Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
- Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? On Oct 15, 2007, at 10:02 PM, William Robb wrote: For a second rate company, they do pretty well. Try shooting with a mid range or higher Canon somtime. Owned them, did that. Have a look at the D40. Not interested. thanks though. I'd buy a Nikon or an Olympus first. Canon lenses don't thrill me. Otherwise I'd have continued with them. As I said, for a second rate company, Pentax does pretty well. I didn't say that first rate companies don't do well, or better. Nor does it matter. back to photography. Do try to appreciate that some people actually want a high spec camera body, whether or not they will use it to the maximum of it's abilities. Not all of us shoot dead objects sitting on sidewalks. I have two dogs that can easily outrun the AF on my K10. I was sent, from another list member, a picture of a Terv at full gallop, running towards the camera. Apparently, the AF had no trouble keeping up, as the dog was tack sharp. She uses a Canon of some sort. No way in hell a Pentax would keep up to it. I don't necessarily want a full frame camera, but I would like something that can keep up with my dogs. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
On 15/10/2007, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15/10/07, Bob Blakely, discombobulated, unleashed: Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection. -Jean Luc Godard Make it so. - Jean Luc Picard Cheers, Cotty Indeed! -Teal'c -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Signing Photo's
Interesting question. Is it a real analog pen or a digital one? I use a simple, cheap Wacom pen. I have made a PSD file with a signature mask, to drag and drop into any image: http://flickr.com/photos/bladt/482801832/in/set-72157600172610993/ Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af David J Brooks Sendt: 15. oktober 2007 14:21 Til: Pentax Discuss Emne: Signing Photo's For those that do sign their work, what pen(s) do you use. I notice a lot of my fellow equine photographers sign the sale print, some were that can be seen, but not to distractiong for the photo. To show Copyright notices as explained to me., Dave -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.12/1072 - Release Date: 10/15/2007 17:55 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.12/1072 - Release Date: 10/15/2007 17:55 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
On Oct 15, 2007, at 11:04 PM, William Robb wrote: Do try to appreciate that some people actually want a high spec camera body, whether or not they will use it to the maximum of it's abilities. Not all of us shoot dead objects sitting on sidewalks. I have two dogs that can easily outrun the AF on my K10. I was sent, from another list member, a picture of a Terv at full gallop, running towards the camera. Apparently, the AF had no trouble keeping up, as the dog was tack sharp. She uses a Canon of some sort. No way in hell a Pentax would keep up to it. I don't necessarily want a full frame camera, but I would like something that can keep up with my dogs. So buy a Canon. They're good for that sort of thing. I don't shoot only dead things sitting on the sidewalk either, thank you. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
At 02:41 PM 16/10/2007, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Oct 15, 2007, at 11:04 PM, William Robb wrote: I don't necessarily want a full frame camera, but I would like something that can keep up with my dogs. So buy a Canon. They're good for that sort of thing. I was waiting for that I don't shoot only dead things sitting on the sidewalk either, thank you. Yeah. Sometimes the dead things are on the road, a grassy field, under a car... :-) Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
At 02:37 PM 16/10/2007, you wrote: On 15/10/2007, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15/10/07, Bob Blakely, discombobulated, unleashed: Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection. -Jean Luc Godard Make it so. - Jean Luc Picard Cheers, Cotty Indeed! -Teal'c Wrong franchise buddy. ;-) Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
- Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? I don't necessarily want a full frame camera, but I would like something that can keep up with my dogs. So buy a Canon. They're good for that sort of thing. I'd rather Pentax built a camera that was up to the standard of a five year old Canon. I could live with that, and use my present lenses to boot. I don't shoot only dead things sitting on the sidewalk either, thank you. Never said you did, though at least Pentax is mostly able to keep up with that sort of subject. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
- Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? On Oct 15, 2007, at 11:48 PM, David Savage wrote: Yeah. Sometimes the dead things are on the road, a grassy field, under a car... Yup. Sometimes they move pretty fast too... http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/32a.htm Yup, I see your camera kept up with the action too. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
On Oct 15, 2007, at 11:48 PM, David Savage wrote: Yeah. Sometimes the dead things are on the road, a grassy field, under a car... Yup. Sometimes they move pretty fast too... http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/32a.htm But some just like to piss and moan. Must be disgruntled Democrats if they're not blind old Republicans, eh? ]'-) usw, Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
- Original Message - From: David Savage Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? Indeed! -Teal'c Wrong franchise buddy. It's dead, Jim. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
- Original Message - From: David Savage Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? So buy a Canon. They're good for that sort of thing. I was waiting for that It would be good advice, and I'd probably take it, except for the impractibility of it. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
On Oct 15, 2007, at 11:55 PM, William Robb wrote: So buy a Canon. They're good for that sort of thing. I'd rather Pentax built a camera that was up to the standard of a five year old Canon. I could live with that, and use my present lenses to boot. LOL ... I'm sure you wouldn't be pleased with the performance of a Canon D60, Bill. And the 10D owners never stopped pissing and moaning about the focusing on that one either. ;-) G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Photographer Being Sued
From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/15 Mon PM 01:18:59 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Photographer Being Sued On 10/15/07, John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bob Blakely I assume you believe you have rights. Are they valuable to you? If someone deprives you of a right, don't you feel harmed in some way even if what you lost (control over actions on your property) did not cause any monetary loss? Such a thing should be a cause for a civil suit, if for no other reason than to secure your right. In such a case, I have no problem with a court finding $0 for damages, but still assigning such punitave awards as is necessary to dissuade the person (and others) from usurping your rights or the rights of others. The problem here is there has been no loss of rights by the plaintiff; no infringement of the plaintiff's rights. There is no damage to the plaintiff. The land in question is [was] opened to public use (e.g. tourism). The photographer did no trespass in taking the photos, even without specific permission. Even better excuse to buy a 600 and tele and hide in the bushes.:-) You (or me) and a 600 tele are going to need more than a bush. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Q re DA 16-45/4 on Film
Boris, if it helps, I believe the way to go is to hang on to your FF lenses as long as you have a camera that needs them. I still occasionally use my MZ-S (and other earlier cameras too), so I've kept a range of lenses from an 18-35 zoom to a 500mm long-focus which will cover all my needs there - and a few screw-mount for the Spotties and SV too, though not with the same range of focal lengths. But, and principally because I'm going on a three-week overseas trip where carrying a lot of gear is impractical, I've just bought a DA16-45 and a DA50-200, which will be my travelling kit, along with the *istD an M50/1.7 for low-light stuff. That's it - I'm reasonably sure I will have enough coverage and sufficient quality that I won't regret not humping a great range of kit with me! So for both film and digital, I will have dedicated gear, but with the possibility of cross-over where needed/desirable. Incidentally, it must be some sort of tribute to the DA16-45 that the MTF program line in the *istD always chooses maximum aperture where it can: must have been designed to be used mainly wide open! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Q re DA 16-45/4 on Film
At 03:40 PM 16/10/2007, John Coyle wrote: I've just bought a DA16-45 and a DA50-200, which will be my travelling kit, If I'd know you could have had mine cheap :-) I haven't used it once since I got back from Canada. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
Quoting William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Indeed! -Teal'c Wrong franchise buddy. It's dead, Jim. There's Klingons on the starboard bow.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCARADb9asE Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney, Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/brianwalters -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Find out how you can get spam free email. http://www.bluebottle.com/tag/3 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Slightly OT: Right clicked images find there way home
On Oct 16, 2007, at 4:40 AM, David Savage wrote: Nonsense. You can never have too many Dave's. Right, Dave, Dave Dave? Yeah, Bruce. - Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Another cycling injury :(
On Oct 16, 2007, at 2:36 AM, Steve Desjardins wrote: You're too old for a lollipop. I think that deserves at least a new prime lens. Hmm, good idea. Maybe after the overseas holiday has been paid for. But a new lens would have to come out of the new bike budget :)) Make the most of your couch time. Unfortunately I'm too stubborn to sit around on the couch. I was back at work first thing Monday morning. The days are a lot longer but I can't stand sitting around being bored. - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Another cycling injury :(
