K10D?
A hammer cold chisel would be more entertaining. Cheers, Dave On 9/27/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A band saw will probably help you in that endeavor. Peter Fairweather wrote: Good point!! I'll let you know how it's done when I've got the back open. On 26/09/2007, Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Winder! Man, I didn't know I could load film into the d camera! BTW the extra batteri unit is excellent. It's great to have two batteries - at leas one of them will always work. Regards -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
On 9/27/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Actually I see any photographic competition as utterly pointless. snip I agree 100%! Funny thing is, I didn't see The Pentax Gallery as a competition. I thought that as long as the photos met a minimum standard, they were in, and it would be a cool place from which to show photos. I didn't see it as grading or rating photos, merely accepting. I think it's that misconception that pisses me off most. I didn't understand it as a competition at all, and clearly it is. I know my photos aren't all pretty or pleasing or spectacular, so really they don't stand a chance against some that are in the gallery, but I have to admit to feeling a bit stung when I saw some rather banal, ordinary photos that got accepted, while mine all got the boot. It may be that these other photos were accepted early, when there were far fewer voters, and the gallery needed photos, but it certainly points to a glaring inconsitency in the acceptance procedure, IMHO. Too bad, because had it been set up properly, it could have been fun. Having everything rejected isn't fun at all... cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
No way it could be stated any better, Frank. Their not having anticipating a volume crunch is, however, hard to imagine. Could be they consider accepted artist voting a handy explanation..if needed. When 'proven' laudable work is summarily declined, incentive wanes. Jack --- frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/27/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Actually I see any photographic competition as utterly pointless. snip I agree 100%! Funny thing is, I didn't see The Pentax Gallery as a competition. I thought that as long as the photos met a minimum standard, they were in, and it would be a cool place from which to show photos. I didn't see it as grading or rating photos, merely accepting. I think it's that misconception that pisses me off most. I didn't understand it as a competition at all, and clearly it is. I know my photos aren't all pretty or pleasing or spectacular, so really they don't stand a chance against some that are in the gallery, but I have to admit to feeling a bit stung when I saw some rather banal, ordinary photos that got accepted, while mine all got the boot. It may be that these other photos were accepted early, when there were far fewer voters, and the gallery needed photos, but it certainly points to a glaring inconsitency in the acceptance procedure, IMHO. Too bad, because had it been set up properly, it could have been fun. Having everything rejected isn't fun at all... cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
I can just about understand the need for people to want to belong to something they believe in, or would like to be a part of, but anything that by nature is exclusive does not get my support or interest. Cheers, Cotty 2000 people from the PDML will show up at your local pub tomorrow, blocking the door so you can't get in and quaff your thirst with a pint. Then we'll see how you feel about exclusive. ;-) Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
What's *hard* to imagine about Pentax? Tom C. From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 06:58:49 -0700 (PDT) No way it could be stated any better, Frank. Their not having anticipating a volume crunch is, however, hard to imagine. Could be they consider accepted artist voting a handy explanation..if needed. When 'proven' laudable work is summarily declined, incentive wanes. Jack --- frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/27/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Actually I see any photographic competition as utterly pointless. snip I agree 100%! Funny thing is, I didn't see The Pentax Gallery as a competition. I thought that as long as the photos met a minimum standard, they were in, and it would be a cool place from which to show photos. I didn't see it as grading or rating photos, merely accepting. I think it's that misconception that pisses me off most. I didn't understand it as a competition at all, and clearly it is. I know my photos aren't all pretty or pleasing or spectacular, so really they don't stand a chance against some that are in the gallery, but I have to admit to feeling a bit stung when I saw some rather banal, ordinary photos that got accepted, while mine all got the boot. It may be that these other photos were accepted early, when there were far fewer voters, and the gallery needed photos, but it certainly points to a glaring inconsitency in the acceptance procedure, IMHO. Too bad, because had it been set up properly, it could have been fun. Having everything rejected isn't fun at all... cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
Tom, what time is this meet... I have a production rehearsal at 7 PM EST...so with the travel time to the U.K it's going to tighten up my day considerably... - Original Message - From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:55 AM Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation I can just about understand the need for people to want to belong to something they believe in, or would like to be a part of, but anything that by nature is exclusive does not get my support or interest. Cheers, Cotty 2000 people from the PDML will show up at your local pub tomorrow, blocking the door so you can't get in and quaff your thirst with a pint. Then we'll see how you feel about exclusive. ;-) Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: 9/26/2007 8:20 PM -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times
From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/09/27 Thu PM 12:04:45 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times mike wilson wrote: But. I love the comment near the bottom referring to removal because of commanders not wanting their tanks to run over cannon balls. Tanks? In the Crimean war? Surely the fighter-bombers would have taken them out easily? ;-) Not Yak-3 just Yak? (I really shouldn't have written that. Now Cotty will have the horn again.) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
Fascinating (in Mr Spock of Vulcan way)... I tend to agree with you on most of the sentiments you expressed. In fact, I kind of thought it would be competitive (the Pentax gallery thingie) from the start. Given the fact that the submitted work is filtered by someone else immediately implies that there are criteria to be met. And here we have it - the competition. Boris Cotty wrote: On 27/09/07, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: I really thought that you were rather competitive person, Cotty. I am fairly competitive, but in photography I don't feel any desire to prove anything. So I don't really participate in competitions... My competitive side extends solely to my professional life. Needs must. Beyond that, I'm not a keen advocate of the 'I am better than you and I would like it personally vindicated' philosophy. Actually I see any photographic competition as utterly pointless. To encourage creativity? Loada bollux! I can just about understand the need for people to want to belong to something they believe in, or would like to be a part of, but anything that by nature is exclusive does not get my support or interest. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
LOL Cory. :-) Tom C. From: cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:09:46 -0400 Tom, what time is this meet... I have a production rehearsal at 7 PM EST...so with the travel time to the U.K it's going to tighten up my day considerably... - Original Message - From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:55 AM Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation I can just about understand the need for people to want to belong to something they believe in, or would like to be a part of, but anything that by nature is exclusive does not get my support or interest. Cheers, Cotty 2000 people from the PDML will show up at your local pub tomorrow, blocking the door so you can't get in and quaff your thirst with a pint. Then we'll see how you feel about exclusive. ;-) Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: 9/26/2007 8:20 PM -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
From: ann sanfedele Gonz wrote: Oops that should have been family Leporidae. I'm not sure whether Frank is a Rabbit or a Hare. wabbit A wascally wabbit? he-he-e-e-e -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Developer Turned Black [Was: Sad state of Photo Stores]
The cheapest preservative is your own exhaled breath. Just hold your breath for about 10 seconds to get a higher level of CO2, and then slowly exhale as much as you can into the bottle. The longer you exhale the richer the CO2 concentration will be. CO2 is heavier than oxygen, so as long as the bottle is not moved about it settles onto the surface of the liquid as a kind of floating lid. This way, I've kept stock solutions unspoiled for many times their expected shelf life. Dark bottles or a dark storage area will help developers, especially if you return used developer to the stock solution which causes a bromide buildup; good for soft highlights, rich shadows and fine grain but apt to darken the developer if exposed to excessive light. Regards, Anthony Farr -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Blakely Sent: Thursday, 27 September 2007 9:33 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Developer Turned Black [Was: Sad state of Photo Stores] It would be nice if the bottles had bladders so that they could be capped half used without any air to oxidize the contents. Regards, Bob... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Travel Lenses
From: Boris Liberman FWIW, if going on travel and forced to take just one lens, it would be Tamron 28-75/2.8 for me. If not limited to just one lens I'd probably take three limiteds and a wide zoom. Cheers! The time I was forced to travel light recently, I carried a 28-70 f/2.8 80-200 f/2.8 along with a 1.4x converter. Those lenses will cover full frame. I carried an *ist-D with a PZ-1P for backup. Found that didn't do enough for me on the wide end, so I found a dealer and added the 18-35 FAJ lens while on the road. OTOH, I'm leaving tomorrow for 16 days in the American Southwest, driving from the east coast so I won't have to worry about weight/space restrictions. Planning to take the above kit for K10D [with the *ist-D as backup now] augmented with a 300 f/2.8, 100A f/2.8 macro, and, of course, the PZ-1P. I'll also take my LX kit [K1000 for backup] with a 24A f/2.8, 35A f/2.0, 50M f/1.4 100M f/2.8. ... plus a medium format kit and a large format [4x5] kit. I guess I'm just the Howard Johnson's of travel photography. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Travel Lenses
I would probably go with primes, a 24, a 43, and a 77 or 135. Evan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
On Sep 27, 2007, at 12:09 AM, Cotty wrote: My competitive side extends solely to my professional life. Needs must. Beyond that, I'm not a keen advocate of the 'I am better than you and I would like it personally vindicated' philosophy. Actually I see any photographic competition as utterly pointless. To encourage creativity? Loada bollux! I can just about understand the need for people to want to belong to something they believe in, or would like to be a part of, but anything that by nature is exclusive does not get my support or interest. I agree completely. I enter photos into exhibition contests on a regular basis as a part of my professional business. It's a crap shoot ... anyone with any sense realizes that a competition of this sort is 100% subjective whimsy on the part of the juror committee. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
