Re: Sort of. My first love.
Terrific story Paul, made me wonder whether I'd ever had such a passion in my own life... couldn't think of anything! Good photo too. John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:17 PM Subject: PESO: Sort of. My first love. Thirty-two years ago I packed a negative away in a big cardboard box and tried to forget it. It was a picture of my first love: a 235 mph monster of a Corvette funny car that was in real danger of ruining my marriage and maybe my life. In those carefree years between college and responsibility I worked as a crew chief for a professional drag racing team. I had grown up with a wrench in my hand. My grandfather was a mechanic, and I built my first race car, a Pontiac-powered '34 Ford when I was fifteen, followed by a little digger at eighteen. During college I worked building racing engines at Simonsen's in Chicago. By the time I graduated, I could build motors in my sleep, and a local racing team recruited me to wrench their car. I loved being alone in the shop with a fresh engine, turning it and listening to the new piston rings scrape the freshly honed cylinder walls. Feeling the drag on the wrench that was locked onto the front pulley. Checking cylinder leakdown and working hour after hour to get it to three percent. I fell in love with the smell of nitro and tire smoke, and the thrill of watching something I put together streak to over 200 mph in around six seconds. Burning that motor down, only to build another one for the next race. It was an incredible rush. In the interim I discovered women, fell in love all over again and got married, but the race car remained my focus. Seventy hours a week. From Miami to Maine, Texas to Indiana, Minnesota, North Dakota, Edmonton, Winnipeg and Toronto. We toured the continent, made some money and had the time of our lives. We were on the radio: Sunday, Sunday, Screaming Yellow Fever, the world's fastest Corvette. And at 6.35, 237 mph, we were just that. And my wife was at home. She wanted no part of it, so it just didn't work. And I gave it up, and put the negative in a box along with the memories and the addiction. Over the years I forgot where that negative was, but today, while looking for something else, I rdiscovered it. The track photographer at US 30 dragstrip in Gary, Indiana shot the pic at a Wednesday night event thirty-two and a half years ago. I think he used a C2 Mamiya TLR. His name was Sundberg. I know because his name is written on the envelope that holds the negative. I just now scanned it and made myself a 13 x 19 print for the wall. I can look at it now without wishing I was back there. It's here: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6849463size=lg Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PDML Logo stuff now on line
From: Ken Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/01/17 Thu PM 06:37:04 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PDML Logo stuff now on line And since you're a 600/4 owner, I'm sure you're going to want that thong:-) I was thinking along the lines of a 250-500mm ZOOM! I would be heading for the doctor if I only had a x2 zoom. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 2007 Quotations List On Line
From: ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/01/17 Thu PM 05:30:00 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: 2007 Quotations List On Line mike wilson wrote: From: ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/01/16 Wed PM 03:58:07 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: 2007 Quotations List On Line Bob W wrote: or pusillanimous, which is a much better word. -- Bob Which is how I read his dyslexic mispelling, and was about to enter it when I realized I would ahve to look it up to spell right. I think I learned that word from seeing Look Back in Anger on stage. you young'uns won't know what the hell I'm talking about without google, though :) Careful, or I'll start thinking of you as Lady Bracknell. Well I do love cucumber sandwiches :) Is that a brick in your handbag or are you just pleased to see me? - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Evil Bill found this in his spam bin
Let me guess. You took offence because medicated powder was specified? From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/01/17 Thu PM 08:44:53 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Evil Bill found this in his spam bin Alright, that's just too perverse to be real. The setup alone would make it unlikely. On line collections of this type just ask for people to invent new terms no one ever used for events that would never happen. Bob Sullivan wrote: EB, Way too much time on your hands in the Frozen North! Regards, Bob S. On Jan 17, 2008 9:03 AM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's kinda rude http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bavarian+creamdefid=2755484 Don't complain to me if it offends, I'm just the messenger. EB -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Ford claims ownership of images
From: Antti-Pekka Virjonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] (trimmed, for the children) Yes Cotty, 2.05 a litre, but how did you end up with 9.22 USD per gallon? I think that would be 7.75 USD per US gallon. Ahh, you must have used the Imperial gallon. It seems that the gas price in good old England is nowadays the same as over here. Does your Range run on gas (V8)? How about diesel fuel, what is the current price? 2-3p per litre more. Our benevolent government realised that diesel cars were becoming more popular, so increased the tax on fuel for these vehicles, which use less of a fuel that is more economical to make. However, road tax is now based on emissions, so my wife's 1.4 diesel costs £35 per year compared to my 1.8 at (whimper) £180. Now that fuel has crossed the £1/litre barrier (just before Christmas) I expect it to reach nearly £2/litre this year. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO -- 3 [Fireless] BW
Well geez, in the daylight it's just boring. The poor little engine is a display centerpiece in an outdoor mall, in daylight it looks like it. mike wilson wrote: From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%20%203firelessbw-ir.html Equipment as before. I think you are wasting your time with this one. There is something about the ambient lighting that is reacting with the capture method to produce an appearance of oversharpening. A daylight shot might produce a more pleasing (less unfashionable.?) image. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO -- 3 [Fireless] BW
From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%20%203firelessbw-ir.html Equipment as before. I think you are wasting your time with this one. There is something about the ambient lighting that is reacting with the capture method to produce an appearance of oversharpening. A daylight shot might produce a more pleasing (less unfashionable.?) image. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Sort of. My first love.
On 17/01/08, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: I loved being alone in the shop with a fresh engine, turning it and listening to the new piston rings scrape the freshly honed cylinder walls. Now that's a T shirt! http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6849463size=lg Great story, great pic, thanks for sharing. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Ford claims ownership of images
On 18/01/08, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed: However, road tax is now based on emissions, so my wife's 1.4 diesel costs £35 per year compared to my 1.8 at (whimper) £180. My Land Rover @ £240 per year. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: No Bills!!
Thanks Bong. I would have liked have taken at least 1 without people, but it was a pretty busy thoroughfare so I just made do :-) But the more I look at it the more I like the people. Cheers, Dave On Jan 12, 2008 11:21 PM, Bong Manayon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dave, The contrast is excellent, as well as the symmetry. I wonder though, what it would be like without the people, they seem to get in the way of the vanishing point where the lines converge. Bong On Jan 12, 2008 9:51 PM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/PESO/peso_040.htm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sort of. My first love.
