RE: Asking about stock agencies

2007-11-22 Thread Bob W
You could try one of the microstock agencies, such as
http://www.istockphoto.com/index.php. They are specifically intended
for amateurs and low-volume contributions. Some people apparently make
good money, but it seems to be mostly pin money.

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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Boris Liberman
 Sent: 22 November 2007 02:18
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: Re: Asking about stock agencies
 
 Cotty, I realize that stock photography will not make me 
 rich. This is 
 just something I want to try. I am not as prolific and as 
 consistent as 
 it is required for what you have described. And of course I 
 have my job 
 that gives me a proper income.
 
 I just want to try, really.
 
 Thanks for your input!
 
 Boris
 
 P.S. We had a huge thunderstorm tonight. It is still raining 
 now and I 
 got to go out and start on my way to the airport for 
 Prague... Yesterday 
 in the news they said that in three days the monthly amount 
 of rain fell 
 down and it was *before* tonight's thunderstorm...
 
 
 
 Cotty wrote:
  Boris, I am registered with Alamy. I did it when I was on 
 the staff of a
  large company, not being paid enough. I thought it would 
 earn me extra
  income. I only have a few images submitted - but then it 
 was all change
  at work, and my staff position was made redundant.
  
  I am now a managing director of my own company, and things are a
lot
  better financially. Hence, I haven't added to my Alamy selection.
  
  I gather that to make a decent living at it, you have to be 
 submitting
  on the order of dozens of shots per week. Alamy pays less than
other
  agencies (they take a bigger chunk) but the arrangement can be
more
  casual. I kind of liked that idea, seeing as I was not a full time
  photographer. Like with mosts things, the more you put into 
 it, the more
  return you will see.
  
  To get an idea of saleable images, look at those that sell, 
 and discover
  their attributes.
  
  You won't be buying any Ferraris from the income.
  
  I would say, get to know a small agency, get to know them 
 well, and be
  extremely prolific - and be consistently good with it. The 
 there's the
  remote chance your pics will sell. It's a flooded market - 
 and more and
  more it looks like one-off royalty-free is the name of the 
 (poorly-paid)
  game. People want something for nothing these days, and 
 that spells a
  hard time for any creative.
  
  Good luck!
  
 
 
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Re: PEOW: Cormorant II

2007-11-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Opened first time, no problems at all.

G

On Nov 21, 2007, at 11:35 PM, Jay Taylor wrote:

 Here is a test. Please let me know if this link poses any similar
 problem or is successful.

 http://www.pbase.com/sirfishalot/image/89186854


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Re: SV: One shot a week for 6-8 years

2007-11-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Why not? Sheesh, this stuff is not fragile. The first digital camera  
I owned, bought in 1997, is still working perfectly. It's the camera  
module sold for a Palm Vx. The Canon 10D I sold a couple months ago  
is dates from the beginning of 2003 years old, nearly five years old,  
the batteries are plentiful, and it worked still like it was brand  
new with 40,000 exposures on the clock. It will certainly work fine  
for its new owner for another five years.

In 8 years you might not be able to buy film. Regardless of that,  
you'd be MUCH more likely to be able to process a set of digital  
captures from a couple of different cameras to all have the same  
white balance and rendering then you would 8 years worth of different  
batches of film, and with much less effort. Think about it.

G

On Nov 21, 2007, at 8:41 PM, Jens Bladt wrote:

 Godfrey, I wouldn't want to rely on a digtial camera to be  
 operational over
 this long period of time - eight years is a long time. Can I still get
 battteries for it in 8 years? If it dies, can I replace it with a  
 compatible
 one?


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Re: Microsoft Access

2007-11-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Leopard represents a larger delta over Tiger than Tiger did over  
Panther or Panther did over Jaguar (for those who don't know the  
names, that's 10.5 over 10.4, 10.4 over 10.3, and 10.3 over 10.2).  
The backup system in particular, not to mention the security  
encryption options, are pretty darn complex. It also sounds like the  
install-over option is pretty fussy ... it always is. I never do  
install-over...

None of this is new. Leopard is certainly still a bit immature, but I  
remember when Tiger (10.4) first came out. Same things were said in  
many places. It will be ironed out soon enough.

It's still a far cry from the problems I've seen with early adopters  
of Vista. WinXP, with all its warts, is still much much much more  
stable 10 months after Vista's release. And there's much less new  
in Vista than there is in Leopard: they dumped all the cool stuff a  
year and a half back so that they could ship it within the decade.

Godfrey


On Nov 21, 2007, at 7:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There's only one Mac expert here, and I think he's already  
 addressed this issue.
 When I have a problem, I know where to go for help.
 Paul
  -- Original message --
 From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Your comment about Apple's Leopard piqued my interest in that I
 might eventually upgrade to that OS. I checked google for info
 regarding problems and couldn't find anything significant. Can  
 you clue
 us in?

 Big problems with Lightroom is where I first heard about it but there
 are apparently plenty of other issues as well
 (http://www.tech.co.uk/computing/mac/news/is-apples-leopard-still- 
 in-bet
 a?articleid=630727076).

 In fact, Leopard issues were discussed on the PDML not long ago  
 and the
 consensus among the Mac experts seemed to be that being an early
 adopter was a bad idea.


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I'm so proud of these kids

2007-11-22 Thread Derby Chang
My little friends are potentially up for a prestig grant tonight. I hope 
they win. (Pedestal photo is mine, *istDS, FA*85)

http://www.soya.com.au/finalists/music/#item1

http://www.smh.com.au/news/music/next-generation-in-the-musical-family-tree/2007/11/21/1195321867625.html

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I have never admired Mike or Ctein as much as I do now

2007-11-22 Thread Derby Chang
And I admired them a heap before.

In their last coupla blogs, boy, do they hit the spot. Cats, chickens 
and bokeh fetishes, oh my.

http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2007/11/the-photo-fetis.html

http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2007/11/on-television-t.html
http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2007/11/prejudices-3-tr.html
http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2007/11/cat-photographe.html

Hey, I won a Pentaxian t-shirt on pentaxian.com last night. I am going 
to proudly flaunt my bokeh fetish at every passing stranger I see from 
now on. No feathers for me.

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Re: DIGITAL SURVEY

2007-11-22 Thread Derby Chang
Cotty wrote:
 Must be about time for one.

 Actually I was reading something on a different list about expectations
 and fulfilments with regard to DSLR cameras. No need to be precise about
 brands here, it can be any DSLR, but please limit to this sort of
 digital camera (with interchangable lens facility) - so no PS or
 anything esle.

 Purpose? To help inform my suspicions...



 1/  How many DSLRs do you currently own?

   
2



 2/  How many have you owned in the past?

   
2



 3/ How many years ago did you buy (not just use) your first DSLR?


   
3 years


 4/  What's the longest length of time you've owned a single DSLR camera?


   
3 years


 5/ When you purchased your first DSLR, did it live up to expectations?


   
Oh, boy. Yes


 6/ How long have you owned you current DSLR (if more than one, the latest) ?



   
4 months

 7/ Has your latest DSLR lived up to expectations ?



   
Yes, even more so

 8/ If a new model is released that supersedes - improves upon - your
 current or latest model, will you buy it?


   

Yes.


 9/ If a new model is released that supersedes - improves upon - your
 current or latest model, will you consider your current or latest model
 'obsolete' ?


   

No


 10/  Do you consider your first DSLR (whether still owned or not) 'obsolete'?



   
No


 11/ Have you ever had sex with a bicycle? (You don't have to answer
 this. In fact, better if you don't).


   

while the K10D was on Remote Assistant

 Personal summary of results in a week.



   


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Re: PEOW: Cormorant II

2007-11-22 Thread mike wilson
Direct image link was forbidden, this one went straight through.  PC behind a 
corporate firewall.
 
 From: Jay Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/11/22 Thu AM 07:35:51 GMT
 To: pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: PEOW: Cormorant II
 
 
 On Nov 21, 2007, at 11:23 AM, Rick Wormer wrote:
 
 
 
  Very nice, especially the background.
 
  Two comments:
 
  First, when one clicks on the link to one of your
  photos, one gets a Forbidden message.  One has to
  copy and paste the link into a new browser window.  Is
  there something you can do to make the links work?
 
  Second, the official bird of the PDML may be the
  cormorant, but it ought to be the loon.
 
  Rick
 
 
 
 All,
 First thank you for the compliments. Second, sorry for all the  
 trouble with the link. Not sure if its a Mac/PC thing. I notice on my  
 PC at work I run into the same problem with the Forbidden message.  
 While on my Mac at home I have no issue. Can you all test this out  
 for me? I think the problem might be related to my hosting site  
 PBase.com. I usually open the image by itself in a new window and  
 then cut and paste the link to that in my message. Perhaps it would  
 be better to just post the link to the web page in my gallery rather  
 than the image by itself?
 Here is a test. Please let me know if this link poses any similar  
 problem or is successful.
 
 http://www.pbase.com/sirfishalot/image/89186854
 
 Thanks,
 JayT
 
 
 
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Re: SV: One shot a week for 6-8 years

2007-11-22 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/11/22 Thu AM 08:38:53 GMT
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 Subject: Re: SV: One shot a week for 6-8 years
 
 Why not? Sheesh, this stuff is not fragile. The first digital camera  
 I owned, bought in 1997, is still working perfectly. It's the camera  
 module sold for a Palm Vx. The Canon 10D I sold a couple months ago  
 is dates from the beginning of 2003 years old, nearly five years old,  
 the batteries are plentiful, and it worked still like it was brand  
 new with 40,000 exposures on the clock. It will certainly work fine  
 for its new owner for another five years.

That is definitely _not_ certain.  Quite likely, maybe.  What is more likely is 
that, should it fail in 4years 9months time, it will not be a very simple task 
to replace it with an identical model, due the the very short retail lives of 
these things.

 
 In 8 years you might not be able to buy film. Regardless of that,  
 you'd be MUCH more likely to be able to process a set of digital  
 captures from a couple of different cameras to all have the same  
 white balance and rendering then you would 8 years worth of different  
 batches of film, and with much less effort. Think about it.

As Jens has pointed out, he will be buying enough film for the project at the 
beginning.  I would suggest buying processing capability, too.

The real answer to this project, whichever system of producing it is chosen, is 
redundancy.  More than one of whatever it is you are going to use.  _That_ is 
much more important than the system used.

 
 G
 
 On Nov 21, 2007, at 8:41 PM, Jens Bladt wrote:
 
  Godfrey, I wouldn't want to rely on a digtial camera to be  
  operational over
  this long period of time - eight years is a long time. Can I still get
  battteries for it in 8 years? If it dies, can I replace it with a  
  compatible
  one?
 
 
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Re: Microsoft Access

2007-11-22 Thread David J Brooks
For what i do, XP and Tiger are fine, for now.

I'll wait.:-)

Dave

On 11/22/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Leopard represents a larger delta over Tiger than Tiger did over
 Panther or Panther did over Jaguar (for those who don't know the
 names, that's 10.5 over 10.4, 10.4 over 10.3, and 10.3 over 10.2).
 The backup system in particular, not to mention the security
 encryption options, are pretty darn complex. It also sounds like the
 install-over option is pretty fussy ... it always is. I never do
 install-over...

 None of this is new. Leopard is certainly still a bit immature, but I
 remember when Tiger (10.4) first came out. Same things were said in
 many places. It will be ironed out soon enough.

 It's still a far cry from the problems I've seen with early adopters
 of Vista. WinXP, with all its warts, is still much much much more
 stable 10 months after Vista's release. And there's much less new
 in Vista than there is in Leopard: they dumped all the cool stuff a
 year and a half back so that they could ship it within the decade.

