Re: Arrived in NC
On 2 June 2011 11:56, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Got in to Durham last night after about 13 hours of driving from Boston (a couple of construction delays but no major problems). Getting ready to set of for the mountains in a few minutes. http://www.robertstech.com/temp/ My video documentation of the trip went fairly well - learning about the video capabilities of the K5 isn't too tough - but I won't be able to put any on line for a while because my version of Adobe Premiere Pro (CS4) apparently doesn't have the codec necessary for dealing with the K5's video files. Unless I can download some kind of converter I'm going to be stuck using my little Flip Video camcorder for the time being. So let's get this straight - you've just admitted to the world on the premier video social networking site that you've been driving around the countryside while filming with a hand held camera. You've also told the world where you are. Hopefully the cops aren't monitoring it... Results are great though! (and it's really lovely countryside). Chris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Arrived in NC
-Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Chris Mitchell http://www.robertstech.com/temp/ So let's get this straight - you've just admitted to the world on the premier video social networking site that you've been driving around the countryside while filming with a hand held camera. You've also told the world where you are. Hopefully the cops aren't monitoring it... Don't worry, Chris. I forwarded it to them. What's that phrase they have down there? I bet you can squeal like a pig. W! B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Workflow Quandary
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Stan Halpin ... if I understand things correctly, if you batch process in Photoshop you end up with a second set of images (tiff or jpg) whereas in Lightroom you just get image adjustments embedded in the DNG or as a sidecar. Of course, it's entirely possible that I don't understand things correctly Brian I don't know that the technical details matter much as long as you stick with one system, but FWIW I think your characterization of LR is a bit off. My understanding is that image adjustments in LR are neither embedded in the DNG nor saved as a sidecar. Rather, this is an SQL-type system where information about an image, including any adjustments made, is maintained in fields in the data base. If you export a file for additional processing in Photoshop or other program, then a sidecar may need to be built to carry along the relevant image info, but it is not needed nor used within a LR-based workflow. What you see on the screen at any time is an on-the-fly JPEG rendition of your image as modified by everything you have done to that image within LR. The image is off wherever you put it, and all of the information about that image is within the LR database system. A thousand words: http://www.web-options.com/Lichtkammer.htm B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: A Hard, Merciless Light
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Stan Halpin An interesting article here for those comrades who are interested in the history of social documentary and reportage photography: http://www.foto8.com/new/online/blog/1424-worker-photography- movement B OK, a couple of glasses of wine later, I have read through the whole interview. Though I'll admit to skimming some portions. I am still not wild about the pretentious tone of the interviewee, but he is after all a museum curator so it may go with the territory. Muttering about style aside, I did find this quite an interesting look at a somewhat coherent photographic movement aiming to illustrate the class struggle articulated mostly by Communist thinkers. ...groups of amateur worker-photographers were exhorted to lay bare, in a 'hard and merciless light', the iniquities and social ills of capitalism... I am sorry he took a somewhat dismissive stance with respect to the U.S. depression-era works: ... the Lewis Hine-FSA-Life magazine paradigm, which involves a reformist social-democrat narrative of the role of documentary as a paternalistic depiction of the working class and the dispossessed. I cannot see how Dorothea Lange's photos are substantively different from those that illustrate the story, but I guess the point is not the images themselves, but rather the way in which the photographers and editors used those photos in shaping a social narrative. I think the main difference is that the workers are photographing themselves and their own situation, rather than being the passive subjects of someone else's regard. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Workflow Quandary
On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 08:56 +0100, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Stan Halpin I don't know that the technical details matter much as long as you stick with one system, but FWIW I think your characterization of LR is a bit off. My understanding is that image adjustments in LR are neither embedded in the DNG nor saved as a sidecar. Rather, this is an SQL-type system where information about an image, including any adjustments made, is maintained in fields in the data base. If you export a file for additional processing in Photoshop or other program, then a sidecar may need to be built to carry along the relevant image info, but it is not needed nor used within a LR-based workflow. What you see on the screen at any time is an on-the-fly JPEG rendition of your image as modified by everything you have done to that image within LR. The image is off wherever you put it, and all of the information about that image is within the LR database system. A thousand words: http://www.web-options.com/Lichtkammer.htm Ah - I see my problem. I've had a brain explosion. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - IMAP accessible web-mail -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Arrived in NC
On 3/6/11, Chris Mitchell, discombobulated, unleashed: So let's get this straight - you've just admitted to the world on the premier video social networking site that you've been driving around the countryside while filming with a hand held camera. You've also told the world where you are. Hopefully the cops aren't monitoring it... Haven't you seen the other video where he's surfing on top of the Prius steering with a camera strap lashed to the wheel?? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO Madonna and child
An interpretation of one of my photos I didn't see until a friend commented on it Mother and child http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5324644936/ -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Madonna and child
Neat. You could also call it growth has reached the ceiling or growth ceiling for short. Beautiful catch anyway. Thanks for sharing Ecke 2011/6/3 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com: An interpretation of one of my photos I didn't see until a friend commented on it Mother and child http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5324644936/ -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: paua slug
2011/6/2 Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com: Now, *there's* something only a mother could love. Might appeal to the French though: it's even wearing a little beret. :-) Nicely detailed, Alastair. Good macro. Good macro indeed. Maybe it is a member of the Brown Berets aka Slime Team Six =] -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Arrived in NC
Mark, It's Friday morning. I just checked the weather radar online. It's not raining at GFM. Something is terribly wrong. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Thu, 6/2/11, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: From: Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com Subject: Arrived in NC To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Thursday, June 2, 2011, 6:56 AM Got in to Durham last night after about 13 hours of driving from Boston (a couple of construction delays but no major problems). Getting ready to set of for the mountains in a few minutes. http://www.robertstech.com/temp/ My video documentation of the trip went fairly well - learning about the video capabilities of the K5 isn't too tough - but I won't be able to put any on line for a while because my version of Adobe Premiere Pro (CS4) apparently doesn't have the codec necessary for dealing with the K5's video files. Unless I can download some kind of converter I'm going to be stuck using my little Flip Video camcorder for the time being. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Arrived in NC
On 03/06/2011 09:31, Bob W wrote: -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Chris Mitchell http://www.robertstech.com/temp/ So let's get this straight - you've just admitted to the world on the premier video social networking site that you've been driving around the countryside while filming with a hand held camera. You've also told the world where you are. Hopefully the cops aren't monitoring it... Don't worry, Chris. I forwarded it to them. What's that phrase they have down there? I bet you can squeal like a pig. W! First you have to something with your purty mouth. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso Back yard 'shroom
On 03/06/2011 01:19, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 6:18 PM, mike wilsonm.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: Oh, right, that's because I run Adblock Plus, which I find to be far more effective than throwing a wining fit at the Internet. I find Bob to be more beericose than winy. Rye do you say that? Ciderknow. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Off to GFM
We'll be leaving in an hour or two for our annual trip to GFM. Looking forward to seeing old and new friends there. Bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso Back yard 'shroom
Oh, right, that's because I run Adblock Plus, which I find to be far more effective than throwing a wining fit at the Internet. I find Bob to be more beericose than winy. Rye do you say that? Ciderknow. Still wheating for a decent post in this thread. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Workflow Quandary