- Original Message - From: Jack Davis Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation No way it could be stated any better, Frank. Their not having anticipating a volume crunch is, however, hard to imagine. Could be they consider accepted artist voting a handy explanation..if needed. When 'proven' laudable work is summarily declined, incentive wanes. snip Actually I see any photographic competition as utterly pointless. snip I agree 100%! Funny thing is, I didn't see The Pentax Gallery as a competition. I thought that as long as the photos met a minimum standard, they were in, and it would be a cool place from which to show photos. I didn't see it as grading or rating photos, merely accepting. I think it's that misconception that pisses me off most. I didn't understand it as a competition at all, and clearly it is. I know my photos aren't all pretty or pleasing or spectacular, so really they don't stand a chance against some that are in the gallery, but I have to admit to feeling a bit stung when I saw some rather banal, ordinary photos that got accepted, while mine all got the boot. It may be that these other photos were accepted early, when there were far fewer voters, and the gallery needed photos, but it certainly points to a glaring inconsitency in the acceptance procedure, IMHO. Too bad, because had it been set up properly, it could have been fun. Having everything rejected isn't fun at all... It's unfortunate that you believe that getting your photos to meet a minimum standard isn't a competition. Any time someone puts up a bar that you need to clear to get a reward, it is a competition. Just because you aren't competing with another person, doesn't mean you aren't competing, it just means that the rules of the competition are such that you are competing against a standard. OTOH, I really do think the people running the gallery totally buggered up when they changed the acceptance procedure into a peer based popularity contest. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times
From: Tom C I thought it was an interesting study in human nature, photography aside. We make assumptions and draw conclusions from what we see, or we parrot what we hear or read, and make statements as if they are indisputable, yet thinking a little harder... To your question... Where then are the craters from the canon balls that must have landed *off* the road, in the likely softer soil? It doesn't look like soft soil; looks like hard rocky dirt. Cannon balls would bounce and roll until their momentum was spent. Artillery didn't do much indirect fire in those days. Craters usually come from exploding shells. That looks like all solid shot. I would guess they don't really weigh THAT much and were moving at a relatively low velocity. Another alternate explanation could possibly be that the road, being relatively high, slightly sloped and comparatively smooth (less friction), allowed the canon balls to roll to the low point when they hit the road. An object in motion tends to stay in motion. Since they were likely all shot from the same direction and I would guess, at a relatively oblique angle, their momentum might be such to propel them off the road. I think the most likely explanation is the photograph of the cleared road is the later one. There are two military reasons for clearing the cannon balls from the road. First, the cannon balls may have been picked up by British soldiers and fired back at the Russians by British artillery. The author cites reports from other correspondents that the British did just that. Muzzle loading cannons don't require precisely fitted shells; the wadding holds the ball in place until the cannon is fired. And the British picked up the ones lying on the road because, soldiers being soldiers, it required less work than digging 'em out of whatever muck might have been in the ditches. That's also an argument for the photo of the cannon balls in the road being the first one, since it's unlikely the soldiers would have cooperated in such an unnecessary task of moving cannon balls into the road so he could take a photograph of them, especially since they'd just have to remove them again. Because the road would have to be cleared. That's the second military reason. If you want to be able to move horse drawn artillery (or cavalry, or any horse drawn equipment) down that road you've got to move those cannon balls. Cannon balls in the road wouldn't be much danger to the wagon wheels, but a horse could break a leg. And whether the British planned to move down that road or not, a good officer would be prepared for that possibility. I understand that at the company level at least the British did have some good officers. Good sergeants anyway. But you wouldn't need to move the cannon balls that were already off the road. Again, Tommy ain't gonna' do any unnecessary work. Hence photo number two showing the cleared road with all those cannon balls in the ditches. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times
From: P. J. Alling If you read the article a quote from the photographer about a fuse would imply at least some were exploding shells, Some, but not all, ... and exploding shells of that day often did not explode (or exploded too soon). Fused shells were not reliable. For one thing, there was a good chance the fuse would just get pulled out if the shell hadn't exploded by the time it hit the ground. But you can see that most of what's in the photos is solid shot. Any exploding shells that had actually exploded wouldn't look like solid shot, although the ones that didn't might. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
From: frank theriault n 9/27/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Actually I see any photographic competition as utterly pointless. snip I agree 100%! Unless the prize for the winning photograph is worth having. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times
Well I guess, my problem is that I consider news photos as editorial illustrations, not some super meaningful documentation. Strangely without captions those particular photos have no particular meaning at all, a dirt road somewhere with a bunch of round stones. The are called critics because they are critical you have to take anything they say with a grain of salt. If the Iwo Jima photo was taken in a studio in California is it an any less powerful image? Would it have less meaning to a people at war? It is easy to sit in our comfortable living rooms decades later and talk about it as if it were some kind of conspiracy, but it was a powerful wartime propaganda photo regardless of when and where and how it was taken. The error comes in thinking of news photos as some kind of archaeological documentation made for later generations. They are not, nor were they intended as such. Bob W wrote: it's important to challenge people who claim without evidence that important historical or journalistic photos, or writings or whatever are in some way fake or misleading. It's important because it is through history and news (which is after all only history with the ink still wet) that we gain our understanding of the world and our place in it. It is through news and history that we learn, so as not to repeat earlier mistakes, and only by being able to trust the sources of history and news is that possible. There always seem to be claims of fakery swirling around some of the most important news photos - the flag on Iwo Jima, Capa's Falling Soldier, now this one. I'm sure I could think of more if I put my mind to it. These claims, when false, undermine people's ability to trust news photography and play into the hands of people who wish to manipulate the news, history and us. On another level, if someone like Susan Sontag, a respected critic, was sloppy in the research on which she based an important book which has influenced many people's views on news photography, then we need to know about that because it must affect the way we look at all her writing, and the many consequences of her writing. -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of graywolf Sent: 26 September 2007 22:45 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times Why is it so interesting? I see nothing that makes any difference to anyone but a few folks who want to be taken for pundits. The lighting shows that the sun was more overhead in the second photo, but if the photographer was into faking his photos, he could well have lied about the time he took them. It reminds me of the title to one of Shakespeare's plays, Much ado about nothing. Subject: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times http://tinyurl.com/2oczre -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times
My point was that those that hadn't exploded wouldn't and would still look like solid shot. The would weigh considerably less than solid shot and would be even less likely than solid shot to create craters at the end of their flight.. Historically Russian shells were notoriously unreliable. (In an age when all shells were unreliable that's saying something). I guess you have to spell everything out. John Sessoms wrote: From: P. J. Alling If you read the article a quote from the photographer about a fuse would imply at least some were exploding shells, Some, but not all, ... and exploding shells of that day often did not explode (or exploded too soon). Fused shells were not reliable. For one thing, there was a good chance the fuse would just get pulled out if the shell hadn't exploded by the time it hit the ground. But you can see that most of what's in the photos is solid shot. Any exploding shells that had actually exploded wouldn't look like solid shot, although the ones that didn't might. -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
Well, Robb, I'm not surprised that it's being viewed as a competition. If one chooses to consider the accepted image count as a 'score' against which one is competing, then it's a competition. Your choice. Jack --- William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Jack Davis Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation No way it could be stated any better, Frank. Their not having anticipating a volume crunch is, however, hard to imagine. Could be they consider accepted artist voting a handy explanation..if needed. When 'proven' laudable work is summarily declined, incentive wanes. snip Actually I see any photographic competition as utterly pointless. snip I agree 100%! Funny thing is, I didn't see The Pentax Gallery as a competition. I thought that as long as the photos met a minimum standard, they were in, and it would be a cool place from which to show photos. I didn't see it as grading or rating photos, merely accepting. I think it's that misconception that pisses me off most. I didn't understand it as a competition at all, and clearly it is. I know my photos aren't all pretty or pleasing or spectacular, so really they don't stand a chance against some that are in the gallery, but I have to admit to feeling a bit stung when I saw some rather banal, ordinary photos that got accepted, while mine all got the boot. It may be that these other photos were accepted early, when there were far fewer voters, and the gallery needed photos, but it certainly points to a glaring inconsitency in the acceptance procedure, IMHO. Too bad, because had it been set up properly, it could have been fun. Having everything rejected isn't fun at all... It's unfortunate that you believe that getting your photos to meet a minimum standard isn't a competition. Any time someone puts up a bar that you need to clear to get a reward, it is a competition. Just because you aren't competing with another person, doesn't mean you aren't competing, it just means that the rules of the competition are such that you are competing against a standard. OTOH, I really do think the people running the gallery totally buggered up when they changed the acceptance procedure into a peer based popularity contest. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times