 Godfrey


 On Nov 21, 2007, at 7:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  There's only one Mac expert here, and I think he's already
  addressed this issue.
  When I have a problem, I know where to go for help.
  Paul
   -- Original message --
  From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Your comment about Apple's Leopard piqued my interest in that I
  might eventually upgrade to that OS. I checked google for info
  regarding problems and couldn't find anything significant. Can
  you clue
  us in?
 
  Big problems with Lightroom is where I first heard about it but there
  are apparently plenty of other issues as well
  (http://www.tech.co.uk/computing/mac/news/is-apples-leopard-still-
  in-bet
  a?articleid=630727076).
 
  In fact, Leopard issues were discussed on the PDML not long ago
  and the
  consensus among the Mac experts seemed to be that being an early
  adopter was a bad idea.
 

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Re: Lightroom 1.3 update

2007-11-22 Thread David J Brooks
Thank you

Dave

On 11/21/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Been working it hard since it came out.  No probs so far.

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Re: PESO - Queen St at Dusk

2007-11-22 Thread David J Brooks
Great cityscape shot Adam.

Dave

On 11/21/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Low light and in the rain in Toronto, no weather-sealing either.

 http://flickr.com/photos/mawz/1994666423/

 Larger/Direct Link:

 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2037/1994666423_1fe0c5a709_b.jpg

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Re: Peso Upsala wood church redone

2007-11-22 Thread David J Brooks
Thanks Marnie.

Maybe because it was a flat photo to begin wiith, but i had trouble at
first to get anything decent. I rather like this one, and even saved
the changes, should i decide to print this one.:-)unlike in th epast,
and not record what i did.:-)

Dave

On 11/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In a message dated 11/21/2007 2:07:48 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  writes:
 
 http://picasaweb.google.com/pentkon52/General/photo#5135405651291052002
 
  Did some BW adjusting to the original shot. Used Channel Mixer  and
  Photo filter, sepia at 10% tp try and give the clouds a bit of  punch
  and at the same time look old.
 
  Not sure if i  achieved this.
 
  Channel Mixer was at R: 20, G: 70 and B: 10 with  a bit of a bump on
  lightness.
 
  Comments are more than  welcome, i might enter this in the Church
  category next year.
 
  Dave

 
 Yes, it's better, somehow BW it's got  more punch. Well done.

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Re: PESO: Arctic Club

2007-11-22 Thread David J Brooks
I really like the head on shot. Yes early Victorian feel. Good detail
in that shot.

Dave

On 11/21/07, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Two views of the Arctic Club in Seattle.  There is
 something so very Victorian about it.

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6654600size=lg

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6654614size=lg

 Comments cordially invited.

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Re: PESO - Queen St at Dusk

2007-11-22 Thread Brian Walters
That's an attractive cityscape.  The highlights, reflections and tram tracks on 
the wet road really add interest to the scene.

I would have expected more noise at ISO 1600 but this is certainly more than 
acceptable.  It's really only evident in the gap between the tall buildings and 
even there it could be mistaken for rain.



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Quoting Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Low light and in the rain in Toronto, no weather-sealing either.
 
 http://flickr.com/photos/mawz/1994666423/
 
 Larger/Direct Link:
 
 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2037/1994666423_1fe0c5a709_b.jpg
 
 *istDS, DA 18-55, 1/[EMAIL PROTECTED], 18mm, ISO1600
 
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A 70-210 F4 assistance.

2007-11-22 Thread David J Brooks
I have been told a number of times, that the focus slackness can be
tightened by turning 3-4 screws under a piece of rubber.

I have yet to find this peice of rubber that can be rolled back to
expose the screws.

Does anyone have a picture of said rubber piece rolled back.

Its snowing and freezing rain and ice pelleting out this morning and i
want t wander around town for some shots, and i feel like using the
A70-210 F4, but i have sloppy focus.( yes i realize the come backs
with that statement.:-))

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Re: PESO - Schwinn Continental

2007-11-22 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/11/21 Wed PM 02:32:51 GMT
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 Subject: PESO - Schwinn Continental
 
 Hey, gang. 
 http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/Continental/photo#5134351606000545906
 
 Picked up the bike last week, along with a slightly newer Continental 
 that's way too big for me.  Just after tearing it apart I realized I 
 should have taken some before pictures to go with the inevitable 
 after pics.  This was intended to be a documentary photograph, but it 
 has since grown on me.  Not sure if I like the photo or just the subject 
 matter, so I thought I'd let you guys (and gals) have a look.

That looks like a really relaxed headstock angle.  Slow steerer?

 
 K100D, 200 ISO, DA 1-55, tripod.  Tinkered with it a bit in Picasa - 
 sharpened, slightly desaturated, corrected the color, and I might have 
 played with the contrast a little.  I tied the string around it to check 
 the alignment of the rear triangle.
 
 If you want to read a bit more about the bike: 
 http://twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/?p=33
 
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RE: PESO - Schwinn Continental

2007-11-22 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/11/21 Wed PM 07:49:40 GMT
 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: RE: PESO - Schwinn Continental
 
  
  You guys with your fancy workshops  I rebuilt my old 
  Takara on the 
  basement floor!
  
  Oh how I wished for a basement floor.
  
  I once brought a stripped down V8 into the house - it was 
  flipping cold
  outside in the skanky old garage we used to have. I did have 
  a sore ear
  after that though...
  
 
 I lived in a bedsit when I had my first car, a Fiat 131 CL ('shit off
 a stick') Mirafiori . I had half the engine block in the bedsit for
 months while I tried, hopelessly, unsuccessfully and armed only with a
 Haynes manual, to replace the head gasket. It was the first and last
 time I ever attempted any car maintenance.

You should have tried spanners and screwdrivers and that stuff.  Works for me.

You had the engine block out to replace the head gasket?  No more Haynes 
manuals for me..


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Re: A 70-210 F4 assistance.

2007-11-22 Thread David J Brooks
Thanks.

The way things are out today, wider might be better:-)

Dave

Dave

On 11/22/07, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: 2007/11/22 Thu AM 11:54:16 GMT
  To: Pentax Discuss pdml@pdml.net
  Subject: A 70-210 F4 assistance.
 
  I have been told a number of times, that the focus slackness can be
  tightened by turning 3-4 screws under a piece of rubber.
 
  I have yet to find this peice of rubber that can be rolled back to
  expose the screws.
 
  Does anyone have a picture of said rubber piece rolled back.
 
  Its snowing and freezing rain and ice pelleting out this morning and i
  want t wander around town for some shots, and i feel like using the
  A70-210 F4, but i have sloppy focus.( yes i realize the come backs
  with that statement.:-))

 If you can wait until the weekend, I will make some pix to show you.  
 Actually, you don't have a choice


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Re: A 70-210 F4 assistance.

2007-11-22 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/11/22 Thu AM 11:54:16 GMT
 To: Pentax Discuss pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: A 70-210 F4 assistance.
 
 I have been told a number of times, that the focus slackness can be
 tightened by turning 3-4 screws under a piece of rubber.
 
 I have yet to find this peice of rubber that can be rolled back to
 expose the screws.
 
 Does anyone have a picture of said rubber piece rolled back.
 
 Its snowing and freezing rain and ice pelleting out this morning and i
 want t wander around town for some shots, and i feel like using the
 A70-210 F4, but i have sloppy focus.( yes i realize the come backs
 with that statement.:-))

If you can wait until the weekend, I will make some pix to show you.  Actually, 
you don't have a choice


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Re: PESO - Queen St at Dusk

2007-11-22 Thread Adam Maas
Brian Walters wrote:
 That's an attractive cityscape.  The highlights, reflections and tram tracks 
 on the wet road really add interest to the scene.
 
 I would have expected more noise at ISO 1600 but this is certainly more than 
 acceptable.  It's really only evident in the gap between the tall buildings 
 and even there it could be mistaken for rain.
 
 
 
 Cheers
 
 Brian
 

Brian,

That may well be rain. It was raining when I shot this ;-)

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Re: Microsoft Access

2007-11-22 Thread Mark Roberts
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

There's only one Mac expert here, and I think he's already addressed 
this issue.
When I have a problem, I know where to go for help.

Yea, he's the one who, on list, advised against upgrading to Leopard 
until the bugs are worked out. Colleagues in my department have similar 
advice: If you want to get the new operating system, buy a new computer 
that comes with with the new OS installed, don't upgrade an existing 
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Nikon D3 - FX and Pentax FF / DA crop

2007-11-22 Thread Roman Melihhov
Weird subject but what I wanted to say is that perhaps DA lenses owners 
shouldn't worry all that much about future compatibility with full-frame 
pentax DSLR's.

Like Nikon D3, future full frame Pentax cameras would automatically crop 
images to effective light circle of DX (for Nikon),  DA (for Pentax) 
lenses. Reading Nikon D3 feature reviews made me realize Pentax can do 
it if Nikon did. Gorgeous captures to you all, in either FF or APS.

Kind regards.

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Re: PESO - Queen St at Dusk

2007-11-22 Thread David Savage
Good stuff Adam.

I find the pattern of the tracks in the road fascinating.

Cheers,

Dave

On Nov 22, 2007 9:11 AM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Low light and in the rain in Toronto, no weather-sealing either.

 http://flickr.com/photos/mawz/1994666423/

 Larger/Direct Link:

 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2037/1994666423_1fe0c5a709_b.jpg

 *istDS, DA 18-55, 1/[EMAIL PROTECTED], 18mm, ISO1600

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Re: SV: One shot a week for 6-8 years

2007-11-22 Thread Paul Stenquist
I wouldn't even worry about whether or not a digital camera will last  
that long. As Godders said, It's simple to match digital exposures. I  
can't tell the difference between shots from my *istD and my K10D,  
and I'll be no one else her could either. This project should be shot  
in the simplest manner possible, or it will quickly become an albatross.
Paul
On Nov 22, 2007, at 5:31 AM, mike wilson wrote:



 From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/11/22 Thu AM 08:38:53 GMT
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 Subject: Re: SV: One shot a week for 6-8 years

 Why not? Sheesh, this stuff is not fragile. The first digital camera
 I owned, bought in 1997, is still working perfectly. It's the camera
 module sold for a Palm Vx. The Canon 10D I sold a couple months ago
 is dates from the beginning of 2003 years old, nearly five years old,
 the batteries are plentiful, and it worked still like it was brand
 new with 40,000 exposures on the clock. It will certainly work fine
 for its new owner for another five years.

 That is definitely _not_ certain.  Quite likely, maybe.  What is  
 more likely is that, should it fail in 4years 9months time, it will  
 not be a very simple task to replace it with an identical model,  
 due the the very short retail lives of these things.


 In 8 years you might not be able to buy film. Regardless of that,
 you'd be MUCH more likely to be able to process a set of digital
 captures from a couple of different cameras to all have the same
 white balance and rendering then you would 8 years worth of different
 batches of film, and with much less effort. Think about it.

 As Jens has pointed out, he will be buying enough film for the  
 project at the beginning.  I would suggest buying processing  
 capability, too.

 The real answer to this project, whichever system of producing it  
 is chosen, is redundancy.  More than one of whatever it is you are  
 going to use.  _That_ is much more important than the system used.


 G

 On Nov 21, 2007, at 8:41 PM, Jens Bladt wrote:

 Godfrey, I wouldn't want to rely on a digtial camera to be
 operational over
 this long period of time - eight years is a long time. Can I  
 still get
 battteries for it in 8 years? If it dies, can I replace it with a
 compatible
 one?