On Jun 2, 2011, at 22:20, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: If you're not used to this type of editing environment, it will seem strange to you at first, but once you've become accustomed to how it works, you'll wonder how you managed to get anything done before you started using it. ... ! A-freakin'-men, Godfrey. The disorientation for the first few weeks was like none other - but now I can hammer through 500+ RAW photos from last night's show in almost no time whatsoever. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Madonna and child
On 6/3/2011 12:42, Larry Colen wrote: An interpretation of one of my photos I didn't see until a friend commented on it Mother and child http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5324644936/ Larry, I am sorry but without disrespect or intent of offense, I should say that the title is way over the top... It is a fine photograph of two mushrooms with some yellow OOF object that begs to be dealt with. You chose focus point well and composition is spot on. But the title is, well, I can see where it is coming from, but yet I don't subscribe to the idea. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Off to GFM
Enjoy Dave On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Bill Owens wmbow...@gmail.com wrote: We'll be leaving in an hour or two for our annual trip to GFM. Looking forward to seeing old and new friends there. Bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso's More birds
So do I.:-) Dave On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 11:32 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: Great! I see a calendar at end of year! Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com To: Pentax Discuss pdml@pdml.net; Petch Dianne dianne.pe...@yahoo.com; Barbara Brooks bbaro...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 10:22 AM Subject: Peso's More birds Toe jam http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13283392 Flaps up http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13283413 Dave PS the LR 3 noise reduction works very well. Most of these shot with the k10D and D FA 50-200 were at ISO 1250 or higher. Dave again -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
On 02/06/2011 10:22 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: I played a bit with idea of geotagging. Obviously, like you say, Paul, there are reasonably good programs for cell phones (Android and IOS alike) that do just that - record your coordinates ever so often in a file that can be later cross-referenced with the time the photograph was taken for producing a reasonably accurate geo-coordinates for the image. Apparently, if you have an iPhone, it it almost constantly recording it's whereabouts (and generally it's owner's whereabouts) on an almost continuous basis. My understanding is that it also sends this information back to Apple periodically. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:35 AM, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, if you have an iPhone, it it almost constantly recording it's whereabouts (and generally it's owner's whereabouts) on an almost continuous basis. Every smartphone that has a GPS in it does this. It's how the applications on the phone know where you are. My understanding is that it also sends this information back to Apple periodically. Incorrect. -Mat -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Madonna and child
Fri Jun 3 10:03:29 EDT 2011 Boris Liberman wrote: On 6/3/2011 12:42, Larry Colen wrote: An interpretation of one of my photos I didn't see until a friend commented on it Mother and child http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5324644936/ Larry, I am sorry but without disrespect or intent of offense, I should say that the title is way over the top... It is a fine photograph of two mushrooms with some yellow OOF object that begs to be dealt with. You chose focus point well and composition is spot on. But the title is, well, I can see where it is coming from, but yet I don't subscribe to the idea. Boris Boris, Do you imply that the title may have been contrived after consuming the photo models? ;-) Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - Say Cheese!
Taken at Toronto's St. Lawrence Market last weekend: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/06/say-cheese.html Those damned photographers are everywhere these days... ;-) Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Lilacs in the Park
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 12:30 AM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: I can smell it from here. Love the smell of Lilacs. Ours are about gone. Ours are late this year - they're usually not still out in June, but here they're at about their peak just now. Thanks for looking and commenting, and thanks to Dave, too. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Fog Rolls In
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 12:29 AM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: Wow! I've never seen anything like that, Frank. Thanks for sharing. Yeah, I've never seen anything quite like it, either. Glad you enjoyed it, and thanks to everyone else who looked and commented. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT PESO - Untitled
G'day All, Another from the bodypainting shoot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/5793119953 Direct link http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3073/5793119953_fec50f72b8_o.jpg D700, AF-D 85mm f1.4, 1/125 @ f8, ISO 100. Singled gridded beauty dish. Enjoy, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
On 3 June 2011 22:37, Mat Maessen tomatoe...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:35 AM, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, if you have an iPhone, it it almost constantly recording it's whereabouts (and generally it's owner's whereabouts) on an almost continuous basis. Every smartphone that has a GPS in it does this. It's how the applications on the phone know where you are. My understanding is that it also sends this information back to Apple periodically. Incorrect. Yeah...it sends it to Microsoft. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
On 03/06/2011 8:37 AM, Mat Maessen wrote: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:35 AM, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, if you have an iPhone, it it almost constantly recording it's whereabouts (and generally it's owner's whereabouts) on an almost continuous basis. Every smartphone that has a GPS in it does this. It's how the applications on the phone know where you are. It's the recording it to a database that I find unsavoury. My understanding is that it also sends this information back to Apple periodically. Incorrect. http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-20057815-266.html?tag=topImage1 Last week, researchers discovered that the iPhone has been logging and storing location information on users for the past year. The information is stored in an unencrypted file on the iPhone and also is backed up in an unencrypted form on computers running iTunes. The data is also sent to Apple. They may have fixed it now that they've been caught. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Madonna and child
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/3/2011 12:42, Larry Colen wrote: An interpretation of one of my photos I didn't see until a friend commented on it Mother and child http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5324644936/ Larry, I am sorry but without disrespect or intent of offense, I should say that the title is way over the top... It is a fine photograph of two mushrooms with some yellow OOF object that begs to be dealt with. You chose focus point well and composition is spot on. But the title is, well, I can see where it is coming from, but yet I don't subscribe to the idea. The title doesn't bother me. Isn't there some species of mushroom that has a name close to Madonna? I just Googled madonna mushroom and nothing came up, so maybe I'm off-base there. In any event, Google Madonna; the first seven items have to do with the entertainer, and only two items on the first page don't pertain to her, those being a university and a hospital. The second Google page is all about the entertainer. So, I'm not sure who's being offended by cavalier use of the word Madonna? I think the title's fine, as it looks like the larger mushroom is protecting the other, much like the Blessed Mother protects her flock... (oops, better not go there) ;-) Seriously, a very nice photo. Well seen, well taken. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT PESO - Untitled
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:26 AM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote: G'day All, Another from the bodypainting shoot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/5793119953 Direct link http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3073/5793119953_fec50f72b8_o.jpg D700, AF-D 85mm f1.4, 1/125 @ f8, ISO 100. Singled gridded beauty dish. Very dramatic. The paint's getting crackly. Someone should be spraying her down to keep things moist... ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso's More birds
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:22 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Toe jam http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13283392 Flaps up http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13283413 Love the second one, especially. Are you getting model releases from these guys? ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso Back yard 'shroom
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 6:04 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: I have a few old pieces of wood up against some fences trying to keep the wild life out and the cats in. I think they have been there longer than i thought http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13299712 Lovely, delicate things. And I'm not talking about the ads. ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: paua slug