Not to mention the fact that he was scared as hell because he was under fire. It's illogical that he would go around picking up heavy solid shot to arrange a photo shoot. Norm John Sessoms wrote: I think the most likely explanation is the photograph of the cleared road is the later one. There are two military reasons for clearing the cannon balls from the road. First, the cannon balls may have been picked up by British soldiers and fired back at the Russians by British artillery. The author cites reports from other correspondents that the British did just that. Muzzle loading cannons don't require precisely fitted shells; the wadding holds the ball in place until the cannon is fired. And the British picked up the ones lying on the road because, soldiers being soldiers, it required less work than digging 'em out of whatever muck might have been in the ditches. That's also an argument for the photo of the cannon balls in the road being the first one, since it's unlikely the soldiers would have cooperated in such an unnecessary task of moving cannon balls into the road so he could take a photograph of them, especially since they'd just have to remove them again. Because the road would have to be cleared. That's the second military reason. If you want to be able to move horse drawn artillery (or cavalry, or any horse drawn equipment) down that road you've got to move those cannon balls. Cannon balls in the road wouldn't be much danger to the wagon wheels, but a horse could break a leg. And whether the British planned to move down that road or not, a good officer would be prepared for that possibility. I understand that at the company level at least the British did have some good officers. Good sergeants anyway. But you wouldn't need to move the cannon balls that were already off the road. Again, Tommy ain't gonna' do any unnecessary work. Hence photo number two showing the cleared road with all those cannon balls in the ditches. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Question about FA 28-105 f/4-5.6 IF, Tamron vs. Pentax
I've tried both versions, as well as a Promaster-branded version, and found the Pentax to be sharper as well. I'm fairly certain the primary difference is the coatings, since the Tamron rep hinted at that when I asked him about this very lens a few years ago. It could also be you ended up with a defective lens. John Quoting David Bliss [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi All, I had the SMC-P version of this lens on my K10D when it decided it would rather bounce off the concrete floor than stay in my hand. I replaced it with the Tamron version (got a good price on it, and couldn't find the SMC-P variant anywhere). But I am finding (based on my first few test shots) that the Tamron version is much, much less sharp than the Pentax. They appear identical, and claimed by many to be the same lens optically. Flare isn't an issue in these shots, so I wouldn't expect it to be related to the coatings. Has anyone tried both versions of this lens? Or can anyone reassure me that they should achieve the same sharpness and this example is just defective (or not)? Thanks, david -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times
On 27/09/07, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed: (I really shouldn't have written that. Now Cotty will have the horn again.) Those sentences give me the horn. (Might get my Derek and Clive DVD out tonight ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
On 27/09/07, Tom C, discombobulated, unleashed: 2000 people from the PDML will show up at your local pub tomorrow, blocking the door so you can't get in and quaff your thirst with a pint. Then we'll see how you feel about exclusive. ;-) Har!! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
On 27/09/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: Just because you aren't competing with another person, doesn't mean you aren't competing, it just means that the rules of the competition are such that you are competing against a standard. Question: how subjective is this standard? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
On 27/09/07, cbwaters, discombobulated, unleashed: Tom, what time is this meet... I have a production rehearsal at 7 PM EST...so with the travel time to the U.K it's going to tighten up my day considerably... Ceeb I think you'd like it over here. Ever been? We could show you a pretty nice stadium for starters -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
Actually, I consider I'm just vying for a favorable subjective opinion from da 'judge'. Jack --- Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27/09/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: Just because you aren't competing with another person, doesn't mean you aren't competing, it just means that the rules of the competition are such that you are competing against a standard. Question: how subjective is this standard? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/index.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Organizational Software
Lightroom does all this quite easily. G BD:: My wife is getting serious about trying to organize all our photos. I have most of them scanned and the past several years have all been digital. So on the plus side, we can work in one medium for the moment. She would like to organize images by child, by event, by date, etc. Then be able to access the images for some type of use - printing, making galleries, making scrapbooks electronically, etc. So there would need to be other programs to import an image and she would need to be able to find it. So if the organization was in a proprietary file or something, external programs may not be able to deal with it. That would make the organizing less useful. So once organized, she might say, I want to make a gallery of the highlights of the past year. So whatever software we use to make online galleries would be loaded and she would want to find all the files for the past year and browse through and choose some for the gallery. Or she might say I want prints of the last ice skating competition. She would need to be able to find the photos and put them on disk or some directory for uploading or some such. We are using Windows XP - so the organizing software would need to work with it. Any ideas would be helpful. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Grand Prix K10D?
Might leave the back alone. It took me 5 minutes to work out how to insert the SD card and that included reading the manual. The camera seems fine but it does feel bulky after the DS. Tomorrow I might even try taking a few pictures. I used to do a lot of that before I contract LBA from internet fora!! Regards Peter On 27/09/2007, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A hammer cold chisel would be more entertaining. Cheers, Dave On 9/27/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A band saw will probably help you in that endeavor. Peter Fairweather wrote: Good point!! I'll let you know how it's done when I've got the back open. On 26/09/2007, Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Winder! Man, I didn't know I could load film into the d camera! BTW the extra batteri unit is excellent. It's great to have two batteries - at leas one of them will always work. Regards -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Thinking of AF280T flash
All way too complicated. Gimme a manual flash and a flash meter. ;-) G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Thinking of AF280T flash
William Robb replied to my remark: I guess the bottom line is that dedicated by itself is an empty phrase. dedicated is not an absolute notion, but a relative one. it is relative to a (family) of camera body(s). Dedicated is an absolute term, and means that the flash will communicate with the camera body to set the shutter speed and aperture (in the case of programmed exposure cameras). This is by no means an empty phrase, though you probably would have needed to be around the camera industry 25 or so years ago to know what the original meaning was. [...] Thanks for reminding me. I recall the original meaning. 25 years or so ago I got my first slr (pentax me) and though I never possesed or used a pentax flash I tried to stay informed about new pentax stuff through the product brochures available at the photo shops - which included mention of dedicated features. Your (off the top of your hat?) categorization triggered a search for more detailed information, which I found in Dimitrovs pages. In particular at http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/technology/hot-shoe/ Flash Systems Evolution, Features and Operation. The categorization there is a bit more refined, and includes a specific category that resembles the Nikon example given earlier in this thread. Moreover it provides details about the evolution of the flash protocol, which I found quite informative. I'll spare you the details, but I'll include the categorization, with some info about what actually is (seems to be) exchanged in the flash protocol. manual flash - camera triggers flash to fire, using trigger contact dedicated flash - flash has additional 'ready' contact via which it tells camera it is fully charged. in response camera switches to X-sync speed, and lights flash symbold in viewfinder (if available). (also switches to some pre-programmed aperture?) auto flash - flash measures output and stops flash output to obtain accurate exposure, provided user selected right aperture on camera program flash - flash has additional 'mode' contact via which it tells the camera the 'brightness' it can output, which the camera, knowing (film) sensitivity, uses to set appropriate aperture. web page mentions 4 brightness levels + corresponding signal at 'mode' contact, measured from AF200T and AF080C. ttl flash - camera is able to tell flash when to stop output, by holding 'mode' contact low (0V) until sufficient light has reached the film plane. it is suggested that TTL sensor is always active, and stop output is sent to flash independent of mode that the flash is in, or even regardless of flash being attached to hot-shoe. digital control flash - flash has additional 'digital' contact over which a digital protocol is used to communicate things like aperture, focal length, AF activation, begin of travel of 2nd curtain, iso, maybe also subject distance etc. contrast control flash - uses multiple (2?) flashes, one as main light source, other as fill in, to weaken hard shadows that may result from single flash. this mode requires that body measures both flashes separately. therefore flashes are fired one after the other, which forces ca 50% lower X-sync speeed high-speed flash - shutter is never full open; flash fires multiple bursts of light throughout curtains movevement such that all parts of film plane receive equal amounts of light it seems the metz sca 300 stuff does dedication upto/including ttl flash, and for AF spot-beam enabled adapters even 'grabs' AF activation info to enable the focus assist light. the metz sca 3000 stuff also passes more digital control info. my sca 372 adapter has 'ready' and 'mode' contacts, and does the dedicated, auto and ttl things. it does not pass brightness info, it seems, i.e. with flash in auto mode camera does switch to X-sync speed, but also to same (programmed) aperture. my sca 374/2 AF adapter has 'ready', 'mode' and 'digital' contacts. in addition to the things done by the 372 it lights AF assist, and allows 2nd curtain sync. same thing about auto flash. the sca 3701 does pass more info as is shown on the flash display (aperture, iso, focal length, AF activation). moreover it supports contrast control flash mode. same thing about auto flash (no brightness passed from flash to camera when flash in auto mode). A manual flash is a single output unit which only communicates output triggering with the camera. An auto flash is a variable output unit which only communicates output triggering with the camera. A dedicated flash communicates shutter speed and aperture setting information with the camera, and causes the camera to set the shutter speed to X-sync and sets the aperture to match the flash output range. A TTL flash communicates flash output with the camera for the purpose of regulating output. A dedicated TTL flash