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Re: Thanksgiving

2007-11-22 Thread David Savage
On Nov 22, 2007 11:35 PM, cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It's Thanksgiving day here in America.
snip

 So thanks guys and gals for being there, being funny, being thoughtful (yes,
 really), and being friendly (mostly).

That's sniff beautiful mate sniff, sniff

:-)

Happy holiday to you  yours Cory.

Cheers,

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PESO: Sun Princess (YABP)

2007-11-22 Thread David Savage
(YABP: Yet Another Bloody Panorama)

G'day All,

One of the bigger cruise ships (Sun Princes) that sails the seven
seas is in port for a couple of days. I headed down this evening to
have a look. Here's one of the shots I came away with:

Small (1265x500, ~115kB)
http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/Pano/0028_sml.jpg

Medium (2025x800, ~190kB)
http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/Pano/0028_med.jpg

Large (3037x1200. ~ 395kB)
http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/Pano/0028_lrg.jpg

Full Size(10921x4315. ~3.5MB)
http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/Pano/0028_xlrg.jpg
(I'm already way over quota so this file will only be up for a couple of days)

K10D, FA 77mm f1.8, 13 seconds @ f8, ISO 100, 6 frames stitched using PTGui

I freely admit that this isn't as interesting as my last pano, but I
though I'd share it anyway.

All comments welcome.

Cheers,

Dave

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Re: PESO: Arctic Club

2007-11-22 Thread Rick Womer
Thanks, Dave.

It would be fun to go inside--I imagine panelled
rooms, fireplaces, leather chairs, codgers in
tweeds...

Rick

--- David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I really like the head on shot. Yes early Victorian
 feel. Good detail
 in that shot.
 
 Dave
 
 On 11/21/07, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  Two views of the Arctic Club in Seattle.  There is
  something so very Victorian about it.
 
 

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6654600size=lg
 
 

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6654614size=lg
 
  Comments cordially invited.
 
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Re: Nikon D3 - FX and Pentax FF / DA crop

2007-11-22 Thread Adam Maas
The more interesting question will be how does the Sony A900 (Strongly rumoured 
to be FF, with a lens line to match) handle SSS (SR). It could be a real issue 
with wides. Auto-crop isn't really new, Nikon introduced multiple crops with 
the D2X's HSC mode, and both the Sony A700 and the D3 have multiple crop modes 
(16:9 10MP for A700, 4:5 10MP and DX ~5MP for the D3).

Note that the D3's quite low resolution in DX mode, really only a crutch for 
those whose 24-70 f2.8's and 14-24 f2.8's haven't shipped yet.

-Adam



Roman Melihhov wrote:
 Weird subject but what I wanted to say is that perhaps DA lenses owners 
 shouldn't worry all that much about future compatibility with full-frame 
 pentax DSLR's.
 
 Like Nikon D3, future full frame Pentax cameras would automatically crop 
 images to effective light circle of DX (for Nikon),  DA (for Pentax) 
 lenses. Reading Nikon D3 feature reviews made me realize Pentax can do 
 it if Nikon did. Gorgeous captures to you all, in either FF or APS.
 
 Kind regards.
 
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Thanksgiving

2007-11-22 Thread cbwaters
It's Thanksgiving day here in America.
Yesterday was the busiest travel day of the year (or Sunday will be... it's 
neck and neck).  All the airports and highways are usually clogged to the 
breaking point or beyond.  Family members across our nation were stressed to 
the max trying to get their herds and shit together to make the trip to 
Grandma's or Aunt's house to have a family gathering that can be one of the 
best days of the year.

Accidents happen.  Weather happens.  Cars break down.  People get drunk. 
Inter-family fights that can cause rifts that last years or for 
ever...happen.  People who have nobody might eat TV dinners alone.  We 
Americans have hundreds of thousands or troops overseas. They and their 
loved ones are sad today and probably more than a little afraid.

Holidays cover the whole spectrum.

But there's turkey, stuffing , green bean casserole, cranberries and of 
course the NFL.  So it's not all bad right?

I had the turkey feast with my family last night.  I'm working tonight 
because the Falcons (Atlanta's pro football team) have a game.  It's the 
first time in my 35 years that I've not had turkey, family and football all 
together on this day.  It's a little weird.  But I cant *really* complain. 
I have a job that pays alright, a home that's warm or cool as the weather 
demands, more turkey than I can eat (where are those leftovers anyway?), and 
lots of family who love me.

It's tradition on Thanksgiving to take stock of the things you're thankful 
for.

I'm thankful for you lot.  Admittedly, you're not in the top tier on my list 
evil grin  Family and love take that spot pretty well.  But my friends on 
this list and others on the internet are a nice piece of life.

So thanks guys and gals for being there, being funny, being thoughtful (yes, 
really), and being friendly (mostly).

Cheers.

Cory Waters

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PDML photographers: You guys are good!

2007-11-22 Thread Mark Roberts
I was just browsing through the DP Review Pentax forum and, as is 
becoming usual, there were a few posts about photos that were rejected 
by the Pentax Gallery, with the submitter scratching his head over why 
they were rejected. And I found myself scratching my head over why the 
photographer even submitted the shot in the first place.

Not to denigrate the people at the DP Review forum: Most of them don't 
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served as a reminder of the quality of work I typically see from the 
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Re: Thanksgiving

2007-11-22 Thread Christian
cbwaters wrote:

[Lots of sappy, thoughtful things]

Yeah, what he said. :-)

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Re: PESO: Arctic Club

2007-11-22 Thread David Savage
They're both nice, but I really like the symmetry of the first shot. Good stuff.

Cheers,

Dave

On Nov 22, 2007 10:48 AM, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Two views of the Arctic Club in Seattle.  There is
 something so very Victorian about it.

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6654600size=lg

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6654614size=lg

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Re: PEOW: Cormorant II

2007-11-22 Thread Christian
Jay Taylor wrote:

 
 http://www.pbase.com/sirfishalot/image/89186854

No issues with this one.  Then again, I had no issues from my PC at work 
or home with the original link.


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Re: PEOW: Cormorant II

2007-11-22 Thread Rick Womer
Jay,

The test link comes right up on this here at-home Mac.
 If I remember, I'll let you know about the work PC
(where I had trouble yesterday).

Rick

--- Jay Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Nov 21, 2007, at 11:23 AM, Rick Wormer wrote:
 
 
 
  Very nice, especially the background.
 
  Two comments:
 
  First, when one clicks on the link to one of your
  photos, one gets a Forbidden message.  One has
 to
  copy and paste the link into a new browser window.
  Is
  there something you can do to make the links work?
 
  Second, the official bird of the PDML may be the
  cormorant, but it ought to be the loon.
 
  Rick
 
 
 
 All,
 First thank you for the compliments. Second, sorry
 for all the  
 trouble with the link. Not sure if its a Mac/PC
 thing. I notice on my  
 PC at work I run into the same problem with the
 Forbidden message.  
 While on my Mac at home I have no issue. Can you all
 test this out  
 for me? I think the problem might be related to my
 hosting site  
 PBase.com. I usually open the image by itself in a
 new window and  
 then cut and paste the link to that in my message.
 Perhaps it would  
 be better to just post the link to the web page in
 my gallery rather  
 than the image by itself?
 Here is a test. Please let me know if this link
 poses any similar  
 problem or is successful.
 
 http://www.pbase.com/sirfishalot/image/89186854
 
 Thanks,
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Re: Thanksgiving

2007-11-22 Thread David J Brooks
Yes, sniff sniff.:-)

Have a Happy Thanksgiving, and it must be nice to have a pro team.

Dave

On 11/22/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Nov 22, 2007 11:35 PM, cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  It's Thanksgiving day here in America.
 snip
 
  So thanks guys and gals for being there, being funny, being thoughtful (yes,
  really), and being friendly (mostly).

 That's sniff beautiful mate sniff, sniff

 :-)

 Happy holiday to you  yours Cory.

 Cheers,

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Re: Rumours continued... 24th january we will know if this is all correct (or not)

2007-11-22 Thread Thibouille
Mmm reading betwwen the lines of various forum posts, some are hinting
at a new sensor tech which wouldn't be Foveon nor Bayer.

Now it really becomes interesting :)

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Re: PDML photographers: You guys are good!

2007-11-22 Thread David J Brooks
Even with my stuff on there.:-)

Dave

On 11/22/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I was just browsing through the DP Review Pentax forum and, as is
 becoming usual, there were a few posts about photos that were rejected
 by the Pentax Gallery, with the submitter scratching his head over why
 they were rejected. And I found myself scratching my head over why the
 photographer even submitted the shot in the first place.

 Not to denigrate the people at the DP Review forum: Most of them don't
 have a lot of experience and we all started that way. But it just
 served as a reminder of the quality of work I typically see from the
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PC problem??????/

2007-11-22 Thread David J Brooks
Its snowing and frezing rain here, roads are littered with people who
forget we get winter about this time, so i thought i would go through
our last two trips to Vegas, pick out the keepers and take them to
Wally world or such for 4x6 prints.

Turned on the PC(XP home, P4) and had a heck of a time getting it
going. The Pentium screen shows up, then a DOS screen saying Boot
Failure: System stopped.

Tried several on and offs, then tried control alt delete and it started up.

Is this the start of a big problem, or possibly a hit and miss thing.

It worked fine yesterday.

I'll run a virus scan etc aswell today.

Any thoughts.

I do have the disk that came with the computer, and MDG model, sort of
our version of a Dell.

Dave

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Re: PDML photographers: You guys are good!

2007-11-22 Thread Christian
Let's be honest... It's the non-Pentax stuff that boosts the quality on 
this pathetic list  VBG :-) JUST KIDDING OK?  DON'T FLAME ME! grin

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David J Brooks wrote:
 Even with my stuff on there.:-)
 
 Dave
 
 On 11/22/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I was just browsing through the DP Review Pentax forum and, as is
 becoming usual, there were a few posts about photos that were rejected
 by the Pentax Gallery, with the submitter scratching his head over why
 they were rejected. And I found myself scratching my head over why the
 photographer even submitted the shot in the first place.

 Not to denigrate the people at the DP Review forum: Most of them don't
 have a lot of experience and we all started that way. But it just
 served as a reminder of the quality of work I typically see from the
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Re: PESO: Sun Princess (YABP)

2007-11-22 Thread Christian
David Savage wrote:
 (YABP: Yet Another Bloody Panorama)
 
 G'day All,
 
 One of the bigger cruise ships (Sun Princes) that sails the seven
 seas is in port for a couple of days. I headed down this evening to
 have a look. Here's one of the shots I came away with:
 
 Small (1265x500, ~115kB)
 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/Pano/0028_sml.jpg
 
 Medium (2025x800, ~190kB)
 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/Pano/0028_med.jpg
 
 Large (3037x1200. ~ 395kB)
 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/Pano/0028_lrg.jpg
 
 Full Size(10921x4315. ~3.5MB)
 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/Pano/0028_xlrg.jpg
 (I'm already way over quota so this file will only be up for a couple of days)
 
 K10D, FA 77mm f1.8, 13 seconds @ f8, ISO 100, 6 frames stitched using PTGui
 
 I freely admit that this isn't as interesting as my last pano, but I
 though I'd share it anyway.
 

Nice shot(s). Which port?


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Re: PESO: Bath time ;-)

2007-11-22 Thread David J Brooks
Well done Mark.

The way the darkish area moves into the high light  area is wonderfull.
'Love the window gleam

Dave

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Re: PESO: Sun Princess (YABP)

2007-11-22 Thread David J Brooks
It gives a great idea on how big that ship is.