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 4:23 AM, Alastair Robertson kiwibiolog...@gmail.com wrote: We don't see these very often - it's called a paua slug but really it's a snail - somehow evolution forgot to scale up the shell appropriately! http://flic.kr/p/9PAhd7 K10D, FA100/2.8, AF360FGZ Metz mecablitz 58 AF-1 triggered wirelessly, F22, IS0100, on a monopod Glad you used a monopod. Very good shot. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Traffic Jam
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: Looking for my shot of the spire in Dublin (which is no great shot), I came across this image from my trip in 2005. One of my favorite moments of the whole week: http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2005/IMGP8384.jpg I still have a recording of what this sounded like as they all went past my car. Took about 5 minutes! (*ist-DS, 18-55 kit lens, shot in JPEG mode) ~Very~ cool shot! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Sutter Gate
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: What do you suppose...? http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=606 The dof's about perfect. I also like the slight haze between the sharp gate and the hills in the background - really snaps in the subject. Well rendered and composed. A very nice photo. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - You and Me
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: You and me I still cannot decided which one of the two or whether it should be a diptych: http://komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Mixed-2011/_IR30757.jpg http://komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Mixed-2011/_IR30769.jpg You comments, suggestions, and constructive critic are welcome! I dunno about a diptych - to me it's one or the other. I just don't know which one. Love the first one - when I looked at it I thought the second one couldn't top it. Then I looked at #2 and saw that look on her face - brilliant! Tough decision, glad I don't have to make it. They're both wonderful shots. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Peso: Sunbather
Not the best shot but it amused me: http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_NVzVH#1319925159_smjQQjR-O-LB -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO 2011 - 087-090 - GDG
A few snaps of a neat Nash Metropolitan seen on my walk yesterday ... http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/72157626875930896/show/ or http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/72157626875930896/ to get to the set slideshow or set top page. Thanks for looking! Comments always appreciated. Godfrey -- a photo blog: http://godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
On 2011-06-02 08:56 , Tim Bray wrote: The whole thing seems like it's addressing a very limited market; how many people here at PDML have any interest in a GPS on their camera? i am; i hope the street price is half that (and i don't have an applicable camera yet), but being able to map photos is very attractive; but then i am a geo nerd of sorts -- there are all sorts of things one can do with the info (the accurate timestamp would be welcome too) i've tried geotagging without a GPS, or using a separate logger; it's awkward enough that i've been mostly put off of it; an integrated system is the way to go -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
On 2011-06-03 09:32 , William Robb wrote: On 03/06/2011 8:37 AM, Mat Maessen wrote: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:35 AM, William Robb Apparently, if you have an iPhone, it it almost constantly recording it's whereabouts (and generally it's owner's whereabouts) on an almost continuous basis. Every smartphone that has a GPS in it does this. It's how the applications on the phone know where you are. It's the recording it to a database that I find unsavoury. it doesn't store the location of the phone, it caches the locations of cell towers and wifi signals; these are the data that make geolocation so much faster than with GPS alone for some reason iPhone stored a year's worth of data, and if you didn't encrypt your backups, you could extract it from your own backups (along with your all your other info) as i understand it, Android does something similar My understanding is that it also sends this information back to Apple periodically. Incorrect. [CNET:] [...] The data is also sent to Apple. They may have fixed it now that they've been caught. actual location data were never sent to Apple; the cell tower/wifi hotspot data has always been anonymized, and is still sent to Apple -- that's how the info is updated for everyone's benefit; what Apple fixed is that the data are not kept as long, are deleted when location services are turned off, and are encrypted even if you don't encrypt your own backups http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2011/04/27location_qa.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2011 - 087-090 - GDG
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi ramar...@mac.com wrote: A few snaps of a neat Nash Metropolitan seen on my walk yesterday ... http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/72157626875930896/show/ or http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/72157626875930896/ to get to the set slideshow or set top page. Thanks for looking! Comments always appreciated. Well, they don't make them like that anymore, eh? ;-) I like the set, especially the first one - beautifully composed! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2011 - 087-090 - GDG
On Jun 3, 2011, at 11:03, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: A few snaps of a neat Nash Metropolitan seen on my walk yesterday ... http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/72157626875930896/show/ or http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/72157626875930896/ Cute! I can't help but think of that little car that Mr. Incredible crams himself into in The Incredibles -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso: Sunbather
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Not the best shot but it amused me: http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_NVzVH#1319925159_smjQQjR-O-LB Wonderfully captured! Cats make sleeping an artform. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Off to GFM
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Bill Owens wmbow...@gmail.com wrote: We'll be leaving in an hour or two for our annual trip to GFM. Looking forward to seeing old and new friends there. *Sigh* Wish I could be there, Bill. You and Phyllis have a great time! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 10:37:24AM -0400, Mat Maessen wrote: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:35 AM, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, if you have an iPhone, it it almost constantly recording it's whereabouts (and generally it's owner's whereabouts) on an almost continuous basis. Every smartphone that has a GPS in it does this. It's how the applications on the phone know where you are. My understanding is that it also sends this information back to Apple periodically. Incorrect. -Mat No - he's correct. Didn't you see the big uproar about this? Apple turned this on as part of a software update. As a result of the details becoming public, they added a way for a user to turn off the location gathering, they truncated the amount of information kept on the phone, they stopped gathering the information when the phone was turned off, and they stopped copying that file to your computer when you synced with your iTunes library. But as far as I know they still send the information to Apple. Supposedly it gets anonymised first, but I don't know how effectively that gets done. Not that iPhones are unique in this kind of behaviour. That's valuable data (which cell towers, wireless networks, etc., are visible from a location). But, as Google also discovered, gathering that kind of information can be a risky business, unless you are scrupulously careful about how you do it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 10:33:23AM -0600, steve harley wrote: On 2011-06-03 09:32 , William Robb wrote: On 03/06/2011 8:37 AM, Mat Maessen wrote: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:35 AM, William Robb Apparently, if you have an iPhone, it it almost constantly recording it's whereabouts (and generally it's owner's whereabouts) on an almost continuous basis. Every smartphone that has a GPS in it does this. It's how the applications on the phone know where you are. It's the recording it to a database that I find unsavoury. it doesn't store the location of the phone, it caches the locations of cell towers and wifi signals; these are the data that make geolocation so much faster than with GPS alone Sophistry. Apple might not store the location of the phone, but the phone did (together with a timestamp). It was trivially easy to show where the phone had been during the previous days or weeks; all the news reports I saw showed an application doing exactly that. That's what people object to - unwittingly carrying a spy in their pocket. I wouldn't necessarily want my employer to know that I'd been on the same street (or even in the same town) as the head office of a major competitor; other people probably don't want their wife (or their parents) to know which part of town they've been visiting. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT PESO - Untitled
On 03/06/2011 17:26, David Savage wrote: G'day All, Another from the bodypainting shoot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/5793119953 Direct link http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3073/5793119953_fec50f72b8_o.jpg D700, AF-D 85mm f1.4, 1/125 @ f8, ISO 100. Singled gridded beauty dish. Enjoy, Dave Looks more like Artex to me. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2011 - 087-090 - GDG
Nicely captured. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi ramar...@mac.com Subject: PESO 2011 - 087-090 - GDG A few snaps of a neat Nash Metropolitan seen on my walk yesterday ... http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/72157626875930896/show/ or http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/72157626875930896/ to get to the set slideshow or set top page. Thanks for looking! Comments always appreciated. Godfrey -- a photo blog: http://godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
