Re: The k20D is here!
Congrats. Oh yes, recently I had to finally upgrade my PC, as it has been getting too slow... By the way, if necessary, you can ask me off-list re my configuration. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: lens advice?
Subash, IMHO you might want to take 10-20 for landscapes (probably breathtaking shots will come out of this), 50/1.4 for the evening hours and the shots of your friends, and optionally 50-200... But I think that wide lens and a fast lens are preferable to the long lens. FA 35/2 seems to me like the least possible candidate as it does not offer neither wide angle nor speed compared to 10-20 and 50/1.4... Unless of course weight and size are restrictions. Then you might ought to run and buy yourself one of these wide limited DA lenses, such as DA 15 or DA 21. Have a great trip and be safe! Boris On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Subashpdml.l...@gmail.com wrote: hi, come august 1, i am going for a trek in the himalayas. we (a group of four) had originally planned on doing a trek to a place called the valley of flowers. that trail, unfortunately, is also a major sikh/hindu pilgrimage route, so its quite crowded/noisy. we thought we'd prefer something more secluded, peaceful and divinity-free for our first trek in the himalayas, so we have chosen to do a place called har ki dun (valley gods and that's strictly metaphorical). now, i am taking the k10d. since it's a trek, and we'll be carrying most of our stuff up steep inclines, there's a kind of limit to the stuff i can carry. lenses. the lenses i do have are: sigma 10-20, fa35/2, fa50/1.4, da50-200. obviously i can't take them all on a trip like this, so i would appreciate your inputs here as to which i should take (i am looking at landscape and people photography). i would also appreciate any other inputs you'd want to share. TIA, regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: lens advice?
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 09:25:43 +0300 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Subash, IMHO you might want to take 10-20 for landscapes (probably breathtaking shots will come out of this), 50/1.4 for the evening hours and the shots of your friends, and optionally 50-200... But I think that wide lens and a fast lens are preferable to the long lens. FA 35/2 seems to me like the least possible candidate as it does not offer neither wide angle nor speed compared to 10-20 and 50/1.4... Unless of course weight and size are restrictions. Then you might ought to run and buy yourself one of these wide limited DA lenses, such as DA 15 or DA 21. Boris, i've decided to take the sigma 10-20, the 50/1.4 and the 50-200. it is an eight days trek, we need to carry other things too, so yes weight and size are considerable restrictions. cash looks to be another serious restriction so won't be able to afford the da 15 or da 21 right now. :) Have a great trip and be safe! thanks Boris. appreciate your inputs. regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax *ist Ds RAW file - which CAMERA RAW for original CS?
On 8/7/09, Adam Maas, discombobulated, unleashed: 2,4 also fully supports DNG so it can be used in concert with Adobe DNG converter to process RAW files from any camera supported by any version of ACR. Thanks Adam. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 78 rules of photography
2009/7/8 DagT li...@thrane.name: Den 7. juli. 2009 kl. 04.34 skrev paul stenquist: On Jul 6, 2009, at 10:10 PM, paul stenquist wrote: On Jul 6, 2009, at 8:53 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 20:25:34 -0400, you wrote: From: Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 16:28:51 -0400, you wrote: Ken Waller wrote: - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:51:13 -0400, you wrote: On 7/3/09, Paul Ewins paulew...@optusnet.com.au wrote: I'll feel a lot more confident now that I am aware of the rules of sausage photography (no. 36) January 2010 PUG - Sausage! Sounds like a wiener to me. Hot Dog I couldn't think of a wurst subject I had to chime in so I could ketchup Admit it, you relish threads like this. Yeah I do, it would leave me in a pickle if I didn't. I was always confident you'd be able to cut the mustard. Some of the pun threads here are bad, but this one is the wurst. Doh! I'm the wurst. I posted a repeat pun. Grounds for PDML banishment. Or at the very least, a flogging. On the buns perhaps? No, this is the wurst: http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bilder/vis_bilde.cgi?id=103007 Whoah! Looks more like you went bananas with this one. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: lens advice?
in the old days, 28-85mm could do an extremely wide range of shoots, this is roughly 18-54mm on Pentax digital, hence the 18-55 kit lenses. Don't know if the DA18-55 they sell is any good, but I would not recommend the huge gap in commonly needed normal range beteen 20mm to 50mm. Either use a zoom from 18-50 range or fill in/add a 28/30mm lens if you have one. those are generally small and light and good performance too. -- J.C. O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Home Page - www.jchriso.com Join the Audio CD PLAYER DISCUSSION list - http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdplayers/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Subash Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 3:19 AM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: lens advice? On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 09:25:43 +0300 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Subash, IMHO you might want to take 10-20 for landscapes (probably breathtaking shots will come out of this), 50/1.4 for the evening hours and the shots of your friends, and optionally 50-200... But I think that wide lens and a fast lens are preferable to the long lens. FA 35/2 seems to me like the least possible candidate as it does not offer neither wide angle nor speed compared to 10-20 and 50/1.4... Unless of course weight and size are restrictions. Then you might ought to run and buy yourself one of these wide limited DA lenses, such as DA 15 or DA 21. Boris, i've decided to take the sigma 10-20, the 50/1.4 and the 50-200. it is an eight days trek, we need to carry other things too, so yes weight and size are considerable restrictions. cash looks to be another serious restriction so won't be able to afford the da 15 or da 21 right now. :) Have a great trip and be safe! thanks Boris. appreciate your inputs. regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax *ist Ds RAW file - which CAMERA RAW for original CS?
Cotty Have you found a copy. I have what i think is the correct version here, but not 100% sure. Its a file from 2006 so it may be if you need it. Dave On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 3:16 AM, Cottycotty...@mac.com wrote: On 8/7/09, Adam Maas, discombobulated, unleashed: 2,4 also fully supports DNG so it can be used in concert with Adobe DNG converter to process RAW files from any camera supported by any version of ACR. Thanks Adam. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What's up with the K7 grip/kit?
This is so far the most disappointing news about the new camera. I almost always have the grip with me. I may or may not have a bag where I am and the chances that I have the bag with the bloody remote in it are very slim indeed. Pants pockets? You must be joking. First thought was how well the little remotes fare in the wash. I'll have to find a strap with a pocket, I guess. CW Ken Waller wrote: I will miss having a tray to hold the small remote. Thats why my pants have pockets. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com Subject: Re: What's up with the K7 grip/kit? On Jul 8, 2009, at 07:51 , paul stenquist wrote: I will miss having a tray to hold the small remote. Isn't that what Cesar is for, or does he just do gates now.:-0 Dave I use it when I shoot VR panoramas for real estate, and since it's in the tray, I can't forget it or lose it. It's too small not to have a home! -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.8/2224 - Release Date: 07/08/09 05:53:00 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Changing focus area on K-7
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 7:27 PM, William Robbwar...@gmail.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Ken Waller Subject: Re: Changing focus area on K-7 I took Bella into my pusher's store one day and have every female employeee in the place (I think there were 6 of them) all vying for her attention. Sounds like Bella is tough competition, I woulda thought they'd be looking for your attention... The only ones looking for my attention these days want child support. Daddy... Dave William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax *ist Ds RAW file - which CAMERA RAW for original CS?
On 9/7/09, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: Have you found a copy. I have what i think is the correct version here, but not 100% sure. Its a file from 2006 so it may be if you need it. Thanks Dave, I downloaded 2.4 from the Adobe website and it handles the PEF files from the *ist Ds into the original Photoshop CS (version 8) no problem at all. It was for Stefan - he's into day 3 of his work experience with the Oxford Mail newspaper and he's loving it. The problem is that he keeps sending me ebay links to auctions for used Canon 1D mark II 's !! The photog he is assigned to has a 1D mark III. Stef is not impressed with the *ist Ds speed - but I did tell him that he would be on steam power with it instead of the Dilithium-Crystal- powered warp drive of the 1D cameras! He's making do though - we had a heads-together session last night about ISO and shooting modes. He's got it sorted now so hopefully he won't make the mistakes of yesterday. Working on a web page for his stuff, so will post that to the list as and when. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax *ist Ds RAW file - which CAMERA RAW for original CS?
Sounds good Cotty. Glad he is enjoying the work experience. This kid of thing, i found, is invaluable later in life. Tell him to tell the Canon guy, the Ds is supposed to be slow, it lakes better pictures that way.:-) Dave On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 6:42 AM, Cottycotty...@mac.com wrote: On 9/7/09, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: Have you found a copy. I have what i think is the correct version here, but not 100% sure. Its a file from 2006 so it may be if you need it. Thanks Dave, I downloaded 2.4 from the Adobe website and it handles the PEF files from the *ist Ds into the original Photoshop CS (version 8) no problem at all. It was for Stefan - he's into day 3 of his work experience with the Oxford Mail newspaper and he's loving it. The problem is that he keeps sending me ebay links to auctions for used Canon 1D mark II 's !! The photog he is assigned to has a 1D mark III. Stef is not impressed with the *ist Ds speed - but I did tell him that he would be on steam power with it instead of the Dilithium-Crystal- powered warp drive of the 1D cameras! He's making do though - we had a heads-together session last night about ISO and shooting modes. He's got it sorted now so hopefully he won't make the mistakes of yesterday. Working on a web page for his stuff, so will post that to the list as and when. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Changing focus area on K-7
David J Brooks wrote: On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 7:27 PM, William Robbwar...@gmail.com wrote: The only ones looking for my attention these days want child support. Daddy... Dave :) That made me snort my shiraz through my nose -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The k20D is here!