Simonsen's was on 89th and Stony Island on the south side. Our first race car shop was at 50th and Damen in an old gas station. Our last one was at 67th and Pulaski in what had once been a warehouse. Paul On Jan 17, 2008, at 11:58 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: Paul: Great story!!! Really enjoyed reading it. Fun to see the car pic as well. Cheers, Christine P.S. I asked my husband if he'd heard of Simonsen, but no joy. - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:17 PM Subject: PESO: Sort of. My first love. Thirty-two years ago I packed a negative away in a big cardboard box and tried to forget it. It was a picture of my first love: a 235 mph monster of a Corvette funny car that was in real danger of ruining my marriage and maybe my life. In those carefree years between college and responsibility I worked as a crew chief for a professional drag racing team. I had grown up with a wrench in my hand. My grandfather was a mechanic, and I built my first race car, a Pontiac-powered '34 Ford when I was fifteen, followed by a little digger at eighteen. During college I worked building racing engines at Simonsen's in Chicago. By the time I graduated, I could build motors in my sleep, and a local racing team recruited me to wrench their car. I loved being alone in the shop with a fresh engine, turning it and listening to the new piston rings scrape the freshly honed cylinder walls. Feeling the drag on the wrench that was locked onto the front pulley. Checking cylinder leakdown and working hour after hour to get it to three percent. I fell in love with the smell of nitro and tire smoke, and the thrill of watching something I put together streak to over 200 mph in around six seconds. Burning that motor down, only to build another one for the next race. It was an incredible rush. In the interim I discovered women, fell in love all over again and got married, but the race car remained my focus. Seventy hours a week. From Miami to Maine, Texas to Indiana, Minnesota, North Dakota, Edmonton, Winnipeg and Toronto. We toured the continent, made some money and had the time of our lives. We were on the radio: Sunday, Sunday, Screaming Yellow Fever, the world's fastest Corvette. And at 6.35, 237 mph, we were just that. And my wife was at home. She wanted no part of it, so it just didn't work. And I gave it up, and put the negative in a box along with the memories and the addiction. Over the years I forgot where that negative was, but today, while looking for something else, I rdiscovered it. The track photographer at US 30 dragstrip in Gary, Indiana shot the pic at a Wednesday night event thirty-two and a half years ago. I think he used a C2 Mamiya TLR. His name was Sundberg. I know because his name is written on the envelope that holds the negative. I just now scanned it and made myself a 13 x 19 print for the wall. I can look at it now without wishing I was back there. It's here: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6849463size=lg Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sort of. My first love.
I remember the name but didn't know him. We had to test our own fuel for tuning purposes, because higher percentages of nitro run leaner because the nitro liberates oxygen molecules as it heats up. (That's why it's so powerful.) We used a hydrometer to measure specific gravity and then corrected it for temperature by means of a chart that came with the hydrometer. The specific gravity would tell you what percentage nitro the fuel mix was. We mixed the nitromethane with methyl alcohol. Straight up nitro is almost too powerful and supposedly doesn't burn as well as a mix. I never tried it undiluted. In large displacement motors of 484 or 496 cubic inches I ran 86 or 87% nitro. But in small displacement (426 cid) engines, we ran up to 97% nitro. Those little motors sounded great and ran really well at the other end of the track, but they didn't have the grunt of the long stroke versions. Paul On Jan 17, 2008, at 11:43 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: How about Art Lynch? He was a good ol' boy from small-town Missouri who loved cars. When I knew him in the '70's, he was working on the NHRA technical staff (volunteer?) doing fuel testing at Nationals and maybe some other events as well. He invented a gadget that let him quickly determine the specific gravity of the fuel, IIRC. I never totally understood what he was doing and how, but loved to listen to his stories about the people and cars he came across. Really nice guy... stan On Jan 17, 2008, at 9:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Bill.Don't recall him. I worked on a few short track stock cars in the Chicago area-- my boss at Simonsen's was a short track stock car racer., But I was a drag racer at heart and didn't pay a lot of attention to what the oval racers were doing. Power was what intriggued me, and nothing was (or is) as powerful as a drag engine. We made around three thousand horsepower in my day. They make around seven thousand horsepower today. Paul -- Original message -- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sweet story, sweet car, and a sweet picture of it. You ever run into a guy named Dave MacDonald? He drove Nascar back around the same time, but was a real track monkey also. William Robb - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: PESO: Sort of. My first love. Thirty-two years ago I packed a negative away in a big cardboard box and tried to forget it. It was a picture of my first love: a 235 mph monster of a Corvette funny car that was in real danger of ruining my marriage and maybe my life. In those carefree years between college and responsibility I worked as a crew chief for a professional drag racing team. I had grown up with a wrench in my hand. My grandfather was a mechanic, and I built my first race car, a Pontiac-powered '34 Ford when I was fifteen, followed by a little digger at eighteen. During college I worked building racing engines at Simonsen's in Chicago. By the time I graduated, I could build motors in my sleep, and a local racing team recruited me to wrench their car. I loved being alone in the shop with a fresh engine, turning it and listening to the new piston rings scrape the freshly honed cylinder walls. Feeling the drag on the wrench that was locked onto the front pulley. Checking cylinder leakdown and working hour after hour to get it to three percent. I fell in love with the smell of nitro and tire smoke, and the thrill of watching something I put together streak to over 200 mph in around six seconds. Burning that motor down, only to build another one for the next race. It was an incredible rush. In the interim I discovered women, fell in love all over again and got married, but the race car remained my focus. Seventy hours a week. From Miami to Maine, Texas to Indiana, Minnesota, North Dakota, Edmonton, Winnipeg and Toronto. We toured the continent, made some money and had the time of our lives. We were on the radio: Sunday, Sunday, Screaming Yellow Fever, the world's fastest Corvette. And at 6.35, 237 mph, we were just that. And my wife was at home. She wanted no part of it, so it just didn't work. And I gave it up, and put the negative in a box along with the memories and the addiction. Over the years I forgot where that negative was, but today, while looking for something else, I rdiscovered it. The track photographer at US 30 dragstrip in Gary, Indiana shot the pic at a Wednesday night event thirty-two and a half years ago. I think he used a C2 Mamiya TLR. His name was Sundberg. I know because his name is written on the envelope that holds the negative. I just now scanned it and made myself a 13 x 19 print for the wall. I can look at it now without wishing I was back there. It's here: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6849463size=lg Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net
Re: Evil Bill found this in his spam bin
I'm not offended, though I'm sure that Mr. Robb intended that. I've never heard of a Bavarian Cream job before. To my knowledge Bavarian Cream is the sweet yellowish cream filling in a puff pastry with chocolate frosting, (and if you wish to find a perverse sexual meaning to that description, you can it's easy enough). The description on the page linked to is a fetishistic behavior that is so specialized that I couldn't imagine, and believe me I have a lot of imagination, how anyone could even indulge in it regularly enough to have to name it, let alone share it with the world. So it's a joke being passed off as an even bigger joke on those who might take it seriously. mike wilson wrote: Let me guess. You took offence because medicated powder was specified? From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/01/17 Thu PM 08:44:53 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Evil Bill found this in his spam bin Alright, that's just too perverse to be real. The setup alone would make it unlikely. On line collections of this type just ask for people to invent new terms no one ever used for events that would never happen. Bob Sullivan wrote: EB, Way too much time on your hands in the Frozen North! Regards, Bob S. On Jan 17, 2008 9:03 AM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's kinda rude http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bavarian+creamdefid=2755484 Don't complain to me if it offends, I'm just the messenger. EB -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Sort of. My first love.