On 03/06/2011 11:02 AM, John Francis wrote: Sophistry. Apple might not store the location of the phone, but the phone did (together with a timestamp). It was trivially easy to show where the phone had been during the previous days or weeks; all the news reports I saw showed an application doing exactly that. That's what people object to - unwittingly carrying a spy in their pocket. I wouldn't necessarily want my employer to know that I'd been on the same street (or even in the same town) as the head office of a major competitor; other people probably don't want their wife (or their parents) to know which part of town they've been visiting. There was, when this topic was in the news, some concern that police were carrying devices that could download the contents of these devices, and were able to do so wirelessly. I don't know how much, if any, truth there is to this, but the thought of it is rather chilling. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT PESO - Untitled
For some reason this got me to thinking about how much I loved playing with finger-paints as a kid. Meanwhile, back at your photo, I think it is lovely! Beautiful lady, I like the lighting of her face. I think I would prefer to see this, though, without the distraction of the body paint. Maybe if she were wearing a simple round-neck black or dark blue blouse . . . As it is the lovely and dramatic face is fighting for attention with the body (paint). stan On Jun 3, 2011, at 11:26 AM, David Savage wrote: G'day All, Another from the bodypainting shoot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/5793119953 Direct link http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3073/5793119953_fec50f72b8_o.jpg D700, AF-D 85mm f1.4, 1/125 @ f8, ISO 100. Singled gridded beauty dish. Enjoy, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
On Jun 3, 2011, at 1:11 PM, William Robb wrote: On 03/06/2011 11:02 AM, John Francis wrote: That's what people object to - unwittingly carrying a spy in their pocket. I wouldn't necessarily want my employer to know that I'd been on the same street (or even in the same town) as the head office of a major competitor; other people probably don't want their wife (or their parents) to know which part of town they've been visiting. There was, when this topic was in the news, some concern that police were carrying devices that could download the contents of these devices, and were able to do so wirelessly. I don't know how much, if any, truth there is to this, but the thought of it is rather chilling. -- William Robb It could be useful though. A couple of years ago I was trying to get back into the U.S. Where are you coming from the custom official asks. New York, I says, I was there for a family reunion. How long have you been in Canada? she asks. Five and a half hours I reply. Three hours driving and 2.5 hours sitting here in line. Out of the car smart-ass she says. Open all of the doors and the back of your vehicle. Now if she could have read my phone's location database she would have known I was telling the simple truth and not being a smart-ass at all. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
All cell phones can be traced to the cell towers that they connect to by the wireless provider. Do you really think that Verizon or ATT aren't keeping records of which cell towers your phone is talking to, and the time/date? On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 1:02 PM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 10:33:23AM -0600, steve harley wrote: On 2011-06-03 09:32 , William Robb wrote: On 03/06/2011 8:37 AM, Mat Maessen wrote: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:35 AM, William Robb Apparently, if you have an iPhone, it it almost constantly recording it's whereabouts (and generally it's owner's whereabouts) on an almost continuous basis. Every smartphone that has a GPS in it does this. It's how the applications on the phone know where you are. It's the recording it to a database that I find unsavoury. it doesn't store the location of the phone, it caches the locations of cell towers and wifi signals; these are the data that make geolocation so much faster than with GPS alone Sophistry. Apple might not store the location of the phone, but the phone did (together with a timestamp). It was trivially easy to show where the phone had been during the previous days or weeks; all the news reports I saw showed an application doing exactly that. That's what people object to - unwittingly carrying a spy in their pocket. I wouldn't necessarily want my employer to know that I'd been on the same street (or even in the same town) as the head office of a major competitor; other people probably don't want their wife (or their parents) to know which part of town they've been visiting. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Say Cheese!
I'll bet someone was taking a pic of you at that moment. ;) Jack --- On Fri, 6/3/11, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: From: frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com Subject: PESO - Say Cheese! To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 8:19 AM Taken at Toronto's St. Lawrence Market last weekend: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/06/say-cheese.html Those damned photographers are everywhere these days... ;-) Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Sutter Gate
I came upon this gate, did a U-turn, found a spot to pull off the road, and actually set the AV to f/11 because I intended to shoot it at an angle. Your comments make the effort worth while, Frank. Thanks! Jack --- On Fri, 6/3/11, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: From: frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com Subject: Re: PESO: Sutter Gate To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 8:48 AM On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: What do you suppose...? http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=606 The dof's about perfect. I also like the slight haze between the sharp gate and the hills in the background - really snaps in the subject. Well rendered and composed. A very nice photo. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso's More birds
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:39 AM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:22 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Toe jam http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13283392 Flaps up http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13283413 Love the second one, especially. Are you getting model releases from these guys? Of course. Dave ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Say Cheese!
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: I'll bet someone was taking a pic of you at that moment. ;) I'll post that one soon.:-) I can think of several other titles for this one Frank, based on her expression. Dave Jack --- On Fri, 6/3/11, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: From: frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com Subject: PESO - Say Cheese! To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 8:19 AM Taken at Toronto's St. Lawrence Market last weekend: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/06/say-cheese.html Those damned photographers are everywhere these days... ;-) Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Madonna and child
On Jun 3, 2011, at 7:03 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 6/3/2011 12:42, Larry Colen wrote: An interpretation of one of my photos I didn't see until a friend commented on it Mother and child http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5324644936/ Larry, I am sorry but without disrespect or intent of offense, I should say that the title is way over the top... It is a fine photograph of two mushrooms with some yellow OOF object that begs to be dealt with. You chose focus point well and composition is spot on. But the title is, well, I can see where it is coming from, but yet I don't subscribe to the idea. The name of the photo was inspired by this facebook note about it: I'm usually not inclined toward sentimental motherly stuff, but this photo by Larry Colen just makes me go Awww! No disrespect was meant. Madonna and child is a commonly used title for mother and child pictures, granted, it's usually one particular mother, but madonna just means mother, doesn't it? Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Madonna and child
On Jun 3, 2011, at 8:36 AM, frank theriault wrote: Seriously, a very nice photo. Well seen, well taken. Thanks. A comment about the background prompted me to go back and have another look at the composition, and it turns out that I like the next photo in the series a lot better: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5324039975 Though with other things in the photo attracting attention, the motherly feel is diminished a lot. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
I played a bit with idea of geotagging. Obviously, like you say, Paul, there are reasonably good programs for cell phones (Android and IOS alike) that do just that - record your coordinates ever so often in a file that can be later cross-referenced with the time the photograph was taken for producing a reasonably accurate geo-coordinates for the image. Apparently, if you have an iPhone, it it almost constantly recording it's whereabouts (and generally it's owner's whereabouts) on an almost continuous basis. My understanding is that it also sends this information back to Apple periodically. it isn't just iPhones - they all do it. It's why al-Qaeda don't use cell phones - they tend to attract tomahawk missiles. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Arrived in NC
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Cotty On 3/6/11, Chris Mitchell, discombobulated, unleashed: So let's get this straight - you've just admitted to the world on the premier video social networking site that you've been driving around the countryside while filming with a hand held camera. You've also told the world where you are. Hopefully the cops aren't monitoring it... Haven't you seen the other video where he's surfing on top of the Prius steering with a camera strap lashed to the wheel?? ...and a bright red rose a-stickin' out of his hairy ass. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