Nicly done.

Dave

On 11/22/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 (YABP: Yet Another Bloody Panorama)

 G'day All,

 One of the bigger cruise ships (Sun Princes) that sails the seven
 seas is in port for a couple of days. I headed down this evening to
 have a look. Here's one of the shots I came away with:

 Small (1265x500, ~115kB)
 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/Pano/0028_sml.jpg

 Medium (2025x800, ~190kB)
 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/Pano/0028_med.jpg

 Large (3037x1200. ~ 395kB)
 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/Pano/0028_lrg.jpg

 Full Size(10921x4315. ~3.5MB)
 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/Pano/0028_xlrg.jpg
 (I'm already way over quota so this file will only be up for a couple of days)

 K10D, FA 77mm f1.8, 13 seconds @ f8, ISO 100, 6 frames stitched using PTGui

 I freely admit that this isn't as interesting as my last pano, but I
 though I'd share it anyway.

 All comments welcome.

 Cheers,

 Dave

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Re: PC problem??????/

2007-11-22 Thread Mark Roberts
David J Brooks wrote:

Any thoughts.

Sounds like hard disk issues. Run a checkdisk scan and see if anything 
comes up.


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Re: PC problem??????/

2007-11-22 Thread 272yb
David, see if you can start it in safe mode...You might have to press the F5 
key when it starts up...

 -- Original message --
From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Its snowing and frezing rain here, roads are littered with people who
 forget we get winter about this time, so i thought i would go through
 our last two trips to Vegas, pick out the keepers and take them to
 Wally world or such for 4x6 prints.
 
 Turned on the PC(XP home, P4) and had a heck of a time getting it
 going. The Pentium screen shows up, then a DOS screen saying Boot
 Failure: System stopped.
 
 Tried several on and offs, then tried control alt delete and it started up.
 
 Is this the start of a big problem, or possibly a hit and miss thing.
 
 It worked fine yesterday.
 
 I'll run a virus scan etc aswell today.
 
 Any thoughts.
 
 I do have the disk that came with the computer, and MDG model, sort of
 our version of a Dell.
 
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Re: Rumours continued... 24th january we will know if this is all correct (or not)

2007-11-22 Thread Thibouille
IMO anything is possible including that this rumour isn't true.

They migh have licensed that tech from Kodak but then supposedly they
(Pentax) started working on that sensor for years now.
Somehow I doubt it is Kodak tech or least not only that, it would have
been easier then to ask Kodak to make the sensor rather than Pentax
taking the trouble to design their own if the tech comes from Kodak
anyway...

There must be something else (instead or in addition) IMO

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Re: Bath time ;-)

2007-11-22 Thread cbwaters
Mark, that's really nice.

Foreground is a little dark, but what a good capture given the lighting.


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Re: Rumours continued... 24th january we will know if this is all correct (or not)

2007-11-22 Thread Adam Maas
Thibouille wrote:
 Mmm reading betwwen the lines of various forum posts, some are hinting
 at a new sensor tech which wouldn't be Foveon nor Bayer.
 
 Now it really becomes interesting :)
 
 Thibault Massart aka Thibouille

Could be that new Kodak-patented high-sensitivity setup that's based on a Bayer 
pattern with un-filtered luminance pixels in between the Bayer pixels?

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PESO: Bath time ;-)

2007-11-22 Thread Mark Roberts

http://www.robertstech.com/pages/fotoblog/7d005607.htm

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Re: Thanksgiving

2007-11-22 Thread Ed Matthew
Cory -
Our Colts play your Falcons this evening. Best to you no matter who
wins - and Happy Thanksgiving to all you PDML'ers all over the world.

We were lucky - our son arrived yesterday morning before the Indy
airport loaded up.

Ed in Indianapolis

On Nov 22, 2007 9:35 AM, cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It's Thanksgiving day here in America.
 Yesterday was the busiest travel day of the year (or Sunday will be... it's
 neck and neck).  All the airports and highways are usually clogged to the
 breaking point or beyond.  Family members across our nation were stressed to
 the max trying to get their herds and shit together to make the trip to
 Grandma's or Aunt's house to have a family gathering that can be one of the
 best days of the year.

 Accidents happen.  Weather happens.  Cars break down.  People get drunk.
 Inter-family fights that can cause rifts that last years or for
 ever...happen.  People who have nobody might eat TV dinners alone.  We
 Americans have hundreds of thousands or troops overseas. They and their
 loved ones are sad today and probably more than a little afraid.

 Holidays cover the whole spectrum.

 But there's turkey, stuffing , green bean casserole, cranberries and of
 course the NFL.  So it's not all bad right?

 I had the turkey feast with my family last night.  I'm working tonight
 because the Falcons (Atlanta's pro football team) have a game.  It's the
 first time in my 35 years that I've not had turkey, family and football all
 together on this day.  It's a little weird.  But I cant *really* complain.
 I have a job that pays alright, a home that's warm or cool as the weather
 demands, more turkey than I can eat (where are those leftovers anyway?), and
 lots of family who love me.

 It's tradition on Thanksgiving to take stock of the things you're thankful
 for.

 I'm thankful for you lot.  Admittedly, you're not in the top tier on my list
 evil grin  Family and love take that spot pretty well.  But my friends on
 this list and others on the internet are a nice piece of life.

 So thanks guys and gals for being there, being funny, being thoughtful (yes,
 really), and being friendly (mostly).

 Cheers.

 Cory Waters

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Re: Thanksgiving

2007-11-22 Thread Bob Sullivan
Cory,

The Thanksgiving holiday can be stressful but you will outgrow the problems.
We've hosted it for over 25 years.
Our siblings and their children still join us.
Our own kids return home for the traditional turkey dinner.
But they all manage themselves, no more hassles getting them ready.

We'll miss our parents and their generation, but they left lasting memories.
These are good days to create some memories for the future.
Get out your cameras, and be kind hearted.
You can change your friends, but not your relatives...

A happy holiday to all (here and abroad),  Bob S.


On Nov 22, 2007 8:35 AM, cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It's Thanksgiving day here in America.
 Yesterday was the busiest travel day of the year (or Sunday will be... it's
 neck and neck).  All the airports and highways are usually clogged to the
 breaking point or beyond.  Family members across our nation were stressed to
 the max trying to get their herds and shit together to make the trip to
 Grandma's or Aunt's house to have a family gathering that can be one of the
 best days of the year.

 Accidents happen.  Weather happens.  Cars break down.  People get drunk.
 Inter-family fights that can cause rifts that last years or for
 ever...happen.  People who have nobody might eat TV dinners alone.  We
 Americans have hundreds of thousands or troops overseas. They and their
 loved ones are sad today and probably more than a little afraid.

 Holidays cover the whole spectrum.

 But there's turkey, stuffing , green bean casserole, cranberries and of
 course the NFL.  So it's not all bad right?

 I had the turkey feast with my family last night.  I'm working tonight
 because the Falcons (Atlanta's pro football team) have a game.  It's the
 first time in my 35 years that I've not had turkey, family and football all
 together on this day.  It's a little weird.  But I cant *really* complain.
 I have a job that pays alright, a home that's warm or cool as the weather
 demands, more turkey than I can eat (where are those leftovers anyway?), and
 lots of family who love me.

 It's tradition on Thanksgiving to take stock of the things you're thankful
 for.

 I'm thankful for you lot.  Admittedly, you're not in the top tier on my list
 evil grin  Family and love take that spot pretty well.  But my friends on
 this list and others on the internet are a nice piece of life.

 So thanks guys and gals for being there, being funny, being thoughtful (yes,
 really), and being friendly (mostly).

 Cheers.

 Cory Waters

 /moody
 /introspective



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Re: PDML photographers: You guys are good!

2007-11-22 Thread cbwaters
BAN!

I mean... MARK!

but really... BAN!


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Subject: Re: PDML photographers: You guys are good!


 Let's be honest... It's the non-Pentax stuff that boosts the quality on
 this pathetic list  VBG :-) JUST KIDDING OK?  DON'T FLAME ME! grin

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 David J Brooks wrote:
 Even with my stuff on there.:-)

 Dave

 On 11/22/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I was just browsing through the DP Review Pentax forum and, as is
 becoming usual, there were a few posts about photos that were rejected
 by the Pentax Gallery, with the submitter scratching his head over why
 they were rejected. And I found myself scratching my head over why the
 photographer even submitted the shot in the first place.

 Not to denigrate the people at the DP Review forum: Most of them don't
 have a lot of experience and we all started that way. But it just
 served as a reminder of the quality of work I typically see from the
 PDML.

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Re: Thanksgiving

2007-11-22 Thread Paul Stenquist
Happy Thanksgiving to all who celebrate the day.

I'm getting ready to roast my 35th turkey. All my kids are here, as  
are my mother and granddaughter (both of whom reside in my abode).  
Made the stuffing yesterday: bread cubes, sausage, white wine,  
apples, cranberries, mushrooms and lots of butter. I'll do the turkey  
at very high temperature for a short amount of time. Learned that  
technique a couple of years ago from an article in Gourmet magazine.  
It's fabulous. My wife does the pumpkin pies, sweet potatoes and all  
the rest. It's a no brainer. Enjoy.
Paul
On Nov 22, 2007, at 11:59 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

 Cory,

 The Thanksgiving holiday can be stressful but you will outgrow the  
 problems.
 We've hosted it for over 25 years.
 Our siblings and their children still join us.
 Our own kids return home for the traditional turkey dinner.
 But they all manage themselves, no more hassles getting them ready.

 We'll miss our parents and their generation, but they left lasting  
 memories.
 These are good days to create some memories for the future.
 Get out your cameras, and be kind hearted.
 You can change your friends, but not your relatives...

 A happy holiday to all (here and abroad),  Bob S.


 On Nov 22, 2007 8:35 AM, cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It's Thanksgiving day here in America.
 Yesterday was the busiest travel day of the year (or Sunday will  
 be... it's
 neck and neck).  All the airports and highways are usually clogged  
 to the
 breaking point or beyond.  Family members across our nation were  
 stressed to
 the max trying to get their herds and shit together to make the  
 trip to
 Grandma's or Aunt's house to have a family gathering that can be  
 one of the
 best days of the year.

 Accidents happen.  Weather happens.  Cars break down.  People get  
 drunk.
 Inter-family fights that can cause rifts that last years or for
 ever...happen.  People who have nobody might eat TV dinners  
 alone.  We
 Americans have hundreds of thousands or troops overseas. They and  
 their
 loved ones are sad today and probably more than a little afraid.

 Holidays cover the whole spectrum.

 But there's turkey, stuffing , green bean casserole, cranberries  
 and of
 course the NFL.  So it's not all bad right?

 I had the turkey feast with my family last night.  I'm working  
 tonight
 because the Falcons (Atlanta's pro football team) have a game.   
 It's the
 first time in my 35 years that I've not had turkey, family and  
 football all
 together on this day.  It's a little weird.  But I cant *really*  
 complain.
 I have a job that pays alright, a home that's warm or cool as the  
 weather
 demands, more turkey than I can eat (where are those leftovers  
 anyway?), and
 lots of family who love me.

 It's tradition on Thanksgiving to take stock of the things you're  
 thankful
 for.

 I'm thankful for you lot.  Admittedly, you're not in the top tier  
 on my list
 evil grin  Family and love take that spot pretty well.  But my  
 friends on
 this list and others on the internet are a nice piece of life.

 So thanks guys and gals for being there, being funny, being  
 thoughtful (yes,
 really), and being friendly (mostly).

