Re: Advice for Applying Grain
This is the way I do in in PS. 1. Add a new layer and fill it with 50% gray (RGB 128,128,128) Set the layer blend mode to overlay 2. Use Filter/Noise/Add Noise Tick Gaussian + Monochromatic. 3. Adjust noise amount to taste I usually end up with anything between 0.5% to 15%. This naturally depends on the image. 4. Adjust the layer opacity to fine tune the effect. I Sometimes I apply a bit of unsharp mask to the noise layer but it does not always give a pleasing result. Hope this helps Regards Patrick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO: Lunch Break (QTVR Pano)
It was in the early-mid 1930s. Before she made Day of Victory, Triumph of the Will etc. she made Alpine melodramas such as The Blue Light. She was heavily into filters special film stocks to achieve the other-worldly look in those films and she developed day-for-night out of that so that she and the other actors could climb safely but have the film look like night. Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling Sent: 25 February 2008 21:43 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO: Lunch Break (QTVR Pano) When was that, just curious because I've seen some old B oaters, maybe from the mid 1930s where they were obviously using that technique but not getting the balance exactly right. Bob W wrote: Interesting factoid: Leni Riefenstahl invented day-for0night shooting. An old movie trick I read about somewhere was to underexpose using a polarizing filter and I think it was a red filter to simulate moonlight on a bright sunny day. (This was of course using BW film). David Savage wrote: G'day All, Hope this finds you warm dry. (~390kb): http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/0038.mov ;-) It's kinda funky what the polariser did. Almost looks like night time to me. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Advice for Applying Grain
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Christine Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, I'd be grateful for just a tip or two. Shoot film. :-D Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO: Lunch Break (QTVR Pano)
It was in the early-mid 1930s. Before she made Day of Victory, I mean, of course, Day of Freedom, and Victory of Faith... Or was it Victory of Freedom, Day of Faith. Or Triumph of Victory. Day of the Will? Freedom of the Will? No, certainly not that. Whatever. Bob -Original Message- From: Bob W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 February 2008 08:17 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: PESO: Lunch Break (QTVR Pano) It was in the early-mid 1930s. Before she made Day of Victory, Triumph of the Will etc. she made Alpine melodramas such as The Blue Light. She was heavily into filters special film stocks to achieve the other-worldly look in those films and she developed day-for-night out of that so that she and the other actors could climb safely but have the film look like night. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Need info on K10D AF vs. MZ-S
On 25/02/08, Stan Halpin, discombobulated, unleashed: All other things equal, I would probably wait for prices to come down when they announce the next camera (and use some frequent-flyer miles to go watch Cotty do his thing with his hat.) Stan, it's worrying that your government has so many dreamers working for it !! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO Belinda Portraits
From: Christine Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED] It really was just a bit of dress-up play for two women in their late 40s. That's Bill and Cotty's trousers ruined. You have to be more careful, Christine. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
re: RE: GESO - Serbian Demonstration
I think Serbs are a victims of Russian pro-Slavic propaganda and it's known fact that everyone non-slavic is a fascists, British, Germans, Kosovo Albanians, Americans or Estonians are all Nazis to Slavic crowd without exceptions. This is so demeaning and sad but hey - Kosovo is free anyway. Goodbye Russia. I think we should pay less attention to last plights of agonizing post-soviet Russian empire and just mid our own business. I wish wonderful hump day to everyone in south-east Asia and pacific ocean. -- K100D Super, DA10-17mm, DA16-45mm, DA50-200mm, Dörr DStudio strobes roman.blakout.net http://roman.blakout.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D back focus
Anthony Farr escribió: The early Pentax DSLRs had IR cutoff filters in front of their imaging sensors that nevertheless transmitted enough near IR light to make a useful IR exposure with an R-72 or similar filter. Can you assert that the IR cutoff filter over the AF sensor is more absolute in its prohibition of IR light than the filter above the imager? If not, my suspicion about IR contamination of the AF system is not answered. Only camera manufacturers can answer those questions, unless there is a place where you can find the specifications of the IR filter used in the AF modules. I haven't found any real problems with the autofocus lenses I have or had in my Pentax AF bodies, though. Carlos -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Australia Trip -- New Lens
From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/02/25 Mon PM 09:59:32 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Australia Trip -- New Lens On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 4:22 PM, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you gain any virtual dignity? With Cesar? Dignity? Surely you jest! Of course. But please don't call me Surely. The cormorants are confused enough. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D in stock at BH
My D is up on ebay, so I have to buy now. I need a backup. And I think the price of *istD cameras may fall in the next couple of months at least as much as that of the K20D. I think it will be long past June before the K20D is cheaper. Paul On Feb 25, 2008, at 11:37 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: You guys are not helping me at all... I need models of patience, not impulsiveness! stan On Feb 25, 2008, at 10:23 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: I'll bet that I could have saved $200 by waiting until June, but I went ahead with Calumet and it's in my hands now. I should have been more patient as I paid state sales tax of 7%. Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 9:11 PM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home? A=ShowProductis=REGQ=O=sku=542060 Mine is on its way. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Advice for Applying Grain
I don't know about applying grain, but I like this shot a lot. And I would go back to RAW and pull down the highlights. You're getting some burn out in the brighter parts of the face. You can do that without deepening the shadows a lot if you work the conversion. Paul On Feb 26, 2008, at 12:38 AM, Christine Aguila wrote: Hi Everyone: I've been fooling around with applying grain, but I really don't know what I'm doing. I don't have any guiding principles to fall back on. I just sort of click, add noise, adjust amounts, but I don't feel thoughtful about my attempts. This is an Eye Crop. I kind of like it, but I feel like I got to this point accidently. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6991527size=lg This is an informal portrait (BTW, When I open this photo up in Photoshop Elements 5, it looks a lot more grainer.). http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6991553 I suspect working with PSE5 also presents some limitations as opposed to working in the full Photoshop program. Anyway, I'd be grateful for just a tip or two. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: As per Mark Roberts request
It appears to be focused on the wall. On Feb 26, 2008, at 2:21 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: Nope, Bill, you're wrong. You see, camera most probably focused on my belly which I sensibly left out of the final crop. And the aperture was rather wide for lack of light. ;-). On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 7:27 AM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd be testing for back focus on that lens, there Boris. William Robb -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: As per Mark Roberts request