From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's here: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6849463size=lg Excellent story to illustrate the picture. You did a good job with the scan. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Ford claims ownership of images
On 18/01/08, Antti-Pekka Virjonen, discombobulated, unleashed: Does your Range run on gas (V8)? How about diesel fuel, what is the current price? Diesel for both vehicles. One is a 2495cc 4 cyl, the other is a 2495cc 5 cyl. Diesel here is more expensive than petrol. Say, £1.09 per litre as opposed to £1.04. HTH -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: No Bills!!
Thanks mate. And thanks to everyone else for their comments. Sorry for having taken so long to reply, but I've been having intermittent internet connection problems at home. Cheers, Dave On Jan 13, 2008 5:35 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a nice conversion and I think it's very effective. David Savage wrote: http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/PESO/peso_040.htm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: No Bills!!
On Jan 13, 2008 2:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/12/2008 5:53:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/PESO/peso_040.htm Nice shot. Wouldn't have occurred to me to shoot something like that, although there is plenty of building around here, thus plenty of opportunity. Thanks Marnie. I generally wouldn't have shot this sort of thing either, but the barriers were so nicely made painted. It's quite impressive compared to what they do around construction site here. I just had to take it :-) Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: No Bills!!
Thanks Dave. Cheers, Dave On Jan 12, 2008 11:48 PM, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like the lines in this. Dave On Jan 12, 2008 8:51 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/PESO/peso_040.htm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: No Bills!!
Not much I could have done at the time. I suppose I could have screamed at them like a deranged madman. I bet that would have cleared the crowd :-) I kinda like how the people break up the symmetry. And as an aside I quite often like the effect on compositions where a repeating pattern is broken up. Thanks for looking your thoughts. Cheers, Dave On Jan 13, 2008 12:23 AM, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm... I like the lines and the contrast, but am not sure what to do about the people. Either they should be closer, so that more is happening in the frame, or they shouldn't be there at all so that there is nothing to interrupt the converging lines. Rick On Jan 12, 2008 9:51 PM, David Savage http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/PESO/peso_040.htm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: No Bills!!
f22 wouldn't have been hand holdable for me. Also I wasn't aiming for huge depth. I just wanted enough for the painted warning to be sharp. Thanks for looking. Dave On Jan 13, 2008 12:23 AM, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave, nice composition and exposure. Am somewhat surprised that f/8 gave you the needed DoF. I would have probably set f/22 and lost some resolution. Well done. Jack --- David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/PESO/peso_040.htm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Ford claims ownership of images
Antti-Pekka Virjonen wrote: [ ... ] W Banning the studs here would be a mass murder. We know quite well how to drive in bad conditions but I think driving without studded tires can be compared to planning a suicide ;-). I've used studless tires for several winters now, and found that they are quite good. New studded tires are better on hard ice, but once you've used them a bit, and the studs are starting to get worn down, I'm no longer so sure. And which is safer is also a matter of how you drive. Often when this discussion comes up, it strikes me that the proponents of studded tires have way too much confidence in the studs, so that they would probably be safer without them just because they would drive more carefully. Remember that modern studless winter tires are not just studded tires without the studs; they have a completely different rubber mixture etc. - T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: No Bills!!
Thanks Christine Cheers, Dave On Jan 13, 2008 12:54 AM, Christine Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave: Yes, would much prefer the shot without the people. But everything else? Excellent! Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/PESO/peso_040.htm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Sort of. My first love.
Great pic Paul. It brings back memories to me as well, but only from a rank amateur's perspective. I was out in the CA Mojave desert in Ridgecrest from 62 to 64. Bought my first car, a 62 Impala SS that I eventually modified and ran as a C Modified Production. It was a dog because of the Powerglide trans but kept me entertained for about 18 months. At the local drag strip in Inyokern I got to rub elbows with folks like Stone, Woods and Cook, Hayden Proffett, and Big John Mazmanian. Even saw Shirley Sheehan sever times when she was running FX'ers. I vividly remember a race between her in a 4 speed (can't remember the car type) and an opponent with a 3 speed of the exact same make. They tried 3 times and every time was a draw. Back then at that site, the winner was determined by a flagman, who couldn't see like timing lights, but it was fun anyway. Interestingly, I hear that the old airport at Inyokern is now used to produce all those hideous car commercials defying all kinds of stupid scenarios! Anyway, thanks for the memories!! Walt On 1/17/08, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thirty-two years ago I packed a negative away in a big cardboard box and tried to forget it. It was a picture of my first love: a 235 mph monster of a Corvette funny car that was in real danger of ruining my marriage and maybe my life. In those carefree years between college and responsibility I worked as a crew chief for a professional drag racing team. I had grown up with a wrench in my hand. My grandfather was a mechanic, and I built my first race car, a Pontiac-powered '34 Ford when I was fifteen, followed by a little digger at eighteen. During college I worked building racing engines at Simonsen's in Chicago. By the time I graduated, I could build motors in my sleep, and a local racing team recruited me to wrench their car. I loved being alone in the shop with a fresh engine, turning it and listening to the new piston rings scrape the freshly honed cylinder walls. Feeling the drag on the wrench that was locked onto the front pulley. Checking cylinder leakdown and working hour after hour to get it to three percent. I fell in love with the smell of nitro and tire smoke, and the thrill of watching something I put together streak to over 200 mph in around six seconds. Burning that motor down, only to build another one for the next race. It was an incredible rush. In the interim I discovered women, fell in love all over again and got married, but the race car remained my focus. Seventy hours a week. From Miami to Maine, Texas to Indiana, Minnesota, North Dakota, Edmonton, Winnipeg and Toronto. We toured the continent, made some money and had the time of our lives. We were on the radio: Sunday, Sunday, Screaming Yellow Fever, the world's fastest Corvette. And at 6.35, 237 mph, we were just that. And my wife was at home. She wanted no part of it, so it just didn't work. And I gave it up, and put the negative in a box along with the memories and the addiction. Over the years I forgot where that negative was, but today, while looking for something else, I rdiscovered it. The track photographer at US 30 dragstrip in Gary, Indiana shot the pic at a Wednesday night event thirty-two and a half years ago. I think he used a C2 Mamiya TLR. His name was Sundberg. I know because his name is written on the envelope that holds the negative. I just now scanned it and made myself a 13 x 19 print for the wall. I can look at it now without wishing I was back there. It's here: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6849463size=lg Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO -- 3 [Fireless] BW
Well i prefer this one over the first, only because the colour scheme seemed ab it over bearing, even for a train.:-) Dave On Jan 18, 2008 2:33 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK so most people were underwhelmed by the little fireless steam switcher. So I decided to work with the problems in the image, and did a BW conversion. I lightened the mid tones and emphasized the Red channel first then converted using a the red filter option, then hit the converted image with the slightest amount of Gaussian Blur to try to replicate the feel of a IR photo. I think it does kind of look like that. http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%20%203firelessbw-ir.html Equipment as before. As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Sort of. My first love.