 Cheers.

 Cory Waters

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Re: PC problem??????/

2007-11-22 Thread Charles Robinson
On Nov 22, 2007, at 10:29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 David, see if you can start it in safe mode...You might have to  
 press the F5 key when it starts up...


F8, not F5 - or is this a mystery key I've never known about?

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Small points - SD card speed

2007-11-22 Thread Bob Sullivan
Went photographing a charity 5K run this morning.
Used the K10D and DA16-45/4.

The first 50-60 shots went on a 1 Gig 133X speed card.
I took the last few shots as the winner crossed the finish line.
Then I changed SD cards and proceeded to shoot more finishers.

The camera acted strange as I started taking bunches of photos.
The buffer was locked up writing the RAW photos to the card.
The battery began to show half full.
The camera wouldn't let me take more photos!

On further review, as I download the 2 Gig card to my computer,
I notice that it is a 60X model, not a 150X.
Wow was that a mistake!
I've got two other 2 Gig cards that are 150X, but didn't grab them.
The speed difference is noteworthy, and important.
With the 150X cards, I've never encountered the wait to write to the card.

Thought you might like to know.
Regards, Bob S.

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Re: Small points - SD card speed

2007-11-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Yes, write speed matters when you're doing continuous sequences!

G

On Nov 22, 2007, at 10:01 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

 Went photographing a charity 5K run this morning.
 Used the K10D and DA16-45/4.

 The first 50-60 shots went on a 1 Gig 133X speed card.
 I took the last few shots as the winner crossed the finish line.
 Then I changed SD cards and proceeded to shoot more finishers.

 The camera acted strange as I started taking bunches of photos.
 The buffer was locked up writing the RAW photos to the card.
 The battery began to show half full.
 The camera wouldn't let me take more photos!

 On further review, as I download the 2 Gig card to my computer,
 I notice that it is a 60X model, not a 150X.
 Wow was that a mistake!
 I've got two other 2 Gig cards that are 150X, but didn't grab them.
 The speed difference is noteworthy, and important.
 With the 150X cards, I've never encountered the wait to write to  
 the card.

 Thought you might like to know.
 Regards, Bob S.


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PESO: Thanksgiving Foliage

2007-11-22 Thread Rick Womer
Not from Seattle this time; from here at home in
Philly.

I took my newly-acquired FA 50-200 zoom (thanks, Dave
S.!) for a walk this morning.  The colors we used to
enjoy in late October have waited until late November
this year.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=676size=lg

Comments welcome.

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Re: PC problem??????/

2007-11-22 Thread David J Brooks
Thanks Mark and Charles.

I'll try the scan after i get back from my daughters riding lesson.

If i use the F8 key and start in Safe mode, what does that tell me
about any problems.

I cannot look at any manual, as none came with the PC, everything was
pre loaded. I had a bigger HD installed about 1 1/2 years ago, wonder
if its wonly then. Guys out of business now. I *think* Stouffville has
a repair place still.

Dave

On 11/22/07, Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Nov 22, 2007, at 10:29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  David, see if you can start it in safe mode...You might have to
  press the F5 key when it starts up...
 

 F8, not F5 - or is this a mystery key I've never known about?

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Re: Thanksgiving

2007-11-22 Thread pnstenquist
I've tried the breast down method. It works well, but turning over a big bird 
is a hassle. The high temp method is at 425 degrees for around two hours for a 
14 pound bird. But I check it with a temperature probe and roast to 165 
degrees. The breasts are as moist as with the breast down method. Gourmet mag 
did a test of about six methods a couple of years ago. They were absolutely 
certain that the high temp method would yield awful, dry meat. But it turned 
out to be the best. I put fruit or veggies in the cavity, but just a couple for 
a loose fit. This year I used two lemon halves, a few sprigs of rosemary and 
about half an onion. I coated it inside and out with olive oil, then applied a 
fennel and peppercorn rub to the outside. That probably doesn't affect the meat 
much, but it does great things for the pan drippings, from which I make gravy. 
I also make stock from the gizzards and neck. Combined with the pan drippings 
and just a bit of heavy cream, it makes a great gravy.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 A no-brainer, but it makes an impressive mess.
 
 How high a temp do you use, and for how long?
 
 My favorite turkey-roasting trick is to roast it
 breast down for the first 3/4 of the roasting time,
 then flip it over to finish.  It makes the white meat
 much juicier.
 
 Rick
 (family cook)
 
 --- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Happy Thanksgiving to all who celebrate the day.
  
  I'm getting ready to roast my 35th turkey. All my
  kids are here, as  
  are my mother and granddaughter (both of whom reside
  in my abode).  
  Made the stuffing yesterday: bread cubes, sausage,
  white wine,  
  apples, cranberries, mushrooms and lots of butter.
  I'll do the turkey  
  at very high temperature for a short amount of time.
  Learned that  
  technique a couple of years ago from an article in
  Gourmet magazine.  
  It's fabulous. My wife does the pumpkin pies, sweet
  potatoes and all  
  the rest. It's a no brainer. Enjoy.
  Paul
  On Nov 22, 2007, at 11:59 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
  
   Cory,
  
   The Thanksgiving holiday can be stressful but you
  will outgrow the  
   problems.
   We've hosted it for over 25 years.
   Our siblings and their children still join us.
   Our own kids return home for the traditional
  turkey dinner.
   But they all manage themselves, no more hassles
  getting them ready.
  
   We'll miss our parents and their generation, but
  they left lasting  
   memories.
   These are good days to create some memories for
  the future.
   Get out your cameras, and be kind hearted.
   You can change your friends, but not your
  relatives...
  
   A happy holiday to all (here and abroad),  Bob S.
  
  
   On Nov 22, 2007 8:35 AM, cbwaters
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   It's Thanksgiving day here in America.
   Yesterday was the busiest travel day of the year
  (or Sunday will  
   be... it's
   neck and neck).  All the airports and highways
  are usually clogged  
   to the
   breaking point or beyond.  Family members across
  our nation were  
   stressed to
   the max trying to get their herds and shit
  together to make the  
   trip to
   Grandma's or Aunt's house to have a family
  gathering that can be  
   one of the
   best days of the year.
  
   Accidents happen.  Weather happens.  Cars break
  down.  People get  
   drunk.
   Inter-family fights that can cause rifts that
  last years or for
   ever...happen.  People who have nobody might eat
  TV dinners  
   alone.  We
   Americans have hundreds of thousands or troops
  overseas. They and  
   their
   loved ones are sad today and probably more than a
  little afraid.
  
   Holidays cover the whole spectrum.
  
   But there's turkey, stuffing , green bean
  casserole, cranberries  
   and of
   course the NFL.  So it's not all bad right?
  
   I had the turkey feast with my family last night.
   I'm working  
   tonight
   because the Falcons (Atlanta's pro football team)
  have a game.   
   It's the
   first time in my 35 years that I've not had
  turkey, family and  
   football all
   together on this day.  It's a little weird.  But
  I cant *really*  
   complain.
   I have a job that pays alright, a home that's
  warm or cool as the  
   weather
   demands, more turkey than I can eat (where are
  those leftovers  
   anyway?), and
   lots of family who love me.
  
   It's tradition on Thanksgiving to take stock of
  the things you're  
   thankful
   for.
  
   I'm thankful for you lot.  Admittedly, you're not
  in the top tier  
   on my list
   evil grin  Family and love take that spot
  pretty well.  But my  
   friends on
   this list and others on the internet are a nice
  piece of life.
  
   So thanks guys and gals for being there, being
  funny, being  
   thoughtful (yes,
   really), and being friendly (mostly).
  
   Cheers.
  
   Cory Waters
  
   /moody
   /introspective
  
  
  
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Re: Thanksgiving

2007-11-22 Thread Rick Womer
A no-brainer, but it makes an impressive mess.

How high a temp do you use, and for how long?

My favorite turkey-roasting trick is to roast it
breast down for the first 3/4 of the roasting time,
then flip it over to finish.  It makes the white meat
much juicier.

Rick
(family cook)

--- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Happy Thanksgiving to all who celebrate the day.
 
 I'm getting ready to roast my 35th turkey. All my
 kids are here, as  
 are my mother and granddaughter (both of whom reside
 in my abode).  
 Made the stuffing yesterday: bread cubes, sausage,
 white wine,  
 apples, cranberries, mushrooms and lots of butter.
 I'll do the turkey  
 at very high temperature for a short amount of time.
 Learned that  
 technique a couple of years ago from an article in
 Gourmet magazine.  
 It's fabulous. My wife does the pumpkin pies, sweet
 potatoes and all  
 the rest. It's a no brainer. Enjoy.
 Paul
 On Nov 22, 2007, at 11:59 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
 
  Cory,
 
  The Thanksgiving holiday can be stressful but you
 will outgrow the  
  problems.
  We've hosted it for over 25 years.
  Our siblings and their children still join us.
  Our own kids return home for the traditional
 turkey dinner.
  But they all manage themselves, no more hassles
 getting them ready.
 
  We'll miss our parents and their generation, but
 they left lasting  
  memories.
  These are good days to create some memories for
 the future.
  Get out your cameras, and be kind hearted.
  You can change your friends, but not your
 relatives...
 
  A happy holiday to all (here and abroad),  Bob S.
 
 
  On Nov 22, 2007 8:35 AM, cbwaters
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  It's Thanksgiving day here in America.
  Yesterday was the busiest travel day of the year
 (or Sunday will  
  be... it's
  neck and neck).  All the airports and highways
 are usually clogged  
  to the
  breaking point or beyond.  Family members across
 our nation were  
  stressed to
  the max trying to get their herds and shit
 together to make the  
  trip to
  Grandma's or Aunt's house to have a family
 gathering that can be  
  one of the
  best days of the year.
 
  Accidents happen.  Weather happens.  Cars break
 down.  People get  
  drunk.
  Inter-family fights that can cause rifts that
 last years or for
  ever...happen.  People who have nobody might eat
 TV dinners  
  alone.  We
  Americans have hundreds of thousands or troops
 overseas. They and  
  their
  loved ones are sad today and probably more than a
 little afraid.
 
  Holidays cover the whole spectrum.
 
  But there's turkey, stuffing , green bean
 casserole, cranberries  
  and of
  course the NFL.  So it's not all bad right?
 
  I had the turkey feast with my family last night.
  I'm working  
  tonight
  because the Falcons (Atlanta's pro football team)
 have a game.   
  It's the
  first time in my 35 years that I've not had
 turkey, family and  
  football all
  together on this day.  It's a little weird.  But
 I cant *really*  
  complain.
  I have a job that pays alright, a home that's
 warm or cool as the  
  weather
  demands, more turkey than I can eat (where are
 those leftovers  
  anyway?), and
  lots of family who love me.
 
  It's tradition on Thanksgiving to take stock of
 the things you're  
  thankful
  for.
 
  I'm thankful for you lot.  Admittedly, you're not
 in the top tier  
  on my list
  evil grin  Family and love take that spot
 pretty well.  But my  
  friends on
  this list and others on the internet are a nice
 piece of life.
 
  So thanks guys and gals for being there, being
 funny, being  
  thoughtful (yes,
  really), and being friendly (mostly).
 
  Cheers.
 
  Cory Waters
 
  /moody
  /introspective
 
 
 
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RE: Thanksgiving

2007-11-22 Thread Bob W
Happy thanksgiving to all our colonial chums. 

Here in the mother country we are also giving thanks - for necking the
turkey who has been 'managing' the English football team for the last
couple of years.