On Oct 16, 2007, at 4:35 PM, Brian Walters wrote: I managed to put a chain saw though my phone line on Saturday so I'm only now catching up with the list (yes, I knew the phone line was there.) Telstra are _that_ bad, eh? :) Sorry to hear about the fall, Dave. Hope recovery will be quicker than anticipated. On the bright side, it did happen *after* your visit to Sydney. Yes, I was deliberately riding a bit easier in the couple of weeks leading up to the trip. I would hate to have to carry six bottles of duty free while in this state :)) - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Another cycling injury :(
On Oct 16, 2007, at 10:40 AM, frank theriault wrote: I've never suffered as much pain in my (relatively pain-free) life! I feel your pain. I knew I was heading for a broken bone sometime soon but I wasn't expecting to do so in such a silly way. To be honest it was nowhere near as painful as I expected. I did nearly faint due to shock though. Now most of my pain is just muscular from not being able to move as much (the upper back has been particularly bad today). I haven't taken any painkillers today but I might do so shortly to help me sleep. I have managed to bump my arm a couple of times when getting into the car. That isn't fun. Hope you feel better fast. I'm proof that there is riding after such a break! It feels like it'll be forever but I'm not letting it get me down. The novelty of this new experience hasn't quite worn off yet :) - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Q re DA 16-45/4 on Film
Damn Dave - but I did get really good deals on both! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 5:45 PM Subject: Re: Q re DA 16-45/4 on Film At 03:40 PM 16/10/2007, John Coyle wrote: I've just bought a DA16-45 and a DA50-200, which will be my travelling kit, If I'd know you could have had mine cheap :-) I haven't used it once since I got back from Canada. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
For a second rate company, they do pretty well. Try shooting with a mid range or higher Canon somtime. Have a look at the D40. In 1972, Pentax was still more or less a big player in the marketplace, though they were already at least a generation out of step. People want decent lenses to be sure, and they can get that from any camera maker, but more than that, they want technological sophistication. That's true to a certain extent, but there are also many people who actually think it's more important that a product is easy to use and can do the job they want in an efficient manner, than that it's advanced, modern or high-tech, and who value usability more than features, or should I say feature creep? Those are the ones Pentax seem to be targeting, and I rather like them for it. It sort of makes me wish that Pentax were producing mobile phone, because then I might be able to buy one that's, well, a phone - and not an MP3 player, GPS, radio, Filofax, games console, toaster... Or a camera for that matter ;-) Right now, that means fast AF, and high frame rates. It's been about that for some 20 years, and Pentax has been way behind the curve for all of it. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
The merits of this photo are of little consequence or interest, but the notion that good street photography has to show a connection is, to my mind, silliness. Most of HCB's pics are of unaware subjects. And if the subject doesn't see the photographer, the focal length of the lens matters little. To me, it's more important to be able to achieve some selective focus -- blur the background -- than to be in the proximity of the subject. I think the big advantage of wider lenses has nothing to do with intimacy. It's a matter of not having to focus, or at least not having to focus accurately. Most often, when the subject sees the photographer, you get either stock pose or an angry response. Paul On Oct 16, 2007, at 12:24 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Hadn't looked at this one, Paul, but I have to agree with David. There's no sense of connection or intimacy to me. It's just a picture of some women, nicely exposed and composed but otherwise of no particular emotional merit. Godfrey I'm not sure what you mean, but I appreciate the comments. Thanks for looking. From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] It generates a detached feeling for me, and as such doesn't draw me in hold my interest. Another shot with the K 135/2.5 at the farmer's market this afternoon. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6529425size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
How many times has Tom said that over the last five years:-)). Paul On Oct 16, 2007, at 12:10 AM, Tom C wrote: LOL. You're not breaking it to me. I was being kind. :-) Pentax has a slim chance yet to recover. If they blow it in the next 6 - 12 months though, I susect they are done for. Tom C. From: Mark Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: pdml pdml@pdml.net Subject: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:59:17 -0400 I hate to break it to you, but in the USA, Pentax *is* a 2nd tier camera company. The company hasn't released a truly professional system camera here (or anywhere, actually) since the LX. The current high-end Pentax lens selection is miniscule compared to Canon and Nikon. Pentax does not provide the kind of professional support that Canon and Nikon do at major sporting events. Pentax products lack presence on store shelves in the USA. Etc. Tom C wrote: - Original Message - From: John Sessoms Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? If memory serves the other two are an over-priced Nissan and an over-priced Honda. I guess that depends on what your personal comfort is worth. William Robb My analogy was not about price, it was about image, prestige, perception in the market place. Sure a FF DSLR will cost more than one with an APS-C size sensor. If the Canons, Nikon's, Sony's of the world offer FF DSLR's, then Pentax must also. If they do not, they will relegate themselves to a 2nd tier camera company, and it doesn't matter who loves their camera, or how much it satisfies their current needs. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
Pentax autofocus keeps up quite nicely in CAF mode. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4834217size=lg http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6065859size=lg http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5786253size=lg http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5700158size=lg On Oct 16, 2007, at 2:41 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Oct 15, 2007, at 11:04 PM, William Robb wrote: Do try to appreciate that some people actually want a high spec camera body, whether or not they will use it to the maximum of it's abilities. Not all of us shoot dead objects sitting on sidewalks. I have two dogs that can easily outrun the AF on my K10. I was sent, from another list member, a picture of a Terv at full gallop, running towards the camera. Apparently, the AF had no trouble keeping up, as the dog was tack sharp. She uses a Canon of some sort. No way in hell a Pentax would keep up to it. I don't necessarily want a full frame camera, but I would like something that can keep up with my dogs. So buy a Canon. They're good for that sort of thing. I don't shoot only dead things sitting on the sidewalk either, thank you. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
Why is that, Mr Data? Jean Luc, after generating a particularly obtuse histogram in the red channel. From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/16 Tue AM 12:41:08 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? Tea. Earl grey. Hot - Ditto same guy Cheers, Dave On 10/16/07, Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Engage. - Same guy. Regards, Bob... Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection. -Jean Luc Godard - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:21 PM Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? On 15/10/07, Bob Blakely, discombobulated, unleashed: Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection. -Jean Luc Godard Make it so. - Jean Luc Picard ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
On 10/15/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I suck at street photography, so my opinion is probably worth jack. But I do enjoy good examples of the genre. Glad we only have lane ways and paths here.:-) Dave Cheers, Dave At 09:27 AM 16/10/2007, Paul Stenquist wrote: That's the photographic equivealent of PC nonsense. I'm less than a dozen feet away from the subjects. If you use a wide lens and the subject doesn't see you, it's not a sniper shot? Albano has frequently mentioned how he likes the fact that the DA 16-45 looks like a telephoto at its widest point. The subject, he notes, doesn't realize he's being photographed. Now if one prefers the wide angle look with a sharp background a greater fov that's one thing, but it has nothing to do with sniping. That's total bullshit. Paul On Oct 15, 2007, at 8:27 PM, David Savage wrote: It's a long range sniper shot. Personally I don't find that kind street photography appealing. When I compare it to the work by those who get in close with a wide lens, it lacks the intimacy of that style. Cheers, Dave On 10/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure what you mean, but I appreciate the comments. Thanks for looking. Paul -- Original message -- From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] It generates a detached feeling for me, and as such doesn't draw me in hold my interest. Cheers, Dave On 10/15/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another shot with the K 135/2.5 at the farmer's market this afternoon. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6529425size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
On 10/16/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/15/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I suck at street photography, so my opinion is probably worth jack. But I do enjoy good examples of the genre. Glad we only have lane ways and paths here.:-) HAR! Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT Grand Rapids Michigan
There is a chance i will be going to Grand Rapids, more specifically Holland, Michigan for an escort trip to Sault Ste Marie next week, and then points beyond back in Canada. Probably no time to visit, but, camera worthy area? :-) Dave -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - August Morning - without sun.