You're right. It is a nice pan. And if I'm correct and the photog was shooting with a TLR he may have been watching the car come through the glass backwards! Cotty commented on the scan quality. Thanks. My Epson 3200 does a fairly good job on MF negs when they're flat enough. And since this neg was weighted down with a bunch of magazines and other negs for the last 32 years, it's flat as a pancake. Paul -- Original message -- From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Jan 17, 2008 10:17 PM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIPPED Thirty-two years ago I packed a negative away in a big cardboard box I just now scanned it and made myself a 13 x 19 print for the wall. I can look at it now without wishing I was back there. It's here: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6849463size=lg Paul Great story and love the photo. Guy knew how to pan, and exposure.:-) Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: No Bills!!
- Original Message - From: ann sanfedele Subject: Re: PESO: No Bills!! Lot of Law abiding folk there... love it, David Canadians tend to commit their crimes in private EB -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Sort of. My first love.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6849463size=lg Cool shot! Nice that they painted your name on the car :) The story reminds me of the old racer's t-shirt: She said if I went racing one more time she'd leave me. Damn, I'm going to miss her. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: No Bills!!
David Savage wrote: G'day All, While on my way to GFM last year, I took this during my stopover in Vancouver (~150kb) http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/PESO/peso_040.htm This was taken down along the sea wall where lots of construction was taking place. Any all comments welcome. Cheers, Dave Lot of Law abiding folk there... love it, David ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax sighting
Stan Halpin wrote: So the K1000 is officially confirmed to be prehistoric? What does that make the Spotmatic? Primordial! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Sort of. My first love.
On Jan 17, 2008 10:17 PM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIPPED Thirty-two years ago I packed a negative away in a big cardboard box I just now scanned it and made myself a 13 x 19 print for the wall. I can look at it now without wishing I was back there. It's here: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6849463size=lg Paul Great story and love the photo. Guy knew how to pan, and exposure.:-) Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DNG converter question
That sounds like what I want. I'll go take a look. Thanks Paul. Gonz On 1/17/08, Paul Sorenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gonz - I use DownloaderPro by Breeze Systems. Using the plug-ins provided with the software here's what it will do...download the originals, whether pef or jpg, and put them in a primary directory, convert the pef's to dng's and put them in whatever directory you specify (assuming you have DNG Converter installed), create copies of all the originals on the card and put them in a backup directory - you can specify both a primary and a secondary backup directory. You can try it free for 30 days to see if it's what you want. There's also an SDK available that will let you write more plug-ins in C++. http://www.breezesys.com/ -p Gonz wrote: I want to automate my backup/conversion flow, and I dont know if you guys have ever run across any tools that do this. Basically I take the images from the file, if they are PEF, I convert them with Adobe's DNG converter, save the PEF files in a negatives directory, back that up, then put the DNG in my working area. If the original is a JPG, then I just skip the conversion stage, but the backup still happens and the copy is put into the working area also. If there are no prebuilt tools or scripts that do this, I will write my own. My biggest issue is calling the converter from the script. Does anyone know if this is possible, and if so, what the command line arguments are? Thanks in advance Gonz -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO -- 3 [Fireless] BW
In a message dated 1/17/2008 11:37:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK so most people were underwhelmed by the little fireless steam switcher. So I decided to work with the problems in the image, and did a BW conversion. I lightened the mid tones and emphasized the Red channel first then converted using a the red filter option, then hit the converted image with the slightest amount of Gaussian Blur to try to replicate the feel of a IR photo. I think it does kind of look like that. http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%20%203firelessbw-ir.htm l Equipment as before. As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. = Better. The first one had too much handheld shake, visible to me, anyway, as that. You've compensated for it and it is improved, but it still looks somewhat funny. But better. You might try it taking again. HTH. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sort of. My first love.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's here: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6849463size=lg Nice one, Paul! I love the opacity of the smoke cloud. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Sort of. My first love.
Thanks Godders. And thanks to all who have responded so kindly to this post. Paul -- Original message -- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Such grand and wonderful nostalgia. The picture adds depth and enhances the memory. Photography is a time machine of superlative quality. All those yesterdays preserved for memory to revel in. Thanks for posting it. :-) Godfrey On Jan 17, 2008, at 7:17 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Thirty-two years ago I packed a negative away in a big cardboard box and tried to forget it. I can look at it now without wishing I was back there. It's here: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6849463size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: hello
In a message dated 1/18/2008 11:08:50 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anybody home? -- Scott Loveless === I'm here now, but going out later. Marnie :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Dave's lucky shot
I was speaking photographically from the William Tell/Robin Hood standpoint... Walter Hamler wrote: Actually, in darts, the way I was taught in NZ, is to hit combinations of areas on the board, not necessarily the bullseye. Walt On 1/18/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would have worked better if you'd hit the bullseye. -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Dave's lucky shot
Actually, in darts, the way I was taught in NZ, is to hit combinations of areas on the board, not necessarily the bullseye. Walt On 1/18/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would have worked better if you'd hit the bullseye. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: WTB: Pentax 35mm 1.4x-S and possibly 35mm 2x-S rear converters
Does anyone have a spare 35mm 1.4x-S rear converter? never mind that does anyone have a 35mm f1.4 :-) I have 2. Zeiss 'n' Leitz. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: WTB: Pentax 35mm 1.4x-S and possibly 35mm 2x-S rear converters
Someone must... http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/lenses/primes/wide-angle/M35f1.4.html Cotty wrote: On 18/01/08, Cymen Vig, discombobulated, unleashed: Does anyone have a spare 35mm 1.4x-S rear converter? never mind that does anyone have a 35mm f1.4 :-) -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: WTB: Pentax 35mm 1.4x-S and possibly 35mm 2x-S rear converters
That's not what it says... Lucas Rijnders wrote: Op Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:36:36 +0100 schreef Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 18/01/08, Cymen Vig, discombobulated, unleashed: Does anyone have a spare 35mm 1.4x-S rear converter? never mind that does anyone have a 35mm f1.4 :-) Leica, Canon, Minolta, Nikon... According to the KMP Pentax just made a hood for one ;-) -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Merc Museum 3
I like the shot with it! Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 4:24 PM Subject: Re: PESO - Merc Museum 3 On 18/01/08, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed: Cotty: The Mercedes Bengal Tiger Limo! Very cool shot. I love pics of dramatic lines such. Just out of interest, there's a bit of a smudge on the back windshield: is that reflection? smudge? what? Cheers, Christine Thank you Christine. Much appreciated. It's a darker cloud reflected in the sky. I wondered about it, but c'est la vie unh :-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sort of. My first love.