Paul, you're too serious. I was kidding, hence the smiley. The photo was made quickly by my wife... On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears to be focused on the wall. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2008 - 13 - GDG
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: http://homepage.mac.com/godders/13-tensions.jpg I really like that one Godfrey! Interesting use of the square format = you seem to be doing a bit of that lately. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Woo Hoo, it's here
Scott, This is a good thing! Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 11:13 PM, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob Sullivan wrote: UPS man brought the K20D from Calumet Photo this afternoon...battery is charging. Yeah, well, the UPS man is bringing me a little enablement tomorrow. So there. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: Air Here
G'day All, One from the road(house) (~130kb): http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2033/2293131299_af22de18e3_o.jpg Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Lunch Break (QTVR Pano)
Dave, Averages out OK... Regards, BobS. On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 11:56 PM, David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 25, 2008, at 9:21 PM, David Savage wrote: Hope this finds you warm dry. (~390kb): Oh shut up: it reached 30 degrees C in my office today :( I'd be tempted to go to WA sometime if it wasn't hours of flying over ocean followed by hours of flying over desert... - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Firebird
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 11:49 PM, Christine Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul: You know your car shots are really terrific when they greatly appeal to a woman (me) who has never much cared about cars. In fact, I bought by very 1st new car just this past May 2007 at the age of 48. I did own a motorcycle once. I really enjoyed riding that, but then I got domestic. Anyway, your car photography makes cars look fun. Cheers, Christine http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6978614size=lg Missed the original post of this one. I love it, Paul. Looks like the rear tire is mashed down a bit, maybe even a bit wrinkled, from the acceleration! When I was a kid, I really really wanted a Firebird. Way more than a Camaro (even though they were very similar cars). And I wanted a convertible. Pretty much just like this one. Memories (of something I never got)! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Advice for Applying Grain
I actually have a grain sample, can't remember where I got it, I usually create a second layer paste it into that and adjust the blending, opacity and fill, sometimes curves on just that layer to get the grain effect I'm looking for. It's not always effective but works well other times. Done that way you can always revert to the original image and not lose any other adjustments made afterward by simply deleting the grain layer. Then again I'm not sure if PSE5 supports layers. Christine Aguila wrote: Hi Everyone: I've been fooling around with applying grain, but I really don't know what I'm doing. I don't have any guiding principles to fall back on. I just sort of click, add noise, adjust amounts, but I don't feel thoughtful about my attempts. This is an Eye Crop. I kind of like it, but I feel like I got to this point accidently. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6991527size=lg This is an informal portrait (BTW, When I open this photo up in Photoshop Elements 5, it looks a lot more grainer.). http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6991553 I suspect working with PSE5 also presents some limitations as opposed to working in the full Photoshop program. Anyway, I'd be grateful for just a tip or two. Cheers, Christine -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2008 - 13 - GDG
Godfrey DiGiorgi escribió: http://homepage.mac.com/godders/13-tensions.jpg Tensions - Ground Signs 2008 Olympus E-1 + ZD 11-22mm f/2.8-3.5 ISO 400 @ f/7.1 @ 1/60 sec, fl=19mm Comments and critique always appreciated. enjoy Godfrey Good one. I like it a lot, your black and white conversions rock, Godfrey. Carlos -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Air Here
David Savage wrote: G'day All, One from the road(house) (~130kb): http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2033/2293131299_af22de18e3_o.jpg Cheers, Dave Har -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - Rosie by the Window
My eldest daughter's cat Rosamund, enjoying some warming sunrays on a coolish day: http://tinyurl.com/2adhtx http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/R8QTOkgqgpI/Bkw/50nFJ5jkzZk/s1600-h/feb_26_08.jpg Doing a bit of a faux IR thing. Comments always welcome. Thanks! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Air Here
Good one. Not only is it a fun sign pic, it's a nice composition with great color. Paul -- Original message -- From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] G'day All, One from the road(house) (~130kb): http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2033/2293131299_af22de18e3_o.jpg Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Air Here
LoL.. There is no designated place for that in this hemisphere. Jack --- David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day All, One from the road(house) (~130kb): http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2033/2293131299_af22de18e3_o.jpg Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Firebird
Thanks Frank. Glad it brought back some good memories. I was a Pontiac fan as a teenager as well. You mightremember that in the early sixties, they dominated NASCAR for a while. And Mickey Thompson went 415 mph at Bonneville with his Pontiac-powered Challenger streamliner. I wanted a 67 GTO with the same color scheme as this Firebird. A guy I knew had one. I hated him. I did have a Pontiac powered 34 Ford and later a little dragster with a Pontiac engine. Couldn't keep head gaskets in the dragster motor on stiff doses of nitromethane because Pontiac engines had only ten head bolts. That caused me to fall out of love:-). (Although on one of the rare occassions that the head gaskets stayed where they belong, Iit went 187 mph in 8.65 seconds. Not bad for a normally aspirated car at the time.) Paul -- Original message -- From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 11:49 PM, Christine Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul: You know your car shots are really terrific when they greatly appeal to a woman (me) who has never much cared about cars. In fact, I bought by very 1st new car just this past May 2007 at the age of 48. I did own a motorcycle once. I really enjoyed riding that, but then I got domestic. Anyway, your car photography makes cars look fun. Cheers, Christine http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6978614size=lg Missed the original post of this one. I love it, Paul. Looks like the rear tire is mashed down a bit, maybe even a bit wrinkled, from the acceleration! When I was a kid, I really really wanted a Firebird. Way more than a Camaro (even though they were very similar cars). And I wanted a convertible. Pretty much just like this one. Memories (of something I never got)! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
My ebay auctions
I have a few things up on ebay: an *istD, BG-1D grip, Sigma 500 super flash, a Vivitar Series 1 70-210/3.5 (version 1), and, perhaps best of all, an M 35/2. I was going to offer them here first, but time is short. http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpnstenquist Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Photo Assistant