It's the recording it to a database that I find unsavoury. it doesn't store the location of the phone, it caches the locations of cell towers and wifi signals; these are the data that make geolocation so much faster than with GPS alone Sophistry. Apple might not store the location of the phone, but the phone did (together with a timestamp). It was trivially easy to show where the phone had been during the previous days or weeks; all the news reports I saw showed an application doing exactly that. That's what people object to - unwittingly carrying a spy in their pocket. I wouldn't necessarily want my employer to know that I'd been on the same street (or even in the same town) as the head office of a major competitor; other people probably don't want their wife (or their parents) to know which part of town they've been visiting. you need some decent data protection laws over there. We're very hot on them over here, as you probably know, and we now have partner organisations based in the US who are having to host stuff in Europe because otherwise European clients won't deal with them because of the data protection issues you have there. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Madonna and child
The original meaning of my lady is now considered Archaic. I don't think it ever meant mother. Today, it means either the Virgin Mary or the singer who claimed to be Like Virgin. Dan On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: The name of the photo was inspired by this facebook note about it: I'm usually not inclined toward sentimental motherly stuff, but this photo by Larry Colen just makes me go Awww! No disrespect was meant. Madonna and child is a commonly used title for mother and child pictures, granted, it's usually one particular mother, but madonna just means mother, doesn't it? -- Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO Madonna and child
No disrespect was meant. Madonna and child is a commonly used title for mother and child pictures, granted, it's usually one particular mother, but madonna just means mother, doesn't it? madonna means 'my lady', as in Madonna (short form = Mona) Lisa. But a Madonna Child would always refer to the Blessed Virgin Mary and the Fruit of Her Womb. However, I don't see any reason for anyone to get upset about using the term to refer to the picture, after all mushrooms, toadstools and assorted fungi and sporey things are also creations of the Good Lord and deserving of his all-embracing love and the prayers of the faithful, and no doubt the Holy Mother in her merciful wisdom intercedes for them and other fruits of the forest floor just as she does for the descendants of tree-dwelling apes. I don't imagine Boris was upset about it. I interpreted his comment as thinking the title was just a bit overblown really. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Fog Rolls In
Frank, I liked the image in spite of the already mentioned blemishes. Also, the idea of flipping either the upper or the lower part of the image (left to right) came to my mind. Should be easy especially with a noisy original (markings will be easier to hide). Of course it may be an extreme case of manipulation. If you are against it by definition; no one can argue :) Still, the result can look even better than the present one (piece of land on one side, most of the cloud on the other). Bulent - http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/bulentcelasun 2011/6/1 frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com: I posted this on my colour photoblog last week, and because it's technically lacking (noise, purple fringing, etc.) I didn't post it on-list. However today I've changed my mind. Despite the technical limitations, I think it's a kind of cool pic. I saw this cloud rolling across the lake: http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/05/fog-rolls-in.html I thought it was moving right to left (that would be east) but about two minutes after I took this (and a few other) photos of it, it was over me, it was foggy and raining like hell. I put the camera away and went (ran) home. I just thought it as an interesting looking cloud, and still do. Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Arrived in NC
That was pretty good Mark. I have a very short attention span with video but I actually enjoyed that. You have a career as a narrator. On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Cotty On 3/6/11, Chris Mitchell, discombobulated, unleashed: So let's get this straight - you've just admitted to the world on the premier video social networking site that you've been driving around the countryside while filming with a hand held camera. You've also told the world where you are. Hopefully the cops aren't monitoring it... Haven't you seen the other video where he's surfing on top of the Prius steering with a camera strap lashed to the wheel?? ...and a bright red rose a-stickin' out of his hairy ass. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Off to GFM
Enjoy Bill. On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Bill Owens wmbow...@gmail.com wrote: We'll be leaving in an hour or two for our annual trip to GFM. Looking forward to seeing old and new friends there. Bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Say Cheese!
I hate the ing camera. Great catch. On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 1:43 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: I'll bet someone was taking a pic of you at that moment. ;) I'll post that one soon.:-) I can think of several other titles for this one Frank, based on her expression. Dave Jack --- On Fri, 6/3/11, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: From: frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com Subject: PESO - Say Cheese! To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 8:19 AM Taken at Toronto's St. Lawrence Market last weekend: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/06/say-cheese.html Those damned photographers are everywhere these days... ;-) Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Workflow Quandary
Ecke, Shouldn't the Zen Way be like this: I have a life, a work and a flow? Perhaps I missed the question but ;) Bulent - http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/bulentcelasun 2011/5/31 Ecke PDML overpenta...@googlemail.com: 2011/5/31 Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm: In summary - if you shoot RAW exclusively (or mainly), how do you manage the workflow and still have a life?? I chose the Zen way. I have neither a life nor a workflow. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I despise Sigma for discrimination
On Jun 2, 2011, at 3:39 PM, Cotty wrote: On 1/6/11, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: Sigma? Who cares? Mark!! For sum. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Good and bad filters
http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2011/06/good-times-with-bad-filters If you must use a filter, see why you should use a good quality one. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 01:27:58PM -0400, David Parsons wrote: All cell phones can be traced to the cell towers that they connect to by the wireless provider. Do you really think that Verizon or ATT aren't keeping records of which cell towers your phone is talking to, and the time/date? No. But AFAIK thy don't (and, in fact, can't) do that if the phone isn't transmitting - they don't know it is there. (Furthermore, getting that information from ATT or Verizon is quite a bit harder than simply downloading an unencrypted file from the phone.) One of the issues with the iPhone was that (according to some folks) it keeps track of which towers it can see, even if the phone is switched off. The question I can't answer is whether turning off the phone disables all wireless capability, or just the transmitter side. I'm pretty sure that transmit is turned off - the FAA would insist on that - but a passive receiver in standby mode isn't going to require a lot of power. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
Actually, every time you move from the footprint of one cell tower to another, the phone company *has* to know this, so they can know where to route incoming calls. So it is absolutely the case that your phone company knows where you are and where you've been. Here are a bunch of questions that I bet you don't know the answer to: - do they keep that info? - for how long? - if a law-enforcement agency calls up and asks for it, unofficially, no warrant, do they cough it up? - if a divorce lawyer calls and asks, can he/she get it? I'm a lot more worried about telephone companies than I am about mobile-industry players like Apple. -Tim On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 12:29 PM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 01:27:58PM -0400, David Parsons wrote: All cell phones can be traced to the cell towers that they connect to by the wireless provider. Do you really think that Verizon or ATT aren't keeping records of which cell towers your phone is talking to, and the time/date? No. But AFAIK thy don't (and, in fact, can't) do that if the phone isn't transmitting - they don't know it is there. (Furthermore, getting that information from ATT or Verizon is quite a bit harder than simply downloading an unencrypted file from the phone.) One of the issues with the iPhone was that (according to some folks) it keeps track of which towers it can see, even if the phone is switched off. The question I can't answer is whether turning off the phone disables all wireless capability, or just the transmitter side. I'm pretty sure that transmit is turned off - the FAA would insist on that - but a passive receiver in standby mode isn't going to require a lot of power. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT PESO - Untitled