Good experiences, nice memories ! Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO: Sort of. My first love. Thirty-two years ago I packed a negative away in a big cardboard box and tried to forget it. It was a picture of my first love: a 235 mph monster of a Corvette funny car that was in real danger of ruining my marriage and maybe my life. In those carefree years between college and responsibility I worked as a crew chief for a professional drag racing team. I had grown up with a wrench in my hand. My grandfather was a mechanic, and I built my first race car, a Pontiac-powered '34 Ford when I was fifteen, followed by a little digger at eighteen. During college I worked building racing engines at Simonsen's in Chicago. By the time I graduated, I could build motors in my sleep, and a local racing team recruited me to wrench their car. I loved being alone in the shop with a fresh engine, turning it and listening to the new piston rings scrape the freshly honed cylinder walls. Feeling the drag on the wrench that was locked onto the front pulley. Checking cylinder leakdown and working hour after hour to get it to three percent. I fell in love with the smell of nitro and tire smoke, and the thrill of watching something I put together streak to over 200 mph in around six seconds. Burning that motor down, only to build another one for the next race. It was an incredible rush. In the interim I discovered women, fell in love all over again and got married, but the race car remained my focus. Seventy hours a week. From Miami to Maine, Texas to Indiana, Minnesota, North Dakota, Edmonton, Winnipeg and Toronto. We toured the continent, made some money and had the time of our lives. We were on the radio: Sunday, Sunday, Screaming Yellow Fever, the world's fastest Corvette. And at 6.35, 237 mph, we were just that. And my wife was at home. She wanted no part of it, so it just didn't work. And I gave it up, and put the negative in a box along with the memories and the addiction. Over the years I forgot where that negative was, but today, while looking for something else, I rdiscovered it. The track photographer at US 30 dragstrip in Gary, Indiana shot the pic at a Wednesday night event thirty-two and a half years ago. I think he used a C2 Mamiya TLR. His name was Sundberg. I know because his name is written on the envelope that holds the negative. I just now scanned it and made myself a 13 x 19 print for the wall. I can look at it now without wishing I was back there. It's here: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6849463size=lg Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - The Stand
A stand of trees right next to the coast. They grow just above the sea cliffs. Pentax K10D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 135mm ISO 200, 1/125 sec @ f/5.6, handheld http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_5612bw.htm Comments welcome -- Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO:...(was PESO: Maja)
Timber's use of the Takumar (K-mount) 135/2.5 inspired me to take mine out for a walk... http://www.bong.uni.cc/peso/2008-04.htm Bong -- Bong Manayon http://www.bong.uni.cc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Ford claims ownership of images
On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 11:45 -0800, Brendan MacRae wrote: --- William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is where the calender people are running afoul of things. If the brand or nameplates are recognizable, they probably are in violation of copyright law, if the vehicle is recognizable as a particular make/model, they may be in violation as well. I think Ford is being pretty stupid to push the issue, though if it showed their product in a bad way, they would be wise to pursue it. William Robb I agree with that. I would guess Ford's legal dept is trying to stay consistant and not allow some use here and there while restricting others. Inconsistancy could hurt them ...down the road (pun intended). -Brendan Maybe, Ford felt burned by the explosive images from the calendar of the Pinto Ownership and Organization of Fire-Eaters (POOF). Robert Chow -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: WTB: Pentax 35mm 1.4x-S and possibly 35mm 2x-S rear converters
Op Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:18:22 +0100 schreef P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Actually my reading is that Boz says he thought it was rumor, but since he actually held a release product box with the dedicated hood, and the hood itself, is pretty sure that +/-5 exist as a released product, but he can't be 100% positive. A bit better than rumor but a bit less than beyond a reasonable doubt. That's what he writes, yes. I was exaggerating a bit, of course. Nevertheless, I can easily imagine that Pentax already purchased a batch of hoods for the lens. If the lens were cancelled at the last moment, they would be sitting somewhere in a warehouse, with one 'getting lost' after a while. Until someone owns up, we'll never know... Ciao, Lucas Lucas Rijnders wrote: Op Fri, 18 Jan 2008 22:28:05 +0100 schreef P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: That's not what it says... It says the hood exists but the lens is only a rumour. That's pretty close to what I said, isn't it? It would be nice if Pentax would take this up again, and develop a DA 35/1,4 hood. A fast normal hood is missing in the line-up grin Lucas Rijnders wrote: Op Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:36:36 +0100 schreef Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 18/01/08, Cymen Vig, discombobulated, unleashed: Does anyone have a spare 35mm 1.4x-S rear converter? never mind that does anyone have a 35mm f1.4 :-) Leica, Canon, Minolta, Nikon... According to the KMP Pentax just made a hood for one ;-) -- Ciao, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
DA* 60-250 mm F4
You all have probably gone over this already but, what's up with the long DA*? Does anyone know when this lens will be available? Regards, -Jon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: hello
I'm in Orlando waiting to go back to wintery Kansas City. Plane delayed by an hour, so far... If you like I can call and let you know when I get home. Current estimate - about 0030 EST. ;-) stan On Jan 18, 2008, at 1:04 PM, Scott Loveless wrote: Anybody home? -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: WTB: Pentax 35mm 1.4x-S and possibly 35mm 2x-S rear converters
Actually my reading is that Boz says he thought it was rumor, but since he actually held a release product box with the dedicated hood, and the hood itself, is pretty sure that +/-5 exist as a released product, but he can't be 100% positive. A bit better than rumor but a bit less than beyond a reasonable doubt. Lucas Rijnders wrote: Op Fri, 18 Jan 2008 22:28:05 +0100 schreef P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: That's not what it says... It says the hood exists but the lens is only a rumour. That's pretty close to what I said, isn't it? It would be nice if Pentax would take this up again, and develop a DA 35/1,4 hood. A fast normal hood is missing in the line-up grin Lucas Rijnders wrote: Op Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:36:36 +0100 schreef Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 18/01/08, Cymen Vig, discombobulated, unleashed: Does anyone have a spare 35mm 1.4x-S rear converter? never mind that does anyone have a 35mm f1.4 :-) Leica, Canon, Minolta, Nikon... According to the KMP Pentax just made a hood for one ;-) -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Merc Museum 3
Cotty, I gather you like the Ultron? My rf is M3 but I only have the Summicron 35mm. I dream about getting something like the Ulltron. Of course CV is discontinuing the 15 mm Dreamsnore ...Wake up ...Oh Sh..Life is back. John Graves WA1JG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cotty wrote: There's a huge Merc dealership at the Brooklands complex just outside London where my son was having a driving lesson one Sunday. I wondered amongst the exhibits inside. This is the back end of a 600 limousine. I like back ends. http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/reportage/images/pic46.html R-D1 + CV 28mm Ultron 1.9 ISO 400 1/190sec @ about 5.6 Power Retouche mono conversion in CS -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Merc Museum 3
On 18/01/08, John Graves, discombobulated, unleashed: I gather you like the Ultron? My rf is M3 but I only have the Summicron 35mm. I dream about getting something like the Ulltron. Of course CV is discontinuing the 15 mm Dreamsnore ...Wake up ...Oh Sh..Life is back. LOL It's a lovely lens, and so *small* compared to monster SLR lenses. I imagine it is more like a Pentax Limited in this respect. Metal. Cost- effective compared to Summi glass. Next purchase the 50mm Nokton. I wouldn't mind the 50 mil Summicron but a mint version went here for about 700+ GBP recently. That's officially an ouch. I was looking at the back end of the Pentax A20mm the other day, and the front end of the camera. An adapter is available, but no RF, and to be honest it might be a bit big. I think I will take the dremel to it and use it on the 1DmII as a curio. The Ultrons are cheap, please take this as enablement...go buy an Ultron :-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: hello
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/18/2008 11:08:50 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anybody home? -- Scott Loveless === I'm here now, but going out later. Marnie :-) what she said -- (this is better than an unsubscribe thread :-) ) ann - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: hello
David J Brooks wrote: On Jan 18, 2008 2:04 PM, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody home? I went out, and now i'm back Dave me too ann -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: WTB: Pentax 35mm 1.4x-S and possibly 35mm 2x-S rear converters
Cotty wrote: On 18/01/08, Cymen Vig, discombobulated, unleashed: Does anyone have a spare 35mm 1.4x-S rear converter? never mind that does anyone have a 35mm f1.4 :-) Not for you. Butcher. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: hello
- Original Message - From: Scott Loveless Subject: hello Anybody home? I just got in. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - Merc Museum 3
There's a huge Merc dealership at the Brooklands complex just outside London where my son was having a driving lesson one Sunday. I wondered amongst the exhibits inside. This is the back end of a 600 limousine. I like back ends. http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/reportage/images/pic46.html R-D1 + CV 28mm Ultron 1.9 ISO 400 1/190sec @ about 5.6 Power Retouche mono conversion in CS -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Sort of. My first love.