Hi Paul, you mean Pentax Remote Assistant 3, don't you? I do use it in combination with IR remote quite much when shooting relatively similar products as series. I just finished shooting of about 100 door handles. Place the product, press the button on remote and see the result at large screen (32 TV set placed overhead the camera or laptop nearby me). Improve the placement and repeat if necessary... I work alone and otherwise I should run to camera and back every time. Saves a lots of my time. Hopefully K20D LiveView will make those, normally quite annoying, works even easier. BR, Margus Paul Stenquist wrote: I used the latest version of this software today with the K10D. I had previously used the early version with the D. It was okay, and helpful when I had clients in the studio. But it slowed me down. The new version is much better. You can shoot relatively quickly. ( I just kept shooting, although I certainly wasn't doing rapid bursts.) The screen info that appears on the computer monitor is very complete. Basically it provides all the shooting parameters. And the save function takes about ten seconds per shot with USB 2 on my older G4 Mac dual 1.25. Photo Assistant is now useful. I didn't really need itt today. I was just shooting some things for ebay sales, but I wanted to see how well it worked for the next time I do need it. It didn't slow me down. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Air Here
Hello David, Looks like one for AnnSan. Rather amusing... -- Best regards, Bruce Tuesday, February 26, 2008, 5:04:53 AM, you wrote: DS G'day All, DS One from the road(house) (~130kb): DS http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2033/2293131299_af22de18e3_o.jpg DS Cheers, DS Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Firebird
Hello Frank, My last 2 years of high school I had a 1967 Firebird Formula 400 - It was red. It was very fun and fast! Big problem was gas. With a Holley 4 barrel carb and a 400 cubic inch engine, that 'fun' got about 4 miles per gallon of gas. On top of that, all my speeding tickets to date, were with that car. Ahh...the memories grin -- Best regards, Bruce Tuesday, February 26, 2008, 5:48:26 AM, you wrote: ft Missed the original post of this one. ft I love it, Paul. Looks like the rear tire is mashed down a bit, maybe ft even a bit wrinkled, from the acceleration! ft When I was a kid, I really really wanted a Firebird. Way more than a ft Camaro (even though they were very similar cars). And I wanted a ft convertible. Pretty much just like this one. ft Memories (of something I never got)! ft cheers, ft frank ft -- ft Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2008 - 13 - GDG
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: http://homepage.mac.com/godders/13-tensions.jpg Tensions - Ground Signs 2008 Olympus E-1 + ZD 11-22mm f/2.8-3.5 ISO 400 @ f/7.1 @ 1/60 sec, fl=19mm Comments and critique always appreciated. enjoy Godfrey Not a big fan of the ground signs series, but I really like this one. Kind of a Zen feeling. Love the BW rendering as well, but you always seem to do the conversions really well. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Rosie by the Window
On Feb 26, 2008, at 5:59 AM, frank theriault wrote: My eldest daughter's cat Rosamund, enjoying some warming sunrays on a coolish day: http://tinyurl.com/2adhtx http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/R8QTOkgqgpI/Bkw/ 50nFJ5jkzZk/s1600-h/feb_26_08.jpg Doing a bit of a faux IR thing. While I like the overall aesthetic presented here, if I didn't know that was a cat by the door I might not see it. The cat's features are obscured a little too much by the high contrast and grain ... you need to at least open up her shadow values a little bit. Not sure what the 'faux IR' reference is in relation to this picture ... there's nothing in it that seems particularly IR-like. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
fwd: Effort Made To Restore Photography's Credibility
I thought this article published by Anick Jesdanun of the Associated Press an interesting read. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23342630/ Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: fwd: Effort Made To Restore Photography's Credibility
Interesting, as far as it goes. And relevant in regard to journalism and crime photography. I think your title misleads a bit. The article speaks of restoring the credibility of a photograph -- that is, developing a method of determining that a photo hasn't been altered when that is important. It says nothing about restoring photography's credibility. But I suspect that distinction was inadvertent on your part. Paul -- Original message -- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] I thought this article published by Anick Jesdanun of the Associated Press an interesting read. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23342630/ Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: fwd: Effort Made To Restore Photography's Credibility
This reminds me that I recently saw a very nice picture taken bya friend who is a great amateur nature photographer. It showed a stork flying with one of those supermarket plastic bags hooked in one leg. The bag was inflated by the air, it was sunset time (gret light), the supermarket brand was perfectly visible...a great picture !!... ...10-20 years ago, I am afraid. Today, at least half of the people looking at it will think: Photoshop BTW, he never does any kind of cloning in his pictures. - Mensaje original De: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: SeePhoto Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]; PDML List PDML@pdml.net Enviado: martes, 26 de febrero, 2008 18:20:25 Asunto: fwd: Effort Made To Restore Photography's Credibility I thought this article published by Anick Jesdanun of the Associated Press an interesting read. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23342630/ Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. __ ¿Con Mascota por primera vez? Sé un mejor Amigo. Entra en Yahoo! Respuestas http://es.answers.yahoo.com/info/welcome -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Effort Made To Restore Photography's Credibility
My subject line was the headline of the article as presented, Paul. I did not intend it to mean anything other than to identify the piece as it was published on MSNBC.com. Of course, it's a bit sensationalist ... as are most headlines in this horrid infotainment world of marketing pap and spin we live in today. ;-) Godfrey On Feb 26, 2008, at 9:50 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting, as far as it goes. And relevant in regard to journalism and crime photography. I think your title misleads a bit. The article speaks of restoring the credibility of a photograph -- that is, developing a method of determining that a photo hasn't been altered when that is important. It says nothing about restoring photography's credibility. But I suspect that distinction was inadvertent on your part. Paul -- Original message -- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] I thought this article published by Anick Jesdanun of the Associated Press an interesting read. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23342630/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Today :D
On Feb 24, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Timber wrote: Today I was at the riverside of Danube ... So a few duck shots with the Tair: http://www.pbase.com/timbercode/image/93375971 http://www.pbase.com/timbercode/image/93375972 http://www.pbase.com/timbercode/image/93375973 http://www.pbase.com/timbercode/image/93375970 Nice duck shots. Second one seems a touch oversharpened. And 2 shots from the town called Szentendre (with the kit lens): http://www.pbase.com/timbercode/image/93375974 http://www.pbase.com/timbercode/image/93375975 I particularly like the first of these two. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why I like this list