Good move! You're gonna love it. I finally added a couple gigs to eliminate my system's choking on multiple RAW downloads. Jack --- On Wed, 7/8/09, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Subject: The k20D is here! To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 6:11 PM Arrived today, free shipping from NY to CT is a two day process, faster than any of the guaranteed three day+ methods. Battery is charging, looking forward to a day of testing functions tomorrow, (damn the manual is a brick). I also ordered a 0-ME53 eyecup/loup and I've been playing with it on the *ist-Ds. I've decided that it's the must have accessory for any Pentax DSLR. Now I have a bunch of computer upgrades that I'm going to have to do... -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Digital Prime Lens Recommendation
On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 10:14:09PM -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi scripsit: On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Graydono...@uniserve.com wrote: I didn't say that, Paul. I said I didn't find it 2x to 3x the quality as implied by 3x the price. I also found that it flared in various circumstances and was difficult to fit with a decent lens hood. Price-performance never scales in a linear way, though. ... I am quite aware of that. But you did not write like as though you were aware of that -- 2x to 3x the quality as implied by 3x the price is as near to linear in expectation as makes no nevermind. [snip] I found the 31 Limited on the DSLRs to be disappointing for its price tag ... primarily for reasons of flare, flare that was not easy to prevent since I couldn't fit a decent lens hood without creating some weird contraption or hunting down just the right one that would sneak inside the fixed hood. And the idiocy of creating a fixed lens hood that permanently blocks or makes clumsy the use of other lens accessories put it over the top. The only time I've ever had flare issues with mine, sticking a polarizer on it handled them nicely, and the cutaway hood does make it easy to turn polarizers. That's it, it's my opinion and I voted with my wallet: I sold the lens to someone who appreciated it more than I, took the money and bought other lenses that I found more suitable. Which is only sensible, after all. If that bugs you for some unknown reason, well, that's not my problem. Gracious, no. Precision of expression in a written medium, though; that's so rarely purely an issue with the reader. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: lens advice?
Subash, If it was me I'd be thinking like this: I wouldn't dare to leave the tripod at home. The 50mm focal length is duplicated by the long zoom, so the 50mm would be off my packing list. The 35mm is conveniently between the two zooms, and will also serve well in low-light. With particularly spectacular landscapes, it will also be a good choice for making mosaics (or panos, if you like) to up the resolution. Whether by leaving other stuff at home or by carrying the extra weight, I think suffering for the art is worthwhile within your limits. For positive thinking, be glad you don't own a 600mm... :-) Jostein 2009/7/8 Subash pdml.l...@gmail.com: hi, come august 1, i am going for a trek in the himalayas. we (a group of four) had originally planned on doing a trek to a place called the valley of flowers. that trail, unfortunately, is also a major sikh/hindu pilgrimage route, so its quite crowded/noisy. we thought we'd prefer something more secluded, peaceful and divinity-free for our first trek in the himalayas, so we have chosen to do a place called har ki dun (valley gods and that's strictly metaphorical). now, i am taking the k10d. since it's a trek, and we'll be carrying most of our stuff up steep inclines, there's a kind of limit to the stuff i can carry. lenses. the lenses i do have are: sigma 10-20, fa35/2, fa50/1.4, da50-200. obviously i can't take them all on a trip like this, so i would appreciate your inputs here as to which i should take (i am looking at landscape and people photography). i would also appreciate any other inputs you'd want to share. TIA, regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: lens advice?
10-20 50-200mm Cheers, Dave 2009/7/9 Subash pdml.l...@gmail.com: hi, come august 1, i am going for a trek in the himalayas. we (a group of four) had originally planned on doing a trek to a place called the valley of flowers. that trail, unfortunately, is also a major sikh/hindu pilgrimage route, so its quite crowded/noisy. we thought we'd prefer something more secluded, peaceful and divinity-free for our first trek in the himalayas, so we have chosen to do a place called har ki dun (valley gods and that's strictly metaphorical). now, i am taking the k10d. since it's a trek, and we'll be carrying most of our stuff up steep inclines, there's a kind of limit to the stuff i can carry. lenses. the lenses i do have are: sigma 10-20, fa35/2, fa50/1.4, da50-200. obviously i can't take them all on a trip like this, so i would appreciate your inputs here as to which i should take (i am looking at landscape and people photography). i would also appreciate any other inputs you'd want to share. TIA, regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What's up with the K7 grip/kit?
Cory Waters wrote: This is so far the most disappointing news about the new camera. I almost always have the grip with me. I may or may not have a bag where I am and the chances that I have the bag with the bloody remote in it are very slim indeed. Pants pockets? You must be joking. First thought was how well the little remotes fare in the wash. I'll have to find a strap with a pocket, I guess. It's really not that hard to make a pouch to attach to your strap. It can be as simple as a couple of pull ties and an old film canister. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What's up with the K7 grip/kit?
2009/7/9 Doug Franklin jehosep...@mindspring.com: Cory Waters wrote: This is so far the most disappointing news about the new camera. I almost always have the grip with me. I may or may not have a bag where I am and the chances that I have the bag with the bloody remote in it are very slim indeed. Pants pockets? You must be joking. First thought was how well the little remotes fare in the wash. I'll have to find a strap with a pocket, I guess. Cory, replace the supplied strap with something like the Lowepro Voyager S. It has a Velcro pocked for card storage. It's also much more comfortable, and has quick release buckles for when you don't want the strap attached. I bought one for a friends birthday earlier this year on seeing it liked it enough that I got one for myself. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Any photo professors here?
Mark! -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bong Manayon Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 9:34 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: OT: Any photo professors here? Anybody here formally teaches a course in photography (college level)? Bong -- Bong Manayon http://www.bong.uni.cc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What's up with the K7 grip/kit?
Okay, that will work for me, since it has release buckles. Thanks Dave. Paul On Jul 9, 2009, at 8:27 AM, David Savage wrote: 2009/7/9 Doug Franklin jehosep...@mindspring.com: Cory Waters wrote: This is so far the most disappointing news about the new camera. I almost always have the grip with me. I may or may not have a bag where I am and the chances that I have the bag with the bloody remote in it are very slim indeed. Pants pockets? You must be joking. First thought was how well the little remotes fare in the wash. I'll have to find a strap with a pocket, I guess. Cory, replace the supplied strap with something like the Lowepro Voyager S. It has a Velcro pocked for card storage. It's also much more comfortable, and has quick release buckles for when you don't want the strap attached. I bought one for a friends birthday earlier this year on seeing it liked it enough that I got one for myself. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Monopod advice
I also have the 3216 but with the 484 miniball head. The miniball is a bit harder to control precisely, but then again monopods are not about speed not precision. Great for wildlife and racing. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Doug Franklin Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 8:17 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Monopod advice Graydon wrote: On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 03:41:37PM -0400, Doug Franklin scripsit: I use a Bogen/Manfrotto black, three-section monopod, I think the number here is 3218. I usually have a Bogen/Manfrotto 3262 medium ball head on it. I use it with the Sigma APO 400/5.6 Macro and the Pentax F* 300/4.5 exclusively. It's plenty strong to deal with those lenses, and could double as a bludgeon if the local fauna get too nosy. However, it's only a couple of pounds or so (I've never actually weighed it). Thanks! I am really hoping to avoid any occasions for fauna-bludgeoning; that leads to paperwork and contusions. I'm also not sure the model listed is still available, though it might be that my google-fu is weak. Sometimes the fauna doesn't give you any choice. :-) It's listed on the BH web site as the 3216 (#679B) for for about US$ 48 by itself, or about US$ 64 *with* a #234 Swivel Tilt Head. My memory was that the 3216 was silver and the 3218 was black, but apparently I'm mistaken, or they changed it in the last seven or eight years. There is a spiked foot for it, #236 Surveyors Spiked Foot (for 679, 680, and 681 series monopods) for about US$ 15. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Monopod advice
Oops. I have the 484RC2 head (quick release) I also find this useful since I like the flexibility of getting the camera off quickly. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Desjardins, Steve Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 9:54 AM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: Monopod advice I also have the 3216 but with the 484 miniball head. The miniball is a bit harder to control precisely, but then again monopods are not about speed not precision. Great for wildlife and racing. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Doug Franklin Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 8:17 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Monopod advice Graydon wrote: On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 03:41:37PM -0400, Doug Franklin scripsit: I use a Bogen/Manfrotto black, three-section monopod, I think the number here is 3218. I usually have a Bogen/Manfrotto 3262 medium ball head on it. I use it with the Sigma APO 400/5.6 Macro and the Pentax F* 300/4.5 exclusively. It's plenty strong to deal with those lenses, and could double as a bludgeon if the local fauna get too nosy. However, it's only a couple of pounds or so (I've never actually weighed it). Thanks! I am really hoping to avoid any occasions for fauna-bludgeoning; that leads to paperwork and contusions. I'm also not sure the model listed is still available, though it might be that my google-fu is weak. Sometimes the fauna doesn't give you any choice. :-) It's listed on the BH web site as the 3216 (#679B) for for about US$ 48 by itself, or about US$ 64 *with* a #234 Swivel Tilt Head. My memory was that the 3216 was silver and the 3218 was black, but apparently I'm mistaken, or they changed it in the last seven or eight years. There is a spiked foot for it, #236 Surveyors Spiked Foot (for 679, 680, and 681 series monopods) for about US$ 15. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Monopod advice
FWIW, Ballheads may not be necessary. I have used monopods for years without them, even after I tried them. You can usually just tilt the whole rig for minor adjustments in pitch or roll. This is for camera in landscape mode of course. Portrait orientation will need at least a L- bracket for most cameras. -- J.C. O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Home Page - www.jchriso.com Join the Audio CD PLAYER DISCUSSION list - http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdplayers/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: lens advice?