Agreed On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: For some reason this got me to thinking about how much I loved playing with finger-paints as a kid. Meanwhile, back at your photo, I think it is lovely! Beautiful lady, I like the lighting of her face. I think I would prefer to see this, though, without the distraction of the body paint. Maybe if she were wearing a simple round-neck black or dark blue blouse . . . As it is the lovely and dramatic face is fighting for attention with the body (paint). stan On Jun 3, 2011, at 11:26 AM, David Savage wrote: G'day All, Another from the bodypainting shoot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/5793119953 Direct link http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3073/5793119953_fec50f72b8_o.jpg D700, AF-D 85mm f1.4, 1/125 @ f8, ISO 100. Singled gridded beauty dish. Enjoy, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 01:04:45PM -0700, Tim Bray wrote: Actually, every time you move from the footprint of one cell tower to another, the phone company *has* to know this, so they can know where to route incoming calls. But, again, only when I have the phone on. That's why it takes a measurable amount of time to get service (and even to find out what provider serves your area) at initial power on. When I turn the phone off, none of that communication is necessary. Note that I mean powered down as much as possible; I don't mean simply having hung up the phone so no calls are active. The phone company absolutely does not need to have this information until such time as I turn the phone on again - all calls get routed to voice mail (if applicable) until I choose to re-enable phone service. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Arrived in NC
[Default] On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 23:38:49 +0100, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: On 2/6/11, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: For now, I've done a clip taken whith my liffle standard def Flip Video camera. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gecVBPXegM8 BRILLIANT!!! Mark for God sake take the camera out of the car and film as you greet people etc - love watching it :) Missed most of sign-in today because I was preparing a presentation Doug and I are giving tonight. Sort of last minute thing. I got the entire drive up the Grandfather Mountain Road to Linville Peak. I may have that on ine tomorrow. I attached the video cam to my backpack harness and recorded my entire hike to Atic Window Peak yesterday. It'll take some time to edit it down to a tolerable length but I think it'll be pretty cool when done. I'll try to get some of tonight's proceedings on video. There are some significant events and changes afoot. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Arrived in NC
[Default] On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 07:58:53 +0100, Chris Mitchell chris.mitch...@which.net wrote: So let's get this straight - you've just admitted to the world on the premier video social networking site that you've been driving around the countryside while filming with a hand held camera. You've also told the world where you are. Hopefully the cops aren't monitoring it... Chris, this is North Carolina: If I'd been driving with a camera in one hand and a gun in the other it probably would have been legal. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
On 2011-06-03 11:11 , William Robb wrote: There was, when this topic was in the news, some concern that police were carrying devices that could download the contents of these devices, and were able to do so wirelessly. I don't know how much, if any, truth there is to this, but the thought of it is rather chilling. that's just conspiracy-mongering, but it doesn't mattery anyway: the FBI has access to everything, without a warrant or any notice to you; doesn't matter what OS your phone runs -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
On 2011-06-03 10:49 , John Francis wrote: On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 10:37:24AM -0400, Mat Maessen wrote: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:35 AM, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, if you have an iPhone, it it almost constantly recording it's whereabouts (and generally it's owner's whereabouts) on an almost continuous basis. Every smartphone that has a GPS in it does this. It's how the applications on the phone know where you are. My understanding is that it also sends this information back to Apple periodically. Incorrect. -Mat No - he's correct. William's statement was incorrect because it doesn't send the phone's location per se, it sends crowd-sourced, anonymized data to continuously update the hotspot/tower info, my which the reliability of the location system is maintained Didn't you see the big uproar about this? yes quite a tempest ... Apple turned this on as part of a software update. As a result of the details becoming public, they added a way for a user to turn off the location gathering, one could always turn off location gathering; the update now clears the location cache when location services is turned off they truncated the amount of information kept on the phone, they stopped gathering the information when the phone was turned off, no information is gathered when the phone is off -- off is really off and they stopped copying that file to your computer when you synced with your iTunes library. its still synced, it's just now encrypted whether you choose to encrypt your backups or not -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
On 2011-06-03 11:02 , John Francis wrote: Sophistry. Apple might not store the location of the phone, but the phone did (together with a timestamp). It was trivially easy to show where the phone had been during the previous days or weeks; all the news reports I saw showed an application doing exactly that. my rebuttal of specific points stands; the phone didn't store it's own location per se, but someone with access to the phone, or the backups if encryption were off, could extrapolate general whereabouts of the phone over time not sure what Android is doing to address the similar criticism of their location cache That's what people object to - unwittingly carrying a spy in their pocket. I wouldn't necessarily want my employer to know that I'd been on the same street (or even in the same town) as the head office of a major competitor; if your employer is probing your phone in such ways, you have bigger problems -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Just Dodged a Bullet
G'day all I just spent several enjoyable hours recovering from a near disaster, photographically speaking. My backup plan for the past few years has been to store all my photos on two external hard drives - No.1 is permanently attached to the computer and No.2 is kept off site (sort of - since I retired, a true off site solution is no longer practical). I back up to No.1 almost daily and to No.2 every couple of weeks. Anyway, drive No.1 has been flaky for a few months now but is still working. I haven't been too concerned because No.2 is up to date and I thought I'd get around to replacing No.1 when it finally carked. Unfortunately, when I connected No.2 last night - nothing. Not even a 'device not recognised message and no disk spinning sounds for the drive case. So there I was with all of my past 6 years of photo files on two drives, one of which could turn up its toes at any minute and another which had suddenly become inaccessible. Fortunately it didn't, so all of my image files are now 'safely' on a new external drive. The only downside is that I've got another few fun filled hours doing the same thing to a second new drive. Digital photography - bah!! However, this got me wondering what methods others use to backup their files.. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A no graphics, no pop-ups email service -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Workflow Quandary
On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 22:22 -0400, Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: On Jun 2, 2011, at 9:50 PM, Brian Walters wrote: ... if I understand things correctly, if you batch process in Photoshop you end up with a second set of images (tiff or jpg) whereas in Lightroom you just get image adjustments embedded in the DNG or as a sidecar. Of course, it's entirely possible that I don't understand things correctly Brian I don't know that the technical details matter much as long as you stick with one system, but FWIW I think your characterization of LR is a bit off. My understanding is that image adjustments in LR are neither embedded in the DNG nor saved as a sidecar. Rather, this is an SQL-type system where information about an image, including any adjustments made, is maintained in fields in the data base. If you export a file for additional processing in Photoshop or other program, then a sidecar may need to be built to carry along the relevant image info, but it is not needed nor used within a LR-based workflow. What you see on the screen at any time is an on-the-fly JPEG rendition of your image as modified by everything you have done to that image within LR. The image is off wherever you put it, and all of the information about that image is within the LR database system. Ah - thanks for that clarification. Adobe Camera Raw allows DNG files to store metadata and image settings directly in the DNG files so I assumed that Lightroom did the same. Actually, storing this data directly in the LR database is much the same approach that Studioline uses. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Choose from over 50 domains or use your own -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Workflow Quandary