I agree with everything said here. Mark Twain said (and I paraphrase) intelligence without a generous heart is poverty. This list is smart AND generous--a very impressive combination, and one to be proud of. Cheers, Christine P.S. I very much like the mischief playfulness of the list as well. - Original Message - From: Derby Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 4:34 AM Subject: Why I like this list I've been having dalliances with a few other photo lists lately (new camera systems you know). Thought I'd just mention why I love it here. You guys here love a good photo. Up to a point, equipment debates are interesting (and I'm as guilty as any other), but once you spend more time niggling about l/mm, corner sharpness, CA, noise levels, fpm and alike, instead of taking piccies, it gets dull quickly. The collegial feel, the classlessness, the willingness to help the just-starting-out...so rare in the outside world. In the end, connecting with others is really the aim of the game in the end, isn't it? I don't comment on all the photos that come across the list, but it doesn't mean I don't appreciate them. PESOs, PAWs, GESOs, keep 'em coming. Forgive me for straying. D -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D back focus
On Feb 25, 2008, at 6:29 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Steve Desjardins Subject: Re: K20D back focus I've never really noticed any back/front focusing issues, but you folks are making me paranoid. Is there a good kind of shot for testing this? I'm thinking of using the 50 1.4 and 135 2.8, wide open, to take a portrait and using the central sensor to focus on one eye? Will this be a good indicator or would other conditions be better? Use the widest angle lens you have, and focus on a ruler or some such at a 45º angle from the camera. Here, a web referal with instructions, and a handy dandy chart you can download. http://focustestchart.com/chart.html William Robb Thanks- Now I can get all geeky and anal with autofocusing! With one exception, I can track my focus misadventures back to myself. The one exception was a Nikon 50mm lens I was adapting to the Canon. Waving hands were in focus, instead of faces. The lens was sent off to the local camera guy, who said there was no trouble with the lens. No adjustments, no charge. Sure enough, it worked correctly when I got it back. Another case of repairman magic. Cheers Mike -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: fwd: Effort Made To Restore Photography's Credibility
Photographs have never had integrity. Photographers have integrity. You can pick the angle and location for your shot to tell a story as you see it, then your editor can crop it to change it their bias and still not ever have manipulated the shot. The fact that we can now clone realistic faeries or flying saucers into our pictures or turn bystanders into thriller style zombies to tell absolute lies hasn't changed the basic premise. The problem with the technological solutions is that they can always go wrong. If there's no accounting for transmission error, (say a bit or two or three gets flipped), then suddenly the image has been altered, even if no actual change is made to the viewed image or actual intent to change it has been made. If there's some tolerance for this type of thing then a bright guy will figure out a metric to modify photos and keep within the envelope. A more complex system might or might not take a little longer. What it will always come down to is can you trust your source or not. Once a source has proven itself to be untrustworthy gaining back that trust is very difficult. Hum, maybe that's why AP is carrying this story... Jaume Lahuerta wrote: This reminds me that I recently saw a very nice picture taken bya friend who is a great amateur nature photographer. It showed a stork flying with one of those supermarket plastic bags hooked in one leg. The bag was inflated by the air, it was sunset time (gret light), the supermarket brand was perfectly visible...a great picture !!... ...10-20 years ago, I am afraid. Today, at least half of the people looking at it will think: Photoshop BTW, he never does any kind of cloning in his pictures. - Mensaje original De: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: SeePhoto Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]; PDML List PDML@pdml.net Enviado: martes, 26 de febrero, 2008 18:20:25 Asunto: fwd: Effort Made To Restore Photography's Credibility I thought this article published by Anick Jesdanun of the Associated Press an interesting read. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23342630/ Godfrey -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Effort Made To Restore Photography's Credibility
My apologies. You're right of course. That is the headline of the article. I read only the body copy. It's interesting in that headlines are frequently written by someone other than the author. Again, my mistake. (Slapping self: Wake up!) Paul -- Original message -- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] My subject line was the headline of the article as presented, Paul. I did not intend it to mean anything other than to identify the piece as it was published on MSNBC.com. Of course, it's a bit sensationalist ... as are most headlines in this horrid infotainment world of marketing pap and spin we live in today. ;-) Godfrey On Feb 26, 2008, at 9:50 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting, as far as it goes. And relevant in regard to journalism and crime photography. I think your title misleads a bit. The article speaks of restoring the credibility of a photograph -- that is, developing a method of determining that a photo hasn't been altered when that is important. It says nothing about restoring photography's credibility. But I suspect that distinction was inadvertent on your part. Paul -- Original message -- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] I thought this article published by Anick Jesdanun of the Associated Press an interesting read. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23342630/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: fwd: Effort Made To Restore Photography's Credibility
Rather Ironic coming from AP don't ya think? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting, as far as it goes. And relevant in regard to journalism and crime photography. I think your title misleads a bit. The article speaks of restoring the credibility of a photograph -- that is, developing a method of determining that a photo hasn't been altered when that is important. It says nothing about restoring photography's credibility. But I suspect that distinction was inadvertent on your part. Paul -- Original message -- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] I thought this article published by Anick Jesdanun of the Associated Press an interesting read. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23342630/ Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
(not for 56K modem guys) Usefull comparison between 40D and K20D at High ISOs
http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/184452-post1.html Really not that bad. The 40D is a bit better, even at 1600 I do not see much of a difference. The ISO3200 is clearly better on the 40D. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: hardcore industrial kitsch
Arcelor's Dunkirk steel mill, christmas 2007: http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/display/11970048 As always, your comments and suggestions... :-) Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005 Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: (not for 56K modem guys) Usefull comparison between 40D and K20D at High ISOs
From what I saw, the 40D had better overall noise control, but colour noise was far better controlled on the K20D, similar to the Nikon D300's tradeoff (Although the D300 is better in both respects to the 40D). Colour noise is far more objectionable than luminance noise. -Adam On 2/26/08, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/184452-post1.html Really not that bad. The 40D is a bit better, even at 1600 I do not see much of a difference. The ISO3200 is clearly better on the 40D. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: (not for 56K modem guys) Usefull comparison between 40D and K20D at High ISOs