My thoughts exactly. John From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Boris Liberman [bori...@gmail.com] Sent: 09 July 2009 07:25 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: lens advice? Subash, IMHO you might want to take 10-20 for landscapes (probably breathtaking shots will come out of this), 50/1.4 for the evening hours and the shots of your friends, and optionally 50-200... But I think that wide lens and a fast lens are preferable to the long lens. FA 35/2 seems to me like the least possible candidate as it does not offer neither wide angle nor speed compared to 10-20 and 50/1.4... Unless of course weight and size are restrictions. Then you might ought to run and buy yourself one of these wide limited DA lenses, such as DA 15 or DA 21. Have a great trip and be safe! Boris On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Subashpdml.l...@gmail.com wrote: hi, come august 1, i am going for a trek in the himalayas. we (a group of four) had originally planned on doing a trek to a place called the valley of flowers. that trail, unfortunately, is also a major sikh/hindu pilgrimage route, so its quite crowded/noisy. we thought we'd prefer something more secluded, peaceful and divinity-free for our first trek in the himalayas, so we have chosen to do a place called har ki dun (valley gods and that's strictly metaphorical). now, i am taking the k10d. since it's a trek, and we'll be carrying most of our stuff up steep inclines, there's a kind of limit to the stuff i can carry. lenses. the lenses i do have are: sigma 10-20, fa35/2, fa50/1.4, da50-200. obviously i can't take them all on a trip like this, so i would appreciate your inputs here as to which i should take (i am looking at landscape and people photography). i would also appreciate any other inputs you'd want to share. TIA, regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: lens advice?
Wow, that looks impressive! And 11,000 feet?!! Be safe. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Subashpdml.l...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 00:02:42 +0530 Subash pdml.l...@gmail.com wrote: come august 1, i am going for a trek in the himalayas. the region we'd be trekking through on wikimapia: http://wikimapia.org/#lat=31.112328lon=78.3483124z=12l=0m=bv=8 the trek starts from a place called sankhri somewhere on the lower left corner, and we head to har ki dun and jaundhar glacier there on the top right corner... regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
I've got a hole in me arsenal
so I'm looking at either the DA Star 50-135mm F2.8 ED (IF) SDM or the DA Star 60-250mm F4 ED (IF) SDM and the prices are way different, 500 smackers worth at BH. Is the 60-250 really that much better, and keep in mind that linear thought and I rarely collide. For the difference, I could also get the 21Ltd and a grip for the K-7. What to do, what to do? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: My K20 won't go into dust alert mode
On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 11:45:20PM -0400, Graydon wrote: On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 08:43:15PM -0700, Larry Colen scripsit: It worked fine for a while, but now the menu item is greyed out. I was trying to check for dust on my road trip and it won't do the auto dust detection any more. I tried to RTFM, but it just said how to go into dust detection, not (that I could find) why it might not. Is the camera in manual focus mode? That was it. Thanks. -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Monopod advice
I use a video head with my monopod. It's much more stable than a ball head and easier to adjust. It works very well with tilt, so it's good for shooting birds in trees. Paul On Jul 9, 2009, at 10:33 AM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: FWIW, Ballheads may not be necessary. I have used monopods for years without them, even after I tried them. You can usually just tilt the whole rig for minor adjustments in pitch or roll. This is for camera in landscape mode of course. Portrait orientation will need at least a L- bracket for most cameras. -- J.C. O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Home Page - www.jchriso.com Join the Audio CD PLAYER DISCUSSION list - http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdplayers/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I've got a hole in me arsenal
- Original Message - From: Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:16 AM Subject: I've got a hole in me arsenal so I'm looking at either the DA Star 50-135mm F2.8 ED (IF) SDM or the DA Star 60-250mm F4 ED (IF) SDM and the prices are way different, 500 smackers worth at BH. Is the 60-250 really that much better, and keep in mind that linear thought and I rarely collide. For the difference, I could also get the 21Ltd and a grip for the K-7. What to do, what to do? Seems to me the DA* 50-135mm, 21mm K-7 grip are the way to go; Didn't you say about the 21mm a while back: I'm really wanting this lens didn't you also say I likes me vertical controls I've always said the DA* 50-135mm is a super duper lens. Can't say enough about it. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: lens advice?
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:08:16 -0400 J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote: in the old days, 28-85mm could do an extremely wide range of shoots, this is roughly 18-54mm on Pentax digital, hence the 18-55 kit lenses. Don't know if the DA18-55 they sell is any good, but I would not recommend the huge gap in commonly needed normal range beteen 20mm to 50mm. Either use a zoom from 18-50 range or fill in/add a 28/30mm lens if you have one. those are generally small and light and good performance too. thanks JCO. appreciate your thoughts. i think i'll just have to find a way to take all the four lenses. :) regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: lens advice?
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:53:10 +0200 AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: Subash, If it was me I'd be thinking like this: I wouldn't dare to leave the tripod at home. The 50mm focal length is duplicated by the long zoom, so the 50mm would be off my packing list. The 35mm is conveniently between the two zooms, and will also serve well in low-light. With particularly spectacular landscapes, it will also be a good choice for making mosaics (or panos, if you like) to up the resolution. Whether by leaving other stuff at home or by carrying the extra weight, I think suffering for the art is worthwhile within your limits. thanks Jostein, for thinking this through in detail. appreciate it. i am actually coming around to the conclusion that i can suffer a little more for art's sake and carry the fa35/2 as well. :) after all it's just an additional 200 gms more. i'll have to cut corners elsewhere... For positive thinking, be glad you don't own a 600mm... :-) :-) otoh, if that's weighing too much on your mind, i am sure there are people here only too eager to relieve you of your worries. :) regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: lens advice?
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 19:57:22 +0800 David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote: 10-20 50-200mm thanks Dave, i am taking all the four lenses. and cutting down on my stock of rum for the trip. ;-) regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: lens advice?
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:06:33 -0500 Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, that looks impressive! And 11,000 feet?!! Be safe. Bob, it's actually one of the easiest of the treks in the himalayas, what they call a Grade I trek here. there are plenty of more strenuous and dangerous treks but we are kind of testing the waters. depending on how this one goes, we'll try the tougher ones later. next year may be..but, of course, we'll be careful. thanks! regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I've got a hole in me arsenal
I'd go the 50-135mm put the difference toward the grip 21mm. But I only rarely shoot at the longer FL nowadays. Cheers, Dave 2009/7/9 Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com: so I'm looking at either the DA Star 50-135mm F2.8 ED (IF) SDM or the DA Star 60-250mm F4 ED (IF) SDM and the prices are way different, 500 smackers worth at BH. Is the 60-250 really that much better, and keep in mind that linear thought and I rarely collide. For the difference, I could also get the 21Ltd and a grip for the K-7. What to do, what to do? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I've got a hole in me arsenal
I think the DA* 60-250 is a bit better at f4 and 135mm than is the DA* 50-135, but they're too different animals, and both are excellent. The 50-135 is superb and has the advantage of being a stop faster. It's more suited for low-light work like weddings or concerts. But if you want a lens with the length for outdoor sporting events and need the reach, then the 60-250 is a better choice. The correct choice, of course, is both:-). Paul On Jul 9, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Doug Brewer wrote: so I'm looking at either the DA Star 50-135mm F2.8 ED (IF) SDM or the DA Star 60-250mm F4 ED (IF) SDM and the prices are way different, 500 smackers worth at BH. Is the 60-250 really that much better, and keep in mind that linear thought and I rarely collide. For the difference, I could also get the 21Ltd and a grip for the K-7. What to do, what to do? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: lens advice?
2009/7/9 Subash pdml.l...@gmail.com: On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 19:57:22 +0800 David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote: 10-20 50-200mm thanks Dave, i am taking all the four lenses. and cutting down on my stock of rum for the trip. ;-) :-) Well I've recently discovered that rum I don't get along too well so that's a fair trade IMO. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: lens advice?