Re: Travel Lenses
A man after my own heart. As much as I am a fan of primes, on this trip my wife and I were with 10 college students and my job was not to take pictures. The zoom is just more effective as a photographic tool and, honestly, I find the results very acceptable. I do note, however, that the FA 20-35 is the best zoom I've ever had. Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/27/2007 1:30 AM If forced to take just one lens, I'd fit the FA43 on the camera and hide the DA21 in my pocket. ;-) G On Sep 26, 2007, at 9:05 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: FWIW, if going on travel and forced to take just one lens, it would be Tamron 28-75/2.8 for me. ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:46fb401c114177422916288! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Organizational Software
My wife is getting serious about trying to organize all our photos. I have most of them scanned and the past several years have all been digital. So on the plus side, we can work in one medium for the moment. She would like to organize images by child, by event, by date, etc. Then be able to access the images for some type of use - printing, making galleries, making scrapbooks electronically, etc. So there would need to be other programs to import an image and she would need to be able to find it. So if the organization was in a proprietary file or something, external programs may not be able to deal with it. That would make the organizing less useful. So once organized, she might say, I want to make a gallery of the highlights of the past year. So whatever software we use to make online galleries would be loaded and she would want to find all the files for the past year and browse through and choose some for the gallery. Or she might say I want prints of the last ice skating competition. She would need to be able to find the photos and put them on disk or some directory for uploading or some such. We are using Windows XP - so the organizing software would need to work with it. Any ideas would be helpful. I'd start by giving her an herbal potpourri like Rescue Remedy. If that doesn't help then see your doctor for tranquilizers. Valium might even help. One thing's for certain you can't let this organizational thing continue. I bet it's already creeped into other unwanted areas of your household. Tom C. :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Developer Turned Black [Was: Sad state of Photo Stores]
Ah ha! Just like the spouts on bar bottles of Jack Daniel's! Regards, Bob... Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection. -Jean Luc Godard - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sep 26, 2007, at 6:59 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: Bob Blakely wrote: Ingenious, but what do you do about the marbles trying to run out with the developer when you pour it? Cheesecloth? or a small filter cap on the bottle for pouring. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Thinking of AF280T flash
All way too complicated. Gimme a manual flash and a flash meter. ;-) :-) I really, really, really like the aperrant simplicity of ttl flash - the protocol is dead simple -- start, stop -- and all funky computations/ settings can happen in the camera, flash needs to know nothing. I'm really, really, really sorry it's no longer there. Axel - I actually was kind of interested in the metz 45ct* televorsatz-es I'm seeing for not too much money on ebay which would be trivial to use using ttl flash :-( :-/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
2000 people from the PDML will show up at your local pub tomorrow, blocking the door so you can't get in and quaff your thirst with a pint. Tom C. You buying ? Kenneth Waller http://tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation I can just about understand the need for people to want to belong to something they believe in, or would like to be a part of, but anything that by nature is exclusive does not get my support or interest. Cheers, Cotty 2000 people from the PDML will show up at your local pub tomorrow, blocking the door so you can't get in and quaff your thirst with a pint. Then we'll see how you feel about exclusive. ;-) Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO ... A Rose by Any Other Name...
Outside a Florist's shop. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6468680 Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
It's a personal competition, but you're not competing against others. For the accepted image count to be a score, everyone would have to make the same number of submissions. I recall one PDML member saying he was submitting between five and ten shots every day. That obviously will skew the curve. Which is fine, but that's why it's not a mine vs. yours competition. At least that's what I think. And in the end, none of it matters a hoot:-). Paul -- Original message -- From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, Robb, I'm not surprised that it's being viewed as a competition. If one chooses to consider the accepted image count as a 'score' against which one is competing, then it's a competition. Your choice. Jack --- William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Jack Davis Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation No way it could be stated any better, Frank. Their not having anticipating a volume crunch is, however, hard to imagine. Could be they consider accepted artist voting a handy explanation..if needed. When 'proven' laudable work is summarily declined, incentive wanes. snip Actually I see any photographic competition as utterly pointless. snip I agree 100%! Funny thing is, I didn't see The Pentax Gallery as a competition. I thought that as long as the photos met a minimum standard, they were in, and it would be a cool place from which to show photos. I didn't see it as grading or rating photos, merely accepting. I think it's that misconception that pisses me off most. I didn't understand it as a competition at all, and clearly it is. I know my photos aren't all pretty or pleasing or spectacular, so really they don't stand a chance against some that are in the gallery, but I have to admit to feeling a bit stung when I saw some rather banal, ordinary photos that got accepted, while mine all got the boot. It may be that these other photos were accepted early, when there were far fewer voters, and the gallery needed photos, but it certainly points to a glaring inconsitency in the acceptance procedure, IMHO. Too bad, because had it been set up properly, it could have been fun. Having everything rejected isn't fun at all... It's unfortunate that you believe that getting your photos to meet a minimum standard isn't a competition. Any time someone puts up a bar that you need to clear to get a reward, it is a competition. Just because you aren't competing with another person, doesn't mean you aren't competing, it just means that the rules of the competition are such that you are competing against a standard. OTOH, I really do think the people running the gallery totally buggered up when they changed the acceptance procedure into a peer based popularity contest. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
Cotty wrote: On 27/09/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: Just because you aren't competing with another person, doesn't mean you aren't competing, it just means that the rules of the competition are such that you are competing against a standard. Question: how subjective is this standard? Same as all competitions: Very. Personally, I quite like the Pentax Gallery kind of contest because, unlike other contests, I get to aim repeatedly at the same target (acceptance into the Gallery, in this case). I may not agree with their choices, but teaching myself (or trying to teach myself!) to achieve what they're after makes me push myself as a photographer. I find that creating works that please someone else is a lot more demanding, tiring, frustrating and annoying than creating things that please just myself. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times
Well I guess, my problem is that I consider news photos as editorial illustrations, not some super meaningful documentation. Yes, I can see how that would be a problem and lead you into all sorts of difficulties. Strangely without captions those particular photos have no particular meaning at all, That's true of almost all news / reportage photographs, almost by definition. What's your point? -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of graywolf Sent: 27 September 2007 18:09 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times Well I guess, my problem is that I consider news photos as editorial illustrations, not some super meaningful documentation. Strangely without captions those particular photos have no particular meaning at all, a dirt road somewhere with a bunch of round stones. The are called critics because they are critical you have to take anything they say with a grain of salt. If the Iwo Jima photo was taken in a studio in California is it an any less powerful image? Would it have less meaning to a people at war? It is easy to sit in our comfortable living rooms decades later and talk about it as if it were some kind of conspiracy, but it was a powerful wartime propaganda photo regardless of when and where and how it was taken. The error comes in thinking of news photos as some kind of archaeological documentation made for later generations. They are not, nor were they intended as such. Bob W wrote: it's important to challenge people who claim without evidence that important historical or journalistic photos, or writings or whatever are in some way fake or misleading. It's important because it is through history and news (which is after all only history with the ink still wet) that we gain our understanding of the world and our place in it. It is through news and history that we learn, so as not to repeat earlier mistakes, and only by being able to trust the sources of history and news is that possible. There always seem to be claims of fakery swirling around some of the most important news photos - the flag on Iwo Jima, Capa's Falling Soldier, now this one. I'm sure I could think of more if I put my mind to it. These claims, when false, undermine people's ability to trust news photography and play into the hands of people who wish to manipulate the news, history and us. On another level, if someone like Susan Sontag, a respected critic, was sloppy in the research on which she based an important book which has influenced many people's views on news photography, then we need to know about that because it must affect the way we look at all her writing, and the many consequences of her writing. -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of graywolf Sent: 26 September 2007 22:45 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times Why is it so interesting? I see nothing that makes any difference to anyone but a few folks who want to be taken for pundits. The lighting shows that the sun was more overhead in the second photo, but if the photographer was into faking his photos, he could well have lied about the time he took them. It reminds me of the title to one of Shakespeare's plays, Much ado about nothing. Subject: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times http://tinyurl.com/2oczre -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO ... A Rose by Any Other Name...