On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 20:20 -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 8:09 PM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: The changes are actually embedded into the LightRoom database. You can choose to have changes put into sidecar files or into the DNG files but you can also have the original files be completely left alone (like, when you point to a read-only copy of your RAW file which is on a DVD-ROM or something... you can still make the changes because you're just storing - in LR's database - a list of instructions for what to do to this RAW file to make it come out like this when printed/uploaded/whatever) To expand a little on what Charles wrote: The changes, adjustments, etc that you make are instructions stored in the Lightroom catalog (database). The parameters for these adjustments can be written to the original image files (embedded into DNGs, PSDs, JPEGs, TIFFs, or written into .XMP sidecar files for native raw format originals) if you so desire, it's not necessary. Lightroom dynamically builds JPEG previews for use while you're editing the image files so you can see what the adjustment you make are doing. When you're done editing an image, you export the completed work as a new image file ... in JPEG, TIFF or PSD format ... for use in other applications (for web display, printing, incorporation as part of a book or page layout, to send to clients, etc). These exported images have realized all the edits you made into actual pixel values. You can also export a DNG file (raw file with embedded Lightroom processing instructions) if that suits your workflow best. Usually you do this to share with other applications in the Adobe Creative Suite for further processing or if a client requires a DNG raw file. I make it a policy to always export finished work at least as a full resolution, 16bit TIFF file in ProPhoto RGB color space for my archives. I also output JPEG files of finished work for display on my website locations and on my computer/pod/pad devices. I agree it is a good idea to download and work with Lightroom for a while before buying. I also suggest strongly that you obtain one of the several video tutorials and go through it, step by step, so that you fully understand the application before making a purchase decision. If you're not used to this type of editing environment, it will seem strange to you at first, but once you've become accustomed to how it works, you'll wonder how you managed to get anything done before you started using it. ... ! Thanks for that detailed explanation Godfrey. So Lightroom can behave much the same as ACR regarding how image editing info is stored but I see the advantages of storing that data directly in the LR database. I tried the original Lightroom beta when it was first released some years ago and decided then that it wasn't for me. I'd already been working within Studioline at that stage and I found the Lightroom 'way' confusing. Time to take another look Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - One of many happy users: http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/quotes.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Workflow Quandary
On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 22:58 -0400, Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: My process is as follows: 1. put the card in the computer 2. start Lightroom 3. click the Import button A bunch of other stuff 12. send an amusing email with links to the PDML Takes no time at all. Here's mine. 1. put the card in the computer 2. start Picasa 3. click I'm feeling lucky 4. delete the damn photo 5. wonder why I bother That workflow has a lot to recommend it Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ __o _'\,_ (*)/ (*) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Does exactly what it says on the tin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Arrived in NC
On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 15:00 -0400, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: That was pretty good Mark. I have a very short attention span with video but I actually enjoyed that. You have a career as a narrator. There was narration? Damn - I need to keep my PC's speakers switched on. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Cotty On 3/6/11, Chris Mitchell, discombobulated, unleashed: So let's get this straight - you've just admitted to the world on the premier video social networking site that you've been driving around the countryside while filming with a hand held camera. You've also told the world where you are. Hopefully the cops aren't monitoring it... Haven't you seen the other video where he's surfing on top of the Prius steering with a camera strap lashed to the wheel?? ...and a bright red rose a-stickin' out of his hairy ass. -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Faster than the air-speed velocity of an unladen european swallow -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
On 4 June 2011 00:37, Mat Maessen tomatoe...@gmail.com wrote: Every smartphone that has a GPS in it does this. It's how the applications on the phone know where you are. My understanding is that it also sends this information back to Apple periodically. Incorrect. As others have already stated if the radio is on the telco service providers will know where the phone has been, however the GPS units in phone can be literally turned off (in the case of all the Android phones I've used) and there is (at least in Andriod 2.2 O/S) the option to control the Use wireless networks for location in the settings, enabling it invokes a agree/disagree consent notice. If the phone is off there remains no provision for internal or external tracking, and on my phone it also had an Airplane mode in the wireless settings which disables all wireless settings, on existing this mode the service providers SIM (if locked) requires unlocking. I can however still enable GPS and create a tracking file on the device when in Airplane mode if required. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
On 03/06/2011 2:04 PM, Tim Bray wrote: Actually, every time you move from the footprint of one cell tower to another, the phone company *has* to know this, so they can know where to route incoming calls. So it is absolutely the case that your phone company knows where you are and where you've been. Here are a bunch of questions that I bet you don't know the answer to: - do they keep that info? - for how long? - if a law-enforcement agency calls up and asks for it, unofficially, no warrant, do they cough it up? - if a divorce lawyer calls and asks, can he/she get it? I'm a lot more worried about telephone companies than I am about mobile-industry players like Apple. -Tim I'm not so worried about it in Canada, the CRTC and the Privacy Act seem to have most, if not all, of the bases covered. I did just discover that SGI hands over data to the War Amps to facilitate their solicitation attempts. I suspect that will get shut down though, as there is being a bit of a hue and cry about SGI breaking the privacy rules. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
On 03/06/2011 3:48 PM, steve harley wrote: that's just conspiracy-mongering, but it doesn't mattery anyway: the FBI has access to everything, without a warrant or any notice to you; doesn't matter what OS your phone runs I would hope that the FBI has very little access to anything to do with me without a warrant, and perhaps Interpol getting involved. Although I sometimes write like you, I am not of your people. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Workflow Quandary
On Tue, 31 May 2011 17:47 -0600, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: On 2011-05-30 16:51 , Brian Walters wrote: If so, isn't this just handing over the image processing function to software? Do you go back and 'tweak' the images? this is a funny question -- perhaps you don't realize that if you shoot JPEG, you are *absolutely* handing over the image processing function to software (in the camera) and unlike RAW, you can never go back to the master No - I understand that. What I meant was, if you batch process a lot of files, is there any real difference to allowing Photoshop to process the files rather than letting the camera's software do it. But yes, I also see the point that you can go back to the original unprocessed file if you shoot RAW, while with JPG you have what you have. Thanks for the feedback Steve. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ but no, i don't choose to do major processing at import time (though it is possible) and yes i then go through and individually tweak the rendering on every image that interests me; it doesn't take long on the first pass -- it's non-destructive, so i just do rough adjustments to see the image's potential; i can easily refine it or do multiple versions later in this first pass i also nix a lot of duds (9 in Aperture), and do basic batch and individual tagging and 1 (one star) everything i want to give a careful look; later i filter to view only images with one star and above (a virtual method of culling images) or Do you look at the JPG previews to decide which images are the 'Hero Images' (as the late Bruce Fraser called them) and restrict RAW conversion to those? i don't do this, but it i do occasionally preview DNG images with Quicklook (so a JPEG is not necessary); i do this when i need to quickly extract one or a few images from a batch (usually to send someone or post to a website) If you batch convert the lot, do you convert to a lossless format (TIFF or PSD)? There doesn't seem to be much point in converting to JPG - you could do that in camera. i do no conversion per se until i export an image (and i export relatively few); what format i export depends on the purpose, but it's usually JPEG, sometimes TIFF or PSD Do you archive your 'second string' images as RAW, or do you convert to JPG and ditch the originals? i automatically archive everything as DNG into both master and backup locations (space is cheap) What's the advantages of shooting RAW + JPG? imo, very few unless you often need rapid access to JPEGs; i shot RAW+JPEG for a while until i realized i was never using the JPEG and my imports took longer In summary - if you shoot RAW exclusively (or mainly), how do you manage the workflow and still have a life?? it's much easier than you suggest; it does take some up-front decision making and some practice; it's also worth giving one's workflow a critical review now and then using a tool like Aperture or Lightroom makes such a workflow much more efficient, and offers many other benefits, but it can be done without aids if you are very disciplined -- -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - One of many happy users: http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/quotes.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Just Dodged a Bullet
On 03/06/2011 5:12 PM, Brian Walters wrote: However, this got me wondering what methods others use to backup their files.. I use a Drobo. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