Have a great trip, Subash. Looking forward to the photos. cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Subash pdml.l...@gmail.com To: pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:37 AM Subject: Re: lens advice? On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:06:33 -0500 Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, that looks impressive! And 11,000 feet?!! Be safe. Bob, it's actually one of the easiest of the treks in the himalayas, what they call a Grade I trek here. there are plenty of more strenuous and dangerous treks but we are kind of testing the waters. depending on how this one goes, we'll try the tougher ones later. next year may be..but, of course, we'll be careful. thanks! regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I've got a hole in me arsenal
paul stenquist wrote: The correct choice, of course, is both :-). Mark! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Changing focus area on K-7
Derby Chang wrote: David J Brooks wrote: On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 7:27 PM, William Robbwar...@gmail.com wrote: The only ones looking for my attention these days want child support. Daddy... Dave :) That made me snort my shiraz through my nose Coffee for me, you apparently have a higher level nose. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I've got a hole in me arsenal
On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 11:16:38AM -0400, Doug Brewer scripsit: so I'm looking at either the DA Star 50-135mm F2.8 ED (IF) SDM or the DA Star 60-250mm F4 ED (IF) SDM and the prices are way different, 500 smackers worth at BH. Is the 60-250 really that much better, and keep in mind that linear thought and I rarely collide. For the difference, I could also get the 21Ltd and a grip for the K-7. What to do, what to do? How often do you shoot distant subjects? My take on this is that the 50-135 is the people range and the 60-250 is the zoo range. (Actual wildlife would be the 200-500 Pentax has inexplicably failed to announce. :) I own neither lens but on the basis of the posted photos the 60-250 _is_ better; not hugely, but some. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: My K20 won't go into dust alert mode
On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 08:18:20AM -0700, Larry Colen scripsit: On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 11:45:20PM -0400, Graydon wrote: On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 08:43:15PM -0700, Larry Colen scripsit: It worked fine for a while, but now the menu item is greyed out. I was trying to check for dust on my road trip and it won't do the auto dust detection any more. I tried to RTFM, but it just said how to go into dust detection, not (that I could find) why it might not. Is the camera in manual focus mode? That was it. Thanks. You're welcome! -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I've got a hole in me arsenal
2009/7/9 Graydon o...@uniserve.com: I own neither lens but on the basis of the posted photos the 60-250 _is_ better; not hugely, but some. But which one takes the most interesting photos? :-) Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Monopod advice
On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 11:20:11AM -0400, paul stenquist scripsit: I use a video head with my monopod. It's much more stable than a ball head and easier to adjust. It works very well with tilt, so it's good for shooting birds in trees. Now that is certainly good to know! I foresee some research. Thanks! -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The k20D is here!
Unfortunately the OS has to go. I'm still on Win2K, it's reliable, and blazingly fast on the hardware I have. Unfortunately no one seems to be willing to supports it. HP supported Win 98 until just a couple of years ago, they dropped Win2k within just a few months after that. All the software I'm going to need wants XP or better. I'm actually thinking of building/configuring two new machines, an XP machine with twice the speed and twice current memory of the one I'm currently using and a headless Linux box to act as a file server, (that can be a bit slower than what I'm using now and still have superior throughput). I can still do most of my personal software development work on my current machine, it might be better to that way. Jack Davis wrote: Good move! You're gonna love it. I finally added a couple gigs to eliminate my system's choking on multiple RAW downloads. Jack --- On Wed, 7/8/09, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Subject: The k20D is here! To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 6:11 PM Arrived today, free shipping from NY to CT is a two day process, faster than any of the guaranteed three day+ methods. Battery is charging, looking forward to a day of testing functions tomorrow, (damn the manual is a brick). I also ordered a 0-ME53 eyecup/loup and I've been playing with it on the *ist-Ds. I've decided that it's the must have accessory for any Pentax DSLR. Now I have a bunch of computer upgrades that I'm going to have to do... -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The k20D is here!
P. J. Alling wrote: Arrived today, free shipping from NY to CT is a two day process, faster than any of the guaranteed three day+ methods. Battery is charging, looking forward to a day of testing functions tomorrow, (damn the manual is a brick). I also ordered a 0-ME53 eyecup/loup and I've been playing with it on the *ist-Ds. I've decided that it's the must have accessory for any Pentax DSLR. Now I have a bunch of computer upgrades that I'm going to have to do... It's a great camera. You'll enjoy using it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Digital Prime Lens Recommendation
Much thanks to all who commented. I have learned a lot, and have a lot to think about. I am still working with my *ist D, but I hope to switch to the K-7 soon. If I am going to spend that kind of money on a body, I need to give serious consideration to the lenses I will use with it. Dan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: lens advice?
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:31:51 -0500 Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: Have a great trip, Subash. Looking forward to the photos. thanks Christine, i will. :) hopefully i will have some decent photos as well. regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The k20D is here!
On Thu, July 9, 2009 17:52, P. J. Alling wrote: an XP machine with twice the speed and twice current memory Microsoft will also drop the support for XP soon or they already dropped the support. Maybe you need something different. Thomas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The k20D is here!
On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 06:01:21PM +0200, Thomas Bohn scripsit: On Thu, July 9, 2009 17:52, P. J. Alling wrote: an XP machine with twice the speed and twice current memory Microsoft will also drop the support for XP soon or they already dropped the support. Maybe you need something different. Well... I think -- 'cause that's what I do -- it's perfectly possible to do all the image processing on Linux. It's also perfectly possible to do all of it on Mac. But if P.J. has some software projects to work on, or anything else Windows-dependent, those might not be options. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The k20D is here!
I'm just numb enough not to be fine with Vista Home Premium. I know, I know..save your pity. ;)) Jack --- On Thu, 7/9/09, Thomas Bohn tho...@bohnomat.de wrote: From: Thomas Bohn tho...@bohnomat.de Subject: Re: The k20D is here! To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 9:01 AM On Thu, July 9, 2009 17:52, P. J. Alling wrote: an XP machine with twice the speed and twice current memory Microsoft will also drop the support for XP soon or they already dropped the support. Maybe you need something different. Thomas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The k20D is here!
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Thomas Bohntho...@bohnomat.de wrote: On Thu, July 9, 2009 17:52, P. J. Alling wrote: an XP machine with twice the speed and twice current memory Microsoft will also drop the support for XP soon or they already dropped the support. Maybe you need something different. Thomas MS is in the process of dropping support for XP. Expect consumer support to be gone this fall when Windows 7 launches and coporate support in the next year or so. Vista's significantly better with high-memory machines anyways. Just be sure to disable the ReadyBoost and WIndows Indexing services. Kill the Themes service and it'll look much like Win2k as well. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The k20D is here!
Thomas Bohn wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: an XP machine with twice the speed and twice current memory Microsoft will also drop the support for XP soon or they already dropped the support. Maybe you need something different. Speaking of Windows, I'm running XP since 2003 or so without a glitch, while I've only seen struggle, pain and desperation among those trying Vista. Seriously, I cannot tell Vista apart from sado-maso practice. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I've got a hole in me arsenal
2009/7/9 Graydon o...@uniserve.com: My take on this is that the 50-135 is the people range and the 60-250 is the zoo range. (Actual wildlife would be the 200-500 Pentax has inexplicably failed to announce. :) So a man photographing chimps in a zoo would need 60-250, while the zoo-resident chimp photographing people would need the 50-135. Doug, I think the question boils down to whether you chimp much while shooting... Jostein :-) -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The k20D is here!
On Jul 9, 2009, at 11:26, Dario Bonazza wrote: Speaking of Windows, I'm running XP since 2003 or so without a glitch, while I've only seen struggle, pain and desperation among those trying Vista. Seriously, I cannot tell Vista apart from sado- maso practice. There is far less leather and vinyl involved with Vista. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
K20D Blues
Well not really blues, exactly. The K20 is, relatively, big, and heavy, and takes very nice photos; very, very, nice photos. However it's just sinking in how much I'm going to have to upgrade. Pentax Photo Lab does a reasonably good job of converting the raw output, but it's really clunky to use. RSE which is what I have been using is, of course, a dead product, since Adobe bought it, (just as I had decided to buy RSP, also a dead product), but it did everything I needed and it's work flow was actually good enough for me to use when shooting a wedding or other event. Well that's gone and now I need to look at different raw converters. Some of the photoshop plugins I've been using simply refuse to work with files produced by the K20D, I'll have to find replacements, even if I didn't have to update to a newer picture editing program, (I'm using Photoshop 7.0). That too produced very nice output with the *ist-D and Ds). The built in card reader in my Win2K box chokes on SDHC cards, not surprising really, but I keep forgetting, annoying, so I need a new one of those. I was already running out of Hard drive space, looks like another Terabyte is in order, probably two, (damn I remember when a Terabyte was *a* *boatload* of storage). Then there's my flash units, I've been using a pair of AF280Ts as my primary on camera lighting, and an AF200T as a just in case unit, since my primary cameras were a pair of LXen. Well of course TTL is dead, so I need to upgrade those. Yes I know, they still work as dumb flash units, (and as long as I have an LX or a *ist camera in my inventory I will probably keep them, after all what are they worth used), but the 280s have always been a little under powered, and what made them reasonably viable was the their TTL capability. RhetoricalThe question about the flash is do I go with something simple but powerful and robust such as Vivitar 285HV or a sophisticated unit like the Pentax AF-540./rhetorical Oh well, I don't /need/ to make that decision today. Thank Gaud that at least the lenses don't have to be changed, though I've been lusting over a 77 limited for some time now, and the 17-70 would be very convenient, and then there's that 15mm limited that everyone hates and either an A 20mm or Da 21mm, (ARRGGG). -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Any photo professors here?