Tom C wrote: Outside a Florist's shop. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6468680 Going all Godfrey on us, eh? Nice work. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
..or a holler!! ;) Jack --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a personal competition, but you're not competing against others. For the accepted image count to be a score, everyone would have to make the same number of submissions. I recall one PDML member saying he was submitting between five and ten shots every day. That obviously will skew the curve. Which is fine, but that's why it's not a mine vs. yours competition. At least that's what I think. And in the end, none of it matters a hoot:-). Paul -- Original message -- From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, Robb, I'm not surprised that it's being viewed as a competition. If one chooses to consider the accepted image count as a 'score' against which one is competing, then it's a competition. Your choice. Jack --- William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Jack Davis Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation No way it could be stated any better, Frank. Their not having anticipating a volume crunch is, however, hard to imagine. Could be they consider accepted artist voting a handy explanation..if needed. When 'proven' laudable work is summarily declined, incentive wanes. snip Actually I see any photographic competition as utterly pointless. snip I agree 100%! Funny thing is, I didn't see The Pentax Gallery as a competition. I thought that as long as the photos met a minimum standard, they were in, and it would be a cool place from which to show photos. I didn't see it as grading or rating photos, merely accepting. I think it's that misconception that pisses me off most. I didn't understand it as a competition at all, and clearly it is. I know my photos aren't all pretty or pleasing or spectacular, so really they don't stand a chance against some that are in the gallery, but I have to admit to feeling a bit stung when I saw some rather banal, ordinary photos that got accepted, while mine all got the boot. It may be that these other photos were accepted early, when there were far fewer voters, and the gallery needed photos, but it certainly points to a glaring inconsitency in the acceptance procedure, IMHO. Too bad, because had it been set up properly, it could have been fun. Having everything rejected isn't fun at all... It's unfortunate that you believe that getting your photos to meet a minimum standard isn't a competition. Any time someone puts up a bar that you need to clear to get a reward, it is a competition. Just because you aren't competing with another person, doesn't mean you aren't competing, it just means that the rules of the competition are such that you are competing against a standard. OTOH, I really do think the people running the gallery totally buggered up when they changed the acceptance procedure into a peer based popularity contest. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
I agree. If acceptance is left purely to a judging panel, then we can expect the regular subjectivity. If it's based on a general vote of others, then it's also suspect, as the general public doesn't know hooey about good photography. I'd like to know the qualifications of the judges, myself. It is totally possible photos are being judged by people with no other particular qualifications than that they work for Pentax, which is totally within their bailiwick, just not reassuring. If the gallery is designed to be a high-quality gallery, then all images should clearly be outstanding. If it's not designed to be that, then the result will be something less. (Stating the obvious). Tom C. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:45:35 + It's a personal competition, but you're not competing against others. For the accepted image count to be a score, everyone would have to make the same number of submissions. I recall one PDML member saying he was submitting between five and ten shots every day. That obviously will skew the curve. Which is fine, but that's why it's not a mine vs. yours competition. At least that's what I think. And in the end, none of it matters a hoot:-). Paul -- Original message -- From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, Robb, I'm not surprised that it's being viewed as a competition. If one chooses to consider the accepted image count as a 'score' against which one is competing, then it's a competition. Your choice. Jack --- William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Jack Davis Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation No way it could be stated any better, Frank. Their not having anticipating a volume crunch is, however, hard to imagine. Could be they consider accepted artist voting a handy explanation..if needed. When 'proven' laudable work is summarily declined, incentive wanes. snip Actually I see any photographic competition as utterly pointless. snip I agree 100%! Funny thing is, I didn't see The Pentax Gallery as a competition. I thought that as long as the photos met a minimum standard, they were in, and it would be a cool place from which to show photos. I didn't see it as grading or rating photos, merely accepting. I think it's that misconception that pisses me off most. I didn't understand it as a competition at all, and clearly it is. I know my photos aren't all pretty or pleasing or spectacular, so really they don't stand a chance against some that are in the gallery, but I have to admit to feeling a bit stung when I saw some rather banal, ordinary photos that got accepted, while mine all got the boot. It may be that these other photos were accepted early, when there were far fewer voters, and the gallery needed photos, but it certainly points to a glaring inconsitency in the acceptance procedure, IMHO. Too bad, because had it been set up properly, it could have been fun. Having everything rejected isn't fun at all... It's unfortunate that you believe that getting your photos to meet a minimum standard isn't a competition. Any time someone puts up a bar that you need to clear to get a reward, it is a competition. Just because you aren't competing with another person, doesn't mean you aren't competing, it just means that the rules of the competition are such that you are competing against a standard. OTOH, I really do think the people running the gallery totally buggered up when they changed the acceptance procedure into a peer based popularity contest. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
You're right, it isn't. You might look at it from the standpoint of a vocal 'artist' who looks for applause when she stops singing. Approval can be intoxicating. Jack --- Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cotty wrote: On 27/09/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: Just because you aren't competing with another person, doesn't mean you aren't competing, it just means that the rules of the competition are such that you are competing against a standard. Question: how subjective is this standard? Same as all competitions: Very. Personally, I quite like the Pentax Gallery kind of contest because, unlike other contests, I get to aim repeatedly at the same target (acceptance into the Gallery, in this case). I may not agree with their choices, but teaching myself (or trying to teach myself!) to achieve what they're after makes me push myself as a photographer. I find that creating works that please someone else is a lot more demanding, tiring, frustrating and annoying than creating things that please just myself. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO ... A Rose by Any Other Name...
Lovely :o) rg2 On 9/27/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom C wrote: Outside a Florist's shop. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6468680 Going all Godfrey on us, eh? Nice work. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- the subject of a photograph is far less important than its composition -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
On 9/27/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question: how subjective is this standard? Same as all competitions: Very. Personally, I quite like the Pentax Gallery kind of contest because, unlike other contests, I get to aim repeatedly at the same target (acceptance into the Gallery, in this case). I may not agree with their choices, but teaching myself (or trying to teach myself!) to achieve what they're after makes me push myself as a photographer. I find that creating works that please someone else is a lot more demanding, tiring, frustrating and annoying than creating things that please just myself. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. I think my problem with the Pentax Gallery is that I don't know what the standard is. How can I aim for a target if I can't see it? There's no explanation as to the criteria to get past the accepted artists' voting: How many votes are required to be accepted or rejected? What percentage of yes votes is required for acceptance? and even then, it states clearly that those that get past the first screening can be rejected outright by the Pentax Panel. We don't know who those people are, and what they're looking for. It's all very closed door, which to me makes it something of a crap-shoot. I'm not sure how submitting many photos and having them all rejected makes me a better photographer. It rather just leaves me scratching my head, and thinking that if I want feedback or reaction, this isn't the place for me. Some may find this sort of exercise very valuable, but I don't. I mean, hey, no hard feelings. Pentax can run this thing any way they want; it's their contest. However, if this is the way they choose to run it, my choice is to not participate. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO ... A Rose by Any Other Name...
On 9/27/07, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Outside a Florist's shop. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6468680 Tom C. Love it! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times
Cotty wrote: On 27/09/07, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed: (I really shouldn't have written that. Now Cotty will have the horn again.) Those sentences give me the horn. (Might get my Derek and Clive DVD out tonight ;-) Lobster for tea. Or maybe not. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times
They were most likely spent solid round shot, sort of like cast iron bowling balls. They hit the ground and then roll and bounce a long way until the come to a stop. They were designed to do that as the bouncing balls played havoc with massed troops. So Tom is correct in thinking many would wind up in a low point like that road, although I would think that that road was a long way beyond their impact point and they simply rolled into that cut. There is nothing in the photos to give size relationships but they are most likely 8, 12, or 16 pound balls as that was what most light field artillery was in those days, that road is very narrow because those balls are smaller than most folks would think. Tom C wrote: To your question... Where then are the craters from the canon balls that must have landed *off* the road, in the likely softer soil? I would guess they don't really weigh THAT much and were moving at a relatively low velocity. Another alternate explanation could possibly be that the road, being relatively high, slightly sloped and comparatively smooth (less friction), allowed the canon balls to roll to the low point when they hit the road. An object in motion tends to stay in motion. Since they were likely all shot from the same direction and I would guess, at a relatively oblique angle, their momentum might be such to propel them off the road. Still thinking. :-) Tom C. From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:50:24 -0400 I agree. BTW, if the balls actually landed on the road weren't placed there, where are the craters? Kenneth Waller http://tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times Why is it so interesting? I see nothing that makes any difference to anyone but a few folks who want to be taken for pundits. The lighting shows that the sun was more overhead in the second photo, but if the photographer was into faking his photos, he could well have lied about the time he took them. It reminds me of the title to one of Shakespeare's plays, Much ado about nothing. Subject: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times http://tinyurl.com/2oczre -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Developer Turned Black [Was: Sad state of Photo Stores]
Har!!! Scott Loveless wrote: Marbles. P. J. Alling wrote: Falcon air evac bottles. 1/2 gallon http://tinyurl.com/2kctld full gallon http://tinyurl.com/399yud Bob Blakely wrote: It would be nice if the bottles had bladders so that they could be capped half used without any air to oxidize the contents. Regards, Bob... Life isn't like a box of chocolates . . it's more like a jar of jalapenos. What you do today, might burn your butt tomorrow. - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, chemistry is available, mostly for students, but not what I was looking for. I hate to throw away half used bottles of developer because they've turned black. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Developer Turned Black [Was: Sad state of Photo Stores]
That was not a problem until you go near the bottom of the bottle, then you just used a finger to partially block the mouth. Marbles were the standard thing back in the 1950's. Bob Blakely wrote: Ingenious, but what do you do about the marbles trying to run out with the developer when you pour it? Regards, Bob... Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection. -Jean Luc Godard - Original Message - From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] Marbles. P. J. Alling wrote: Falcon air evac bottles. 1/2 gallon http://tinyurl.com/2kctld full gallon http://tinyurl.com/399yud Bob Blakely wrote: It would be nice if the bottles had bladders so that they could be capped half used without any air to oxidize the contents. Regards, Bob... Life isn't like a box of chocolates . . it's more like a jar of jalapenos. What you do today, might burn your butt tomorrow. - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, chemistry is available, mostly for students, but not what I was looking for. I hate to throw away half used bottles of developer because they've turned black. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO ... A Rose by Any Other Name...