Such grand and wonderful nostalgia. The picture adds depth and enhances the memory. Photography is a time machine of superlative quality. All those yesterdays preserved for memory to revel in. Thanks for posting it. :-) Godfrey On Jan 17, 2008, at 7:17 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Thirty-two years ago I packed a negative away in a big cardboard box and tried to forget it. I can look at it now without wishing I was back there. It's here: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6849463size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: hello
On Jan 18, 2008 2:04 PM, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody home? I went out, and now i'm back Dave -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: hello
No. Scott Loveless wrote: Anybody home? -- Trespassers will be violated. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO -- 3 [Fireless] BW
Those were the original colors. Most Coal burning main line engines burned coal, the dust and soot got everywhere and made it hard to keep them clean, so they were painted a utilitarian dull black. These little switchers were insulated steam bottles, (just loaded with asbestos), I expect every engine of their era would be nearly as garishly if the opportunity presented, (some of the painted Wood fired train engines were painted as true Victorians monstrosities). David J Brooks wrote: Well i prefer this one over the first, only because the colour scheme seemed ab it over bearing, even for a train.:-) Dave On Jan 18, 2008 2:33 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK so most people were underwhelmed by the little fireless steam switcher. So I decided to work with the problems in the image, and did a BW conversion. I lightened the mid tones and emphasized the Red channel first then converted using a the red filter option, then hit the converted image with the slightest amount of Gaussian Blur to try to replicate the feel of a IR photo. I think it does kind of look like that. http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%20%203firelessbw-ir.html Equipment as before. As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: best configuration of a Mac Pro for photo processing?
On Jan 17, 2008, at 11:13 PM, David Mann wrote: On Jan 18, 2008, at 6:34 PM, Amita Guha wrote: Thanks for the help, everyone! I think for now I'm going to go 8- core, single 500GB disk, 2GB RAM and take it from there. That sounds good. With Apple gear it tends to work out a _lot_ cheaper to buy a base system then upgrade yourself, even if you use good parts (which you should on a machine like that). It's a good starting point. I'd immediately add another 2G RAM after getting it home. Why starve such fast processors with barely enough RAM? I'm trying to convince myself to get a Macbook Air but I don't think I could put up with a glossy screen. It's about time the Macbook Pro had another update so I might wait see what happens with those. I'd been waiting for them to start using LED backlights but didn't realise that happened 6 months ago :) I'd buy a MacBook Air for mobility communications use, not for photo processing work. The lack of optical drive, FireWire, single USB port, etc, lack of RAM upgradability, etc, are all too limiting IMO for a general purpose system. I'll likely get whatever is the current MacBook Pro 15 later this year. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: hello
we woke at 7am at our Wiltshire Estate. lunched at noon at our Sandhurst Manor. tea at 4 at our Heathersby cottage. So, yes, we've been home all day. - Original Message - From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:04 PM Subject: hello Anybody home? -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - The Stand
- Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton Subject: PESO - The Stand A stand of trees right next to the coast. They grow just above the sea cliffs. Pentax K10D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 135mm ISO 200, 1/125 sec @ f/5.6, handheld http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_5612bw.htm This is a picture that wants a nice long toe for the shadows, and also a flat shoulder for the background. Unfortunately, it was shot with a small format digital rather than a big sheet of film. Seriously Bruce, I know you make money with the digital thing, but the pictures you show us deserve better than that. Your pictures deserve a Wisner. OTOH, that would be a hell of a long lens (600mm) on 4x5. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: hello
Are you at home? Tim Typo - Original Message - From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 2:04 PM Subject: hello Anybody home? -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Merc Museum 3
On 18/01/08, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed: Cotty: The Mercedes Bengal Tiger Limo! Very cool shot. I love pics of dramatic lines such. Just out of interest, there's a bit of a smudge on the back windshield: is that reflection? smudge? what? Cheers, Christine Thank you Christine. Much appreciated. It's a darker cloud reflected in the sky. I wondered about it, but c'est la vie unh :-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Merc Museum 3
Cotty: The Mercedes Bengal Tiger Limo! Very cool shot. I love pics of dramatic lines such. Just out of interest, there's a bit of a smudge on the back windshield: is that reflection? smudge? what? Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 2:33 PM Subject: PESO - Merc Museum 3 There's a huge Merc dealership at the Brooklands complex just outside London where my son was having a driving lesson one Sunday. I wondered amongst the exhibits inside. This is the back end of a 600 limousine. I like back ends. http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/reportage/images/pic46.html R-D1 + CV 28mm Ultron 1.9 ISO 400 1/190sec @ about 5.6 Power Retouche mono conversion in CS -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Merc Museum 3
On 18/01/08, Lucas Rijnders, discombobulated, unleashed: Very cool shot. Thanks. CAD software can do a trick like this, to check whether all surfaces are nice and smooth. As you can see the rear window is, and the boot isn't. The designer of the 600 did not have CAD, of course ;-) Probably beaten by hand. Note the splotch on the window. Actually a darker piece of cloud. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Dave's lucky shot
Oh...:-) Walt On 1/18/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was speaking photographically from the William Tell/Robin Hood standpoint... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Macro Setup
Hi Ya'll, Haven't really been active lately but have found this list very helpful in the past. One of the things I absolutely love about my wee point-and-shoot is the macro mode but sometimes I'm without the PnS so I'm looking for suggestions on a macro kit for the DSLR. My current DSLR kit is a K10D, both DA* zooms, DA 70 limited and the DA 40 limited (soon to be replaced with the 21). Anyway, I've been thinking of getting the FA 50/1.4 and a bellows so that I can start taking some macro shots with the big cam. One of the reasons I like this idea is that this kit would be dual purpose. The 50/1.4 seems like it would work well for macro *and* it would be nice to have at least one fast lens in the kit. However, I'd love to hear some other suggestions. I've noticed a 100 f/4 seems to be a popular choice so I'd love to hear opinions on that lens. I'd also like to hear what some have to say about lighting products as well. Basically, I'm about to invest and would like to feel confident that I'm making the right choices. Thanks in advance, -jon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO:...(was PESO: Maja)