I wouldn't associate with real photo professors. Desjardins, Steve wrote: Mark! -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bong Manayon Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 9:34 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: OT: Any photo professors here? Anybody here formally teaches a course in photography (college level)? Bong -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I've got a hole in me arsenal
I've never used either, but it seems you have two different holes in your arsenal, they are very different lenses, so by both! Doug Brewer wrote: so I'm looking at either the DA Star 50-135mm F2.8 ED (IF) SDM or the DA Star 60-250mm F4 ED (IF) SDM and the prices are way different, 500 smackers worth at BH. Is the 60-250 really that much better, and keep in mind that linear thought and I rarely collide. For the difference, I could also get the 21Ltd and a grip for the K-7. What to do, what to do? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D Blues
I ran PS 7.0 on my work box and had no trouble with K20 files that I recall. Generally, I converted using Irfanview; you might want to give it a try. P. J. Alling wrote: Well not really blues, exactly. The K20 is, relatively, big, and heavy, and takes very nice photos; very, very, nice photos. However it's just sinking in how much I'm going to have to upgrade. Pentax Photo Lab does a reasonably good job of converting the raw output, but it's really clunky to use. RSE which is what I have been using is, of course, a dead product, since Adobe bought it, (just as I had decided to buy RSP, also a dead product), but it did everything I needed and it's work flow was actually good enough for me to use when shooting a wedding or other event. Well that's gone and now I need to look at different raw converters. Some of the photoshop plugins I've been using simply refuse to work with files produced by the K20D, I'll have to find replacements, even if I didn't have to update to a newer picture editing program, (I'm using Photoshop 7.0). That too produced very nice output with the *ist-D and Ds). The built in card reader in my Win2K box chokes on SDHC cards, not surprising really, but I keep forgetting, annoying, so I need a new one of those. I was already running out of Hard drive space, looks like another Terabyte is in order, probably two, (damn I remember when a Terabyte was *a* *boatload* of storage). Then there's my flash units, I've been using a pair of AF280Ts as my primary on camera lighting, and an AF200T as a just in case unit, since my primary cameras were a pair of LXen. Well of course TTL is dead, so I need to upgrade those. Yes I know, they still work as dumb flash units, (and as long as I have an LX or a *ist camera in my inventory I will probably keep them, after all what are they worth used), but the 280s have always been a little under powered, and what made them reasonably viable was the their TTL capability. RhetoricalThe question about the flash is do I go with something simple but powerful and robust such as Vivitar 285HV or a sophisticated unit like the Pentax AF-540./rhetorical Oh well, I don't /need/ to make that decision today. Thank Gaud that at least the lenses don't have to be changed, though I've been lusting over a 77 limited for some time now, and the 17-70 would be very convenient, and then there's that 15mm limited that everyone hates and either an A 20mm or Da 21mm, (ARRGGG). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The k20D is here!
Microsoft may drop support, but drivers will be available for some time, I spent enough time on the bleeding edge with a number of software development organizations, the trailing edge is much more comfortable. I wouldn't ditch Win2K if I could still get drivers for it. I don't need help running my systems, that kind of support is usually worse than useless, I need support for new hardware. WinXP will have that for a number of years, maybe there will really be Linux support for what I want by then. Thomas Bohn wrote: On Thu, July 9, 2009 17:52, P. J. Alling wrote: an XP machine with twice the speed and twice current memory Microsoft will also drop the support for XP soon or they already dropped the support. Maybe you need something different. Thomas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The k20D is here!
I'd worry more about the ridicule. Jack Davis wrote: I'm just numb enough not to be fine with Vista Home Premium. I know, I know..save your pity. ;)) Jack --- On Thu, 7/9/09, Thomas Bohn tho...@bohnomat.de wrote: From: Thomas Bohn tho...@bohnomat.de Subject: Re: The k20D is here! To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 9:01 AM On Thu, July 9, 2009 17:52, P. J. Alling wrote: an XP machine with twice the speed and twice current memory Microsoft will also drop the support for XP soon or they already dropped the support. Maybe you need something different. Thomas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The k20D is here!
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Dario Bonazzadario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Thomas Bohn wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: an XP machine with twice the speed and twice current memory Microsoft will also drop the support for XP soon or they already dropped the support. Maybe you need something different. Speaking of Windows, I'm running XP since 2003 or so without a glitch, while I've only seen struggle, pain and desperation among those trying Vista. Seriously, I cannot tell Vista apart from sado-maso practice. Dario I'm on my fourth Vista machine since launch (2 Laptops, 1 desktop, 1 subnotebook), 3 of which are still being used (although the Desktop is now my main Linux server). It's been FAR less hassle than XP ever was, especially with regards to drivers since it requires the new WDM drivers which are more stable. The issues with Vista's rep mostly come down to poor driver support at launch, the (mistaken) idea that you can actually successfully upgrade a consumer OS, a few badly chosen default settings on MS's part (UAC and ReadyBoost in particular) and people trying it on marginal hardware. In reality Vista has caused far less problems than XP did at launch. The main reason it's been unsuccessful was that it was a painful launch replacing a mature OS that most were content with whereas XP's launch was a painful launch replacing a disastrously bad OS (Windows Me, the hands-down worst version of Windows by a very large margin). -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The k20D is here!
Charles Robinson wrote: On Jul 9, 2009, at 11:26, Dario Bonazza wrote: Speaking of Windows, I'm running XP since 2003 or so without a glitch, while I've only seen struggle, pain and desperation among those trying Vista. Seriously, I cannot tell Vista apart from sado-maso practice. There is far less leather and vinyl involved with Vista. You can have virtual leather and vinyl. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The k20D is here!
Unfortunately with Windows, once support is dropped you will be increasingly vulnerable to security threats. It's the Security Updates that are the truly valuable portion of MS's support. -Adam On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:55 PM, P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Microsoft may drop support, but drivers will be available for some time, I spent enough time on the bleeding edge with a number of software development organizations, the trailing edge is much more comfortable. I wouldn't ditch Win2K if I could still get drivers for it. I don't need help running my systems, that kind of support is usually worse than useless, I need support for new hardware. WinXP will have that for a number of years, maybe there will really be Linux support for what I want by then. Thomas Bohn wrote: On Thu, July 9, 2009 17:52, P. J. Alling wrote: an XP machine with twice the speed and twice current memory Microsoft will also drop the support for XP soon or they already dropped the support. Maybe you need something different. Thomas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D Blues
You can look at Raw Therapee for your converter, it's free or you can donate if you want...looks like it supports all Pentax DSLR's except the K7. Or you can convert your pef's to dng's with Adobe's DNG Converter and work with them. The new camera is just the first step on the path to a whole bunch of gotta haves. -p -Original Message- From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Sent: Jul 9, 2009 11:40 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: K20D Blues Well not really blues, exactly. The K20 is, relatively, big, and heavy, and takes very nice photos; very, very, nice photos. However it's just sinking in how much I'm going to have to upgrade. Pentax Photo Lab does a reasonably good job of converting the raw output, but it's really clunky to use. RSE which is what I have been using is, of course, a dead product, since Adobe bought it, (just as I had decided to buy RSP, also a dead product), but it did everything I needed and it's work flow was actually good enough for me to use when shooting a wedding or other event. Well that's gone and now I need to look at different raw converters. Some of the photoshop plugins I've been using simply refuse to work with files produced by the K20D, I'll have to find replacements, even if I didn't have to update to a newer picture editing program, (I'm using Photoshop 7.0). That too produced very nice output with the *ist-D and Ds). The built in card reader in my Win2K box chokes on SDHC cards, not surprising really, but I keep forgetting, annoying, so I need a new one of those. I was already running out of Hard drive space, looks like another Terabyte is in order, probably two, (damn I remember when a Terabyte was *a* *boatload* of storage). Then there's my flash units, I've been using a pair of AF280Ts as my primary on camera lighting, and an AF200T as a just in case unit, since my primary cameras were a pair of LXen. Well of course TTL is dead, so I need to upgrade those. Yes I know, they still work as dumb flash units, (and as long as I have an LX or a *ist camera in my inventory I will probably keep them, after all what are they worth used), but the 280s have always been a little under powered, and what made them reasonably viable was the their TTL capability. RhetoricalThe question about the flash is do I go with something simple but powerful and robust such as Vivitar 285HV or a sophisticated unit like the Pentax AF-540./rhetorical Oh well, I don't /need/ to make that decision today. Thank Gaud that at least the lenses don't have to be changed, though I've been lusting over a 77 limited for some time now, and the 17-70 would be very convenient, and then there's that 15mm limited that everyone hates and either an A 20mm or Da 21mm, (ARRGGG). -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D Blues
On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 12:40:31PM -0400, P. J. Alling scripsit: Well that's gone and now I need to look at different raw converters. Some of the photoshop plugins I've been using simply refuse to work with files produced by the K20D, I'll have to find replacements, even if I didn't have to update to a newer picture editing program, (I'm using Photoshop 7.0). That too produced very nice output with the *ist-D and Ds). http://ufraw.sourceforge.net/ Unidentified Flying Raw. Free, 16 bit processing, there's a windows version, knows about PEF, there's no Photoshop plugin but it will happily produce a TIFF or PNG file (I do this two stages with the GIMP -- ufraw for white balance, brightness curves, saturation, gamma, etc. and possibly cropping; GIMP for colour balance, levels tweaking, and sharpening). It supports batch commands and saving specific settings to a file so you can hand-tweak settings for one representative raw file and then do that to all the others in that batch from the command line. (From the first image you wind up with up with _igp0020.dng, _igp0020.raw, and _igp0020.png from the first file; then use the batch commands to apply _igp0020.raw to _igp0021.dng through _igp0050.dng) Worked with the K20D even before it knew to crop off the unused sensor area. A bit of a learning curve with what all the controls do, but it allows much fine adjustment. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Changing focus area on K-7
2009/7/7 John Celio n...@neovenator.com: Anyway, I doubt it's broken for the vast majority of their current users, because I doubt a vast majority of Pentax users even use the selective focus point feature. Advanced shooters like us, sure, but not Mrs. Soccermom-Smith. John John, I can't talk for the rest of the soccermom's on this list, but I love me some center-point focus point, and rarely change it. This would prove your point if I actually *were* a soccermom, but I'm not. Not that there's anything wrong with that. --M. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://www.EnticingTheLight.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The k20D is here!