On Sep 27, 2007, at 14:51, Mark Roberts wrote: Tom C wrote: Outside a Florist's shop. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6468680 Going all Godfrey on us, eh? Nice work. Was my first thought too. Then I wondered why the photo was sideways until I realized it was probably a brick sidewalk (the petals are unlikely to be glued to a wall!). Pretty, though! -Charles -- Charles Robinson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
frank theriault wrote: I think my problem with the Pentax Gallery is that I don't know what the standard is. How can I aim for a target if I can't see it? And it's a moving target, to boot. You never know who may be voting on your photo at any given time. Subjective is one thing. Variably subjective is irritating at best. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
Subjective is one thing. Variably subjective is irritating at best. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ ... said the married man... Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
Pooka Gonz wrote: Oops that should have been family Leporidae. I'm not sure whether Frank is a Rabbit or a Hare. On 9/26/07, Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank, didn't you read the fine print? In Title 9, section 4, paragraph 110, Item b) : No work shall be accepted from the class Lepus and all its associated species and subspecies. =:) On 9/26/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Copy of e-mail recently sent to The Pentax Gallery: Sirs/Mesdames, I may be an accepted artist of the PENTAX Photo Gallery, however, my first 12 photos have been rejected. As of the date of this e-mail, there are three pending. It is obvious that somewhere along the selection process, someone or some group feels that my photos are not up to the Pentax Photo Gallery standards. Accordingly, I will be deleting the three photos still pending. Please feel free remove me from your list of accepted artists. Thank you for the opportunity to submit my photos. regards, frank theriault cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Organizational Software
That is always the problem with databases. BTW, Adobe bridge can attach all kinds of info and catagories to your photos, but it does still have the problem that you have to enter the info and select the catagories. Boris Liberman wrote: I think LightRoom can do most if not all that you indicated, Bruce. However the hmmm process of giving program necessary data to perform organization has to be done by human and that's a huge task. Boris Bruce Dayton wrote: My wife is getting serious about trying to organize all our photos. I have most of them scanned and the past several years have all been digital. So on the plus side, we can work in one medium for the moment. She would like to organize images by child, by event, by date, etc. Then be able to access the images for some type of use - printing, making galleries, making scrapbooks electronically, etc. So there would need to be other programs to import an image and she would need to be able to find it. So if the organization was in a proprietary file or something, external programs may not be able to deal with it. That would make the organizing less useful. So once organized, she might say, I want to make a gallery of the highlights of the past year. So whatever software we use to make online galleries would be loaded and she would want to find all the files for the past year and browse through and choose some for the gallery. Or she might say I want prints of the last ice skating competition. She would need to be able to find the photos and put them on disk or some directory for uploading or some such. We are using Windows XP - so the organizing software would need to work with it. Any ideas would be helpful. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Pentax Gallery Resignation
How can I aim for a target if I can't see it? You must follow the Way Of The Blind Archer, grasshopper. The Blind Archer does not see the target. He allows the target to see him, and to guide the arrow into his heart, as the heron's beak enters the stream. For are they not one, the archer, the target and the arrow? Are they not avatars of each of us, and we of them? Your hand must not know that it has released the bowstring, it must slip from you as melting snow slips from the bamboo leaf. Then surely the bow, the string, the arrow, the archer and the target are one. Hope that helps. -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of frank theriault Sent: 27 September 2007 21:29 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation On 9/27/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question: how subjective is this standard? Same as all competitions: Very. Personally, I quite like the Pentax Gallery kind of contest because, unlike other contests, I get to aim repeatedly at the same target (acceptance into the Gallery, in this case). I may not agree with their choices, but teaching myself (or trying to teach myself!) to achieve what they're after makes me push myself as a photographer. I find that creating works that please someone else is a lot more demanding, tiring, frustrating and annoying than creating things that please just myself. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. I think my problem with the Pentax Gallery is that I don't know what the standard is. How can I aim for a target if I can't see it? There's no explanation as to the criteria to get past the accepted artists' voting: How many votes are required to be accepted or rejected? What percentage of yes votes is required for acceptance? and even then, it states clearly that those that get past the first screening can be rejected outright by the Pentax Panel. We don't know who those people are, and what they're looking for. It's all very closed door, which to me makes it something of a crap-shoot. I'm not sure how submitting many photos and having them all rejected makes me a better photographer. It rather just leaves me scratching my head, and thinking that if I want feedback or reaction, this isn't the place for me. Some may find this sort of exercise very valuable, but I don't. I mean, hey, no hard feelings. Pentax can run this thing any way they want; it's their contest. However, if this is the way they choose to run it, my choice is to not participate. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Pentax Gallery Resignation
USE THE FORCE, FRANK. Tom C. From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: Pentax Gallery Resignation Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:07:05 +0100 How can I aim for a target if I can't see it? You must follow the Way Of The Blind Archer, grasshopper. The Blind Archer does not see the target. He allows the target to see him, and to guide the arrow into his heart, as the heron's beak enters the stream. For are they not one, the archer, the target and the arrow? Are they not avatars of each of us, and we of them? Your hand must not know that it has released the bowstring, it must slip from you as melting snow slips from the bamboo leaf. Then surely the bow, the string, the arrow, the archer and the target are one. Hope that helps. -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of frank theriault Sent: 27 September 2007 21:29 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation On 9/27/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question: how subjective is this standard? Same as all competitions: Very. Personally, I quite like the Pentax Gallery kind of contest because, unlike other contests, I get to aim repeatedly at the same target (acceptance into the Gallery, in this case). I may not agree with their choices, but teaching myself (or trying to teach myself!) to achieve what they're after makes me push myself as a photographer. I find that creating works that please someone else is a lot more demanding, tiring, frustrating and annoying than creating things that please just myself. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. I think my problem with the Pentax Gallery is that I don't know what the standard is. How can I aim for a target if I can't see it? There's no explanation as to the criteria to get past the accepted artists' voting: How many votes are required to be accepted or rejected? What percentage of yes votes is required for acceptance? and even then, it states clearly that those that get past the first screening can be rejected outright by the Pentax Panel. We don't know who those people are, and what they're looking for. It's all very closed door, which to me makes it something of a crap-shoot. I'm not sure how submitting many photos and having them all rejected makes me a better photographer. It rather just leaves me scratching my head, and thinking that if I want feedback or reaction, this isn't the place for me. Some may find this sort of exercise very valuable, but I don't. I mean, hey, no hard feelings. Pentax can run this thing any way they want; it's their contest. However, if this is the way they choose to run it, my choice is to not participate. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
On 9/27/07, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pooka Just like Harvey... :-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Not PESO: Fish-eye falcon
On 9/26/07, Margus Männik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, it's shot with Sony Alpha camera and Sony 16mm lens last weekend. Writing a book about Alpha system and therefore haven't had much time to shoot with Pentax gear last times... OTOH - I have had almost all Sony lenses to play with last couple of weeks - from 16mm fisheye to 300mm tele. I have to admit that some of 'em are quite good (oh holy P, forgive me my sins... etc) :))) http://www.eol.ee/~margus/misc/ffalcon.jpg BR, Margus Excellent shot! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Camera Leather
On topic for a change! Interesting site - have a look: http://www.cameraleather.com/ -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
Gee thanks. Now how do I get this arrow out of my butt? Ob.Trivia - did you know that archery targets are called 'butts'? Do you know why? As far as the Pentax Gallery goes - I didn't submit originally for a couple of reasons; my first attempt didn't work (because I was trying to submit a scanned image, and there was a bug in their validation code), and I never got round to writing a bio. Now, after hearing of all the various problems others are having, I doubt if I'll bother to submit anything (and I *still* haven't written a bio). On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 10:07:05PM +0100, Bob W wrote: How can I aim for a target if I can't see it? You must follow the Way Of The Blind Archer, grasshopper. The Blind Archer does not see the target. He allows the target to see him, and to guide the arrow into his heart, as the heron's beak enters the stream. For are they not one, the archer, the target and the arrow? Are they not avatars of each of us, and we of them? Your hand must not know that it has released the bowstring, it must slip from you as melting snow slips from the bamboo leaf. Then surely the bow, the string, the arrow, the archer and the target are one. Hope that helps. -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of frank theriault Sent: 27 September 2007 21:29 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation On 9/27/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question: how subjective is this standard? Same as all competitions: Very. Personally, I quite like the Pentax Gallery kind of contest because, unlike other contests, I get to aim repeatedly at the same target (acceptance into the Gallery, in this case). I may not agree with their choices, but teaching myself (or trying to teach myself!) to achieve what they're after makes me push myself as a photographer. I find that creating works that please someone else is a lot more demanding, tiring, frustrating and annoying than creating things that please just myself. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. I think my problem with the Pentax Gallery is that I don't know what the standard is. How can I aim for a target if I can't see it? There's no explanation as to the criteria to get past the accepted artists' voting: How many votes are required to be accepted or rejected? What percentage of yes votes is required for acceptance? and even then, it states clearly that those that get past the first screening can be rejected outright by the Pentax Panel. We don't know who those people are, and what they're looking for. It's all very closed door, which to me makes it something of a crap-shoot. I'm not sure how submitting many photos and having them all rejected makes me a better photographer. It rather just leaves me scratching my head, and thinking that if I want feedback or reaction, this isn't the place for me. Some may find this sort of exercise very valuable, but I don't. I mean, hey, no hard feelings. Pentax can run this thing any way they want; it's their contest. However, if this is the way they choose to run it, my choice is to not participate. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