On 10/15/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html Taken in Seney NWR, in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, last August. Comments appreciated Wonderful mood! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - Before the Taps
http://tinyurl.com/2ztc3h http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RxSoUsA_AII/Az8/BRNANgMjtKc/s1600-h/oct_16+005.jpg Comments always welcome. Thanks! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
Actually it's just ingrained muscle memory, years of having to use vi while maintaining services on Unix machines means that the basic editing commands are pretty much automatic. vi is ideal for that use, it's lightweight and everything has it. I still :wq on a regular basis in just about every other editor/word processor. If you want punishment, use emacs. All the weight of Word, none of the Eye Candy. -Adam P. J. Alling wrote: You are a glutton for punishment... Adam Maas wrote: I use vi -Adam Always the odd one out. Tom C wrote: It'll likely be a matter of attrition. What % of people here use WordPerfect as opposed to MS Word? I'll bet it's a 5/95 ratio if not higher. Not too different from where Pentax stands in the market, despite some recent relative success with the K10D. Your suppositions are probably correct. When I say done for, I'm not predicting when... I'm saying that inevitable market forces will finally take their toll, unless something changes quickly. Tom C. From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:20:34 -0400 Why? Pentax has never been a player in the Pro 35mm market. Not being one now will make little difference. I expect to see them bring out a body above the K10D within the next 6 months, or a K10D 'successor' that is little more than the new Sony 12MP sensor and a new shutter in the K10D body, perhaps with a higher framerate. I don't expect to see a Pentax body above the $1300 or so price point. -Adam Tom C wrote: LOL. You're not breaking it to me. I was being kind. :-) Pentax has a slim chance yet to recover. If they blow it in the next 6 - 12 months though, I susect they are done for. Tom C. From: Mark Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: pdml pdml@pdml.net Subject: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:59:17 -0400 I hate to break it to you, but in the USA, Pentax *is* a 2nd tier camera company. The company hasn't released a truly professional system camera here (or anywhere, actually) since the LX. The current high-end Pentax lens selection is miniscule compared to Canon and Nikon. Pentax does not provide the kind of professional support that Canon and Nikon do at major sporting events. Pentax products lack presence on store shelves in the USA. Etc. Tom C wrote: - Original Message - From: John Sessoms Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? If memory serves the other two are an over-priced Nissan and an over-priced Honda. I guess that depends on what your personal comfort is worth. William Robb My analogy was not about price, it was about image, prestige, perception in the market place. Sure a FF DSLR will cost more than one with an APS-C size sensor. If the Canons, Nikon's, Sony's of the world offer FF DSLR's, then Pentax must also. If they do not, they will relegate themselves to a 2nd tier camera company, and it doesn't matter who loves their camera, or how much it satisfies their current needs. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: David Savage Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? So buy a Canon. They're good for that sort of thing. I was waiting for that It would be good advice, and I'd probably take it, except for the impractibility of it. William Robb Your FA and earlier lenses will work on a 40D with adaptors, much like apre-A lenses on the K10D. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Time Wind II
On 10/14/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another one from Pebble Beach in Half Moon Bay. http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/timewind2.htm Comments welcome. Haven't seen #1 yet, but I love this one. The blending of the two different colours of sand makes it. Wonderful abstract composition. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Lens Neglect
On 10/14/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a superb lens that I don't use often enough: the K 135/2.5. Here's a K10D shot at f2.5/1.500th ISO 100. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6528958 Beautiful shot. Love the simple, spare composition. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? I don't necessarily want a full frame camera, but I would like something that can keep up with my dogs. So buy a Canon. They're good for that sort of thing. I'd rather Pentax built a camera that was up to the standard of a five year old Canon. I could live with that, and use my present lenses to boot. They have, a K10D outperforms the EOS 10D in every way (including AF). It's the newer mid-range Canons that actually have fast AF, the '5 year old Canon' doesn't (Actually the 10D is newer than that, the D60 is the 5 year old model and is outperformed by a K100D). -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
On 10/14/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another shot with the K 135/2.5 at the farmer's market this afternoon. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6529425size=lg I don't see a gourd, I see three very pretty women looking at some lump of a vegetable or something. ;-) Wonderful shot. Love the expressions. You've got an eye for the ladies, Mr. S! One of my favourite lenses, too, BTW Paul... cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? For a second rate company, they do pretty well. Try shooting with a mid range or higher Canon somtime. Have a look at the D40. In 1972, Pentax was still more or less a big player in the marketplace, though they were already at least a generation out of step. People want decent lenses to be sure, and they can get that from any camera maker, but more than that, they want technological sophistication. Right now, that means fast AF, and high frame rates. It's been about that for some 20 years, and Pentax has been way behind the curve for all of it. William Robb D40 - low-end 6MP Nikon 40D - mid-range 10MP Canon Bloody namespace collisions. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
In the words of Commander Data Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing. Peter -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
Bob Blakely wrote: Will, sometimes there is nothing we can do but bow to the absurd. - Picard, again... I'm a physician, not a bricklayer! - Dr. McCoy ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
Adam Maas wrote: Tom C wrote: It'll likely be a matter of attrition. What % of people here use WordPerfect as opposed to MS Word? I use vi Open Office here. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
Toralf Lund wrote: It sort of makes me wish that Pentax were producing mobile phone, because then I might be able to buy one that's, well, a phone - and not an MP3 player, GPS, radio, Filofax, games console, toaster... Or a camera for that matter ;-) I'd never have thought of it if you hadn't brought it up, but I second that motion enthusiastically! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Lens Neglect
Thanks for commenting on this and my other PESO. Printed this one just now. Had to have it on paper. Paul On Oct 16, 2007, at 8:29 AM, frank theriault wrote: On 10/14/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a superb lens that I don't use often enough: the K 135/2.5. Here's a K10D shot at f2.5/1.500th ISO 100. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6528958 Beautiful shot. Love the simple, spare composition. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - Rob Zombie
Today seems to be profile day. ;-) Toronto bike messenger Rob Zombie (In reality his last name isn't Zombie - isn't there a rock star, perhaps with the group Korn with that name?). It was very dark in the bar, so I was focusing manually. I was glad for the bright viewfinder of the *istD! http://tinyurl.com/37gop6 http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RxSoQsA_AHI/Az0/XCIqZvOHGGI/s1600-h/oct_16+004.jpg Comments always welcome. Thanks. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Before the Taps
From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/16 Tue PM 12:09:19 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net Subject: PESO - Before the Taps http://tinyurl.com/2ztc3h http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RxSoUsA_AII/Az8/BRNANgMjtKc/s1600-h/oct_16+005.jpg Comments always welcome. Thanks! All is well with the world. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - August Morning - without sun.