Didn't you notice, I've already taken care of that part myself.:( Jack --- On Thu, 7/9/09, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Subject: Re: The k20D is here! To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 9:57 AM I'd worry more about the ridicule. Jack Davis wrote: I'm just numb enough not to be fine with Vista Home Premium. I know, I know..save your pity. ;)) Jack --- On Thu, 7/9/09, Thomas Bohn tho...@bohnomat.de wrote: From: Thomas Bohn tho...@bohnomat.de Subject: Re: The k20D is here! To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 9:01 AM On Thu, July 9, 2009 17:52, P. J. Alling wrote: an XP machine with twice the speed and twice current memory Microsoft will also drop the support for XP soon or they already dropped the support. Maybe you need something different. Thomas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I've got a hole in me arsenal
David Savage wrote: 2009/7/9 Graydon o...@uniserve.com: I own neither lens but on the basis of the posted photos the 60-250 _is_ better; not hugely, but some. But which one takes the most interesting photos? :-) Cheers, Dave The photographer! :-D keith -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I've got a hole in me arsenal
Doug, My browser window was not in full-screen mode which made my mail program truncate the subject of your post to I've got a hole in me arse, to which I thought hey, so do I, maybe we can have a nice thread chatting about it. But then I thought you might have just found out you had a hole back there, which worried me because I am not a psychologist, and you would surely be in need of specialised help if it had taken you this long to figure out where your 4th orifice was located. I must say I was relieved when I clicked on the message and found out the aforementioned hole was not in your arse, but in your arsenal, and that you where looking for suggestions on how to plug it. The hole in your arsenal, that is. I would not recommend you plug the other one. Unless you had a severe case of the runnies and a date with Carmen Electra in 10 minutes. I guess there's an exception to every rule. So anyway, back to your holy arsenal. I think Jostein gave you your answer: Are you a small ape photographing people, or a person photographing small apes? If you have trouble differentiating them, you have more problems than we can help you with here. Good luck with the hole filling! --M. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://www.EnticingTheLight.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 2009/7/9 Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com: so I'm looking at either the DA Star 50-135mm F2.8 ED (IF) SDM or the DA Star 60-250mm F4 ED (IF) SDM and the prices are way different, 500 smackers worth at BH. Is the 60-250 really that much better, and keep in mind that linear thought and I rarely collide. For the difference, I could also get the 21Ltd and a grip for the K-7. What to do, what to do? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The k20D is here!
On Jul 9, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Jack Davis wrote: I'm just numb enough not to be fine with Vista Home Premium. I know, I know..save your pity. ;)) Who said anything about any OS, I certainly didn't. But if you want to discuss about OS, my humble opinion is simple: Microsoft did almost everything right with the step from NT4 to Windows 2000 but after that it did everything wrong: XP, Vista or 7 all went the wrong way. The last ten years are lost for Windows, it only won because most enterprises are more affraid of change than the most conservative people in the world (maybe they are the most conservative people in the world). Thomas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I've got a hole in me arsenal
Doug, I'd love to own the DA*60-250/4, but I do think it is a bit specialized. I've got the old FA*80-200/2.8 and an old A20/2.8, so no DA's for me. (But I did get to shoot a new 21Ltd and it's sweet!) Get the DA*50-135/2.8, 21Ltd, and the grip. The good fast lenses are a joy forever. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Doug Brewerd...@alphoto.com wrote: so I'm looking at either the DA Star 50-135mm F2.8 ED (IF) SDM or the DA Star 60-250mm F4 ED (IF) SDM and the prices are way different, 500 smackers worth at BH. Is the 60-250 really that much better, and keep in mind that linear thought and I rarely collide. For the difference, I could also get the 21Ltd and a grip for the K-7. What to do, what to do? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D Blues
I ran PS Elements 5.0 on all the K20D stuff, shooting DNG's. (Shot PEF's for a while on the K10D) Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Doug Brewerd...@alphoto.com wrote: I ran PS 7.0 on my work box and had no trouble with K20 files that I recall. Generally, I converted using Irfanview; you might want to give it a try. P. J. Alling wrote: Well not really blues, exactly. The K20 is, relatively, big, and heavy, and takes very nice photos; very, very, nice photos. However it's just sinking in how much I'm going to have to upgrade. Pentax Photo Lab does a reasonably good job of converting the raw output, but it's really clunky to use. RSE which is what I have been using is, of course, a dead product, since Adobe bought it, (just as I had decided to buy RSP, also a dead product), but it did everything I needed and it's work flow was actually good enough for me to use when shooting a wedding or other event. Well that's gone and now I need to look at different raw converters. Some of the photoshop plugins I've been using simply refuse to work with files produced by the K20D, I'll have to find replacements, even if I didn't have to update to a newer picture editing program, (I'm using Photoshop 7.0). That too produced very nice output with the *ist-D and Ds). The built in card reader in my Win2K box chokes on SDHC cards, not surprising really, but I keep forgetting, annoying, so I need a new one of those. I was already running out of Hard drive space, looks like another Terabyte is in order, probably two, (damn I remember when a Terabyte was *a* *boatload* of storage). Then there's my flash units, I've been using a pair of AF280Ts as my primary on camera lighting, and an AF200T as a just in case unit, since my primary cameras were a pair of LXen. Well of course TTL is dead, so I need to upgrade those. Yes I know, they still work as dumb flash units, (and as long as I have an LX or a *ist camera in my inventory I will probably keep them, after all what are they worth used), but the 280s have always been a little under powered, and what made them reasonably viable was the their TTL capability. RhetoricalThe question about the flash is do I go with something simple but powerful and robust such as Vivitar 285HV or a sophisticated unit like the Pentax AF-540./rhetorical Oh well, I don't /need/ to make that decision today. Thank Gaud that at least the lenses don't have to be changed, though I've been lusting over a 77 limited for some time now, and the 17-70 would be very convenient, and then there's that 15mm limited that everyone hates and either an A 20mm or Da 21mm, (ARRGGG). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: lens advice?
thanks Jostein, for thinking this through in detail. appreciate it. i am actually coming around to the conclusion that i can suffer a little more for art's sake and carry the fa35/2 as well. :) after all it's just an additional 200 gms more. i'll have to cut corners elsewhere... For positive thinking, be glad you don't own a 600mm... :-) :-) otoh, if that's weighing too much on your mind, i am sure there are people here only too eager to relieve you of your worries. :) regards, subash cycle at about 14mph for 3 hours and you've burned those 200 grams, and more. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: The k20D is here!
I don't think so, XP ws worlds better than anything earlier and there is still a huge base of xp users -- J.C. O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Home Page - www.jchriso.com Join the Audio CD PLAYER DISCUSSION list - http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdplayers/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Bohn Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 12:01 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: The k20D is here! On Thu, July 9, 2009 17:52, P. J. Alling wrote: an XP machine with twice the speed and twice current memory Microsoft will also drop the support for XP soon or they already dropped the support. Maybe you need something different. Thomas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D Blues
The biggest problem I have is using PTLens, (though there are a couple of other plugins that don't much like the K20D files, too big maybe), I have one of the ancient Freeware copies as a Photoshop plug in, It's no longer supported but if you've got even a small clue as to what you're doing you can create your own profiles. I've created a lens profile for converting my 17mm fisheye shots to rectilinear which works very well and is relatively automatic, and a couple of others to correct for distortion that isn't quite that radical. (I also had to create a profile for the Ds which worked just fine, it's only looking for two parameters in the EXIF data). Unfortunately my version of PTLens chokes on the K20 Files. The profile I created for that camera looks right, but...) I've used irfanview to convert *ist raw files but I was never really happy with the results, and I couldn't figure out how to create as nearly a seamless workflow as I had with RSE which is quite flexible, and can produce very consistent results in batch mode. Photoshop 7.0 itself doesn't have problems reading the converted files from Pentax Photo Lab, Raw Therapee, or Irfanview but none of them are conducive to any kind of professional work flow.. None of the convertersm that I know offer reasonable work flow will even install on Win2k, at this point in time, (thought they might run). I suppose that I wouldn't have to replace Photoshop 7.0 if I could find a new Raw Converter that worked the way I want, but that seems to be Lightroom. so why not just go all the way and get a updated Photoshop, it doesn't have to be the full version Elements would be fine. I've resisted most of these upgrades because they would have required that I ditch Win2K, which I've been happier with than any other OS I've ever used. I've been able to get all of the software I needed to do photography to work relatively painlessly, together. I don't write software that needs the latest driver models and my software runs quite well on WinXp and even Vista even if developed on Win2K. It's not really a complaint, but it is a pain, (and damn it if I don't despise Vista). Doug Brewer wrote: I ran PS 7.0 on my work box and had no trouble with K20 files that I recall. Generally, I converted using Irfanview; you might want to give it a try. P. J. Alling wrote: Well not really blues, exactly. The K20 is, relatively, big, and heavy, and takes very nice photos; very, very, nice photos. However it's just sinking in how much I'm going to have to upgrade. Pentax Photo Lab does a reasonably good job of converting the raw output, but it's really clunky to use. RSE which is what I have been using is, of course, a dead product, since Adobe bought it, (just as I had decided to buy RSP, also a dead product), but it did everything I needed and it's work flow was actually good enough for me to use when shooting a wedding or other event. Well that's gone and now I need to look at different raw converters. Some of the photoshop plugins I've been using simply refuse to work with files produced by the K20D, I'll have to find replacements, even if I didn't have to update to a newer picture editing program, (I'm using Photoshop 7.0). That too produced very nice output with the *ist-D and Ds). The built in card reader in my Win2K box chokes on SDHC cards, not surprising really, but I keep forgetting, annoying, so I need a new one of those. I was already running out of Hard drive space, looks like another Terabyte is in order, probably two, (damn I remember when a Terabyte was *a* *boatload* of storage). Then there's my flash units, I've been using a pair of AF280Ts as my primary on camera lighting, and an AF200T as a just in case unit, since my primary cameras were a pair of LXen. Well of course TTL is dead, so I need to upgrade those. Yes I know, they still work as dumb flash units, (and as long as I have an LX or a *ist camera in my inventory I will probably keep them, after all what are they worth used), but the 280s have always been a little under powered, and what made them reasonably viable was the their TTL capability. RhetoricalThe question about the flash is do I go with something simple but powerful and robust such as Vivitar 285HV or a sophisticated unit like the Pentax AF-540./rhetorical Oh well, I don't /need/ to make that decision today. Thank Gaud that at least the lenses don't have to be changed, though I've been lusting over a 77 limited for some time now, and the 17-70 would be very convenient, and then there's that 15mm limited that everyone hates and either an A 20mm or Da 21mm, (ARRGGG). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he
Re: The k20D is here!