On 27/09/07, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Personally, I quite like the Pentax Gallery kind of contest because, unlike other contests, I get to aim repeatedly at the same target (acceptance into the Gallery, in this case). I may not agree with their choices, but teaching myself (or trying to teach myself!) to achieve what they're after makes me push myself as a photographer. I find that creating works that please someone else is a lot more demanding, tiring, frustrating and annoying than creating things that please just myself. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. Points taken! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
On 27/09/07, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: I think my problem with the Pentax Gallery is that I don't know what the standard is. How can I aim for a target if I can't see it? There's no explanation as to the criteria to get past the accepted artists' voting: How many votes are required to be accepted or rejected? What percentage of yes votes is required for acceptance? and even then, it states clearly that those that get past the first screening can be rejected outright by the Pentax Panel. We don't know who those people are, and what they're looking for. It's all very closed door, which to me makes it something of a crap-shoot. I'm not sure how submitting many photos and having them all rejected makes me a better photographer. It rather just leaves me scratching my head, and thinking that if I want feedback or reaction, this isn't the place for me. Some may find this sort of exercise very valuable, but I don't. I mean, hey, no hard feelings. Pentax can run this thing any way they want; it's their contest. However, if this is the way they choose to run it, my choice is to not participate. Hey Frank, let's start our own gallery pages :- Avante-garde??? You ain't seen nothin yet baby!! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RE: Pentax Gallery Resignation
Bob W wrote: How can I aim for a target if I can't see it? You must follow the Way Of The Blind Archer, grasshopper. The Blind Archer does not see the target. He allows the target to see him, and to guide the arrow into his heart, as the heron's beak enters the stream. For are they not one, the archer, the target and the arrow? Are they not avatars of each of us, and we of them? Your hand must not know that it has released the bowstring, it must slip from you as melting snow slips from the bamboo leaf. Then surely the bow, the string, the arrow, the archer and the target are one. Hope that helps. That's a funny reply and it's essentially correct. Any kind of artistic endeavor is just like real life: There's no definite target, no step-by-step instructions that will guarantee success. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Camera Leather
Cotty wrote: On topic for a change! Interesting site - have a look: http://www.cameraleather.com/ Ugh. I really like their stuff. And so does Cesar, apparently. Since getting the 645 I thought it would look rather dashing in some new clothes, like the Hassy 501 cameras in the special edition colors that were available a few years ago. Alas, cameraleather doesn't offer skins for the 645, nor do they offer anything in skittle yellow. I wonder, if I sent my camera to him.nah. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Camera Leather
cool, but I didn't see any purple flame designs. Count me out. ;) rg2 On 9/27/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On topic for a change! Interesting site - have a look: http://www.cameraleather.com/ -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- the subject of a photograph is far less important than its composition -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Thinking of AF280T flash
On Sep 27, 2007, at 12:10 PM, Axel Belinfante wrote: All way too complicated. Gimme a manual flash and a flash meter. ;-) I really, really, really like the aperrant simplicity of ttl flash - the protocol is dead simple -- start, stop -- and all funky computations/ settings can happen in the camera, flash needs to know nothing. With a digital camera, all you do is guess, make a test shot, and adjust settings to suit. No computations involved. I don't use any film cameras with flash anymore... Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Thinking of AF280T flash
On 27/09/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: All way too complicated. Gimme a manual flash and a flash meter. ;-) I absolutely LOATHE flash. But it also can produce some wonderful results. So I let the flash do all the work. Top of the range Canon 580EX that is a computer with a light tube bolted on. Unbelievably good and I never think twice. Indoors, camera to full manual: aperture to about f8, shutter speed to 1/250th (max normal sync) and bouncing the flash off ceilings gives beautiful results. Or ext night, direct with an omnibounce thingy, or daylight fill using full auto. Can't fault it. Hate using it, but can't fault it. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: butts
On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 03:43:38PM -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 27, 2007, at 3:09 PM, John Francis wrote: Gee thanks. Now how do I get this arrow out of my butt? Ob.Trivia - did you know that archery targets are called 'butts'? Do you know why? I knew that they were, but I still don't know why. Godfrey It was a sort of trick question. There's a fairly widespread faux etymology that claims it's derived from using the end of wine barrels as targets, but the OED gives no credence to this. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Travel Lenses
I agree with you about the FA20-35: it effectively replaced my A24, A28 and A35 lenses, as well as the DA16-45. The 21 and 43 Limiteds go beyond it, however. For the situation you mention, I would take the Panasonic L1 with its Leica 14-50/2.8-3.5 lens now. That lens is just about on par with the quality of the Limiteds, albeit a bit bulkier. Heresy, eh? ;-) Godfrey On Sep 27, 2007, at 12:13 PM, Steve Desjardins wrote: A man after my own heart. As much as I am a fan of primes, on this trip my wife and I were with 10 college students and my job was not to take pictures. The zoom is just more effective as a photographic tool and, honestly, I find the results very acceptable. I do note, however, that the FA 20-35 is the best zoom I've ever had. If forced to take just one lens, I'd fit the FA43 on the camera and hide the DA21 in my pocket. ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: butts
On Sep 27, 2007, at 3:09 PM, John Francis wrote: Gee thanks. Now how do I get this arrow out of my butt? Ob.Trivia - did you know that archery targets are called 'butts'? Do you know why? I knew that they were, but I still don't know why. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Pentax Gallery Resignation
Mercy that's deep. Jack --- Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can I aim for a target if I can't see it? You must follow the Way Of The Blind Archer, grasshopper. The Blind Archer does not see the target. He allows the target to see him, and to guide the arrow into his heart, as the heron's beak enters the stream. For are they not one, the archer, the target and the arrow? Are they not avatars of each of us, and we of them? Your hand must not know that it has released the bowstring, it must slip from you as melting snow slips from the bamboo leaf. Then surely the bow, the string, the arrow, the archer and the target are one. Hope that helps. -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of frank theriault Sent: 27 September 2007 21:29 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation On 9/27/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question: how subjective is this standard? Same as all competitions: Very. Personally, I quite like the Pentax Gallery kind of contest because, unlike other contests, I get to aim repeatedly at the same target (acceptance into the Gallery, in this case). I may not agree with their choices, but teaching myself (or trying to teach myself!) to achieve what they're after makes me push myself as a photographer. I find that creating works that please someone else is a lot more demanding, tiring, frustrating and annoying than creating things that please just myself. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. I think my problem with the Pentax Gallery is that I don't know what the standard is. How can I aim for a target if I can't see it? There's no explanation as to the criteria to get past the accepted artists' voting: How many votes are required to be accepted or rejected? What percentage of yes votes is required for acceptance? and even then, it states clearly that those that get past the first screening can be rejected outright by the Pentax Panel. We don't know who those people are, and what they're looking for. It's all very closed door, which to me makes it something of a crap-shoot. I'm not sure how submitting many photos and having them all rejected makes me a better photographer. It rather just leaves me scratching my head, and thinking that if I want feedback or reaction, this isn't the place for me. Some may find this sort of exercise very valuable, but I don't. I mean, hey, no hard feelings. Pentax can run this thing any way they want; it's their contest. However, if this is the way they choose to run it, my choice is to not participate. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
Subjective is one thing. Variably subjective is irritating at best. Every photo contest I've ever entered had variable subjectivity IMO Kenneth Waller http://tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation frank theriault wrote: I think my problem with the Pentax Gallery is that I don't know what the standard is. How can I aim for a target if I can't see it? And it's a moving target, to boot. You never know who may be voting on your photo at any given time. Subjective is one thing. Variably subjective is irritating at best. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