On 03/06/2011 5:42 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: however the GPS units in phone can be literally turned off Sask Tel's GPS service can usually place my phone within 2200 meters of where I actually am. Worst GPS service ever. When Tom and I were hanging out in Chicago last year, he would tell his Android where he wanted to go and it would draw him a map. About the best I can get is if I want to go to Manitoba it will point me towards the east, but I'd better be able to find my own road. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Research on what makes an image memorable
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Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
On Jun 3, 2011, at 7:51 PM, William Robb wrote: On 03/06/2011 5:42 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: however the GPS units in phone can be literally turned off Sask Tel's GPS service can usually place my phone within 2200 meters of where I actually am. Worst GPS service ever. When Tom and I were hanging out in Chicago last year, he would tell his Android where he wanted to go and it would draw him a map. About the best I can get is if I want to go to Manitoba it will point me towards the east, but I'd better be able to find my own road. William Robb You have roads up there? stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Workflow Quandary
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote: No - I understand that. What I meant was, if you batch process a lot of files, is there any real difference to allowing Photoshop to process the files rather than letting the camera's software do it. I'd take LR3's noise reduction and sharpening over the camera's built-in implementation, for one thing. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
On 2011-06-03 17:45 , William Robb wrote: On 03/06/2011 3:48 PM, steve harley wrote: that's just conspiracy-mongering, but it doesn't mattery anyway: the FBI has access to everything, without a warrant or any notice to you; doesn't matter what OS your phone runs I would hope that the FBI has very little access to anything to do with me without a warrant, and perhaps Interpol getting involved. Although I sometimes write like you, I am not of your people. okay, if by my people you mean the US, you're right -- but the CIA is probably onto you for writing like me -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Workflow Quandary
On 2011-06-03 17:47 , Brian Walters wrote: On Tue, 31 May 2011 17:47 -0600, steve harleyp...@paper-ape.com this is a funny question -- perhaps you don't realize that if you shoot JPEG, you are *absolutely* handing over the image processing function to software (in the camera) and unlike RAW, you can never go back to the master No - I understand that. What I meant was, if you batch process a lot of files, is there any real difference to allowing Photoshop to process the files rather than letting the camera's software do it. not sure how Photoshop got mixed in here -- i thought we were talking about batch processing as an aspect of importing into Lightroom or Aperture but in any case the in-camera processing is generally a set of specific presets with few variable settings, and is provided for a market that's generally not as quality-conscious as Photoshop's market; it's also constrained by a chipset that's much less powerful than most computers; by contrast in Photoshop you have more power, several orders of magnitude more options on the processing, and formats that are non-lossy and have much wider dynamic range than 8-bit JPEGs -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A Hard, Merciless Light
On Jun 3, 2011, at 4:03 AM, Bob W wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Stan Halpin I cannot see how Dorothea Lange's photos are substantively different from those that illustrate the story, but I guess the point is not the images themselves, but rather the way in which the photographers and editors used those photos in shaping a social narrative. I think the main difference is that the workers are photographing themselves and their own situation, rather than being the passive subjects of someone else's regard. B OK Bob, I can see that. And it raises a large handful of philosophical and/or practical issues about photography. E.g., I wonder if we should accept the assumption that a participant is more likely to recognize key elements of their condition (suffering, poverty, hard work, old age, whatever) and thus is more likely to capture that in an image than an outsider. Or whether an amateur with no preconceptions about art and composition is more likely than a professional to capture good images. There is almost an 18th century argument that the pure natural state is better than the educated/developed one. So yes, I can see how the interviewee might distinguish the work from e.g. Lange's based on process and method. But looking at the images and the stories they tell, none of that really matters to the viewer, and I would prefer the emphasis were on how different approaches lead to similar outcomes. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Arrived in NC
On Jun 3, 2011, at 5:47 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: [Default] On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 07:58:53 +0100, Chris Mitchell chris.mitch...@which.net wrote: So let's get this straight - you've just admitted to the world on the premier video social networking site that you've been driving around the countryside while filming with a hand held camera. You've also told the world where you are. Hopefully the cops aren't monitoring it... Chris, this is North Carolina: If I'd been driving with a camera in one hand and a gun in the other it probably would have been legal. A gun in one hand and a beer in the other would be ok. But a camera? And you are not driving a pickup? They would recognize you for a troublemaker a mile away. Better keep a low profile . . . stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Just Dodged a Bullet
On Jun 3, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Brian Walters wrote: G'day all I just spent several enjoyable hours recovering from a near disaster, photographically speaking. My backup plan for the past few years has been to store all my photos on two external hard drives - No.1 is permanently attached to the computer and No.2 is kept off site (sort of - since I retired, a true off site solution is no longer practical). I back up to No.1 almost daily and to No.2 every couple of weeks. Anyway, drive No.1 has been flaky for a few months now but is still working. I haven't been too concerned because No.2 is up to date and I thought I'd get around to replacing No.1 when it finally carked. Unfortunately, when I connected No.2 last night - nothing. Not even a 'device not recognised message and no disk spinning sounds for the drive case. So there I was with all of my past 6 years of photo files on two drives, one of which could turn up its toes at any minute and another which had suddenly become inaccessible. Fortunately it didn't, so all of my image files are now 'safely' on a new external drive. The only downside is that I've got another few fun filled hours doing the same thing to a second new drive. Digital photography - bah!! However, this got me wondering what methods others use to backup their files.. I employ nine external hard drives on my desktop computer, plus a laptop and one external drive for that machine. The laptop's external drive is hooked up only for backups. . Photos that are important to me are on at least three drives. Some snapshots are on only two drives. All are on site. I work at a home office and backing up at another site would be a major hassle. My desktop startup drive is backed up regularly to a second drive by Apple's Time Machine. My copy documents, which are my main stock in trade, are on the desktop startup drive, the time machine backup, and on the hard drive of my laptop. Paul Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A no graphics, no pop-ups email service -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
On 03/06/2011 6:11 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: You have roads up there? stan One of our main roads: http://www.pbase.com/klatuu/image/108149432 This one is in pretty good shape for around here: http://www.pbase.com/klatuu/image/112608619 -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
On 03/06/2011 6:26 PM, steve harley wrote: okay, if by my people you mean the US, you're right -- but the CIA is probably onto you for writing like me True story: I was sent to the local casino a few years back to photograph the interior of one of the (very large) rooms. There was some sort of card tournament going on that had attracted a lot of people, and my job was to get an overview shot of the room. I had checked in with my contact at the casino, and had been given both a place to shoot from and a window of opportunity to get what I needed. And left to myself. So, there I was, with my Pentax 6x7 (this is now on topic, right?) on a tripod in the designated area, and the time to shoot is now. And a security goon gets in my face and points vaguely off at someone of the hundreds of people down there and said that she was a CIA agent and she didn't want to be photographed. It was quite surreal. Anyway, I told him to shove off, I really didn't believe him, and even if I did, it wasn't my business to give a damn about foreign spies, check with the person I had been told to check in with (the head of security, it turned out) about what I was doing and when I was allowed to do it, and suggested that if anyone on the floor didn't want to be in pictures, now was a good time to go to the bathroom. And that I now had 5 minutes to do what I was being paid to do and he could get the hell out of my way, and go do whatever he was supposed to be doing now that it was determined that hassling me wasn't going to get him any gold stars. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Workflow Quandary
On 03/06/2011 6:46 PM, steve harley wrote: not sure how Photoshop got mixed in here -- i thought we were talking about batch processing as an aspect of importing into Lightroom or Aperture If nothing else, Photoshop does a very good job of batch processing. In reality, it does exactly the same thing as Lightroom in this regard, only somewhat more directly. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