I don't even know what OS is.(?) You are apparently offended by something and if I can help you deal with it, please let me know. ;) Jack --- On Thu, 7/9/09, Thomas Bohn tho...@bohnomat.de wrote: From: Thomas Bohn tho...@bohnomat.de Subject: Re: The k20D is here! To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 10:41 AM On Jul 9, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Jack Davis wrote: I'm just numb enough not to be fine with Vista Home Premium. I know, I know..save your pity. ;)) Who said anything about any OS, I certainly didn't. But if you want to discuss about OS, my humble opinion is simple: Microsoft did almost everything right with the step from NT4 to Windows 2000 but after that it did everything wrong: XP, Vista or 7 all went the wrong way. The last ten years are lost for Windows, it only won because most enterprises are more affraid of change than the most conservative people in the world (maybe they are the most conservative people in the world). Thomas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I've got a hole in me arsenal
On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 11:45:38AM -0400, Graydon wrote: My take on this is that the 50-135 is the people range and the 60-250 is the zoo range. (Actual wildlife would be the 200-500 Pentax has inexplicably failed to announce. :) ITYM 250-600. The FA* one works just fine on the digital bodies :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The k20D is here!
Like I said, bleeding edge, I run closed machines usually behind a firewall that keeps everything out with up to date virus software. Most non Trojan attacks are through RPC type services, I turn those off and block all the ports but those that I actually need using firewall. I won't say I'm particularly safe, but Microsoft's support update model actually makes me more vulnerable. The only way my machines are particularly subject to attack would be if someone got physical access to them, (I think I'll be even more paranoid running XP and shut down even more services), anyone who can physically get to a machine can do pretty much anything they want however, I believe in firearms to deter that. Adam Maas wrote: Unfortunately with Windows, once support is dropped you will be increasingly vulnerable to security threats. It's the Security Updates that are the truly valuable portion of MS's support. -Adam On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:55 PM, P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Microsoft may drop support, but drivers will be available for some time, I spent enough time on the bleeding edge with a number of software development organizations, the trailing edge is much more comfortable. I wouldn't ditch Win2K if I could still get drivers for it. I don't need help running my systems, that kind of support is usually worse than useless, I need support for new hardware. WinXP will have that for a number of years, maybe there will really be Linux support for what I want by then. Thomas Bohn wrote: On Thu, July 9, 2009 17:52, P. J. Alling wrote: an XP machine with twice the speed and twice current memory Microsoft will also drop the support for XP soon or they already dropped the support. Maybe you need something different. Thomas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The k20D is here!
But it could be worse, much worse. Jack Davis wrote: Didn't you notice, I've already taken care of that part myself.:( Jack --- On Thu, 7/9/09, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Subject: Re: The k20D is here! To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 9:57 AM I'd worry more about the ridicule. Jack Davis wrote: I'm just numb enough not to be fine with Vista Home Premium. I know, I know..save your pity. ;)) Jack --- On Thu, 7/9/09, Thomas Bohn tho...@bohnomat.de wrote: From: Thomas Bohn tho...@bohnomat.de Subject: Re: The k20D is here! To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 9:01 AM On Thu, July 9, 2009 17:52, P. J. Alling wrote: an XP machine with twice the speed and twice current memory Microsoft will also drop the support for XP soon or they already dropped the support. Maybe you need something different. Thomas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The k20D is here!
XP is fundamentally identical to Win2K. It was in many ways a reskinned version of Win2K with better DirectX support for gaming. It did evolve some differences with SP2 and later though. -Adam On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 2:28 PM, J.C. O'Connellhifis...@gate.net wrote: I don't think so, XP ws worlds better than anything earlier and there is still a huge base of xp users -- J.C. O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Home Page - www.jchriso.com Join the Audio CD PLAYER DISCUSSION list - http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdplayers/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Bohn Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 12:01 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: The k20D is here! On Thu, July 9, 2009 17:52, P. J. Alling wrote: an XP machine with twice the speed and twice current memory Microsoft will also drop the support for XP soon or they already dropped the support. Maybe you need something different. Thomas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Changing focus area on K-7
2009/7/9 Miserere miser...@gmail.com: I can't talk for the rest of the soccermom's on this list, but I love me some center-point focus point, and rarely change it. This would prove your point if I actually *were* a soccermom, but I'm not. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Indeed. Since you failed to consider that the default, and green, setting for AF is multi-point, you're off the soccerhook. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: I've got a hole in me arsenal
The 50-135 (plus the grip and the DA21) seems like a better bang for general photography. Hell, it makes a pretty good kit all by itself. I'm assuming that you really don't NEED the reach of the 60-250 or you wouldn't have bothered asking. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Miserere Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 1:37 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: I've got a hole in me arsenal Doug, My browser window was not in full-screen mode which made my mail program truncate the subject of your post to I've got a hole in me arse, to which I thought hey, so do I, maybe we can have a nice thread chatting about it. But then I thought you might have just found out you had a hole back there, which worried me because I am not a psychologist, and you would surely be in need of specialised help if it had taken you this long to figure out where your 4th orifice was located. I must say I was relieved when I clicked on the message and found out the aforementioned hole was not in your arse, but in your arsenal, and that you where looking for suggestions on how to plug it. The hole in your arsenal, that is. I would not recommend you plug the other one. Unless you had a severe case of the runnies and a date with Carmen Electra in 10 minutes. I guess there's an exception to every rule. So anyway, back to your holy arsenal. I think Jostein gave you your answer: Are you a small ape photographing people, or a person photographing small apes? If you have trouble differentiating them, you have more problems than we can help you with here. Good luck with the hole filling! --M. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://www.EnticingTheLight.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 2009/7/9 Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com: so I'm looking at either the DA Star 50-135mm F2.8 ED (IF) SDM or the DA Star 60-250mm F4 ED (IF) SDM and the prices are way different, 500 smackers worth at BH. Is the 60-250 really that much better, and keep in mind that linear thought and I rarely collide. For the difference, I could also get the 21Ltd and a grip for the K-7. What to do, what to do? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I've got a hole in me arsenal
Miserere, That came across as vitriol. Concentrated. Jostein 2009/7/9 Miserere miser...@gmail.com: Doug, [big snip] Good luck with the hole filling! -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The k20D is here!
There is always a danger when you get your hopes too high. Crashing depression may result. |-\ Jack --- On Thu, 7/9/09, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Subject: Re: The k20D is here! To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 11:57 AM But it could be worse, much worse. Jack Davis wrote: Didn't you notice, I've already taken care of that part myself.:( Jack --- On Thu, 7/9/09, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Subject: Re: The k20D is here! To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 9:57 AM I'd worry more about the ridicule. Jack Davis wrote: I'm just numb enough not to be fine with Vista Home Premium. I know, I know..save your pity. ;)) Jack --- On Thu, 7/9/09, Thomas Bohn tho...@bohnomat.de wrote: From: Thomas Bohn tho...@bohnomat.de Subject: Re: The k20D is here! To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 9:01 AM On Thu, July 9, 2009 17:52, P. J. Alling wrote: an XP machine with twice the speed and twice current memory Microsoft will also drop the support for XP soon or they already dropped the support. Maybe you need something different. Thomas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I've got a hole in me arsenal
Have to know what you plan to shoot, don't we? Any lenses you can get rid of if you get the 60-250? Do you need the 250mm end? The 60-250 seems (to me) to be a better, sharper lens than the 50-135. But it's heavier, bigger, costs a lot. BUT, are the prices going to rise as they have in Europe? I bought mine now because of that, instead of ordering the K-7 last weekend. I already have 2 K20s, and a K10 (and a K100), and I'm selling all of those except one K20 to pay for my 60-250, and get a start on the K-7 body. Your situation will vary. Just some thoughts to help you along. On Jul 9, 2009, at 08:16 , Doug Brewer wrote: so I'm looking at either the DA Star 50-135mm F2.8 ED (IF) SDM or the DA Star 60-250mm F4 ED (IF) SDM and the prices are way different, 500 smackers worth at BH. Is the 60-250 really that much better, and keep in mind that linear thought and I rarely collide. For the difference, I could also get the 21Ltd and a grip for the K-7. What to do, what to do? Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com “ It is still true, as was first said many years ago, that people are the only sophisticated computing devices that can be made at low cost by unskilled workers!” — Martin G. Wolf, PhD -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I've got a hole in me arsenal
On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 02:44:17PM -0400, John Francis scripsit: On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 11:45:38AM -0400, Graydon wrote: My take on this is that the 50-135 is the people range and the 60-250 is the zoo range. (Actual wildlife would be the 200-500 Pentax has inexplicably failed to announce. :) ITYM 250-600. The FA* one works just fine on the digital bodies :-) Yeah, but it's f5.6. If Pentax did what I wanted, there would be a DA* 200-500/4 and a DA* 800/4 on the roadmap, with the 800 being a catadioptric lens with autofocus and variable aperture. Not expecting to get either, but one can dream. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What's up with the K7 grip/kit?