...after hearing of all the various problems others are having, I doubt if I'll bother to submit anything (and I *still* haven't written a bio). I've got a fair number of images accepted into the Gallery several into the Premiere Gallery. I've handed out my Pentax gallery address to a lot of people the response I get back from most of them is that are really impressed with the overall manner in which the images are presented. I couldn't have done that kind of presentation without having my own web site with its attending costs maintenance. And yes, I'm getting more rejections now than early on. I can also say that I see a lot of images up for voting now that I would never think of submitting. The images I saw posted in the gallery in the beginning are much better than what I see in the voting section now. my $.02 worth. Kenneth Waller http://tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 6:09 PM Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation Gee thanks. Now how do I get this arrow out of my butt? Ob.Trivia - did you know that archery targets are called 'butts'? Do you know why? As far as the Pentax Gallery goes - I didn't submit originally for a couple of reasons; my first attempt didn't work (because I was trying to submit a scanned image, and there was a bug in their validation code), and I never got round to writing a bio. Now, after hearing of all the various problems others are having, I doubt if I'll bother to submit anything (and I *still* haven't written a bio). On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 10:07:05PM +0100, Bob W wrote: How can I aim for a target if I can't see it? You must follow the Way Of The Blind Archer, grasshopper. The Blind Archer does not see the target. He allows the target to see him, and to guide the arrow into his heart, as the heron's beak enters the stream. For are they not one, the archer, the target and the arrow? Are they not avatars of each of us, and we of them? Your hand must not know that it has released the bowstring, it must slip from you as melting snow slips from the bamboo leaf. Then surely the bow, the string, the arrow, the archer and the target are one. Hope that helps. -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of frank theriault Sent: 27 September 2007 21:29 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation On 9/27/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question: how subjective is this standard? Same as all competitions: Very. Personally, I quite like the Pentax Gallery kind of contest because, unlike other contests, I get to aim repeatedly at the same target (acceptance into the Gallery, in this case). I may not agree with their choices, but teaching myself (or trying to teach myself!) to achieve what they're after makes me push myself as a photographer. I find that creating works that please someone else is a lot more demanding, tiring, frustrating and annoying than creating things that please just myself. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. I think my problem with the Pentax Gallery is that I don't know what the standard is. How can I aim for a target if I can't see it? There's no explanation as to the criteria to get past the accepted artists' voting: How many votes are required to be accepted or rejected? What percentage of yes votes is required for acceptance? and even then, it states clearly that those that get past the first screening can be rejected outright by the Pentax Panel. We don't know who those people are, and what they're looking for. It's all very closed door, which to me makes it something of a crap-shoot. I'm not sure how submitting many photos and having them all rejected makes me a better photographer. It rather just leaves me scratching my head, and thinking that if I want feedback or reaction, this isn't the place for me. Some may find this sort of exercise very valuable, but I don't. I mean, hey, no hard feelings. Pentax can run this thing any way they want; it's their contest. However, if this is the way they choose to run it, my choice is to not participate. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the
Re: Thinking of AF280T flash
On Sep 27, 2007, at 3:35 PM, Cotty wrote: On 27/09/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: All way too complicated. Gimme a manual flash and a flash meter. ;-) I absolutely LOATHE flash. But it also can produce some wonderful results. So I let the flash do all the work. Top of the range Canon 580EX that is a computer with a light tube bolted on. Unbelievably good and I never think twice. Indoors, camera to full manual: aperture to about f8, shutter speed to 1/250th (max normal sync) and bouncing the flash off ceilings gives beautiful results. Or ext night, direct with an omnibounce thingy, or daylight fill using full auto. Can't fault it. Hate using it, but can't fault it. I had the 420EX when I had my Canon gear. It did exactly the same, although was, of course, smaller, less powerful. I also loathe flash for general purpose photography ... I use it for table top work ... or when at a party doing snapshots like last evening. It's just a tool. My table top setup is so consistent that I just set up the flash, the subject, set the aperture and shoot. I rarely even have to check the histogram. ;-) Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Question about FA 28-105 f/4-5.6 IF, Tamron vs. Pentax
I had the SMC-P version of this lens on my K10D when it decided it would rather bounce off the concrete floor than stay in my hand. I replaced it with the Tamron version (got a good price on it, and couldn't find the SMC-P variant anywhere). But I am finding (based on my first few test shots) that the Tamron version is much, much less sharp than the Pentax. They appear identical, and claimed by many to be the same lens optically. - Pentax rebranded a 28-105 from Tamron. It was reportedly inferior to the (then current) FA Power Zoom 28-105 F4-5.6. That one was a lovely zoom lens. If you can find a used one of those, I would get it. But they seem to have gotten rarer in the used market. OTOH, I believe it is still available new, but currently backordered. Try here: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/40725-USA/Pentax_27667_Zoom_Wide_Angle_SMCP_FA.html Otherwise, the current FA 28-105 (F3.2 to something) is (I believe) still available (but also backordered). Many people like it, although it is not as good as the FA 24-90. But it is certainly a bargain, and probably superior to both the older Tamron and the Pentax version of the Tamron. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
using a Pentax 17mm fish eye on 4/3 System and Pentax DSLR
I've been using a friend's Pentax 17mm Fish Eye for the past week or so. It's a damn good performer, and I find it a near perfect match for the L1 body (fitted with an adapter of course). Funny, I like it even more than the rectilinear Nikon 20mm lens I was using on the L1 before this... ! Did a few comparison photos to check out the field of view in comparison to rectilinear lenses. The Panny L1 is on the left, showing the 14-50mm @ 14mm setting and the 17 FE, then the Pentax K10D is on the right showing the DA14, K17FE, and DA21. http://homepage.mac.com/godders/K17FE-FOV/ You can see how much more bendy the rendering seems on the Pentax body, with its wider format proportion and slightly larger sensor. enjoy Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've got a fair number of images accepted into the Gallery several into the Premiere Gallery. I've handed out my Pentax gallery address to a lot of people the response I get back from most of them is that are really impressed with the overall manner in which the images are presented. It's not bad, but most people love my photos when I show to them. Yippee! :-) However, I'm pretty sure I could show them my rejects or images I don't like and they'd love them just as much. Most non-serious photographers are not looking at an image or a site with a critical eye. Overall I find people to be too easily impressed. I couldn't have done that kind of presentat ion without having my own web site with its attending costs maintenance. And yes, I'm getting more rejections now than early on. I can also say that I see a lot of images up for voting now that I would never think of submitting. The images I saw posted in the gallery in the beginning are much better than what I see in the voting section now. That's what I'd expect. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Question about FA 28-105 f/4-5.6 IF, Tamron vs. Pentax
At 09:54 AM 28/09/2007, Joseph Tainter wrote: Pentax rebranded a 28-105 from Tamron. It was reportedly inferior to the (then current) FA Power Zoom 28-105 F4-5.6. That one was a lovely zoom lens. If you can find a used one of those, I would get it. I ditto the above. IMO it is a great lens optically superior to any of the DA lenses I have. It's also considerably heavier :-) Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Developer Turned Black [Was: Sad state of Photo Stores]
I keep half gallon, 1 quart, and 1 pint bottles on hand. You can juggle things around so that only one of the pint bottles is partially full. If that turns, it's a small loss. Tried the marble thing - it was a PITA. Rodinal seems to keep forever, and HC110 goes from lager yellow to ale tan, but still seems to hold up well, As my developing volumes drop, I've switched to those two. FWIW - oxidized developer can produce some interesting results. I got some really nice results using cola-colored Dektol and Plus-X. Not the thing for folks concerned with predictability, consistency, and other such hobgoblins. - MCC --- Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be nice if the bottles had bladders so that they could be capped half used without any air to oxidize the contents. Regards, Bob... Life isn't like a box of chocolates . . it's more like a jar of jalapenos. What you do today, might burn your butt tomorrow. - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, chemistry is available, mostly for students, but not what I was looking for. I hate to throw away half used bottles of developer because they've turned black. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Mark Cassino Photography Kalamamazoo, MI www.markcassino.com Photo Books: www.lulu.com/cassino -- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
On 9/28/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: crap-shoot. Going off topic. This phrase always brings to mind Mambo t-shirts the artwork of Reg Mombassa. Carry on. Cheers, Dave (I don't think non-Aussies will get the connection) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
..especially kind people. Jack --- Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've got a fair number of images accepted into the Gallery several into the Premiere Gallery. I've handed out my Pentax gallery address to a lot of people the response I get back from most of them is that are really impressed with the overall manner in which the images are presented. It's not bad, but most people love my photos when I show to them. Yippee! :-) However, I'm pretty sure I could show them my rejects or images I don't like and they'd love them just as much. Most non-serious photographers are not looking at an image or a site with a critical eye. Overall I find people to be too easily impressed. I couldn't have done that kind of presentat ion without having my own web site with its attending costs maintenance. And yes, I'm getting more rejections now than early on. I can also say that I see a lot of images up for voting now that I would never think of submitting. The images I saw posted in the gallery in the beginning are much better than what I see in the voting section now. That's what I'd expect. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation
I agree with Mark on this. For all of its faults, the Pentax Gallery has given my photography a bit more focus (pun not intended). I'm not necessarily taking photos specifically aimed at being accepted (because most aren't) but I find I'm taking more care about composition and lighting and looking for other possibilities in a subject that I may have not noticed previously. And I'm a bit more enthusiastic about my photography - and that has to be a good thing... Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ Quoting Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Personally, I quite like the Pentax Gallery kind of contest because, unlike other contests, I get to aim repeatedly at the same target (acceptance into the Gallery, in this case). I may not agree with their choices, but teaching myself (or trying to teach myself!) to achieve what they're after makes me push myself as a photographer. -- Get a free email address with REAL anti-spam protection. http://www.bluebottle.com/tag/1 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Question about FA 28-105 f/4-5.6 IF, Tamron vs. Pentax
On Sep 27, 2007, at 20:54, Joseph Tainter wrote: Pentax rebranded a 28-105 from Tamron. It was reportedly inferior to the (then current) FA Power Zoom 28-105 F4-5.6. That one was a lovely zoom lens. I had one of those, and it completely sucked. Bad contrast, bad sharpness, yuck. I was bummed when I read how well-respected they were, because I knew that I had a dud version. :-( It broke later and now it's in the trash. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