Yes, it looks quite good. And he doesn't say what level noise reduction he used on the K20D. Paul -- Original message -- From: Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/184452-post1.html Really not that bad. The 40D is a bit better, even at 1600 I do not see much of a difference. The ISO3200 is clearly better on the 40D. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: (not for 56K modem guys) Usefull comparison between 40D and K20D at High ISOs
Looks to me like the plain of focus is quite different. At all ISO settings, the K20D dust.. can and closer objects are especially good. Noise in the darker areas quite acceptable. Jack --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it looks quite good. And he doesn't say what level noise reduction he used on the K20D. Paul -- Original message -- From: Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/184452-post1.html Really not that bad. The 40D is a bit better, even at 1600 I do not see much of a difference. The ISO3200 is clearly better on the 40D. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: hardcore industrial kitsch
You seem to have an affinity for 'industrial' photos and do them especially well. :) Jack --- Ralf R. Radermacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Arcelor's Dunkirk steel mill, christmas 2007: http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/display/11970048 As always, your comments and suggestions... :-) Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005 Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Effort Made To Restore Photography's Credibility
On Feb 26, 2008, at 11:58, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: BTW, he never does any kind of cloning in his pictures. FWIW, with the exception of removing sensor dust splotches, I don't do it either. It rubs me the wrong way to fix a photo by removing elements that were there in the original photograph. I'm not saying it's WRONG, just that *I* can't do it. -Charles PS: I lied. I just recalled that in the past I've removed cold sores and zits from portraits. But that's about it. :-) -- Charles Robinson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: hardcore industrial kitsch
Very nice as always. I like the way you worked the light here. Paul -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ralf R. Radermacher) Arcelor's Dunkirk steel mill, christmas 2007: http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/display/11970048 As always, your comments and suggestions... :-) Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005 Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - Serbian Demonstration
On 2/25/08, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it would be a bit like Boston wanting to be part of Canada. It isn't??? Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
GESO: Lola Flash
Last night, I took out the RD-1 and the K10D for a casual workout at the dimly lit Hopetoun. Not telling which shots are which, but suffice it to say, I'd have confidence in taking just the RD-1 in the future. http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/08_02/08_02_lolaflash/index.htm D -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - Serbian Demonstration
I think not, I've been there and didn't have to pass customs. Gonz wrote: On 2/25/08, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it would be a bit like Boston wanting to be part of Canada. It isn't??? Bob -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: hardcore industrial kitsch
Ralf R. Radermacher wrote: Arcelor's Dunkirk steel mill, christmas 2007: http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/display/11970048 As always, your comments and suggestions... :-) Ralf I don't think kitsch at all. Your photos always have their genuine resonant beauty, Ralf. Good advert for SMC, too. D -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: hardcore industrial kitsch
A great capture, well seen. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Ralf R. Radermacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO: hardcore industrial kitsch Arcelor's Dunkirk steel mill, christmas 2007: http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/display/11970048 As always, your comments and suggestions... :-) Ralf -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Effort Made To Restore Photography's Credibility
Interesting article. Thanks for posting. I attended several Evidence Photographers International Council meeting years ago this was the subject of much discussion then. Some of the ideas mentioned in the article were discussed @ these meetings it was felt by some that any of these measures could be overcome. It seemed to be the concensus then, that digital photography had the same issues as wet photography, in so far as evidence presentation goes, but it was much easier for someone to digitally alter an image. It all boils down to the credeability of the one who took the image. When I've testified in product litigation trials, a main point in the presentation of my inspection images was that I took the images they are a true accurate dipiction of what I saw on the day of my inspection. The images are only as credeable as the testifier. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: fwd: Effort Made To Restore Photography's Credibility I thought this article published by Anick Jesdanun of the Associated Press an interesting read. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23342630/ Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sroke
Best wishers, and hoping for your full recovery. Bob Blakely wrote: I've suffeed a stroke. It's considered mild, affecting only my vision to the right. This makes even reading difficult. How much I recover remains to be seen. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Sroke
Sorry to hear Bob. I had a mini one several years ago and fortunately everything turned out okay. However, don't ask me about prostate cancer and radiation. Left me as halfway disabled. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Blakely Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:44 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Sroke I've suffeed a stroke. It's considered mild, affecting only my vision to the right. This makes even reading difficult. How much I recover remains to be seen. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sroke
Hope you caught it in time and you'll have a full recovery. Good thoughts go out to you. -p Bob Blakely wrote: I've suffeed a stroke. It's considered mild, affecting only my vision to the right. This makes even reading difficult. How much I recover remains to be seen. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sroke
Sorry to hear that Bob. You know we'll all be pulling for you here. Best of luck and get well soon. Paul -- Original message -- From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've suffeed a stroke. It's considered mild, affecting only my vision to the right. This makes even reading difficult. How much I recover remains to be seen. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Woo Hoo, it's here
Quoting Bob Sullivan, who wrote on Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 04:30:54PM -0600 .. UPS man brought the K20D from Calumet Photo this afternoon...battery is charging. Initial impressions: Huge 250 page instruction book - much worse that I remember for the K10D. (30 page Quick Start booklet included.) Remote assistant 3 included along with PictureBridge Photolab 3 Nearly identical to the K10D - will be difficult to tell them apart by feel. More options on the set-up screens and haven't touched custom settings yet. Picture display goes to 32X zoom vs 20x? for the K10D...seems like lots more detail. It's a mighty big sensor folks! Santa was early this year ;) Wilko -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Effort Made To Restore Photography's Credibility