Nice colors in that one, the green is beautifully rich and I love the reflection in between. rg2 On 10/16/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/15/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html Taken in Seney NWR, in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, last August. Comments appreciated Wonderful mood! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- the subject of a photograph is far less important than its composition -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO -- Mel and Baileys
On 10/15/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking about neglected lenses. I've got a bunch of lenses I never seem to use here's one of them. 24mm makes for a nice medium wide AOV on APS-C sensors. I decided to leave this as an environmental portrait, though there were a number of crops that worked. http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%20melandbaileys.html Equipment: Pentax *ist-Ds/smc Pentax A 24mm f2.8 Notes: This was shot at ISO 1600 and I applied moderate noise reduction, so the finished product isn't as sharp as it could be. As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. Terrific photo. There's something about her body language that I find very compelling: she's making herself so tiny, she looks so vulnerable in this picture. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Mr. Owl's Leftovers
cool lighting! very creepy... rg2 On 10/13/07, Evan Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great Shot! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- the subject of a photograph is far less important than its composition -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Hope
On 10/15/07, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A few weeks ago we had our annual Parkway Run/Walk to benefit our cancer research program at The Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. About 5000 people turned out. I took lots of photos, including this quick grab, which summarizes what all of us want for our kids: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6533209 K10D, FA 70-200, ISO 200, f/8 @ 1/250, RAW via Lightroom. Brave souls among you can look at the whole gallery: http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=774403 It was a beautiful day, which meant that the light was very harsh and the shooting was difficult. Rick Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. The expression on the child's face is perfect. Wonderful photo! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
On 10/16/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Toralf Lund wrote: It sort of makes me wish that Pentax were producing mobile phone, because then I might be able to buy one that's, well, a phone - and not an MP3 player, GPS, radio, Filofax, games console, toaster... Or a camera for that matter ;-) I'd never have thought of it if you hadn't brought it up, but I second that motion enthusiastically! I reckon if Pentax made mobile phones it'd be a collapsible can and a long piece of string. :-) Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Rob Zombie
He looks either very tired, in deep thought, or possibly quite drunk ;) nice grab! :o) rg2 On 10/16/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today seems to be profile day. ;-) Toronto bike messenger Rob Zombie (In reality his last name isn't Zombie - isn't there a rock star, perhaps with the group Korn with that name?). It was very dark in the bar, so I was focusing manually. I was glad for the bright viewfinder of the *istD! http://tinyurl.com/37gop6 http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RxSoQsA_AHI/Az0/XCIqZvOHGGI/s1600-h/oct_16+004.jpg Comments always welcome. Thanks. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- the subject of a photograph is far less important than its composition -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Time Wind II
Nature's Relief. Random wind carvings are interesting to study. This being no exception. Holds my eye for a pleasant period. Jack --- Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really like the textures and colors in both of these. What is missing for me, though, is scale. They could be taken from 2 feet or 2000 feet away. Maybe a shell or bit of seaweed or something to give us a hint? Rick --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another one from Pebble Beach in Half Moon Bay. http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/timewind2.htm Comments welcome. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Grand Rapids Michigan
Dave, Let us know when, it's about 3 hours from me... closer to Mark Cassino. Fall colors should be good now in Michigan and the lakeshore is always good, if you have the time. Regards, Bob S. On 10/16/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a chance i will be going to Grand Rapids, more specifically Holland, Michigan for an escort trip to Sault Ste Marie next week, and then points beyond back in Canada. Probably no time to visit, but, camera worthy area? :-) Dave -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Lens Neglect
On 10/14/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a superb lens that I don't use often enough: the K 135/2.5. Here's a K10D shot at f2.5/1.500th ISO 100. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6528958 Paul, I completely agree about this lens. I have neglected mine for too long as well. http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/07_04/07_04_rose/index.htm D -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Mr. Owl's Leftovers
On 10/12/07, John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.neovenator.com/2007/10/mr_11.html Completely natural shot (lighting and everything) that I nearly stepped on while hiking through a small redwood forest in Santa Cruz, CA. It's sufficiently creepy to be the October image for my 2008 calendar. :) Would look terrific all blow'd up. Amazing lighting. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Happy B'Day K-mount Page
Man, I really hate Boz's site. It (and Stan's site http://stans-photography.info/) has been the source (sinkhole) for so much lost funds due to LBA. (Of course, by hate, I really mean love love love). Happy birthday, k-page. And thanks Stan. D David J Brooks wrote: I used Boz's site many times in researching my early 2000 purchases, when i decided in really wanted to get back into photography. Thanks for all thew work Dave On 10/13/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I notice that he mentions that On October 12, 1997 I posted a message on some Internet forum titled Here is a list of all Pentax-made K-Mount lenses and sent a link to an HTML page with a single table containing some 40 lenses. I think that mailing list was this one. How soon they forget... David Savage wrote: For those of you who don't frequent DPReview, Bojidar has reminded us that his K-mount page is now 10 years old: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=25185517 And he's updated it's look too http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/ Cheers, Dave -- Remember, it's pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: SF Fleet Week Air Show (Blue Angels More)
On 10/13/07, John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://picasaweb.google.com/neopifex/AirShow2007?authkey=9Paapknvlfo There are 59 (!) photos in the gallery (I really need an editor...), so if you want to try a small handful first, try this link: http://www.neovenator.com/2007/10/big-gallery-of-air-show-photos-blue.html Those are a few of my favorites, though I had a hard time picking them out. The one I posted last week is part of the main gallery, though I haven't had time to try that de-blurring software on it yet. It took me long enough to get through all 321 (!) shots I took at the show! All photos were taken with the K500mm f4.5 at approx 1/2000, f8, ISO 400. Terrific gallery, John. I'm not generally on-list on the weekends (I've got stuff to do, so I do most of my list stuff from the office), and often Mondays are so busy I don't get much of a chance to cruise the list, so today's the first chance I've had to look at PESOs and GESOs. Some great shots there; generally very high quality among all the photos! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
A -Chewbacca Peter Fairweather [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/16/2007 2:37 AM On 15/10/2007, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15/10/07, Bob Blakely, discombobulated, unleashed: Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection. -Jean Luc Godard Make it so. - Jean Luc Picard Cheers, Cotty Indeed! -Teal'c -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:47145dff112749524890609! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO:Magnolia Gardens
On 10/13/07, Rebekah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I finally made it out to the gardens at the Magnolia Plantation. I can't say enough about the place - everywhere I looked there was a beautiful scene, animal, or flower to photograph, and the weather turned out to be perfect - first foggy, then sunny with everything covered in dew, and then it showered lightly for ten minutes, and the sun came out again and everything was covered in rain drops. Most of my shots were taken on Velvia, so it may be quite some time before I'm able to show any of them here. However, I did shoot one roll of regular color film, and this picture is my favorite from that roll. http://picasaweb.google.com/rg2pdml/PESO/photo?authkey=W1C-i05p28o#5120829586467132594 That was 400 speed film and a 15-30mm lens. I straightened this picture out a bit; it seems the bridge I was standing on wasn't quite level or else I had my tripod improperly set up. Interestingly, as a side note, this film is actually some generic film I grabbed at a sale at Walgreens going for 99 cents a roll. I shot it mostly out of curiousity, but I can't say the results were horrible. Thanks everyone for looking! And come with me next time, I'll probably be going again next Sunday :) It's a lovely shot. My only problem with it is that the sky's a bit washed out. The glass-like reflection of the sky is about perfect, though, so if that's the trade-off, I'm fine with that. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Rob Zombie