Nice shot, good eye. -- Bruce Friday, January 18, 2008, 4:37:39 PM, you wrote: BM Timber's use of the Takumar (K-mount) 135/2.5 inspired me to take mine BM out for a walk... BM http://www.bong.uni.cc/peso/2008-04.htm BM Bong BM -- BM Bong Manayon BM http://www.bong.uni.cc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - The Stand
Hey! I like the mood...and the trees did not get lost in the forest or you can see the forest despite the trees...something like that... Well done :-D On Jan 19, 2008 8:40 AM, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A stand of trees right next to the coast. They grow just above the sea cliffs. Pentax K10D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 135mm ISO 200, 1/125 sec @ f/5.6, handheld http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_5612bw.htm Comments welcome -- Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Bong Manayon http://www.bong.uni.cc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Ford claims ownership of images
On Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 10:35:55AM +, Cotty wrote: On 18/01/08, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed: However, road tax is now based on emissions, so my wife's 1.4 diesel costs ?35 per year compared to my 1.8 at (whimper) ?180. My Land Rover @ ?240 per year. I belive that by the time I got rid of it I was paying more for the personalized plates on the car ($65/year, IIRC) than for registration on the Mustang. With a 5.0L V8 (15mpg, more or less), and 20-year-old emission control technology that only just met the California standards, that car would probably be prohibitively expensive to operate in the UK. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: hello
Dave's not here. [/Chong] - Original Message - From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 2:04 PM Subject: hello Anybody home? -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.6/1231 - Release Date: 1/18/2008 11:55 AM -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: hello
Just us chickens:-) Walt On 1/18/08, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody home? -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: WTB: Pentax 35mm 1.4x-S and possibly 35mm 2x-S rear converters
Op Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:36:36 +0100 schreef Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 18/01/08, Cymen Vig, discombobulated, unleashed: Does anyone have a spare 35mm 1.4x-S rear converter? never mind that does anyone have a 35mm f1.4 :-) Leica, Canon, Minolta, Nikon... According to the KMP Pentax just made a hood for one ;-) -- Ciao, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: WTB: Pentax 35mm 1.4x-S and possibly 35mm 2x-S rear converters
Scott Loveless wrote: Cotty wrote: On 18/01/08, Cymen Vig, discombobulated, unleashed: Does anyone have a spare 35mm 1.4x-S rear converter? never mind that does anyone have a 35mm f1.4 :-) Not for you. Butcher. http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/lenses/primes/wide-angle/M35f1.4.html Drool -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Merc Museum 3
Op Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:33:45 +0100 schreef Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There's a huge Merc dealership at the Brooklands complex just outside London where my son was having a driving lesson one Sunday. I wondered amongst the exhibits inside. This is the back end of a 600 limousine. I like back ends. http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/reportage/images/pic46.html R-D1 + CV 28mm Ultron 1.9 ISO 400 1/190sec @ about 5.6 Power Retouche mono conversion in CS Very cool shot. CAD software can do a trick like this, to check whether all surfaces are nice and smooth. As you can see the rear window is, and the boot isn't. The designer of the 600 did not have CAD, of course ;-) -- Ciao, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: WTB: Pentax 35mm 1.4x-S and possibly 35mm 2x-S rear converters
On 18/01/08, Cymen Vig, discombobulated, unleashed: Does anyone have a spare 35mm 1.4x-S rear converter? never mind that does anyone have a 35mm f1.4 :-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Merc Museum 3
- Original Message - From: Cotty Subject: PESO - Merc Museum 3 I like back ends. The British do seem to have a peculiar fascination for them. EB -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: hello
Scott Loveless wrote: Anybody home? Shouldn't be... ! G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO -- 3 [Fireless] BW
Good to know, thanks Dave On Jan 18, 2008 2:19 PM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those were the original colors. Most Coal burning main line engines burned coal, the dust and soot got everywhere and made it hard to keep them clean, so they were painted a utilitarian dull black. These little switchers were insulated steam bottles, (just loaded with asbestos), I expect every engine of their era would be nearly as garishly if the opportunity presented, (some of the painted Wood fired train engines were painted as true Victorians monstrosities). David J Brooks wrote: Well i prefer this one over the first, only because the colour scheme seemed ab it over bearing, even for a train.:-) Dave On Jan 18, 2008 2:33 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK so most people were underwhelmed by the little fireless steam switcher. So I decided to work with the problems in the image, and did a BW conversion. I lightened the mid tones and emphasized the Red channel first then converted using a the red filter option, then hit the converted image with the slightest amount of Gaussian Blur to try to replicate the feel of a IR photo. I think it does kind of look like that. http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%20%203firelessbw-ir.html Equipment as before. As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: hello
Door's open - come on in... Scott Loveless wrote: Anybody home? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - The Stand
Would you give me some ideas of exactly what kind of setup I would be looking for? Such as body, lenses, tripod, backs, etc - I really know nothing about large format - the biggest I have shot is 67. -- Thanks, Bruce Friday, January 18, 2008, 6:22:22 PM, you wrote: WR - Original Message - WR From: Bruce Dayton WR Subject: PESO - The Stand A stand of trees right next to the coast. They grow just above the sea cliffs. Pentax K10D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 135mm ISO 200, 1/125 sec @ f/5.6, handheld http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_5612bw.htm WR This is a picture that wants a nice long toe for the shadows, and also a WR flat shoulder for the background. WR Unfortunately, it was shot with a small format digital rather than a big WR sheet of film. WR Seriously Bruce, I know you make money with the digital thing, but the WR pictures you show us deserve better than that. WR Your pictures deserve a Wisner. WR OTOH, that would be a hell of a long lens (600mm) on 4x5. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax sighting
On Jan 18, 2008 9:00 AM, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stan Halpin wrote: So the K1000 is officially confirmed to be prehistoric? What does that make the Spotmatic? Primordial! Some bronzing on the base, age Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DA* 60-250 mm F4
You all have probably gone over this already but, what's up with the long DA*? Does anyone know when this lens will be available? Regards, -Jon - Pentax is scheduled to make a major announcement on January 25. The talk is all of the new cameras, but we expect that they should also clarify the release schedule for at least some of the planned telephoto lenses. The latest word I had (in Nov) was that the 60-250 would be announced in December, and ship in January. This January. That now seems unlikely (since it wasn't announced last month), but I think we need to wait to see what is announced on the 25th. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Sort of. My first love.