The images are only as credeable as the testifier. Absolutely. People forget this too easily. Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Waller Sent: 26 February 2008 21:21 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Effort Made To Restore Photography's Credibility Interesting article. Thanks for posting. I attended several Evidence Photographers International Council meeting years ago this was the subject of much discussion then. Some of the ideas mentioned in the article were discussed @ these meetings it was felt by some that any of these measures could be overcome. It seemed to be the concensus then, that digital photography had the same issues as wet photography, in so far as evidence presentation goes, but it was much easier for someone to digitally alter an image. It all boils down to the credeability of the one who took the image. When I've testified in product litigation trials, a main point in the presentation of my inspection images was that I took the images they are a true accurate dipiction of what I saw on the day of my inspection. The images are only as credeable as the testifier. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: fwd: Effort Made To Restore Photography's Credibility I thought this article published by Anick Jesdanun of the Associated Press an interesting read. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23342630/ Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: hardcore industrial kitsch
Hello Ralf, As is usual for you, another great shot. This one is not as late at night and has a slightly different lighting. Nicely done! -- Best regards, Bruce Tuesday, February 26, 2008, 11:52:53 AM, you wrote: RRR Arcelor's Dunkirk steel mill, christmas 2007: RRR http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/display/11970048 RRR As always, your comments and suggestions... :-) RRR Ralf RRR -- RRR Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany RRR private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de RRR manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005 RRR Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sroke
Damn! Take care of yourself now Bob and we'll root for your full recovery. Regards, Bob S. On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've suffeed a stroke. It's considered mild, affecting only my vision to the right. This makes even reading difficult. How much I recover remains to be seen. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sroke
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 4:21 PM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Best wishers, and hoping for your full recovery. Bob Blakely wrote: I've suffeed a stroke. It's considered mild, affecting only my vision to the right. This makes even reading difficult. How much I recover remains to be seen. Never got the original! Take good care, Bob. All your friends here are thinking of you, pulling for a speedy recovery. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: hardcore industrial kitsch
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Ralf R. Radermacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Arcelor's Dunkirk steel mill, christmas 2007: http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/display/11970048 As always, your comments and suggestions... :-) Gorgeous! That you can find beauty in the bleak austerity of these industrial landscapes never fails to amaze me. Love the lighting! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sroke
Sincerely wish you the very best. Damn it!! Jack --- P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Best wishers, and hoping for your full recovery. Bob Blakely wrote: I've suffeed a stroke. It's considered mild, affecting only my vision to the right. This makes even reading difficult. How much I recover remains to be seen. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sroke
Yech, that sucks. My sympathies and wishes for a 100% recovery, Bob. Godfrey On Feb 26, 2008, at 11:44 AM, Bob Blakely wrote: I've suffeed a stroke. It's considered mild, affecting only my vision to the right. This makes even reading difficult. How much I recover remains to be seen. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sroke
Add me to the list of PDML friends who wish you a speedy recovery. Take it easy but defiantly take it :) Cory - Original Message - From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:44 PM Subject: Sroke I've suffeed a stroke. It's considered mild, affecting only my vision to the right. This makes even reading difficult. How much I recover remains to be seen. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1299 - Release Date: 2/26/2008 9:08 AM -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sroke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry to hear that Bob. You know we'll all be pulling for you here. Best of luck and get well soon. Paul -- Original message -- From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've suffered a stroke. It's considered mild, affecting only my vision to the right. I never even considered you to be liberal! This is bad! keith whaley Get well, Bob! We'll be pulling for you! g This makes even reading difficult. How much I recover remains to be seen. Regards, Bob... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Sroke
I've suffeed a stroke. It's considered mild, affecting only my vision to the right. This makes even reading difficult. How much I recover remains to be seen. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sroke
On 26/02/08, Bob Blakely, discombobulated, unleashed: I've suffeed a stroke. It's considered mild, affecting only my vision to the right. This makes even reading difficult. How much I recover remains to be seen. Best wishes for a good recovery Bob. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Effort Made To Restore Photography's Credibility
- Original Message - From: Ken Waller Subject: Re: Effort Made To Restore Photography's Credibility It all boils down to the credeability of the one who took the image. When I've testified in product litigation trials, a main point in the presentation of my inspection images was that I took the images they are a true accurate dipiction of what I saw on the day of my inspection. The images are only as credeable as the testifier. Therein lies the real problem though. With digital images so very easy to alter compared to a film image, all it takes is a less than honest expert testifier who has an agenda of his own to ruin someone's life. If you are a testifier for the prosecution, the pressure to come up with evidence that supports the case must be extraordinary, and I would be willing to bet that expert witnesses who don't support a prosecutors predisposed view of the case won't be asked to testify all that often, which has a negative impact on the bottom line of the witness. It is made worse by prosecutors who feel they need to get convictions rather than conduct fair trials. The legal system is now more political process than due process, with the bludgeoning hand of the state often more criminal than the criminals themselves, and expert testifiers often just part of a charade designed to get people convicted of crimes they didn't commit, and generally not rich enough to take on the bottomless well of resources that the prosecution has at his disposal. As an example, Canada is having kittens at the moment over a forensic pathologist who's innacurate, misleading incompetant or dishonest, depending on your point of view, testimonies over several decades has ruined the lives of a number of innocent people, and whose credibility remained unquestioned for decades as well. The last person who should be trusted as a credible witness is a person who is being paid by the prosecution. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Air Here
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 8:04 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day All, One from the road(house) (~130kb): http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2033/2293131299_af22de18e3_o.jpg ROTFLMAO!! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: ROTFLMAO
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=384686 Sorry, couldn't resist. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Today :D