Excellent portrait. You should make him a print. Paul -- Original message -- From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Today seems to be profile day. ;-) Toronto bike messenger Rob Zombie (In reality his last name isn't Zombie - isn't there a rock star, perhaps with the group Korn with that name?). It was very dark in the bar, so I was focusing manually. I was glad for the bright viewfinder of the *istD! http://tinyurl.com/37gop6 http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RxSoQsA_AHI/Az0/XCIqZvOHGGI/s1600-h/ oct_16+004.jpg Comments always welcome. Thanks. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Lens Neglect
Some excellent pics here. Paul -- Original message -- From: Derby Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 10/14/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a superb lens that I don't use often enough: the K 135/2.5. Here's a K10D shot at f2.5/1.500th ISO 100. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6528958 Paul, I completely agree about this lens. I have neglected mine for too long as well. http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/07_04/07_04_rose/index.htm D -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Before the Taps
Unique. Interesting. I like it. Paul -- Original message -- From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/16 Tue PM 12:09:19 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net Subject: PESO - Before the Taps http://tinyurl.com/2ztc3h http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RxSoUsA_AII/Az8/BRNANgMjtKc/s1600-h/ oct_16+005.jpg Comments always welcome. Thanks! All is well with the world. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
Adam Maas wrote: And to William - I'd probably be a Republican if I was an American, it's a more comfortable party to a small-l libertarian like me. -Adam Republican, libertarian? Really (OK, I'm Australian, but I could raise the same eyebrow about the Liberal Party of Australia, a part of the coalition of the willing) http://www.jonathangullible.com/mmedia/PhilosophyOfLiberty-english_music.swf You have the right to seek leaders for yourself, but you do not have the right to impose rulers on others D -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
Who knows? Pentax is effectively a bigger company now, or at least as long as Hoya is willing to put some money into the Imaging division. Hoya may smell some profit in Pentax lenses, especially since they can supply the blanks at cost. In the old film days, you could lag behind in technology as long as the basic features were done well, i.e., good optics, shutters, etc. A fancy new segmented meter was nice but you could get away without it. Film was the common piece of technology and everyone had to use it. Leica was an even more extreme example of this approach than Pentax. It's harder now. What is a basic DSLR? Digital is so much more tied to technology because of the sensors. And, of course, there's AF which is a much more difficult and variable feature than AE and one in which Pentax really fell behind. The big issue here is again the lenses, as the new DA* lenses will bring AF speed much closer to the market leaders. Here again, Hoya can make some money. Canon (and Nikon, but especially Canon) will always be ahead of Pentax in feature-rich body design since they have so much more RD money. The real question is convergence. At what point will all DSLR bodies be good enough to make extra features irrelevant to all but the very top end? I suspect that AF will evolve the longest, rather than sensor design. Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/16/2007 12:10 AM LOL. You're not breaking it to me. I was being kind. :-) Pentax has a slim chance yet to recover. If they blow it in the next 6 - 12 months though, I susect they are done for. Tom C. From: Mark Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: pdml pdml@pdml.net Subject: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:59:17 -0400 I hate to break it to you, but in the USA, Pentax *is* a 2nd tier camera company. The company hasn't released a truly professional system camera here (or anywhere, actually) since the LX. The current high-end Pentax lens selection is miniscule compared to Canon and Nikon. Pentax does not provide the kind of professional support that Canon and Nikon do at major sporting events. Pentax products lack presence on store shelves in the USA. Etc. Tom C wrote: - Original Message - From: John Sessoms Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? If memory serves the other two are an over-priced Nissan and an over-priced Honda. I guess that depends on what your personal comfort is worth. William Robb My analogy was not about price, it was about image, prestige, perception in the market place. Sure a FF DSLR will cost more than one with an APS-C size sensor. If the Canons, Nikon's, Sony's of the world offer FF DSLR's, then Pentax must also. If they do not, they will relegate themselves to a 2nd tier camera company, and it doesn't matter who loves their camera, or how much it satisfies their current needs. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:47143b5960531152253610! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
David Savage wrote: On 10/16/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Toralf Lund wrote: It sort of makes me wish that Pentax were producing mobile phone, because then I might be able to buy one that's, well, a phone - and not an MP3 player, GPS, radio, Filofax, games console, toaster... Or a camera for that matter ;-) I'd never have thought of it if you hadn't brought it up, but I second that motion enthusiastically! I reckon if Pentax made mobile phones it'd be a collapsible can and a long piece of string. :-) Cheers, Dave Which would probably be an upgrade over the current 'everything but a decent phone' models. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Hope
Thanks, Frank and Paul. --- frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/15/07, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A few weeks ago we had our annual Parkway Run/Walk to benefit our cancer research program at The Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. About 5000 people turned out. I took lots of photos, including this quick grab, which summarizes what all of us want for our kids: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6533209 K10D, FA 70-200, ISO 200, f/8 @ 1/250, RAW via Lightroom. Brave souls among you can look at the whole gallery: http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=774403 It was a beautiful day, which meant that the light was very harsh and the shooting was difficult. Rick Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. The expression on the child's face is perfect. Wonderful photo! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/index.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
Steve Desjardins wrote: Peter Fairweather wrote: On 15/10/2007, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15/10/07, Bob Blakely, discombobulated, unleashed: Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection. -Jean Luc Godard Make it so. - Jean Luc Picard Indeed! -Teal'c A -Chewbacca Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so. - Ford Prefect -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Mr. Owl's Leftovers
frank theriault wrote: On 10/12/07, John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.neovenator.com/2007/10/mr_11.html Completely natural shot (lighting and everything) that I nearly stepped on while hiking through a small redwood forest in Santa Cruz, CA. It's sufficiently creepy to be the October image for my 2008 calendar. :) Would look terrific all blow'd up. Amazing lighting. cheers, frank Shiver. Excellent shot - everything looks like a skeleton, even the fronds. D -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:22:50 +0100, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well yes it was a pissing match. But I'm not mad a Adam because he wouldn't back down. In fact I learned a few things from him. I just don't agree that they're the whole reason for the high ISO improvements. WW has managed to piss me off enough that he's back in my Kill file with Dobo, Rubinstine(sp), (just in case they ever raise their heads again, and a couple of others who shall remain nameless, because I can't refrain from arguing with them, not because they're bad people). William is mostly just nasty, and revels in it. William's only problem is that he doesn't suffer fools gladly. John -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing
Whenever I send pictures for a competition or so, I ask my wife or oldest daughter to edit. As they are more on a distance, there choice is a lot different from mine and I notice yields also more proze winners. Op Di, 16 oktober, 2007 03:54, schreef John Celio: How do you decide what to cut and what to keep when you've shot more than one good photo of a subject? Assuming you feel like all or most of the photos of said subject are good, how do you distance yourself from your personal attachment to your work or subject, in order to objectively edit it all down to something more manageable than (for instance) the big ol' gallery I posted over the weekend? Objectivity is the goal, I think. How do you achieve it? John (the above is all one question, phrased in different ways) -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Frits Wüthrich -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
Derby Chang wrote: Adam Maas wrote: And to William - I'd probably be a Republican if I was an American, it's a more comfortable party to a small-l libertarian like me. -Adam Republican, libertarian? Really (OK, I'm Australian, but I could raise the same eyebrow about the Liberal Party of Australia, a part of the coalition of the willing) http://www.jonathangullible.com/mmedia/PhilosophyOfLiberty-english_music.swf You have the right to seek leaders for yourself, but you do not have the right to impose rulers on others D The Republican's are less wedded to the Big Government ideal. I'm very not fond of their tendency to try and regulate morality via social practices, but I'm even less fond of the Democrats tendency to look at everybody as having group-based identities rather than individual identities and their unfortunate tendency to legislate morality via economic practices. As it goes, here in Canada I tend to flip-flop between the Conservative Party (Good on economics and OK on small government, bad on social issues) and the NDP (good on social issues, bad on economics. At least they will use the money they take from me to benefit the poor, while the Liberals prefer to benefit only their cronies) It doesn't help that the US Libertarian Party (the obvious home for a libertarian) is made up primarily of outright kooks with no connection to reality. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing
John Celio wrote: How do you decide what to cut and what to keep when you've shot more than one good photo of a subject? Well, start by admitting that objectivity in art doesn't exist and, perhaps, changing the word good to what you are personally happy with. Assuming you feel like all or most of the photos of said subject are good, how do you distance yourself from your personal attachment to your work or subject, in order to objectively edit it all down to something more manageable than (for instance) the big ol' gallery I posted over the weekend? I didn't see anything on line anywhere this past weekend (by anyone) - so can't comment on that (cause I was in a big old Scrabble tourney and had a big old house guest - I deleted without reading just about everything in my inbox so I have to skip commenting on that :) ) Objectivity is the goal, I think. How do you achieve it? John I don't think objectivity is a goal or a possibility for an artist... any artist... but getting distance from whatever you have created helps. Time is a huge factor in this Showing two photos to others/or one person ** whose work and eye you respect and admire ** and asking which they prefer and why might lead you in the right direction. You need to please yourself first, though, unless you are doing all this stuff solely for monetary gain - then your goal is to simply please your client :) Hopefully, you can support yourself by doing both . I recently (last week) asked for the opinion from the list of my fiddling in photoshop with some photos some of which I liked and didn't myself and couldn't make up my mind... the responses were all over the map, though there was a leading toward A instead of B . I had gotten too enchanted with the process and the comments were a reality check. ann (the above is all one question, phrased in different ways) -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing
Well, once I got rid of the technically bad stuff, it was easy. I let the customer decide. Commercial as opposed to art photography is easy that way. I have never been an art photographer, so it was normally up to someone else to make that kind of decision. The only time it happened that I had to do it was for an exhibition or my portfolio. Both of those were rather easy because the photos had been taken long enough in the past that the excitement of making them no longer affected my decision. So I guess the answer to this question is wait a while. BTW, if anyone is interested, back in the old days the rule of thumb was that if you cut more than 10% of your shots for technical reasons you needed to learn photography. In later years I found that 90% of the bad stuff was lab related rather than photographer related. Now 90% of the technically bad photos are that way because I am too lazy to fight my automatic digital camera (the one I have has a lousy manual interface, plus it loses any custom setting every time I change the batteries). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Grand Rapids Michigan
If you can not find camera subjects in Holland or SSM then you are blind. Both are the kind of place you go to shoot photos on your holiday. Of course I have not been in either place in the past 20 years, so maybe I am wrong grin. David J Brooks wrote: There is a chance i will be going to Grand Rapids, more specifically Holland, Michigan for an escort trip to Sault Ste Marie next week, and then points beyond back in Canada. Probably no time to visit, but, camera worthy area? :-) Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Grand Rapids Michigan
Tom, Like you, that would make them two decades older and presumably give them more visible character... Right? ;) CW - Original Message - From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:56 AM Subject: Re: OT Grand Rapids Michigan If you can not find camera subjects in Holland or SSM then you are blind. Both are the kind of place you go to shoot photos on your holiday. Of course I have not been in either place in the past 20 years, so maybe I am wrong grin. David J Brooks wrote: There is a chance i will be going to Grand Rapids, more specifically Holland, Michigan for an escort trip to Sault Ste Marie next week, and then points beyond back in Canada. Probably no time to visit, but, camera worthy area? :-) Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.12/1073 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 8:22 AM -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Before the Taps
Nothing against silhouettes but this one does nothing for me. frank theriault wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2ztc3h http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RxSoUsA_AII/Az8/BRNANgMjtKc/s1600-h/oct_16+005.jpg Comments always welcome. Thanks! cheers, frank -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
But it's extensible using LISP, how could that be bad? Adam Maas wrote: Actually it's just ingrained muscle memory, years of having to use vi while maintaining services on Unix machines means that the basic editing commands are pretty much automatic. vi is ideal for that use, it's lightweight and everything has it. I still :wq on a regular basis in just about every other editor/word processor. If you want punishment, use emacs. All the weight of Word, none of the Eye Candy. -Adam P. J. Alling wrote: You are a glutton for punishment... Adam Maas wrote: I use vi -Adam Always the odd one out. Tom C wrote: It'll likely be a matter of attrition. What % of people here use WordPerfect as opposed to MS Word? I'll bet it's a 5/95 ratio if not higher. Not too different from where Pentax stands in the market, despite some recent relative success with the K10D. Your suppositions are probably correct. When I say done for, I'm not predicting when... I'm saying that inevitable market forces will finally take their toll, unless something changes quickly. Tom C. From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:20:34 -0400 Why? Pentax has never been a player in the Pro 35mm market. Not being one now will make little difference. I expect to see them bring out a body above the K10D within the next 6 months, or a K10D 'successor' that is little more than the new Sony 12MP sensor and a new shutter in the K10D body, perhaps with a higher framerate. I don't expect to see a Pentax body above the $1300 or so price point. -Adam Tom C wrote: LOL. You're not breaking it to me. I was being kind. :-) Pentax has a slim chance yet to recover. If they blow it in the next 6 - 12 months though, I susect they are done for. Tom C. From: Mark Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: pdml pdml@pdml.net Subject: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:59:17 -0400 I hate to break it to you, but in the USA, Pentax *is* a 2nd tier camera company. The company hasn't released a truly professional system camera here (or anywhere, actually) since the LX. The current high-end Pentax lens selection is miniscule compared to Canon and Nikon. Pentax does not provide the kind of professional support that Canon and Nikon do at major sporting events. Pentax products lack presence on store shelves in the USA. Etc. Tom C wrote: - Original Message - From: John Sessoms Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? If memory serves the other two are an over-priced Nissan and an over-priced Honda. I guess that depends on what your personal comfort is worth. William Robb My analogy was not about price, it was about image, prestige, perception in the market place. Sure a FF DSLR will cost more than one with an APS-C size sensor. If the Canons, Nikon's, Sony's of the world offer FF DSLR's, then Pentax must also. If they do not, they will relegate themselves to a 2nd tier camera company, and it doesn't matter who loves their camera, or how much it satisfies their current needs. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
Paul, With all due respect, from your words you simply don't 'get' street photography. It's all about connection, interaction, between the subject and the photographer, the subjects and their surroundings, or between the subjects themselves: a wry or insightful eye for intimacy, juxtaposition, contrast of circumstance whether intended or accidental. My comment has/had very little to do with focal length. Shorter focal lengths, however, permit an intimate perspective, a sense of connection ... not isolation. Selective focus and shallow DoF is isolating, does not embue the work with a sense of connection. It becomes glimpses of people at a distance with little to affect one way or another. Godfrey On Oct 16, 2007, at 3:07 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: The merits of this photo are of little consequence or interest, but the notion that good street photography has to show a connection is, to my mind, silliness. Most of HCB's pics are of unaware subjects. And if the subject doesn't see the photographer, the focal length of the lens matters little. To me, it's more important to be able to achieve some selective focus -- blur the background -- than to be in the proximity of the subject. I think the big advantage of wider lenses has nothing to do with intimacy. It's a matter of not having to focus, or at least not having to focus accurately. Most often, when the subject sees the photographer, you get either stock pose or an angry response. Paul On Oct 16, 2007, at 12:24 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Hadn't looked at this one, Paul, but I have to agree with David. There's no sense of connection or intimacy to me. It's just a picture of some women, nicely exposed and composed but otherwise of no particular emotional merit. Godfrey I'm not sure what you mean, but I appreciate the comments. Thanks for looking. From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] It generates a detached feeling for me, and as such doesn't draw me in hold my interest. Another shot with the K 135/2.5 at the farmer's market this afternoon. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6529425size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA)?