Btw, talking about straps - the one I found most comfortable is black rapid r-strap. And it has pocket (though I never used it). --Sasha On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 5:48 AM, paul stenquistpnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Okay, that will work for me, since it has release buckles. Thanks Dave. Paul On Jul 9, 2009, at 8:27 AM, David Savage wrote: 2009/7/9 Doug Franklin jehosep...@mindspring.com: Cory Waters wrote: This is so far the most disappointing news about the new camera. I almost always have the grip with me. I may or may not have a bag where I am and the chances that I have the bag with the bloody remote in it are very slim indeed. Pants pockets? You must be joking. First thought was how well the little remotes fare in the wash. I'll have to find a strap with a pocket, I guess. Cory, replace the supplied strap with something like the Lowepro Voyager S. It has a Velcro pocked for card storage. It's also much more comfortable, and has quick release buckles for when you don't want the strap attached. I bought one for a friends birthday earlier this year on seeing it liked it enough that I got one for myself. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
K-7 arrival
The K-7 arrived today from BH. I wish they would charge the battery. I'm sitting here watching the green 'charge' light, waiting for it to go out. I saw and held the K-7 at GFM, so now I want pictures! (Lynn knew it was coming and shared the joy of opening the box.) more later Regards, Bob S. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The k20D is here!
On Jul 9, 2009, at 8:39 PM, Jack Davis wrote: I don't even know what OS is.(?) You are apparently offended by something and if I can help you deal with it, please let me know. ;) OS = Operating System, like e.g. Windows. An operating system (commonly abbreviated to either OS or O/S) is an interface between hardware and user; an OS is responsible for the management and coordination of activities and the sharing of the resources of the computer. [...] This quote is taking from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system I you didn't offend me. Thomas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The k20D is here!
On Jul 9, 2009, at 8:59 PM, Adam Maas wrote: XP is fundamentally identical to Win2K. It was in many ways a reskinned version of Win2K with better DirectX support for gaming. It did evolve some differences with SP2 and later though. Is can be true or not, I have not much experiece with Win2K as I have with XP. I'm just saying that the way Microsoft went with XP, Vista and 7 userlandwise wrong. Instead of maintaining the old Win2K and NT look and one other look they should have developed one look wich can suite everyone, or is so subtle that no one really cares to change it. Of course there also technical reasons I don't like Windows, the registry for example. I always dreamed that tomorrow the files in which it is store get broke or got somehow corrupted. Because one software didn't really know how to change it. I guess most of the time the registry works but I don't feel good about it. Thomas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Monopod advice
J.C. O'Connell wrote: Ballheads may not be necessary. I have used monopods for years without them, even after I tried them. You can usually just tilt the whole rig for minor adjustments in pitch or roll. I shoot on very uneven ground a lot, and I find the ball head very helpful. Sometimes the terrain forces me to use the monopod at an angle, and the ball head let's me get the camera back near level ... then I just tilt the whole rig for fine tuning. But without the head, sometimes I'd be screwed. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D Blues
P. J. Alling wrote: However it's just sinking in how much I'm going to have to upgrade. I have the same problem with switching from SD television to HD television. After replacing the TV, I've got to recable, replace the A/V distribution gear, and even replace some furniture. So that US$ 800 TV will end up costing me several thousand. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I've got a hole in me arsenal
Bob Sullivan wrote: I'd love to own the DA*60-250/4, but I do think it is a bit specialized. I've got the old FA*80-200/2.8 and an old A20/2.8, so no DA's for me. Well, it might be a bit specialized for some people, but not for me. I think I've mentioned before that it seems to me that most of the vocal folks on this list spend most of their photographic lives on the wide angle end of the focal length spectrum, while I spend most of mine on the telephoto end. For me, the 60-250 would be perfect probably 80% of the time. With the 50-135 I'd often be looking for more reach. Hell, even the 60-250 doesn't have as much reach as I'd like, so the 300 and 400 fixed lenses wouldn't be going anywhere if I added the 60-250. And, unless it's stellar, neither would the FA* 200/2.8, which /is/ stellar. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I've got a hole in me arsenal
John Francis wrote: ITYM 250-600. The FA* one works just fine on the digital bodies :-) I'd give my eye teeth for one of those. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The k20D is here!
P. J. Alling wrote: Like I said, bleeding edge, I run closed machines usually behind a firewall that keeps everything out with up to date virus software. Most non Trojan attacks are through RPC type services, I turn those off and You need to be a little more careful than that. More and more attacks are coming through the browser, over port 80, as you browse reputable sites. On /any/ OS, you need to stay absolutely up to date on security patches. The threat landscape is evolving quickly. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Monopod advice
On Jul 9, 2009, at 14:20 , Doug Franklin wrote: J.C. O'Connell wrote: Ballheads may not be necessary. I have used monopods for years without them, even after I tried them. You can usually just tilt the whole rig for minor adjustments in pitch or roll. I shoot on very uneven ground a lot, and I find the ball head very helpful. Sometimes the terrain forces me to use the monopod at an angle, and the ball head let's me get the camera back near level ... then I just tilt the whole rig for fine tuning. But without the head, sometimes I'd be screwed. I use the Bogen/Manfrotto 222 Grip Action Ballhead - Supports 5.5 lbs (2.5kg) a pistol grip ball head which works fine for me with my 300mm ƒ2.8 (Tamron). Quick loose and quick set. (Used to be the #3265 - mine is anyway). I pick the monopod up, release the trigger, point the lens, let go of the trigger, plant the foot, fine tune. It has a built in quick release and comes with one Bogen plate. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Colors on the K20
When I got home from my roadtrip this weekend, I wrestled my pictures onto my iMac and had a few minutes before I passed out from exhaustion to look at a few of them. On several of them, I noticed that the colors seemed unnaturally vivid. A few almost look like the faux HDR shots that I've seen. I haven't shot a lot with this camera, almost half the shots that I've taken with it have been in the past week, so I'm not very used to what it produces. It is also very possible that I inadvertantly tweaked some default setting in Lightroom. I think that I've downloaded, but have not yet upgraded to 2.4, so lightroom should still be at 2.3. -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Monopod advice
with a monopod you still using your feet, the camera is in front of your feet, either the ground is level, higher or lower, in front of your feet, but that is just a simple height adjustment of the monopod leg. Like I said, I have used monopods for many yearsw without ballheads or any heads with no problems, I just tilt the whole shaft/rig for pitch or roll adjustments as needed. -- J.C. O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Home Page - www.jchriso.com Join the Audio CD PLAYER DISCUSSION list - http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdplayers/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Joseph McAllister Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 5:40 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Monopod advice On Jul 9, 2009, at 14:20 , Doug Franklin wrote: J.C. O'Connell wrote: Ballheads may not be necessary. I have used monopods for years without them, even after I tried them. You can usually just tilt the whole rig for minor adjustments in pitch or roll. I shoot on very uneven ground a lot, and I find the ball head very helpful. Sometimes the terrain forces me to use the monopod at an angle, and the ball head let's me get the camera back near level ... then I just tilt the whole rig for fine tuning. But without the head, sometimes I'd be screwed. I use the Bogen/Manfrotto 222 Grip Action Ballhead - Supports 5.5 lbs (2.5kg) a pistol grip ball head which works fine for me with my 300mm ƒ2.8 (Tamron). Quick loose and quick set. (Used to be the #3265 - mine is anyway). I pick the monopod up, release the trigger, point the lens, let go of the trigger, plant the foot, fine tune. It has a built in quick release and comes with one Bogen plate. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D Blues
Put the TV/Audio equipment in the house infrastructure column, and the CATV/SAT in the entertainment column. Never the twain shall meet! On Jul 9, 2009, at 15:13 , J.C. O'Connell wrote: The HDTV hardware is cheap, the service is what's costly. I spent only $2500 on my hdtv hardware stuff 5 years ago, but in the same 5 years I spent over $6000 on my CATV/SAT bills and those will continue on forever Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com “ It is still true, as was first said many years ago, that people are the only sophisticated computing devices that can be made at low cost by unskilled workers!” — Martin G. Wolf, PhD -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
K-7 hasn't arrived
...because I haven't ordered one. But the brown truck man dropped off a DA* 300mm f/4 today. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