I love the shot of the flying duck. Spectacular! Gonz On 2/24/08, Timber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Today I was at the riverside of Danube and a lot of ducks came to celebrate the good weather :D I also had my Photo Sniper with me (modified for K10D :P) and took a few shots. I really like this equipment, since it's not just a great lens, the Tair f4.5/300mm but also a special mount which looks like a machine gun :D So a few duck shots with the Tair: http://www.pbase.com/timbercode/image/93375971 http://www.pbase.com/timbercode/image/93375972 http://www.pbase.com/timbercode/image/93375973 http://www.pbase.com/timbercode/image/93375970 And 2 shots from the town called Szentendre (with the kit lens): http://www.pbase.com/timbercode/image/93375974 http://www.pbase.com/timbercode/image/93375975 Also I had my Full Spectrum Panasonic FZ50 with me... here's a shot made with it with a Hoya R72: http://www.pbase.com/timbercode/image/93375975 Cheers, .timber -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: ROTFLMAO
It's times like these you realize you need to have a bigger dog. David Savage wrote: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=384686 Sorry, couldn't resist. Cheers, Dave -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Effort Made To Restore Photography's Credibility
Charles Robinson wrote: PS: I lied. I just recalled that in the past I've removed cold sores and zits from portraits. But that's about it. :-) I'm in a real quandry. Some of the photos I took last week in Bulgaria would be beautiful but for the power and phone and whatever else lines stretched hither and yon. I'd love to clone some of them out, but they are part of the reality that's there. Not sure which way I'll end up coming down on this one. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Effort Made To Restore Photography's Credibility
- Original Message - From: Doug Franklin Subject: Re: Effort Made To Restore Photography's Credibility I'm in a real quandry. Some of the photos I took last week in Bulgaria would be beautiful but for the power and phone and whatever else lines stretched hither and yon. I'd love to clone some of them out, but they are part of the reality that's there. Not sure which way I'll end up coming down on this one. Photography isn't about reality anyway. Everyone has a point of view, whether their intent is artistic, journalistic or any other of the many facets of this particular sport. Clone the buggers out and have prettier pictures. Just don't sell them to a travel agent under the guise of this is how the place is, really. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: ROTFLMAO
Or a mongoose. P. J. Alling wrote: It's times like these you realize you need to have a bigger dog. David Savage wrote: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=384686 Sorry, couldn't resist. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: ROTFLMAO
David Savage wrote: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=384686 Sorry, couldn't resist. Yes, it's very funny. The first thing that popped into my head was about the right size for a cat, too. ;) So then I read the article. Forgive me if I missed something obvious, but it sounds a lot like they were at home and the snake took it's time with the dog. They tried to frighten it away. The dog is now food. Why the f*** didn't they kill the damn thing? -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Effort Made To Restore Photography's Credibility
William Robb wrote: Photography isn't about reality anyway. Everyone has a point of view, whether their intent is artistic, journalistic or any other [...] Well, that's really the quandry, actually. Which way do I want to present the images ... more artistic or more journalistic. I'm still deciding. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sroke
Sorry to hear the news. Take care and recover quick!. -Adam On 2/26/08, Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've suffeed a stroke. It's considered mild, affecting only my vision to the right. This makes even reading difficult. How much I recover remains to be seen. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Advice for Applying Grain
giggle. ;-) Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:15 AM Subject: Re: Advice for Applying Grain On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Christine Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, I'd be grateful for just a tip or two. Shoot film. :-D Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Advice for Applying Grain
Thanks, Paul, but which photo do you mean? The 1st one (eye crop) or the second one (grain 1 portrait). Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 5:13 AM Subject: Re: Advice for Applying Grain I don't know about applying grain, but I like this shot a lot. And I would go back to RAW and pull down the highlights. You're getting some burn out in the brighter parts of the face. You can do that without deepening the shadows a lot if you work the conversion. Paul On Feb 26, 2008, at 12:38 AM, Christine Aguila wrote: Hi Everyone: I've been fooling around with applying grain, but I really don't know what I'm doing. I don't have any guiding principles to fall back on. I just sort of click, add noise, adjust amounts, but I don't feel thoughtful about my attempts. This is an Eye Crop. I kind of like it, but I feel like I got to this point accidently. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6991527size=lg This is an informal portrait (BTW, When I open this photo up in Photoshop Elements 5, it looks a lot more grainer.). http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6991553 I suspect working with PSE5 also presents some limitations as opposed to working in the full Photoshop program. Anyway, I'd be grateful for just a tip or two. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why I like this list
Who, me? Why I never . . . Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 6:08 PM Subject: Re: Why I like this list On 25/02/08, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed: P.S. I very much like the mischief playfulness of the list as well. Especially as you are responsible for some of it ;-))) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Advice for Applying Grain
On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:59:58 -0600 Christine Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Patrick Genovese [EMAIL PROTECTED] Adjust noise amount to taste. . . Patrick: Now the challenge ahead is for me to cultivate a sense of taste! ;-) Seriously, thanks. This advice should help. Cheers, Christine all my taste is in my mouth... Bran -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Advice for Applying Grain
From: Patrick Genovese [EMAIL PROTECTED] Adjust noise amount to taste. . . Patrick: Now the challenge ahead is for me to cultivate a sense of taste! ;-) Seriously, thanks. This advice should help. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Patrick Genovese [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:49 AM Subject: Re: Advice for Applying Grain This is the way I do in in PS. 1. Add a new layer and fill it with 50% gray (RGB 128,128,128) Set the layer blend mode to overlay 2. Use Filter/Noise/Add Noise Tick Gaussian + Monochromatic. 3. Adjust noise amount to taste I usually end up with anything between 0.5% to 15%. This naturally depends on the image. 4. Adjust the layer opacity to fine tune the effect. I Sometimes I apply a bit of unsharp mask to the noise layer but it does not always give a pleasing result. Hope this helps Regards Patrick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Effort Made To Restore Photography's Credibility
Doug Franklin wrote: William Robb wrote: Photography isn't about reality anyway. Everyone has a point of view, whether their intent is artistic, journalistic or any other [...] Well, that's really the quandry, actually. Which way do I want to present the images ... more artistic or more journalistic. I'm still deciding. I tend to consider my photographs a document of what was visible within the frame when I pressed the little button. As such I rarely remove anything other than dust. I don't recall ever adding anything to a photo. But Bill's right. Altering photographs is not a sin so long as you don't claim they weren't altered. I do think the nature of the photograph and it's intended audience should help you decide. A while back Shel presented us with a photo taken in a diner back in the 60s or 70s. The menu, with prices, was visible, as were a few people (clothing, hair, etc. all fit the time frame). There was also a napkin holder on a counter which quite a few of the folks around here thought detracted from the photograph. Shel was encouraged to remove it and he eventually did. I still think of this photo as an historical document that should not have been tampered with in that manner. On the other hand, if you're looking to print something pretty for the living room wall, have at it. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: ROTFLMAO