And, of course, there's AF which is a much more difficult and variable feature than AE and one in which Pentax really fell behind. The big issue here is again the lenses, as the new DA* lenses will bring AF speed much closer to the market leaders. Unfortunately, the DA* lenses don't focus noticeably faster with SDM than with shaft drive. I made it a point to try mine with shaft drive AF for a few days before installing firmware 1.3 and using them with SDM. About a year ago, a Pentax engineer essentially admitted that SDM wouldn't bring faster AF. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
I'm a Doctor not a Sturgeon. (well McCoy should have said it, sometime...) Mark Roberts wrote: Bob Blakely wrote: Will, sometimes there is nothing we can do but bow to the absurd. - Picard, again... I'm a physician, not a bricklayer! - Dr. McCoy ;-) -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Grand Rapids Michigan
On 10/16/07, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you can not find camera subjects in Holland or SSM then you are blind. Both are the kind of place you go to shoot photos on your holiday. Of course I have not been in either place in the past 20 years, so maybe I am wrong grin. Well its been 55 years and a few days for me.LOL Thanks Tom, i have never been to that area, so we'll see. Dave David J Brooks wrote: There is a chance i will be going to Grand Rapids, more specifically Holland, Michigan for an escort trip to Sault Ste Marie next week, and then points beyond back in Canada. Probably no time to visit, but, camera worthy area? :-) Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Hope
Good eye Rick. Perfect shirt for the occasion. Dave On 10/15/07, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A few weeks ago we had our annual Parkway Run/Walk to benefit our cancer research program at The Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. About 5000 people turned out. I took lots of photos, including this quick grab, which summarizes what all of us want for our kids: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6533209 K10D, FA 70-200, ISO 200, f/8 @ 1/250, RAW via Lightroom. Brave souls among you can look at the whole gallery: http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=774403 It was a beautiful day, which meant that the light was very harsh and the shooting was difficult. Rick Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Before the Taps
Going for the Tony Sweet style eh.:-) Interesting Dave On 10/16/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2ztc3h http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RxSoUsA_AII/Az8/BRNANgMjtKc/s1600-h/oct_16+005.jpg Comments always welcome. Thanks! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing
But do you get as many poetry winners? Frits Wüthrich wrote: Whenever I send pictures for a competition or so, I ask my wife or oldest daughter to edit. As they are more on a distance, there choice is a lot different from mine and I notice yields also more proze winners. Op Di, 16 oktober, 2007 03:54, schreef John Celio: How do you decide what to cut and what to keep when you've shot more than one good photo of a subject? Assuming you feel like all or most of the photos of said subject are good, how do you distance yourself from your personal attachment to your work or subject, in order to objectively edit it all down to something more manageable than (for instance) the big ol' gallery I posted over the weekend? Objectivity is the goal, I think. How do you achieve it? John (the above is all one question, phrased in different ways) -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
Oh I don't know. :-) My statement was a little different. I'm saying that they have gained a little respect with the K10D and now is the prime time to capitalize on it with a camera body that looks like they're trying to compete with the very high-mid/high range offerings from Canon and Nikon. To really do that, it needs to be FF. Tom C. From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 06:08:13 -0400 How many times has Tom said that over the last five years:-)). Paul On Oct 16, 2007, at 12:10 AM, Tom C wrote: LOL. You're not breaking it to me. I was being kind. :-) Pentax has a slim chance yet to recover. If they blow it in the next 6 - 12 months though, I susect they are done for. Tom C. From: Mark Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: pdml pdml@pdml.net Subject: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:59:17 -0400 I hate to break it to you, but in the USA, Pentax *is* a 2nd tier camera company. The company hasn't released a truly professional system camera here (or anywhere, actually) since the LX. The current high-end Pentax lens selection is miniscule compared to Canon and Nikon. Pentax does not provide the kind of professional support that Canon and Nikon do at major sporting events. Pentax products lack presence on store shelves in the USA. Etc. Tom C wrote: - Original Message - From: John Sessoms Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? If memory serves the other two are an over-priced Nissan and an over-priced Honda. I guess that depends on what your personal comfort is worth. William Robb My analogy was not about price, it was about image, prestige, perception in the market place. Sure a FF DSLR will cost more than one with an APS-C size sensor. If the Canons, Nikon's, Sony's of the world offer FF DSLR's, then Pentax must also. If they do not, they will relegate themselves to a 2nd tier camera company, and it doesn't matter who loves their camera, or how much it satisfies their current needs. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Grand Rapids Michigan
That might be a bit to far, depending on any free time, if any.:-) I'll let you know Dave On 10/16/07, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave, Let us know when, it's about 3 hours from me... closer to Mark Cassino. Fall colors should be good now in Michigan and the lakeshore is always good, if you have the time. Regards, Bob S. On 10/16/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a chance i will be going to Grand Rapids, more specifically Holland, Michigan for an escort trip to Sault Ste Marie next week, and then points beyond back in Canada. Probably no time to visit, but, camera worthy area? :-) Dave -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
On Oct 16, 2007, at 6:46 AM, Steve Desjardins wrote: Canon (and Nikon, but especially Canon) will always be ahead of Pentax in feature-rich body design since they have so much more RD money. Not always true. Neither Canon nor Nikon have Pentax' MTF program line, and Sv, TAv exposure modes as far as I'm aware. The real question is convergence. At what point will all DSLR bodies be good enough to make extra features irrelevant to all but the very top end? I suspect that AF will evolve the longest, rather than sensor design. Personally, I feel that point has happened already. It depends a lot on what you're after, what you need or want. I look for core competencies: imaging quality, noise, lens qualities. I don't really care much about high speed sequence capture, AF, etc. For me, most of the DSLRs available since the introduction of the Canon 10D work well enough that my principle discriminators are lens line and control ergonomics, adaptability. Others, with other needs or desires, want more stuff. ;-) G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
Libertarian philosophy works well in two places, a position of absolute strength or utopia. Since neither exists it must be modified to match current conditions. I've often thought that pure libertarians lived in utopia, though it's also strange that the first place I heard the execrable words Politically Correct, used in earnest was at a Libertarian meeting. I has always thought of them as Marxist jargon before. Derby Chang wrote: Adam Maas wrote: And to William - I'd probably be a Republican if I was an American, it's a more comfortable party to a small-l libertarian like me. -Adam Republican, libertarian? Really (OK, I'm Australian, but I could raise the same eyebrow about the Liberal Party of Australia, a part of the coalition of the willing) http://www.jonathangullible.com/mmedia/PhilosophyOfLiberty-english_music.swf You have the right to seek leaders for yourself, but you do not have the right to impose rulers on others D -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO:Magnolia Gardens
Nice shot. I like how you used another tree as a frame. Thats something i try to do and seems to work. Is that Raw film or Jpeg film you used. :-) Dave On 10/13/07, Rebekah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I finally made it out to the gardens at the Magnolia Plantation. I can't say enough about the place - everywhere I looked there was a beautiful scene, animal, or flower to photograph, and the weather turned out to be perfect - first foggy, then sunny with everything covered in dew, and then it showered lightly for ten minutes, and the sun came out again and everything was covered in rain drops. Most of my shots were taken on Velvia, so it may be quite some time before I'm able to show any of them here. However, I did shoot one roll of regular color film, and this picture is my favorite from that roll. http://picasaweb.google.com/rg2pdml/PESO/photo?authkey=W1C-i05p28o#5120829586467132594 That was 400 speed film and a 15-30mm lens. I straightened this picture out a bit; it seems the bridge I was standing on wasn't quite level or else I had my tripod improperly set up. Interestingly, as a side note, this film is actually some generic film I grabbed at a sale at Walgreens going for 99 cents a roll. I shot it mostly out of curiousity, but I can't say the results were horrible. Thanks everyone for looking! And come with me next time, I'll probably be going again next Sunday :) rg2 -- the subject of a photograph is far less important than its composition -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA)?