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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of cbwaters
 Sent: 22 November 2007 14:36
 To: Pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Thanksgiving
 
 It's Thanksgiving day here in America.
 Yesterday was the busiest travel day of the year (or Sunday 
 will be... it's 
 neck and neck).  All the airports and highways are usually 
 clogged to the 
 breaking point or beyond.  Family members across our nation 
 were stressed to 
 the max trying to get their herds and shit together to make 
 the trip to 
 Grandma's or Aunt's house to have a family gathering that can 
 be one of the 
 best days of the year.
 
 Accidents happen.  Weather happens.  Cars break down.  People 
 get drunk. 
 Inter-family fights that can cause rifts that last years or for 
 ever...happen.  People who have nobody might eat TV dinners 
 alone.  We 
 Americans have hundreds of thousands or troops overseas. They 
 and their 
 loved ones are sad today and probably more than a little afraid.
 
 Holidays cover the whole spectrum.
 
 But there's turkey, stuffing , green bean casserole, 
 cranberries and of 
 course the NFL.  So it's not all bad right?
 
 I had the turkey feast with my family last night.  I'm 
 working tonight 
 because the Falcons (Atlanta's pro football team) have a 
 game.  It's the 
 first time in my 35 years that I've not had turkey, family 
 and football all 
 together on this day.  It's a little weird.  But I cant 
 *really* complain. 
 I have a job that pays alright, a home that's warm or cool as 
 the weather 
 demands, more turkey than I can eat (where are those 
 leftovers anyway?), and 
 lots of family who love me.
 
 It's tradition on Thanksgiving to take stock of the things 
 you're thankful 
 for.
 
 I'm thankful for you lot.  Admittedly, you're not in the top 
 tier on my list 
 evil grin  Family and love take that spot pretty well.  But 
 my friends on 
 this list and others on the internet are a nice piece of life.
 
 So thanks guys and gals for being there, being funny, being 
 thoughtful (yes, 
 really), and being friendly (mostly).
 
 Cheers.
 
 Cory Waters
 
 /moody
 /introspective
 
 
 
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Re: PESO: Thanksgiving Foliage

2007-11-22 Thread Paul Sorenson
Looks like a beautiful day in Philly - love the deep reds of the leaves. 
  A little different here in MKE w/about 2 (mostly gone now) of snow 
last night.  But...the Pack is trouncing the Lions, so all is good here 
in WI.  ;}

-p

Rick Womer wrote:
 Not from Seattle this time; from here at home in
 Philly.
 
 I took my newly-acquired FA 50-200 zoom (thanks, Dave
 S.!) for a walk this morning.  The colors we used to
 enjoy in late October have waited until late November
 this year.
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=676size=lg
 
 Comments welcome.
 
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RE: PESO - Schwinn Continental

2007-11-22 Thread Bob W
  
  I lived in a bedsit when I had my first car, a Fiat 131 CL 
 ('shit off
  a stick') Mirafiori . I had half the engine block in the bedsit
for
  months while I tried, hopelessly, unsuccessfully and armed 
 only with a
  Haynes manual, to replace the head gasket. It was the first and
last
  time I ever attempted any car maintenance.
 
 You should have tried spanners and screwdrivers and that 
 stuff.  Works for me.
 
 You had the engine block out to replace the head gasket?  No 
 more Haynes manuals for me..
 

I repeat:

  It was the first and last
  time I ever attempted any car maintenance.


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RE: Microsoft Access

2007-11-22 Thread Bob W
 they dumped all the cool stuff a  
 year and a half back

that, in a nutshell, is why these operating systems are all such shit.
They think people want cool stuff and candy, when in point of fact all
they want is something that works and is easy.

--
 Bob
 

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi
 Sent: 22 November 2007 08:53
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: Re: Microsoft Access
 
 Leopard represents a larger delta over Tiger than Tiger did over  
 Panther or Panther did over Jaguar (for those who don't know the  
 names, that's 10.5 over 10.4, 10.4 over 10.3, and 10.3 over 10.2).  
 The backup system in particular, not to mention the security  
 encryption options, are pretty darn complex. It also sounds like the

 install-over option is pretty fussy ... it always is. I never do  
 install-over...
 
 None of this is new. Leopard is certainly still a bit 
 immature, but I  
 remember when Tiger (10.4) first came out. Same things were said in

 many places. It will be ironed out soon enough.
 
 It's still a far cry from the problems I've seen with early adopters

 of Vista. WinXP, with all its warts, is still much much much more  
 stable 10 months after Vista's release. And there's much less new

 in Vista than there is in Leopard: they dumped all the cool stuff a

 year and a half back so that they could ship it within the decade.
 
 Godfrey
 
 
 On Nov 21, 2007, at 7:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  There's only one Mac expert here, and I think he's already  
  addressed this issue.
  When I have a problem, I know where to go for help.
  Paul
   -- Original message --
  From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Your comment about Apple's Leopard piqued my interest in that I
  might eventually upgrade to that OS. I checked google for info
  regarding problems and couldn't find anything significant. Can  
  you clue
  us in?
 
  Big problems with Lightroom is where I first heard about 
 it but there
  are apparently plenty of other issues as well
 
(http://www.tech.co.uk/computing/mac/news/is-apples-leopard-still- 
  in-bet
  a?articleid=630727076).
 
  In fact, Leopard issues were discussed on the PDML not long ago  
  and the
  consensus among the Mac experts seemed to be that being an early
  adopter was a bad idea.
 
 
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Re: PESO: Thanksgiving Foliage

2007-11-22 Thread pnstenquist
Very nice. Good composition.

We still have a few maple and oak leaves clinging here in Michigan, but it's 
over for the most part. Had a touch of snow this morning.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Paul Sorenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Looks like a beautiful day in Philly - love the deep reds of the leaves. 
   A little different here in MKE w/about 2 (mostly gone now) of snow 
 last night.  But...the Pack is trouncing the Lions, so all is good here 
 in WI.  ;}
 
 -p
 
 Rick Womer wrote:
  Not from Seattle this time; from here at home in
  Philly.
  
  I took my newly-acquired FA 50-200 zoom (thanks, Dave
  S.!) for a walk this morning.  The colors we used to
  enjoy in late October have waited until late November
  this year.
  
  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=676size=lg
  
  Comments welcome.
  
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was Re: Nikon D3 - FX and Pentax FF / DA crop

2007-11-22 Thread Roman Melihhov
Thank you Adam. The cropped (or DX) resolution for Nikon D3 is lousy 
5.1Mp. I hope and wish Pentax would have some manual override mode, 
allowing shoot at full frame despite of assumed light circle, because 
some tele-lenses, DA 50-200mm for example do cover larger light circle 
than APS-C at tele end. It seems to be business practice that cameras 
come before optics as for Pentax, as for Nikon too.  Thank you for your 
input to this thread.

Roman.




Adam Maas wrote:

 The more interesting question will be how does the Sony A900 (Strongly 
 rumoured to be FF, with a lens line to match) handle SSS (SR). It could be a 
 real issue with wides. Auto-crop isn't really new, Nikon introduced multiple 
 crops with the D2X's HSC mode, and both the Sony A700 and the D3 have 
 multiple crop modes (16:9 10MP for A700, 4:5 10MP and DX ~5MP for the D3).

 Note that the D3's quite low resolution in DX mode, really only a crutch for 
 those whose 24-70 f2.8's and 14-24 f2.8's haven't shipped yet.

 -Adam


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Re: was Re: Nikon D3 - FX and Pentax FF / DA crop

2007-11-22 Thread Adam Maas
Note that the D3 does allow an override, configurable via Custom Function.

-Adam


Roman Melihhov wrote:
 Thank you Adam. The cropped (or DX) resolution for Nikon D3 is lousy 
 5.1Mp. I hope and wish Pentax would have some manual override mode, 
 allowing shoot at full frame despite of assumed light circle, because 
 some tele-lenses, DA 50-200mm for example do cover larger light circle 
 than APS-C at tele end. It seems to be business practice that cameras 
 come before optics as for Pentax, as for Nikon too.  Thank you for your 
 input to this thread.
 
 Roman.
 
 
 
 
 Adam Maas wrote:
 
 The more interesting question will be how does the Sony A900 (Strongly 
 rumoured to be FF, with a lens line to match) handle SSS (SR). It 
 could be a real issue with wides. Auto-crop isn't really new, Nikon 
 introduced multiple crops with the D2X's HSC mode, and both the Sony 
 A700 and the D3 have multiple crop modes (16:9 10MP for A700, 4:5 10MP 
 and DX ~5MP for the D3).

 Note that the D3's quite low resolution in DX mode, really only a 
 crutch for those whose 24-70 f2.8's and 14-24 f2.8's haven't shipped yet.

 -Adam
 
 



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Re: Thanksgiving

2007-11-22 Thread Cotty
On 22/11/07, cbwaters, discombobulated, unleashed:

It's tradition on Thanksgiving to take stock of the things you're thankful 
for.

I'm thankful for you lot.  Admittedly, you're not in the top tier on my list 
evil grin  Family and love take that spot pretty well.  But my friends on 
this list and others on the internet are a nice piece of life.

So thanks guys and gals for being there, being funny, being thoughtful (yes, 
really), and being friendly (mostly).

hey Ceeb, backatcha. Maybe see you again next year. Bring the burgers ;-)

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Re: Peso Upsala wood church

2007-11-22 Thread Kristian Walsh
Beautiful. Composition is very nice, and I really like the muted  
colour palette.

(and it looks COLD there!)
--
Kristian

 David J Brooks wrote:
 http://picasaweb.google.com/pentkon52/General/ 
 photo#513454392259234

 This is an old wooden church, now unused, in Upsala Ontario, about 1
 1/2 hours west of Thunder Bay.

 I tried shooting this about 15 years ago, with film, but never  
 managed
 a good shot. Its on private land which is gated off. I was hoping to
 get closer but this is from the road, and cropped a bit to get it
 closer.

 K10D, 77LTD minor tweek in PSCS

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Re: Rumours continued... 24th january we will know if this is all correct (or not)

2007-11-22 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Nov 22, 2007 at 11:12:47AM -0500, Adam Maas wrote:
 Thibouille wrote:
  Mmm reading betwwen the lines of various forum posts, some are hinting
  at a new sensor tech which wouldn't be Foveon nor Bayer.
  
  Now it really becomes interesting :)
  
  Thibault Massart aka Thibouille
 
 Could be that new Kodak-patented high-sensitivity setup that's based on a 
 Bayer pattern with un-filtered luminance pixels in between the Bayer pixels?
 
 -Adam

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Re: PESO: Bath time ;-)

2007-11-22 Thread mike wilson
Mark Roberts wrote:

 http://www.robertstech.com/pages/fotoblog/7d005607.htm
 
 PZ-1p, FA*24mm f2.0 and Kodak E100SW
 
 
 
Can I borrow the Tardis this weekend, Mark?

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Re: Thanksgiving

2007-11-22 Thread David Savage
On Nov 23, 2007 1:59 AM, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You can change your friends, but not your relatives...

Damnit anyway...

Cheers,

Dave ;-)

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Re: Rumours continued... 24th january we will know if this is all correct (or not)

2007-11-22 Thread Adam Maas
John Francis wrote:
 On Thu, Nov 22, 2007 at 11:12:47AM -0500, Adam Maas wrote:
 Thibouille wrote:
 Mmm reading betwwen the lines of various forum posts, some are hinting
 at a new sensor tech which wouldn't be Foveon nor Bayer.