It's here: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6849463size=lg cool shot! (even if it isn't yours). nice story. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
hello
Anybody home? -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: hello
Why, yes! How did you know? From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/01/18 Fri PM 07:04:43 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: hello Anybody home? -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
WTB: Pentax 35mm 1.4x-S and possibly 35mm 2x-S rear converters
Does anyone have a spare 35mm 1.4x-S rear converter? I'd also eventually be interested in the 2x-S. I'd be using these with the A* 300/4. On a side note, I've read a lot of varied reviews of the T6-2X which is apparently the predecessor of the 2x-S. It differs both optically and by lack of the A contacts. Has anyone compared the 2x-S and the T6-2X on digital? There is a lot of information in the archive and some of the complaints mention softer corners but I wonder how this translates to digital. Also, some claim that optically the two are identical or close to it. Cymen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Ford claims ownership of images
We have used Nokean (Suomi Finland) for several winters now on our vehicles and are suitably impressed with their performance over other brands we have tried. Tony Kekalos Traverse City MI On Jan 18, 2008 4:09 PM, Ken Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a brand of tire (Bridgestone Blizzacks) available in the U.S. that are specially formulated for improved performance in snow/ice conditions. Not as good as studs, but definitely an improvement over any non studded tire. I put a set on my son's 4X2 Ranger pickup the improvement in wet/snow/ice traction was very noticeable. The bad news was that like studded tires, their effectiveness fell off with wear, but used only in winter, their effectiveness was noticeable for several years, after which they were no worse than regular M+S tires. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Toralf Lund [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Ford claims ownership of images Antti-Pekka Virjonen wrote: [ ... ] W Banning the studs here would be a mass murder. We know quite well how to drive in bad conditions but I think driving without studded tires can be compared to planning a suicide ;-). I've used studless tires for several winters now, and found that they are quite good. New studded tires are better on hard ice, but once you've used them a bit, and the studs are starting to get worn down, I'm no longer so sure. And which is safer is also a matter of how you drive. Often when this discussion comes up, it strikes me that the proponents of studded tires have way too much confidence in the studs, so that they would probably be safer without them just because they would drive more carefully. Remember that modern studless winter tires are not just studded tires without the studs; they have a completely different rubber mixture etc. - T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO - The Stand
That's a lovely shot - very nice. -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Dayton Sent: 19 January 2008 00:41 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO - The Stand A stand of trees right next to the coast. They grow just above the sea cliffs. Pentax K10D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 135mm ISO 200, 1/125 sec @ f/5.6, handheld http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_5612bw.htm Comments welcome -- Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: hello
Since you woke me up early, I ended up going to work earlier. Bloody Saturday mornings Cheers, Dave On Jan 19, 2008 6:37 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go away, I'm trying to sleep. Cheers, Dave On Jan 19, 2008 4:04 AM, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody home? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Ford claims ownership of images
There is a brand of tire (Bridgestone Blizzacks) available in the U.S. that are specially formulated for improved performance in snow/ice conditions. Not as good as studs, but definitely an improvement over any non studded tire. I put a set on my son's 4X2 Ranger pickup the improvement in wet/snow/ice traction was very noticeable. The bad news was that like studded tires, their effectiveness fell off with wear, but used only in winter, their effectiveness was noticeable for several years, after which they were no worse than regular M+S tires. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Toralf Lund [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Ford claims ownership of images Antti-Pekka Virjonen wrote: [ ... ] W Banning the studs here would be a mass murder. We know quite well how to drive in bad conditions but I think driving without studded tires can be compared to planning a suicide ;-). I've used studless tires for several winters now, and found that they are quite good. New studded tires are better on hard ice, but once you've used them a bit, and the studs are starting to get worn down, I'm no longer so sure. And which is safer is also a matter of how you drive. Often when this discussion comes up, it strikes me that the proponents of studded tires have way too much confidence in the studs, so that they would probably be safer without them just because they would drive more carefully. Remember that modern studless winter tires are not just studded tires without the studs; they have a completely different rubber mixture etc. - T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - The Stand
Bruce, that is lovely. Canopy, lighting, trunks, background--it's just great. I have to sigh and wonder along with Wheatfield William, though, what this would look like with BW MF or LF... Rick --- Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A stand of trees right next to the coast. They grow just above the sea cliffs. Pentax K10D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 135mm ISO 200, 1/125 sec @ f/5.6, handheld http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_5612bw.htm Comments welcome -- Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: WTB: Pentax 35mm 1.4x-S and possibly 35mm 2x-S rear converters
Op Fri, 18 Jan 2008 22:28:05 +0100 schreef P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: That's not what it says... It says the hood exists but the lens is only a rumour. That's pretty close to what I said, isn't it? It would be nice if Pentax would take this up again, and develop a DA 35/1,4 hood. A fast normal hood is missing in the line-up grin Lucas Rijnders wrote: Op Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:36:36 +0100 schreef Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 18/01/08, Cymen Vig, discombobulated, unleashed: Does anyone have a spare 35mm 1.4x-S rear converter? never mind that does anyone have a 35mm f1.4 :-) Leica, Canon, Minolta, Nikon... According to the KMP Pentax just made a hood for one ;-) -- Ciao, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: hello
Go away, I'm trying to sleep. Cheers, Dave On Jan 19, 2008 4:04 AM, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody home? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - The Stand
Love the idea of this type of shot. Well seen and exposed. It's actually a shame that there wasn't (I assume) a way to include the base of all the trees on a consistent plane, relative to the bottom of the frame. While it may appear to have at least been possible, I would imagine your eye would have insisted you give it your best effort. The image stands on its own very well, Bruce. Jack --- Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A stand of trees right next to the coast. They grow just above the sea cliffs. Pentax K10D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 135mm ISO 200, 1/125 sec @ f/5.6, handheld http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_5612bw.htm Comments welcome -- Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO:...(was PESO: Maja)
Bong: I really like your shot subject. But I do have one question: why did you shoot it from the angle you did? I ask this because what's of interest to me in the shot is the color patterns shapes. The spokes of the wheel have some very interesting colors patterns. Why not shoot from an angle that shows them off--or rather shows them off more than in the angle you chose? Like a straight-on angle and from down low. I ask this question in earnest and as a novice photographer. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Bong Manayon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 6:37 PM Subject: PESO:...(was PESO: Maja) Timber's use of the Takumar (K-mount) 135/2.5 inspired me to take mine out for a walk... http://www.bong.uni.cc/peso/2008-04.htm Bong -- Bong Manayon http://www.bong.uni.cc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - The Stand
Bruce: This is such a lovely shot. It's one that I'd love to see in print. You really did a great job had the good eye to see the opportunity. Well done! Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 6:40 PM Subject: PESO - The Stand A stand of trees right next to the coast. They grow just above the sea cliffs. Pentax K10D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 135mm ISO 200, 1/125 sec @ f/5.6, handheld http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_5612bw.htm Comments welcome -- Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - The Stand
Bruce, I think that image with a less complicated backround would be stunning. As posted its confusing. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO - The Stand A stand of trees right next to the coast. They grow just above the sea cliffs. Pentax K10D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 135mm ISO 200, 1/125 sec @ f/5.6, handheld http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_5612bw.htm Comments welcome -- Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