So these lenses were just introduced for market hype? Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/16/2007 11:25 AM And, of course, there's AF which is a much more difficult and variable feature than AE and one in which Pentax really fell behind. The big issue here is again the lenses, as the new DA* lenses will bring AF speed much closer to the market leaders. Unfortunately, the DA* lenses don't focus noticeably faster with SDM than with shaft drive. I made it a point to try mine with shaft drive AF for a few days before installing firmware 1.3 and using them with SDM. About a year ago, a Pentax engineer essentially admitted that SDM wouldn't bring faster AF. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:4714dc4b60537060471313! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
As you may already know, i don't use Word, Wordperfet OR spell checkers. :-) Dave On 10/16/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't use either MS Word or WordPerfect. Never used either, actually. I do most of my writing in a source code editor or in the Mail editor. But then I only rarely need formatted text. vi, emacs, pico, BBEdit, whatever.. When I do need formatted text, there are better options available than those two barges. Godfrey Tom C wrote: It'll likely be a matter of attrition. What % of people here use WordPerfect as opposed to MS Word? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
-- Original message -- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul, With all due respect, from your words you simply don't 'get' street photography. BTW, my last post on this subject is my last post on this subject. As usual, you resort to personal attacks. (I admittedly reponded in kind.) However, I know these debates with you are endless and fruitless. -30- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
I don't use either MS Word or WordPerfect. Never used either, actually. I do most of my writing in a source code editor or in the Mail editor. But then I only rarely need formatted text. vi, emacs, pico, BBEdit, whatever.. When I do need formatted text, there are better options available than those two barges. Godfrey Tom C wrote: It'll likely be a matter of attrition. What % of people here use WordPerfect as opposed to MS Word? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
That's not his only problem. He has a hard time telling a fool from someone who simply disagrees with him. He also is perfectly willing to project his faults on others. Many of us do this I suppose but William never seems to realize it, which I've found more and more insufferable. John Forbes wrote: On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:22:50 +0100, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well yes it was a pissing match. But I'm not mad a Adam because he wouldn't back down. In fact I learned a few things from him. I just don't agree that they're the whole reason for the high ISO improvements. WW has managed to piss me off enough that he's back in my Kill file with Dobo, Rubinstine(sp), (just in case they ever raise their heads again, and a couple of others who shall remain nameless, because I can't refrain from arguing with them, not because they're bad people). William is mostly just nasty, and revels in it. William's only problem is that he doesn't suffer fools gladly. John -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing
On Oct 15, 2007, at 6:54 PM, John Celio wrote: How do you decide what to cut and what to keep when you've shot more than one good photo of a subject? ... Thats easy. I keep everything. Dave -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
HAR! You obviously haven't seen much of HCB's work. There is little or no interaction. What I don't get is your pretentious notion of street photography. However my work in this genre has been well received. Paul -- Original message -- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul, With all due respect, from your words you simply don't 'get' street photography. It's all about connection, interaction, between the subject and the photographer, the subjects and their surroundings, or between the subjects themselves: a wry or insightful eye for intimacy, juxtaposition, contrast of circumstance whether intended or accidental. My comment has/had very little to do with focal length. Shorter focal lengths, however, permit an intimate perspective, a sense of connection ... not isolation. Selective focus and shallow DoF is isolating, does not embue the work with a sense of connection. It becomes glimpses of people at a distance with little to affect one way or another. Godfrey On Oct 16, 2007, at 3:07 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: The merits of this photo are of little consequence or interest, but the notion that good street photography has to show a connection is, to my mind, silliness. Most of HCB's pics are of unaware subjects. And if the subject doesn't see the photographer, the focal length of the lens matters little. To me, it's more important to be able to achieve some selective focus -- blur the background -- than to be in the proximity of the subject. I think the big advantage of wider lenses has nothing to do with intimacy. It's a matter of not having to focus, or at least not having to focus accurately. Most often, when the subject sees the photographer, you get either stock pose or an angry response. Paul On Oct 16, 2007, at 12:24 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Hadn't looked at this one, Paul, but I have to agree with David. There's no sense of connection or intimacy to me. It's just a picture of some women, nicely exposed and composed but otherwise of no particular emotional merit. Godfrey I'm not sure what you mean, but I appreciate the comments. Thanks for looking. From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] It generates a detached feeling for me, and as such doesn't draw me in hold my interest. Another shot with the K 135/2.5 at the farmer's market this afternoon. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6529425size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA)?
On Oct 16, 2007, at 9:04 AM, Steve Desjardins wrote: ... So these lenses were just introduced for market hype? I have both DA* lenses on hand to work with at present. Compared to the DA16-45 and DA50-200, they're significantly better built and finished, a stop to two stops faster, and weathersealed. Imaging quality is better IMO, much better between the 50-135 vs 50-200 comparison. Focusing is more accurate and utterly silent, manual focusing is precise and the quickshift works perfectly. Faster ... eh? not important to me. They're a bit on the bulky side. Personally, i still prefer my prime kit of 14, 21, 43 and 70 over the shorter zoom. I like my camera to be smaller and lighter, the DA* zoom is pretty bulky. I like the longer zoom as it covers any need I might have for a longer lens than the DA70 with reasonable speed and the imaging quality is excellent: a good replacement for the FA135/2.8 although a lot more bulky. For the little I use such long focal lengths, it does well. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
Guaranteed compatibility with your audience is where it's at in the business world though, and that means pretty much one standard. Today it's MS Word or Acrobat. Even though I have a dislike for MS Office 2007... and realize all MS products have some glaring deficiencies... Tom C. From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:56:03 -0700 I don't use either MS Word or WordPerfect. Never used either, actually. I do most of my writing in a source code editor or in the Mail editor. But then I only rarely need formatted text. vi, emacs, pico, BBEdit, whatever.. When I do need formatted text, there are better options available than those two barges. Godfrey Tom C wrote: It'll likely be a matter of attrition. What % of people here use WordPerfect as opposed to MS Word? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
Exactly. The written word is my stock in trade, and i've rarely encountered a client who will accept anything other than a word.doc. Of course some other applications can save docs in word format, but I've found them to be unreliable. Paul -- Original message -- From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Guaranteed compatibility with your audience is where it's at in the business world though, and that means pretty much one standard. Today it's MS Word or Acrobat. Even though I have a dislike for MS Office 2007... and realize all MS products have some glaring deficiencies... Tom C. From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:56:03 -0700 I don't use either MS Word or WordPerfect. Never used either, actually. I do most of my writing in a source code editor or in the Mail editor. But then I only rarely need formatted text. vi, emacs, pico, BBEdit, whatever.. When I do need formatted text, there are better options available than those two barges. Godfrey Tom C wrote: It'll likely be a matter of attrition. What % of people here use WordPerfect as opposed to MS Word? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
On 10/16/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul, With all due respect, from your words you simply don't 'get' street photography. snip Oh dear! Yet another thread on what is street photography. So, not that anyone cares, but here's my take: I remember Shel (not to pick on Shel, who I love to death, irascible tho' he could be) once chiding me, asking how many frames did you take of that subject?, then telling me that I should chat and otherwise interact with my street subjects, get to know them a bit, make them feel comfortable with me while I shoot. You know what? That worked for Shel. It's worked for many photographers. Sometimes it works for me. Other times I prefer to be a stealthy fly on the wall. There's no right or wrong for street photography. HCB wanted to be invisible to his subjects. He rarely shot more than two frames of one event (that according to his long-time developer) before moving on. That's in direct opposition to someone like Gary Winogrand, who shot rolls and rolls of the same subject. There are no rules. In fact, I think there's no such thing as street photography. One simply takes photographs. Either they work or they don't. Often they work for some (like this one of Paul's that works for me) but not for others. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