Sorry Scott you're thinking like an American. Scott Loveless wrote: David Savage wrote: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=384686 Sorry, couldn't resist. Yes, it's very funny. The first thing that popped into my head was about the right size for a cat, too. ;) So then I read the article. Forgive me if I missed something obvious, but it sounds a lot like they were at home and the snake took it's time with the dog. They tried to frighten it away. The dog is now food. Why the f*** didn't they kill the damn thing? -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Advice for Applying Grain
Thanks, Tim. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Tim Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:45 AM Subject: Re: Advice for Applying Grain Nice pictures, both of them. -T On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Christine Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone: I've been fooling around with applying grain, but I really don't know what I'm doing. I don't have any guiding principles to fall back on. I just sort of click, add noise, adjust amounts, but I don't feel thoughtful about my attempts. This is an Eye Crop. I kind of like it, but I feel like I got to this point accidently. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6991527size=lg This is an informal portrait (BTW, When I open this photo up in Photoshop Elements 5, it looks a lot more grainer.). http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6991553 I suspect working with PSE5 also presents some limitations as opposed to working in the full Photoshop program. Anyway, I'd be grateful for just a tip or two. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Advice for Applying Grain
Peter: I can do a bit of layering in PSE5, and I'm just starting to teach myself this, so your advice here helps. Thanks. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 7:21 AM Subject: Re: Advice for Applying Grain I actually have a grain sample, can't remember where I got it, I usually create a second layer paste it into that and adjust the blending, opacity and fill, sometimes curves on just that layer to get the grain effect I'm looking for. It's not always effective but works well other times. Done that way you can always revert to the original image and not lose any other adjustments made afterward by simply deleting the grain layer. Then again I'm not sure if PSE5 supports layers. Christine Aguila wrote: Hi Everyone: I've been fooling around with applying grain, but I really don't know what I'm doing. I don't have any guiding principles to fall back on. I just sort of click, add noise, adjust amounts, but I don't feel thoughtful about my attempts. This is an Eye Crop. I kind of like it, but I feel like I got to this point accidently. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6991527size=lg This is an informal portrait (BTW, When I open this photo up in Photoshop Elements 5, it looks a lot more grainer.). http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6991553 I suspect working with PSE5 also presents some limitations as opposed to working in the full Photoshop program. Anyway, I'd be grateful for just a tip or two. Cheers, Christine -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: hardcore industrial kitsch
Wow, that's nice Ralf. Really enjoyed seeing this photo. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Ralf R. Radermacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax Mailingliste pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:52 PM Subject: PESO: hardcore industrial kitsch Arcelor's Dunkirk steel mill, christmas 2007: http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/display/11970048 As always, your comments and suggestions... :-) Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005 Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Air Here
Fun! Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 7:04 AM Subject: PESO: Air Here G'day All, One from the road(house) (~130kb): http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2033/2293131299_af22de18e3_o.jpg Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Effort Made To Restore Photography's Credibility
- Original Message - From: Doug Franklin Subject: Re: Effort Made To Restore Photography's Credibility Well, that's really the quandry, actually. Which way do I want to present the images ... more artistic or more journalistic. I'm still deciding. I figure if someone wants to pay me to be a journalist, I'm a journalist. Until then, I go for the esthetically pleasing whenever possible. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: ROTFLMAO
- Original Message - From: Scott Loveless Subject: Re: OT: ROTFLMAO Why the f*** didn't they kill the damn thing? They should have tried pointy sticks rather than comfy chairs. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: ROTFLMAO
...who wasn't personally confronted by a big ass snake. There is no way known I would go near that thing. It can have the yappy rat AFAIK. Cheers, Dave At 02:08 PM 27/02/2008, P. J. Alling wrote: Sorry Scott you're thinking like an American. Scott Loveless wrote: David Savage wrote: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=384686 Sorry, couldn't resist. Yes, it's very funny. The first thing that popped into my head was about the right size for a cat, too. ;) So then I read the article. Forgive me if I missed something obvious, but it sounds a lot like they were at home and the snake took it's time with the dog. They tried to frighten it away. The dog is now food. Why the f*** didn't they kill the damn thing? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: ROTFLMAO
P. J. Alling wrote: Sorry Scott you're thinking like an American. Apparently. Scott Loveless wrote: David Savage wrote: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=384686 Sorry, couldn't resist. Yes, it's very funny. The first thing that popped into my head was about the right size for a cat, too. ;) So then I read the article. Forgive me if I missed something obvious, but it sounds a lot like they were at home and the snake took it's time with the dog. They tried to frighten it away. The dog is now food. Why the f*** didn't they kill the damn thing? -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lola Flash
Derby: I think 11.htm is my favorite. Nice job here. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Derby Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:56 PM Subject: GESO: Lola Flash Last night, I took out the RD-1 and the K10D for a casual workout at the dimly lit Hopetoun. Not telling which shots are which, but suffice it to say, I'd have confidence in taking just the RD-1 in the future. http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/08_02/08_02_lolaflash/index.htm D -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2008 - 13 - GDG
A great pattern shot, Godfrey! Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: DUG [EMAIL PROTECTED]; PDML List PDML@pdml.net; PAW [EMAIL PROTECTED]; SeePhoto Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: PESO 2008 - 13 - GDG http://homepage.mac.com/godders/13-tensions.jpg Tensions - Ground Signs 2008 Olympus E-1 + ZD 11-22mm f/2.8-3.5 ISO 400 @ f/7.1 @ 1/60 sec, fl=19mm Comments and critique always appreciated. enjoy Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Advice for Applying Grain
My advice on applying grain: either neat or over ice. Repeat as needed. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