 Now it really becomes interesting :)

 Thibault Massart aka Thibouille
 Could be that new Kodak-patented high-sensitivity setup that's based on a 
 Bayer pattern with un-filtered luminance pixels in between the Bayer pixels?

 -Adam
 
 That's pretty much what the Fuji high-end digitals do, too.


It's pretty different actually. The Fuji's have two sensor sites per bayesian 
pixel, one more sensitive than the other, but both are colour-filtered. They 
also rotate the grid array by 45 degrees to improve the interpolation. This 
increases the dynamic range the sensor can capture at the expense of absolute 
resolution. The Kodak sensor is a conventional bayesian sensor, but have 
replaced the bayesian filter array with one that intersperses pure luminance 
pixels in between the colour-filtered bayesian pixels. As these pixels lack the 
colour filters they are more sensitive and contribute lower-noise luminance 
data which is combined with the filtered pixels to generate the final image. 
The sensor is therefore more sensitive to light at the possible expense of some 
colour accuracy.


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Re: Thanksgiving

2007-11-22 Thread David Savage
On Nov 23, 2007 2:14 AM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm getting ready to roast my 35th turkey.

That's a bit extravagant...


I would have thought 1 would be enough.

:-D

Cheers,

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Re: PESO: Bath time ;-)

2007-11-22 Thread Rick Womer
Very, very nice, Mark.  I particularly like the
gradation of tones on the building as one moves from
one end to the other.

Rick


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Re: Thanksgiving

2007-11-22 Thread ann sanfedele
Gang, if Paul and his better half are doing the cooking, this would be 
my first choice for crashing the party :)

cory, your post was lovely, sniffle, sniffle - wonder of anyone noticed 
the actual date today... a pretty significant one
which is sad for some of us and of not much interest to others.  Hint: 1963.

As to Thanksgiving, Ashley and I are spending a quiet one at home 
 more festive plans got foiled by my close friend's
inlaws  - but while it would have been wonderful to have a Thanksgiving 
dinner with one my closest friends and her family,
I really don't mind missing the inforced joviality and so on.  

Oddly, the tradition of recent years was broken by another friend with 
many apologies as she and her sig other were
invited out of town by one of his close friends.  she was very relieved 
when I siad I honestly didn't care.   Then her
partner manged to injure himself at his work and they are not going 
anywhere.  

I had lots of time with close friends last weekend - and I loved it but 
it tired me.  

I took another friend to dinner at WHole foods last night.

I made Turkin soup two days ago to have today... but instead went to 
Whole Foods and bought all the
trimmings, but not turkey.  Then I walked to Chinatown and bought half a 
fully cooked duck.  I made myself
a southwest version of Peking duck using blue cornmeal tortillas I had 
in the freezer instead of Manderin pancakes.

I decided it was a great day to work on my internet stuff - pics and 
ebay sales and catch a few Scrabble games on line.

The neighborhood is luxuriously quiet with all the NYU kids gone off, 
and the weather is a bit too nice for now .

I have lots to be thankful for --  good health, good friends (even if my 
closest ones are not in NY right now) my
sweet kitty cat, a roof over my head.  

And a new cell phone - alas, much too fancy for me, but it was necessary 
as I drowned the old one when I
was up in the country for saturday and Sunday...  I paid almost nothing 
for the new one, but I had to do a 2 year
contract to get it.  My friend in the country gave me a lovely present 
of a 500 gig external hard drive!

thats my Thanksgiving report - boring as hell

have one or two pesos to post later

back to ebay

ann




[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I've tried the breast down method. It works well, but turning over a big bird 
is a hassle. The high temp method is at 425 degrees for around two hours for a 
14 pound bird. But I check it with a temperature probe and roast to 165 
degrees. The breasts are as moist as with the breast down method. Gourmet mag 
did a test of about six methods a couple of years ago. They were absolutely 
certain that the high temp method would yield awful, dry meat. But it turned 
out to be the best. I put fruit or veggies in the cavity, but just a couple 
for a loose fit. This year I used two lemon halves, a few sprigs of rosemary 
and about half an onion. I coated it inside and out with olive oil, then 
applied a fennel and peppercorn rub to the outside. That probably doesn't 
affect the meat much, but it does great things for the pan drippings, from 
which I make gravy. I also make stock from the gizzards and neck. Combined 
with the pan drippings and just a bit of heavy cream, it makes a great gravy.
Paul

  




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Re: Thanksgiving

2007-11-22 Thread David Savage
When we have turkey (Christmas) we buy a boned bird, thats rolled
around the stuffing,  do it on the BBQ.

It may not look as impressive, but it's a very consistant way to cook it.

Cheers,

On Nov 23, 2007 4:31 AM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've tried the breast down method. It works well, but turning over a big bird 
 is a hassle. The high temp method is at 425 degrees for around two hours for 
 a 14 pound bird. But I check it with a temperature probe and roast to 165 
 degrees. The breasts are as moist as with the breast down method. Gourmet mag 
 did a test of about six methods a couple of years ago. They were absolutely 
 certain that the high temp method would yield awful, dry meat. But it turned 
 out to be the best. I put fruit or veggies in the cavity, but just a couple 
 for a loose fit. This year I used two lemon halves, a few sprigs of rosemary 
 and about half an onion. I coated it inside and out with olive oil, then 
 applied a fennel and peppercorn rub to the outside. That probably doesn't 
 affect the meat much, but it does great things for the pan drippings, from 
 which I make gravy. I also make stock from the gizzards and neck. Combined 
 with the pan drippings and just a bit of heavy cream, it makes a great gravy.
 Paul

  -- Original message --
 From: Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  A no-brainer, but it makes an impressive mess.
 
  How high a temp do you use, and for how long?
 
  My favorite turkey-roasting trick is to roast it
  breast down for the first 3/4 of the roasting time,
  then flip it over to finish.  It makes the white meat
  much juicier.
 
  Rick
  (family cook)

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Re: PESO: Bath time ;-)

2007-11-22 Thread Mark Roberts
Rick Womer wrote:

Very, very nice, Mark.  I particularly like the
gradation of tones on the building as one moves from

I assume you've been to Bath? (If not, put it on the agenda for your 
next trip to Britain.) It's our favorite place to visit in Britain.

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Re: A 70-210 F4 assistance.

2007-11-22 Thread John Coyle
Dave, just roll back the edge of the focussing ring nearest the body.  There 
are three small screws there, and you 
probably only need to give them a small tweak.  Don't over-tighten!

No pictures, I'm afraid...

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
- Original Message - 
From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Pentax Discuss pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 9:54 PM
Subject: A 70-210 F4 assistance.


I have been told a number of times, that the focus slackness can be
 tightened by turning 3-4 screws under a piece of rubber.

 I have yet to find this peice of rubber that can be rolled back to
 expose the screws.

 Does anyone have a picture of said rubber piece rolled back.

 Its snowing and freezing rain and ice pelleting out this morning and i
 want t wander around town for some shots, and i feel like using the
 A70-210 F4, but i have sloppy focus.( yes i realize the come backs
 with that statement.:-))

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PESO: Thanksgiving Foliage 2, with link!

2007-11-22 Thread Rick Womer
Aargh!

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6667443size=lg

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Re: PESO: Sun Princess (YABP)

2007-11-22 Thread Rick Womer
Nice, Dave, but I think it tries to do a bit too much.
 To hold the reflections on the right (which are very
nice) you've had to let the ships blow out, especially
the one on the left.

Rick

--- David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 (YABP: Yet Another Bloody Panorama)
 
 G'day All,
 
 One of the bigger cruise ships (Sun Princes) that
 sails the seven
 seas is in port for a couple of days. I headed down
 this evening to
 have a look. Here's one of the shots I came away
 with:
 
 Small (1265x500, ~115kB)

http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/Pano/0028_sml.jpg
 
 Medium (2025x800, ~190kB)

http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/Pano/0028_med.jpg
 
 Large (3037x1200. ~ 395kB)

http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/Pano/0028_lrg.jpg
 
 Full Size(10921x4315. ~3.5MB)

http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/Pano/0028_xlrg.jpg
 (I'm already way over quota so this file will only
 be up for a couple of days)
 
 K10D, FA 77mm f1.8, 13 seconds @ f8, ISO 100, 6
 frames stitched using PTGui
 
 I freely admit that this isn't as interesting as my
 last pano, but I
 though I'd share it anyway.
 
 All comments welcome.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Dave
 
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Thanksgiving Foliage 2

2007-11-22 Thread Rick Womer
Another shot from my walk this morning.

K10D, DA 50-200, f/5.6 @ 1/350, ISO 200, RAW via LR.

Love that 50-200!

Comments appreciated.

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Re: Thanksgiving

2007-11-22 Thread Rick Womer
I didn't mean to trivialize your excellent post with
recipe discussions, Cory--I, too, value the friendship
of the people on the list.  This morning I went out
shooting, and really enjoyed it; and I am sure that I
would not have done so without the prospect of sharing
some of the photos with this group.  

Happy Thanksgiving fellow colonials!

Rick

--- cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It's Thanksgiving day here in America.
 Yesterday was the busiest travel day of the year (or
 Sunday will be... it's 
 neck and neck).  All the airports and highways are
 usually clogged to the 
 breaking point or beyond.  Family members across our
 nation were stressed to 
 the max trying to get their herds and shit together
 to make the trip to 
 Grandma's or Aunt's house to have a family gathering
 that can be one of the 
 best days of the year.
 
 Accidents happen.  Weather happens.  Cars break
 down.  People get drunk. 
 Inter-family fights that can cause rifts that last
 years or for 
 ever...happen.  People who have nobody might eat TV
 dinners alone.  We 
 Americans have hundreds of thousands or troops
 overseas. They and their 
 loved ones are sad today and probably more than a
 little afraid.
 
 Holidays cover the whole spectrum.
 
 But there's turkey, stuffing , green bean casserole,
 cranberries and of 
 course the NFL.  So it's not all bad right?
 
 I had the turkey feast with my family last night. 
 I'm working tonight 
 because the Falcons (Atlanta's pro football team)
 have a game.  It's the 
 first time in my 35 years that I've not had turkey,
 family and football all 
 together on this day.  It's a little weird.  But I
 cant *really* complain. 
 I have a job that pays alright, a home that's warm
 or cool as the weather 
 demands, more turkey than I can eat (where are those
 leftovers anyway?), and 
 lots of family who love me.
 
 It's tradition on Thanksgiving to take stock of the
 things you're thankful 
 for.
 
 I'm thankful for you lot.  Admittedly, you're not in
 the top tier on my list 
 evil grin  Family and love take that spot pretty
 well.  But my friends on 
 this list and others on the internet are a nice
 piece of life.
 
 So thanks guys and gals for being there, being
 funny, being thoughtful (yes, 
 really), and being friendly (mostly).
 
 Cheers.
 
 Cory Waters
 
 /moody
 /introspective
 
 
 
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Re: Peso Upsala wood church

2007-11-22 Thread David J Brooks
Thanks for the comments.

Not that cold, i think it was only -5C

Dave

On 11/22/07, Kristian Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Beautiful. Composition is very nice, and I really like the muted
 colour palette.

 (and it looks COLD there!)
 --
 Kristian

  David J Brooks wrote:
  http://picasaweb.google.com/pentkon52/General/
  photo#513454392259234
 
  This is an old wooden church, now unused, in Upsala Ontario, about 1
  1/2 hours west of Thunder Bay.
 
  I tried shooting this about 15 years ago, with film, but never
  managed
  a good shot. Its on private land which is gated off. I was hoping to
  get closer but this is from the road, and cropped a bit to get it
  closer.
 
  K10D, 77LTD minor tweek in PSCS
 
  Dave
 
 
 
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Re: PESO: Thanksgiving Foliage

2007-11-22 Thread David J Brooks
Good one Rick.

Good comp

Dave

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 Not from Seattle this time; from here at home in
 Philly.

 I took my newly-acquired FA 50-200 zoom (thanks, Dave
 S.!) for a walk this morning.  The colors we used to
 enjoy in late October have waited until late November
 this year.

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=676size=lg

 Comments welcome.

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Re: A 70-210 F4 assistance.

2007-11-22 Thread David J Brooks
I have tried that, but the focus ring is very stiff, and soes not seem
t want to bend.

I'll try again

Dave

On 11/22/07, John Coyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dave, just roll back the edge of the focussing ring nearest the body.  There 
 are three small screws there, and you
 probably only need to give them a small tweak.  Don't over-tighten!

 No pictures, I'm afraid...

 John Coyle
 Brisbane, Australia
 - Original Message -
 From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Pentax Discuss pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 9:54 PM
 Subject: A 70-210 F4 assistance.


 I have been told a number of times, that the focus slackness can be
  tightened by turning 3-4 screws under a piece of rubber.
 
  I have yet to find this peice of rubber that can be rolled back to
  expose the screws.
 
  Does anyone have a picture of said rubber piece rolled back.
 
  Its snowing and freezing rain and ice pelleting out this morning and i
  want t wander around town for some shots, and i feel like using the
  A70-210 F4, but i have sloppy focus.( yes i realize the come backs
  with that statement.:-))
 
  Dave
 
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Re: Thanksgiving

2007-11-22 Thread ntax
I don't really have anything to add to the thread, I just wanted to say

Happy Thanksgiving!

to my fellow Americans.  And to everyone else, thanks for being here and 
making up such a fun and dynamic community.

Here's my Thanksgiving/Halloween/Harvest-themed photo:

http://tinyurl.com/2unuxg

Thanks,
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Re: A 70-210 F4 assistance.

2007-11-22 Thread David J Brooks
Someone over at Pentaxforums, posted a shot of the ting folded back
and showed the screws. I now see where i have to look, but the focus
ring sure is stiff.

Dave

On 11/22/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have tried that, but the focus ring is very stiff, and soes not seem
 t want to bend.

 I'll try again

 Dave

 On 11/22/07, John Coyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Dave, just roll back the edge of the focussing ring nearest the body.  
  There are three small screws there, and you
  probably only need to give them a small tweak.  Don't over-tighten!
 
  No pictures, I'm afraid...
 
  John Coyle
  Brisbane, Australia
  - Original Message -
  From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Pentax Discuss pdml@pdml.net
  Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 9:54 PM
  Subject: A 70-210 F4 assistance.
 
 
  I have been told a number of times, that the focus slackness can be
   tightened by turning 3-4 screws under a piece of rubber.
  
   I have yet to find this peice of rubber that can be rolled back to
   expose the screws.
  
   Does anyone have a picture of said rubber piece rolled back.
  
   Its snowing and freezing rain and ice pelleting out this morning and i
   want t wander around town for some shots, and i feel like using the
   A70-210 F4, but i have sloppy focus.( yes i realize the come backs
   with that statement.:-))
  
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Re: PESO: Bath time ;-)

2007-11-22 Thread Rick Womer
No, I've never been there.  We tried once, but spent
hours stuck in traffic and never got there.

There is a possibility of a meeting in Bath next fall,
though.

Rick

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 Rick Womer wrote:
 
 Very, very nice, Mark.  I particularly like the
 gradation of tones on the building as one moves
 from
 
 I assume you've been to Bath? (If not, put it on the
 agenda for your 
 next trip to Britain.) It's our favorite place to
 visit in Britain.
 

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Re: PESO: Thanksgiving Foliage 2, with link!

2007-11-22 Thread David J Brooks
Looks like a nice crisp shot Rick.

The 50-200 is a pretty good lens

Dave

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 Aargh!

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6667443size=lg

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Re: Thanksgiving Foliage 2

2007-11-22 Thread David J Brooks
Nice snow shot Rick:-)

Dave

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 Another shot from my walk this morning.

 K10D, DA 50-200, f/5.6 @ 1/350, ISO 200, RAW via LR.

 Love that 50-200!

 Comments appreciated.

 Rick


   
 
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RE: PESO: Bath time ;-)

2007-11-22 Thread Bob W
Bath is also the home of the Royal Photographic Society:
http://www.rps.org/fenton-house



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 Sent: 22 November 2007 23:28
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 Subject: Re: PESO: Bath time ;-)
 
 No, I've never been there.  We tried once, but spent
 hours stuck in traffic and never got there.
 
 There is a possibility of a meeting in Bath next fall,
 though.
 
 Rick
 
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  Rick Womer wrote:
  
  Very, very nice, Mark.  I particularly like the
  gradation of tones on the building as one moves
  from
  
  I assume you've been to Bath? (If not, put it on the
  agenda for your 
  next trip to Britain.) It's our favorite place to
  visit in Britain.
  
 
 http://www.robertstech.com/pages/fotoblog/7d005607.htm
  
  
  
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Re: A 70-210 F4 assistance.

2007-11-22 Thread John Coyle
David, it's the rubber grip you roll back, not the ring itself: on my copy, 
it's quite flexible, although I had to use a 
tiny screwdriver to lift the edge to get a start on it.

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 Someone over at Pentaxforums, posted a shot of the ting folded back
 and showed the screws. I now see where i have to look, but the focus
 ring sure is stiff.

 Dave

 On 11/22/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have tried that, but the focus ring is very stiff, and soes not seem
 t want to bend.

 I'll try again

 Dave

 On 11/22/07, John Coyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Dave, just roll back the edge of the focussing ring nearest the body.  
  There are three small screws there, and you
  probably only need to give them a small tweak.  Don't over-tighten!
 
  No pictures, I'm afraid...
 
  John Coyle
  Brisbane, Australia
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  Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 9:54 PM
  Subject: A 70-210 F4 assistance.
 
 
  I have been told a number of times, that the focus slackness can be
   tightened by turning 3-4 screws under a piece of rubber.
  
   I have yet to find this peice of rubber that can be rolled back to
   expose the screws.
  
   Does anyone have a picture of said rubber piece rolled back.
  
   Its snowing and freezing rain and ice pelleting out this morning and i
   want t wander around town for some shots, and i feel like using the
   A70-210 F4, but i have sloppy focus.( yes i realize the come backs
   with that statement.:-))
  
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Re: PESO: Thanksgiving Foliage 2, with link!

2007-11-22 Thread Paul Stenquist
Very thanksgiving. Looks like cranberries! Nice shot.
Paul
On Nov 22, 2007, at 6:08 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

 Looks like a nice crisp shot Rick.

 The 50-200 is a pretty good lens

 Dave

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 Aargh!

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6667443size=lg

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Re: Thanksgiving

2007-11-22 Thread Paul Stenquist
Sounds great! That menu is more typical of our Christmas fare, but  
it's definitely a more appealing meal than the large ungainly bird.  
Enjoy!
Paul
On Nov 22, 2007, at 10:42 PM, John Francis wrote:

 On Thu, Nov 22, 2007 at 04:43:29PM -0500, ann sanfedele wrote:
 Gang, if Paul and his better half are doing the cooking, this  
 would be
 my first choice for crashing the party :)

 I'd like to think that our house eats as well as most, too.
 For the first time in almost 20 years we didn't actually do a
 turkey this time - it's only the two of us, and we still think
 of turkey as first and foremost a christmas dish. So instead
 we've just taken advantage of the first moderately cold weather
 to serve the traditional British roast prime rib of beef, roast
 potatoes, yorkshire pudding, with asparagus and brussels sprouts,
 hollandaise sauce and gravy.  That's all my responsibility, but
 as I type my wife is in the kitchen preparing fruit squares of
 pear and raspberry in puff pastry, accompanied by whipped cream.
 With a bottle of a Russian River Pinot Noir with the beef, and
 Ethiopian Harrar coffee to follow, I'm well pleased.


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Re: Thanksgiving

2007-11-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
For all of those who celebrate,
And all you who do not,
I hope your day was good
And that dinner was hot.

Godfrey


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Re: PESO: B-17 at Orlando Executive

2007-11-22 Thread Anthony Farr
It's been a busy time in my house, so I'm only now seeing some 4 week old posts.

I hope Walter will forgive me if I muck about with his pic, but I felt
that it was crying out for some help along the lines of the old
Workshop Over (a) Week, or WOW, concept we had going a few years
back.

Firstly, that blown sky together with the desaturated shadows just
lacks punch, and no richness of visible detail will compensate for
that.  So I tweaked the levels to get back to a full histogram.

The remainder of the edit is too elaborate to go into details, but my
general method is to put a correction layer below the current best
layer, and optimize one aspect only of the picture, disregarding the
quality of any other area.  Then I erase that aspect from the top
layer so that the optimisation will reveal itself.  I'll repeat that
as many times as there are improvements to be made, eventually every
area will have been optimised to its own best result, while being
absolutely unaffected by work in any other area.

Partway through this edit I was tempted to go down the red shirt
path but instead decided that selective local colour retention was
better.  So I got rid of colour distractions such as the blue 'copters
and the tan  beige colour scheme of the foreground spectator, and
desaturated the overly vivid grass.

Hope you like it, Walter, but if you feel violated by my intrusion
upon your artistic prerogatives just say so and I'll retire the image
(which BTW I've got well protected by dominant watermarks).

See my revision at:

http://picasaweb.google.com/FarrAnthony/WOW/photo?authkey=aGUWIoec0M0#5135874691508048610

regards,
Anthony Farr

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 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/newtmaker/B17-Orlando.jpg

 This was on display here over the weekend. I shot a bunch of DNG Raws
 and used Lightroom to edit, print, etc. It was a yucky day but I was
 fairly pleased with the result.

 Walt

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Re: Microsoft Access

2007-11-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Nov 22, 2007, at 12:12 PM, Bob W wrote:

 they dumped all the cool stuff a
 year and a half back

 that, in a nutshell, is why these operating systems are all such shit.
 They think people want cool stuff and candy, when in point of fact all
 they want is something that works and is easy.

Well, the cool stuff in the context of what I was saying would have  
been all the stuff that made them truly more reliable and easier to use.

Godfrey

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Re: Thanksgiving

2007-11-22 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Nov 22, 2007 at 04:43:29PM -0500, ann sanfedele wrote:
 Gang, if Paul and his better half are doing the cooking, this would be 
 my first choice for crashing the party :)

I'd like to think that our house eats as well as most, too.
For the first time in almost 20 years we didn't actually do a
turkey this time - it's only the two of us, and we still think
of turkey as first and foremost a christmas dish. So instead
we've just taken advantage of the first moderately cold weather
to serve the traditional British roast prime rib of beef, roast
potatoes, yorkshire pudding, with asparagus and brussels sprouts,
hollandaise sauce and gravy.  That's all my responsibility, but
as I type my wife is in the kitchen preparing fruit squares of
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Re: Thanksgiving

2007-11-22 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Nov 22, 2007 at 10:32:23PM -0500, Paul Stenquist wrote:
 I was down under for New Year's eve one time. (Working). But I  
 remember it's more like our fourth of July. Warm weather does strange  
 things to people:-).
 Paul

Somewhere around here I've got a picture from 1978 of Christmas Day
in New Zealand - we're in light summer clothing and dark sunglasses,
standing around a tinsel christmas tree on the lawn (together with
a soft cuddly kiwi, which is looking down at me even now).


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